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  • StillRelaxin

    Back in 1995 do you suppose ANYONE could have imagined that the 1st time it would be used would be against “General assistance and Psychiatric facilities?”  Poor, mentally or physically ill, and elderly really Mr. LePage?  Talk about going for a political cheap shot at the weakest and most powerless among us.   What kind of a person would even think of such a thing?   

    • Anonymous

      In what scenarios should or could these cuts be made?

      • StillRelaxin

        AFTER cuts have been made in EVERY area that doesn’t include people. Remember that “Putting People First campaign slogan?” Was that to just another lie? Seems in Mr. LePage’s mind those on general assistance or placed in psychiatric facilities aren’t really people. Honestly it feels like I’m watching old new reels of humans who have been judged as unworthy being crammed into railroad cars. Americans will not let that happen here. The sooner Paul discovers this the better. Sadly he’s of a mindset that will never understand the error of his ways even after he’s torn down the party that put him in power and has been booted to the curb by voters who are increasingly realizing what a sad example of humanity he is.

        • Anonymous

          Don’t nearly all aspects of the budget include people? There is education, that obviously benefits people, LePage did not try to cut that but stated that cuts had to be made somewhere, and it may have to be education if not welfare, and everyone freaked out about that. Besides, cuts have been made to many areas, this is including under Bladaccis term. Welfare NEVER gets cuts, EVER, because this is exactly how people react. And I think your comparison between cuts to general assistance and the total disrespect for human life a little ridiculous and extreme.

          Making cuts to any other programs other than welfare or healthcare to reduce our budget is like shooting a freight train with a BB gun. Healthcare and welfare is where a majority of our money goes, just eliminating the fraud, abuse, and waste alone would probably be all that is needed.

          • StillRelaxin

            “Don’t nearly all aspects of the budget include people?” True, but why fixate and do the MOST harm to the NEEDIEST people? You’re disregard of that fact makes everything else you said appear to be little more than excuses to justify harming those whom you yourself clearly don’t hold in very high esteem either. Not the first time we’ve witnessed folks search for such justifications to dehumanize others for their own benefit, eh?

          • Anonymous

            No it is not the first time. We see you dehumanize people in your posts all the time. You do so in the need to prove that your beliefs and opinions are superior and that anyone who may disagree with you deserves to be rendered impotent by you comparing them to horrible figures in history like your previous posts compares Republicans to Nazis. The funny thing is that you probably have no interest in explaining how the Democrats ran concentration camps in this country at the same time Nazis did in Europe.

          • If those ” Democrat ” American Prison camps of the world war ll era where today, Republicans would call them  ” Welfare  Camps” and have a Tax Revolt!

          • Anonymous

            The reality remains that the Democrat hero FDR put American Citizens and Legal Residents who were not white in concentration camps against their will with zero proof they represented a danger to anyone.

            That fact makes certain peoples claims of war crimes against George Bush look pretty foolish.

          • Anonymous

            Hmmmm… “impotent”…. You just might be onto something there….

        • Eric Jackson

          I believe the Democrats, with an ever expanding welfare program to garner more votes, have done more to harm the quality of peoples lives than the current cuts will cause.  We are getting into the realm of multi generational welfare families who only know how to sit and hold out their hand.  Helping people through a rough patch seems to be turning into freebies for life.  We are only a few years behind Mass in most ways Democratic.  I suppose if the Dems do win back majorities in the legislature it won’t be long until we are buying cars, paying auto insurance, filling gas tanks, buying cell phones and so on.  IMHO, all that does it take away the incentive for people to try and make themselves better.  Are all people going to get the same result?  No.  But at least they would try.  I think the idea of limited lifetime benefits is what we need to be looking at.  I’m sure that would be equally abused and used as a vacation by some, but at least those of us that take pride in work, risk and reward would get some relief. 

          • Anonymous

            My property taxes going up 50% to cover the gap is most certainly going to impact my quality of life.  Its either going to be that or there will be a bunch more desperate people doing desperate things on the streets.

        • Anonymous

          Maybe if you read Lepage’s bio I think many would have to come to the conclusion he has some insight into the problem.

          • Anonymous

            If you’ve read the newspapers at all in the past several years you would come to the conclusion that he does not.

          • Guest

            He has forgotten much then.

          • Anonymous

            What would make people, such as yourself, happy? Tax everyone who makes say, $50,000 or more a year at 100% and guarantee everyone healthcare, and working wages of $20/hour regardless of employment status? They have tried similar systems over, and over again with the same results. Not good.

        • Considering  spending “related to people”  consist of about almost all of what we spend, that would seem like a silly approach.

    • Guest

      Go back 11 years … to “1984” to the Orwellian nightmare that predicted people like this. Orwell had zeroed in on the refuse that is similar to those of our wickedly extreme governor. That’s what I like so much about science fiction, it’s a window that looks into a possible future, unfortunately this time those possibilities have come to fruition.

      • RockyGMarshall

         I would look to the fine work that is “Animal Farm” ,myself.

    • Guest

      Just how does your comment pertain to the problem with the article or the law.  How does it advance the problem to a solution?

    • Anonymous

      What kind of a person?  Someone who’s walked in their shoes and knows exactly where the problem lays. How soon people forget about why AMHI was dismantled and before it PINELAND; and now the  Dorothea Dix Psychiatric Hospital . 

      Only a lobbyist for the social welfare industry would ignore the impact of Obamacare on the health of low income people and it’s impact on funding. 

      If anything, these vetoes strengthen the safety net for vulnerable populations. 

      btw. be sure to save some tears when the Legislature comes  back in May to deal with the rest of the fiscal mess in DHHS left by the Baldacci regime.

    • Anonymous

      people like you are the problem, whenever the budget needs to be balanced you cry.he as alot on his plate to repair years of liberal abuse of the system. the ones who dont pay taxes allways cry the aclu should be indited as a rouge group bent on destuction of the economy

      • StillRelaxin

        “People like me?” Didn’t Paul LePage just take a balanced budget that was worked on and agreed upon by every legislator in the State and make it unbalanced? In doing so didn’t he also just throw every local municipality’s budget into chaos? Yep, to both those questions. Perhaps you should pay less attention to nobody me and more attention to what your leader is doing to our State?

      • pbmann

        Or you mean people like LePage that give a $200 million tax cut to the rich and then have to cut $200 million from the budget because there is a budget shortfall of $200 million.

        • Anonymous

          What are these tax cuts to the rich everyone is talking about? I will assume you are referring to the cut of the top tax bracket which starts at $20,000 AGI, are you suggesting that is rich? Our state income tax brackets are no where close to as progressive as at the federal level. Let’s not forget him completely eliminating taxes for many as well, who are far from rich.

    • Anonymous

      Cutting money for general assistance does not make the problem go away; cities are mandated to serve the people of their communties with this assistance (it is a mandated program), and the money has got to come from somewhere…so smaller departments and non-mandated services will be cut for this, with people losing jobs…forcing some of them to need help to get back on their feet until they can find another job.  You can line-item veto all you want, but it’s not cutting the general assistance program – you’re destroying everyone else in the process who work for the state and cities or programs which in turn, will be considered not needed (when many of them are…) When is it going to stop, Mr. Lepage?  Will you cease when everyone in this state is povertized and jobless?

      • fourCatssoon

         Don’t look for it to stop. I note by the non stop comments like from kickmeoffBDN i would bet he is on the state payroll some where and spends his day here in counter attacks any comments about the “WORST” Governor in Maine’s history. That is his full time job, see where your money is being spent:)

    • Anonymous

      Why would anyone be stupid or naive enough to support the idea of a line item veto?  Its basically the same thing as having a king.

  • Anonymous

    Bring the legislature back.  Those that don’t show, well that’s too bad.

    • Anonymous

      I agree!  Count them as absent and take a vote!  It sounds like most of them have been absent from the public will for some time now anyhow.

      • Anonymous

        Gee, another alternative would be to encourage them to follow NOBAMA’s lead by simply voting “PRESENT”, a most cowardly decision by anyone claiming to be a Public Servant!

        • pbmann

          Yes, because Obama is the only person to have ever used the “Present ” vote ever.

    • StillRelaxin

      For anyone not playing politics “Shall act” logically means will/must act within five days. The games these “comfortable” people are playing (While sitting in their comfortable homes with their comfortable state retirement and healthcare plans) with the lives of people who have nothing (In some cases not even their mental abilities) is absolutely frightening. If they ever thought of anyone other than themselves they’d never be able to sleep at night.  Every GOP/Tea Party member who refused to abide by the five day rule needs to be identified and if they’re up for re-election removed in November. 

      • RockyGMarshall

        If  your interpretation of “Shall act” is to be considered , then why would the need to “poll the members”  be specifically stated? It seems the polling of members is an act in itself, one laid out and  directed specifically.

        • Anonymous

          The legislature cannot act unless it is in session. Polling the members from their living room chairs is no more of an official vote than the CNN poll of likely voters is an official election.

          • Anonymous

            Technically, according to a previous BDN article, the legislature is, indeed, still in session.  They’ve simply recessed until May 15th.

          • Anonymous

            Recess allows a break between periods of legislative business, not an opportunity to conduct legislative business from Bermuda.

          • RockyGMarshall

            No, technically they are in session,just in recess,that is what the “polling”   step is addressing.

    • Anonymous

      You want them back raise the hundreds of thousands of dollars it cost to have this session.  Most folks don’t want them back in session to waste taxpayers money on this issue. They would like to rather see huge cuts in if not total elimination of these programs which Mainers no longer can afford.

      • Tyke

        It won’t cost anything even close to “hundreds of thousands of dollars” for a one  day session.

        • Anonymous

          Darkcat uses special math. 

      • Guest

        Hundreds of thousands …. must be some sort of ‘new’ math.
        You can’t just eliminate people either.

      • Anonymous

        It’s not a special session. They have not adjourned, only recessed,

      • kcjonez

        Unfortunately, a huge factor in this equation is the timing.  The republican party votes do not ask if their members think they should vote on this, they ask if they should reconvene and vote on this.    
        Of course they don’t want to reconvene, they’re scattered all over the planet by now.  

