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  • Anonymous

    Great news!   With the race this close, this injection of cash should help get out the pro-marriage message and make a difference in the outcome.

    • Anonymous

      To late the ship has sailed, it will be legal after Nov. 6

      • ptkitty

        The “SS Gay Marriage” never got out of port.   It is still anchored in  Immorality.

        • Anonymous

          Awhhh, aren’t you just a clever little wordsmith, completely wrong but clever.

        • Alec Cunningham

          hahah…funny!

        • Anonymous

          So are you saying you think it is immoral, therefore you want everybody to be tied to your beliefs?  Don’t count on that happening, there are many people who don’t buy into that premise.  It is like saying the drinking of liquor is immoral therefore lets make it illegal, birth control is immoral lets make it illegal where do you stop?
          SS marriage will hurt no one so let it go.

          • Anonymous

            I totally agree. I lived in Massachusetts when same sex marriage was legalized and it had zero effect on heterosexual marriage.  I believe people should live according to their own religious and moral beliefs, but also that they have NO right to impose their belief system on others.

          • Anonymous

            That gang is already trying their best to ruin birth control.Remember all the fuss about RU-486?
            They won’t stop until they die off or we bankrupt them.I don’t care which happens as long as one does.

        • Anonymous

          The people seeking civil marriage are not immoral, they are blessed enough to find someone to share this life with in support and commitment.

      • Tedlick Badkey

        You have far more faith in the knuckle-dragging mouth-breathers so rampant in America.

        Their hard-ons for seeing people harmed is just too pleasing for them… they will vote it down again.

        • Anonymous

          I sure hope you are wrong, have faith there are a lot of compassionate people that believe it is time to let them enjoy what the rest of us do.

          • Tedlick Badkey

            My apologies…

            I have to admit that I’ve become very cynical and pessimistic on this issue. I see so much blind, uneducated and misinformed rage… followed by joy when law-abiding citizens are harmed by the sheer force of will of those who wish to see them harmed.

            It’s sad… so very painfully sad.

          • Anonymous

            I am sorry you are allowing the acid to harm the vessel.I agree with VH-there are a lot of decent people supporting SSM who aren’t vocal about it.Education always trumps religion and since ME is already the  least religious state we will soon be able to wave our flag proudly.I will try to donate to MUM for the fourth time.Many good thoughts your way.

          • Tedlick Badkey

            All the bliss of life for you and yours…

    • Anonymous

      I think it is a shame that you applaud a group that broke the law in 2009 by not releasing donor names, sued the state to prevent the release of names, has lost at every turn in federal court, continues to be in violation of the law and has cost the Maine taxpayer hundreds of thousands of dollars in needless attorney fees and court costs.

      They broke the law dirigodad and continue to break the law. Why should they have ANY say in what happens here in Maine?

      • Anonymous

        Not only has NOM broken and continuing to break the law but the really telling thing is the lack of local support for the anti-SSM people. If the anti-SSM people have only raised between $100,000-$200,000 it certainly doesn’t look like Maine people are that charged up about the entire thing.

        • Anonymous

          NOM is challenging the law in court. Aren’t homosexuals doing the same thing?

          • Anonymous

            Gays, haven’t broken any law, they are fight for civil rights. NOM is fighting against civil rights, whilest breaking the law to do it.

          • Anonymous

            Gays have civil rights just like anyone else: Same sex couples have registered their wedding ceremonies with the state and received certified copies licensing that union since 2004.
            A license is a permit where you must be registered with the state to have a wedding ceremony and join together in legal matrimony to get benefits.
            The word “register” means an official record with the state.
            Same sex couples have been able to join together in legal matrimony in Maine for 8 years with the same rights and benefits as everyone else such as inheriting their spouses property, adopt children, considered next of kin when making funeral arrangements, serve as guardian or conservator of spouses property if their spouse becomes incapacitated, visit their spouse in the hospital, purchase health insurance for their spouse if that employer provides benefits, take up to ten weeks of unpaid leave if their spouse or child is sick or dying and submit to a town clerk their spouses absentee ballot to vote.
            Clearly, same sex couples already get licenses despite political rhetoric.

          • This Charming Man

            Repeating over and over again that licensure makes something cease to be a right doesn’t make it true, it just makes you a liar.

          • Anonymous

            Nope! We sure don’t!

            We cannot even STATE TAXES jointly under domestic partnerships. It’s clearly not the same thing.

          • Anonymous

             This repetition is really getting boring.  This is a red herring that you keep throwing out.  Try coming up with something more relevant!

          • Anonymous

            It is a Declaration of Domestic Partnership with a check for $50 dollars sent to the state.  There is no certified license involved.  There is no license involved. There is no ceremony involved.  It is not legal matrimony. To have a legal marriage, a Civil Marriage License must be obtained and filed.  It does not allow the same rights as civil marriage for either opposite-sex couples or same-sex couples who file the Declaration. 

          • Alec Cunningham

            What!??!  It costs MORE than a marriage license???

          • Anonymous

            Yeah …. funny isn’t it ….. less rights for more money.  No wonder it is not popular for any couple.  Notice also that neither Erick nor Yankee mentions that the DPR is available to opposite-sex couples …. see then the whole legal matrimony stuff flies out the window.  An opposite-sex couple can terminate their registered partnership by …… wait for it ….. getting married!

          • Alec Cunningham

            No.  We comply with campaign finance laws.

