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  • Guest

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    • Guest

      Agreed. Instead of being respected they are targets for lawsuits and harassment. 

      Not to mention dealing with the human garbage they see on a daily basis would make me sick. 

      • Anonymous

        respect is earned not just given…

        • Why can’t it be the other way around?  I always (try to) show respect to whomever I am dealing with, whether a stranger or not.  Why can’t it be that respect is given until it is proven it is not deserved?  Also, we need to remember, they are humans just like you and me.  Have you ever been 100% on all the time when you are “on the job” whatever job that is?

  • Anonymous

    I find this hard to believe. Really only two jobs left in Maine, being a COP or being a Drug Dealer.

    • Anonymous

      Drug Dealer pays much better and with the court system this state has, you have a much better chance at reaching retirement age with a smile on your face.

    • Bob

      3 jobs actually, you forgot being LePage

      • Bob

        I loved being a police officer but it is a job that owns you.Even though you are on time off you are still checking things out always looking that is the main reason i gave it up.
        I won’t hide behind a screen name My name is Bob Deschenes

        • Anonymous

          Couldn’t hack it, glad you’re gone.

  • 30 APPLICANTS  and none were hired?  Why?  Were they too honest? Guess if u wanna become a police officer these days you have to be corrupt enough to do so. 

    • Old Bear

      I think you will fined that they can’t pass the physical test. Its is very hard. Then when you go to the academy the physical and emotional test to break you down to think like they do is very hard on a person. When you first come out of  Oak Grove Coburn you have a big chip on your shoulder and it takes about a year or two to lose some of it or if you ever do lose it. Some never have the desire to lose it.

      • Anonymous

        Seems like you just have an issue with younger officers. statistically they are the most up to date on new laws and procedures.. Maybe an old timer like you just can’t seem to find it in you to listen to someone younger even if they are right.

        • Old Bear

          One I have no problems with the younger cops, and you old right LOL

    • Robert Gallant

      Its called they can’t pass the physical or the polygraph!  You really need to wake up!

      • Anonymous

        Admit that its more than physicals and polygraphs.

  • Anonymous

     The job is no longer one of public service, but a job of  being a revenue collector and an in-stiller of fear. On their say so alone, they can strip you of your freedom, subject you to humiliation and steal your property.

     As a child growing up in Eastern Maine, the local cops were someone we as teenagers generally trusted and respected. Now they all look and act like Nazi storm troopers. They hide their identities even from their own departments while in riot gear so they can freely abuse individuals without fear of discipline from within their departments.

     The old belief of them being your friendly, helpful, neighbor and trustworthy savior in a time of crisis lays in the dust right beside our eroded and decaying Bill of Rights.

     Being a police officer was at one time a profession anyone would be proud to pursue, no more.

     With few exceptions, I view most LEO’s as thugs, bullies and power hungry nut cases that are over-compensating for their own lack of self esteem.  I’ve personally witnessed an officer lie under oath in a simple traffic case, so if they feel that the citizens are not as helpful as they once were, it’s their own fault.

     Were I to come upon an officer on fire, I would indeed put the fire out, but it would be by the age old method of beating it out with a shovel.

     I doubt that the First Amendment survives or that this post lasts as long as it took to write it.
     Please note that in the above listed rules, I stayed within them.

     This is my opinion. You’re welcome to disagree, but have the decency to defend my right to say what I believe.

    • Anonymous

      Although I feel as though your comment appears to be an extreme generalization of the nature of modern policing and police officers, I can sympathize with the general sentiment of your post.  There are still a lot of good police officers out there, but municipalities are so broke right now because of misuse of taxpayer moneys  that the public safety officers which are emblazoned with the slogan to “serve and protect” in fulfillment of their roles as public servants are now basically used as revenue generators by handing out tickets to supplement the government budgets, and thus police tend to see their roles as being predatory and a class unto themselves.  I wish more people felt like the public safety police officers were still approachable, but really if you are well-to-do the odds are such that you wouldn’t even need to go out of your way to speak to the police and the have-nots who are more likely to need assistance are all considered suspects thanks to profiling, so this whole atmosphere promotes a culture of fear and an us-vs-them mentality which is really unfortunate, but I suppose in a severe economic downturn like we’re in now it is to be expected.

