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  • Anonymous

    Destructive, wasteful, inefficient, costly. 

    • ChuckGG

      Constructive, economical, capable, investment.

      Let’s see.  How much business is going on in the affected area?  How much as been going on in the last 40 years?  I guess what they were doing (nothing) is not working out for them.  Put yourself in the shoes of a Canadian trucker:  shorter distance, less fuel, faster, more efficient, saves time, saves money.

      • Anonymous

        Rail is several times more efficient than trucks for moving freight, especially over large distances. It would be far less costly and the return far greater to upgrade the already existing east-west rail line that connects the Maritimes with Montreal. Trucking is a 2oth century technology that will run up against prohibitive fuel costs in the next few decades. Modern rail is the future.

        • ChuckGG

           I agree on a per mile basis the costs of rail are far cheaper.  However, upgrading the rail to the capacity of the trucking industry for that one line is going to cost a lot of money.  I am a big proponent of rail, though.  Every mode has its place.  That’s why I am all for the inter-modal capability of the East-West Highway system.  Each system has its place.  The highway system also would include passengers that rail realistically would not.

          I would think the rail people would be all for this as this would dovetail nicely with their systems.  The inter-modal switchover at Brownsville plus other connections makes sense to me.

        • Anonymous

          The problem is the rails in most rural areas have been ripped up and discontinued which is sad.  I would like to see rail still used but it’s not gonna happen.  But to say we can’t have east-west highways built to help move goods, create jobs, save fuel is insane.  The 2nd District needs help, needs infrastructure built, it needs economic and major job growth. Thankfully we have people with vision and insight like Peter Vigue here in Maine who cares about the state he loves and lives in to see Maine move foward. Too bad we only have a few folks like Doug Thomas who has that vision that wants to get jobs and economic growth going here in Maine.

        • How are you getting the freight from the rail hubs to the customer? Basing freight on trains takes larger trucks of the road, but triples smaller truck traffic because Hannaford doesn’t order 7 or 8 pallets of product, they order 22 – 24 pallets of product. Rail also puts a death nail in fresh produce as trucks go from California to Mass much faster than trains. Basically if you want lettuce, strawberries, and many other items in Maine iin the dead of winter, better not depend on the trains.There is a happy medium to be had, but putting the bulk of the U.S. freight on rails is not the answer.

        • poormaniac

          And the state already owns a rail line up in the county.

        • Anonymous

          or they could use the St. Lawrence Seaway, (which is the cheapest and most efficient method of connecting Toronto, Montreal & the Maritimes) LIKE THEY ALREADY DO! 

      • Anonymous

        Will customs bonded and sealed trucks even slow down between both of their border crossing? , 

        • ChuckGG

           Actually, I imagine they would to a degree.  There is a program that I noticed when I cross at Buffalo that has a lane for pre-cleared trucks.  I believe there is an external examination of the vehicle and the driver’s papers are checked.  Of course, ICE still could X-ray the truck if they chose.  This is not uncommon.  In my work with USPS, they have a “trusted vendor” concept were LL Bean, for example, would ship a ton of stuff by air to Japan.  The cargo manifests and all that are electronically sent to Japan prior to the plane’s arrival so it all clears Customs quickly.  I am sure the trucking people must do something similar although this is an area I have not studied.

          I do know they have a “preferred lane” so to speak for some trusted companies.  When I was traveling across the border frequently, I had a NEXUS pass that has a special lane.  You go through that and you don’t have to wait nearly as long.  The problem at the border is that sometimes the cars are backed up for miles and just getting to the fast-lane is a problem.

          As I mentioned in another post, there has been talk on both sides about opening up the border.  I really think this makes sense.  It would be far easier for us to collectively monitor the few ship ports and few airports (since US ICE is there already) than to waste all this time and gas along a 3500 mile stretch.