          • Anonymous

            Great point, cp.  For years, homosexual acts were prohibited by law, yet the gays kept right on pursuing their unhealthy lifestyle, despite the fact that their actions were against the law.   The protestations of jd, 4rmer, searoses et al do smack of hypocrisy, do they not?

          • Anonymous

            Ignorance of the issues. When homosexuality was criminalized it was never truly legal. It was the law, but those laws weren’t constitutional. 

            Campaign disclosure laws are constitutional on the other hand. 

          • Anonymous

            LOL…those laws were legal and Constitutional until they were declared unConstitutional.   Just like campaign disclosure laws are legal and Constitutional until some judge declares them otherwise.

            Keep grasping at straws, though.  It’s fun to watch! 

          • Anonymous

            Keep your LOLs to yourself, you’re wrong. Only federal courts can make the determination if something is constitutional or not. A law isn’t automatically constitutional until otherwise. If we passed a law today banning free speech, the SJC would determine that the law isn’t constitutional. That doesn’t mean that while it was in place it was constitutional — obviously. 

            Don’t let your blind hatred cloud your judgment. I’m not grasping at anything — you are. 

          • Anonymous

            Nope, no hypocrisy.  That comes from your side.  And those archaic, even illegal laws you cited, good riddance.

          • Anonymous

            You and wolf are a laugh a minute.  Laws that were legal, Constitutional and in place for decades, if not centuries continually being broken and yet your attitude is “nothing to see here.”   Yet NOM refuses to reveal its donors because of what happened with CA Prop 8 and the backlash by the radical LGBT crowd and you’re all in a tizzy.    

            Gotta get me some popcorn as I await your knee-jerk response.

          • Anonymous

            For years black people did not have any rights and were considered under the law to be property. Women were not allowed to vote. At one point only landowners were allowed to vote. Interracial marriage was against the law. All of those laws were either changed or repealed. I fail to see how it is hypocritical to advocate for equal rights for all Americans. Of course I am sure in your little world freedom for all is just something you talk about but do not practice.

          • Anonymous

            And what specifically have I been “hypocritical” about dirigodad

            NOM has refused to comply with state law. The broke the law by not providing the names of donors as required by law. They have sued the state to keep those names secret and have lost at every turn.

            Homosexuals have broken no laws. Not one gay or lesbian person has been issued a marriage license by any authority in the state of Maine. When the legislature passed the law several years ago and the Governor signed it into law it was repealed by popular vote which was legal under the Maine Constitution.

            Now we are voting on establishing the law after proponents gathered enough signatures to place it on the ballot in November. Also done within the law and in compliance with the Maine Constitution. 

            The laws you are referring to were anti-sodomy laws…Maybe you don’t understand what sodomy is and that it is practiced by both heterosexual and homosexuals alike.

          • Anonymous

            Heterosexuals pursue unhealthy life styles also. sodomy was against the law for all, not just homosexuals. Heterosexuals, are the ones who fought to over turn the sodomy laws.
            I know you’d like to have all those icky gays, mouthy women folk , and others you are afraid of just go way. Mean while this mouthy, female, heterosexual, is going to keep talking, typing , doing what I can to fight for civil rights, for my gay friends and family!

          • Anonymous

            Gays already have the same civil rights as anyone else so give it a rest!

            Same sex couples have registered their wedding ceremonies with the state and received certified copies licensing that union since 2004.
            A license is a permit where you must be registered with the state to have a wedding ceremony and join together in legal matrimony to get benefits.The word “register” means an official record with the state.Same sex couples have been able to join together in legal matrimony in Maine for 8 years with the same rights and benefits as everyone else such as inheriting their spouses property, adopt children, considered next of kin when making funeral arrangements, serve as guardian or conservator of spouses property if their spouse becomes incapacitated, visit their spouse in the hospital, purchase health insurance for their spouse if that employer provides benefits, take up to ten weeks of unpaid leave if their spouse or child is sick or dying and submit to a town clerk their spouses absentee ballot to vote.Clearly, same sex couples already get licenses despite political rhetoric.

          • Anonymous

            You’re a lier.

            Domestic partnerhips in Maine are inferior to civil marriage. They cost more to license, you cannot file taxes jointly, and it’s not recognized as civil marriage anywhere else in this nation.

          • Anonymous

            There;s not a word of truth in your post

          • Anonymous

             APPLAUSE!Those in your life are lucky to have you.I’m a heterosexual male who avidly supports women’s rights and gay rights.I’m happy to do what I can to help and love seeing your posts.

          • Anonymous

            Great point dirigodad.  For years, certain sexual acts were prohibited by law for both married and single heterosexuals as well as homosexuals, yet the straights kept right on pursuing those sexual acts despite the fact their actions were against the law.  Most states changed their laws to exclude punishment for heterosexuals engaging in those acts (the married ones first, then for the single heterosexuals ) ….. but they kept those acts criminally punishable for gays and lesbians.  That in of itself was hypocrisy.  Then in 2003, the Supreme Court ruled those laws unconstitutional regardless of orientation.

          • Anonymous

            And NOM has lost at every turn.

          • Tedlick Badkey

            NOM are criminals, little PP.

            Don’t forget that.

          • Anonymous

             Doesn’t matter …… they are on cp’s side of the argument … well what they think is an argument as we all know it does not stand up in a court of law.

        • Anonymous

           Maine people are frugal and don’t believe in wasting hard earned money on things they already have. They voted down SSM before and they know that it will be voted down again.