      • Anonymous

        Believe me when I say my true desire is that the current situation be different, but the facts don’t lie. It is what it is!

      • Anonymous

        I think you’re on track here, but I also consider that the militarization of our police entities contributes to the combative nature of the interaction between citizenry and the police.  The propensity of politicians (and police leadership being political office) to identify each issue that arises as a “war” (such as the War on Drugs etc.) furthur increases the “us vs. them” mentality that is becoming so prevalent in our younger police officers.

      • Anonymous

        Bring back the Constable, a civilian post.  And the justice of the peace, a civilian post. Enough of the military government.

        • Anonymous

          Hoora!

      • Anonymous

        You are right about them being broke.  So hire a new Chief because that person will do it for a cheaper salary.

    • Anonymous

      Walk a mile in an officer’s shoes. Then talk.

      • Anonymous

        I have, and more than one mile, but talking will not change anything as long as these new know-it-alls do not admit to their basic leadership failures.  Their leadership attributes come from a book.

      • Anonymous

        Since when did you EVER see one of those lazy sphincters walk anywhere they could take a cruiser — at 15 mph over the speed limit ?

    • Anonymous

      Walk a mile in an officer’s shoes…Then Talk.

    • Anonymous

      I agree with alot of what your saying. Yet you defend your right to say what you believe by hiding behind a screen name. 

      • Anonymous

        I’ve made sufficient posts so that anyone that has followed them knows exactly who I am.

      • Christopher Ruhlin

        So do you, washingtoncntyboy. I however do not and I completely agree with Firecap66.

    • Anonymous

      Walk a mile in an officer’s boots. Then talk.

      • Anonymous

        I have, and more than one mile also.

    • Anonymous

      walk a mile in an officer’s boots. THEN talk.

    • Robert Gallant

      give me a break!

      • Anonymous

        You have your opinion, I have mine. I certainly didn’t expect everyone to agree, but the the whole idea behind having these posts is to allow open frank discussions where a person can air their own opinions. You just aired yours.

        Bernie

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      • Anonymous

        See what I mean, an attitude of egotistical proportions.

    • Christopher Ruhlin

      I agree with you, (except for the shovel). High power water hose would be my first choice.

    • I am not sure of the officers you come in contact with – but I am proud to say I know a large percentage of the officers on my local police force and they definitely still are to many in Ellsworth what one would consider the “friendly, helpful neighbor and trustworthy savior”.  I’ll say it again, I think that no matter what job or career you look at, there are going to be the good apples and the bad apples.  I am sorry that for you, you seem to be running into a lot more of the bad apples as of lately…

  • StillRelaxin

    Gee I can’t imagine why. You’d think folks would be busting done the doors to secure a job where you spend most of your day settling social disputes, trying to reason with folks on drugs, being verbally and physically abused, occasionally getting stabbed or shot at and generally disrespected in every way by the general public. Such is often the fate of anyone who decides to become a teacher, cop, firefighter, or state worker. Anyone suppose that all that disrespect and lack of safety could have something to do with people not wanting to go into such professions these days? Top that off with our new government leadership attacking pensions and benefits of such professions and by golly one would have to think a person would have to be nuts to go into public service. No problem as long as we don’t have any more kids, no one trys to rob us, our houses aren’t on fire, and we’re not in that big of a hurry to get our licenses renewed.  If that’s the case our future is looking fine.  If not, then someday soon we’re going to be asking ourselves how we could have been so short sighted.

    • Anonymous

      You had me agreeing with ya right up until you said “state worker”  While i agree with you on the abuse that police, teachers, firefighters, Emt’s and the like recieve, I cannot agree with you on the people that fix the roads, hold the construction signs or mow the medians..Not all STATE workers dserve the huge pensions they recieve.  Anyone working in a field in which their lives are constantly in jeopardy do though

  • Anonymous

    lol

  • Old Bear

    I think Bangor has some great officers, But two or three of the ones fresh out of police academy in past 1 to 2 years think they are a little bit better then everybody else. But in time they learn they put there pants on the same way we all do. Then they will calm down.

