December 15, 2019
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Comments for: LePage signs east-west highway bill

  • Anonymous

    Now in my book, that is one he got right.  Lets make Maine be connected east and west.

    • David

      You want to pay for it. 

    • Anonymous

      How about connecting North to South highway ( I95) which was suppose to happen 25 to 30 years ago stand in line and wait your turn.

      • Superuser23

        This idea better focuses on Canada so therefore that North to South Highway, waits another 30 years. We need to focus on connecting Canada first from end to end.

    • Anonymous

      I agree this road has been needed for years and has been studied to death lets hope they put the shovels in as soon as possible.  It is time to get jobs going here in the rest of Maine.

    • Anonymous

      Let make it west to New Hampshire, not Canada

      • Harry H Snyder III

         We have a road west to New Hampshire.  It’s called I-95>

  • when you turn the elderly away from health benefits, $300,000.00 SHOULD NOT BE SPENT ON PRIVATE ENTERPRISES

    • Anonymous

       yeah, bc transportation infrastructure facilitating economic growth and wealth creation is not crucial to providing the funds needed to sustain social safety nets.

      • Anonymous

        Wealth creation for Canadian Trucking Fleets. Irving one of the big owners of those fleet of trucks. New attack coming from the yellow killer bees out of Canada.

        • Anonymous

          i don’t mind if our canadian neighbors benefit economically. in fact i want economically depressed peoples throughout our region to have safer and faster transportation to move goods and services.

          only a committed bigot would dislike canadians so much that they would be willing to halt economic progress for mainers in order to ensure that someone born on the other side of the border didn’t see their own fortunes improve.

          i wish the canadian truckers safe travels and i hope their employers make enough money to keep those guys working.

          • Anonymous

            I’m a MAINE truckdriver, and really look forward to this project. Will gladly pay the tolls! And if the NAY-sayers didn’t have something to say “NAY” about, their black, shrivelled hearts would crumble into (contaminated) dust!!!

          • If you are a MAINE truckdriver dont you think that your TOLL ‘s should go to the State of Maine and not to Private Companies?

             Land will have to be Taken by eminent domain. Do you think Private Investors should profit from Public Money that is paid for this land?

            This is Just Fundementaly Wrong.

      • Anonymous

        Corporation talking about using private money to finance a $2 bil project starting out by asking the State to fund the feasibility study smells worse than lobster bait in August. 

        Here, pay it to me; 

        Just how feasible do you really think the private financing of a $2 billion highway project is if the private investors are afraid of investing the first $300,ooo ?  

        Any other questions ?

        • Like the old math. Reduce the equation to it’s simplest fraction’s and see it for what it is. Now, how hard is that. You got it right on !

      • Anonymous

         Has anybody ever said what for growth would be attained? Building the highway itself is temporary welfare for construction companies unless there is a need. Is there so much growth potential Downeast that it warrants billions of dollars of road? Or will the wealth be coming from the west end? I am missing something, because although i drive the roads of The County and Wash/Hancock counties all the time, most of the time I have empty roads around me. There is fishing, lumber and blueberries. High tech industry ain’t moving there because there are not enough people to work.

        Could somebody explain exactly what will fill the coffers of the state and pay for that road? To say it will spur economic growth is not an answer. To imagine that industry will flock to an region empty of people is wishful thinking, nothing else. I too wish there  was something more than potatoes and blueberries north and east of Bangor. Irving owns the woods, and all that company has done is strip, strip, strip and hire as many Canadians as they can. If anybody is imagining that Irving Corporation will do anything else than what they have already done in the north, where is the nugget of hope that it will be different?

        • The road is nothing more than a shortcut for the Trans Canadian Highway.

          It brings nothing to Maine but Canadian Traffic.

    • Anonymous

      I agree, all money that we all earn should go to social programs, and NONE should go toward jobs and development of infrastructure.

      that said, Ido think that the private entity that will benefit from the tolls might have been a better choice to front the money.

      • Anonymous

        Unfortunately this doesn’t do freaking squat for Maine’s citizens.  All it does is save Canadian shipping companies some money in fuel.  No wonder the premier’s of New Brunswick and Quebec are excited!  Meanwhile this will end up costing Maine tax payers, regardless of what LePige says.  Land ownership will be forfeited through eminent domain, pristine wilderness will be destroyed, and no money will come into Maine coffers.  I wouldn’t mind paying these cost’s if we actually got something out of it besides some temporary jobs for a couple of summers.

        • Justin

          Trucks need diesel. That means gas stations. That means employees. That means tax revenue for the state – money that’d be going straight to Canada without a highway.

          Unless they closed the road off to vehicles other than trucks (and why would they do that?), I bet the Route 2 corridor and points Down East would love to have a Tourist Expressway. That means more people – and more money – to create jobs and rejuvenate small towns.

          Sounds silly to those of us who live here, but shaving off a half an hour or an hour of travel time could mean the difference between a family visiting Maine or heading somewhere else.

          Is it a slam dunk? No, but it’s not fair to say that Maine citizens wouldn’t benefit at all from this.

          • Justin, not to rain on your parade but who do thnk is gonna be the fuel station operator at either end ? Begins with ‘I’ and is a Canadian firm, not American.

          • Justin

            That’s a very good point, but it doesn’t change the fact that even Canadian companies that do business in Maine put Maine people to work and pay taxes in Maine. We may not end up seeing the corporate profits, but it does benefit Maine to a degree.

          • Harry H Snyder III

             They are not going to do business here… they are just passing through!

          • Anonymous

            “Trucks need diesel. That means gas stations. That means employees. That means tax revenue for the state – money that’d be going straight to Canada without a highway.” 
            Bull. 
            It is only 220 miles long. 
            Do truckers driving from Presque Isle to Augusta ever stop in Medway for fuel ? 
            They will not stop anywhere but at the Irving Station on the Canadian side of the bottle necks at both borders. 
            Thinking otherwise means you are a corporate 1%’s dupes, who must think you can both cut taxes and balance the budget, too. 

          • hey-I’m-your-man

            I think you need to take a trip and see hwere the Gas stations are located in Canada.

          • Anonymous

            Just for the record,any truck drivin though Maine has to report and pay into the state for fuel taxes while drivin on our roads..just like the ones do that drive though,say NJ and don’t ever stop and buy fuel

          • Anonymous

            On a private road ? 

