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Comments for: New study says Maine’s natural areas worth far more than most people think

  • Anonymous

    Moon bat self serving study that the BDN loves…Waste of ink and bandwith…

    • Cant see the Forest for the Trees!

    • Jake_OO7

      But you are still reading and responding at midnight.   Bye Bye, don’t come back! :)

      • Guest

         alot of us would like nothing better than having another choice of a paper to read besides this rag for local news

        • Anonymous

          Check out the maine wire, sanitized of all liberal views for you protection.

        • Briney

          Is it local news you seek? Or, opinion matching your own?

        • pbmann

          Most Maine convenience stores carry the Boston Herald and New York Post for the conservative-impaired.

    • Briney

      Exceedingly informative article. A good intuitive reminder of what we have, and, an awakening for those unable to see it.

    • Anonymous

      I’d classify most of your posts that way.

  • And here goes the BDN campaign for Miss Dill and Roxanne. News outlet show their true colors!!! BDN is nothing more than a Liberal Rag! Why can’t the BDN or any other news media stay “middle of the road”?

    • Guest

      What’s so extreme about clean water ?

      Sounds quite conservative and you sound quite sour for some unknown reason.

      From a business perspective, fresh clean drinking water is now being hauled out of Maine aquifers by fleets of tanker trucks 24/7/365.

      And it is a renewable resource in very high demand.

      • Anonymous

        Conservative Republicans preserved the best of Maine’s wilderness and all of its rare and endangered forest lands…..From Baxter to Rockefeller to many others; it’s always been a conservative trait to preserve and enhance the wilderness. I don’t think Baldacci ever planted a tree. 

        • Guest

          Neither of those conservatives would be very welcome in the GOP today.

          • Anonymous

            They make up the backbone of many rural GOP groups, who welcome tree and other farmers who adopt the ethic of the Amish to make the land more productive and fertile as when they found it. Indeed, in Pa. the lands farmed by Amish and other plain sects is as fertile as it was 300 years ago. 
            Environmental stewardship is as much a part of the GOP now as it was when Nixon signed the legislation creating EPA.

            Liberal Democrats with their foreign grown food preferences are ruining American Agriculture and forcing it to adopt industrial farming practices…..ketchup with that burger from Brazil? Foodies are by and large liberals, who talk a good game about localvores, but then shop at whole foods and buy organic food from everywhere in the world. 

        • Anonymous

          So we can damage all the rest then?

          • Anonymous

            What damage? Ever fly over Maine from edge to edge. It’s a vast tree farm and been that way since the early 1800’s. Plant a tree and stop whining. 

        • Anonymous

          Rockefeller’s were dispised by many, mostly conservatives, when they were donating lands

    • Briney

      You must have missed Monday’s Charlie? 

    • pbmann

      Republican Definition: Liberal Rag is any newspaper that prints the truth not Republican talking points

      • Anonymous

        Or a newspaper that isn’t being printed on recycled paper, using ink from industrial soybean farming. 

        Dem. talking points are the “truth”? merci!

  • Anonymous

    Hurry up and blow more mountain tops for wind farms, King Angus needs the money to buy enough votes for his next great fleecing of the people of Maine!

    • Anonymous

      They only remove moutain tops for coal and other minerals. Can you cite one mountain top that has been removed for a wind turbine?

      • Patten_Pete

        Sizable pieces of mountain tops and ridge tops are removed for virtually every wind turbine’s foundation  and for the roads which must be made big enough to carry the towers and heavy equipment. If you want to see what the devastation looks like, start with Mars Hill, the first wind travesty in Maine. A picture is here:
        http://www.windtaskforce.org/photo/marred-hills-mars-hill-me 

        • Anonymous

          Ha! Burned!

        • Anonymous

          I can still see a mountain top. They may have moved and excavated but the mountain is still there. They probably do as much or more to create a ski area as what you see there.
           
          Have you ever seen strip mining? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surface_mining makes an intersting comparison.

          • Patten_Pete

            We don’t burn coal in Maine (less than 1% of electricity). So comparisons are pretty meaningless, and frankly misleading. Maine’s electricity comes from clean natural gas, hydro and biomass.

          • Anonymous

            Where does our air polution come from?

          • Anonymous

            Ohio.

          • Anonymous

            I 95 corridor; and air pollution has decreased dramatically esp. SOX & NOX. CO2 is not a pollutant nor is it measured by DEP. 

          • Anonymous

            From Cities along the N.E. Coast; coal plants are very clean and even the old ones dropped particulates out within 125 m . downwind of the stacks. 

            Tired of this coal plant strawman, everytime someone points out the devistation of the turbine farms with their extensive NEW roads up and down mountains, the clearcuts for transmission lines, and the est. 40 acre footprint. A real coal mine has a much smaller footprint unless it’s a strip mine which get’s refilled and replanted. Herbicides are sprayed on the turbine and transmission ROW’s. 

