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Comments for: Is a private toll highway rural Maine’s road to prosperity?

  • Anonymous

    Anything.

    I repeat, ANYTHING, will help the economy that thirty years of democrat pandering to the environmental lobby has produced.

    It’s time that the depopulation plans for rural Maine are stopped.

    • Anonymous

      The “For Sale” signs are not, NOT, the result of environmental laws or restrictive business regulations and past tax policy. Maine has suffered economically over the past 3 decades due to manufacturing jobs (shoes, clothes, paper, etc) going overseas. If you want to compete with $5/day labor and no environmental laws, good luck.   

      • Anonymous

         Agreed.

        Maine is suffering not because of environmentalists, but because Maine is still trying to make shoes and newsprint in an era of Ipods and Android phones.

        That said, we may see a bit of a rebound in agriculture and resource-based industry in Maine, especially as the rest of the US continues to suffer from heat and drought.  That and the possibility that the technology/finance/real estate economy of the rest of the US has gotten a bit long in the tooth.

        • Anonymous

          Yup, Mainers are VERY stubborn and resistant to change. That is why we are in this current mess. People buried their heads in the sand when it came to the mills leaving. It will never happen everyone said. Now here we are, stuck with thousands out of work and towns that are better off dead.

        • DUH!’

              Ipods are made in China where they have slave labor factories keeping the workers from commiting suicide with safety nets on the side of buildings to keep them from jumping to their deaths!

          Look it up!

          Google It!

          • Anonymous

             Yes, I should have been more exact.  While the Ipods are made in China, they’re designed in the US.  That design work is what employes many, many people in southern New England and on the West Coast.

          • PaulNotBunyan

             I think he should also google and find out more about the increased offshoring of hardware and software development. It’s also important to find out what percentage of these American workers are direct employees. A lot of them are working through temp agencies and some of them are contractors on 1099 status. But you might be dealing with a devout follower of bokonoism in which case the facts get confused with the foma.

      • Let’s demonize successful business owners, tax and regulate them to death, support unions making twice and three times what they are worth, then all complain that jobs have moved overseas.

        • Anonymous

          Let’s ignore the fact that the wealthy have quadrupled their wealth while the rest of us sink or barely swim.  And that they buy off politicians like purchasing monopoly cards.

          • Anonymous

            What should be ignored is the obama class warfare BS. Never, ever trust a socialist.

          • Anonymous

            Nicely stated.

          • Anonymous

            that was ment for sprucedweller this website is screwed up i cliked his reply and your name came up go figure

          • Anonymous

            DID YOU MEAN WHAT SHOULD NOT BE IGNORED THAT SOUNDS MORE LIKE IT HEAVEN HELP US IF THAT NOT BORN IN AMERICA GUY GETS IN AGAIN

          • Briney

            Romney was born in Mexico – I heard.  

          • Briney

            How about a left wing, socialistic, Marxist, who votes outside of party politic?  

          • Anonymous

            What you should do is start speaking for yourself, not “the rest of us”.

          • Anonymous

            Speaking for others is a common malady of the left. It always struck me as a bit authoritarian.. or maybe they are compensating for the fact that there are fewer of them than they believe.

          • Anonymous

            Not true.

          • Anonymous

            I am so tired of you libs demonizing “the wealthy”.  I don’t have two nickels to rub together but I don’t have the right to begrudege the wealth that someone else builds and enjoys.  How much is enough in taxes to satisfy a liberal?  The answer is that it wouldn’t matter how high the tax rate on businesses and individuals- the Left would simply want all of it.  The top 10% of earners already carry  80%  of of the load and 50% of the populace pays no taxes at all.      

          • Briney

            They don’t want it all. Just a bit that they’re entitled to through fair taxation. 

        • Anonymous

          Or we could demonize successful union workers (what’s left of them), give free reign to a crony eminent domain giveaway to Cianbro, and then complain when the jobs remain overseas.

          • Very true. It’s hard to believe that Mainers would split the State in half by a private contractor owned road that forces you to pay a fee to get home at night. I find it unsettling  that a businessman from a road contractor would would have the gall to try and force people to vote to hand over thousands and thousands of acres of beautiful land so that they can own it and build a toll road complete with all their own rules and regs. Where are our leaders in all of this? The only one we can deal with is a self serving CEO ?

          • Anonymous

            Who is forcing anyone to hand over anything?  Who said you’ll have to pay a fee to get home?  Please try to stick to the facts.  If the road happens, it’ll be because private investors paid landowners for the use of their land.  If investors don’t think the road is feasible, then the road won’t happen, because the 2 billion dollars needed to build the road won’t materialize. 

          • Anonymous

            But the $100,000 that the state already put out, is gone. Whose bright idea was that?

          • Anonymous

            If you believe eminent domain won’t be used to build this road, please read Kelo v. City of New London.

          • You can always go home the same way that you go now, no one will force you to use the road.

          • Anonymous

            If that map above is correct, the current Rte. 27 from Eustis to Coburn Gore will be ceded to Cianbro. It’s just been upgraded so they get that as well. Also, if you don’t want to pay the toll, you can always go around via Jackman or Colebrook.

          • Anonymous

            “demonize union workers (what’s left of them)” …yes, what’s left of union workers after they priced themselves out of the market, and then complained when the jobs went overseas…

          • Anonymous

            Pricing themselves out of the slave wage Asian labor market.

          • Anonymous

            Right, there has never been an arrogant union boss who got so greedy, so lazy, and so entitled, that they demanded more than their employer could afford to stay in business.  Dream on.

        • Duh!

          Look at the picture!

          Vigue is such a shady charactor that the camrea can’t even capture his image!

          • Anonymous

            Take your blinders off.  Peter Vigue is a visionary that Augusta should be paying more attention with.  This guy if he had the chance would turn this state around in a heartbeat.  This great gentleman is angry at the way our state is headed towards complete socialism , total welfare with everyone on it.  He like other folks in the 2nd District have for decades been calling to have this road built so we can get this area out of the dark ages and start seeing growth. But when you have clueless buffoons like Baldacci, Libby Mitchell, Angus King, Emily Cain, Justin Alfond etc. in Augusta this state is going nowhere but down.  Our economy has suffered, quality of life is in the gutter thanks to these losers.  The only ones who have seen the lives be prosperous is those tied to Government Handouts or Subsidies the folks who have lost is the business community and the working person.  It’s time we listen to what Vigue wants it might actually work for a change.

          • The only Vision Vigue has is how to line his pockets!

          • So then you agree, the highway would be good for Maine since Vigue will make money from it, something that is offensive to you – PROFIT.

          • Roads shouldn’t be  built to line someones private pockets. they are built to allow for the citizens to excercise their freedoms to get about this country! They should be built for need not profit.

               Somethings such as roads need to be socialised in order for the citizens to be free from tyranny!

               Otherwise you may some day find yourself paying your employer to drive the road to get to his factory to make the very goods that you require to survive!

          • Your world is a confusing place to be.

          • Anonymous

            When all the federal and state construction subsidies from his inside connected friends disappear.. Peter Vigue will disappear.

          • Guest

             He’s envisioning his own legacy nothing more.

          • Briney

            We’ll turn  his highway around when the ballot drops into the bucket.  Our life is not in the gutter.   It’s Le Page, with every syllable he utters, that would have the world believe that. 

          • Anonymous

            I’d be curious to see the stats with reference to how many contracting jobs have gone to Cianbro over the past, say, 30 years and how many have gone to other companies. Anybody?
             

          •  Vigue’s agressively anti  union position has been an issue on many state and federal contracts.  Have to hand it to him that he has doen a brilliant job of diversifying Cianbro into private sector work and for his efforts to keep that work in Maine as much as possible..to keep his core employees employed here in Maine.   Also I really admire and often refer to what has come from Vigue’s personal vision and seems to be working very well at Cianbro..his work on “wellness” is very leading edge and more should be referring to it and learning from it.

             I would say Cianbro is well past any reliance on public contracts and that those contracts are a problem for Cianbro.

            I would say all Maine businesses and the big business schools have a lot to learn from Cianbro under Vigue’s leadership.

            That doesn’t change, however, my fierce opposition to his trojan horse of an East West toll road and the questionable manner in which he is trying to pull it off.

        • Anonymous

          Just how smart is it to put your customers out of work?  Unemployed workers don’t buy new shoes and new cars!  Where’s the profit in cutting the throats of the middle class?  This road will profit noone but LePage and the Canadians.  Don’t tinkle down my back and tell me it’s raining!

          • Anonymous

            If Government is the idea for everything why are we nearly bankrupt.  Democrats want to tax , spend , borrow so they can keep welfare, and their pet projects (“their investments” lol).  If these investments are the answer where are all the jobs???.  I don’t see any businesses hiring thanks to these investments all I have seen is for sale signs on people’s properties, and businesses/factories closing their doors and going elsewhere.  It’s not hard to realize the Democrats are not good for business and Mainers because Mainers are in the poor house thanks to the Dems.  The only things Dems are good for is trying to buy votes to keep themselves in power, and to keep everyone in severe poverty.

          • Anonymous

            LePage and his gangsters have pumped millions of taxpayers’ hard earned money back into the pockets of the rich and the corporations in Maine. Yet the unemployment remains high and business growth is stagnant.  How’s that working? It is supposed to be”Of the people, by the people and FOR the people, not for the corporations.

        • And then buy foreign cars because American made cars are too expensive and too cheap and on and on and on it goes.  Democrats are their own worst enemy.

        • D Biggs

          Absolutely true that one of the main reasons the pulp and paper industry exited Maine was labor union related  There were warmer climes and cheaper labor elsewhere.

          The answer though is not the extreme of exploitative  wages and relaxation of safe and healthful work standards or the absence of health benefits.  I hope the answer will lie in some  strong support in Maine and elsewhere for workers to have a direct ownership and profit sharing stake in their companies.

            Not just for the select core few as Cianbro does on its very successful ESOP ( Employee Stock Ownership Plan) but for all workers including day laborers.  

          That does mean changing the traditional relationship between unions and management.

           Everyone should get a fair and equal wage for a given job, every job should provide for the health and safety of workers..we as a culture need to strat refusing to buy low cost for consumer goods made affordable through exploitation of those involved in producing the goods.

          One of the ways privatized highways makes room for profit is through avoidance of laws like Davis Bacon that normally apply to highway projects..it is through lower wages and fewer benefits and use of “other labor sources”  that privatized highways make their profit.

          Anyone who looks to this nightmare of corporate exploitation that Vigue is trying to pass of as saving Maine for jobs or economic prosperity is sadly mislead..they are welcoming the biggest trojan horse ever into their frail communities.

          • Anonymous

            “Anyone who looks to this nightmare of corporate exploitation that Vigue
            is trying to pass of as saving Maine for jobs or economic prosperity is
            sadly mislead”

            What is your plan for bringing jobs and economic prosperity to Maine, Lindsay?

          • Brandon.”What is your plan for bringing jobs and economic prosperity to Maine, ”

            This is your tired and tiresome response to everyone who points out that experts ( real experts..not David Cole and John Melrose and Vigue)) who have looked at the East West Highway Vigue proposes have said it would hurt Maine or offer little Benefit. The statements Vigue goes around making about nbenefit to Maine in jobs and economic development are straight out false..not as a matter of opinion but as a matter of fact.

            The issue we are discussing here is the false information in this article and the false information that Thomas and Vigue go around the Sate presenting.

            You are right that we do need to have netter leadership and radically different strategies, legislatively and programmtically to job creation and economic development in the northern counties.

            The East West Highway is not one of those strageies. Simple as that.

          • Anonymous

             Vigue has been a proven job creator in Maine for decades.  He has a plan for creating more jobs, and as you have once again shown, you have no plan and don’t even know where to begin to turn the Maine economy around.  Why should the people of Maine believe your “real experts” as opposed to a proven job-creation expert like Mr. Vigue?

          •  Brandon.,

            I too am very impressed with Vigue’s remarkable diversification of Cianbro into almost all private work for a wide array of clients.  I admire that he has done that using Maine as te base of production wherever possible, eg building the oil rigs here in Maine for a Texas client.

            What is at issue here is  Vigue’s totally unsupported claims of economic benefit and job creation for Mainers that will derive from his highway.  He is traveling around making totally false calims.  That’s what is at issue here.  he may actually  believe he is right.  I have no idea.  But global realities and folk with much expertise in trasnportation planning than him say he is wrong.

            His claims for example that the Panama Canal widening and deepening has any hope of creating gateway opportunities for Maine ports is just ludicrous.

             You know Brandon, there actually are real world experts on all these things Vigue makes up information about.  On the ports, the “real world” says the Panama Canal is going to have an absolutely disastrous effect on almost all container ports in the US..only a very few in the south will benefit.  For everyone else, Maine especially it is disaster, not opportunity that awaits us.

            The conatiner industry is consolidating and reallocating globally. That has already panned out in disastrous ways for the Portland container port.  Maine will lose out from the Panama Canal expansion.

              It’s not as easy as Cole, Vigue, Sherman & co. say..digging a 5o ft harbor.