          • Anonymous

            They have to report the taxes anywhere they buy fuel in Maine it’s the law.  Maine will make even more money just on fuel and meal taxes alone.  Because their will be alot of fueling stations and fast food joints at the rest areas.  This will be like the Maine Turnpike is now with rest areas.  
            It may be built differently than I-95 or the Maine Turnpike is but will be basically the same thing.  You find alot of the misinformation being spread by Environmentalists, Maine Democrats in Augusta, their supporters is incorrect.  Misinformation on no exits,  no fuel stations, rest areas etc..  It’s because they want to try to finish off what is left in those areas of Maine so the population leaves so it will be easier to get their park.  But the park is dead its done over with for a long time at least because everyone knows its a financial loser.

          • Harry H Snyder III

             Which is EXACTLY why they will buy their fuel BEFORE leaving Canada.

          • Justin

            Sit outside Dysart’s for a while and let me know what you see. I think you may be surprised.

          • Anonymous

            What people aren’t taking into consideration is that Irving does stand to benefit, if there is any benefit at all. They already own the east-west RR through ME and get a subsidy from NB to operate that. CN gave up the rail line that runs from Vanceboro west years ago because it was loosing so much. Why do we think a road running the same route will be so profitable?

          • Anonymous

            Do you even read what you spew or is it all written by a girl in Orono and emailed daily. D o trucks stop for fuel in Maine. Have you ever stopped to eat in the little diner in medway.When i was on the road it was full almost allways.

          • Anonymous

            Did you really read what I say or do you just make up insults that represent what only you think all liberals must think ? 

            What do you believe, based on your conservative faith based reality, would  make a trucker stop ?   

            Delay at one border, so then 220 miles of driving , about three hours at 70 but what will a private company, not under the evil state government’s thumb ,  make the speed limit, 85 ? 

            Then more hassle, at the other border, and may-be a Tim Horton’s, when back in o’Canada.

            Any truck going though Maine will be stopped first and last on the Canadian side of the border, period. It is the reality of it.   
            That will be twice in how many hours ?

          • Anonymous

            Common sense tells you this road will have exits, interchanges , fuel stations,   have rest areas , bathrooms .  Do you honestly think they are going to let folks run out of fuel , not have rest areas & bathrooms.  The politicians in Augusta wouldn’t hear the end of it.  All of you Liberals need to get with reality this road will likely be a better road than I-95 and Maine Turnpike costs less and take less time to build it .  Because of not have Maine DOT dragging feet building it.  I think you will all find once this road is built the condition it is built in more of you anti-folks will want Augusta turning over more control to the private sector building roads and bridges.   If I had any issues with this road.  I would like to see the Middle and Western Portions of the road move a little further south.  Have it head into near  more populated areas like Skowhegan/Madison areas,  Farmington area,  Rumford/Mexico areas which would benefit greatly from this road.  But other than that it needs to be built much sooner than later.

          • The money coming in will be negated by the Money going out to pay for the land taken by eminent domain and the states portion of the building costs.

            If you think that this is a Purely Privately Funded —Think Again!

        • Anonymous

          Could you be any more closed minded? Take a look at the little strip of 95 that runs through New Hampshire that they hit everyone in tolls for. You don’t think Maine would get a cut of the action and the investors would not have to pay Maine somehow for access?

          • Anonymous

            ” the investors” ? 

            So why is first $300, 000 State funds, then, Mr. Madoff ? 

          • pavel

            $300,000 is about 22 cents for every person in the State of Maine.  That doesn’t count Corporations that would also benefit from the project.  So you are freaking out over 22 cents?

          • Harry H Snyder III

             I’m “freaking out” about the fact that we (taxpayers) have paid for 3 of these studied over the past two decades.  One during the McKernan administration (Republican) one during the King administration (Independent) and one during the Baldacci administration (Democrat.) All three of these studies (by independent transportation reviewers) indicated that this road was unnecessary to MAINERS and that it was a net loser for the taxpayers of Maine.  I don’t want to waste ONE MORE CENT on this stupid unnecessary idea. 

          • Anonymous

            How much do you think that Maine spends to attract tourist or businesses to Maine each year? This is just part of that with the potetnial for a big return. Maine’s ranking as a rathole for new businesses needs help. This is a tiny amount to invest for the potential return. Why would anyone invest with no state support for it?

          • Anonymous

            Would you rather have the $300,000 going to people on Welfare who sit home and do nothina or look at ways to improve Maine’s economy and expand job growth.  I think most of us would rather have the money put to good use not giving it to those lazy folks.

          • Anonymous

            Did you say why this private operation needs State funding, yet ? 

      • Jake_OO7

        Why are you against Social Security?  

        • Guest

          >>>>>

    • Anonymous

      How can they call it a private enterprise when the only money being invested  is State funds ? 

      Have those conservative no decency ? 

    • Anonymous

      Who’d a thunk it?  Cianbro, Maines largest reciepent of welfare. Mind if I rest my ball’s on your Chin Bro?

  • Anonymous

    Doesn’t mean anything if they don’t follow through with it if the study comes out in favor.

  • Anonymous

    Would love to see a map in the KJ of the proposed route. Stop and think of what a scenic route it would be if it went up and over Mt. Katahdin.

    • Anonymous

      You have got to be freaking kidding me. Please tell me you’re joking, and I’ve missed your sarcasm.

      Please?

      • Anonymous

        Of course they are.  Yet I don’t blame you for being nervous.

        • Anonymous

           Thanks. I thought so, but I’ve seen some crazy ideas in these comments sometimes, so you never know.

      • Anonymous

         Ms. Quimby may get a surprise …I hope!

    • Anonymous

      That’d cost to much, a tunnel through the mountain would be the only option clearly.

    • hey-I’m-your-man

      I second that idea – now lets spend 300,000 to study that idea that has been studied for the past 45 years.

  • Anonymous

    Wonder how much LePage got paid off from his Canadian Business Partners. Confiscate , Destroy, Repo, Steal,  Maine houses, farms and land for an express highway for Canadian Truckers.

    • Anonymous

      This has been around for how long.

      • Superuser23

        and the reason why it sat around for so long….