          • Anonymous

            You “environmentalists” won’t be happy until all wind power sites are removed or stopped.

          • Anonymous

            The same way they’ll refill and replat a wind site?

          • pbmann

            Coal plants are very clean?  What fantasy world do you live in?  Coal-fired power plants are the dirtiest form of electrical energy in the world. PERIOD.

            For a picture of a mountain top strip mining coal mine see the following link

            http://grn-network.com/earth-nature/epa-issues-new-guidance-to-restrict-mountain-top-mining/

            or this one

            http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/27/mountaintop-removal-coal-mining-birth-defects_n_885172.html

            I know they are liberal websites but you won’t find a conservative website with a picture of mountain tops being strip mined.

            And the strip mine being refilled and planted

            “…The federal Surface Mining Control and Reclamation Act of 1977 outlawed some of the worst abuses. Yet strip-mining is inherently destructive, even if the law is followed to the letter, and even the best reclamation does not wholly heal the wound…”

            http://web.utk.edu/~nolt/radio/stripmn.htm

          • Anonymous

            I’ve been involved in some way with air pollution controls for over 40 years; and the argument over coal mining and coal fired power plants has become an industry for lobbying groups like the American Lung Association and sycophants who jump up and down with protest signs about all the people dying.

            Once upon a time, and in emerging economies like China’s, ‘dirty’ power plants exist–China is buying our stack scrubbers and pollutant removal designs and when you scrutinize particles and gases emerging from the stack as are required by law and under permits, see Pa’s for May 31, 2012; But there is a growing market for scrubbers of various kinds:

            “The U.S. market for air pollution control technologies for coalfired power plants was worth $2.5 billion in 2008. This is expected to increase to $2.7 billion in 2013, for a compound annual growth rate (CAGR) of 1.5%.

            Scrubbers and FGD technologies generated $1.3 billion in 2008. This segment should increase slightly by the end of 2013, for a CAGR of 1.5%.

            Nitrogen oxide control technologies were worth $925.0 million in 2008. This should increase at a CAGR of 1.5% to reach $997.0 million in 2013.” Coalition for Clean Power.

            According to the Union of Concerned Scientists, “Transportation is the largest single source of air pollution in the United States. It causes over half of the carbon monoxide, over a third of the nitrogen oxides, and almost a quarter of the hydrocarbons in our atmosphere in 2006.¹ With the number of vehicles on the road and the number of vehicle miles traveled escalating rapidly, we are on the fast lane to smoggy skies and dirty air.”

            ” The Environmental Protection Agency estimates that the air toxics emitted from cars and trucks account for half of all cancers caused by air pollution. Benzene, acetaldehyde, and 1,3-butadiene are examples of toxic air pollutants associated with motor vehicle emissions.”

            The hysteria you ‘caught’ from environmental alarmists, is now fueled by the impact of dirty plants in places like India, not Ohio; and not from current studies of health effects of downstream smoke plumes from these power plants. Particulate fall out fairly quickly but aerosols, depending on atmospheric conditions, may not…OZONE formation is complex and sep. the role of coal fired power plant contribution is difficult.

            Definitive studies that link known health effects to people living inside a coal-fired plant plume when compared to those living outside it, haven’t been done to my knowledge; but going off the deep edge and blaming cancer, etc. on coal fired power plants is easy given this ignorance—how many don’t have advanced scrubber technology? and fuels emotional hysteria for the media.

            Now for the bad part of wind turbines; CLEAR CUTTING FORESTS and no offsets in permits!!! 

            Biomass, esp. in Maine is the single most cleansing element of our world. Trees remove pollutants, convert CO2 and store carbon for up to 100 years. Removing trees for a wind turbine farm without replacing the biomass is the single most harmful thing we can do to the environment.

            Endless screaming about coal fired power plants is only a cover-up for this damage.

            If you’re a real environmentalist you’d join lawsuits to force wind farmers to compensate for lost biomass; and if you’re a Green you would have joined Jon. Carter and others in planting trees this Arbor Day….AND I BET YOU DIDN’t!

          • Anonymous

            They are not proposing ski areas on every mtn. top in the state like they are for wind turbines. Because other states have strip mining and mtn. top removal you think it is OK for Maine? It is not, and that is what these wind projects do , for miles, and the land is sprayed preventing  regrowth. 

          • Guest

            Do they only spray the ROW’s from wind generated power sources?

            I think not.

          • Anonymous

            Didn’t say they did. Where does it all stop? When all the outdoor places are littered with industrial turbines? No coal fired plants have been shut down anywhere because wind power replaced them.

          • Anonymous

            Nothing against ski areas but have do you think that all the wind turbines take up as much space as Sugar Loaf or one of the other ski areas? Do they give free run to rain to run off and possibly erode the mountains earlier?
            For miles along RR right of ways they spray to prevent regrowth. Me thinks you have a tendency to exagerate.