          • Anonymous

            What does frugality have to do with it?  More like NOM money will be wasted (and that’s not Maine money). 

          • Anonymous

             The problem is they have vast sums and can fight for a while even though it’s only a small number of people.They’re terrified of being boycotted so that is why they try so hard to hide.They must know they’re wrong to have to skulk around like snakes.

      • Anonymous

        And I think it’s a shame that you as a homosexual activist spend so much of your time promoting immorality. I’m voting to protect the God ordained institute of marriage between one man and one woman. It’s a beautiful thing. Homosexuality on the other hand is nothing more than a sexual perversion. God won’t be mocked by activists such as yourself, He promises that.

        • Anonymous

          “God ordained institute of marriage” ….. are you and will you be partaking of all the benefits, rights etc that the state and federal government(s) provide you and your spouse that are not related to the “God ordained” part?  Will you be “divorcing” yourself from state and federal recognition of your Civil Marriage License?  Are you sharing your “God ordained” marriage with the US government?  Why?  Take a stand for what you truly believe cp444 …. get the government out of your “God ordained” marriage.

          • Anonymous

            Geez …… no answer …. guess that means you don’t want the government out of your marriage?  Think about this … you are married to your spouse, your god and the government … a human, a deity and a collective body of people (ie an istritution).

        • Anonymous

          Well actually God Ordained marriage between one man and sometimes many women. please get your facts right, God Ordained more then just marriage between one man and one women. 

        • Anonymous

          You do love to apply labels to people. Call me what you want but I am a person that believes marriage is a civil contract issued by the state.

          • Anonymous

            Gosh jd just think you and I are now considered activist simply because we have read the Constitution and believe in equal rights for all. Frankly the argument that God doesn’t believe in equal rights for everyone of his children is getting really stale.

          • Anonymous

            Just like “activist” judges that are only “activist” when they rule against you. When they rule for your side the are “wise and prudent” jurists.

        • Anonymous

           Until the worms show up and you realize all that time and money you spent for a special seat did you no good at all.

        • Anonymous

          Haven’t you noticed that many more of us promote SSM than “homosexual activists”?

        • Tedlick Badkey

          Your petty god does not matter, snuggle-nugget.

          Your morality is YOUR CHOICE. You chose to look at the world that way, but you can’t force it onto anyone. Gay marriage will not harm you, but it will take a way the thrill you get watching people get hurt.

          You’re the perversion, little man… you’ve perverted your world to ignore humanity and what it means to be human, all in the name of following a sky monster.

          Your god can be mocked… I mock it constantly. It promises nothing, as it is a delusion you’ve chosen to suckle on. Nothing less.

          • ptkitty

            Sucks to be you, Mr. Ted Lick Badley.  

            You’ll be meeting the “sky monster” someday.  Based on your characterization of God, I think that He might tell you to “Go to HELL.”   

            Homosexuality and gay marriage are immoral…nothing more than an in-your-face  sexual perversion.

          • Tedlick Badkey

            Ah, yes, there it is!!! That wonderful worship through fear!

            “Worship me and anger me not or I’ll burn you in fire for all eternity”… yeah, that sounds like a loving god. NOT.

            More like a monster… a raging, foaming at the mouth, jealous beast.

            You can have it hon… It is, after all, just a choice. A choice I have declined, thanks.

            As for immoral and perversion, I think that’d be teaching folks to worship out of fear so you can control them.

            THAT is immoral… THAT is a perversion.

            Making you a pervert, sweetheart.

            See? Morality and perversion are opinions… nothing more.

          • ptkitty

            Not your “sweetheart,” not your “hon,”
            “Suckle on” your perversion,  that’s no pun.

          • Tedlick Badkey

            No, sweetcheeks, you’re not.

            I wouldn’t have you: you’re used goods.

          • Anonymous

             Ted …. it is important to separate the poster and his “beliefs” from others of faith who do support our efforts to be treated as full-fledged human beings and citizens.

          • Tedlick Badkey

            He and his ilk do not represent all people of his faith. Many follow the faith in a positive way. He and his ilk do not. They make the idea of god an idea of a petty, jealous monster. Those who do not, I would hope, see the difference.

          • Anonymous

            Just an aside note-Christopher Hitchens has a new book out.Great stuff.

        • Anonymous

          Just because you believe it is wrong why try to shove it down everybody’s throat?

        • Anonymous

          It’s not even about marriage the agenda is to attack and destroy our first, tenth, and fourteenth amendments. Because if it was about love and matrimony and it’s benefits they wouldn’t have any argument because:    Same sex couples have registered their wedding ceremonies with the state and received certified copies licensing that union since 2004.A license is a permit where you must be registered with the state to have a wedding ceremony and join together in legal matrimony to get benefits.The word “register” means an official record with the state.Same sex couples have been able to join together in legal matrimony in Maine for 8 years with the same rights and benefits as everyone else such as inheriting their spouses property, adopt children, considered next of kin when making funeral arrangements, serve as guardian or conservator of spouses property if their spouse becomes incapacitated, visit their spouse in the hospital, purchase health insurance for their spouse if that employer provides benefits, take up to ten weeks of unpaid leave if their spouse or child is sick or dying and submit to a town clerk their spouses absentee ballot to vote.Clearly, same sex couples already get licenses despite political rhetoric.

          http://www.maineequalrightscenter.com/maine/

    • Tedlick Badkey

      What is it about you that makes you so slap happy by seeing citizens harmed?

      Are you a sadist?