      • Anonymous

        It has been studied to death since the 1950’s.  It wasn’t  a priority to Democrats because the only priority for them was exapanding the Welfare and Nanny State to unsustainable levels. If your for jobs and getting the economy going here in the 2nd District than we need to support this highway. Which Maine definitely needs.

        • Anonymous

          darkcat, you are rather dull I see: the only priority for democrats was  “exapanding  (sic) the Welfare and Nanny State to unsustainable levels.”  Yup, that’s got to be their main plan, by gawd.   You really are  rather simple, aren’t you?   You sound exactly like Doug Thomas: nothing really to say but a lot of breath to say it. 

          • Anonymous

            Really is that why Maine is Dead Last Economically.  Explain why we are in the top 3 states in terms of Welfare every year.  Your the one who is clueless just like all Liberals if it isn’t more going to Welfare Programs, Giving money to Environmentalists for the pet projects it doesn’t matter to them.  The fact is the people here in the 2nd District (The Other Maine) want this highway and have wanted this highway for close to 60 years.  We want Job Growth and economic Prosperity. Something Democrats and Enviros have no clue about.  Doug Thomas has more intelligence and common sense than all of the Liberals put together.  He has been giving ideas about how to get the 2nd District out of the 19th Century.  Just because folks like you want Maine to be a haven for the Welfare Cases and a paradise for the Tree Huggers doesn’t mean the rest of us Maine people want it that way.

          • The reason that we are going to CONTINUE to be dead last is because our legislature is supporting building a { Canadian Turnpike}  through Maine with our Tax dollars and giving the Toll Revenue to Private Companies!

          • Harry H Snyder III

            We are NOT in the top three States in Welfare, and have never been. Of the 288 poorest counties in the USA not one is in Maine.  Maine is number 36 in the percentage of folks on welfare.  many of those people are children. 
            Economy Statistics > Welfare Caseloads > Total recipients (most recent) by state

            Showing latest available data.

            Rank  

            States 

            Amount 

            # 1  

              California:
            1,085,627 

            # 2  

              New York:
            341,004 

            # 3  

              Texas:
            333,435 

            # 4  

              Pennsylvania:
            207,429 

            # 5  

              Michigan:
            202,469 

            # 6  

              Ohio:
            188,108 

            # 7  

              Tennessee:
            180,466 

            # 8  

              Washington:
            140,721 

            # 9  

              Indiana:
            140,571 

            # 10  

              Georgia:
            132,003 

            # 11  

              Florida:
            119,080 

            # 12  

              Arizona:
            111,334 

            # 13  

              Missouri:
            108,561 

            # 14  

              Massachusetts:
            108,469 

            # 15  

              New Jersey:
            101,854 

            # 16  

              Illinois:
            99,952 

            # 17  

              Minnesota:
            93,665 

            # 18  

              North Carolina:
            83,906 

            # 19  

              Kentucky:
            76,688 

            # 20  

              Virginia:
            70,199 

            # 21  

              Maryland:
            62,066 

            # 22  

              Louisiana:
            56,157 

            # 23  

              Puerto Rico:
            54,544 

            # 24  

              Iowa:
            51,713 

            # 25  

              South Carolina:
            48,028 

            # 26  

              Wisconsin:
            47,712 

            # 27  

              Mississippi:
            45,191 

            # 28  

              Alabama:
            44,646 

            # 29  

              Oregon:
            43,591 

            # 30  

              Connecticut:
            43,292 

            # 31  

              District of Columbia:
            43,136 

            # 32  

              New Mexico:
            42,999 

            # 33  

              West Virginia:
            41,478 

            # 34  

              Kansas:
            39,093 

            # 35  

              Maine:
            37,562

          • I thought it WAS Doug Thomas, but then again the  guy can type  !

  • after all this time the gov. finely has done one thing to help the people move forward

    • J

       He found another relative a job, that is great:)

  • Anonymous

    A project of this magnitude should only be a public enterprise, definately not a privately owned, for-profit one that doesn’t necessarily include the best interests of the public, but is focused on bottom line profits.
    It seems to me that the people of Maine would be better served by investments in the existing roads and bridges and improvements in public transportation systems instead of this boondogle dreamed up by the ones who would profit immensely from it.
    It’s pretty much time for Maine people to decide whether we stand for the many, or just for the few.

  • so the gov .got one thing right ,even a blind squirrel will find a nut once in a wile 

  • Guest

    >>>>>

    • Jake_OO7

      High way from nowhere to nowhere.

  • Anonymous

    I agree but dang, after a decade or more these people cannot even decide on a route from 9 to 95!

    • Anonymous

      LePage and DOT just have not decided how many homes they are about to condemn and confiscate. Pay out the least amount of money to the former home owners. I hope they have packed before the dozers show up at the front door.

  • Old Bear

    Lepage where is the money coming from. It this a family business getting the 300K  for the study or a close friend. I thought you where cutting money but I guess I was wrong. Give us some tax breaks instead of wasting the money on a study of the East West Highway. What is the study going to prove besides Washington County is the ends of the earth. 

  • Anonymous

    This will make Cianbro happy. They will certainly get the contract to build the highway, but I thought we were broke. How many times does this project need to be studied?

    • Superuser23

      A few more apparently…..

  • Anonymous

    Sounds like a short cut for Big Business. Maine citizens probably won’t be using it very much. Most people travel south, not west. I suppose if we go toward NH or to Montreal it may come into play……..

  • Anonymous

    Just made my comment to elicit a few interesting responses. Fact of the matter is that I am the biggest citizen supporter of a National Park there is in Maine. I still need to know more about the details of the East-West road to make a decision in support or opposition.

    • Anonymous

      This road is already there.  They are currently small local rural roads that are connected together.  They would be widened and upgraded by the contractors into a Multi-Lane Interstate East-West Styled Highway similar to I-95.  The plan is to have a road similar to I-95 or the Maine Turnpike to handle the amount of traffic and the type of speed this road will see.

      • Anonymous

        Thank you for enlightening me. I have no reason to not support the project.

      • Harry H Snyder III

         So then you are saying taxpayers ARE going to pay for much of this road?  Those “small local roads” are currently property of the citizens.  Are these “private developers” going to send us individual checks?

  • Guest

    BDN staff – please put the bill number within these articles.  Thank you.

    • Anonymous

       it’s a work study, there is no E/W bill!