             There is a real world out there, Brandon,m with real actual, ,easureable global forces at work with observeable  and disatrous  effects for Maine.  Those effects are in the complete opposite direction from what Vigue falsely claims in his glad handing tour of Maine trying to get support for his project.

            I will anticipate your usual nonsenical non responsive non  probative reply..”prove it” and answer that in andavnce..

            “do your homework and you will see the truth for yourself”

            if you did your homework your inout here woud be a littel more valuable to the community.

          • Anonymous

            Your typical non-answer is duly noted…your “experts” have spoken, and therefore Maine’s chance at creating economic activity within a worldwide shift in global shipping is nothing but more big dreaming.  There is nothing Maine can do to strengthen the economy here, if you are to be believed.  You shoot down everybody else’s ideas and provide none of your own.  But I suppose someone who relies so much on so-called experts can’t be expected to generate an original thought.  So much for the value of your “homework.” For the record, Vigue has used original ideas to bring work to Maine throughout this past decade, which can be seen if you do your homework on the unconventional ideas that Vigue has championed, like the industrial modules built in Brewer (they are refinery modules, not oil rigs) and the transportable oil rig platforms built in Portland (which is probably what you mean about Vigue building oil rigs, that is if you are aware that he brought that job to Maine).  You need to read a few more newspaper archives and whatever other material you use for homework, if you want to get a more accurate picture of the situation.

          • goodbye Brandon,

            You are just chasing around in the tight little circles of your own internal processes…

          • Anonymous

            Whatever…

      • Anonymous

        Lets not get ahead of ourselves here $5 a day is probably management in some of these places.

      • Anonymous

        All the for sale signs????? I believe ther are more signs on people yards that say ..NO HIGWAY ….up in the the Dover , Milo ,brownville area …save Maine , we are one of the last states where there is peace and quit , you can go in the woods and not see a soul , no billboards , .. . The new highway Will disrupted all Maine and its wildlife ….do not support this foolish highway…. it would just be for Canadians any way …who the hell comes to maine or wants to go to nova scotia …we are not a drive threw state and I love that about Maine proud of it ..if you want to come to Maine use route 2 or 95 peace out ….

        • Anonymous

          How ignorant can you be? “The new highway will disrupt all  Maine and it’s wildlife?” Have you ever even been north of Portland? It is a HUGE state and this is a tiny road. Lets do something to help rural Maine for a change…

    • Anonymous

       very well said! The issue is this will bring jobs not entitlements.

      • Get your self warmed up for $14.00 a week!

        • Anonymous

          You would rather see these folks take welfare instead you can’t be real serious.  Liberals love to tell us that welfare and socialism grows an economy.  It doesn’t it makes everyone become lazy and dependent on people who work for a living. Well Dlbrt what happens when the money runs dry what are those living on handouts going to do then.  I can’t wait for that day to come to Maine because I think we are very close to that day happening if and when Democrats ever end up back in power.  Them pushing  the limits too far and you see massive budget shortfalls from these welfare programs.  Because if Emily Cain and Friends want us to pay taxes it will be a cold day when that happens.

          • Welfare is in part the result of  republican policies of holding down wages an exploiting people.!

            Wal-mart just loves it!

          •  Dlbrt, Obama is a democrat and he has done absolutely NOTHING, NOTHING, NOTHING.  The policies are Obama’s, the tax cuts belong to Obama, the economy belongs to Obama.  He is clearly not smart enough to even know that there is a problem.

          • Welfare is the result of the failed policies of Globalization and Tax breaks for the Wealthy and Corporations.

            Liberals know that welfare does NOT Replace or Create a viabrant economy!

            However, They also know that you just cant let the people starve! 

            Something that the conservatives have NO concern about!

    • Thats what they want you to think!

      A Canadian Road through Maine is just that!

      By Vigues own admission there is nothing in this area to support life!

      “Take a drive from Millinocket to Brownville, to Milo, Ripley, Dover,” he said, “and count the for sale signs. It appalls me.” 

      Build it they will come!

      Baloney!!!!

       Build it they will just drive over us!

      • Anonymous

        Dlbrt, what’s your grand strategy to allow unemployed and poverty-stricken families in Millinocket, Brownville, Milo, Ripley and Dover to continue paying a mortgage and keep their homes?  Or do you even care whether they can keep their homes or not?

        •    I stopped into the Moosehead Manufacturing Seconds store in Dover a few years back and asked the fella working there what happened. They never used to sell seconds as they beleived in quality products and didn’t want anything of theirs that wasn’t top quality out in the Market.

          His reply was the Wal-mart mentality.

             No longer do people by quality furniture and hand it down throuh generations. Now they by junk from China because that is all that they can afford on suppressed wages.

          You can build a 6 lane highway through Dover and string up lights all you want, and nobody is going to do any better as the Game is rigged and its NOT rigged for the people in rural maine!

          Get on Rte 95 and drive from Bangor to Houlton and tell me that 50 years of Highway thru rural Maine has brung unpresidented prosperity!

          ( Try NOT to fall asleep)! 

          • Anonymous

            Would the communities from Bangor to Houlton exist at all if not for I-95?  One of the themes of the opponents is that building an EW Highway would divert business away from areas like Machias or Northern New Brunswick.  Obviously someone in the anti-highway crowd thinks that highways bring economic activity.

          • Anonymous

            Jr. granted you probably don’t want to be bothered by history or facts. But let me bore you with a little history. First, the communities between Bangor & Houlton existed long before I-95 and were built primarily by the calloused hands of farmers and loggers. This was a time when people purchased locally and worked especially hard for their earnings. Rt 2 weaved in, out, around, and through many of these communities that do not see much traffic any more. People would stop to rest and purchase goods in these family owned businesses. I-95 has not done much but to leave them in the dark and to better serve such ill conceived agreements such as NAFTA. Why do you suspect an East-West highway would be any different?

          • Anonymous

            Dlbrt, couple of nice points! First, being the Wal-Mart mentality of today’s consumers and the second being the failed business increase  from 50 years or more of Interstate between Bangor & Houlton.  Don Democrat will blame it on Ron Republican and Tea-Partiers will blame on anyone in disagreement. When, in fact, it is an all rigged game so that who ever makes the profit is going to win on the back of the middle class working people. As long as Mainers don’t fall for the bait we will have something that non of the greedy profiteers will ever have. That being  a beautiful state, full of nature which we cherrish, love and find peace and harmony with.

          • Anonymous

             I-95 did not rob Maine of its beauty and neither would an EW Highway.  Peace and harmony are all well and good for people who have a job, but don’t amount to much for the families of the 60,000 Maine kids who are going hungry and for those Mainers who can’t pay their mortgage and will have to sell and move out to find a place that has some economic opportunity.

    • Anonymous

      i absolutely agree. The socialist destroyed our economy allowing too many programs that we cannot afford. No jobs no taxes money.

      • But we can always” afford” to stick our big white christian noses into the affairs of other nations, like Iraq, Kuwait, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, Yemen, and Lybia (a short part of a long long list.)

        • Anonymous

          Au contraire  TK !
          Uncle Sam:
          “Some of my best friends are non-white infidels!”

      • OUR economy was sent to China!

        Capitalist did that, not Socialist!

        Oh!

        And by the way!

        China is Socialist!

        Kind of sinks your “socialist” theory doesn’t it!

    •  Yowsa,

      I agree that Maine’s legislative and programmatic response to the loss of the pulp and paper industry has been shabbily incomplete and ineffective and continues to be. 

      The response , prohibition on liquidation harvesting. was incomplete and in fact has set the stage for a variety of other exploitation schemes by the speculative land holders who now own all of the land that used to be “commercially held”..ie directly supporting Maine’s pulp and paper industry.  Look how much public money and public liability has been assumed in Millinocket to the benefit of a chain of speculative landholders/land investors with not one job so far coming to Millinocket of those that were lost.  Lots of profit though for the private interests to whom the state gave it all away lying to the public the hwle time about the jobs and local prosperity that would result.

      What Vigue is trying to do with the East West Corridor is more of the same..more of trying to extract from cheap timberland.  Echo Corridor Easement LLC, a subsidiary of International Paper who retrained a 2000′ easement on which the Stud Mill Rd is centered testified in court papers that they stand to gain $353 million if the East West Highway used the Stud Mill Rd. :

      ”        David C. Hooper, ECHO’s Vice President as well as an employee
      of International Paper, indicated in his affidavit that the
      Easement Corridor may be the site for a portion of a future east-
      west toll road in Maine, and he estimated that the economic impact
      for ECHO from this toll road could be over $353 million
       
      http://courtlistener.com/ca1/Ks3/maritimes-northeast-pipeline-v-echo-easement/Kennebec West Forest LLC, a partner with Trans Canada ( you know, the Tars Sands people) on several projects in western Maine including Kibbee own the land under and around the Stud Mill Rd and much of the land on the approach at Greenville and bordering Plum Creek’s on the Coburn Gore approach. As much as 80% of any route from Calais to Coburn Gore could be on the land of these three big land interests..Echo, Kennebec and Plum Creek). Using Hooper’s testimony above on the $353 million that translates to a potential $1 billion return to these three speculative profiteering land holders.To me it is morally repugnant for Vigue to portray himself as a hero, as the only one who cares about or its trying to bring economic resurgence to northern Maine. His claims of benefits to Maine, of economic resurgence from this highway have been refuted by globally respected experts and those findings have been respected and accepted by Angus King as Governor and by Baldacci.

      Vigue’s claims of benefit to Maine and Mainers are just plain false. A straight out manipulation to gain support for this outrageous profiteering scheme.

      Vigue is relying on this false notion that the issue is environmentalists against economic development. That isn’t what this is about at all.

      This is about the profiteering of a few large greedy landholders and about Cianbro continuing its diversification and its already existing relationships with these landholders and with global speculative exploitative interests in petroleum products, industrial wind, water harvesting and natural resource exploitation.

      Anyone who buys Vigue’s self portrayal as folksy noble local hero is taking one huge sucker punch.

      • Anonymous

         Lindsay, anyone who buys your self portrayal as folksy noble local hero is taking one huge sucker punch.

        •  Brandon,

          The words of our mouths flow from from the meditations of our hearts.

          Your trolling and unsavory input at this blog doesn’t discredit truth and serves no public purpose..carping and name calling only reveal who you are.

          • Anonymous

            Lindsay, the “unsavory” words I used are yours. The words from your mouth show that you are easily capable of besmirching the integrity of respectable people with whom you disagree at this blog, while lapping the faces of those who go along with your pronouncements.  I believe you should take a good long look in the mirror before casting your judgements about the personal integrity of those of us who think your “truth” is flawed.  Maybe with a bit of reflection, you will see that your unsavory input at this blog doesn’t discredit the truth and serves no purpose because carping and name calling only reveal who you are.

          • This is extremist speak..circular logic that avoids the truth.

            If you look at the documents the author of this article links to on the background to Title 23 Section 4251, in particular at McDomald’s testimony you will see that Cinabro os thnaked for writing the pribatiaxtion staute. In my email exchnages with Nina Fisher and Nathan Howard at MDOT, neither has denied that. Yet Vigue publicly and as quoted at BDN and PPPH and at the variopus sales pitches he has given denied any knowledge of the staute or any intention of using it.

            That’s a straight out lie.

            Same with Thomas..read his account as relayed above that this was about the Wiscasset by pass and read the actual legislative history. It simply is not true and it is impossible to believe that Thomas even for one second thought that was true. I have already acknowledged else where that I think many who sponsored or supported this evil piece of legislation didn’t really understand its scope or breadth but it is almost impossible to accept that a legislator of Thomas re actually believed this was only about the Wiscasset by pass.

            It is just not plausible.

            The difference between your rhetoric, the style of the Maine Heritage Policy Center and mine is that I tell the truth and give the documents that anyone van link to to see that truth and you just besmirch people who don’t agree with you with no regard at all for the truth or actual facts.

            And the amusing part is..it is so obvious. You fool no one. You persuade no one with your playground bully style mud slinging.

            Catching someone in a straight out lie..and both Vigue and Thomas are revealed in the legislative documents themselves to have told public straight out lies,is not besmirching. It is telling the truth. And it is telling the truth in a matter of great consequence to all Mainers.

            What you engage in is name calling..playground bully mudslinging.

            What I engage in is research into public policy matters and sharing the result of that research through links to actual documentation where people can make up their own minds.

            You are sadly mistaken if you think people here at this blog don’t see the difference.

          • Anonymous

            Lindsay, you concoct all sorts of “truths” that reasonable people are going to disagree with, for instance your claims that unions are the only way for workers to get a fair wage, which goes a long way toward explaining your disdain for businesses and their employees trying to earn a living in a hobbled economy like Maine’s.  Your belief that I am a member of the MHPC, which I am not, is proof enough for me that you make up “facts” that are convenient to your arguments.  Also, when has challenging the opinions of opinionated people like you in a public debate become “bullying?”  You just want everyone to accept your interpretations as gospel, without anyone challenging you, which is why you never ever respond to the reasonable criticisms of others, while simply claiming that all of your conclusions are “The Truth.”  