  • Anonymous

    SSM opponents must be running scared to inject that kind of money in hopes of influencing the votes of Mainers. But even though I have not lived in Maine that long, it seems to mean that most people in this state make up their own minds about what is right.

    • Anonymous

      Last I knew it wasn’t the opponents spending $5 million dollars. I think you may be a little confused about who is and who isn’t running scared.

      • Anonymous

        Time will tell.

      • This Charming Man

        And how do you “know” this ?

        Just because the SSM people aren’t breaking state law to hide their contributors ?

    • Anonymous

      Same sex couples have registered their wedding ceremonies with the state and received certified copies licensing that union since 2004.
      A license is a permit where you must be registered with the state to have a wedding ceremony and join together in legal matrimony to get benefits.
      The word “register” means an official record with the state.
      Same sex couples have been able to join together in legal matrimony in Maine for 8 years with the same rights and benefits as everyone else such as inheriting their spouses property, adopt children, considered next of kin when making funeral arrangements, serve as guardian or conservator of spouses property if their spouse becomes incapacitated, visit their spouse in the hospital, purchase health insurance for their spouse if that employer provides benefits, take up to ten weeks of unpaid leave if their spouse or child is sick or dying and submit to a town clerk their spouses absentee ballot to vote.
      Clearly, same sex couples already get licenses despite political rhetoric.

      • This Charming Man

        Talk about rhetoric and outright falsehoods !

        Domestic partnerships are not the same as marriage, you don’t even USE the words “domestic partnerships” and use the word “matrimony” – talk about dishonest and outright lying !

    • Anonymous

       Something like this should never ever come up for a “popular” vote — these are rights, plain and simple, and should simply be granted.  Enough, awreddy!!

  • Alec Cunningham

    I have heard from plenty of those against SSM who complained about the Facebook founder and his partner donating $100,000 in a matching pledge.  We were told that we don’t need people from out of state meddling in Maine politics.

    So, since then, we have read articles about Frank Schubert (from out of state) who is running multiple campaigns in other states against SSM, the married couple who went across the state talking to people about traditional marriage, and now NOM (which is based in New Jersey).  They are all from out of state yet none of the anti-SSM people are complaining about THESE people and organizations meddling in our state’s politics.

    For the record, it doesn’t bother me.  I just don’t like the hypocrisy as well as the fact that NOM (from NJ) is snubbing its nose at OUR laws.  It’s telling that the anti-SSM crowd is fine with that.

    • Anonymous

       The left only complain about out of state money when it’s not for their cause. Just like King now out in Washington looking for out of state money for his cause.

      • Alec Cunningham

        Really?  I mean, REALLY???  You have never seen the anti-SSM people complain about out-of-state money coming here to support the immoral gays?

      • Anonymous

        How about the the USCC funding anti-King ads (and pro-Dill ads)?

      • Anonymous

        I would just like NOM to comply with Maine State Law….like every other group has done in the past.

  • Alec Cunningham

    Looking at the campaign donation reports filed in 2009 and publicly available here: http://www.mainecampaignfinance.com/Public/report_list.asp?TYPE=PAC&ID=4477, it’s interesting to see the pages and pages of individual donors on the pro-side, but only a few pages that show mostly big donations from out-of-state agencies.  

    For example:
    Focus on the Family (Colorado Springs, Colorado): 
    08-25-2009 $10,000
    09-11-2009 $50,000
    10-06-2009 $15,000

    National Organization for Marriage (Princeton, New Jersey):
    07-07-2009 $40,000
    07-17-2009 $50,000
    08-13-2009 $50,000
    09-04-2009 $140,000
    09-11-2009 $50,000
    10-01-2009 $300,000
    10-09-2009 $300,000
    10-14-2009 $500,000

    • Anonymous

      No different that the same hateful wealthy gang(primarily in the South)who are throwing dark money at Romney.It will fail and they will eventually die off like Strom Thurmond.I’m a heterosexual male who’s proud to donate to MUM X3.Good luck to you and yours!

    • Alec Cunningham

      (P.S.  Notice how I cited my reference?  Notice how I didn’t tell anyone to look it up their own darned self?  That’s what people do when they quote information.)

  • Using the state to prevent people from getting married is NOT pro-marriage.

    Has NOM ever complied with Maine laws in the past on identifying donors? They seem to act as if they alone are above the law while all others must comply.

    • Alec Cunningham

      You’ll never get a response from the anti-SSM people on that question.  They’ve been asked about what they think of that for months now and I don’t recall seeing an answer.  They appear to be okay with a New Jersey-based organization coming into their state and disregarding the law.

      • Anonymous

        Joe,
        On the contrary, I have chimed in.  Yes, it was illegal and I fully believe that once NOM takes care of the suit filed against them, and when they are in full compliance of the law, I welcome their money. 
        I also chimed in that where the money comes from shouldn’t matter, b/c what happens in 1 state will/can be affected everywhere else in the country.  So, if I beleive in a cause in Delaware, I should be free to send my money there.  It’s my money and should be able to do what I want with it, b/c it may affect me later.
        As far as not accepting out of state money, does it matter?  Both sides do it equally, whether it’s $1 or $1 Million; once money taken you have thrown out your ideals/values.  As far as who received first, it really doesn’t matter now does it b/c that’s something that cannot be proven.

        • Alec Cunningham

          Okay, I have missed your posts.  I appreciate your comments and I agree with you.  However you aren’t one of the anti-SSM people who have complained about pro money coming from out-of-state.  Any word from them on this?