  • Downeasta

    LePage is willing to lay off State workers in DOT so he can fund a 300k planning.  At least 6 people could have been employed with this money repairing state roads.  Lets hire people if we have a surplus and get Maine working again, not spend it on those already with jobs whom will sit in offices studying satellite and geological maps to figure out a road that was proposed back in the 1970s

    • Anonymous

       Oh you innocent little lemmings with no concept of risk management, trickle down economics, and state workers work ethics.

  • Anonymous

    Why can’t Maine own and operate the toll road? What a missed opportunity to raise needed revenue!

    • Anonymous

      We don’t need another toll road. The gas tax is supposed to pay for the cost of building and maintaining roads in Maine.

      • Anonymous

        Don’t get out much do you? There are plenty of toll roads and bridges outside of Maine.

        • Anonymous

           he aint quiteright.

    • Anonymous

      Do you want to put up the 2 billion dollars needed to get this done?

    • Anonymous

      Right.  Lets raise more revenue so the Welfare Crowd can continue to get their freebies.  No thanks.  We blow enough money on stupid government programs now.  I don’t trust Augusta getting involved with this road that is why the MTA is already raising tolls on the Maine Turnpike.  Let the private sector give it a try they can’t be any worse at running things than what Augusta has done the last 50 years.

      • Harry H Snyder III

         Absolutely let them do it…. without ANY taxpayer money.  I’ll support that.

    • PaulNotBunyan

       I suspect that the “private investors” are connected in some way to the owners of the land that most of this highway would traverse. If this were to be a state owned toll road there might be some major court battles involved in acquiring the land. I would definitely prefer to see it as a state owned road funded by selling bonds. Acquiring a wide enough path would allow future leases for power lines, pipelines and so on. But 2 billion dollars worth is a lot of bonds to sell.

  • Anonymous

    don’t knock Canada to hard,we import most of our oil from Canada and Mexico…and remember in November Obama killed at least 20,000 American jobs when he stopped the Keystone pipeline…

    • Anonymous

      wasn’t that pipe line headed to texas so they could ship that resource to china?

      • Anonymous

         You clowns have no concept of global economics. When you graduate from the fryolator to the back office, you will see that a lot of those items are from international sources.

      • US refinerries are at 86% of capacity and they are selling alot of that refined fuel to China Already!

  • Anonymous

    I have seen so much construction on I-95 and 295 over the past 10 years it is laughable, that they actually want to build ANOTHER highway to work on.  This is gonna be a huge mess before it is all said and done.  Hopefully the House and Senate will over-ride this from Lepage as well and let the people of Maine vote on this..I say Ney.

  • Washington County

    Have it be a Toll Hwy until it’s paid for. The Canadians would pay the toll for a high speed Hwy across Maine

    • hey-I’m-your-man

      thats the plan to have a toll hwy

  • Anonymous

    Of course the premiers of New Brunswick and Quebec are excited about it. their not paying for it. The US paid for the Trans Canada highway connecting Alaska and the States, So our good neighbors to the north should at least contribute something to this short cut.

  • Anonymous

    Short story. I was at a Legislative hearing about 12 years ago when the sponsor of this East-West highway bill, Doug Thomas, was shut off by the Committee Chairman. He was out of control. I was then summoned out of the Committee room and told by another Committee Chairman (a retired State Police officer) that he was an absolute whacko. I am amazed that he got re-elected – and that his bill was approved by the Legislature and the Governor.

  • Anonymous

    Jobs govnah, where are the job?

  • Anonymous

    Privately-owned railways could and should fill this need.  http://www.maine.gov/mdot/utilities/pdf/railmap.pdf.  Elsewhere, intermodal (e.g. truck-rail) shipping is increasing.  Additionally, increased use of the railways would keep more trucks off our public roadways, paid for by us taxpayers.

    I am stunned that the East-West Highway is even an issue again.  Imagine what $2B in investment would do for our CURRENT maintenance backlog on our state’s highways.

    • Liberal Soup N Crackers

      It’s not the State of Maine’s money.

    • Anonymous

       key word: ‘Public roads’, this will be toll and private.

  • Harry H Snyder III

    I’m not usually a single issue voter, but on this issue alone I will NEVER vote for Lepage again (I voted for him last time) this stupid road has been studied and studied.  It will NEVER be built, and LePage just pushed 300k down a rat hole…. And stupid me I thought the Democrats were the tax and throw-away party.

    • Anonymous

      You do realize this works out to about 25 cents each for every Maine resident? Private investment in what Maine would never do alone. Tis state has need it for a long time and will be a major boost economically. We’ll get that 300K back many times over. Look at the turnpike. Pays for itself.

      • Anonymous

        I realize that is still $300,000 for nothing, so a plain boondoggle.

        Live with that at the polls, after insisting so many honest Mainers are engaged in voter or welfare fraud . 

         

        • pavel

          A one time investment of 25 cents?  I’ll scrounge around my sofa and find enough to cover you and nine of your cynical buddies.

          • Harry H Snyder III

             Why don’t you just write them a check for the whole study?  Remember after this road begins construction, TAXPAYERS will still be libel for up to 50% of the total cost. (Estimated to be in the billions.)  Why don’t you scrounge around in your couch for that?

          • Anonymous

            Well the Welfare Crowd , Liberal Special Interest Groups, Ex Politicians, all of those who took our money.  If the money was spent on what its supposed to be spent on growing jobs and infrastructure .  We wouldn’t need this study every year which basically says what everyone knows.  Just build the Highway now they will come.  Build Baby Build.

          • Harry H Snyder III

             So now “The Conservative crowd” WANTS to spend my money on something I’ll never see (much less use)  and the “Liberal Special Interest Groups” are opposed to spending this money?/   When did conservatives start throwing money away, and liberals start saving it?  Guess I’ll have to reassess my political alignment…..again.

    • pavel

      When was the last study and what were the results?

      • Harry H Snyder III

         2003 and the study said this road (with the exact same route) was a net loser for the taxpayers.  That was only one of the many studies which rejected this road from and to Canada.

  • Anonymous

    What a joke…..typical Republicans……they are opposed to every kind of welfare, except corporate welfare…..I’d love to see an East West Highway, but if the government wants to fund it, let Cianbro pay for the 300K upfront, and the state can reimburse them when they start building the highway.