        I am very concerned of the long term ramifications of future governors of any party exercising this line item veto power and expecting to settle the matter with a phone call or two.  We, the voters of Maine deserve to see our elected representatives officially sign their names to their vote on this issue.  

        Otherwise, we have all been hornswoggled.  We just sold the farm.

  • Anonymous

    Not acting is acting?  Is that what the Republicans are saying??  It’s crazy.  By the GOP definition, anything–anything–counts as taking action.  Because not taking action counts as action.

    Wrong!!!

    • Anonymous

      It’s funny to see life from a different point of view. This reminds me of Obama’s argument that by NOT participating in commerse, you ARE participating in commerse.  If you think ObamaCare’s mandate is constitutional under the commerse clause, you should fully support the republican “action” position.

      You just happen to disagree with the outcome.  I’m pretty sure there is a word for that….

      • Anonymous

        You spelled “commerce” wrong.  More importantly you just admitted that the Republicans are acting stupidly.

        • Anonymous

          Thanks for the correction.  Its difficult getting ready for work while typing.  Perhaps I should hire a proof reader, there…one more job created.

          I agree with you.  They are acting stupidly, it should have an up or down vote.  But let’s be honest.  We are no longer a nation of laws, we are a nation of men.  Just as Obama wants to play word games to parse constitutional intent, so the Republicans are now doing.  

          What the Republicans are doing is no more hypocritical than the ObamaCare supporting liberals who oppose them.  I’m glad you agree that ObamaCare is unconstitutional and was justified stupidly.     

          • Anonymous

             The founding Fathers required every man to purchase a gun and every sailor to purchase health insurance.  Although I am sure you believe you know more about original intent than they do.

          • Anonymous

            “The founding Fathers required every man to purchase a gun ”

            Really?  Got any links to this heretofore unknown bit of our history?

          • Anonymous

             Not exactly unknown.  Most people who care to keep up with history have known it for years.  http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/102620/individual-mandate-history-affordable-care-act

          • Anonymous

            “Columbia law professor and legal historian Philip Hamburger passes along the following comment on Einer Elhauge’s use of early maritime acts as historical precedent for the individual insurance mandate: 

              In defense of the constitutionality of the ACA under the Commerce Clause, Einer Elhauge points to early federal statutes on firearms and seamen.  The relevant provisions of these statutes, however, did not rest on the Commerce Clause.

            A 1792 statute cited by Elhauge required citizens enrolled in the militia to purchase their own firearms.  Two other statutes cited by him provided for seamen, and these statutes seem particularly relevant to the question of mandated healthcare and health insurance.  A 1790 enactment required ships venturing outside American waters to maintain a medicine chest (or in default of this, to pay for the care of their sailors).  A 1798 statute required individual seamen to contribute to a hospital fund.  According to Elhauge, these enactments suggest that Congress has long enjoyed authority under the Commerce Clause to mandate healthcare and the purchase of health insurance.

            The relevant provisions, however, apparently arose under Congress’s military powers.….

            Like the requirement that able-bodied men purchase firearms, the provisions for seamen looked ahead to future military needs.  And just as the one arose under the power to provide for the militia, the other arose under the power to provide for the navy.

            It thus is evident that these early federal statutes do not support the constitutionality of congressionally mandated healthcare, whether an employer mandate or an individual mandate.  On the contrary, the early federal mandates to provide healthcare or to purchase health insurance arose under the government’s power to provide for the navy.  This was a military power, and the statutes adopted under it are not precedents for a power to regulate civilians under the Commerce Clause.

            http://volokh.com/2012/04/19/phillip-hamburger-on-the-maritime-acts/

          • Anonymous

            Philip Hamburger is widely regarded as a revisionist.  Which is ironic, since we are talking about original intent.  He has argued that free speech can be abridged (ironically, he claims that the First Amendment allows this, yet does not allow church and state separation).  His ideas are so important in fact that the only ones to publish them have been National Review the pseudo-intellectual publication of Libertarians who just can’t face reality.

          • Anonymous

            He may be “widely regarded as a revisionist” on Wikipedia; I suppose there are still some who regard that as a reliable source.

            Here’s his bio from Columbia Law School, a rather more credible source.  He’s a respected law professor who’s scholarship focuses on constitutional law and its history. 

            http://www.law.columbia.edu/fac/Philip_Hamburger

            His publications include have appeared in Harvard Law Review, Emory Law Journal, Supreme Court Review, Virginia Law Review, George Washington Law Review, Texas Law Review, Columbia Law Review.

            You actually think that National Review is a libertarian publication?  LOL!

          • Anonymous

             Sorry, I always get my flavor of nut-job conservatives mixed up.  They are not libertarian.  They are members of the new pseudo conservatives. 

          • Anonymous

            No problem, it’s common knowledge that moonbats are easily confused.

            BTW, National Review was founded by the late William F. Buckley.  Think he was a new pseudo conservative?

          • Anonymous

             Founded does not equate to IS.  Buckley of course was a pseudo-intellectual.  I mean the guy even faked an accent.  (unless of course you buy the argument that because he attended school in England for 5 years in his teens he should talk in a British Accent).  However, no matter how pompous Buckley is, his magazine has gone off the rails in recent years.  They are crackpots at this point and a shell of their former self.

          • Anonymous

            “Buckley of course was a pseudo-intellectual”

            Of course, he could never rival the great minds of the left (see:  Peace and Justice Center), but even the New York Times  printed a respectful obituary at his death:

            http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/27/business/media/27cnd-buckley.html?pagewanted=all

            The “fake accent” is called “proper English” and I could see where it might intimidate you.

            “However, no matter how pompous Buckley is”

            That would be “was.”  He’s dead.

            I would agree the magazine has gone off the rails in recent years.  They’ve drifted leftward, and are losing their credibility. 

            He was a brilliant conservative and an iconoclast, in other words an individual.  It’s a concept that the collectivists on the left are incapable of comprehending.

          • Anonymous

             I’m sorry if fake British Accents are proper English then we should all be running around talking like Madonna.  I will agree with you William F. Buckley would be brilliant according to Conservative standards, but that is setting the bar pretty low, it would make him lower intelligence bordering on MR with the general population.

          • Anonymous

            You do realize that your “arguments” have reached the lofty level of sticking out your tongue and shouting “Neener, neener,” right?

          • Anonymous

             Just returning in kind what you project.  Anytime you start to criticize someone for using is instead of was you debase your own argument.

          • Anonymous

             I am curious, how exactly does Hamburger argue that private commercial merchants were required to buy insurance because they were part of the military?  It sounds like he made up his mind and then decided to manipulate the narrative to fit his skewed world view.

          • Anonymous

            Read my link.

          • Anonymous

             I read the link, and it is flawed reasoning.  Not a huge surprise.  That is what happens when you start with a flawed narrative and work backwards.  http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/102739/individual-mandates-history-maritime-law

          • Anonymous

            Compulsively re-posting the link from The New Republic, not a very credible source, doesn’t exactly bolster your “argument.”

          • Anonymous

             Apparently you aren’t aware that the second link was a rebuttal to Revisionist Philip Hamburgers analysis (actually others on the right who tried the same mental gymnastics required to get to the conclusion that the founders would be against Health Care reform and the Individual mandate).

          • Anonymous

            Of course I’m aware of the rebuttal.  I’m not terrified of opinions I disagree with, unlike, well—you know.

            In fact, I want the left to regurgitate their dogma at every opportunity.  The more they reveal themselves, the more their credibility goes down the chute.

            The idea that the Founders were all for encouraging individuals’ dependence on government is so inimical to their core beliefs that it defies reason and flies in the face of historical fact.

          • Anonymous

             Yes, requiring people to purchase their own insurance is totally the same thing as relying on government.

          • Anonymous

            Doesn’t it depend on the definition of “IS”?

      • Anonymous

        I worked with the Ducks some years ago.  Still have my Boozewood Staff t-shirts. 

    • RockyGMarshall

      LOL. your funny.

  • Anonymous

    I believe that what this boils down to is, a lot less republicans next November and a hopeful recall of this teaparty Governor. 

    • RockyGMarshall

       lol, keep  talking about the  recall.  funny.

  • These are not frivolous items. General Assistance is a required service.

    What the Governor is doing isn’t cost cutting. It’s buck passing.

    Municipal leaders already understand the implications to their budgets and the taxes they will need to levy unless State funds are available.

    • Eric Jackson

      General Assistance is only required by Dems to keep voters on a leash.  Welfare is worse than crack.  People who hook others on it should go to jail.  Passing the cost back to municipalities is a good way to take the anonymity out of the system.  Hopefully, people will be less likely to stay on the dole if they know it’s their neighbors footing the bill.  Maybe we should make welfare cases wear yellow jumpsuits so we can bring back the much needed human emotion of shame.  It could be a great motivator to get people to TRY.

      • Anonymous

        Not required by Dems, required by THE LAWS OF THE STATE. 

        I understand that some of us think we are somehow above the laws that that the rest of the peseants and peons have to abide by, judging by your comments you may be one of them.

      • Im sorry that a few dollars comes out of your pocket each week to help the needy because it is plain to see how you feel. I hope and pray that you never get injured or have a health issue that causes you to use the same system that you complain about, Let’s see how you feel about being forced to wear a yellow suit then .I’m not saying everyone deserves help but i am not willing to punish the many because of a few. WAKE UP

      • Guest

        …and tattoo numbers on their arms while you’re at it…..

        • Eric Jackson

          Actually wear yellow jumpsuits and lose the right to vote while you are on the dole.  Ben Franklin had it right when he said “When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the
          end of the republic.”  He knew it 200+ years ago and the D’s are still trying to think it thru.

          http://jpetrie.myweb.uga.edu/poor_richard.html

          • Guest

            Winston Churchill—–”
            The truth is incontrovertible, malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end; there it is.”

  • Guest

    What sort of action is no action… This is ridiculous behavior.