  • Anonymous

    gotta love all these “defenders” of marriage– how many of you “defenders” have had affairs,? lived in sin? been divorced? fornicated without being married? and now tell me how you were defending marriage while you did this—If your marriage is so pathetic that some one else getting married will impact on it so, you better work at saving your marriage rather than posting bigoted comments..–BTW- I’m a 60 year old hetero happily married grandfather and SSM will not hurt my marriage in the least

    •  I like!!!   Yes these opponents proclaim equal rights but only for themselves….hypocrites. 

      • Anonymous

        Marriage isn’t a right. Anything that you have to purchase a license for isn’t a right………it’s a privilege.

          Same sex couples have registered their wedding ceremonies with the state and received certified copies licensing that union since 2004.A license is a permit where you must be registered with the state to have a wedding ceremony and join together in legal matrimony to get benefits.The word “register” means an official record with the state.Same sex couples have been able to join together in legal matrimony in Maine for 8 years with the same rights and benefits as everyone else such as inheriting their spouses property, adopt children, considered next of kin when making funeral arrangements, serve as guardian or conservator of spouses property if their spouse becomes incapacitated, visit their spouse in the hospital, purchase health insurance for their spouse if that employer provides benefits, take up to ten weeks of unpaid leave if their spouse or child is sick or dying and submit to a town clerk their spouses absentee ballot to vote.Clearly, same sex couples already get licenses despite political rhetoric.

        • This Charming Man

          No, I’ve seen this repeated over and over again, licensure doesn’t cease to make a right a right.

          Try again, after some consultation with a legal expert.

        • Alec Cunningham

          Like owning a gun, right?

          Or even being born or dying, you still have to register that with the state even though there isn’t a fee.

  • Anonymous

    Whoever is unjust let him be unjust still
    Whoever is righteous let him be righteous still
    Whoever is filthy let him be filthy still
    Listen to the words long written down
    When the man comes around

    • Anonymous

      Johnny Cash

  • Anonymous

    Those cheats gonna break our campaign laws again?

    • Anonymous

      You never answered my question from yesterday. You stated our laws are not based on morals. I’m asking you again, how will you prevent polygamists from marrying multiple spouses in a court of law?

      • Anonymous

         Ask Mitt.His crowd knows about that.Or ask Newt.

        • Anonymous

          Why don’t we ask Pres. Obama?  His GGGrandpa was a polygamist also.

      • Anonymous

        Everyone can have their day in court. This is America. 

        • Anonymous

          Can’t answer the question can you. You know there will be nothing from preventing it. You know based on this same legal precedent that brothers will be able to marry as will fathers and sons or mothers and daughters. We are ever so slowly being boiled into spiritual bankruptcy as a nation…..we will suffer the consequences of it. History has clearly pointed that out.

          • Anonymous

            I answered your question. Time and time again, you just don’t like the answer. You’re lying when you said I can’t. Others have answered you too and yet you continue to lie.

            You don’t have an argument. All you have is changing the subject and trying to force people to defend positions they don’t hold. That’s pathetic and incredibly weak. You’re also engaging in a double standard. You screech day in and day out for legal argument and yet all you present for your side is garbage like “spiritual bankruptcy” — that’s not a legal argument. 

            Let’s see your legal argument. I’ve already showed you evidence that the polygamy line gets laughed out of court rooms, so what else do you have?  

          • Anonymous

            Just as polygamy is against the law, there is no saying that it cannot be re-instated based on past precedence.  Many of the pro SSM use SCOTUS as your legal means, Loring v. Virginia, Lawrence v Texas et al.  many of the same pro SSM use the decisions on slavery and women rights.  However you want to try to explain it, you fully can’t b/c the ramifications are not presently clear. 
            “We need to pass this bill to find out what’s in it!!!”

          • Anonymous

            It’s been legal some states for nearly a decade. I think the ramifications are quite clear. None of the doomsday scenarios ever come true. 

          • Alec Cunningham

            Maybe they HAVE come true but the gay mafia is keeping a lid on it!

          • Anonymous

            And traditional marriage has been around for millenia and the world keeps spinning

          • Anonymous

            And no one is trying to prohibit or ban or end traditional marriage …… opposite-sex couples will continue to carry on marrying as they have for millenia.   The world is still spinning and will continue to do so as same-sex couples gain equal access to legal civil marriage.

          • Marriage4All

            We can look to the 6 other states that allow marriage for same sex couples. None of them have burned up in fire or suffered a plague of locust.

          • Anonymous

            And we can look at the 32 states that have banned SSM and they haven’t burned up in a fire or suffered a plague of locusts.  Seems like the only animosity is the one that keeps being inflamed

          • Marriage4All

            Many of those laws were created quite some time ago. And many are now in the process of getting them reversed. So much has changed since 2000 that it’s almost unbelievable. The majority of the country now believes marriage for same sex couples should be legal.

          • Anonymous

            Yeah, NC comes to mind, about now

          • Alec Cunningham

            And the abolition of “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” also comes to mind…

          • Marriage4All

            Yes that is the most recent. But any number of the otehrs are old. I wouldn’t count on NC for anything that even smacks of being liberal. It’s a back woods state in many ways and they do love them some discrimination.

          • Anonymous

            The case was Loving v. Virginia and it established that marriage was a fundamental civil  right.

            Currently there is a SCOTUS decision that prevents polygamy and established that any laws preventing it are not in violation of the Establishment Clause in the Bill of Rights.