            Furthermore, if Vigue says he will not use any privatization statute, it is not “a lie” unless and until he then uses a privitization statute. It is only a lie in your biased mind. You aren’t fooling anyone with your “knowledge” of the “facts,” where you don’t even know the correct names of the legislators that you quote.

          • Brandon. just more warped false circular manipulative playground bully nonsense from you.  

            example  from your very typical comment above

            ” for instance your claims that unions are the only way for workers to
            get a fair wage, which goes a long way toward explaining your disdain
            for businesses and their employees trying to earn a living in a hobbled
            economy like Maine’s”

            I have never ever said that here or anywhere..in fact here and everywhere I say we need to re envision management labor relations in a way that gives all workers a real stake in production and a real share of profit.

            That’s just you making stuff up..mud slinging. besmirching.. Brandon the  playground bully.

            You are really tedious and obnoxious, whatever your affiliations. 

            I do just opposite of you.  I try to provide real world links to actual fcats so people can make up their own minds and discover the truth for themselves.  And as you can see from every single blog about the East West Highway, that is working.

             More and more people are doing their own homework and forming their own opinions responsibly..including meeting with and asking questions of MDOT and their legislators.  I respect everyone of those people whatever position they eventually take.  But as you can see, everyone who is doing their homework, and that does not include you, obviously, finds only more questions and distrust about this highway.

            I do not respect you or your tactics. You are just a troller and a nuisance.

          • Anonymous

            “I am all for ESOPS and for re envisioning labor-management relationships in a way that gives workers a real stake in growth and profits. Of course, as you know, that means non union and non fair wage workers  for the bulk of labor on any job.”  ~Lindsay Newland Bowker, July 15, 2012

            That statement of yours sounds a heck of a lot like you contend that Mainers can’t get a fair wage if they are non-union.  Again, it’s clear that you concoct your rhetoric to suit your needs, which really gets tedious and obnoxious.  Yes, I too do my homework, Lindsay.  But I don’t consider you a nuisance.  I consider you to be a source of misinformation whose fallacies need to be examined closely with reasoned rebuttals for all to see.

          • That might be interesting to try..I am looking for anything you might consider a reasonable rebuttal..you know something other than mud slinging..you are a troller and a nusiance..

            Good bye Brandon

          • Anonymous

            I consider the above discussion (which uses your own quotes to prove that you concoct
            “facts” as you go along) as a reasonable rebuttal.

          •  Brandon..that interpretation of my statement emerges not from my statement but from your clouded circular logic.

            Good bye Brandon..I am through with you on this discussion..

    • Justin Haggerty

      I’m still wondering how this will bring new traffic to Maine? I’m sure cutting through a bunch of small towns to let a few more Canadians and transportation trucks won’t benefit us and ALL those millions of the costs going into it.

      We are but a big rest stop on the geographical map. A giant tourist attraction for 3 months of the year. Northern Maine is still slowly dying and won’t help here. Central Maine will benefit just fractions, and Southern Maine will still be the only place the Quebec and Onterio providences will care to travel to. Unless a ton of NEW shipping business were to somehow sprout out of this road, then I don’t see a cost benefit to this roadway.

      • Anonymous

         The theory put forward by Vigue at the Dover Foxcroft public meeting is that ongoing expansion that is now underway at the Panama Canal and the Suez Canal will create the opportunity to reroute significant global shipping away from congested established ports in the USA toward ports like Eastport, if Eastport is connected to the dense population/midwestern markets via the EW Highway.  Another advantage that Eastport has is its deep water, which has the potential of handling new super-sized cargo ships which other ports on the east coast cannot handle.  Developing Eastport into a true gateway for goods entering the USA could provide significant economic opportunities throughout the region…so the argument goes.

    • Briney

      Stay rural and give us back our mural.

      • Anonymous

        Typical whiny liberal

        • Briney

          The “Whiny” Tea Party bully is hiding in Augusta.   Just like when he hid out in a Canadian lumberyard during ‘Nam.  

          The bully is just as scared now,  as he was back then.  Scared to take a stand against his Canadian pals who blockaded our lobster shipments to Canadian canneries.  Too scared to intervene when the RCMP made our guys turn their loaded trucks around and kicked them out of Canada.

          Only Sen.  Snowe and Rep. Pingree took the bull by the horns.  Snowe got an injunction.  Asked the Secretary of State to intervene.  And, Pingree got the RCMP to guarantee safe passage for our lobster fishermen in Canada.

          Whiny Le Page – the man who dares tell the poor, the sick, and the elderly where to go – was hiding out somewhere, like Linus with his blanket.

          Whiny’s gang is  too busy forcing ID cards down our throats,  trying to shove old people off the roads, restrict voter registration, than having the guts to stick up for our lobster fishermen. 

          Typical Tea Party courage.  You’re all a bunch of childish, whimpering, lost souls.

    • Lord Whiteman

        The local county sheriff will be “depopulating” rural Maine when the Canadians bulldozers show up at their  door step with an court ordered eviction notice.

  • Anonymous

    This road isn’t going to change Maine all that much because with world wide peak oil slowly becoming a fact, even despite the new “tight” oil in North Dakota, gasoline and diesel is headed for $8 a gallon or more, thanks to Chindia now beginning to get its fair share of the remaining world oil production.  (“Total liquid fuel production” has yet to peak, but that’s only because of ethanol and biodiesel – two fuels that are a net energy loss being added into the world fuel mix as well as a bit of natural gas plant liquids.) There are no viable, cheap, scalable energy alternatives to liquid fuels for long distance road transport and that includes electric cars and trucks.

    Traffic on this road will never live up to expectations. My guess if this road is built 10 years out from now, traffic numbers won’t come anywhere close.

    • Anonymous

      Exactly and in 10 years the ‘private owners’ will be looking to unload this ‘highway’ and the tax payers will be left holding the bag as usual.  Maybe the Maine Turnpike Authority can take it over and have Paul Violette run it…he should be out of prison by then.

    • Anonymous

      Come on.  Peak oil is more than a century away, even longer.  The peak oil data does not include shale oil, tar sands and oil that has been taken off the market for political reasons. We are pumping oil in the Dakotas that isn’t even counted in the data. Real funny. Try counting the Oil from the South China Sea or Israel which has reserves as large as Saudi Arabia that hasn’t come on line yet.
      Peak Oil is a liberal myth.

      • Anonymous

        I wonder whether it’s an actual myth. Is the reverse myth “oil is everywhere, zillions of barrels everywhere. All “we” have to do is get it out by whatever method gets it out the cheapest(whoever “we” is)!”?  Never mind the wasteland that would result (check what is being done to northern Alberta). we’ll leave in the wake of it all. “We” don’t really care about that. If we did, it wouldn’t  matter because we can’t do better than digging oil, gas, or anything else out of  the ground. We’re neither bright enough nor imaginative enough, I’m afraid.  Those who are get short shrift, because they usually envision a humanity operating on different assumptions than the mindless consumerism we idealize. Yahoo.

      • Anonymous

         The Dakotas’ oil is counted.  It has actually contributed to a rise in US oil production of over 600,000 bbls a day as of this past spring, but it’s still not enough to get the US anywhere near the nearly 9 million bbls a day we produced back in 1970.

        In any case, the subject is this road, and I just don’t think that there is nearly the business and traffic for this road that the proponents think. 

        And don’t look now, but diesel is back over $4 a gallon and climbing quickly.

        • Anonymous

          “I just don’t think that there is nearly the business and traffic for this road that the proponents think.”

          If there isn’t enough business and traffic for the road, then investors will not invest in it, and you would have nothing to worry about. 

        • Anonymous

          No It isn’t counted for peak oil stats because of the methodology that draws it from the ground. We are pumping it but it is not counted in reserves.

    • Anonymous

      The road is already on the market to sell to any country with the most money 

  • Will help middle Maine but kill RT 1 down Machias way!  What is going to help down that way?

    • Anonymous

      no it won’t it is not a public road and you won’t be able to use it to travel Maine

      • Anonymous

         completely false.

  • Anonymous

    Well since I-95 was added…Millinocket, East Millinocket, Crystal, Benedicta, Sherman, Island Falls, Smyrna, Oakfield and Houlton are just BOOMING…..I’m sure it will be no different  for the towns near the East-West highway…….RIGHT.

    • Anonymous

       That’s exactly what I was wondering about too.  How people see this new road doing anything that 95 hasn’t done for the areas you mention is beyond me.

      As I said elsewhere too, there is every reason to believe that gas and diesel are about to become very costly over the next decade as well, so if 95 couldn’t save southern Aroostook, what can we possibly expect of this road, especially in an era of $5 to $8 diesel?

      • Anonymous

         “…what can we possibly expect of this road, especially in an era of $5 to $8 diesel?”

        All the more reason for Canadian truckers to be diverted through Maine rather than wasting fuel driving up and over the top of Maine…

    • Anonymous

       I suppose you would prefer that I-95 didn’t exist, right?

      • Anonymous

        BrandonStewart – Junior would you please reinstate Maine’s beautiful rail system, rebuild the Bangor train yard and it’s beautiful passenger terminal, repair the winding Rt 2 between Bangor and Houlton. Then you can keep your I-95 , its lack of progress and its destruction to communities and the family businesses that once thrived in these backwoods villages. Herby Newal (Urban Renewal) and his fancy highway did nothing which benefited Maine, its businesses, or its people. Nor, will any other freakin’ scheme which does not put Maine and its people first!!

        • Anonymous

          Sammy, why has Maine’s rail system become such a decrepit joke if it’s such a godsend to our economy?  Why don’t the railroad firms see fit to invest in their own rails and rolling stock so that they might actually be able to compete for Maine’s freight business?  Why do the potato farmers in Aroostook County point to I-95 as the best way to get their product to market if highways are just a progress blocker?  Sounds like you are too busy living in nostalgia to think about finding modern solutions to modern economic problems.

          • Anonymous

            Junior,
            The rail system is such a decrepit joke because of many events which include the destruction of trolley systems by GM (which once prevailed in many Maine communities), deregulation of the railroads, and other such acts which abandoned service to all communities to only those which served a worthy PROFIT. The farmers in the County point to I-95 as the best way to market because it is the only way for them. I do not see highways as a progress blocker. They serve us well in the york and cumberland county as a means of circumventing congested areas filled with money spending tourists. However, the remote areas of Maine should not be circumvented with by passes and highways. They need all the business they can acquire and the traffic in these small towns to not impede the motorist as it does in Portland or Kittery. 

          • Anonymous

             Interesting…your fellow anti-highway people speak as if the only jobs the highway will create are a few measly gas stations; yet you speak as if the highway will divert the very economic life blood away from rural Maine.  The way I understand it is that the highway will bring new traffic to Maine, including significant amounts of trucking that now travels within Canada, up and over the top of Maine to reach midwestern environs. 

            Also interesting that you discuss how I-95 is the only way for Aroostook County farmers to get their product to market, and yet, you feel that the highway “did nothing which benefited Maine, its businesses, or its people.”

            As for earning a worthy profit, what would you prefer…that businesses try to succeed and try to employ Mainers by not earning a profit?  Your points are eluding me, Sam.    

    • Anonymous

      Thanks, your observation may have just saved hundreds of thousands of dollars on an impact study for an E-W Highway!

  • Anonymous

    Just a matter of time before she is built!!!!!!

  • Anonymous

    The Northern part of this great state is dying. To save it, we must establish new blood flow to the dying areas. Install a new artery to get the blood pumping!

    • Anonymous

       You mean like I-95 has done?

      (Sorry, I don’t mean to laugh.)

      • Anonymous

        I’ll laugh with you  Bahahahahahahahhahahaha  :)

      • Anonymous

         The problem with I-95 once you are north of Bangor it basically goes nowhere. Its economically speaking  the end of the line. An East-West Highway has a destination on either end. 

        • Anonymous

          you won’t be allowed on the road, don’t you get it? not for public use so you will still be using I 95

          • Anonymous

             Not sure that true. Where did you read that?

          • Anonymous

            limited use, commerical use, It it were so he would be using it as a selling point. also there will be only seven points of entry in Maine for the entire Road.  Bangor area has 14 on 95 an 395.

          • Anonymous

             That is not limited “use”….it is limited “access”.   *face palm*

          • Anonymous

            Such is the collective intelligence of the people opposed to this !!

          • Anonymous

            Anyone who has followed this debate over the past few months will realize that Redbutton is particularly uninformed.

          • Anonymous

            If a private company charges a toll for use you can use it.  Not any different when you get on the state toll highway other than what they would charge for a toll really.

        • Anonymous

           What destination?  Cross @ coburn gore and you will find a small 2 lane country road, small towns and slow going to montreal or any where else.  Log jam. Then what?

          • Anonymous

             Read the route.

          • Anonymous

            If recent history holds true. Canada will have a 4 lane limited access highway up and running long before this road is built. They don’t seem to have the legions of ‘NO’ that we have.