    • Anonymous

      How is a privately built interstate highway bad for Maine.  You attack Republicans because they are against Welfare. If Democrats were in control the road would never be built and we would be stuck with them spending money on more Welfare programs for freeloaders.

      • Anonymous

         If you actually read the bill, you will see that the State of Maine is paying for the study.  The highway would be privately built.  I though the Conservative point of view was that government should stay out of the way, and let private industry do their thing.

        My mistake is thinking that conservatives actually think for themselves.  They listen to Pillhead Rush and Dimwit Hannity and follow them blindly.  Not a free thought in their noggins.

        This mistake you make is that there are folks that think for themselves, rather than pick one side.

        If there is going to be a private East West Highway that costs hundreds of millions of dollars, what is 300K upfront?  The fact is private industry thinks there is little chance it will be built, but is perfectly happy to let tax dollars pay to find out for sure…

        • Anonymous

           Also there was an East West Highway Study done in 1999 under then Governor, soon to be Senator King.  Has that much changed in 13 years?  This is a giveaway to a couple of LePage’s buddies. 

          • Anonymous

             Of course things have changed, Obama has doubled fuel costs.

          • Anonymous

            Bush did not exist ? 

          • Anonymous

             Our gas was $1.80 when your boy took the reigns.

        • Anonymous

          Did you even read the bill yourself .  Because the bill says if the road gets built the money gets paid back by the contractors.  This road is coming Liberals better get over it because the DOT and LePage actually has the final say on this.  They could use the emergency economic clause that gives DOT and the Governor special powers to construct infrastructure to improve Maine’s economy.  So the bottom line is the Highway is coming . The Liberals are in a foul mood lately because their park proposal is going nowhere it is DOA.  Now they want to cry over this road which they can’t do anything about either due to Maine Law.  They can’t people’s veto it either because the supreme court already has ruled on this.  So the Liberals better find something new to complain over because they are running out of things to find fault with.

          • Anonymous

             I did read the bill.  IF the highway gets built the business folks reimburse the $300K.  IF the highway DOES NOT get built, the state has another expensive bookshelf holder, to go along with the one it has from 1999.

            I am all for the highway.  I would be for the highway if the Government built it and payed for it with tolls.  I would be for the highway if private industry built it and paid for it through tolls.

            What I am not for is the state putting up 300K for a study that will set on a bookshelf.  Again, I repeat, Why not ask private industry to pay for the study, mainly Cianbro, and have the state float a loan or throw in a kicker if the highway does get built.

            How would you feel if the state paid $300 K to study if a private park could be built in northern or western Maine, that would be paid back IF Roxanne Quimby built the park?  I would not like it, just like I don’t like this Government give away.

          • Harry, be careful. You’re beginning to make a lot of sense. And it’s the kind of sense we’ve needed in Augusta for a very long time ! And as far as the ‘kicker’ goes, does anyone really think that Maine is not going to use the ole’ ‘Eminent Domain’ as far as the land is concerned ? How much is that worth to the total cost of the road’s construction ? There are a lot of things here that are being ‘conveinently’ forgotten in this rush to build.

            Harry, you have the right idea. We all need to slow down and look at this from a whole bunch of different perspective’s before this moves any more forward. Then, when all of these question’s have been answered, everyone can be assured that this road is actually needed, not just another make-work project that’s a huge waste of time and money. Given how tight money s going to be for the foreseeable future, a little patient dilligence might save us all a whole lot of money later on for something that’s really needed, not just wanted.

          • Cianbro and others proposed Legislation for this Rd. BEFORE the study was even made!
             
              http://www.mainelegislature.org/legis/statutes/23/title23sec4251.html
             
            Also in that Legislation it called for the Private company to foot the bill for the study.

            It appears that this new law was just a bit of a sweetheart deal!

          • Anonymous

            He and other Liberals aren’t making sense they just want more of the same failed ideas we have now. What makes sense is getting everyone from the private sector coming in and giving their help to get our infrastructure built. Maine deserves better and the Far Left Wing Democratic Agenda is not the right way to go. Maine needs Independent thinking to get us out of this mess.

          • Anonymous

            If you’d pause in your hate mongering towards conservatives and THINK for just a second or two, it would be pretty obvious why it’s necessary for government to pay for the study.  THINK what YOU would be saying if a study privately funded by the very corporations which stand to benefit from the project being built found that it should go forward and they should make millions of dollars building it? Just how much credibility would a privately funded study like that have?

          • Anonymous

            First off I am a huge supporter of build roads and upgrading transportation infrastructure. Including building new Interstates, Turnpikes, East-West Interstates.  Why because our roads are pathetic.  You can’t go 50 t0 100 feet without hitting potholes ruining suspensions on cars, getting flat tires.  We need to have roads that are the quality of I-95 and the Maine Turnpike.  I don’t support Quimby’s park never have and never will.  We can’t pay and maintain the parks we have now.  Why build another one.  We have better areas with better sceneic views  OOB, Mooshead, Bar Harbor, Camden, Sebago etc.. All of which doesn’t use taxpayer bucks and attract far more tourists than a park in the middle of nowhere would.  Heck even camping areas would get more people than Quimby’s stupid park ever would.  We need private help because we are in a fiscal crisis in Augusta .  If we are going to get our roads built and new ones that we definitely need like this one.  We need the Cianbro’s etc. to get the help Maine needs to get it into the 21st century.  Maine taxpayers and the working folks we don’t want anymore tax hikes,  We want the Private Sector taking over.  Augusta has shown for the last 40+ years they can’t do anything even managing its checkbooks. Why expect anything different.

          • You dont have any idea!

          • Anonymous

            Right I bet you think continuing on the same path of the last 40 years is the way to go.  Haha you want those policies you pay for it . Send more money to Maine Revenue Service to pay for Welfare.  I will send my money to Cianbro and Peter Vigue he has common sense ideas that should have been put in a long time ago.  Maine would be better off if Peter Vigue was Governor.

      • Anonymous

        We should drug test for welfare checks don’t want the test get your money else were, also if their were more jobs their would be less on unemployment/welfare more energy sources a more efficiant way to transport goods an improved rail system would improve all this.