    • They did act, you just don’t agree with the action.

      • Tyke

        What action did they take?

        • They polled the elected officials to determine what action was necessary. This is an action.

          • Tyke

            No it is not.

      • Guest

        What action? They took no action.

      • Anonymous

        The legislature cannot act on anything unless they are in session. To act requires a vote. To have a vote requires a quorum. A roll call. Legislators voting on the record. Not failing to answer a phone call and having that interpreted as not wanting to reconvene.

        • Anonymous

          Vote “Present”!

  • Anonymous

    No need to get all steamed up over the Republicans gaming the system. November 6th gets nearer and nearer by the day. Let them have their fun then they will be cast onto the pile of political insignificance for another 40 years. The people of Maine just have to remember to elect huge democratic majorities in both houses of The Maine Legislature and all of this foolishness will be undone. LePage will be reduced to giving speeches to his TABOR pals and not much more. Just remember come next January there will be a better chance of finding snowballs lining the walls in hell then there will be in finding a republican in Augusta.

    • Anonymous

      What is wrong with a taxpayers bill of rights? How are Republicans gaming the system? A change in direction is not a bad thing, 40 years of what we have had has brought us some very serious problems.

      We have problems with our welfare system in this state, our income taxes are among the highest in the country, our corporate taxes are among the highest in the country, he is the first person to try to do anything about this for the first time in a long time. But for some reason you enjoy paying excessive amounts of taxes, and love all of the people who get shipped to Maine from other states or even countries because we have the “best” welfare system in the country. Do you know what happens when there are more people receiving welfare benefits than there are working? Historically it collapses societies, I am guessing you did not know that.

      • Anonymous

        I really don’t think I need someone who thinks toystory2was ok to tell me what I know and don’t know. I like to think for myself. I know you are used to having others tell you what to think, but it just isn’t my cup of tea. And oh yes lest we forget Maine is considered Club Med for the welfare set. Do you actually believe some of the tripe you are selling? 

        • Anonymous

          The most offensive part of your comment is that you are implying that you did not think Toy Story 2 was OK. 

          What I find interesting is that all of my opinions and understanding of things come from my own conclusions based on my observations. I don’t know exactly how people would be telling me how I should think regarding Maine politics, the Maine Libertarian media? 

          I actually really started hating our welfare system after personally knowing several people who take great advantage of the system that is supposed to be meant for the needy, not only are they stealing from the needy but they are stealing from the hard working men and women of Maine.

          As far as believing the “tripe I am selling”, yes, I guess I do believe it because I witness it. Not sure how you are able to totally ignore these issues, but to each his or her own I guess.

          I don’t think anybody thinks welfare abuse is okay, but the difference here is that you believe that there is absolutely no welfare fraud or abuse. I personally know several people on welfare, none of them should be on it.

          Other than that, I don’t know….what else do you think is tripe?

          • Anonymous

            Where have I said there is no welfare fraud or abuse? I will await your showing me where I said that.

          • Anonymous

            Part of the problem here is people keep talking about one side and harping on it, often with anecdotal information.  

            As Tinserblic posted above:  You lament against the poor, but you have not a word to say against the sickening and disgusting corporate welfare and welfare for the rich in the form endless job killing tax loopholes (like those of your multimillionaire buddy Romney who hides his “investment income” in the Caymans, produces NO jobs, and pays half the tax rate that you and I pay), job killing tax writeoffs, and job killing tax subsidies for corporations like the oil companies that already make record profits.  What about THAT welfare?  

            So it seems there are “welfare” cheats on the top AND the bottom, the poor and the corporate gods–so if it appears there is fraud on both parts why do you harp only about one group?  

        • RockyGMarshall

          Instead of  semi veiled insults, why not  try to dispute  some of his assertions, directly? The three  he spoke of recently  were; taxes among the highest in the Nation ,welfare abuse  and  Tax payer to welfare recipient  ratio.
          Interesting fact for you, about 86million people(out of a total of 313,382,000) pay taxes in  our Country(2010 figures). Thats  about 43 percent  of working age adults are paying taxes.Sound sustainable?

          • Anonymous

             how many of these working age adults, are the working poor?

          • RockyGMarshall

            I’m not sure, I’ll have to  look it up and get the calculator out. Before I spend the time on it, what would be your point?  My point was  that we have far fewer people  paying for a Gov. than those dependent on it.
            If you would like a really scary number,  take that 86million number (workers actually paying  income tax)  and subtract  from that those who work for the Government(fed.state and local). It is a scary,scary number.

          • Anonymous

            Don’t forget to also subtract out all the corporate “people” who aren’t paying any income tax.  That, my friend, is a very scary number indeed.

      • Anonymous

        Just guessing but my intuition tells me the liberal posters on here are just liberal with other people’s money.

        • Anonymous

          Do as I say not as I do. Never lead by example. I’ve noticed that….

        • Anonymous

          That is the political meaning of liberal in it’s entirety.

          Liberals are fond of saying “I believe this is a good use of “our” money”.

          • Conservatives are fond of saying, ” Don’t Tax Me, I ‘am a job Creator,  Tax the Other Guy, the one that works for a living !

            Hey, while we are  at it lets take his land by eminent domain and build a Private road on it so we can charge him a toll to drive on it to get to work!

          • Anonymous

             Conservatives are fond of saying things like “Keep the government hands off of my medicare,” and “Don’t take my welfare, I need it, and I once held a job, unlike that lazy minority over there.”  Boy isn’t this a fun game to play.  How about instead of going down this childish road you started us on, we instead debate the issues.  We can start under the default position that we are BOTH tax payers and simply have differing ideas on how our money should be spent.  I believe that it should be spent providing a BARE minimum quality of life for people who need a little bit of help, and you believe it should be spent giving businesses tax breaks and spending on defense.  It is simply a philosophical difference.

        • Guest

          As are conservatives! I am shocked that they never turn back a federal buck.

        • Anonymous

          Funny, all the welfare recipients on my street (and there are quite a few) love to talk about how they are stalwart republicans.

        • Anonymous

          So in your opinion only conservatives pay taxes? 

      • Anonymous

        TABOR, rejected three times already by Maine voters (including its Palesky Bill twin), is a corporate Grover Norquist SCHEME to tie public budgeting into crazy knots, starve vital services, and shift the tax burden even more from the rich to the middle class and the poor.  You are swallowing ALEC/Heritage Foundation/Fox News propaganda nonsense hook, line, and sinker.  The rich have never been richer, and the wealth of this nation has been sytematically transferred from the middle class to the rich.  You lament against the poor, but you have not a word to say against the sickening and disgusting corporate welfare and welfare for the rich in the form endless job killing tax loopholes (like those of your multimillionaire buddy Romney who hides his “investment income” in the Caymans, produces NO jobs, and pays half the tax rate that you and I pay), job killing tax writeoffs, and job killing tax subsidies for corporations like the oil companies that already make record profits.  What about THAT welfare?  Not to mention all the no-bid military industrial complex contracts, way too many overseas bases, and on and on.  Your GOP TeaParty is OVER come November.  Jesus would be DISGUSTED with the job-killing GOP.  The GOP lives to kill American jobs and to transfer the nation’s wealth to the highest corporate bidder.

        • Anonymous

          Tabor is a lot like the gay marriage bill.

          You speak of Jesus and so I think you must be familiar with the Ten Commandments. The tenth commandment tells us not to covet anything that is our neighbors, Nothing! Gods message on wealth redistribution seems to be very clear. The message seems to be Forget About It!

          Please, if you want to rail against Romney be partial and rail about the much richer corporate satanists Soros and Turner along with all the Hollywood Democrat Actors like Damon and Penn that are multi millionaires.

          • Anonymous

             Yet here you are coveting all those mad welfare loot that your neighbor has.

          • Anonymous

            Your using some sort of talking point. My posts have only spoken about lowering the tax burden, the role the State plays in GA, putting the focus of funding these programs on the local level, where it belongs in my opinion. I havent mentioned anything about welfare fraud. You have, therefore it must be a concern of yours.

          • Anonymous

            Could you point out where I mentioned welfare fraud?  Clearly from your interpretation of my comments you believe that all welfare is fraud.

          • AT least they  earned it.

        • Could not have said it better myself.  WHOWAH!!!!!!

        • Anonymous

          My GOP/Tea Party? Nope.

          TABOR is setup to put in place certain budgets that increase on an annual basis based on numerous metrics. It basically makes it so the state cannot dramatically increase spending in any particular area thus to avoid tax hikes. That is ALL TABOR is, I know that is not what the commercials say, but that is it. No starving of services, none of that.

          Enough with the ALEC/Heritage Foundation/Fox News garbage. My understanding of TABOR comes from actually reading about it. Much like my understanding of taxes, tax revenues, and tax burdens. I have obtained all of my information by examining information from both the IRS and the CBO. So stop, I don’t watch Fox News, I don’t have any ties to the Heritage Foundation and I don’t even know what ALEC is.

          You opinion is what my opinion and what a majority of the peoples opinion of TABOR was initially, and then I read about it, turns out it is actually not a bad idea. And everything that was said about it was a LIE.

          Also, I say this with the utmost respect, but your comments about wealth tell me that you have little to no understanding of what wealth is, how it is created or how it is obtained. You can’t really “steal” wealth. I am not going to explain wealth, but if you learn a lot about it you will find that the entire liberal argument regarding wealth is irrelevant. To find out about the “fixed wealth fallacy” you should read http://www.libertarian.co.uk/lapubs/econn/econn058.pdf

          Also, based on my own research, and confirmed by many outlets including the CBO, the tax burden in this country has shifted very dramatically since 1980 towards the wealthy to the point where they are paying nearly all of the taxes in this country. And our tax burden on the wealthy is more disproportionate than any other country in the world.  The data shows that increasing their rates does nothing for revenues, and shifts the burden to the middle class.

      • He is also trying to destroy unions, workers compensation laws, child labor laws, he is trying to lower wage’s   and work standards in maine and deregulate enviromental laws.

        This man is no friend to anyone but buisnesse’s bottom line.