            On the eastern end of the equasion you have New Brunswick connected to the new bridge at Calais. They are in the process of having 4 lane limited access highway completed all the way to Nova Scotia. On the US side we have 90+ miles of state of the art highway (for 1949) between Calais and Brewer where you can pick up the interstate. If and when they ever settle on a route to connect that interstate to Rt. 9 the distance will be reduced by a few miles.

        • Thats Right!

           Canada!

          And we aren’t in the plan!

          LOL!

      • jimbobhol

        Actually I-95 North, since they increased the weight limit and speed limit, has increased quite a  lot. Also removed these large trucks off the local roads thru these small towns.

    • Anonymous

      Then perhaps they should run I-95 through to Fort Kent as that is northern Maine….I fail to see how an east-west highway will ‘save’ northern Maine.

      • Anonymous

        It won’t, nor will it save Aroostook Co.

      • Anonymous

        It will be like a line drawn in the sand, north of the highway Peter will try his best to help the enviros to turn into a national park. notice how quite they are only a peep here and there. he already allied up with them.

        • Anonymous

           Your silly fantasies don’t deserve a response.

    • Anonymous

      giving Canada a 2000 foot wide path through the heart of Maine, that even our Maine State Government has no say over  will pump blood where? into canada maybe.
      You and I won’t be able to jump onto this highway to use like the Maine turnpike. It is not going to be a public road. It will be part of Canada. that way they won’t need to stop at the boarders.

      • Anonymous

        Everything single thing you said is wrong.

        • Anonymous

           His spelling and grammar could stand some help, too.

          • Anonymous

            I’m glad that is the best you’ve got. no substance on the subject tells me you are trolling for Peter.

          • Anonymous

            Warren (aka Buddy) never offers anything of substance- he’s just a homophobic, snarky,  troll……nothing more than waste of comment space

          • Anonymous

            People who have read Warren (aka Buddy)’s comments on these threads know that he is a career civil engineer, which is likely to make him infinitely more qualified to speak about this highway idea than you are.

          • Anonymous

            Well Brandy…I believe Buddy’s ‘engineering comments’ were about grammar and spelling…..and nothing more- which is typical.  Civil engineers are a dime a dozen in this state…perhaps you can start a fan club.

          • Anonymous

            By the way, Buddy’s comments about your friend’s semi-literate grammar and spelling were highly accurate.

          • Anonymous

            …and by the way… when one has nothing of substance to offer in a discussion one begins to pick apart spelling and grammar-what a brilliant strategy.  Clearly Warren is the only person in the world with spell check and remedial grammar skills as this was a story about grammar and spelling.  *** Next troll.

            Ps. Perhaps people, such as yourself, who offer such strong opinions should live north of York County as they would have no clue how the rest of the state would be impacted by such a highway. ***

          • Anonymous

             Other people who have nothing to offer resort to name-calling instead of offering reasonable arguments… “he’s just a homophobic, snarky,  troll……nothing more than waste of comment space”…. does that ring a bell?

          • Anonymous

            I call a spade a spade and like it or not THAT is all and what your friend is…..***

            Again move NORTH of Sanford

          • Anonymous

             You are completely uninformed in this matter.  The right of way being sought is 500 feet, not 2000 feet.  Anyone will be able to use the highway if they want to pay the toll, just like the Maine Turnpike.  The road will be subject to the laws of the land like any other property inside the borders of the USA.  Your claim that the land will suddenly become part of Canada would be hilarious if it weren’t so ridiculous.

          • Anonymous

            Junior, the Maine Turnpike helps to navigate around communities buzzing with thriving businesses and highways filled with money spending tourists. You have neither of these along the proposed route for the E-W Highway. Stick with the I-95 run from Bangor to Houlton for your analogies and comparisons. 

          • Anonymous

             Sam, the turnpike and other highways also help tourists to get where they are going to spend their money, as I saw last weekend when wall to wall traffic could be seen on I-95 in New Hampshire and Southern Maine on Saturday as out-of-staters flocked to Maine, and on Sunday as the visitors all left Maine to go back home.  I’ll bet there are some tourism businesses along the proposed EW Highway route that would like some of that traffic heading in their direction.

            But the point of the discussion I was having with Red Buttons is that it is ridiculous to assume that our government will have absolutely no jurisdiction over the EW highway (seems to me that state and federal law will continue to apply within our borders, as it does with any other private property within our borders).  It is also common knowledge that the proposed ROW is 500 feet, not the 2000 feet that Buttons claims.  Stick to the discussion at hand for your analogies and comparisons…it’ll be better for the debate.

        • Anonymous

          It is 100% true.

    • Anonymous

       this road goes nowhere near the northern part of the state

    • Guest

      This isn’t for the benefit of Northern Maine. This cuts through the heart of Maine and is only a benefit for Canada.

      • Anonymous

        So none of the Maine based companies that send goods to Canada will benefit?

      • Anonymous

        On what proven facts do you base your self-claimed expertise?

        I can insist that rocks are capable of thinking and basic instinct but I’d be wrong..and look quite foolish for insisting that I was correct.

    • Canadian Arteries though Maine only supply blood to Canada!

      I suppose that the Red Corpsuckles can wave on the way by for encouragement!

      LOL

    • Believe it or not, that’s what I-95 was suppossed to do when it was built. It was supposed to go to Madawaska and hook into the Trans-Can at that point. It never did and this is what we’re stuck with .

      • Anonymous

        If memory serves me a proposed extension of 395 from outer Wilson Street in Brewer connecting with Hogan Road to provide easy access for tourists between has never happened. I believe a proposal to connect outer Wilson Street to the Airline routing tourist traffic away from Bangor and Brewer and providing Canadians a direct route between a seasonal area (Bar Harbor) and New Brunswick is still on the table. I recall at some point in recent history a somebody saying that the best way to balance the economy in Maine would be to cut the state in two and float everything north of Augusta out into the Atlantic. Getting close, kids!

  • Anonymous

    I will let the members of the Millinocket Fin & Feather Club speak in my behalf. They are the experts in the East-West road proposal.

  • Briney

    First, Vigue says the road is 220-miles long.   But he does not know the precise route.  How can you calculate the distance, unless you know the route?

    Second, Sen. Doug Thomas, R-Ripley, along with Vigue and Le Page, and many others, scoff at   using “Eminent Domain ”  to seize land.  

    Thomas says the state legislature would never permit this.  Instead, highway  proponents cling to a more pleasant sounding  term.  It is:  “Right of Way.”   

    But as nice as it may sound, it means obtaining an “easement” from private property owners to cut through their property.  Easement sounds better than “Eminent Domain.”  But despite the interpretation, it still means that private lands would either be taken by Eminent Domain, or, by securing a Right of Way.  Hard to imagine farmers and landowners permitting a Right of Way across their front lawn.    Plus, such rights  do not preclude running oil lines, gas lines, transmission cables along such a Right Of Way. 

    Vigue and LePage are pledged in changing Maine.  The vast swath of pristine beauty which is  Western Maine, is just too much to stomach.  Men who prefer concrete blocks and windowless shoe factories, the smell, stink, and pollution that dominates other states is their idea of progress. 

    What could Dover-Foxcroft derive from such a highway? 

    • Anonymous

       Draw a pencil line on a map. Take a out measuring tool. Best guess.

      If you have trouble with simple notion how can you deal with more complex issues?

      • Anonymous

         http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/281294

      • Anonymous

        he ask what Dover=foxcroft would gain fron a 2000 foot wide sewer line running through it’s town

        • Anonymous

          ” First, Vigue says the road is 220-miles long.   But he does not know the
          precise route.  How can you calculate the distance, unless you know the
          route?”  ~~~Briney

          Briney is suspicious of math. C’s in HS I bet.

          As for the 2k right of way. The possible proposal is actually 500 on the west side of the Penobscot from what I’ve read. The 2K right of way comes from the existing right of way along the studmill road which is part of the proposed route.
          If you have concerns there… power lines and natural gas already traverse that route. How do you think Bangor Gas gets their product from Nova Scotia? Beyond that Bangor is connected to the nationwide natural gas net to the south though I don’t know where the hook up is. Anyone?

          • Anonymous

            The bill allows 2000 feet of right of way.

          • Anonymous

             Please get your facts straight.  The proposed right of way for this road is 500 feet.

    • I believe that Doug Thomas is a Dimwitted Pawn!

      I think his chainsaw kicked back and hit him in the head!

      LOL

  • Anonymous

    “private toll highway”
    why not just have dot build a highway, charge tolls that will go back into the state, and we’ll have a toll road that we own.
    Vital highway infrastructure should not be private, as it only serves to take money away from the people and enrich the pockets of the few. 

    • Anonymous

      And where might the state acquire the enormous mountain of money required to build this?

      • Anonymous

        It’s called debt. we have enough, but unless you want your children, grandchildren, and generations to follow to constantly be in debt to a private company for their transportation, then we must not allow it to happen.

        I’d rather go into debt for a while and have a highway that the state owns and operates than burden the citizens for the rest of time to pay some private company to do it.

        • Anonymous

          So you expected a bankrupt state to take on the 2 billion dollar price tag to build this highway? The only entity that can afford this is a private investor.

          • States don’t go Bankrupt!

            There is NO provision for such an action.

            The only reason that we go in the red is to give away Tax Breaks so that a few miscreants and corporations can get rich and replace the government and its roads for a chance to get even richer! 

          • Anonymous

             Don’t forget the vast amount of money the government spends to help people survive when there are no jobs, to help provide them with healthcare and to help feed their kids when there isn’t enough income coming into a household to allow families to feed their own kids.  That’s the situation that we see in the poorer areas of Maine where one in four Maine kids go hungry, according to a recent report cited by the Good Shepherd Food Bank which also says that every county in Maine has children at risk of hunger…a total of more than 61,000 hungry kids in all, across the state. 

            What’s your plan to turn things around for those kids, Dlbrt?

          • End all Trade Agreements and become a soveriegn country once again and take care of our own!

            Whats yours?

            Give it to private enterprise to rape and run?

          • Anonymous

            Your “plan” is not a plan.  It’s a dodge.  As for me, I’m willing to give this EW Highway idea the benefit of the doubt for now.  It sounds better than any fiscal plan that I’ve heard from ANY anti-highway person so far.

    • Anonymous

       A contract with the owners can be made to say anything. A percentage of tolls goes to the state or maybe a limit on toll increases contractually… any thing.

      • Anonymous

        that still means it’s owned by a private company.

        how much money has the mta gotten in through tolls?
        weren’t the tolls supposed to go away once the turnpike was paid off? 

        and yet here we are, 60 years later, still paying ever-increasing tolls.
        is that what you want?

        • Anonymous

          Highway maintenance is where the tolls are supposed to go. I don’t like paying for bond issues to pay to mow the grass.

          It could be a private public thing… The contract is the final arbiter.

      • jimbobhol

        They also will be paying land taxes to the State along with increased in fuel usage seeing how fuel is cheaper in the U.S. .

    • jimbobhol

      The State is broke 

      • Republican Globalisation Broke it!

        • jimbobhol

          Clinton signed NAFTA in 1993. Been downhill ever since.

          • By the time Clinton Signed it, it was a done deal by Bush!

          • Anonymous

             Exactly!   Clyde MacDonald, George Mitchell’s main Maine field representative assured me that NAFTA would be the best thing that every happened to Maine’s economy.   Clyde MacDonald, a BIG big D Democrat.

          • He was nothing more than brainwashed!

            I recall the debates in the senate over NAFTA at that time. the lobbyist distorted the truth with manipulated data and some Democrats bought it hook line and sinker!

          • Anonymous

             Preposterous.  George Mitchell, a Bowdoin graduate, a judge and Senate Majority leader was NOT brainwashed.  In hindsight, we know he was wrong, but in no way was he “brainwashed”.  I think even he would offended by your comment.

        • Anonymous

          How is it then, that other states are quite prosperous.  People have jobs in other states.  I contend that our state government has made it impossible or less rewarding to operate any business in Maine.  That’s why our economy is left with health care (subsidized by the government), retail, and education (subsidized by the government) as our growth “industries”.   Old industrial companies are closing gradually and/or just hanging on.

    • You are absolutely right!

      It is the basic right of freedom of the American People to be able to get about this country on public roads! Thats why the Constitution speaks of the power of congress to establish post offices and postal roads and the power to tax and to promote the general welfare to do it!

      We are entering into another robber baron age of economic exploitation of America!

      It is predominately the Republican Party that supports these Robber Barons!

      • Anonymous

        Good luck convincing your fellow Mainers to cough up 2 billion dollars in funding…

        • Your right! We don’t need to build an East West  road for Canada!

          • Anonymous

            Everybody, all together now…”Maine taxpayers will NOT pay for this road! Private money WILL pay for this road which will create revenue for Maine!!!

            Let’s say it again……..”Maine taxpayers will NOT pay for this road! Private money WILL pay for this road which will create revenue for Maine!!!

            Let’s say it again……..”Maine taxpayers will NOT pay for this road! Private money WILL pay for this road which will create revenue for Maine!!! 