    • Anonymous

      The problem is that its been going on for a few years now, and leadership is only present from book learning, they put us old guys into the pasture and will not attempt to ask for an opinion based upon service.

  • Anonymous

    Who would really want to be aq Police Officer in Maine especially A State Trooper when the Gov’t no longer keeps its promises on Pensions, health insurance and other benefits?   Especially when get to retire after being promises for 25 years a certain benefit package that they take away at the end.  Keep your damage promises that you made to employees to attack them to begin with. DUH.

  • Anonymous

    Its hard to imagine why when they are offering a whole 34,000 per year in salary that they cannot find more than a few to apply.

    • Anonymous

      Plus what you can steal from the evidence locker.

  • Anonymous

    I too have seen an officer lie in traffic court. This was for a simple speeding ticket. It makes one wonder why. Also the article lists all the pre-employment requirements, but says nothing about random drug/alochol testing.  Could it be the fear of loosing yet another officer and being even more short handed? Stillrelaxin mentions all the pressures and disrespect that officers recieve.  Aren’t these types of conditions what make some turn to drug and alcohol abuse?  Many workers must submit to random testing. Truck drivers, railroad engineers, merchant mariners to name a few. I’ve always wondered why a person with a job that entails carrying a firearm and is more often to be put in a position to have to use it would not be on the list of professions requiring random testing.  Why?

    • Anonymous

      Random drug/alcohol testing is a collective bargaining matter in most cases for fire and police organizations. The other problem is some departments you would be conducting “random” testing on some officers multiple times ever year because the departments are so small.

      I agree that it is a reasonable idea especially in light of the two Boston Fire Fighters that died fighting a fire while one had cocaine in his system and the other was legally drunk. But even then, the union fought the additional language in the contract that would have instituted random drug and alcohol testing.

      • Anonymous

         Regardless of the reason, those allowed to carry wepons of deadly force should be required to take the same random drug screens as truckers, merchant mariners and rail workers.
         Fair is fair!

        • Anonymous

          So all those with concealed weapons permits should have random drug tests?  Should the guy driving the ladder truck through a crowded downtown have one too?  After all, he is driving a 30 or 40 ton weapon if used improperly.  What do we do when the cop tests positive for THC when he just broke up a college party the night before?  Is he supposed to mask up before going in Cap?  Go file a grievance.  You need more actual work to do.

      • Anonymous

        Being tested several times a year is the backbone of random testing. If you only test once, a user would know he has a free pass for the rest of the year.  My  company will test the whole crew if one person has an accident or injury, equipment damaged etc. on top of random.  Collective bargaining units are a voice of the whole.  So what is the fear, reasoning, of motivation for police departments to reject random testing? Don’t get me wrong I respect the police and the job that they do but, a cop that would be so willing and able to give a person a breatherlizer test or drug test would not take one themselves is like the fox watching the hen house.

  • Anonymous

    It’s Supply and Demand. 

    Increase the pay.

  • Anonymous

    Police Academy, anyone? 

  • Anonymous

    I know one of those “boderline people” that they had apply! Guy passed the MCJA pft no problem, needed 24 pushups, 34 situps, and 1.5 mile run in 12.53. He got 50 pushups, 48 situps, and 12.06 on run. Served 4 years in the Marine Corps Infantry, served in Afghanistan (OEF I), and did a year in Iraq (OIF III). Worked as a civilian Law Enforcement Firearms Instructor and currently working in a armed security enforcement position. He has some issues in his past but guaranteed no worse then some other people serving as law enforcement officers. He was honest about everything and got the thanks but no thanks! He’s one of the most fair and level headed people I know…..just don’t understand it I guess……good enough to serve his country but can’t serve his community!

    • Anonymous

      I think that does sound silly.

      Sounds like corporations saying there is not enough skill in America anymore, we need to hire foreigners, or go to foreign countries……?

  • Anonymous

    Departments want to much from an individual with little pay.

  • Anonymous

    Might be an academy cost issue too. Wonder how many departments will offer to pay or reimburse if one can pass background checks? You’d think since a war is going on for quite a long time now, there’d be no positions open anywhere in law enforcement. Soldiers coming home need jobs and many go for law enforcement, usually.