          Interestingly, there is some pushback on this idea from some of my Canadian friends.  They are sensitive to this and do not want to become the “51st State.”  Well, I hate to tell them this, but that ship has sailed.  If you go up to Canada and Toronto in particular and look around, you would be hard pressed to find a native store.  Everything US is there – Home Depot, Sears, Lowe’s, McD’s, Wendy’s, Staples – all of them.  They do have Canadian Tire which is every guy’s dream store.  Kind of Western Auto + Sear’s Tools on steroids.

          • Anonymous

             Yes, “opening up the border” does “make sense”.  It makes sense to those who do business across the border who don’t like those pesky inspections; it makes sense to smugglers  who would find it much easier to conduct their cross-border activities; it would make sense to terrorists who would find it much easier to conduct their business; and it makes sense to illegal aliens, who would find it even easier to enter this country.

            We should do better inspections at our “ports of entry”, not worse.  At the same time, we should do whatever we can to speed up the inspection process.

          • Anonymous

            The Terrorist Hyway ? 

          • ChuckGG

             Well, the news flash for you is that all those things you mentioned are already here.  Part of this US-Canada effort is to tighten up their “Landed Immigrant” status (implied, not stated) that would be more restrictive on who may emigrate to Canada.  The threat from regular Canadians is minimal.  The 9/11 terrorists came in from Canada, but I might remind you that we let them into the USA, not Canada.  So, tighten up the borders, but tighten them up in North America.  If you think the current northern border is rock-solid, then you are very mistaken.  It’s 3500 miles, of which there are many cross-overs any hiker could find.

            The better approach, in my opinion, is to secure the ports-of-entry in Canada (there are not that many) before the bad guys ever land in North America.  Doing this would solve the problem sooner rather than later.  If the come over the North Pole, well, they really are dedicated.

            Smugglers?  For what?  A run on the US Maple Syrup market?  Please do not forget that we have a long history of Canadians migrating to Maine from Quebec and close ties with Canada.  We trade $1B a day between US and Canada.

            The question to me is just how effective is the current border method?  I would say “not very.”  I am sure ICE would tell you otherwise and cite some examples of the “stupid” illegal aliens that tried to cross at Peace Bridge and got caught.  The “stupid” ones are not those we need to worry about.

            All of us who sat in those foolish mile long lines trying to cross (some taking literally hours to cross) shook our heads.  It is the classic case (and I have worked with the Feds in DC for 30+ years) of, “We can’t solve the real problem so we will solve this problem.”  Anyone who could not go through the gate would walk 5 miles down the road and cross over the barbed wire fence, if one actually were there.

            Let’s do something that is effective for a change and not just for show.

          • Anonymous

             I retired from the Border Patrol at Calais, so I have a working knowledge of the borders.  I agree that the border is far from “rock-solid”. I’d like to see this country tighten things up rather that relying on Mexico to enforce our southern border and Canada to enforce our northern border.  I don’t have a thing against Canadians, nor Mexicans for that matter. I just believe our countries are different.  I wouldn’t like to see this country give up its sovereignty to please the globalists and the international business interests.

            And whatever is smuggled across the southern border is smuggled across the northern border, just not in the same amounts. The inspectors at the ports of entry  are CBPO’s (Customs and Border Protection Officers), not employees of ICE, and they do a pretty good job, considering the restraints that are put on them.  And it’s not that easy to simply walk or drive around the POE’s; the Border Patrol apprehends most of them. 

            I’m reasonably certain that none of the “9/11” terrorists came in from Canada; if that’s incorrect, I’d be interested in links to the information. There were rumors that Atta and his cohort has crossed at Jackman, but it was shown that they were in the U.S. and drove to Portland where they caught their flight to Boston. Almost all of them were here on student visas, many of them attending flight schools. 

            We can disagree about whether or not we should have open borders, but I don’t believe a majority of Americans would support the idea. Nor do I believe that most Americans want to “contract out” our border security to Mexico and Canada. It might be good for business, but I don’t believe it’s good for the country.