            Let’s say it again…….and again, and again…..

          • Do you really beleive everything that politicians tell you? There are whole websites devoted to sorting out the truth from the lies of these miscreants!

            Vigue isn’t even running for office so he doesnt even have a stake in that game and he can  mislead with impunity!

            Try reading the  statutes, why don’t you , to see what is allowed by law and you may find some truths as this certainly IS the legal framework that will be used.

            http://www.mainelegislature.org/legis/statutes/23/title23sec4251.html

            Yes , it’s true!

            Eminent Domain may be used and Taxpayer money as well!

          • Anonymous

            Despite all your attempts at obfuscation Maine taxpayers and voters will determine the truth much to your impending dismay.

            Emily Cain can probably get you a compassionate box of tissues.

  • Anonymous

    How do you spell boondoggle?

    B-O-O-N-D-O-G-G-L-E!

    • Anonymous

      Boondoggle is done with public money. This is private money…

  • Anonymous

    This Project will have no economicbenefit to Maine the Canadian Trucks will be able to fule up in Canada and make it all the way through Maine without needing fuel this project is going to line the pockets of a few individuals and Canada and after last weeks LOBSTER BLOCKADE im all set on helping and canadian economy..NO WAY go around or use our current highway system

    • Anonymous

       Fuel in Maine is significantly cheaper than in Canada.  The trucks would refuel in Maine. 

  • Anonymous

    Amongst all you intelligent people out there, no one has been able to tell me who gives the final approval to this highway.  What individual or group will give this the green or red light?
    Please, somebody tell me!

    • Anonymous

      That’s a very good question,and one certainly worth the effort to look into. This highway project has the potential to adversely effect a lot of property owners who use the Stud Mill Road to get to their property and hundreds of hunters and fishermen who travel that road also. This project should not go forward without giving the citizens of our state a chance to vote on it.  

      • BW

         I own 1100 acres along the studmill and I own 1.5 miles along the studmill.  No one has talked to me or asked me about building on my property… the right of way is no where near 500 feet wide. 

    • Anonymous

      As I understand it if the $300,000 study that we are paying for says this is a great plan, the Maine Legislature would have to vote to make it a public/private partnership, as I can see no other option. Once that had been done the corridor could be developed and the road built. No other approvals would be needed!

      I hold Mr Vigue in very high regard, for his business ability. I can guarantee everyone that he has thought about this for years and is years ahead of everybody else in thinking about the future in reference to this project. I can also guarantee anyone that he has spent a lot of time thinking about other uses of this corridor. The road is what is being used to sell the project to gullible people. But the road will never make much money, ever. The real money is in “other uses” such as electrical transmission lines, fiber optic data transmission lines, natural gas pipeline, and especially the pipeline proposed by Transcanada Corp last month, to build a crude oil pipeline from Southern Alberta to St John, NB, to carry Baakken shale oil to the Irving refinery in St John, NB.  Irving is shipping crude oil to St John, across Maine right now. It is being transported by 100 car railroad tank trains right now.  Irving expects to have 15 of trains weekly across Maine to St John by next month. Some of this oil is shipped on the former CP railine through Brownville, while the rest is shipped north from MA up through Waterville, Bangor etc.

      It costs 50% less to ship crude oil in a pipeline compared to railroad. Irving is deadly serious about shipping midwest crude oil to St John, across Maine.  Irving will be one of Vigue’s biggest “investors”.

      Do the  math and figure it out for yourself. It is so plain that a blind man could see it.

  • Anonymous

    The best part of this hokey deal is Vigue telling the folks up north that they don’t know exactly where the highway is going to be located. They know right to the foot-if they don’t they have no business in the construction business. 

    • Very true since he claims he has no knowledge of the Highway’s route yet has a map of the route behind him at evey meeting. Construction, no. Tonka toys, yes. 

      • Anonymous

        The Army Corp of Engineers would take 10 years to deal with this-and then turn it down. Look at Plumb Creek-this dwarfs that project.  What really scares me is how easy it would be to drag in hundreds-if not thousands  of wind turbines if this thing ever happens. 

        • Anonymous

          Well the army corp of Engineers has no say in this matter. It is a sovereign land according to the bill passed in the Maine house and senate, neither will the DEP.  Peter is asking that the State of Maine to give away their rights to the land and any say in the Matter. Peter can sell the property to any country who bids the highest as a sovereign territory of that nation.

          • jimbobhol

            You can”t sell  U. S. land to another country without a treaty. You can sell to a foreign company, but it still U.S. territory and they will pay taxes like everyone else. 

          • Anonymous

            Why don’t you quote any source (including the bill passed in the Maine legislature) that allegedly supports your ridiculous claim that the highway corridor would become a sovereign land.

        • I gaurantee you that’s the plan!

          Charelston Hill  is about 1000 ft above everything for 60 miles in every direction!

          A blind man can see the plan!

      • Anonymous

         Mike, your lack of expertise on the subject is showing again.  The maps we’ve seen so far are general in nature and reflective of Vigue’s claim that the proposed route is a work in progress. 

    • Anonymous

      “They know right to the foot-if they don’t they have no business in the construction business.”

      That’s right… let’s hear you tell Peter Vigue how to run a construction business.  What makes you such an expert?

      • Anonymous

        Obviously you are in the business or work for Cianbro-or have some other ax to grind. I had a ton of respect for this man before this proposal. He says that no land will be taken by eminent domain. REALLY? He’s are very smart guy, but maybe the folks he’s trying to hoodwink are a little sharper than he thought. Think about it-Mr. Vigue knows when the exact route is announced the $^%$ will hit the fan.

        • Anonymous

          Do you know of any time in the history of Maine newspapers that Vigue has gone against any promises he has made to the public?  Isn’t it true that he has created and maintained jobs for thousands of Mainers over the years?  You might not be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, but many other Mainers are willing, including me.

          • Anonymous

            Your are correct in what you say. A whole bunch of Space Shuttles flew before one blew up too. I have a neighbor who worked in the state planning office that I highly respect.He has a PHD-pretty bright guy They did these feasibility studies back in the 90s and decided that this highway would not bring that much to the state. In addition- he maintains that the environmental aspect will never get by the Army Corp of Engineers-like never.

          • Anonymous

            Westshores, if the proposal doesn’t survive the permitting process,
            then so be it.  But it is not dishonorable to put the idea in front of
            Maine people and try to do something that might help our state’s broken
            economy.  At least someone is trying to come up with economic solutions, which is more than can be said for practically every last one of the opponents of this proposal.

          • Anonymous

            I’d love for you to be right on this. Have good weekend

          • Anonymous

            By the way, he still has his PHD…lol can’t type for squat…

  • Anonymous

    This road is not intended for eveyday use by the public,  You can’t just jump on it and drive 50 miles . not for a 120 dollar toll.  so it’s not a toll road like every other road listed in the story. trucks only.

    Peter needs to convince the people of Maine it’s OK. Thats his job in all this.  Yes he will be seeking the contract ot build the project, but thats it. The full intent of the legislation he had passed last year was to take away any rights of the Maine State Government or property owners  if approved.
    The reason he is trying to sell this project is that the Canadian Government couldn’t sell Mainers on the project.. Peter wants to sell a 2000 foot right of way to the Canadian Government which in turn become part of Canada.

    Then St. Johns can open a deep water port for Chinese products in route to new york and jersey
    Irving can pipe oil and shale oil  hydro quebec can run lines through none of it meant for Mainers.. This is just one big sell off before he retires.
    and peter cianchet owner of the company doesn’t want maine republican voices to be heard by trying to disqualify ron paul supporters.

    Then Peter will retire hundreds of millons of dollars richer outside of Maine.
    Only one person getting rich here.

    Time to say no to people who want to give maine to canada

    • Anonymous

      Just because a truck pays $150 doesn’t mean you will.

      • Anonymous

        I won’t be allow on the Toll road. it is not for normal everyday use

        • Anonymous

          Why wouldn’t the owners of the road want your toll money?  Your claim is just silly, on top of being completely false.

          • Anonymous

            Once again Bangor area has 14 on an 14 off ramps this truck road has 7. The trucks comming from Canada aren’t allowed off the highway due to customs.

          • Anonymous

             You really are working without accurate information and what you do know you misunderstand. Give it a rest.

    • Just got back from a death in the family, but you are more right than you know or could suspect. The Highway Act is, in practical terms, requiring Maine to handover COMPLETE SOVEREIGNTY of the entire route, thus splitting Maine in 2, to Cianbro for their use and benefit, to include their selling it at a later date, with Maine or the US Gov’t not havng any say in it at all with the sole exception being eminent domain being available only during the land acquisition process.  But the Act requires Maine to provide whatever aid it can during this process so guess what’s going to be used that Vigue and Thomas so loudly proclaim isin’t under consideration ?
      It means that Northern Maine is now in all but formal political designation an annex of New Brunswick. Given Cianbro’s Crisis Team they assembled, I’m pretty sure that the arguement’s for that are already in the drafting stage’s. Those of you that remember East & West Germany, here we go again !

      And if anyone has bothered to start looking at recent Land Deed Tranfser’s and Records of Sale’s at the local Courthouse’s, my bet is $ 1 to $50 that there are any number of these Transfer’s of Title going on or recently completed on the book’s. Follow the money and you never go wrong. Follow the politician and all you wind up in is walking in manure. Who stands to make money of ouf this, both short term, and long term and pretty soon you get to see a pretty ugly picture of just Vigue’s legacy is going to be, and it ain’t gonna be a more prosperous Maine. Who stand’s to make money out of an unregulated pipeline ? Who stand’s to make money out of an unregulated highway ? Follow the money. And don’t feel bad if you think you got suckered. Vigue and his crony’s have been at this for a long time. They just forgot that even the most common of citizen has a memory and ability to use it by asking a simple question. ‘Why’? The rest just requires persistence.  

      • Anonymous

        Where is this “Highway Act” you speak of?  In just about all the east/west articles that pop up you rant about it, but i’ve never seen a link to it.  Maybe you’ve posted it before, but i’d like to see this act that you’re referencing

        • http://www.mainelegislature.org/legis/statutes/23/title23sec4251.html

          Wrtten by the highway associated road builders and cianbro  themselves!

          Yessah!

        • Anonymous

          The “public/private partnership” laws are in Title 23 as the link refers to here.  Mr Vigue and the commissioner of MDOT have gone on record as stating that the “public/private legislation that WE NEED TO BUILD THIS is already in place”.  He is obviously referring to these laws.

          The way it would work is like this. The study would have to come back saying that this is a “viable project” and then the Maine Legislature would have to vote to make the east/west highway a “public private partnership” under the statutes as spelled out in Title 23. Mr Vigue us technically correct when he states that  THEY (meaning the owners/developers of the east/west highway would NOT use eminent domain. But he is hair splitting when he says that. The Language in Title 23 makes it crystal clear, to any reasonable person, that MDOT has the power to use eminent domain to assist a public private partnership. The state DOT would be able to take the property from unwilling sellers, and allow the private developers to use that property, taken that way, for a “transportation project” just like the one Vigue proposes.

          Read the statutes at the linked sight below and see for yourself. Word on the street is that Mr Vigue was the primary author of this legislation, passed in 2009 by the Maine legislature, with no fanfair, no hearing and no publicity.

          A ten year old child can see all of this as it is so obvious if you think about it a bit.

          • jimbobhol

            SCOTUS has already said they can do just what you said. So what’s your point?

          • Anonymous

            The public/private partnership laws, in Title 23, that I made reference to, are the statutes that allow the “department” (MDOT) to use “eminent domain” to assist a “public/private transportation” project in Maine.

            My understanding is that the Maine legislature would first have to vote to accept this as a “public/private partnership” under those particular statutes before the state could actually use the power. Just because the SCOTUS ruled the way they did on taking of private property, does not mean the state can acutally do it. They need a series of statutes to allow them to do so……….like the statutes in Title 23, that I mentioned. If you think that it is just a long coincidence that Peter Vigue had a hand in drafting those laws, and at the same tim is the chief proponent of this project, then I have some shorefront land in Arizone for sale.

        • Highway Privatization Act; written by Cianbro’s legislative people and submitted thru their Augusta campaign contributor’s. Read in both House’s, no hearing’s and no comment but passed in less than 30 days. It provides for the COMPLETE SUSPENSION OF ALL MAINE LAW, BOTH CIVIL AND CRIMINAL, and surrenders all claims on the land to Cianbro. It also provides the much maligned 2000 ft easement for the entire distance across Maine, so yes, if you loved the 2 Germany’s, get ready for round 2 cause it’s coming. The Act also provides for the use of emminent domain to be used by Maine in the event that Cianbro can’t acquire the land thru negotiation and sale. In short, Cianbro has Maine do it’s dirty work legally.

          • Anonymous

            Mike, please show us any wording in any law you care to choose which will
            allow for the complete suspension of all Maine law, both civil and
            criminal, anytime within the next zillion years.  Your claim is
            completely ludicrous.