        A reasonable person could conclude that he is a a sociopath!

        • Anonymous

          No.

        • Anonymous

          No, any reasonable person would be able to take the reality of the system and instead of becoming all emotional evaluate accordingly.

          He wants Maine to be a “right to work” state, what does that mean? It means that people are not REQUIRED to be a member of a union in a place that may have otherwise required so. So in other words, it is allowing people who do not wish to be part of a union and pay union dues to have a choice. That is called liberty. Not sure how that is trying to destroy unions, but ok.

          As far as child labor laws, lowering wages, etc. I just have no idea what you are talking about there. 

          Why can’t people look at Republicans actions and actually see things for what the really are. A Republican cuts taxes for everybody, he is coddling to the rich, a republican reduces welfare spending, he hates the poor and needy, a republican wants voters to have ID, he hates minorities. When the reality is that those things have absolutely no bearing on reality.

          You know, I don’t look at democrats and accuse them of hating the rich because they want to raise their taxes. Why can’t you do the same?

          I am not a Republican, I do not agree with them at all on many issues, however there is a lot of crazy and false accusations that are made that are totally off base, I am simply defending them.

  • Anonymous

    Maine doesn’t have any provisions for recall.  The petition with 10000 names was submitted by Cynthia Dill and tabled by the Repubs before it could go to the people.

    • Anonymous

      The petition wasn’t worth the paper it was printed on, it was a copy of an online petition that Dill did on her website. The only way you could ever have it be legal is go out and collect the 57,000+ legal signatures to put it on the ballot in 2013.  To have it take effect in 2014 but it will be an election year anyways.  Democrats are complaining instead of creating bills that moves Maine foward, that creates jobs, lowers taxes, spending and the amount of folks on Welfare.  So they can at least said they did something so they actually have an issue to run on.

      • Anonymous

         that may be the only way but it should still be done so we dont find ourselves in this boat again. Maine needs to have that recall provision ready for the next abortion of a governor even if it doesnt help with this one.

  • The line item veto is a good thing. It only takes a simple majority to over turn it. When I supported it  I imagined the congress would revote on each veto. This way, your congress person can appear to support something, knowing it will be vetoed and their party controls the revote. Not quit what I had in mind with the line item veto.

    • Anonymous

      Congress? We’re talking about the Legislature.

  • StillRelaxin

    Ironically thanks largely to my local Republican/Tea Party representatives the only thing they’ll be getting when they come knocking at my door will be me exerting my NRA rights shoved right in their keisters as they’re escorted from my property which I’m likely going to be paying double taxes on soon thanks to them and Mr. Paul Richard LePage (The guy that brags about having never paid property taxes in his life).

    • Your taxes will probably go down for a change.

      • Anonymous

        Our property taxes will not go down, they will increase to cover the shortfall of general assistance due to the cut of state funding. Local municipalities will be footing the bill on this assistance and it will come directly out of property owners taxes.

        • Anonymous

          Lets suppose that you have to contribute 100 dollars in State Income and Revenue Tax to fund GA on the State level and that 100 dollars is spread out among all Mainers. Lets then assume that Maine stops funding GA at the level they do and you will know have to contribute 50 dollars in State Revenue or Income tax and 50 dollars in increased property tax. You are still paying the 100 dollars. The only difference is that 50 dollars has the potential to be under local control that will go to the benefit of people in your very own community. The other 50 is still being spent on GA but has resulted in lower state income and revenue taxes and decreased state spending. In your opinion is that a bad thing?

          • Anonymous

             Yes in my opinion it is a bad thing. The thought that lowering the burden on state funding is going to lower state taxes is obsurd. There will be no lower of taxes to buffer the raising of property taxes to fund GA.

          • Anonymous

            Plus the fact that some parts of the state have a much higher income per capita and higher employment rate. This would mean that poor counties would have a lot less revenue to care for those who really need the help. That is unless they raise the taxes to the point that those who have what little money is available leave due to their inablility to pay.

          • Anonymous

            Im not talking about even funding GA on the country level but right at the town level. A small town like Harrington does have a smaller tax base then a town like Machias and yet there is a reason for that isnt there? The amount of people needing to be covered in Harrington should be lower than the amount of people needed to be covered in Machias do to population. Therefore the funding should be managable. People seem to forget this is how GA was operated before the State and Federal Government got involved in it.

          • pbmann

            In a place like Harrington with hard working but poor people who need assistance to get by are subsidized by the taxes the more affluent people in Southern Maine pay.  Take away the State money that subsidizes the poorer communities in Maine and those poorer communities will have to pay more then they were paying to just keep at the level they are now.

          •  And why is that, do you suppose it is the liberal mentality to spend every dime they can get a hold of? Do you not see that this is  the very  reason some of us are trying to change  the system? Force  the issues back on the local communities, take  away the  anonymity  that is inherent when bureaucrats from away are in charge. When  the guy  paying the taxes can  feeling  the pinch see’s where it is going, things will change . When the clerk  doing the paper work knows that every dollar they give out shows up on their tax bill,fraud and waste will diminish.
             We have cities in our state who farm out the G A request to private companies . That is  welfare for the folks handing out  welfare, how long can we keep that up?

          • Anonymous

            Its absurd only in the thought that no Governor has even spoke about lowering State taxes until Governor LePage came along and did it. What is also absurd is there are people who think lowering the state  tax burden is a horrible idea.

          • Anonymous

             Exactly what has this sorry excuse for a Governor done to “lower the state tax burden” — can you cite one concrete example?

          • A more apt question might be ,name an  instance  that  a proposed cut in Government size or spending has not been  railed against by liberals.

          • Anonymous

            The State Income Tax brackets were lowered across the board. It was reported right here in the BDN over a year ago.

          • fourCatssoon

             Only to affect the 1% people, facts correct please.

          • Anonymous

             Your numbers are questionable.  If this veto stands, your 100% won’t change by even 1% in reality.  However, if you live in a service center such as Bangor, Lewiston, Portland, et. al., your local taxes will go up by much more.  The burden will be shouldered by fewer, so the cost will be greater per person for those who live in service centers.  The local control will be cold comfort to those whose property taxes go up.

          • Anonymous

            It is not false that the Governor and the Legislature have shown a willingness to lower state taxes and have done so. Yes, large cities may have larger welfare roles but also have larger tax bases. The income revenue generated in a city of Bangor should be suffecient to fund GA programs in that city while the income revenues in a town like Trenton should be suffecient to fund GA programs in that town. If I have to contibute 100 dollars to GA in some manner I am fine doing that as long as concerns are being adressed. I believe those concerns could be addressed better on the local level than the state level. I dont have a problem contibuting to GA for people outside of the community I live in. I would prefer to see the majority of money I contribute remain in the community however rather than go to Augusta for redistribution.

            When it comes down to it, I would rather pay more money in property taxes and be able to go to town meeting and selectmans meetings were there is some accountability rather thans end another 10 cents to Augusta. I think many of us feel that way.

          • Anonymous

            Yes, it’s bad, because if I live in the city tht supplies the GA, then it’s my taxes you’re talking about.  You all can disagree, but WE ALL know that the communities surrounding Bangor send most of their recipients to find residence in Bangor so it becomes Bangor’s problem.  If you want to be fair, all surrounding communities need to start putting some money aside for the General Assistance program.  I want to see a certain percentage, no matter how low, that surround communities start to contribute since they are making Bangor help these people. 

          • Anonymous

            Yes, I want to be fair. What is being done to Bangor in the circumstances you mention is not right. That is why I support such things as mandatory minimum residency requirements and a lot of anti-abuse measures.

          • Anonymous

            Hmm, minumum residency requirements (ears perk) – I’m listening….

          • Anonymous

            Yes, thats right, residency requirements. If you show up at city hall in Ellsworth claiming to need welfare help then I think you should be prepared to prove that you are an American Citizen, a Resident of the State of Maine, and a resident of Ellsworth.

          • pbmann

            State Taxes are not going down so the extra $50 (more like $100-$150) will be higher taxes you pay.

        • Anonymous

          If you don’t want local control over public assistance; then perhaps you should consolidate services with neighboring towns….or is that unthinkable?

          Or better yet, take a hard look at the non-profit empire and their property tax exemptions. 

          If you want the money you have to go where the money is! ….and I believe it was Hebron Academy which was taxed by the town and went to court, and lost. 

      • Anonymous

        Not likely. The bunch in Washington are cutting spending but not mandates to states. The states are cutting spending but not mandates to counties and towns. How do towns raise funds? I’ll leave that for you to figure out.

        • Anonymous

          You provide a clear example of why it might be a better idea to get the State out of certain programs, reduce state taxes and let the towns fund the programs in their individual communities with property taxes and other forms of revenue. Those spending of that tax revenue could be accounted for so much better than it is currently in Augusta.

          • Anonymous

            It’s fine and dandy for the Fed, State, to cut their spending. The question is are they also eliminating mandates that have to be funded somewhere down the line. Your theory that all towns can afford GA equally is good if the employment opportunities in all these towns and counties are equal. Too bad they aren’t.

          • Anonymous

            And why is that? Its because we have people in Kittery able to vote on Casino projects in Calais. Its because we have people from all over the state saying that there can be no LNG plant in a town like Whiting. Those are some of the reasons. There are more of course, all the way from energy to business taxes and on to other things. Things are not equal. They never will be. Im not advocating a 100% funding of GA by towns. I am advocating that a certain percentage of it be returned to local control, that the amount towns collect from property tax to fund GA is eliminated from the State Budget and that as a result of a decreased need of funding the tax burden goes down on the State Level.

        • pbmann

          People like mAineAc have no clue as to how things are funded or that cutting spending in one area does not necessarily mean that the gap can be picked up at the local level for the same amount per taxpayer.

    • Anonymous

      LePage and his Tea Party crowd are TOAST at the voting booth come November.  People can not stand this delusional bunch, and come November they won’t be able to win an election for dog catcher.