          • Anonymous

            Anything that you have to purchase a license for is not a right 

          • Anonymous

            Seems that the SCOTUS disagrees with your opinion…

            In its Loving v. Virginia decision the court wrote: “Marriage is one of the “basic civil rights of man,”…

          • Anonymous

            Just goes to show the hypocrisy of the court doesn’t it?  so we each made our points.  btw, just as the ssm proponents point out that civil rights and women’s rights were changed by the courts as well.

          • Anonymous

            I think you are out in left field with your brother,brother, fathers, sons etc. comment. That not being what the topic is.

          • Tedlick Badkey

            He knows it’ll never be a problem… it’s all he has, though, so he’ll keep using it.

          • Tedlick Badkey

            I did answer the question, my little snuggle-nugget!

            Your spirituality is meaningless… it is your choice, your monstrous hate. Keep it.

            But it will not be made law.

            History clearly points that out.

          • Anonymous

            Nothing….just that pesky SCOTUS decision from years ago.

      • Anonymous

        Quite easily.

      • Anonymous

        If anybody is stupid enough to have more than one wife then that should be punishment enough.
        The practice is illegal in all 50 states

      • Tedlick Badkey

        Laws are based on victimization and risk, primarily. The enlightenment has far, FAR more to do with our legal system than your hateful monster-god or your personal views on morality.

        Stated very clearly by SCOTUS is that your morality is NOT a justifiable reason to discriminate against otherwise law-abiding citizens.

        I will not try to prevent polygamists from marrying multipe spouses so long as they’re all consenting adults and our tax codes are restructured to accommodate them all. It doesn’t harm me… it doesn’t affect me.

        And I’m a better man than you.

  • Anonymous

    The voters in Maine have been smart enough to defeat any referendum on this question,  so they will do it  again.  
    A co-founder of Facebook gave the SSM supporters in Maine $100,000. before he left the USA;  Donald Sussman and Chellie Pingree had given that same amount early on, so the pros must be the ones running scared with the $5,000,000. they have in their coffers.  Money does not always talk!

    • Tedlick Badkey

      And all the voters of Maine will be trumped in court.

      It’s only a matter of time.

      • Anonymous

        We won’t need court-the people will speak loud and clear.

        • Tedlick Badkey

          And speaking loud and clear to continue harm against gay citizens will mean that their voice will be trumped.

          It’s happened many times before, it’ll happen many more times into our future.

          That’s the great thing about a Republic. The mob doesn’t rule.

    • Anonymous

      How many citizens of the state of Maine have donated to NOM? Oh wait….we don’t know because they haven’t complied with state law.

      “Leave gay marriage debate to government,
      Chick-fil-A says in statement”

      http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/09/19/leave-gay-marriage-debate-to-government-chick-fil-says-in-statement/#ixzz277zheGwj

    • Anonymous

      If it doesn’t then you can tell this gang to keep theirs-since according to you it won’t matter.You have the biggest misnomer on this board ever since you don’t want decent people to be free to live their lives.

  • Anonymous

    It’s bright and early and the pro homosexual cult are at their computers commenting.  I’ll check in late tonight and  delete  from my mail box all the “love” responses I received from them today.

    • Alec Cunningham

      Yay!  Good morning to you!   Odd that you would even post this comment, though…

    • Anonymous

      Cult?  Get real.

  • Anonymous

    Big Money Bigots.

    Wastin’ some idiot’s  holy money.

    Yessah

  • Anonymous

    Stay the hell out of peoples lives and bedrooms…!!!
    Mind your own business…

    • Anonymous

      Yeah you tell em! Anything goes. Morality doesn’t matter! You’re a real deep thinker there roundponda.

      •  You belong in the south with the hypocritical bible thumping rednecks.  I suppose you preach “love not war” as well. 

        • Anonymous

           Is it any surprise that the South is also the unhealthiest, dumbest, poorest area of the country?They did so well in the War.

          • Tedlick Badkey

            Funniest thing is that the South (my homeland) is also highest in teen pregnancy and HIV/AIDS incidence. 

      • Anonymous

        This isn’t a theocracy. You don’t get to force people to adhere to your religious believes. 

        • Anonymous

           They’re doing their best to make it one.BEWARE.

      • Anonymous

        Really it was moral to keep slaves. Morality changes. 

        • Anonymous

          It was democrats that wanted and to keep slavery……it was republicans just like martin luther king jr that freed the slaves

      • Tedlick Badkey

        It doesn’t matter… it doesn’t affect you.

        You just get all hot & bothered by knowing those you don’t like are harmed by our government.

      • Anonymous

        How does SSM impact you or your marriage cp444?

      • Anonymous

        So you have morality police in your bedroom making sure you don`t do anything in there that some believe is immoral….. remember many believe that any act or action that does not lead directly to procreation is immoral and therefore sinful behavior.

  • Anonymous

    NOM=KKK

    • Tedlick Badkey

      SonofBangor = KKK member.

  • Anonymous

    More carpetbagger money.

  • Anonymous

    Why do all of you homosexual marriage fans have to call it SSM? Are you too embarrassed to say what it really is? If you support it then say so, it is allowing homosexuals to marry each other. 

    • Tedlick Badkey

      That would be same-sex marriage… it means exactly the same thing. That’s called a “synonym”.

      To save space SSM. That’s called an “acronym”.