        • Anonymous

          Yes rails are good but Mainers and tourists deserve better roads to drive on as well.  They should have 1st rate roads and bridges to drive on.  They shouldn’t have to hit potholes every 50 t0 100 ft they shouldn’t get the damage on the vehicles that these potholes create.  They should have good roads like the Turnpike. This highway just  like  I-95 would also will get even more trucks off of these rural roads.  Their is nothing negative about this road it will pay for itself.  It will create huge amount of good paying  jobs from construction , jobs from maintainence, toll takers etc..  It will save money on transporting goods everywhere, save on fuel costs, save on travel time etc..   The folks who are opposed to it are only opposed because LePage and the Legislature support it and that the Taxpayers wouldn’t be the ones paying for it and Augusta wouldn’t be building it.  If Baldy or King was behind it trust me they would be jumping up and down telling us how revolutionary this idea is and that they are saving Maine’s economy.  Even though we have been hearing about East-West Highways for nearly 60 years.

        • Anonymous

           Send a letter to Obama then.

      • Anonymous

        The plan for this privately built highway includes seizure of property by eminent domain. Frankly, if I lived in the area in which this is planned, I would be extremely angry. The highway is NOT for tourism, or commuters, or local travel. It is intended to transport industrial materials, including toxic and dangerous materials, through our state.

        Why the taxpayers are funding a study for a private corporate highway that will screw up pristine natural areas, while cutting funds for education, healthcare for disabled and elderly, is beyond my comprehension.
        “People, not politics” was LePage’s campaign slogan. Only if those “people” he mentioned happen to actually be the CEO’s of large corporations with fat wallets to buy favors.

        • Anonymous

          Oh please the folks in the 2nd District we have wanted this highway for 50 years because we want it to help spur economic growth.  We are tired of these environmentalists controlling us telling us what we can and can’t have.  Their is nothing to protect we could care less about the stupid bugs, trees, and animals nobody has even heard of that Enviros want us to protect.  They should be the ones who should be reimbursing the taxpayers of Maine for taking taxpayers money to buy this land which happened under King and Baldacci.  They are the ones who should be doing the suffering not those who are struggling looking for better opportunities.

          • Anonymous

            I think southern Maine is getting tired of the draining of the treasury to support the north.

            How much money is that RR making, BTW? It was supposed to keep the plants open that do use it, and bring economic development too.

            Yup, The County is booming all along that project too.

          • Anonymous

            I don’t know about the railroad in Aroostook County , I live in Somerset County (Madison).   But the idea for buying the railroad was done by Baldacci and approved by Maine Voters in a referendum a couple of years ago.  I didn’t vote for it because I have never supported borrowing (bond packages) of any kind, I vote No on every one.

          • Anonymous

            The RR purchase was a sop to The County, I don’t think anybody really thought it was a going proposition for economic growth. No matter who thought it up, it was welfare for the rail company who could not have sold it to anybody else for any price. Nobody says the Dems are a lot better than the Repubs when it comes to corporate welfare.

          •    The first thing that you need to understand is that this is not going to be a Privately owned road as it will be a Public Private Partnership. 
               The second thing that you need to understand is that the legislation that allowed for this partnership was enacted in 2010 under the Democrat controlled legislation and executive branch. http://www.mainelegislature.org/legis/statutes/23/title23sec4251.html
             
                The third thing that you need to understand is that there would be no need for welfare If employers would activly engage disabled workers in gainfull employment at subsitance levels. 

          • Anonymous

            Your 3rd “thing” is so badly thought out. What do you do with people who can’t work? And to say they need to be hired at subsistance wages…..

          • Anonymous

             Wow-o-wow. Your link shows 209 thousand people with disabilities hired. Did you know that according to the census bureau, 2000, there are • 21.2 million with a condition limiting basic physical activities, such as walking, climbing stairs, reaching, lifting, or carrying. This does not include the over 9 million who have sight or hearing disabilities, or the millions more who have mental issues. 209 thou might be a big number, but it hardly 1/10 of 1% of the category you are talking about. No clue, none at all.

          • Anonymous

            Wrong.  This road will be done with private funds and run by private contractors similar to what goes on in States like Indiana, Ohio, Texas, California  and in Chicago– yes Obamaville has some of its roads run by private contractors.  Those roads are better than the public taxpayer funded Interstates.  In most cases the tolls on the Private funded roads are 1/2 as much as the Taxpayer funded roads, the roads are in better condition than those run by Government —  such as the MTA here in Maine. Which announced its raising tolls sometime late this year or early next year. I don’t care what Democrats do , they only care about finding new ways to make money to pay for their stupid programs.  Oh please its not the employers job to feel sorry for everyone.  If folks can’t take care of themselves that’s their problem they should take all the blame.  Also they have to earn those wages by hard work and on  merit. Not by entitlements.

        • Anonymous

           Hopefully, LePage has plans to run it right through Quimby’s properties with ten foot chain link fences. Don’t forget, it may be built by private, but ‘planned’ by Augusta.

          • Anonymous

            Ahyup, so Snowmobile Clubs should oppose it, too, right. 

          • Anonymous

            Snowmobile clubs will have rights of way on it.

          • Anonymous

             That was said in jest kid.

      • Anonymous

        How is it “privately build”  when only money being spent on the business plan is State funds ? 

         

        • Anonymous

          If you read the articles the money gets paid back when the highway gets built which likely will be happening much sooner than later.  If LePage and DOT wanted too they could use their emergency powers under Maine Law and declare the economic need for this road which they have authority to do. The road would be built. The only reason Liberals are against it is because their hero’s Baldacci or King isn’t the person behind this idea.  If they were behind it they would be giving us some bleeding heart warm and fuzzy liberal speech how “revolutionary” this road is.  How our quality of life is better.  How its going to be an economic boon for Maine. But once this road is built these same folks who are always are complaining will then tell us how great this road is.  It’s the same things with Liberals they are against it only if they aren’t the ones invovled.  But they will take the credit if this road is a huge success.

      • Anonymous

        You know, this sounds like the Dickey-Lincoln project. Lots of talk, a few special interest people getting money for feasibility studies. Not one shovel of dirt ever turned for it. Just a new feasibility study for somebody to make a few dollars from. My prediction, it will never be built because private enterprise knows better.