      • Anonymous

        Lord knows Kevin Raye and his pals don’t want to give up a couple days of their one month vacation to address problems in Augusta we pay them to deal with. Darn pesky poor, sick, and mentaly ill people. We’ll just help them next time when it’s more convenient for us.

        • StillRelaxin

          The the four who voted “Yea” want to work for the people of Maine.  Those who voted “Nay” have shown that they don’t want to work for us and need to go away the next time they come up for re-election.

          Senate Majority Office Veto SessionSenators *
          Collins, Ronald F. Nay
          Courtney, Jonathan T.E. Nay
          Farnham, Nichi S. Yea
          Hastings III, David R. Unable to Reach
          Katz, Roger J. Yea
          Langley, Brian J. Nay
          Martin, Thomas H. Nay
          Mason, Garrett P. Nay
          McCormick, Earle L. Nay
          Plowman, Debra D. Nay
          Raye, Kevin L. Nay
          Rector, Christopher W. Nay
          Rosen, Richard W. Nay
          Saviello, Thomas B. Yea
          Sherman, Roger L. Nay
          Snowe Mello, Lois A. Nay
          Thibodeau, Michael D. Nay
          Thomas, Douglas A. Nay
          Whittemore, Rodney L. Nay
          Woodbury, Richard G. Yea*

          *Senator Richard G. Woodbury is not a Member of the Senate Majority Caucus. However, the Senate Majority did poll Senator Woodbury.

          • Anonymous

            I already called my representatives and thanked them for supporting our Governor.
            So nice to see the system work once and awhile.

          • StillRelaxin

            It must be comforting to them to know that they have at least your vote of confidence. Let’s see how that works out for them in November when “The System” will go to work for all Mainers to express their feelings on this subject.

          • Anonymous

            When I see you complaining about a Democrat Governor who vetoes social spending programs then I will start to think you have some credibility. When I see you complaining that Democrat Senators are choosing not to reconvene in order to take some silly vote that will result only in the vetoes being upheld then I will think you have some credibility. Until then continue on screaming about how unfair and unjust everything is.

          • fourCatssoon

             Oh Laurel you are just getting upset. take your meds and a nap and you will feel and see clearly better after rests – no more bad dreams Laurel:)

          • Anonymous

            I called my Nay saying R senator and told him to forget about my vote at which time I got a song and dance . …. I’ll be leading a band that he ” won’t be able dance to ” ( regrets to Dick Clark ) on 11 / 6 / 2012 .

          • Anonymous

             I hope they look you up  Nov 7, 2012 when they need some help moving out of Augusta

          • Anonymous

            Well, it figures. Flying or working on the ugliest plane on the planet will definitely mess up your wiring.

          • Anonymous

            Kevin Raye is my senator, and he’s working for me just fine.

          • Anonymous

            So nice to know that dishonesty and underhandedness are such laudable qualities.

        • Anonymous

          This will really help his hopeless campaign for Congress!

          • Anonymous

            And what about Angus King’s campaign…..after all, if it wasn’t for him, there would be no line item veto?

    • Anonymous

      Please reason how you can be so concerned about your property taxes doubling. Do you pay any State Income or other revenue taxes? If you pay any form of state tax you are contributing to the funding of these programs. If you are more than happy to pay them in the form of state taxes why is it so awful in your opinion to switch the funding for these programs from state tax collections you pay into funding them with property taxes? Do you think that keeping money collected in the form of property taxes in your specific town and then using some of it to contribute to the funding of general assistance for residents in your town is a bad thing? Do you think that the State can do this so much better than the town can on the local level?

      Or is it that you dont pay any State Income Tax and realize that if the State reduces funding for GA and makes towns pick up a larger share that you might have to open your pocket a bit more? If that is the case then it appears that you are guilty of exactly what you claim Republicans are, cheap, greedy, and uncaring of people in need.

      If the state created a program that would lower the tax burden on the state level by reducing funding for GA that would then be funded exclusively by property taxes collected in each town and spent on the residents of that town then I would be in support of that. Would you be?

      • Anonymous

        Your theory would be fine and dandy if all towns and counties were equally balanced in their ability to fund GA. They aren’t. Washington county doesn’t have near the funds available that York does. We might of if the rest of the state hadn’t shot us down on our attempts to have a casino. If the rest of the state has the ability to stifle opportunity for Washington County then the rest of the state should be willing to pay for the GA needed in Washington County.

        • Anonymous

          Im not saying that the funding has to go to 100% on the local level. I would support a program that would lower the States GA funding by 25%. Then the amount of tax needed to be collected for that 25% that is no longer funded could be eliminated in income and revenue tax deductions. Communities that had higher GA roles would then have to make decisions on having to fund GA and how and what limits would be in that community. The way I see it, GA is costing each of us a certain amount each year and the costs increase annually. We can either open our wallets and pay Augusta and then complain that there is little control over GA or we can open our wallets and pay the town we live in and then go to town meeting and other town forums to ensure that GA spending is appropriate, and going to the deserving. Do we really need Augusta to be doing what we are more than capable of doing for ourselves. We used to handle GA in the manner I am speaking of years ago, without a lot of state control.

          I agree with you comments about the Casino. I think state wide referendums on Casinos are unfair. If the town of Pembroke wants a Casino then let the town of Pembroke vote to approve it or not, I dont see how it is the business of someone in Fryeburg or Kittery.

        • I am still  very troubled about how  voting went down on the Casino for Washington Country, and think you have a point ,but  if we play that game we will never get anything fixed. It is the base of this whole issue, this budget was attempt to  walk away from the problem by  throwing  more money at it. I hate to  beat a dead horse with this, but we have cities that are paying  graft to companies  who handle  their GA  eligibility  questions.  Tax payers are paying a fee to companies to decided who gets and who does not  get GA assistance.  We are taking money from folks through taxes,  letting the state bureaucracy take it’s chunk out, then  handing it to the cities, who get a slice, then to these companies for their bit  of the pie so they can give to folks who don’t pay taxes. Can you guess what  happens to the dollar amounts spent  once these  companies take  over the process, I’ll give you a hint, it doesn’t go down. The other option might be for the Town to collect the monies, then  hand it out to it’s residence who  are in need. Eliminates a huge amount of waste and fraud.
           No one can honestly  say we don’t have huge problems in these areas and it needs to be fixed, it’s just a matter of if  we have the stomach to fix it, and are willing to   get off the dole to do it.

      • pbmann

        Poor communities, where more poor people may need assistance to survive, do not have the financial resources to help thier citizens like the richer communities, who don’t have as many people needing assistance. 

        The result will be that poorer communities will have to raise their property taxes to pay the increased local costs and the richer communities may be able to maintain their property tax rates at the current level.

        Having the State pay a large share of the costs of Public Assistance allows the richer communities in the state to help the poorer communities pay for the help their citizens need.

        • Anonymous

          In my mind you are describing income redistribution. The question then becomes what is making people stay in a low income, low employment area instead of going somewhere to earn higher amounts of money and gain a better standard of living. I had to leave my home town in order to make money after college, I am now back and happy to be so. Should I have somehow been provided with a subsidy to stay in an area that would require me to be depend on money from the State?

          • Anonymous

            one reason is they probebly can no longer get out, to move takes money, no jobs no money what is an average rent in the larger towns? Not to mention what will happen to their credit when they let their mortage go back, whitch would also stop them from getting a rent since many land lords require referances and credit checks.Also what happens to the banks when people let their homes go back nobody else is going to buy them.You can count on your taxes going up on food on property on everything,the country is now what 16 trillion in debt?How do you pay that when our manufacturing base has gone to china? you don’t, the government will keep spinning cause fact is we’re gonna go into hyper inflation you can only bleed the people so much when they no longer have anything then everything slowly crumble’s. So you may feel good by seeing smaller community’s die, but make no mistake it will come to your towns to, down the road.How about cutting pay and vacation’s and pension’s on our politician’s they all have been clearly failing the last 2 decades, could we keep our jobs and pay if we did our jobs so poorly I doubt it, we would be black balled from a job in that field everywere in the state.

          • Anonymous

            Five Trillion dollars of that debt belongs to Mr. Obama and was taken in on his watch.

          • pbmann

            25% of that debt is because of an unfunded war in two different countries started by Bush, 25% is because of the taxpayer giveaway that is Medicare Part D (The Federal Government CANNOT negotiate lower drugs prices with the drug companies BY LAW) signed into law by Bush, 25% is because of the continutation of the Bush Tax cuts which have not resulted in more jobs being created by the so-called Job Creators and the remaining 25% is spending to stimulate the economy, signed into law by Obama.

          • Anonymous

            by the way that’s a good name for a forum troll.

          • Anonymous

            BDN has the habit at times of removing comments that question the comments of others who the BDN wants to let stand. Also, some posters cant stand to read comments that disagree with them and so therefore ask the BDN to remove them, which they do from time to time. Hence my user name.

          • The BDN news department, which moderates these comments, has no position on any issues, and therefore we do not moderate comments with any ideology. We will delete comments or ban users that do not follow the comment guidelines, regardless of their politics. The quickest way to get banned is to make fun of other commenters.

            And while we’re on the topic, let me warn you right now that your comments directed at other commenters are dangerously close to the line.

            William P. Davis,
            Online Editor

          • pbmann

            Not everyone wants or can move to a different location to find work. If you do not have a decent education or your work history/training does not translate well to a different location then moving really is not an option. 

            For example Washington County has a lot of workers who make their living on the sea either fishing, clamming etc or in the woods.  Those work skills do not translate well to a location like Southern Maine. where there is job growth or other regions in the US.  They could move to Portland (if they have the financial means to move) and try to find a job there but it most likely would be a minimun wage entry level job and if they have a family would still need financial help, at least in the beginning.

    • Anonymous

      I have to laugh at the irony of a diehard liberal  proclaiming to use their “NRA” rights which the Republicans fight for and using it against them.  Once again, its only a problem when your taxes go up. What a hypocrite.