    • Anonymous

      Does it really matter?
      But to make you feel better:

      homosexual marriage 
      homosexual marriage 
      homosexual marriage 

      • Alec Cunningham

        I was thinking about that too and realized that it really is “same sex” marriage.
        I came to that conclusion because right now gay people are marrying other of the opposite gender, so I think THAT should be “traditional marriage” (not heterosexual marriage) and what we’re talking about now is “same-sex marriage.”  I think using that terminology makes it clear that friends of the same gender can marry just like right now friends of the opposite gender can marry-sex is not the point.

    • Anonymous

      I’m not embarrased at all!

      It’s civil marriage. That’s what we are asking for— our government to treat us equally.

  • Anonymous

    I need to find a way to get people to donate hundreds of thousand of dollars to my cause.

  • As you know, most disputes are over who is going to get the money. Workers or the folks who own the mill. 

    But have you worked out the money trail on this one? No matter which way it goes can you see which of those two groups is going to profit one way or another on this?

    Who are the only people who might profit or lose financially from this vote outside of the immediate parties?

    What’s the fuss?  

    Money coming in from away to influence a vote that’s not going to make anybody a pile of money?

    Please educate me.

    The humble Farmer

  • Anonymous

    When SSM passes it will bring plenty of money into the state since ME is already a destination wedding spot.NY has already made $175M since they passed their law.Should SSM lose(it won’t)the tax free hate plate will continue to spin.

  • Anonymous

    Same sex couples have registered their wedding ceremonies with the state and received certified copies licensing that union since 2004.
    A license is a permit where you must be registered with the state to have a wedding ceremony and join together in legal matrimony to get benefits.
    The word “register” means an official record with the state.
    Same sex couples have been able to join together in legal matrimony in Maine for 8 years with the same rights and benefits as everyone else such as inheriting their spouses property, adopt children, considered next of kin when making funeral arrangements, serve as guardian or conservator of spouses property if their spouse becomes incapacitated, visit their spouse in the hospital, purchase health insurance for their spouse if that employer provides benefits, take up to ten weeks of unpaid leave if their spouse or child is sick or dying and submit to a town clerk their spouses absentee ballot to vote.
    Clearly, same sex couples already get licenses despite political rhetoric.
    Marriage is not a right. You need a license to get married. You don’t need a license for your rights.
    This applies to both heterosexual and homosexual couples. So when people say it is separate but equal that is not true.
    Special interest groups are not spending 5 million dollars to pass a law to get a drivers, hunting, fishing or marriage license.
    All which can be revoked by the state.
    This is about our rights, not special rights but taking away rights we already have such as our 1st,10th and 14th Amendment rights.
    Same sex marriage is being used to attack our Constitutional rights state by state.
    Here’s how.
    Same sex marriage will change the legal definition from “one man and one woman” to Person A and Person B making it meaningless.
    This completes the transfer of power over this institution from the realm of ‘We the People’ and grants full control to the state which strikes at the heart of our First Amendment.
    Here’s why.
    Redefining marriage will allow gay rights groups to join a class action law suit with Vermont, New Hampshire, Connecticut, Massachusetts, New York and Iowa against the federal government claiming discrimination.
    This lawsuit bypasses Congress to go before the Supreme Court which will strike at the heart of the 10th Amendment which is states rights.
    This class action lawsuit will allow non citizens to collect welfare and free healthcare which strikes at the heart of the 14th Amendment, which is what it means to be an American citizen.
    This is not about love, it is about the law and the changes this law will make to our government and our rights.
    Let’s look at the buzzword “equality“ they are using, it is a terrific clue as to the kind of government they are talking about.
    Gay marriage is a global agenda and when they speak about “equality” they are talking about making America equal with the rest of the world, hence, the need to eliminate free speech, states rights and what it means to be an American citizen.
    Eleven other countries have passed gay marriage, Argentina, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, Iceland, Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, Spain, South Africa and Sweden.
    Passing gay marriage is not the only thing they have in common, they are also ranked the most socialist countries on earth.
    So what does socialism have to do with same sex marriage?
    To understand that we need to know what socialism is.
    Socialism is a political and economic theory that believes that government should control everything. It is a stage between overthrowing capitalism and creating a communist government.
    Same sex marriage is a cover so politicians can play political football in the attempt to score votes and grow government.
    What voters need to understand is in Maine everything is already fair and equal.
    The last thing we want to do is use a corrupt tax code to justify passing a law that takes away our Constitutional rights for the sake of changing our government to make America “equal” with the rest of the world.
    http://www.maineequalrightscenter.com/maine/

    • Anonymous

      OK Yankee if you say so….

      • Alec Cunningham

        Either yankee is the same guy who had this piece printed in the BDN on September 10th, 2012 under the title “Same-Sex marriage is a cover to allow politicians to grow government” (http://bangordailynews.com/2012/09/10/opinion/same-sex-marriage-is-a-cover-to-allow-politicians-to-grow-government/), or yankeetraveler is plagiarizing.
        In any case, I wish he would expand on his assertion that same-sex couples can get legal marriage licenses from the state of Maine and have been able to since 2004.

        • Anonymous

          I could deal with him not expanding on his assertion…  

          • Alec Cunningham

            Haha…yeah, I hear that.  But I really do want to hear him explain it.  Right now, he’s just repeating what that man said in the opinion piece or actually repeating his own words.
            But we all know what needs to be done with broken records.   We need to buy the new K-Tel record vacuum!  It not only eliminates static electricity build-up, but loosens DAMAGING MICRODUST PARTICLES!!!  Your record will never repeat again!