          • ChuckGG

             Thanks for your insight.  I have heard the “official” and “unofficial” reasons for the idea of opening the Canadian/USA border and creating a joint task force for entry to this zone.  The official reason is obvious – to help improve business shipments and transportation between the USA and Canada. 

            The “unofficial” reason I have heard is that the USA, knowing the northern border is somewhat porous, wants to stop the problem before they ever get to North America.  Canada has a very open “Landed Immigrant” status that any jamoke with half an excuse can get into Canada and reside.  Part of the conditions for this joint task force is to tighten up Canada’s immigration policies.   The task force would be similar to our NORAD operation which (last I heard) was headed up by a Canadian general.  So, I would not be too worried about the USA farming out our border security to another nation.  If anything, I think it would tighten it up.

            Plus, there is precedence for this.  As you know, the major airports in Canada have USA ICE (or CBPO 0r whatever it is called now after Homeland got involved) present at those ports so that a plane cleared there can fly to any location in the USA.  This makes sense and has worked well for many years.

            Sidebar:  I was using the INSPass terminals for ages before 9/11 and few things worked so well.  After all the hoopla I went through to get the card, the photos, the biometric data, and on and on, after 9/11 they shut down those gates!  I was livid.  Now, I was stuck behind a family of 15, complete with goats, sheep, and speaking no English, just so I could get back into my own country.  Why they shut this down is anyone’s guess.  No one BUT me could have gotten through that gate, yet they slowed the whole show down to go over to the manual stamp-the-passport method.

            As far as smuggling goes, I think this is the proverbially peeing on a forest fire.  If DEA was really effective in these efforts (I give them credit for a thankless job), illegal drugs would be sky-high expensive and hard to find.  They are neither.  That is the law of supply and demand and another discussion.

            BTW, I had not heard that Atta came in other than through Jackman, Maine.  Thanks for the clarification.  But, it goes to my point – WE let him in for whatever reason.  The Canadians did not so that is our cross to bear.

            Here is what I want:  Whatever is effective.  The amount of time we waste on preventing people with a prior drug use charge from entering the country astounds me.  I go back to my earlier statement about not solving the real problems so they try to solve the minor problems.  Let’s focus on what really is a threat to the USA and some college student who did two lines of coke in the 1990’s is hardly worth the paperwork, yet for some reason, this is a big damn deal at the border.

            Let’s focus on terrorists and not two bottles of wine over the limit (which I realize is a Customs and dollar issue).

            Thanks for your service to our country, by the way!

          • Anonymous

            I suspect that we could agree on some minor tweaking of the laws and on immigration and customs enforcement.  I also suspect that we’d have a much harder time agreeing on any substantive changes.  It’s a discussion that Americans need to have, rather that just “digging in our heels” and insisting that it’s all our way or no way at all.

            My apologies to all for taking up so much column space.

          • ChuckGG

             Electronic column space is cheap – don’t worry about it.  My grandfather said I was vaccinated with a Victrola needle.

            My theory:  Why say in 25 words what can be said in 2500?

            I agree.  It is a discussion that needs to be had.  As I said, I want what is effective and convenient.  There probably is a way to get both.  Aside from the tragedy that was 9/11, the clamp down on the borders was a complete reversal of what I hoped the USA and Canada was well on the track to doing – adopting the Euro model, but that didn’t happen.
             

          • Anonymous

             I wonder how many people feel that the “Euro model” has been a great success?

          • ChuckGG

            I do not really know but the size of the countries over there would be similar to our states, so imagine having to go through border crossings at New Hampshire, then Vermont, and on and on.  Just a waste of time.  And, I would argue in Europe the countries are more dissimilar than similar.  France, Germany, and Spain – three different languages, yet they are on-board with the open-border concept.  This was the Schengen Agreement of 1985 with 26 countries and 400 million people.  It works for them.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_Agreement

            I would think the Canadians would be more concerned about us overwhelming them than the other way around.  Really, 34 million people in all of Canada?  There are 38 million people in California alone.  And, you know how pushy we are.  We’d go in there and start demanding people start calling soft drinks “soda” and not “pop.”  We’d tell them to fix their traffic lights and install arrows instead of “flashing green” lights.  All the snowplows would have to get rid of their blue lights and milk would have to come in “real cartons” or “plastic jugs” and not in bags as it does now. 