      • StillRelaxin

        I’m actually more concerned that people like Mr. LePage who’s bragged that he’s never paid a property tax in Maine in his life is now looking to make everyone in Maine who has/does pay more for such taxes. Don’t you think it’s a bit ironic that Mr. LePage would do something so blatantly hypocritical?  

        Lastly, why do so many conservatives come here apparently only to make nasty comments towards others who post here? Why not simply make a subject relevant comment and move on? It’s a curious way to present yourself to readers or young people considering which side of the political aisle they may want to align themselves with. Could be one of several reasons why the GOP/Tea Party has always had such a hard time attracting membership. 

        • Anonymous

          First of all, your post are always long rants and you are telling me to make a relevant comment and move on? The only nasty comments I see are from you and others with a sense of entitlement acting like spoiled children when they hear the word “NO”.  I don’t write my post to try to “sway” anyone, at least if that’s what you think you do.  

          • StillRelaxin

            Correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t you just call me a hypocrite in your previous comment? If you want to talk about the subject of the story and use such terms that’s fine but if you want to do so as a means of deflecting away from the story or the expressed opinions of others on the story then tossing out derogatory names at people is, in my opinion, not the best way to conduct yourself here. I’m not trying to as you say “Sway” anyone here, I’m just voicing an opinion on a story. Perhaps it would be best for all here if you or others who do the same as you have done here try doing likewise. It might make these boards a tad bit more civil. Or is that the point, scare people away the same way the GOP/Tea party wants to scare people away from voting booths?

          • Anonymous

            With all due respect… you ARE a hypocrite.

            Is that polite enough for ya’?

          • fourCatssoon

             With counter respect you are a very sick man that needs a lot of rest and medication to just rant while on a job working for the state and Lauren:)

          • Anonymous

            I can’t help it if you set yourself up for being called out as a hypocrite. Its just the way it is. I also have another name for someone who elevates their opinion very highly and then can lecture anyone on how to post but I’ll refrain from doing that. How civil are your post in regard to our elected governor? Perhaps you should practice what you preach.

          • StillRelaxin

            I’m not preaching anything…just paraphrasing the rules provided to us by the BDN relating to posting here that you clearly don’t believe apply to you. Sadly you’re not alone in that belief. Interesting that you believe that citizens should be required to be civil towards their elected officials. Kinda goes against everything that America and it’s constitution is based upon.  You are American, yes?  Let me make it simple for you.  You don’t have to be nice or all that civil to the “subjects” within a story but you really are expected to be on subject and civil to others who post here.  Like wtsawyer below, you’re failing to do both.  Congrats for successfully deflecting from the story though!

          • fourCatssoon

             Excellent response. I have never seen so many Green Shirt people out loose as today, don’t any of tdhen work or maybe – right they all work for Lauren:)

          • Anonymous

            This is their work. Controlling discussion and deflecting from it while belittling any who disagree.
            If they don’t have facts, simply make them up. Mission accomplished.
            I suspect that most people wouldn’t bother getting involved in these “discussions” because they might as well beat their heads against a stone wall by trying to reason with the ever increasing lineup of paid trolls.

          • HE the dishonerable paul lepage who ran to canada to avoid viet nam deserves all he gets and to be sure will destroy this state.

          • Anonymous

            Mike, thats an anti-Lepage talking point that has been proven false over and over. Paul Lepage could not have been drafted into military service in Vietnam under the system before 1969 until he was twenty years old. In 1968 he faced roughly three months or so when he could have been drafted, however there were priorities the Defense Department had in who was drafted first. In 1969, on the 1st of January, a new draft system using a lottery system and numbers was created. LePage received a number in the 320 to 340 range. LePage was never drafted, he had no deferrment. It was not illegal to travel, live or work in another country while registered for the Vietnam War Time Draft. My uncle was living in Germany in the 1960’s and 1970’s. His number was called and he returned to the US. LePage never had his number called.

          • fourCatssoon

             Question – what department at the State of Maine do you work?

            Also Lauren is my friend!

          • Anonymous

            I dont work for the State. If I did it is doubtful I would be such a LePage supporter. Your arguement??????? Fail!

          • Whoa dude. It’s plain to see you concervitive types are getting scared of whats gonna happen come november . We the people are gonna send a message you won’t like at the voteing booth. I have worked and paid my tax”s even while i have watched the rich try every angle to not pay thier fare share thats why we need a flat tax with no deductions.

          • Anonymous

            I agree with the flat tax. I think it is pretty easy to prove that millionaires and billionaires pay more taxes than you and I do. Perhaps we disagree on how much they should have to pay. I personally am not scared at all about what happens in November. We the people voted in 2010 and the message was pretty clear that people across the country were fed up with the way things have been done the last few years. Im not much of an expert on state politics outside of Maine but I do know that there are many people who support LePage and what he is trying to do. Of course there are those who do not. The great thing is that we can all vote from time to time to send a majority message in regards to how we feel about things in State Government and the job our elected leaders are doing.

          • Anonymous

            Consider the fact that the Dems don’t want a flat tax because it hits the poor hardest when other taxes become proportionally higher in relation their income. I would take a flat tax in a heartbeat but that  isn’t going to happen. You’re a conservatives best friend.

          • Nice, you will find no argument there, but good luck getting a Liberal/progressive to  pass a flat tax. good luck indeed.

        •  That is rich. Pot, kettle . Kettle, pot.
          Do you  think that folks  being dismissive and making  ,what is  felt to be ,clever anecdotes which  compare other posters  and their views to ,let’s say, Hitler and  cattle cars loaded with Jews to be civil discourse? Does the the level of elegance in the manner  that some could demean another  or their point of view   at some point make it ok to do so?
           Does posting  comments  to a board like this one via a phone,or similar device , on the go , with little time to check grammar or spelling discount  the thought or point being made, when that point  is understandable? Does  having the time  and the desire to haul out the red pen and  grade  the expression of thoughts and views  of others somehow elevate  your own thoughts and/or views?
          Countless times I have seen folks take an insult, make it all pretty and clever and throw it out there. Then  watched them  report someone for doing the same thing,albeit in a more base manor , and attempt to have them banned from  posting here .It must make them feel wonderful about themselves.  Have you seen this?
          As for the  GOP/Tea Party  having difficulty in recruitment,granted they don’t have the Media, NEA,the other Unions,welfare dependents  and   wealthy  and vocal Celebrities in their pockets, but up against all of that they seem to be doing ok,overall.

          • Anonymous

            Yes, he has seen it? He does it.

      • Anonymous

        I read that too and had to laugh…It is almost as funny as the Onama camp talking about  Mitt Romney having his dog on top of his car in a crate.. And then reading Obamas book where he ate DOG..

        • Anonymous

          “he ate a dog”……when he was 9 yrs old….while living in Indonesia….where it’s customary to eat dogs…..
          compared to Mit Romney, a grown man, who consciousably made the decision to strap a dog to the roof of his minivan and drive 65 mph down the highway.

          A very false equivalence if you ask me, Mr Birther.

          • Speaking of Birther, I think we will here more on that subject out of a New Jersey court soon. Just a guess.

        • pbmann

          A large percentage of the world use dogs as a food source, it is a cultural thing.  In America we consider dogs to be pets and therefore we treat them accordingly.  If you think putting strapping a dog kennel on the top of your car and then driving on the highway, at highway speeds, is OK you are an evil person according to our cultural standards. 

          That dog was terrified the entire trip which shows the compassion, or lack there of, of the person who would do such a thing.  And it is even worse when someone with Mitt Romney’s resources and supposed good upbringing that he thought that strapping a dog on top of a moving car is not only a good thing but one to be proud of shows a lot for the qualities, or lack there of, of him.

      •  It’s even funnier when they cry about high taxes, sometimes  shaking your head and laughing is all you can do.

  • Anonymous

    Have constitutional amendments ever been specific enough? You would think they would learn to maybe not be so vague and generic.

  • Anonymous

    I like how the GOP considers doing nothing as ” action”.

  • Anonymous

    Is it possible for anyone to make cuts to any sort of welfare programs without them being accused of “going after the less fortunate?” Maine has a very serious problem with welfare and something has to be done.

    • Anonymous

       They could cut corporate welfare (which is a far bigger portion of the budget than services for the poor).

      • RockyGMarshall

         Really? You Want to  supply some numbers on this? I think you will be  surprised at what you find.

        • Anonymous

          Here’s an interesting article,
          “Study: Tax breaks exceed state spending”

          http://bangordailynews.com/2010/11/15/politics/study-tax-expenditures-exceed-state-spending/

          • RockyGMarshall

            What a sad sad day it is when  money not taken  through taxation is called an “expenditure”,that somehow  all money earned by individuals  is first the States property,which it can then allow  to be redistributed  back to the wage earner.

          • pbmann

            A company like GE can go 5 years without paying any Federal Taxes while making billions in profits or ExxonMobil pays Federal Taxes at a rate lower than the lowest income tax bracket and conservatives attack the little amount of money poor people receive in this country

    • Guest

      That’s what welfare is…. help for those who are less fortunale. Compared to Sire LePage, that is a LOT of Mainers.

    • It seems that every time we trust a slippery republican to run anything out comes the knife to cut taxs for the wealthy and screw the poor or less fortunate.I have never understood how working people could vote for the republican party. They only represent the rich!!!! I have watched this crap for almost sixty years it never changes.

      • obviously you haven’t been watching in Maine, since it has been controlled by the dems for over forty years…so if you don’t like the position your in take a close hard look at who put you there.  

        • pbmann

          He was talking about all Republican’s not just the ones who are in charge in Maine for now.

      • Anonymous

        I have watched the idea of the Great Society try to come true in this country for quite a few years and have yet to see that dream come true. Why do we punish and decry success? Why is it a good idea to try to lower everyone to a lower level of economic status. We are only able to discuss lowering some people as a means to increase the economic status of others. I think there is a problem with that type of conversation.

        • Guest

          Success is fine. Cutting vital programs to aid the needy isn’t. Trying to cut the budget at the expense and well being of the poor is downright wrong.