  • Bob

    I fail to believe that Most police on the force would pass all the test required to be hired.

  • Jeremy

    I’m speaking from information about a year or so old here but I would imagine it’s still pretty much accurate.  I know a couple people that applied to become cops and they had done the interviews, the drug tests, background…etc.  All clear, all kosher; they could pass the physical easily I’m sure but here’s the thing: the hiring process seems to never advance.  I don’t know if it’s bureaucracy as usual with one hand not know what the other is doing, or some sort of lame cost-cutting measure, but from what they’ve told me as much as Maine police precincts seem to be gung ho about recruiting they aren’t very eager to actually HIRE.

  • Anonymous

    I know people that can pass that fitness test, myself included. I think the women’s test is too easy……. :D

    But, with all the people running around trying to legalize, saying it’s not that bad, and now there is a medical marijuana law, I could see that being an issue in the hiring process if it’s a problem if its ever in your life at any point in time kind of situation.

    Border guards need to be chem free for three years.

    Someone changed a swimming requirement for officers before somewhere because they could not find enough black people who could swim 150M. Maybe a law needs to be changed, for the safety of people?

  • Chris Johnson

    It’s pretty obvious the pay isn’t that great. but that’s not the problem. First of all to the guy who says most cops nowadays are nazi stormtroopers.. grow up, dude. Just because you saw one cop lie under oath doesn’t mean jack. And i suppose your some sort of superhuman who can just look at a cop and tell their life fortune and intentions too? lol. Lastly, the king of psuedo science. AKA the “lie detector” should be abolished in all 50 states for pre employment purposes. As the people operating them are just as inaccurate as the machine itself…

  • Anonymous

    Police treat everyone like a terrorist always intilling fear, searching people without warrant and manufacturing cause.  They operate under the color of law and ignore constitutional rights. They make sure younger people have a record of infractions so they can not think of being a cop.  The war on drugs has destroyed our hope for freedom.  This will only get worse unless somone has the courage to end the war.

    We are not the enemy!

    • Anonymous

      Tell that to most of the members of the Waldo County Sheriffs office, they do not seem to separate criminals from honest citizens when their heads get full of themselves.

  • Anonymous

    I went to school with a guy that made his way to Trooper in the County. Still there as far as I know. Guy had a major anger issue. Like blowing up and flying off the handle at the slightest provocation. How come the rigorous screening process didn’t weed him out? Cause he’s a troopers trooper. All type-A power and control freak…

    Another guy in Waterville stopped me for suspicion of a stolen car (never mind I was buying it and had the receipt in my hand). Unmarked Baldie treats me like I am public enemy number one and I didn’t break any laws! I dislike LEO’s generally, which is unfortunate because I know there are good people on the forces…but they seem to attract people that get off on yanking other people around…

  • Anonymous

    There are alot more reasons for the lack of applicants, the new-guard will not admit to them, they have been put in to their leadership positions and are unable to perform so put the blame on the lack of good candidates.  We of the old system of respecting citizens, educating them, and serving have been put out to pasture because of age, not because of not wanting to continue mentoring, etc.  The new guard is much too egotistical to put up with us, they know better, ask them.  This is a social problem extending to selectmen, councils, town managers etc.  The same as the so-called “Community Policing”, something we did as a daily fact of life, these new Chiefs etc., attempt to educate an officer on it instead of mentoring and one-on-one leadership.  You get what you sow.  Better stop now, I am sure I am upsetting this better than thou generation.

  • Guest

    Everyone has a bad cop story, but everyone has a bad customer service story with someone from another business.

    Every time they do a traffic stop of knock on a door they have a chance of getting attacked or killed. It is in their best interest to treat every person as someone who potentially could hurt them. It’s not that they don’t like you personally, its just that they have families they’d like to see at the end of the shift.

    How to deal with a traffic stop:
    1. Pull over as soon as it is safe to do so.
    2. Turn off your car
    3. Keep your hands clearly visible when the officer walks over
    4. Have all your paper work in one place and wait until asked to give it.
    5. Be polite and never argue. Even if you feel like you are in the wrong, the side of the road is not a courtroom.