            And, the metric system!  To hell with that foolishness! 

            Bilingual?  Forget about it!  If anything, it’s going to be Spanish, amigo!  The French can secede – who would give a rat’s behind?  Keep their damn poutine.

            Yes, that would be what would happen if we opened the border between the USA and Canada.

            Of course, we’d get a few more Tim Horton’s, too, but they have good coffee.  I can manage to say, “I want a double-double,” if that’s what it takes, eh?

  • Anonymous

    If this is such a slam dunk idea, why doesn’t Cianbro cough up the money for the study?

    Cianbro has plenty of money.

    Why does the ruling party try to always “save” money by cutting services, yet wants to spend money that’ll benefit no one other than road construction?

    It seems like a crazy time to build major new highways with gas climbing daily.

    • ChuckGG

       $300k won’t get you two engineers to do a study.  It’s chump change.  The State has to do some “due diligence” before issuing permits.  This is their start to the process.  I’m sure it will cost many times that in other studies before a shovel of dirt is turned over.

      In my experience, wherever you put new roads and new rail, businesses and people pop up around the stretch.  This would be ideal as the Canadians would use the heck out of it.  The route save time, money, and fuel.  I would say this is exactly the time to build new roads when fuels costs are high.  Better roads, shorter routes, all save fuel and money.

      My suggestion to people is instead of complaining about this stuff, how about figuring out how you can make a dollar on the deal.

      • Anonymous

        Good post Chuck.  I believe this is MUCH nearer to reality than many people think.  It would be a tremendous day for the entire state if this does indeed happen.  If the environuts can be kept at bay, I believe it will happen.

        • ChuckGG

          I am all for the environment.  I am not seeing anything in particular that is any more of an environmental threat than would be any other roadway.  And, these truckers and trucking in general is moving toward cleaner fuels and alternative fuels.  This is happening across the country.  The driver for this is not necessarily to protect the yellow-bellied sap-sucker, but to save money on the bottom line.  I also understand that much of the roadway already exists so the rights-of-way are there. 

          Take out a map and just take a look at the cross-over from Jackman or Coburn-Gore down across toward Calais.    That must take a full-day off traveling up, over, and down the upper-part of Maine.  Time and distance saved equals money saved, even with the tolls.

          I travel to Toronto quite frequently and use the 407 toll expressway.  There are no toll-booths, only archways that read your transponder.  You don’t miss a beat or slow down one iota.  It’s a great system and painless.  I have been told the 407 ETR is owned by an American company.  It’s pricey but very fast and saves a ton of time. 

          Add in rail for inter-modal, air at Bangor for shipping internationally, the ports in Canada (and Maine), plus civilian passenger traffic with cars going to/from the Maritimes, and I just do not see how this would be anything but a success.

          We do need to get this ridiculous border-crossing fiasco tamed down and there are talks to do just this what with pre-screening and trusted-traveler expedited crossing.  The delays in Buffalo can be significant, although I have been lucky lately.  Over $1B (billion) in trades goes back & forth between Canada and the USA daily.  There actually are discussions about opening the border (as is done in Europe and was my hope prior to 9/11) and expand police coverage at the few seaports and limited airports in Canada with a “North American Customs/INS/ICE” police force from both Canada and the USA.  Right now, US ICE exists at the major airports in Canada.  One clears US ICE in Canada and that plane then is released to fly to any location in the USA thus eliminating the need for the plane to stop at one of our official Ports of Entry for US ICE screening.  To me, this makes perfect sense.  We should have done it years ago before we spent billions trying to beef-up the Canadian/USA border – a 3500 mile border than anyone with a canoe and a paddle could cross undetected.