          • Anonymous

            Maybe he could post a link to that “certified copies licensing that union” … along with where the State of Maine recognizes the registry as “matrimony” …. see everything I’ve read on the maine.gov site states that it is a Declaration not a License.  And they make it abundantly clear that the registry is not the same as marriage.

          • Alec Cunningham

            Maybe he knows something we AND the state doesn’t know….?

    • Anonymous

      Interesting group “Maine Equal Rights Center”

      Falsehoods found under the “Rights” tab

      “Every state that passed gay marriage gave up their first amendment rights so public schools can teach 5 year olds about gay sex.” = False

      “Every state that passed gay marriage created another loop hole to allow non citizens access to taxpayer dollars for welfare.” = False

      “Legalizing gay marriage has not accomplished one single thing they said it will but is doing many things they won’t tell you.” = I love statement of “facts” without the proof.

      “Gay rights are not civil rights and marriage is not a Constitutional right.  Many of the people don’t truly understand what this is about, they have been lied to and manipulated into getting angry about something that is not true.” = SCOTUS in its Loving v. Virginia decision wrote: “Marriage is one of the “basic civil rights of man,”…

      http://www.maineequalrightscenter.com/rights/

      Some additional Falsehoods

      Under Education

      “Changing state law changes what is taught in public schools.” = False

      “Voting for gay marriage in Maine will do the same thing it did in Massachusetts.” = False

      “The current legal definition of marriage does not strip Americans of their First Amendment rights, ’gay’ marriage will.” = False

      http://www.maineequalrightscenter.com/education/

      Under Equality

      “11 other countries have passed gay marriage, Argentina, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, Iceland, Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, Spain, South Africa and Sweden.

      Passing gay marriage is not the only thing they have in common, they are also ranked the most socialist countries on earth.” = What????? Canada is now one of the most “socialist countries on earth”

      http://www.maineequalrightscenter.com/equality/

      I could go on but there is more False about this “Maine Equal Rights Center” than True.

    • Anonymous

      You’re lying here— domestic partnerships do not convey the same rights as civil marriage.

      There are over 1,100 benefits and privileges extended by our government, contingent on marital status.

      Domestic partners in Maine cannot even file state taxes jointly!

      We cannot receive social security survivor benefits. We cannot obtain access to military housing or commissary privileges when our partners are deployed overseas.

      The truth is that extending civil marriage to same-sex couples is the right thing to do, so that all Maine families have the same opportunity to protect the lives they build together, and the children they raise together.

    • Alec Cunningham

      You need a license in some places to exercise your right to bear arms.
      In any case, I’m sure I’m not the first person to say that this is nonsense.  Same-Sex couples have not been able to do what is listed here.

    • Anonymous

      Sounds familiar ….. oh that’s right …. Erick Bennett’s words
      The Domestic Partnership Registry is a registry of opposite-sex or same-sex couples who have cohabited a minimum of 12 months and gives them very limited rights.  (7 total I believe)
      There is no mention of “matrimony” and the site explaining the DPR is very specific that it is not marriage:
      · 
      The partners named above are not prohibited under Title 19-A M.R.S.A.
      §701 (2),(3), or (4) from marriage. 
      ·  
      That this declaration does not create a marriage between the partners
      herein mentioned. 
      ·   
      That the partners named above have been legally domiciled together in
      this State for at least 12 months preceding the filing of this document.
      ·   
      That neither partner named above is married or in a registered domestic
      partnership with another person; and
      ·  
      That each partner named above is the sole domestic partner of the other
      and expects to remain so.

      Registration of this declaration may affect property and inheritance rights.  It is not a substitute for a will, a deed or a partnership agreement and any rights conferred by registration may be completely superceded by a will, a deed or other instruments that may be executed by either partner.  Registration of Domestic Partnership is not effective until this Declaration is signed and dated by Registrar at the Maine CDC vital records office.  A $50.00 registration fee must accompany the Declaration.
      (http://www.maine.gov/dhhs/mecdc/public-health-systems/data-research/vital-records/order/domstcprtnrspge.html)
      Declaration of Domestic Partnership Form
      There are two ways to terminate this `partnership` for opposite-sex couples; file termination forms OR get a civil marriage license and marry each other.
      There is one way to terminate this `partnership` for same-sex couples; file termination documents.
      When a couple is legally married and wish to end the marriage there is one way to do that; file for divorce in a court of law.  This is not necessary with a DPR as it is not a legally recognized marriage.

      • Alec Cunningham

        Gee…you mean it’s NOT the same as getting married?  Drat, and here I was so excited when my partner asked me to domestic partnership with him!!!

  • Anonymous

    ROMNEY / RYAN  2012 !!!

    • Anonymous

      Romney is on both sides of the issue.  It depends on who he is talking to and what the polling data says.  If elected, he will go with the majority of Americans who are getting smarter and realize that there are people born with both sexes and that there are people born with 2 sets of DNA and that gay people aren’t as evil as the holier-than-thous would like to portray.  So on this issue, I am not worried, because Romney looks more like the salesman he is than a president.  It is too bad that a guy like that can buy a nomination.

  • Anonymous

    Put as much money as possible into same sex  marriage, the ‘people’ will never approve it, because it is wrong. Which is why every state that have approved it has done so by misguided
    legislatures or wrong headed Judges, who do not represent the will of the ‘people’, or the Law.
    Think what you will, but the final authority will consider your actions. 

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