          • Anonymous

            I think you do not like the Maine outdoors much, or you work for Reed and Reed.

        • pbmann

          You want to see what devastation looks like just wait until they start to mine for gold in Aroostook County.

          • Anonymous

            And rare earth metals to build turbines…

      • According to the picture, you will be six months getting your foot out of your mouth.

        • Anonymous

          It will be out long before you get your head our of your rectum;)

      • Anonymous

        For the simple, simplification of my comment.  “Devastate”.

    • Anonymous

       Ain’t that a fact.

    • Anonymous

      Ain’t that a fact.

  • Anonymous

    What good does all of this do us without Jobs?  Sure we can serve the out of staters like Dill when they come up for vaca but honestly is that all we get?

    • Jake_OO7

      You need to ask your hero, Lepage about jobs, he has lost more then any other Governor in the past 40 years.  How’s that sign working for you?

      • Anonymous

        Takes more than a sign to recover from 40 years of driving business away.  I think if you bro Obama can still blame Bush after 4 years LePage can still blame your parties stupid policies which are still in place for amny years to come.

        • Briney

          Maine’s past 40 years of political history involved Republicans, Democrats and Independents. No single party can claim fame, or shame, for what materialized. 

          • Anonymous

            Republicans had no say in the decisions made by the majority no more then Republicans in the first two years of Obamas term.  Democrats in Maine have rules with an Iron hand in the past as they are being rules now.  We aren’t as used to holding the whip as you all were but we will get there.

          • Briney

            Your Koch-controlled Le Page is your leader, bereft of Legislature.  

            No republicans, democrats, independents, ever sought to rule. The “We” who struggle to use the whip, have  the worst instructor any state could ever wish for. However, his autocratic desire to rule rather than legislate, appears to have rubbed off  on you well.

            We’re still  existing within a Republic,  wherein the power rests with the people.  So drop your whip,  if you believe in Democracy.

          • Anonymous

            Funny how you guys all want to cooperate once you lose power.  You also all love to talk about the nefaroius “Koch brothers” while ignoring your own billionaire string pullers.

          • Briney

            Nothing has ever rivaled the nefarious Koch brothers attack on the American political system and country.  Koch Inc. controls most of the US Congress, and many state governors – including Le Page.  Koch created the Tea Party.  Originally touting their attack on big government.  But their first march in Washington indicated it was nothing but  a Hate society quickly marshaled by Koch against the first African-American president.   

          • Anonymous

            You on the left see racism everywhere when suits you and yet can not see it in the cases where it does not suit you.  Mot one bit of evidence was ever produced showing any hate and racism issues in the tea party.  That being said you guys have created whole systems to discriminate based on color and have no problems with racism by black Americans on White Americans.  Bunch of Hypocrites or opportunist I’m not sure which.  You go on and on about any money that supports our causes but make no mention of Soros and the others supporting yours.  Is your money more pure?

          • Guest

            When was Jock McKernan Governor?

            Angus King?

            Both were 2 termers.

            Neither were Dems.

            Check your math and get off the 40 year lie thing being spread around by Teabullies.

          • Briney

            Over a 155  –  year span- how’s that? – Maine was served by an almost  consecutive line of 33 republican governors.   The only exceptions being five Democrats, who broke the line-up briefly with a  total of just 12 years during that 155 year span.  Four served two year –  terms. The other  served four years.  

            This summary started with Hannibal Hamlin back in 1857.  It ends with Republican Burton Cross, who was succeeded by Democrat Edmund S. Muskie in 1955. 

            Jock McKernan, Olympia’s hubby, served eight years, from 1987 through 1995.  

            I’ve always retaliated against the alleged 40-year rule by Democrats, as asserted and promulgated by the  Koch  teapublican clan.   

            As shown here, the GOP had an almost 155 year straight run on Republican governors in the State of Maine.  Since Cross was followed by Muskie, Maine has had 12 governors: 5 Republicans, 5 Democrats, and 2 Independents. 

        • pbmann

          In 2011, Maine was the only New England state to have negative job growth, even Taxachusetts and the Socialist  State of Vermont had positive job growth.

          • Anonymous

            Like I said.  If Obama can still say nothing is his fault then LePage has years to milk the same cow.  You libs can’t have it both ways.

          • pbmann

            One of the main reasons given for the negative job loss is the shutting down of Brunswick Naval Air Station and LePage’s holding up of money to reinvest in the base.  Investment in this base would lead to more jobs whichis waht LePage campaign on.

            Other reasons given were the lack of investment in the infrastructure and R&D.  Things that LePage has actively stopped.

            Can’t blame the past 40 years for that.

        • Jake_OO7

          Being a bigoted racist against the President is not going to help your party win votes.  Lepage will be powerless after the November elections so his sign #2, will be all he can say he accomplished.

      • Hey, where is your proof of that? Maine’s unemployment is below the national average.