          Sorry – got off-track.  From what I see, this new roadway would bring a ton of business to Maine in an area that desperately needs new business.  Where there is transportation and communications, businesses spring up to serve not only local business but international business.  It is a win-win for all.

          • Anonymous

            Aye, Canadians love the idea, so let them build it, because the State of Maine can’t afford to.

            How 
            Where 
            When 
            and  who’s going to pay for it are all missing in this article. 

          • ChuckGG

            Perhaps a model for this would be Toronto’s 407ETR which is a transponder-based toll road.  I pay something like $23 in tolls to get from the east side of Toronto down to Hamilton which is about 1-1/2 hours of driving.  Not cheap, but not 3 hours of stop-and-go on the 401 on Friday afternoon, either.  No toll booths – all high-speed transponder archways.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontario_Highway_407

            It is my understanding these tolls pay for the roadway and I had heard it is owned by an American company.

            I do not think it should be built unless is can be justified by tolls and projected gains in tax revenue from fuel fill-ups, etc.

            While the tolls may be high for a truck, bear in mind they are cutting off a day’s travel and all that fuel needed to go over the top of Maine and down into Canada.  I think if it is priced right, it would be attractive to the truckers.

          • I agree, Chuck; with fuel threatening $5/GL, we need to do everything possible to conserve it. And, even those organic vegetables need to be trucked. You’d think environmentally minded folks would want to show minimal energy consumed and reduced carbon foot print for getting the goods to the market. 

          • Anonymous

            How exactly would building a big new raod, to connect places that don’t actually provide us much in imports, how exactly limit our state’s carbon footprint?

          • Anonymous

            You nailed it right on the head! Building roads to transport freight is terribly inefficient when it comes to moving ANYTHING of any size at all. And here’s some data to flesh it out a bit: according to a 2004 study published in the “United States Transportation Energy Book”, the BTU per short ton mile expenditure for Class 1 Railroads is 341: for heavy trucks it is a whopping 3,357! The way of the future (in sane countries that are not wholly-owned subsidiaries of the auto and oil industries) lies in steel rails and ever-more efficient locomotives rolling on them- not in private highways hawked by the leader of the company that would build them.

          • hey-I’m-your-man

            Canadians have already lived up to our end of the deal – don’t you read?

          • Anonymous

            Just because you build it does not mean “they will come”.  Unless there is some ort of dramatic shift in the population of the maritimes, all you are going to do is move the same money, coming from hte same people, to different areas of the state.

            A big pile of money was spent about 10 years ago on an “Intermodal Facility” in Lewiston-Auburn.  In those ten years, I’ve yet to see their economy get out of the dumpster. 

          • ChuckGG

             I suspect it is access to those ports than can make a difference.  Right now, the only way to the sea is the Gaspe Penninsula and the St. Lawrence Seaway.  Just my guess.

          • Anonymous

            Halifax moves less cargo than Portland and roughly as much as New Haven, CT and Gary, IN.   Not a big port.

      • Anonymous

        So that explains The booming Milford to Houlton corridor? No, most jobs are created in the population centers, which happen to be on the Interstate. Highways are a good selling point for those cities, but the notion that development will bloom along an East-West highway is a fantasy.

        • ChuckGG

          With due respect to Milford and Houlton, just what major centers are you connecting?  There already is traffic going from Toronto/Montreal/Quebec to the Provinces and its taking the long route.   Toronto has 5 million people.  Not sure abut Montreal and Quebec but they certainly are up there.  While I do not expect huge development all along the way, those stopping points and inter-modal transfer points including Bangor should see an increase in business.  You don’t see development so much along the way as you do at the intersections of major transportation routes.

          Newport is a good example on a much smaller scale.  Nearby Pittsfield does not get nearly the business Newport gets because Newport is at the crossroads of a few well-traveled routes.