    Follow these tips and you might just find yourself getting off with a warning or at least a reduced fine.

    • Anonymous

      Rules for Obeying the Gestapo?

      • Guest

        Hey I have more money and fewer points because I use common sense and am polite.

        • Anonymous

           You gave sound advice on handling traffic stops, but any licensed driver  should know that already. My larger point is that we are becoming a police state ever so slowly. Like the frog in the pan of water…You see that unmanned aerial surveillance drones are next up? In addition to the little undercover sneakymobiles the Staties are already employing to illegally surveil the general public…

          • Guest

            It is a very hard line to toe. Protecting the safety of the country, state, town etc.. without violating people’s personal privacy.

            Sadly there is no line drawn in the sand that states what is too much. It is up to the public that these organizations are protecting to make sure that lines don’t get crossed.

            My point above was that the only interaction 99% of the people will have is during a traffic stop.

          • Anonymous

             Agreed.

          • Anonymous

            Again. Who cares if they are watching if you’re doing nothing wrong.. Guilty conscience.. 

          • Anonymous

            Sure. Whatever you say lemming…What if what I am “doing” isn’t illegal but I would like it to remain private?

      • Anonymous

        Don’t break the law and you won’t have to deal with it.

  • Guest

    For those of you who have not one positive word to say about our police…….don’t call them when one of those bath salts idiots is hanging over your bed at 2 in the morning with one of your own steak knives headed for your throat….call each other…..

    • Anonymous

       How about I just deal with it myself? No false bravado here, but the cops aren’t going to save your life in that situation. Even with the quickest response they will arrive in time to put a sheet over your lifeless body.  Self protection, like so many other things in this country, is a lost art being farmed out to the nanny state.

    • Anonymous

      Remember that when seconds count, the cops are only minutes away. 

      • Anonymous

        In most places yes, but in Bangor depending where you are they are seconds..

        • Anonymous

           The only two times I’ve needed the police they have been less than worthless.

  • Anonymous

    There are a lot of great officers out there.  The problem is that a few power-hungry younger guys that are much more interested in “badge bunnies” than public service make the rest of their department look bad! 

    I worked in law enforcement for many years and met a lot of wonderful people.  However, working days, nights, weekends, and holidays isnt all its cracked up to be for the amount of money.  If you’re going to go to college and get a degree, get a degree that will make you more money and a Mon-Fri work week.

    Polygraph tests, physical fitness tests, and everything else that goes into a job that will pay you $14-$17 an hour to start isnt worth it.  Lastly,  the article quotes administrators within several departments stating “we only want the best”  I tend to agree with that however, with the current stipulations in place and after this article I expect the applicant numbers to go down even more…When you’re critical of the applicants I dont think you could expect anything different 

    • Anonymous

      True.. but just because there are less applicants you can’t lower standards. Then you’ll end up with a shabby force protecting the shabbier helpless. 

      • Anonymous

        I agree to a point. I just think they could losen up just a little bit! If someone experimented with substances years ago or drove after having a few too many…hard to find people that havent.

  • Guest

    Its funny they need to pass physical tests to become a cop but once you are one you can turn into a donut swilling hog who couldnt chase down a burglar if they had to…i guess thats why they have tasers.

    • Anonymous

      I’m sure most officers wonldnt have a problem chasing someone like you down. Next time you need an officer don’t call.. not worth the time and money.

      • Guest

        I dont break the law..no need to chase me. And I tend to not need to call the police alot. I mind my own business, work 2 jobs and raise my family…but thanks for assuming I’m a crook. Thats nice of you.

  • Can i be a cop?

  • Anonymous

    I also imagine background checks are better and more thorough these days than they were years ago; therefore, making it harder to find candidates that meet the standards of yesteryear.

    I hope for the safety of people some laws and rules can change for the times. People wear different clothes than before, women and black people now vote. Are the requests reasonable when no one can be hired for the job?

    Do we want a country full of undesirable, un-hirable people?

    Is there a way to give people a second chance or a light at the end of the tunnel?

    We all know there are bad cops……..

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