            Let me ask you this:  If the Highway Act provides for the complete
            suspension of all Maine Law, then the Act itself would be suspended,
            would it not?  Hahahahaha!

      • I had a lawyer stop by a few years ago asking me about selling  some elevated property  for a wind project, I sent him packing!

           I beleive that his vision was a wind Farm all along the top of the east west hills of Dexter, Garland, Charelston,  Bradford. Look it up in the Maine Atlas. Bull hill, Hatch Hill, High Cut,ect. ect,  My brother a government soil expert informed me that the hills where a common  east / West geological ridge system formation from the recedeing glaciers

        This is in close proximity to the proposed east west corridor and in retrospect a viable place to tie into an east west utiities corridor / windfarm!
        As the ridge runs east west within close proximity to the proposed route and cianbro ha s already bought the government airforce base in Moscow with the intent to build a wind farm there a reasonable person could conclude that the east west corridor could by an electical tie in with drop leggs to come down to the southern populated areas at a later date.

        I beleive that somebody has gone to alot of work to design a monopoly and to hide it from the general public until it’s to late!

      • Anonymous

         Mike, you are no better informed than during your last rant.  A simple highway is going to turn Maine into communist Germany, hmm? Hahahaha.  What an imagination.  As for your Land Deed conspiracy theories, why don’t you tell us what “smoking guns” you have found at your local courthouse when you undoubtedly followed your hunch with absolute certainty of finding something shady?  Oh, you haven’t done any investigating?  This is all something you pulled out of your hat after someone mentioned the silly idea to you on a blog?  Well, in that case, I will now disregard your baseless allegations.

    • Anonymous

      “St. Johns can open a deep water port for Chinese products in route to new york and jersey…and peter cianchet owner of the company doesn’t want maine republican voices to be heard…”

      Your credibility on this highway issue is zilch.   Peter Cianchette doesn’t own Cianbro. And Eastport is where products in route to New York and New Jersey are envisioned to arrive, thanks to the highway.

  • Anonymous

    Maine has a rare beauty that other states have already lost — another road, a king’s highway, only takes us into a dismal future of industrialism and exploitation.

    • Anonymous

       Have I exploited you?

    • Anonymous

      I think there’s beauty everywhere.   Your derogatory reference to industrialism and exploitation linking it to the E/W highway leads me to believe that you enjoy poverty and “scraping by”.

      • Guest

        This road will not lead to prosperity.

        • Anonymous

           continuing wbt30’s reply, I would add…   And poverty and depopulation will increase.    Towns are decaying, literally.  Homes are not only underwater, but under siege of neglect by homeowners who can’t afford upkeep as well as rising property taxes.

          • Guest

            ….

  • Anonymous

    It will never happen, just like extending 95 north of Houlton never happened.  They have been talking about it for decades and that’s all it will ever be…just talk.

    • Anonymous

      The Canadian Government is funding this project, the moneys there

      • Anonymous

         More fantasies unsupported by any factual information whatsoever.

        • Anonymous

          Irving is getting the money from the canadian government.. Irving is stretched to the max with building a new refinery along the route in St. Johns.

    • Anonymous

       I agree with you, Ronthegreat.  I think that most of the Interstate system today could never be built with the attitudes of so many Americans.   The generation coming out of World War II recognized the strategic value of good highways and that was the impetus for our present interstate highway system…    read about the National Defense Highway Act here…  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Aid_Highway_Act_of_1956

      Now, we all use the interstate highway system for our convenience and for our commerce.    I’ve thought a lot about the E/W and the only reason I would be against it is that it increase the ease of bringing drugs to Maine.  But,  reality crushes my naivete.   There is no good reason to be against another highway.

      • Anonymous

        Yes indeed Brightmeadows.  The Federal Gov’t does not have the money to spend on the highway infrastructure and they are having financial difficulty maintaining the current highway system.  New highways (toll roads) to speed access to large cities are being funded by private investors more and more.  For example, in the Washington DC area toll roads are going in to help relieve congestion on the Beltway and 95.  In regard to Route 95 from Bangor to Houlton, there is so little traffic on that section that they recently raised the speed limit from 65 to 75 mph.  I drive that section of highway a few times a year and you’re lucky to see more than 10 cars on the way to Houlton.

  • Anonymous

    Fools Gold for the soul and spirit of a people. While truckers, financial opportunists, and business concerns ply the east-west division of land, the untold acres of country and the lives of so many who breathe the kindered spirit of that land will be tossed aside in contempt. With all the economic challenges of Maine in place, creating a physical and emotional schism will do little for those who call it home. In a time when we have seen the cartels of greedy expand, this travesty will bear another fruit toward that end, while helping the current and future population in only the most  cursory of designs. What we have, and what so many others wish they had is currently in place. To excise the area in question would do little more than brand us as the barbarians who helped bring down a large piece of goodness.

    • Anonymous

      Got a tear in my eye reading this.You should write romance novella’s.No facts,all fantasy.

      • Anonymous

        Dear oldcrankyyankee,
           Thanks for the reply. Romance novellas? Something to think about. From such humble based tears could a person see the vision of truth. Keep on trucking! Ken

  • Guest

    What a megalomaniac.

    • Anonymous

      By your logic a road only benefits those at the beginning and end. So by that logic, every highway that doesn’t stop and start within the same state, only benefits the states next to it?

      • Anonymous

        Let prevent the general public from using I 95 from Maine to Florida and only allow trucks to use it, then give the control of the road to a foreign country.
        That is what this road is about

        • Anonymous

          Does it make sense that the investors of this road would prevent the traveling public from using it, thereby eliminating that source of return on their investment?  It might be beneficial for the debate if you took a deep breath and pondered some of the things you are saying.

          • Anonymous

            7 ramps for the whole state. it’s not set up for the general public. and it’s not about weather Peter can recoupe his money, because that is a bad investment. it’s about once it is complete selling it to the Canadians. he is only acting as a spokes person for the canadians claiming it’s his Idea. If the canadian government came and said they want to build a toll road through Maine would you let them?

          • Anonymous

            You’ve got no factual basis whatsoever that backs up your silly claims.

          • Anonymous

            If it was such a good investment why don’t they sell stock in it.  It will never recoupe the investment. It’s Peter working for the Canadian government on this one.  

          • Anonymous

            What an argument>>> bizarrre. Where do you think they are getting the money?

      • Guest

        This is a highway for the transportation of Canada’s goods and an eventual oil and utility corridor.

        • Anonymous

           And Maine goods to Canada.. I believe it will go two ways.

  • Anonymous

    If you believe that what’s good for Cianbro is good for Maine, then by all means this is a good idea. Cianbro (and it’s mouthpiece Pete Vigue) make ANOTHER fortune at taxpayer expense building the Southeast Corridor of the Trans-Canada Highway. And the people of Maine get – a few temporary construction jobs that we’ll pay for for YEARS in exorbitant tolls to places we aren’t going to anyway. But we get to have our land taken and be relocated involuntarily in the bargain.

    • Anonymous

       I’m not sure how you could have missed this point after all this time, but for the record, for the thousandth time:  this is a privately funded road, not a taxpayer funded road.  If you don’t want to use the road, you won’t have to use it, therefore you won’t have to pay exorbitant tolls to places you don’t want to go to.   

      • Anonymous

         Our land will be taken Brandon.  Kelso vs. The City of New London says it can happen and it will, if we allow this road to go forward.

        • Anonymous

           You have no way of knowing that your land will be taken.  On the day that an eminent domain claim is made against your land, I would be the first to stand behind you in support.  But for now, people with honorable reputations are saying they would not use eminent domain to build this road.  If that is true, then landowners actually stand to see the value of their land increase significantly, and that is not necessarily a bad thing.

  • Yeah after 3 studies saying this highway is a net loser for the taxpayers, you are going to find some convoluted way to jam it down our throats anyway.

    The answer is Chinbro and Canada win, Taxpayers and sportsmen lose.

    • Anonymous

       Taxpayers wouldn’t be paying for this road…private investors would.

      • Yeah yeah yeah that is what they said… then we paid for the fesability study that is TAXPAYERS paid for the study.

        So if the “private corporate road-builders” can’t even afford the fesability study, you suppose that is the final bill they will present?

        • Anonymous

           Actually, yes…and if the project goes forward, the $300 K gets paid back by the investors, and you can use it to build an intersection, which is about all $300 K will buy these days in the world of publicly financed road construction, according to DOT cost figures.

          •  I sure (if I were making a business decision) would not bet 300K on this turkey.  Three studies (so far) have said it is a net loser.

  • Anonymous

    Always amazed is completely right.We need to invest in jobs that will be around for years.The money for the east/west highway needs to be put in the rail systems.The gov. and other lawmakers that jumped on vigues bandwagon need to be careful he will line his pockets and his companies and they will be left holding the empty bag.

    • Anonymous

      Rail would be goo but how many companies have rail sidings an the ones that don’t will cost them extra to truck there goods to a siding an put them in boxcars ect. Now after they are loaded how long will they set there till the railroad picks them up ? Now one they get to the yard how long will they set in the yard till they get sent out as it is now they sent in Waterville yard for 10 hrs or more an track  speed from  Mattawamkeag is 10 mph an to portland is 10 mph

      • Anonymous

        If the state puts just half of the money in the rail system as they will in this highway we would have an awesome rail system.Matter of fact if they put half of the study money in the last 10 years towards the rail system it would be up and running already. 

        • Anonymous

          But the company that own the tracks let them go so the federal government wopuld give them money to fix the tracks thats been there plan all the time . i know i worked for the railroad back in the early 70 in waterville an the train use to fly down the tracks now they do 10 mph

        • Anonymous

          The highway would be built with private money… By the way, if a little bit of investment is all it takes to give us a state of the art rail system, then why haven’t the railroad companies made those investments themselves?

        • Anonymous

          the amount of money the state have put into the various studies would not buy a shirt for Michele Obama or one of Nancy Pelosi’s 757 flights.Thankfully the voters took care of the latter already.The former will be handled this Nov. as far as rails are concerned,the enviro’s have done too much damage to it in the last 30 years.cannot wait for a referendum question on this,i bet it gets overwhelming support.

          • Anonymous

            Well the latest cost to the taxpayers seem to be $300,000 for a study of feasability that supposedly will be paid back but like all other gov.loans nobody pays them back.There has been 12 studies in the last 15 years done by collage kids and other lawmakers companies that needed a boost.  

      • Anonymous

         What you say is true, but I bet we’d all be amazed at how things change when diesel is $10 a gallon (it’s coming.)

    • Anonymous

      Any Country who ignores or neglects their railroads is doomed to failure. You are absolute right on in your post.

  • Anonymous

    A salt water canal through the wasteland of Maine is a better idea and bulldoze the towns on either side from Calais to where; The Forks? Do us all a favor.  Get Real!

  • Anonymous

    One question: how close will it come to Sugarloaf? My support is related to the time it saves me getting there…

    • Anonymous

      coburn gore is pretty close.
      You won’t be able to use the road to go ski, because it is a private roade.

  • Mhm, just pollution in places we don’t need it, and extra noise.

    The benefit? Easier access to Canada for Canadian truckers…

  • JOBS THREATEN WELFARE

    welfare loafers say NO to road construction!

    • Anonymous

      The welfare loafers don’t care about the road, you are heaping people into a pile they don’t belong in.  Why because you are trying to discredit people who are telling the truth.
      You are part of the problem.. It will be a Canadian territory and no Maine jobs will come out of this.

      But you already know that.

      • jimbobhol

        Wow koolaide extra good tonight. When foreign companies buy U. S. land,  guess what they just own U. S. land. Land transfer from one Country to another can only be done under a Treaty. I learned that in 6th grade.

  • Admin Person

    Leave the ‘Stud-Mill’ road alone!!!! 

  • MooseheadLake

    .
    This is not going to help the regular people of Maine – not an ounce. It will help some Multi-National companies and it’ll help numerous Canadian businesses. It’s very misleading to say this will help the rural areas of Maine.

    The first Press Conference I heard on this was laughable – like it was the reputation, in other places, of Maine that is holding it back. He said – you can go beyond Maine and people think of menacing bears or something stupid.

    People driving through, especially on this type of road, aren’t going to help rural Mainers. A couple Truck Stops that will quickly turn seedy.

    This is for Big, Big Business and Canadian firms.

    • Anonymous

       “not an ounce” is hyperbole which makes your comment nonsensical.  Just my opinion.

  • Anonymous

    This should be publicly funded and built and owned by the people of Maine.

  • Anonymous

    I hope someone is out there with the knowledge of starting a citizens referendum to prevent this from happening. It needs to happen now.

    • Anonymous

      You can’t prove any of the foolishness you are spouting.

  • Anonymous

    Yeah right, East West, they got the Airline RT-9, you can stop about anywhere in the middle of the road and not meet another car. RT-9 is a beautiful highway, yet, they say we need a East West , what for, to plow snow  and dump chemicals on it all winter.

  • Anonymous

    It’s all about making someone rich even richer.  It’s the responsibility of gov’t to build and construct roads for commerce.   If they could pass anything in congress the funding could come from them.