          • Very intuitive Chuck and quite refreshing regarding the “major centers” comment. I think you will find the impetus for the highway to Houlton was the former Loring AFB in the days of Strategic Air Command. Since those days are history, people forget.

          • poormaniac

            Then why dosen’t I 95 end in Limestone ?  By the way didn’t SAC fly ?

          • ChuckGG

             I do not know what the politics were for the placement of I-95 but clearly there were some going on.  Look at how it goes Northeast and then dips to the Southeast before heading on to Houlton.  Why Houlton?  No idea.  It is parallel with Moncton in Canada, a fair sized city.

            Yes, Limestone was the site for SAC (as was Bangor/Dow AFB) but the main deal was in Limestone for the B-52’s (although there were B-52’s based at Dow).  Limestone also was the site for the Snark, the first nuclear capable “cruise missile” if you can call something the size of a small airliner a “cruise missile.”  It only had the accuracy to get you to a city but if you were dealing with a nuke, a city is probably close enough.  These were short-lived being soon replaced with ICBMs.

          • ChuckGG

             Could well be.  But as poormanic mentioned, why not go on to Limestone.  No idea but perhaps Houlton was considered more of a city and would serve the civilians while Limestone is just Limestone.  Not much else around (with deference to the people and my cousin who live in Caribou).  That is one heck of a remote area.  I have been “up North” a few times in my life but that is a lot of miles of a lot miles.  Beautiful country.

            It would be interesting to see a comparative study of traffic vs. population before/after Limestone and Loring.  There are some websites showing the remains of some of the bases.  Fascinating the size and scope of these bases and what they must have cost, all as a result of the Cold War.  Some think it was wasted money but I would say the Cold War was a success.  Not a shot was fired (well, mostly, but no battles).  We also gained in technology (always a by-product of any war, ironically).  It was a different time and given the choice between then and now, I will pick now.

          • Anonymous

            Which “long route”?

            One goes through a number of large cities (Toronto-Buffalo – Rochester – Albany – Springfield – Worcester – Boston – Portsmouth – Portland).  So if its booming, I’d say it has more to do with the intermediate points than the endpoints).

            The other goes through a lot of “nowhere” up in Quebec.  Ever driven that route?  I have, and buddy, there ain’t much up there.

          • Anonymous

            PS – there are no “Major centers” in maritime Canada for this to connect to…. Unless you mean Halfiax, which is roughly the size of Worcester, MA. 

            Quebec city is not all that big either and anyway would not be close to the route.Q  is still a decent haul from the itnernational border at Coburn Gore. 

        • Anonymous

          Haynesville, Macwahoc, Mattawamkeag etc. all used to have small economies based on travel on Route 2 when it used to be the major travel corridor.  Then they built the interstate….this project will be beneficial to small towns??? doubt it.

          • poormaniac

            Ah but Medway and Oakfield have grown ! What ruined Mattawamgeag was the closure of the drive in !

      • Anonymous

        Yeah, that “Bridge to Nowhere” sure was an economic boon.. . Or should I say boondoggle!

        • ChuckGG

           Exactly my point – it should connect big business centers which is what the East-West Highway would do.  Apparently, the people with the “Bridge to Nowhere” did not do a study or perhaps did not read it.

          • Anonymous

            There are really no big business centers in Atlantic Canada! 

            The region’s largest city is about the size of Worcester, MA and moves about half the frieght of Portland, ME.

    • Anonymous

      Here, let me save the State $ 299, 999. 98.
      For my two cents worth,  which you can roll forward into a stock option,
      Mr. Peter Vigue, why don’t you just go ahead and build the Cianbro
      West/East Private Turnpike ? 

      Your forward thinking company, alone, seems to understand the pressing need, 
      so why not just invest so your company, alone, can will reap the financial  rewards ?

      If “Build it and they will come” does not work with your bankers, 
      why should it with the voters ?