        I went out with a certain young lady when I was a young man. She kept telling me that if I bought her a nice necklace, I would get a “reward”. Eventually, I bought her the necklace and collected my “reward”. Later found out my brother was getting the reward without buying any jewelry at all. Moral of that story: if you need to buy a necklace to collect a reward, it probably ain’t worth it. I think Cianbro should spring for the necklace if they think it is such a good idea.

        • Anonymous

          The problem is the State is doing the study but it will not be done by some stupid Liberal Group so it goes in favor of the Environmentalists.  Actually I think this project has a good chance of happening.  The problem is we stop everything we say NO each time and let those who fight against these projects win.  It’s time for the Maine people who are struggling to start winning on some of these projects.  We say No to LNG, No to Coal Gasification, No to Manufacturing, No to Casinos up till a few years ago.

          • Anonymous

             Uh, when has Maine said no to LNG, coal gasifiication and manufacturing?

    • Liberal Soup N Crackers

      What a joke… typical Progressive Liberal … they are opposed to every good idea that comes along. I thought you types were all for government investment in infrastructure projects???

      • Anonymous

         Well, I am in favor of government investment in infrastructure.  I’m not in favor of throwing away money for something that will never be done.  Dwight Eisenhower, that damned liberal, was actually the king of infrastructure investment.  He also said “beware of the industrial-military complex”….that now seems to be the mantra of the Republican party.

        • Anonymous

          Haha if we wait for Democrats to build it the bridges would collapse like they did in Minnesota.  That is why it took decades to get bridges in Maine built like  Norridgewock , that bridge with the viewing deck, Portland’s Veteran’s Bridge,  Kittery Bridge that is closed now etc..   The only way we will get our infrastructure built and upgraded is if we let the Private Sector help us.  Because Augusta has shown for several decades they are incapable of even getting the Fiscal House and DHHS in order. 

          • Anonymous

            Doug, this is you, isn’t it?  Hahaha.  You care waaaay too much.  How much you gettin out of it?

          • Anonymous

            Yeah at least Doug cares about moving Maine foward something Democrats have absolutely No Clue about how to do.  The only 2 ideas Democrats have for the Economy is that Stupid Park and Gay Marriage LOL.  Yeah that sure is going to create jobs for Mainers.  Give Me A Break.   That is why Dems are in the Minority right where the belong.  Because they have zero ideas on jobs.   They have no business experience period. Why because most of the Dem Legislators all have come from living off of taxpayer subsidies from working in the Welfare Program Sector, to taking subsidies from other Liberal Programs. Until they can create reasonable ideas for jobs they should just sit there and bang the pencils on their desks at the State House.

          • Anonymous

            Ya, it’s only democrats who want a park and are gay.  Only trashing the environment makes economic sense.  One cannot make money respecting the earth, right mr. conservative genius?

          • Anonymous

            Do you think Conservatives , Greens, and us Independents want this garbage that Democrats ram down our throats. Take a look at the last few referendums that were done by Democrats and the 2010 election.  If that doesn’t give you a message how most Mainers feel than Democrats are really as dumb as the rest of the Maine people feel they are.

          • Anonymous

            Just to be clear-Bridge collapse took place on August 1, 2007. President George Bush (R); Governor Tim Pawlenty (R). Before Pawlenty was Ventura (I) and before him Arne Carlson (R). How was this bridge collapse the fault of Democrats?

      • Anonymous

        They are only for it if it benefits them instead of everyone.  If it was King or Baldy behind this and The DOT was building it they would be wanting to find ways to build it through massive tax hikes etc..  But since the Private Sector would build it the highway will get done quicker and we may actually see it being put to good use by everyone. They are saying it’s corporate welfare etc. what nonsense.  The Liberals are against this highway but trust me they will be saying how great this road is and how much of a benefit it will be to everyone.

        • Harry H Snyder III

           The private sector with up to 50% public (read taxpayer) money. 

    • Anonymous

       They will it’s in the bill described in this article which you didn’t read!

  • Guest

    If we do this for the Candians, will they finish I 95 for our Maine citizens in the County?

    • Superuser23

      No, but soon that part of the state will be sold to Canada to recoup some costs wasted on this.

      • Guest

        Look up the Webster-Ashburton Treaty of 1842. We should have let the Canadians win then

        • Superuser23

          lol yeah maybe a new Treaty can be forged to just make the entire state a new Providence and Waterville can be the Capital

  • Anonymous

    Why did he sign this bill into law?  Hasn’t he publicly stated he is against corporate welfare?  Isn’t that what this is?  If the private company wants to build the highway, just let them do it with no further delays.

    • Anonymous

       It’s not really corporate welfare; it’s uhm..smart planning. We loan 300,000 for the feasibility and it’s paid back by the private concern who does this.  Let the bids for the project…but in this case; we pick the most likely to succeed. The Canadian truckers will have a straight line to drive and save on the fuel bills and maintenance bills for their fleets. The Dysarts and Irvings will competitively bid for service and entertainment facilities. Hotel chains will build and the State will benefit from tax dollars, ease of access by thousands of shoppers with a strong Canadian dollar since your prezbozo is killing the dollar value. Oh yea, bring it on!

  • Anonymous

    Here’s something that private investors are willing to look at. A few pennies out of my pocket is not too much to ask. They need to know the state would be behind something of this magnitude. This could be the best money this state has ever spent to boost Maine economically.

  • If David Cole is awarded this contract..we should all snap to attention and scream now wait a minute..not on my $300,000

    • Anonymous

      Who says David Cole is getting anything.  This road will go out to bid and done by professionals not by Baldacci administration hacks.  Stop with the misinformation.  Face it you Enviro freaks lost.  Their is nothing you can do about this road.  The Governor and DOT can use their emergency powers under Maine law and have this road built to help the economy.  It is time you Enviro lovers and Park Supporters go find some other folks to mooch off of.  I expect this road will be on the fast track because they already are talking about late fall this study should be out and LePage says on tv tonight he wants the construction crews to start building soon after.

      • Dark Cat..I am not an “enviro” and not a “park lover”.. I am a completely independent voice here speaking as an individual Maine citizen.

        I am a lover of truth and transparency and good government. My entre life has been devoted to these principles.

        Until there is more of that about the East West Highway we are all just guessing about what the truth may be.

  • Anonymous

    All the highway will be is a highway of death, an animal killing field. We do not need an east west highway for the Canadians. Let them eat cake.