        • Anonymous
          • 1GoodSamaritan2

             Hey Uncle Paul … get your head out of your arse and stop being so condescending to women.

          • Anonymous

            Whatever you say honey bunch.

          • 1GoodSamaritan2

            Women obviously don’t give you the time of day and you are a lonely, pathetic excuse in the shell of a male body.  Poor, poor, pathetic excuse.

          • Anonymous

            You ARE the expert on poor, pathetic excuses.

          • 1GoodSamaritan2

             I am on spotting a poor pathetic excuse of a man …. and ding ding ding … we have a winner folks and his name is Uncle Paul the Putz.

          • Anonymous

            You are so talanted, are you like Uri Geller and The Amazing Kreskin rolled in one?

            OR are you just another Harold Camping?

          • Anonymous

            “sweetheart”??

        • pbmann

          In 2011, Maine was the only New England state to have negative job growth, even Taxachusetts and the Socialist State of Vermont had positive job growth. 

          There is the proof.

        • Anonymous

          Maine’s unemployment was below the national before lepage took office.

        • Jake_OO7

          Tip: read the posts before responding to them.  You’ll catch on little lady.  :)

    • Anonymous

      So, what do you have in mind?  Dismantling the natural world around us piece by piece, just to give someone something to do, seems a little shortsighted. 

      • Anonymous

        How about we stop dismantling industry in this State to the point where people can still manage to work again.

        • Anonymous

           Oh, but we have PLENTY of jobs — just not the right skills. 

          • Anonymous

            That’s a problem caused by the “everyone must have a degree” crowd.  We used to have tradesman and people used to be trained on the job.  We used to have Vocational Tech establishments but now they are all community colleges.  LePage didn’t cause that problem.

          • Anonymous

             I did not say that LePage did cause the education gap.

            I do find it disingenuous that LePage and others would state that Maine’s economy has been killed by too many environmental protections and at the same time also  state that there are plenty of jobs and that the unemployment problem could be fixed by training people with the right skills. 

            Which one is it?

          • Anonymous

            One does not exclude the other. 
            Our economy has been hurt by making it easier for a businees to start up elsewhere and by fighting every new idea that comes down the pike. And the jobs we do have are trade jobs while our children are getting degrees in History or some such.

        • Briney

          From bench to shelf – we’re just too far for many manufacturers.  

          • Anonymous

            If that were true Washington State would have the Same problem as would Alaska and Hawaii.

          • Anonymous

            We aren’t as far as China or India or the rest of Asia. We are much closer to Europe than any state in the union. Our infrastructure sucks and needs to be brought past the 1940’s.

      • We should respect the rights of private property owners.

        • Guest

          How is that not happening now?

          • pbmann

            What she means is that property owners should be able to do whatever they want with their land with out having to worry about regulations that protect the environment or the damage that they may do to the environment.

  • i believe this calculation is stimulated for governments agenda’s and creating a price so that maine will become more valued to exploit!!!! what we need is to lower our values of land and make it affordable and we also need to make more stringet regulations so we stop the sprawl and creation of human ways to destroy what is natural. we need to stop affecting the worlds environment and start living and let live or the whole world will live the china syndrome. when we over populate we destruct not build. when we over calculate we price ourselves out of affording that which we desire.

  • Anonymous

    BDN trotting out more socialist environmental extremisim.

    There MUST be something in the water in the Brunswick area that makes these nutjobs think theyn own Northern Maine.

    • Anonymous

      Extremism? What have you got against clean drinking water? Shortsighted viewpoints that failed to acknowledge the value of undeveloped areas are what make the difference between places like Haiti and the Dominican Republic today. Look it up.

      • Don’t the townies in the state of Maine like their water fluoridated and chlorinated anyway?  You can use science to make your drinking water clean.  Leave private property owners alone!!  

        • pbmann

          You can pollute as much as you like as long as your pollution does not leave your property boundries.  Can you guarantee your greed will not negatively affect your neighbors?

          • Anonymous

            Your forget that anti-conservation conservatives can’t see beyond the ends of their own noses. Other people simply don’t exist for them.

        • Anonymous

          No.

          In my town we voted against fluorination and chlorination, and we have some of the best, cleanest water you’ll ever find. At camp we have a private well, which has even better water than we have at home. Next to the water you get out of a city system, there is no comparison. If you want to pollute yourself with chemicals, be my guest, but don’t expect me to jump on that bandwagon.

    • Briney

      Much more preferable than that of the Koch brothers.  Allied with the GOP.,   their Tea Party billions are rapidly gaining total control of the country.  Extremism?  

  • 1GoodSamaritan2

    Ohhhh gawd.  This is “Green Gone Bad”!