          • Anonymous

            The difference is that the welfare budget is unnecessarily high due to the corruption and abuse. More than just cuts have been made to the various welfare programs in this state, a lot of “reform” has been done as well. And that is the whole point, reduce or eliminate the fraud and abuse so that people who actually need welfare can embrace its benefits and as a result of all of this the welfare expenses will go down, hence the cuts.

            But of course to many people see “cuts to welfare” and get all emotional, ignore these facts that I have just presented and simply state that Republicans hate poor people….it is just not true…..

    • gaily

      I agree!  Very serious!  I can’t believe all these people on here don’t see the waste and abuse of the Welfare Programs.  Mostly ABUSE!  Why should the hard working people in this State be obligated to pay for someone else’s FUN, TOBACCO, ALCAHOL, ETC, ETC!!!  And that is happening every day.  It’s time to put a stop to this somehow!!!

      • Anonymous

        Why should the hard working people of the lower income brackets supply 99% of the manpower to our military to protect the interests of the 1%?

        • Anonymous

          What are you talking about?

      • Guest

        And you observe all these instances and don’t report it?

    • Anonymous

      Yes, I saw Bill Clinton do it. He was given quite a bit of credit for it too. Im not sure how it was allright for him to do it.

  • Anonymous

    “LePage has said that if his line-item vetoes were overturned, he would veto the entire budget.”

    Why does this sound like blackmail to me???

    • Tyke

      Because it is.

      He will also take his bat and ball and go home. Hopefully to the only home he owns … in Florida.

    • Anonymous

       because it is blackmail, as harmless as it is since even if he does veto it, after 10 days it will still become law.

  • Anonymous

    The most comical part of this is the fact that if it was a democrat governor all the roles would be reversed and the R’s would be up in arms…..Damn I’m tired of all this stupidity.  Perhaps someday people will be elected who actually want to do what’s best rather than do what’s best for the party.

    • Anonymous

      Not coming back is the right thing to do. The issue will be addressed further in the next few weeks. Chill.

      • Anonymous

         Not coming back is the wrong thing to do because it will set a precident for future occasions. The law says they ‘Shall act’, it doesnt say the majority party ‘shall decide whether or not they shall act’.

      • Anonymous

        Not coming back is illegal. The legislature is required to act within five days, and they cannot act on anything if they are not in session.

    • Guest

      Too bad we have to have political parties. I think they are far worse than unions.

  • Anonymous

    Time out folks — time for all of us to go read the state statues on general assistance and the amendment for line item veto

    General assistance — all communities must give general assistance — there is no income qualification — if you make a million dollars a year and are unable to meet the basic needs — housing, food , heat and medical needs you qualify — state statue– the state makes up a percentage of assistance provided

    Line item veto — the governor has the right of line item veto and he can insert his own values for the items vetoed and unless the legislature overrides the veto his values become law

    So the big question is — what has Mr LePage submitted

    For those who think the local community can run and hide here — think again — the way this is headed your local property taxes go up — you have no choice — the local community becomes the holder of the bag passed on by Mr LePage

    I retract my earlier comments on the legislature reconvening — they need to go back and man up — let the votes fall where they may and the voters keep count — no wonder certain republicans are afraid to come back — they are afraid to show the truth

    Why is Mr Nutting hiding the vote count of his party — is the truth more than he can stand ??

    Time to stand up and be counted folks

    • kcjonez

      Great Post.  I concur wholeheartedly.  

      Mr. Nutting–At the very least it is imperative that we the voters of the state of Maine see exactly who in your party is voting to allow this complete realignment of the balance of powers in Maine government!  

    • Anonymous

      That is exactly correct. The legislature cannot act on anything if it is not in session. Raye has never shown any respect for the law or for honesty and decency, and so this course of action is perfectly in character for him.

      • Anonymous

        Please… such posts are becoming absurd.

        Take a page out of CountyBorn and at least make some attempt to move the ball forward.

        Thanks.

    • Anonymous

      Or vote “Present”…

  • Anonymous

    confusion, disagreement and political calculations……
    Ground control to Major Tom…your circuit’s dead is something wrong….can you hear me Major Tom? Can you hear me Major Tom?

  • RockyGMarshall

    This is great to watch, the lib’s all wound up. You would think that LePage ate a dog or something.

    • Anonymous

      The Republicans are violating the Constitution. That is something worth getting wound up. Refusing to take action is not “acting.”

      • RockyGMarshall

        Wow, that’s a stretch. The legislators are specifically directed to poll it’s members to  determine if they will reconvene,this step is specific. They did, and  said no. End of story. 

        • Anonymous

          “Shall act.” That means the Legislature has to reconvene in this instance, as the Legislature has five days to reconsider the governor’s line item veto.

          An informal poll of whether to reconvene is not action. What’s a stretch is saying that doing nothing is “acting.”

          • RockyGMarshall

             you mean like  commerce and Obama care?

          • Anonymous

            No he means the DO-NOTHING Congress led by Republicans.

        • Anonymous

          Wrong. The law says the legislature must act on the veto items within five days. The legislature cannot act on anything if it is not in session. To refuse to reconvene is a violation of their legal obligations. 

          • RockyGMarshall

             They are in session, just  on recess , that is the part you are  misunderstanding,the part that makes all the difference.

          • Anonymous

            If the legislature is in session, and voting on something, members not present cannot vote. They are considered absent. If the entire legislature is absent, they cannot vote.

        • Anonymous

          Um, the law says “shall act”, not “shall poll its members”.  But I understand that you’re just  trying to read the laws to justify your positions rather than uphold their intent.

  • Anonymous

    Process seems simple, Republicans either don’t want to do the work they were elected to do, or those who don’t want to return are voting to go with the majority of those who do return.

    “The supplemental budget passed unanimously through the Appropriations Committee” then had a solid majority supporting it.  It would be forth terminating the legislators, and baring them from ever engaging in Maine politics again, if they cannot produce a simple majority for an override.  It would also be clear that if the override fails because of a Republican  unwillingness to obey the constitution and fulfill their legal obligation, that each of those legislators should be recalled and forever forbidden from engaging in Maine politics — which means anyone in their party that they back gets voted against whenever they run.

    • RockyGMarshall

      Just shaking my head in disbelief.

    • Anonymous

      You are absolutely correct. This is the worst thing I have seen Raye do yet, and that’s saying something.

  • Anonymous

    So, the D’s are stomping their feet, because they did not get their way this time–boo-hoo-hoo!  They cry unfair  now, but when they were in control there was no “bipartisanship” to be had in their minds and actions.

    • Anonymous

      Look at the way the vote on the budget went. Practically every republican voted for it, including the items that Paulie doesn’t like. Now Raye openly flouts the law (yet again) to stuff Paulie’s garbage down everyone’s throat. This is not how our government is supposed to work, mister freedom-loving guy. The LAW says the legislature has to ACT on this, not ignore it and let it slide by. If they want to vote that way, then let them do it the way the LAW says they have to. The legislature cannot act on anything from their scattered living rooms around the state. This is completely disgraceful, and you should be ashamed for supporting it.

  • Lord Whiteman

     Cheating on taxes,fake woodlot plans, nepotism, selling state owned land to insiders, giving 17 million to Canadian companies and now ignoring their legal obligation to act on a Governor’s line item veto.  
     Once again the Republicans remind us that the laws are only for the little people to obey. 

    • Anonymous

      You forgot to mention that the republicans and the governor are giving away our precious public lands to private organizations.

  • I told everyone earlier that,

     once a halloween candy bully,

     always a halloween candy bully!

    • Anonymous

      Halloween Candy Bully? Do you mean someone who steals candy that doenst belong to him? What exactly is LePage stealing from you or anyone else here? Is it his idea to cut state spending, lower state income tax and then put more local control of GA on the local level somehow stealing something from you or me?

    • Anonymous

      The irony of your statements is amusing.

  • Anonymous

    Maine Line-Item Veto Amendment, Question 7 (1995) (Redirected from Maine Line-Item Veto Amendment (1995))  The Maine Line-Item Veto Amendment was on the November 7, 1995 ballot in Maine, as Question 7. It was approved. It was proposed as a constitutional amendment to the Maine Constitution by the Maine legislature. The amendment gives theGovernor of Maine a line-item veto over any expenditures of state funds.Election resultsMaine Question 7 Result Votes Percentage a Yes 286,929 = 71.3% No 115,216 = 28.7% The ballot language said:”Do you favor amending the Constitution of Maine to give the Governor a line-item veto over expenditures of state funds, providing that vetoed items may be passed over the Governor’s veto by a majority of all of the elected members of the Senate and the House of Representatives?” Becoming Art. IV, Pt. 3 § 2-A

    BTW: Section 9. Power of taxation. The Legislature shall never, in any manner, suspend or surrender the power of taxation.

    • Guest

      Thank you for supplying pertinent information.

  • Anonymous

    I look at all the photos of “the LePage” in the newspaper and his expressions are captured, they are most interesting.

    There is a show called “Lie to Me” listed on netflix.  The show talks about facial expressions as a language, the face shows the truth.  What do you think his face is saying?

  • “… mister we could use a man like Herbert Hoover again, didn’t need no welfare
    state everybody pulled his weight, gee our old Lasalle ran great, those were
    the days!”

    It finally dawned on me.  We put Archie Bunker in the Blaine House.

    • Anonymous

      Kin folks said Paul move away from there
      Florid ah is the place you awwtah be
      So he loaded up the labor mural
      And he moved to Orlando
      Florida that is
      Disney World, make-believe.

  • Anonymous

    The republicans are telling us that “not going to work” is the same as “going to work” when they tell us that “choosing not to act” is the same as “acting.” And they actually accept a paycheck for their “not going to work.” Why isn’t Paulie up in arms about that? Oops, I forgot: that only applies to those who disagree with the immense one in the Blaine House.

    • Guest

      I wonder which they think is worse: Being unemployed; or having a job and not going to work to do it. They could give the voters the respect of upholding the veto and telling us that that’s the way it is. They vote now- I vote in November.

    • Anonymous

      The Rs have taken lessons from George Orwell’s “doublespeak”.