    • Anonymous

       Maybe you’ll get richer?  Or maybe your children or grandchildren won’t have to leave the state with its dying economy to get a job that pays something other than minimum wage.

      • Guest

        This highway to hell isn’t going to save Maine or even begin to save it. It will be a detriment to the environment and our resources.

        • Anonymous

           That’s ridiculous…. “the only”…  !

  • Anonymous

    Cianbro’s road to prosperity, yes . . .

    • Anonymous

      Right on!

  • Jonathan Smith

    This plan needs to be seriously looked at. Rural Maine is a wide range of hard working poor/lower middle class  – farmers, contractors, and blue collar workers. Mixed in are a fair share of deadbeats who take a pill for everything or who are consumed with acts stupidity building a meth lab or traditional “harmless” drugs like a bottle of Allen’s coffee brandy day. This state has plenty of diligent and honest workers – we need to look at all the options on the table for the future of Maine. A giant state park of thousands of untouched acres may be great for a bunch of potheads to hide their weed but this state needs more then that. Preservation is stupid if it hurts people – we need a tactful approach that preserves natural resources so we can actually use them. The east/west highway would open opportunities for commerce that we desperately need here. Well, those of us who still work I should say.

    • Anonymous

      The east west highway won’t allow regular traffic on it.  It is not for regular use to get back and forth to work. it will have only 7 on and off ramps  The Bangor area has 14 ramps, it’s being built for Canadian truck traffic and the toll will be $120.00

      Why does everybody seem to think it will be like the maine turnpike for auto traffic when it won’t be.
      It will not benifit Mainers. do you get it. it’s a Canadian truck highway only.

      • Anonymous

         “it’s a Canadian truck highway only.”

        Your claim makes no sense.  Investors aren’t going to invest 2 billion dollars in a road and then tell paying customers such as Maine motorists that they can’t use the road.

        • Anonymous

          they won’t be allowed to use it. Peter never anywhere said it was for auto traffic, with only 7 on ramps through the whole State.
          They talk about trucks not having to go through customs when going into Canada, Do you know why that is. because the trucks comming in won’t be able to leave the highway in Maine.

          • Anonymous

            At the Dover Foxcroft meeting, Vigue said the highway might open up opportunities for Maine tourism by virtue of motorists being able to access outdoor Maine businesses that are currently difficult to reach. He also said that the final number of ramps is still undetermined and that if communities desired to have access, such considerations are still on the table.

          • Anonymous

            Trying to understand the entire issue, so have lots of questions…

            Doesn’t something like this mean tourists will bypass all the small town businesses that they currently have to pass through to get to those hard to access outdoor Maine businesses? 
            If they can get across Maine faster on this highway, seems like it would eliminate jobs rather than create them for small town folks with small businesses??

  • Anonymous

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  • Anonymous

    Let Canada build and pay for it.  Then sell it to Maine for $1. We’ll get toll fees and Canada will get their Highway.  That’s the deal, take it or leave it !!

  • MooseheadLake

    I don’t get where any part of this would make anyone remotely link it to jobs. Unless you own stock in large Canadian companies.

    .

  • PaulNotBunyan

    Longer than average story with lots of pretty words. I have to join with the commies and liberals here that are against this project. I’m not against progress but I definitely think this type of thing has to be publicly owned. If something like this is needed we can sell bonds and get whatever federal funds we possibly can to build it.

  • Anonymous

    I never, ever want to say. I told you so, about this project.
    Bad idea bad for Maine.

  • Anonymous

    The long term job creation will be at a truck stop and the toll booths. That will be it, imo.

    • Anonymous

      TRUE, and of course the snow plow drivers all wintah, be so nice we get to plow Canada’s driveway.

    • Anonymous

       The long term strategy is to give Maine access to markets and give Mainers and Maine business access to travel that we’ve never had before.

      • Anonymous

        No its not. it’s not about Maine Peter is working for the Canadians

  • Lord Whiteman

     Is it really wise to let a foreign country confiscate American land so they can build a fenced in right of way that would split our state in two? 
     Such a road could be used to dump Canada’s illegally subsidized potato’s, lumber and labor onto the US markets. 
     We just saw what the Canadian’s did to  Maine’s lobster industry. I haven’t forgotten how  many times Canada has promised us good things only to back off the deal once they got what they wanted. 
      If Canada wants to own a right of way across Maine we need to have every thing on paper now and not some pie in the sky promises.

    • Anonymous

      Well, Canada has out-witted our Great Maine Business People for years, they stole the last sardine factory in Maine, Irving is on every block, yes they dump subsidized products here all the time. When you go up against or in partner with the Canadians, ya have to have people in Maine politics with some brains, I honestly, sincerely have never seem such a line up of idiots in charge of Maine in all my life, if there is an East West, now is not the time, not with the current bunch in charge, it is truly a travesty for Maine People, Lapage, Snowe, Collins, Summers, and on,  God Help Us.

    • Anonymous

       “Is it really wise to let a foreign country confiscate American land so
      they can build a fenced in right of way that would split our state in
      two?”

      You make something up and then ask if it’s wise?  Most land in Maine is held privately.   Does it matter to you, who, exactly owns it?  Does I-95 divide “the state in two”?

      • Lord Whiteman

         Those that control the land control everything. 

  • Anonymous

    I say the planned road doesnt go far enough. Extend it north to Fort Kent. It would keep the trucks off our crappy roads up here in the county.

  • Anonymous

    I say NO to an East West highway, we got the AirLine, somebody sees dollar signs, but this will just be another tax burden for the poor to pay for, NO EAST WEST BOONDOGGLE.

  • Anonymous

    Hadrian’s Wall, right in our own Roman back yard.

    • Anonymous

       It would be no more of a wall than the fenced-in I-95 corridor

  • Anonymous

    This was actually a pretty fair article on this issue!  I don’t see a lot of that in the BDN these days?

  • Anonymous

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  •  The Author says:

    “The east-west highway concept in Maine, as Vigue envisions it, is
    unprecedented in North America, said Neil Gray, director of government
    affairs for the International Bridge, Tunnel and Turnpike Association, a Washington, D.C.-based surface transportation advocacy group.” ”

    Well..actually, it is pretty much identical to the Trans Texas Corridor which citizens in Texas have successfully fended off:
    http://www.corridorwatch.org/ttc/index.htm 

    Vigue’s corridor is an exact copy of the Texas Corridor.which again has so far not been successful although it has reared its ugly head again.

    (watch for the name Macqueriea lead advicate for the Trans Texas to emerge in the near future in connection with the East West Highway)

    Why all citizens should be very wary of any privately owned and operated toll road:

    . http://cdn.publicinterestnetwork.org/assets/H5Ql0NcoPVeVJwymwlURRw/Private-Roads-Public-Costs.pdf

    Also Senator’s Doug Thomas’ account of the origins and nature of Maine’s secretly passed highway privatization statute, Title 23 Section 4251 and Vigue’s comments about it as quoted above show them both to be a good deal less than truthful.

    http://www.mainelegislature.org/legis/statutes/23/title23sec4251.html)

    The privatization stature written by Cianbro, Maria Fuentes, John Melrose (the asphalt lobby) with a Baldacci ordered assist from MDOT was not, as Senator Thomas well knows, “created for the Wiscasset by Pass” . 

    This reporter should have read the statute himself before writing this account and would see for himself as any citizen can that this statute is very broadly written and could apply to to any bridge, rail, or highway project in the state of Maine.   As Senator Thomas and Vigue both know very very well, this was haunchoed through by Dennis Damon with no public notice no public hearings.

    Passing such sweeping privatization language ( the worst in the nation in terms of protection of the public interests) with no public notice and no public hearings is just unconscionable. You have Senator Thoams to thank for that.

    I hope the Maine Citizens wake up and call for repeal of this law well ahead of the so called “feasibility study” we have just paid $300K to undertake. it should be on everyone’s agenda for first thing this next session…before elections so we have a litmus test on who is for the people and who is not before we vote.

    Vigue has told lie after lie after lie about his knowledge of the highway privatization statute, his company’s role in authoring it, and his intentions of its use for the East West Highway.

    Trying to portray what he is about with that highway as some sort of heroism to save northern Maine because no one else is doing is a total crock and this writer has not served the people of Maine , or the truth in any way with this story.

    It doesn’t fact check.

    Also for the record I have been sending factual material on the history of this statute and on the history of privatization of highways in America to the editorialist for PPH for months . 

    BDN has not served the public interest with this piece of fluff passing Vigue off as a hero and visionary.

    • Anonymous

      it’s  Doug Thomas,and he is one of a handful of truly honest people we have in Augusta.also it’s Matt Dunlap,not Damon. Mr Dunlap is also held in high regard by both sides of the aisle. I would kindly suggest you at least get names right before you cast aspersions at decent Maine people who only want is best for the people of Maine. Btw how can you expect anyone to take you seriously when a google search reveals the word “occupy” more times than i can count? the far Left is to the right of  you and your kind.As far as balance goes you tip the fulcrum to vertical.

      • Old Cranky..yes..Doug Thomas..thanks..trying to squeeze these posts in with my main work this very busy morning. I have corrected.

        But it is according to the committee record which anyone can read for themselves..Dennis Damon who shepherded this through.

        The truth of what I say about Senator Thomas’ knowledge of the history and purpose of this legislation is right there in the Committee recod on the bill.

        The truth about Vigue’s knowledge of this legislation which he has repeatedly denied knowing anything about ir having any intentions to use is also right there in the committee record. Cianbro in testimiony by McDonald ( who did want the wiscasset by pass to be done) credit Cianbro with authoring.

        Please do you your homework, as I have, on this issue, before you challenge a post as incorrect simply because you didn’t bother to investigate or chose to believe untrue accounts relayed to you..

        It’s public record.

        • Anonymous

          Lindsay, please do your homework.  The Maine legislator you are trying to identify is Dennis Damon, not Matt Damon.  Matt Damon is a Hollywood actor…It’s public record.  So glad that you “investigate” your facts, or there is no telling what sorts of sketchy information and analysis you would be providing.

      • Old Cranky

        RE: Occupy Posts

        Most of my work is at TED Conversations these days and before that technical articles in National journals of Risk Management and Insurance mostly b Construction Risk Management and Premises and Operations exposures to environmental risks.

        I neither share nor understad the anarchist premises of the Occupy Movement and if you read any of my posts at Occupy Cafe, where I was invited to blog, it is suggesting more productive ways of expressing and advocating for the 99%.

        My work is about “unwinding the plutonomy”..showing corporate influence at work, as it was in passage of this outrageous highway privataization statute and as it has been on the floor of our legsilature with many mnay bills with bo partisan support ( the highway privatization bill had high level democratic co sponsorship including from Hannah Pingree).

        The problem with Corporate influence is it doesn’t work the way most people think and there are no politiians getting kickbacks or payoffs..It is much more subtle than that. I even allow for the possibility that Doug Thmoas himself didn’t fully understand the implications and for that asphalt authored Highway Privatization Statute.

        As you will see if you read the Committee report, the original version of the bill that contained this privatization language was to apply to a list of top priority transportation projects which included the Deer Isle Bridge, the Calais Border crossing upgrade and the Brewer Connector but did not include Vigue’s version of the E/E highway or the Wiscasset bypass. ( I gather this was in connection with stimulus money for infrastructure)

        There was a legislative analysts note stating that this was a private bill the privatization language applicable only to the projects.

        Cianbro of course knew all about privatization and had done some work on a private highway in Virginia when this was written. But I don’t believe either the Committee or the legislators on the floor when it was voted on were given any kind of briefing to explain what the privatization bill was all about. McDonald, has said as much publicly on many occasions.

        I doubt if any one would have dared vote for it if they understood it was authorizing private control of any highway, dridge or rail project, including the Maine turnpike , for up to 5o years.

        Look how angry Mainers are about the privatization of Ft. Knowx and the possible private operation of Crescent Beach State Park Privatization of public facilities doesn’t site well the overwhelming majority of Mainers.

        Everyone who sponsored or voted for this outrageous highway privatization bill genuinely not understanding what it was and how it works has a chance now to correct their mistake and should do so right away by calling for a repeal of the statute.

        Did you read the staute? Is that cool with you that nay road, bridge or rail line in the state of Maine and the Maine Turnpike could just be turned over to total private control for 50 years? Do you support that?

        Old Cranky, “my kind” is all who seek truth and transparency in government..all who seek to insure that all Americans, every Mainer has a fair shot at a piece of the American dream. Are’t you with me on that Old Cranky??

        I am sure you are..because that is the yankee way and I am a yankee too. My family has been in miane for decades before it even was Maine..My grandfather was Superintendent of the mill in Lincoln and I lived there myself as a young child. I want what is fair and right and honest for every single Maine community north of Bangor, just like you do.

    • Anonymous

      Thank you for your research, I have voted for Damon in the past but I won’t in the future.

      • And thank you for your always civil voice here. I celebrate and am grateful for the work you are doing on behalf of all of us at this blog.