  • Anonymous

    “study by the Manomet Center for Conservation Science”

    nuff said, absolute biased “study” from a group of hack scientists who’s only goal is to increase personal financial gains via the distribution of such propaganda…nothing but greedy progressives looking to fleece the good working people of this state, yet again

    • pbmann

      Translation:  Scientist telling the  truth and it disagrees with the Republican mantra

      • Anonymous

        A republican’s/Tea Party battle cry: ” Your facts don’t fit my story!”

      • Conservatives don’t lie.  It’s just that their version of the truth is seldom backed up by facts.  “Facts?  What facts?  We don’t need no stinkin’ facts.”

    • Anonymous

      Better run over to the Wire, get an unbiased opinion?

  • I have two words for everyone:  Private property.

    • Anonymous

      How many breaks do “private property ” owners need? You sound like a real estate broker, what is your occupation? Please and thank you. PP owners  do not have the right to do anything they want .  If it affects anothers’ property value or enjoyment, or right to sleep at night, for instance, the aggrieved neighbors have every right to have a say. If excessive tree removal causes siltation and warming of water threatening the native brook trout population, the rights of the property owner are secondary. If people could use common sense, maybe we wouldn’t need all the regulation but when the almighty dollar is there , look out.

    • pbmann

      I have one word: Greed.

  • Excellent article and placing the value of Maine’s natural resources in economic terms lifts it out f the normal heated and caustic  rhetoric that assumes care of our natural resources is anti-job and anti economic development. As your excellent article lays out for us..that is just not so.

    I know as a vacation renter here on Deer Isle that my very meager income from the two guest cottages provides a multiple of about 3 in return to Maine’s coffers and to the local economy in the wages I pay to the many who work here in the summer and most importantly in the spending of my guests in the local economy.  Lodging tax alone is 7% of the rental.

    Many state’s who have so much value in natural resources have established Sovereign Welath Funds that direct state income to a separate fund.  In Alaska , through the Permanent Fund, every single tax payer receives a dividend every year from the fund and most Alaskans, because of the fund pay no taxes of any kind at all.   We should have that here and there is virtually endless possibility on how to set it up and how to use the proceeds.  It is shame that all state income from natural resources goes staright to treasury.

      

  • wind turbines  are already ruining our ecosystem and definitely  have current and longterm consequences on our precious natural environment..but politicians just do not seem to care, turn a deaf ear, and voters often are not aware of the issue and those of us that are have had no fair chance with the DEP and BEP and Baldacci and King’s highly harming scheme that takes from many of us the wildlife environments and pristine lakes and hills we adore..Patom1 if you see the photos that have been highly circulated when they were contracting Mars Hill you will see a mountain top that has been blasted and dynamited away and is no longer there..see Patten Pete’s link to it.

    • Guest

      Just so I know what will make eco-mentalists happy?

      Coal and oil are bad because of pollution and the methods of mining. Now I guess wind is bad because of the way it looks…so what are our options for energy? 

      Solar? Nope Maine doesn’t get enough sun and the amount of real estate a solar farms takes up is huge. 

      Tidal? Well maybe the tech will be there in another 10 years but then it also has to go on the coast line and cause people to complain about the way that looks too.

      Natural Gas? A great source of energy cheap clean, but of course the method of mining again causes eco-mentalists to get all upset.

      Nuclear? The best choice by far but of course it has been turned in to the boogeyman by eco-mentalists and the media.

      Using animals in a way similar to the “Flintstones”? Nope PETA would get all upset.

      So what are we left with? 

      • on site solar…..off the grid……12 years and counting

        • Guest

          Then how are you posting on the internet? If you are at work, how does your place of employment power it’s computers?

          While “off the grid” living, is a nice pipe dream it is not a feasible solution for the near 7 billion people in this world. That “style” of living could not support that size of a population. Maybe back a couple hundred years ago.

          • pbmann

            Placing solar panels on all buildings, residential and business, would reduce the need for oil, gas and coal fired power plants.   Creating and using a smart electrical grid would allow solar power to create enough electrical power to run most of the country.

            Germany, with a much less favorable climate gets almost 20% of their electricity from solar power.  They did this by offering help to homeowners to install solar panels on their houses.  The program was so successful that they actually ranout of money and had to re-budget it.  Solar power is one of the ways that GErmany is going to rid itself of allof it nuclear energy.

          • Guest

            You can’t compare the two countries. The US uses 3.7 billion MW-h/y and Germany only uses 544,500,000 per year. 

            This doesn’t take into consideration other sources of energy all of which the US always uses 10x as much.

            Solar panels would have to make HUGE technological advance to be a replacement.

          • pbmann

            Germany is slightly smaller than Montana with a temporate marine climate and a population of 81 million people.  The US is mostly temporate with a tropical climate in Hawaii and Florida, sub-Artic in Alaska and semi-Arid in the Great Plains and the Great Basin with a population of 313 Million. 

            https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/gm.html

             So if Germany, with a climate less conducive to solar energy can get 20% of their power from solar energy the US can get much more. With the correct investment in smart electric grid and solar panels on every home, office building, public building and business we could greatly decrease our dependancy on coa, oil and natural gas.