  • Anonymous

    If not re-convening to act constitutes a legislative action as Repub leaders insist, then why bother to convene in the first place? Think  of the money and time we’d all save! Good grief!

  • The Republicans are practicing zen.  When I don’t do something, I am really doing something.  Inaction becomes action, yin and yang.  I thought about taking the garbage to the dump, but I didn’t do it.  So my inaction is in actuality action.  I’m really saving my garbage.  I like this way of working.  Think I’ll pour myself another cup of coffee.  I’ve accomplished so much already today!

  • Anonymous

    I agree with the D’s on this one.  The R’s should have come back to Disgusta and put their vote to not override the Gov. on the official record.   You know, just like all but one of the last 17 or so vetoes from the Gov.

    • Anonymous

      The Governor is on record by his line item veto. He did it. Just like Clinton.

  • Anonymous

    Where are the checks and balances, a basic principle of our democracy? Let’s not play the “What if?” game. Legislators must act on (vote) due process to ensure the checks and balances built into the system. By not convening to vote on the line items, the legislature is abdicating its responsibility to represent the people of Maine. 

  • Anonymous

    I’m pulling weeds from the grass court this week and would make time to vote on this.  Loss of public assistance is a big deal to poor people who need it. I am not a public servant.  I wonder  who is.

  • Guest

    Is this what they had in mind all along? To duck out and avoid further conflict with their glorious leader.

    Inaction is not an action, this is avoidance. 

  • He apparently sees something we’re not going to like in the future.  Line item veto will shift blame to the legislators.  

  • Anonymous

    Inaction constitutes action?

  • Anonymous

    Big News!
    “Democrats still whining”!
    Whoever thunk it?

    • Anonymous

      I work with 2 former prowler Marines……..

  • Anonymous

     Keep up the good work Governor.

     Use this time until mat 15th to get your minions in line, and then we can do some real work to right this ship of fools.

  • Anonymous

    “This is a breach of trust and an insult to the bipartisan work of the Appropriations Committee,” said Rep. Peggy Rotundo, D-Lewiston, the lead House Democrat on the committee. “What incentive do we have to work together …”

    I served with Peggy in the Maine Senate, and find it incredulously ironic she would choose these words when King John Martin ran the Majority Democrats!

    Such hypocracy is beyond belief.

  • Anonymous

    LePage wants to strip funding to psychiatric facilities, yet he claims to be against domestic violence.  Anyone with common sense should know that one sure way to increase domestic violence would be to cut funding at psychiatric facilities.  Cause and effect.

  • Guest

    BDN – please supply the State Statute reference in articles. http://www.maine.gov/legis/const/Constitution2005-06.htm

    Of COURSE, people must “imagine” that laws and procedures will be used; otherwise there is no need for them to be in place. It is grossly naive to suggest otherwise, yet I see that 128 people, at this count, think that the problem rests with a person, not with allowing bad, ill-defined laws to exist. What good is it to attack the person who uses a law.

    Whether on the state, county, or local level, there are laws on the books, constitutional laws, charters, etc., such as the line item veto, that do not define the procedure to be followed.  They must be reviewed and offer more than vapid directives.  It would be in the interest of the greater good if citizens took a look at them, a bit at a time, to see if they made sense, and then move to see that procedures are clear.

    Then again, there aren’t standardized, national voting procedures, and if the problems with that system have not been addressed, given so much bad publicity…?

  • Anonymous

    Perhaps the BDN is pimping for ANGUS KING by omitting him in this discussion, even though he championed the LINE ITEM VETO in 1995.

    I’d even bet Peggy Rotundo voted for it…misgivings or just partisan politics at work again? 

  • Anonymous

    This is a terrible breach of trust. The Republicans are allowing a bull headed governor to ride rough shod over them, and even worse, to ride rough shod over the weakest, sickest and poorest people in Maine. We need to know how individual Republican law makers voted in deciding whether or not to reconvene. I bet those voting results, in the hands of Nutting, will be as hidden as the murals are today. What ostriches the Republicans are. They actually believe “out of sight” means “out of mind.” I hope they will be forced to pull their heads out of the sand come election day.

  • Anonymous

    Democrats are hypocrits. Dems excluded the Republicans for decades and passed budgets with little imput from the Reps. They think they are still in charge.
    Just another daily attack on our Governor.

    • Anonymous

      Oolong or Darjeeling?

  • Anonymous

    Just a short time ago, Paulie mentioned something about needing some “Profiles in Courage” in Augusta. Why isn’t he getting on the case of these republican lawmakers who don’t have the courage to stand behind their votes? It must be that he only considers it “courage” if you tacitly do his bidding. What a bunch of horse manure!! Go to work or resign or get fired. That’s the way it is in the private sector. If these legislators don’t do one of the first two options, the voters will exercise the third option in November.

  • Anonymous

    Looks over to me.

  • Anonymous

    Tough issue.  Maine is in a revenue/spending crisis and has been for many years.   Why did it take so long for a Governor to exercise teh line item veto?  Why didn’t King or Baldacci strike away a spending matter that did not make sense -there had to be a few, based on the mess we are in?

  • Anonymous

    I realize that vacation time is very important to everyone but the time has come when the welfare of the people of maine should come first.The elections in november should be no surprise to these lawmakers running for office.If they need a break that bad then give them one in november 

  • gaily

    Everyone peoson on assistance, that are able, should have a job to do in the town they reside in.  Pitch in and help and help pay for the money you are getting.  It’s NOT your money, it comes from the people that work every day.  Work before play never hurt anybody!!!!!

  • Anonymous

    Maybe local taxes won’t go up.  Maybe the Towns will stop handing out the GA money like it belongs to  someone else!    

    If I pay much more in taxes to support welfare, and the teenage baby factories, I may qualify for a hand-out myself!

    I can’t tell you how much I enjoy the silly grin and friendly wave of my deadbeat neighbors, as I go off to work each day, to pay for their 3rd generation way of life.    Maybe their way of life is in jeopardy, maybe they will start looking for work, I doubt it, but I can always hope . 

     Keep cutting Governor, maybe the Towns will take the hint and start cutting as well.

  • Anonymous

    There he goes again doing things behind peoples back.  He had to wait till our representatives were gone home to do his backstabbing work.  The republicans don’t want to return to state house to fix this problem.  What do they think they were elected for?  Are they just there  to kiss Lapage butt or do the job they were elected for  that is work for the people of the state.

  • I think it is time for the People of Maine to take back their State. He Lepage got voted in but can also get Impeached out. All he has done is go after the less unfortunate people and Elderly. He has not done anything for Maine but hurt it. He Should Give back the Money he thinks he has earned by trying to play Governor of the State. He should use that Veto pen and veto himself out of the Office of Governor. He is suppose to work for the People of Maine not them working for him this is not Mardens he is running.

  • Wow, is this laziness, general aloofness or both?  No matter which way it is, it is wrong.  You were elected to do a job.  Get yourselves back in there and do it.  If you were really in agreement on this budget and thought it was in everyone’s best interest, then why are you willing to just let it slip out of your hands and be changed willy-nilly?  Announcing that you plan not to reconvene is not and should not, be considered “taking action.”  Maybe I can start announcing in the mornings whether or not I plan to or plan not to come to work and that will be close enough to doing my job (whether I show up or not) so I can still be paid regardless.  If only it worked that way for the rest of us.  I can only hope that all of you lazy, indifferent politicians are not elected back.  Ever.

  • Anonymous

    This is theater of the politically absurd, and I’m appalled that it’s occurring in Maine. 

    It’s clear that Raye and Nutting are scared, both of LePage and the voters. LePage put himself in a corner (again), by threatening to veto the entire budget if his two line item vetoes are overturned.  That would be a disaster for him because the legislature would have no choice but to override that veto, especially after the supermajorities that passed the budget in the first place.  Raye and Nutting, dishonorable cowards that they are, are trying to protect LePage under the table through this corrupt maneuver, and hoping to sneak it past the voters.  This is politics before people, and is disgusting in its rottenness.  Well, the stink is out in the open and everyone knows what they’re trying to do.  This administration and legislature are without doubt among the most unethical and corrupt in Maine’s history, and I can only hope that the voters will remember that in November.  Though I have always supported the person rather than the party, this year I do whatever I can to disempower the Republican party, which is so blatantly betraying our trust and respect.  

  • Anonymous

    The Republican’s “Don’t want to come back” sounds remarkably like the Wisconsin Democrats who went missing a year or so ago.  As I recall Republicans as a group were quite vocal in their condemnation of the Democrats. 

    And I agree, a telephone poll doesn’t cut it as a duly convened session and they need to come back, whether they “want to” or not.  I don’t particularly want the expense but then I don’t like it during a regular session either.  To quote the governor, stop acting like babies,  go back to Augusta and do your job.

  • Malory Shaughnessy

    Shame on the Republican leadership. This first ever line item veto should have been addressed by the Legislature on the record. They have abdicated their responsibility  to the voters of this state.

  • Anonymous

    The refusal of the Republican leadearship in the legislature to reconvene to vote on the governopr’s veto of two budget items is one more example of the GOP’s lack of accountability to the citizens. To say that taking no action is a kind of “action” is a specious position. It reminds me of Bill Clinton’s remark :”Ït all depends on what your definition of  ‘is’ is!” DISGRACEFUL.

  • Mutt Glidden Cornersfield, ME

    Thank you Governor LePage for making the hard choices. Thank you for for trying to lower my taxes, I work very hard for my wages. Thank you for listening to all of us who have told you about the number of people stealing from the real needy people. 

    Thank you for for looking out for real needy people of this state. 

    Not the ones that move here from North Carolina looking to get a $30,000 Cochlear Implant  from Maine Care. Oh ya folks, this happens, I see it, I here it. 

    These transplants from the south are not on stealing my money, there stupid enough to tell you why they moved here. 

    You see, in health care you see it all, the real sick, the real dying, the real needy, & the real fakers.

    So once again, Thank you for looking out for the working people of this state. 

    You have my vote, and so does Mitt. 

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