  • Anonymous

    We have 300,000 available?

  • Anonymous

    Build it and they will come! End of story

  • Waste of money. Convince me that the steady decline of Canadian and American trucks on The Airline over the last 15 years is not an indicator.

  • Anonymous

    Stupid Stupid Stupid

  • Anonymous

    Can’t maintain the roads we have now, so…Let’s build another.   If Canada is so interested in a road, let them pay for it. 

    • PaulNotBunyan

       Try reading the story. We are not building it or maintaining it. It would be a business. If they don’t maintain it well enough, they lose income from tolls. Simple enough.

      • Anonymous

        So exactly why are we spending public tax money on a study if this is a private business deal??

        • PaulNotBunyan

          In theory, it’s being treated like a concession that would have multiple bidders. In that case it would be the state’s proper role to do this first study. However, I have my doubts there will be any serious competition for this. I bet it will include some of the biggest land owners in Maine trading land for a piece of the action.

  • Jake_OO7

    They need a good highway up there for everyone moving out.
    Thanks for nothing Lepage.   Go back to Jamaica you dope.

  • Did anyone ‘splain to the Gomer what east and west is?????  Oh wait never mind he knows, that is the road he hightailed to Canada on when he was NOT avoiding the Viet Nam conflict. ROFLMAO! I still wonder though whatever happened to Gomer’s other family, you know the one he deserted up in Canada, AFTER the war ended and it was safe to return to ‘merica?  Remember in November corporate welfare good……… public welfare bad. Oh and if you Republicans wouldn’t drag your knuckles on the pavement, the roads would be in much better shape, something to keep in mind when you have the window down and driving.

  • Anonymous

    There have been at least two other studies.  Each one determined the cost of the road wouldn’t be equal to  the progress to communities  or the savings to drivers.  What changed?   Why would a toll road suddenly be more attractive than a free road?   Is there some information that we don’t know about that has suddenly made this road attractive?    

  • A feasability study? The East/West highway is no brainer, spend the moeny on developing it. Waive the prevailing wage rules, and more people can be hired to do it, and it will not be as outrageous in cost.

  • Anonymous

    Ahh,D.B.. You make assumptions without any awareness 0f  the situation. I am a truck driver who travels Maine-Nova Scotia three times a week, and buy ALL my fuel on THIS side of the border, except in extenuating circumstances! And, setting aside the 18 wheelers for a second, you should see all the 4 wheelers lined up six deep on THIS side of the border to buy gas as they get set to travel to Bangor or Portland to spend money in MAINE.  Just check out the parking lots at the malls, restaurants and motels (and Marden’s,lol) for an idea about how much international trade takes place! 

  • Anonymous

    Delete

    • Anonymous

      You actually think you know what’s what? What construction in Canada are you talking? Read the article. I’m quite happy with LePage cleaning up crooks at the Turnpike Authority (to be sentenced to jail today) and frivolous spenders at the Maine State Housing Authority (fired).
      You ain’t quite right!

  • Anonymous

    We can’t properly maintain the roads we have today!!  Fix what we have and call it good.

  • Anonymous

    Delete

  • Anonymous

    OMG.  How many people would lose their homes for the sake of “commerce???”  Looks like it runs straight through the middle of Alton where I am from!  I love how some of you people could care less of how this is going to affect so MANY Maine families who will lose their homes and land and you are so willing to put “commerce” before your fellow Mainers.  As long as it doesn’t affect you, you are in support of it.  Not to mention Maine is a beautiful state and adding another highway will take away from the beauty of it. 

  • Anonymous

    I think much of the confusion here is that people hear “East West Highway” and then they imagine that as whatever they want it to be.  Most of the proponents are envisioning a nice fast highway — paid for entirely by a private entity — that lets Mainers easily travel about the central rural areas of the state and that will bring prosperity and jobs to the surrounding communities while leaving unspoiled recreation and conservation areas intact.

    The reality is that the plan as laid out is less idyllic.

    Firstly, despite assurances otherwise this is not going to be purely a private enterprise.  The proposal passed (not even sneakily written by Cianbro) a few years back has up to 50% of the funding coming from the state, and I expect every bit of that will be taken advantage of.  The proposal is not obviously economically viable (as several previous feasibility studies have demonstrated) and since the current administration is so clearly willing to fund private development with public money Cianbro will happily take advantage.  It is also impossible to do something of this size without some state intervention to collect the necessary land and rights-of-way.  I imagine we’ll see some recalcitrant landowners facing eminent domain seizures so that their property can be given to a private entity for use as a toll road.  It’s creepy, frankly.

    Second, even the publicly-stated plan for this road is not as a transportation network for the region but rather as a route for through-trucks passing from Canada to Canada.  There will be very few exits along the way and the tolls will be high enough to deter most non-commercial traffic.  The money can’t come and stay in the communities if there is no offramp for it to take.  The only thing those towns will get leaving the roadway are noise and diesel exhaust.  Furthermore, even the communities graced with a nearby exit will not see much direct benefit — some fast food chains, gas stations, and other transportation infrastructure will pop up right off the roadway offramp while the town a few miles away stagnates, deprived of even the modest traffic they used to get from those traversing using the old state roads.

    Finally, I do think that building such a road would mean some money for Maine, at least in the short term.  State coffers would be bumped by a nice big lump sum up front, and there would be plenty of (non-union) jobs available while the thing was being built.  But in ten years?  Most of those jobs will have dried up, toll revenues from the road would all be going to the developer, and Maine will have taken a bit step towards mortgaging the one precious commodity she has — unspoiled wilderness.

  • Briney

    This ancient worn out idea keeps popping up as the solution to saving Maine.

    It is much akin to the Canadian Keystone Pipeline.  After knifing through acres of prime cattle and farmlands, Canadian oil will be refined into diesel and jet fuel and exported to China, Latin America and Europe.  We will not get any gas that some politicians promise.  

    The bewhiskered East-West idea is strictly for the benefit of Canadians.  It will provide them with the link they’ve been sweating over for decades – a direct super highway across Maine connecting Quebec with the Atlantic provinces.  Maine will be left with a huge scar across some of its most beautiful acreage.

  • Guest

    I am a 70 year old man. I will never use this road. Why are you using my tax money for it?

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