            And the solar technology is available now.  Don’t believe the nay-sayers.

            The US uses so much more energy because American businesses and the private sector are very inefficient, which the oil/coal and gas industry’s promote.  Can’t make  a profit on energy not sold, you know.

             

          • Guest

            The main problem with solar power is the cost effectiveness of  the solution.

            Take transport. For hundred if not thousands of years using horse power (literally) was the #1 way to go. That is until the Model T was shown to be more effective and cheap enough for the most people to adopt. Until the Model T, cars were an item few could afford. By using the assembly line, Ford was able to reduce the cost of the cars so the consumer was able to take advantage of the effectiveness of motorized transport.

            Using this example we can apply it to power generation. The sun is free, but solar panels are expensive and require a lot of real estate. Not to mention the cost of turning that energy into useble electricity either through batteries or other means. Right now the technology in both solar panels and batteries for that matter have not reached that tipping point. Until costs come down or effectiveness goes up, solar is not a viable option.

            Also I think that blaming it “big business” is being silly. Big business is smart and they realize that same sort of cost effectiveness of a technology as anyone. Do you not think that Ford would love for you to buy one of their new hybrid cars? Or GE would love to sell you a solar hot water heater rather and an electric one? The only reason that they aren’t the market share is not because of a big conspiracy against green energy, but rather they are not profitable or cost effective to the consumer.

          • pbmann

            Big business is not smart just because they are big business.  Big business make foolish decisions all the time, ask BP if they make smart decisin sin the Gulf.

            Big Oil, Coal and Gas do not want to see any green technologies be successful because they lose money and they own the Republicans and enough Democrats to stop anythign they want.

          • Guest

            You don’t think companies like BP aren’t already developing “green” technologies? They don’t care if it’s coal/oil/gas/pixie dust. They will create a product to sell to the consumer. It’s not the product that matters, it’s the money.

            “green” is the latest fad dreamed up by marketing people to get trendy soccer moms to buy “green” products.

      • Anonymous

        Just so I know …how much of the state would be acceptable to you littered with turbines? The developers want every nubble covered because they make money even if no power is made according to FoulWind’s SEC filing.
        Most of Maine’s pollution comes from Ohio, so why are they not cleaning up their nasty coal fired power plants? 
        Solar can go on rooftops and no massive tree clearing is needed.
        Tidal can go underwater.
        Natural gas is cleaner than coal, and is often “flared off”, burned for nothing, but there needs to be tight regs. and sloppy BP style drilling should be punished to the max.
        Nuke-NEW nuke is worth looking into, it is not like the half century old plants which are due to be shut down soon. 
        No whaling , even though many would be willing to drive all whales into extinction so they could make a buck. Smarten up Japan.
        What are we let with? Plenty of energy because we waste as much as we use. Man would survive without cruise ships, the subsidy sucking and polluting airline industry, and the military could stop being the world’s policemen, for starters. Just my 2 cents worth.

        • Guest

          To explain my point at a level where you might understand. 

          The people most opposed to wind are the same people who are against fossil/nuke/LNG. It comes to a point where you have to realize that people just like to complain and go against any “big” business enterprise. I am willing to bet is Greenpeace was going around putting up turbines, most of the vocal opponents would be over the moon.

          • Anonymous

            You didn’t answer my question. How much of the state would be acceptable to you littered with turbines? Is that hard for you to understand? Your generalizations about anti wind pro Maine citizens are silly.

      • Anonymous

        “Nuclear? The best choice by far but of course it has been turned in to the boogeyman by eco-mentalists and the media.”

        Yep. If only the newspapers hadn’t reported on the nuclear disaster in Japan…. How liberal of them to mention it. What we don’t know about couldn’t possibly happen to us.

        • Guest

          Nuclear is a fine source of energy that has a bad rap. Using modern technology it is possible to have power plants that generate almost zero waste and are orders of magnitude safer than plants built in the 70-80’s.

          It is as if you were to say all cars are unsafe  and should be banned because of someone being killed by a Ford Pinto. 

          • Anonymous

            Where and how do we dispose of the waste from nuclear power plants?

            We are still paying for storage of nuclear waste from Maine Yankee.

          • Guest

            Again this would be a moot point if we used modern facilities. By to your point there was a plan to build Yucca mountain storage facility which would have been a state of the art massive safe storage facility that could have contained untold amount of waste.

            It was shot down by Obama after pressure by the opposition.

        • Anonymous

          Ask the people of northern Japan their opinion of Nuclear

      • Maine does have enough sun for solar power and certainly enough wind for wind generators. The problem comes when these industries are only looked at in terms of corporate profit. The only way these options become viable is when they are installed at the point of use. If every building had it’s own small solar and wind generators, as we see in many places in Europe, then we would see the opportunity to begin to wean our country from oil, coal and gas.