        You are on my wall of heroes.

        • Anonymous

          Informed!!! Poster doesn’t know what limited access highway means.

          • Anonymous

             *laughs*  I think Lindsay, countryboy8, and Red Buttons are the same person.

          • Hi Cheesecake,

            There has been so much confusing changing misinformation on this phase of revisiting the East West Highway . None of us in this blog knows what the truth is or what the intent is. We are all just guessing, speculating, trying to put the pieces together and figure out what is planned and how implementation will be facilitated, if at all, by public statute, guarantees etc. Terms like “limited access”, “privatized highway”aren’t something folk talk about every day or understand fully.

            Don’t you agree we will all get the most out of these exchanges with one another if we try to hear the heart of one anothers points and respond to one another on that basis?

            What I heard in this blogger’s comment is a very legitimate concern about how this road will be useful or available to local folk ad how it will affect ordinary local road usage. These are very legitimate concerns that should be heard and respected. Whether this blogger could define limited access in the same way a transportation planner would is to me not relevant. What is relevant is the legitimacy of his concern.

            Also I respect every single person here who is trying to understand this project and its implications.

            Citizens turning up to have this kind of talk is what will eventually bring what happens in government in line with community economic development needs.

    • Anonymous

      Thanks very much for the nice commemtary, above. I have been trying to educate people, for the last 6 weeks, on the Title 23, public/private partnership business. Most people do NOT KNOW of Vigue’s, Thomases, Damon’s and MDOT’s efforts to get the legislation passed or the terrible way they did it with no notice or hearings.

      Sen Thomas denies that it will ever be a “public/private partnership” or that anyone (particularly MDOT) would ever use eminent domain to build this. I cannot figure out if that is what he really thinks, or is that just what he wants us to hear?

      No one with a basic level of intelligence could ever miss all the potential income from “other uses of the corridor) or the work that has already been done, behind the scenes, to create the public/private partnership laws, and the developers ability to have the MDOT take any property from “unwilling sellers” by using this process.

      As  my older son said last night, this is a huge piece of business that has been very coldly and cleverly “calculated” by its promoters……….to pull the wool over the eyes of Maine people, who are desperate for anything to maybe revitalize northern Maine.

      • Countryboy8,

        I am grateful and impressed by your efforts to let Mainers know the real story of how this highway privatization bill was passed without public notice or public hearings.

        Mainers, and indeed every legislator who voted for it would not have done so if they truly understood what it was. and how it worked.

        That’s why I am advocating that it be a pre election litmus test and that every single person running for office, democrat and republican, who voted for this outrageous bill and allowed it to come into existence with no public notice, no public hearing, be held to account as a condition for our re election votes, to insure a prompt and very public repeal of this outrageous asphalt lobby insider bill.

        If you contact me off line ( easy to do..just google me) I am happy to share with you emails and documents that there is no way to post here ( pdf’s and emails from MDOT)

        Also I am paying very close attention to a comment made by an MTA in some public setting that “we ( MTA) could float the bonds for them ( the private East West Toll Road) and for some very broad languages changes made last year to the MTA’s statutory authority that would allow exactly that ( as well as allowing some other things Mainers would be gob smacked to find out about)

        I am in varying levels of contact with many nay state legislators and agency officials on Vigue’s trojan horse of a road and on the implications of the privatization statute and the chanes in the MTA authorization. I get the idea that our legislators are often as misinformed and mislead as we the public are.

        I think that happened with the Highway privatization statute. But now it is time for those who were mislead into pushing this through to step up to the plate..say what happened and correct their mistake.

        Doug Thomas should go first.

        You are on my wall of heroes for the work you are doing.

        Thank you.

  • Anonymous

    This is nothing more than a private road built for Canadian Oligarchs. Cianbro their Maine Stooge and Crony, does the dirty work of stealing Mainers Homes, Farms and Land.  Canadian Billionaires with stolen Maine land. Try doing this in Canada. Never would happen. I wonder if this road would be considered if Chavez or Fidel Castro wanted to build this private road, steal Maine Land, to make some money for a Chevron Oil Truck Stop.

  • Anonymous

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  • Anonymous

    I do not like the East West Hwy. It will be an animal killing ground. It will be dangerous when someone hits a moose and they are an hour away from help. No to the HWY.

  • Anonymous

    Some enviromental laws are good, others are petty, arbitrary, and enforced by agenda driven radicals entrenched in state and federal governments. These laws and the radicals that enforce have so much power to destroy and limit business that no one wants to risk comming to Maine to build a company. 

  • Anonymous

    What is this, the Middle Ages?

    Read the history of private toll roads.

    PRIVATE TOLL ROADS = GREED AND OPPRESSION

    The roads belong to the people of Maine, like the sunshine and water. 

    • Anonymous

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  • Anonymous

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  • Anonymous

    Very disappointed that a Maine-based company that I have respected for a long time is up to their necks in this land-grab for another country.

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  • Anonymous

    Let’s just cool it until we see the results of the feasibility study.  Then we’ll have better info to talk about.

    • Anonymous

      nice try. 3 had been done already and it wasn’t feasibile. we all know where this one will be.
      It’s sad that cianbro had to use $300,000 State money to do the study, yet they claim they can come up with a 2 billion Canadian dollars to build the road.

  • I get a kick out of you folks who assume your own correctness and advise others to “stick to the facts.” The true “facts” are still on the drawing board for all  to guess at, including you.

  • Anonymous

    The American road infrastructure was originally constructed by private business and private partnerships in the late 1800’s – early 1900’s. There were literally dozens and dozens of road associations across the country doing their own thing with roads and travelways during the transition from horses to automobiles. These roads were funded and maintained by private citizens through collecting tolls and memberships. The motivation of these associations was to generate economic development and commerce for themselves and the communities and regions they lived in.

    It wasnt until the late 1910’s when the US government got involved to try to get a handle on all the different approaches being implemented at the time. States had been working to standardize and assist the private sector during this timeframe as well. The long and short of it was that involvement of the private sector in the development of the US road system had gotten so big, widespread, and confusing that it became necessary to do something about standardization. 

    What is being proposed by Mr. Vigue is not a new concept, but one that is genesis of the roadway system here in the US. Private citizens took the initiative to build access to get product to market. Private citizens took the risk on investment. Private citizens took on the responsibility of maintenance.

    If private citizens did not take the lead in the development of our road infrastructure, we would not be enjoying the benefits of a well established and maintained transport system today.

  • Guest

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  • Anonymous

    The Old Town Landfill will only be used to save the Mill.

  • Those mean ole Republicans are at it again. Lets bring back Bill Clinton (who presided over NAFTA, and promoted outsourcing, and did nothing to discourage illegal immigration (read low wage scabs)

    Or lets forget that Obama and his adventures overseas have further enriched the corporate arm of the US military indrustrial complex.

    Let us also not think about all the Democrats who voted to save the Shareholders at Goldman, Bank Of America, and Citi Corp.

    Yeah the Republicans are wrecking this country for their own personal gain.

    Question just for my own personal edification:

    Do you know where Chapaqua is located?

    This was a reply to Dlbrt. The site elected to place it here instead of under the post I where replied. I then attempted to delete the entire post, but couldn’t do that either.

  • Anonymous

    Growing Maine’s economy is about PEOPLE, have the best educated and skilled in the world, not asphalt and concrete. Low transportation cost is NOT what drives a healthy economy today, it is workforce. Until Maine figures this out the economy will continue to be stagnant and trail the US and New England. Get the priorities right!

  • Anonymous

    The working class has had enough of big corporations taking all the soup and leaving the bones for the people to fight over

  • Anonymous

    quick math. maybe off 4% either way

    $120 toll would mean if 1000 trucks used this road per day which I don’t believe will happen. would take 47 years just to pay for the road without interest. at 5% interest the road  could never be paid for.   Cainbro/Peter  would never invest in something that didn’t pay .. I speculate that Peter will make his money building the road. He would never compromise his company for that type of debt that has no payback. 
    That also doesn’t include the cost to keep the road up.
    So where is the money comming from?  The only people who would invest in this project full well knowing that they would never make a dime at it is the Canadian Government who is probably being lobbied by Irving as we speak. The Canadian government subsidizes most of the canadian business, so this is right up their alley. Peter never states who the investers are and by law doesn’t have to until it is approved. Cainbro/Peter is just the front man. The company won’t be one of the investors.
    Something is very much wrong with this picture, to many secerts.  
     

  • Briney

    Some people are willing to accept anything.

    This plan is nothing more than an attempt to link the Atlantic Provinces with a direct route to the Province of Quebec.  And, vice versa.

    What benefits to Maine?  We are currently involved in a trade war with Canada.  The Canadians are not only blocking our lobstermen from selling their product in Canada, but also putting them under police escort back to the bridge at Calais.  If we can’t sell our lobsters to canning factories in New Brunswick, would Quebec take them? 

    The Canadians couldn’t care less.  This highway is obviously being put together by Canadians to serve Canadians. 

    So far, we have a project that is cloaked in secrecy.   The exact route is secret.  Access points vary with each guarded release.  Why?  The “map” accompanying this article shows nothing. 

    The proponents pompously assert that “Eminent Domain” is out of the question.   Instead, they will resort to “Right of Way.”    Take your pick.  Impossible to cut a highway 2,000-feet wide for 220-miles across Maine, without damaging someone’s lettuce patch, or, front yard. 

    Besides trucks paying a private toll fee of $200, and cars paying $100, what about fees for the petroleum, oil and gas pipelines?  Some asked.  But no replies were forthcoming. Obviously, a cut this wide is for more than vehicular traffic.  

    The Trans-Maine-Canadian Highway  with its limited (six ramp) access, could be just as difficult to access, as  crossing into Canada to sell lobsters. 

    For more than 40-years the Canadians have been pushing this highway with all kinds of promises to Mainers.  Those directly affected by the proposed(?) route, clearly see through the smokescreen as nothing more than destruction  of Maine’s most beautiful lands.  Others, not within the route’s trajectory, who will not lose land, or their homes, believe it is what Maine  needs. 

    Maine’s top industry is Tourism.  We’re a long way from full development, but slowly it is all coming together.   Maine is the largest producer of lobsters and blueberries than any other state in the union.  We have been trucking huge loads of lobster into New Brunswick where they can them and then truck them back across Rte. 9 for the Boston and New York markets.  

    Instead of building a Canadian bypass, why not get the canneries in Maine to expand, employ more people and deploy more truckers?  The state has done nothing in this regard.  The Canadian government supports its businesses.  We don’t.   The odds for us in such competition are poor.  We need to get behind our own Maine businesses.  

    The East-West Highway proponents hide their plans in secrecy and claim hostility by people who oppose the taking of their lands.  Its supporters have nothing to lose, but everything to gain financially.

    • Anonymous

      After seeing the Canadians put the brakes on the Maine lobstermen this week, I see no reason to help them to create money for themselves.   I agree with you to expand the canneries here in Maine and get our people working . It is time for Maine to unite on this and get the idle factories up and running.  If I were to win the Powerball tonite, I would definately get the cannery ball rolling and that is a promise.

      • Briney

        “If” is like “should have.”  Where is the Maine Finance Authority?  

        • Anonymous

          Haven’t got a clue!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Anonymous

    Somebody please show me stats if I’m wrong, but I fail to see how a highway that, from the look of the map, bypasses any and all tourists attractions. Yes, a toll may provide some revenue, but how does this benefit Maine in a significant manner if that toll does nothing more than rapid contact between New Brunswick and Quebec? I’ve not done a study, but I’d guess that the highway connecting Alaska with the US mainland hasn’t added to the prosperity of whatever small towns it passes through on the way. We hear countless ‘cry in my beer’ speeches from politicians about promoting tourist attractions to draw people to our state. How will building a highway that shoots New Brunswick tourists directly from the border to Quebec benefit us? This appears to me to be something that would benefit Canadians looking for a quicker route ACROSS our state (Canada to Canada) rather than benefiting Mainers who rely on tourist trade for part of their income. If I have a fruit stand and my neighbor also has one, how will it benefit me by re-routing my driveway directly to my neighbor’s yard?

  • Todd Crosthwaite

    Mr. Groening, 
    Saint John, New Brunswick is never abbreviated.  
    St. John’s, Newfoundland;  Saint John, New Brunswick

  • Anonymous

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  • Anonymous

    While an effective manager for Cianbro, Mr. Vigue is being more than disingenuous when he expresses concern for Maine’s citizens.  Perhaps philanthropy might be a better venue to demonstrate these Mother Theresa inclinations should the urge persist. Notwithstanding,  and based on the facts presented to date, it would appear that Mainers will gain very little in the long run from a project of this nature. Sure, jobs will be abundant for a period of time, and then the whole thing inures to the benefit of the operators and investors, who include among others Cianbro, Irving et al. If this is such a great project, would it not be logical for the State of Maine to be the primary beneficiary. Regrettably, this whole thing looks like a land grab, and the people of Maine once again are being deceived because a few visionaries see the real financial value of a scheme couched in shadows and silhouettes.

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