        It is not likely that solar and wind will ever entirely replace our current need for fossil fuel, but we can diminish the need. And if the alternative energy companies in our country are given an even playing field with those in other countries where the governments fully subsidize the technology, who knows, there may be world changing research just up the road for the US. But alas, we may never know, because profit always trumps cheaper/cleaner energy.

        BTW, it might interest you guys to know that when people are making plans for surviving the “end of the world” a huge amount of them have Maine at the top of the list as “the” place to wait out Armageddon. Why? Because the biggest need of survival is fresh, plentiful water. Maine has that. It is a resource that cannot be ignored. And it is a resource that must be protected at ALL costs.

  • Anonymous

    Shorter version: BANANA.

  • Anonymous

    I agree, but admiring nature does not bring jobs.

    • Anonymous

      It actually does, ecotourism. Where are the jobs when the last tree is cut and the natural resources are gone?

  • Guest

  • All property owners in Maine get prepared. What I see from this “study” are higher taxes on the way.

    • Guest

      Yup, If the lack of jobs doesn’t get you the taxes will.

  • Anonymous

    I’ll try again to get beyond the BDN censor robot. My guess is using an old Anglo-Saxon word for the act of urination (in this case, as it happens, into a well) earned me a “your comment must  first be reviewed” notice. Hah! As if anyone believes that one.

    Anyway, what I was attempting to say is, judging from some of the responses posted here the idea of assigning value to our natural resources that looks a bit farther into the future than the next quarterly profit sheet is s0mething incredibly radical and dangerous. Those inclined to drag their knuckles on the ground when they attempt to walk like fully evolved Homo sapiens are aghast. 

    When they feel the urge such individuals apparently feel it is their God-given right to (urinate) down the nearest well. To (heck) with their children and their children’s children.

    Can resentful and ignorant people nurtured on Faux News possibly see beyond simplistic dichotomies in which a tool for the Koch brothers like Paul LePage is a great and sensible guy while another such tool, the sociopathically smooth and self-serving Angus King, is brother to Satan? Probably not.     

  • The world is running out of water;  We have lots.
    The world is short on arable farmland, we have lots.
    The world is getting crowded, we have open space.
    In some places it is getting hard to breath, here we have fresh air.
    In some places it is too hot to live, we have the Ocean as a moderating force.

    Guess I won’t underestimate Maine’s value. 

    I give everyone who does not like it here permission to leave.

    • Guest

      It’s not a matter of wanting to leave, it’s a matter of having to. 

      No jobs, terrible education system, obscene housing prices and high taxes.

      Sure Maine is great to look at and be outside but living here is tough row to hoe. 

      • Anonymous

        I remember visiting a home outside of Presque Isle one January; and finding Orange trees growing in glassed in Atrium’s; while there were 15 degree temps outside. Challenge us to make a harsh enviroment comfy and damned if we don’t do it.

    • You should keep this under your hat.  There are too many people noticing us as it is.  I prefer publicly bad-mouthing the state and enjoying fresh air, the small population, the ocean, and the low crime rate among other things.

      • Rains all spring
        Has a tendency to very low temperatures
        Not much gainful employment
        Too many old farts
        Taxes out of sight
        Old hack politicians
        2 week summer.

        Your point is well taken.

  • “Included in the value of the environment is a forest’s capacity to capture greenhouse gases — which helps fend off the expensive effects of global warming — and natural water filtration systems that help provide one of the necessities of life on Earth.”

    King Angus cracked mother earth’s lifeblood and now pours poisons in the wounds.

    Jobs????  how do u count medicinal marijuan jobs???

  • Briney

    The majority is myopically strained, and pained, in learning they sit atop Nature’s  gold mine.  

  • Eric Kingsley

    Maine landowners would like to know where to send the bill.

  • Anonymous

    You have no right to ruin the state with wind turbine litter. Rich landowners get enough tax breaks, with the rest of us making up or what they do not pay. Sell to Roxanne Quimby if you can’t cut selectively and careully.

  • Anonymous

    Or rare earth minerals like Baiyun Obo in China.

  • Anonymous

    Why did my reply go to the top of the page?

  • Anonymous

    Who ordered this report?  I’m sure Augusta won’t use this as a tool against the towns–again–to force them to raise taxes.  Darn those rich flatlanders, getting a free ride!

  • Conley Raye

    Here’s a guy who is going to fleece the state yet once again.  
    ANGUS KING FOR SENATE? NO THANKS!
    March 03, 2012There are millions of reasons why former governor Angus King shouldn’t be the next senator from the great state of Maine. For starters, he’s an out-of-touch, multi-millionaire one-percenter. Just another plutocrat pretending to be a moderate populist. And Mainers don’t need another millionaire representing them in Washington D.C. That’s why I purchased both the AngusforSenate.com and AngusKingforSenate.com domain names. Because if the former guv decides to run for Olympia Snowe’s seat, I’m gonna have a ton of fun with the Internet. And no, Angus, the domains are not for sale.People always ask me why I’m so anti-Angus.I covered Angus during his first campaign for governor and watched as he spent $1.6 million, over a million of his own cash, to buy his way into the Blaine House. (That was a precedent in Maine electoral politics. Now, thanks to him, it’s no big deal to buy a political office.) Then Angus had the audacity to keep living in Brunswick, while the taxpayers had to foot the heat and hot water bill for an empty governor’s manse. Plus, we paid for the state troopers and their gas, to ferry King Angus back and forth, at high speeds, to work every day. And for the next eight years, as a print and radio journalist, I had to cover the swarmy gov and he drove me crazy.(Because the revisionists will start spewing their sycophantic songs of praise for Angus, I’ll provide a comprehensive list of problems with his reign towards the end of this post.)These days, King is the shrill shill for Independence Wind, one of several wind speculators trying to cash in on federally-backed loans to plant industrial wind farms in rural Maine. These wind farms are the furthest from renewable or affordable energy. In addition to raping ridgelines, destroying habitat and dividing communities, these windmills are bound to become obsolete within the next decade or so, long before generating a fraction of the electric juice promised by King and other snake oil salesmen.But it doesn’t seem King even needs the mega-bucks he’s chasing with windmills. Back in 1994, after frequently refusing to reveal his personal net worth, Angus eventually admitted to the BiddefordJournal-Tribune that he earned $8 million by selling his company (that taught other companies how to reduce their power usage) to Central Maine Power. And you can be pretty sure he’s even richer, now.Just piecing together the easy-to-find numbers, it appears Angus currently has plenty of part-time gigs. His directorship at a troubled Maine bank is a good example. He’s been a member of the board of directors of The Bank of Maine since 2010. Formerly The Savings Bank of Maine, this struggling financial institution has about 80 million in troubled assets and the bank apparently lost a couple million bucks last year alone. (Read more dirty numbers here.) In 2010, after serving on the bank board for seven months, Angus took home $21,500 in cash plus stock options worth $18,000. His compensation for 2011 hasn’t been released yet, but it’ll probably close to $50,000. According to the bank, directors are paid $30,000 per year, plus a grand for every in-person meeting, $750 for participating in a conference call, plus $2,500 for each committee seat. (Angus, apparently, sits on three committees.)I can hear the Kingsters already saying it’s no big deal. After all, a fella gotta eat. True, but after digging around the bank’s annual company report, I also learned that Angus is one of those deluded dudes who think bank presidents are extremely valuable people. Why else would he agree that a bank prez is entitled to a $2,500 a month housing allowance and a $1,500 monthly car allowance? That means the president gets almost $50,000 in annual allowances, plus a huge salary and stock options for over a half million a year. And this at a bank that admits, in its annual report, that there are a dangerous number of potential defaults looming in its commercial loan division.And don’t forget the annual $27,000 state pension Angus gets (and his widow will receive when he dies) for his eight years as governor. That’s over a quarter-million since he left office.Plus, he owns a condo in the Virgin Islands that he rents out for a couple grand a week.Add in the royalties from his rollicking road journal of sex, drugs and gambling published by Down East Books, and the dude is making some serious cash. While most Mainers struggle. Yikes.And in case you’ve forgotten, Angus really didn’t save Maine or turn around Maine’s economy during his eight years as Boss Hog. Instead, he looked out for corporations and the status quo. And remember, he voted for George Bush in 2000.Here’s some of his other “achievements” while in office.He pushed through tax breaks for Bath Iron Works so the shipyard could automate and replace humans with robots.While Maine’s manufacturing jobs headed overseas, Angus touted and coddled call centers as the replacement industry for Mainers.Angus supported tax breaks for Wal-Mart paid for by low-income Lewiston.Angus helped create and empower super-flack Dennis Bailey.Angus sided with lumber companies versus the real environmentalists who were concerned with the poor and poisonous forestry management practices used by industrial tree-growers.Angus, at great expense, made it easier for Maine school kids to get laptops that soon became obsolete, while arts and sports programs were being reduced across the state.And during his eight years in office, he never pushed for alternative energy or dealt with Maine’s real energy problem: our addiction to oil and wasting millions of gallons of black gold to heat a housing stock that’s old and drafty.Sure, that’s all ancient history, but it should serve as a warning. Angus is not a populist. And he doesn’t really give a damn about the common folk.

  • Guest

    Maine’s wilderness is PRICELESS…..priceless. That word applies to anything that can’t be replaced once it’s gone.

  • Anonymous

    Yea those of us who live in the real Maine with woods and animals love it. Except for summer when all the tourists clog the lakes and roads and   ride there 4 wheelers where ever they choose even on our private property. When it gets cold and they all go home Maine returns to the way life should be peaceful and quiet…

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