    • Anonymous

      Self interest is what it is all about. Self interest is what it is ALWAYS about. End of discussion. LOL

    • Anonymous

       The reason that Cianbro is not coughing up money for the study is the very thing that makes this so appealing to them.  They are proposing to build what will essentially be a private, toll highway, using a combination of public money and most importantly, the public ability to force eminent domain on landowners.   We don’t need an East-West Highway any more than we need an Interstate north of Houlton.  It won’t get enough use to justify the expense.

      • ChuckGG

         There must be some studies showing the amount of trade/traffic to/from the Maritimes to Quebec, Montreal, and Canada’s largest city, Toronto.  If Canada were not involved in this, I would agree with you, but we are right smack in the middle of their path to/from the Atlantic.  I think there would be a ton of business.

        • Anonymous

          There must be some studies showing the amount of trade/traffic to/from the Maritimes to Quebec,  ”
          Try the Canadian National Railroad Annual Corporate Report

          • Anonymous

            The largest city in Maritime Canada is slightly larger than Worcester, MA.

            When was the last time you wanted a more direct route to Worcester??

        • Anonymous

          What kind of business?  Wouldn’t canadian shippers just use the highway as a faster route from St. John and Nova Scotia to Montreal and points west—how does that help Maine?  Do you foresee businesses in Calais, Skowhegan ect shipping goods to Canada—I don’t–the Canadians already have plenty of paper mills, lumber, and lobster.

      • Anonymous

        Are you kidding.  We have needed this road for many years.  In my opinion we should have this highway plus one going  from The Calais Border Crossing  going west to New Hampshire.  It would cut travel time down significantly .  It would also get even more trucks off of rural roads , it would be a economic boon for the economy North of Augusta which has been stuck in the dark ages.   The Liberals are too worried about protecting the environment instead of helping people who need jobs.   I say stop dragging feet and approve this highway get construction going,  while planning the 2nd one from The Border Crossing in Eastern Maine to New Hampshire.  We need the jobs, the improvements to our infrastructure and the economic growth these EAST-WEST highways bring.

        • Anonymous

          Where in northern New Hampshire are all those people supposedly going?

          • Anonymous

            Who says the East-West Highway starting at the Calais Border Crossing would end up in Northern New Hampshire.  I would like to see it start in Calais (near the Border Crossing) and go west all the way to and through Fryeburg into New Hampshire.  This road was part of  the old I- 92 proposal from the 70’s that would go from Calais and end up in the Glens Falls, New York area.  The fact is Liberals always want to balk at the opportunity to create jobs in the 2nd District.  If it isn’t that stupid  Park they talk about  or some stupid Land Buy that uses Taxpayer money (sound familiar) to stop people from using that land it’s a non-starter.  They will find every excuse to find something wrong with it.  Just like this stupid group now is doing.  Gov. LePage and the DOT has the final say if they see a huge need for it. They will do everything including taking land by eminent domain for this which is legal they will do it.   Every Maine politician local, statewide office, congressmen/senators have talked about the need for 1 to 2 east-west highways and how it will help Maine’s economy.  How it will improve getting our trucks off these rural roads in the 2nd district.  How it would be the start of improving infrastructure in those rural areas, the job and economic growth that will come from building this road.  I know Liberals would rather see us continue to have nothing here in the 2nd District they would rather see everyone gone so they can have their park by default.  Not going to happen I see this highway finally getting built with in the next year or 2.  With Vigue and Doug Thomas leading the way it is likely finally coming to reality.

          • Anonymous

            Some liberals and others may-be, too, just want to know where this road is supposed go and why ? 

            Should answers to those two simple question cost $300, 000, now  ? 

            So once you decide where and why among yourselves,
            get back to us.

          • poormaniac

            I think it should include the portion of I 95 from Newport to Bangor since it seems to run east-west anyway !

          • Anonymous

            Can you please can the anti-liberal BS for a while?? It’s very old, tired and very narrow-minded. I love how you think it’s a positive for LePage to take it with eminent domain. That sounds like big government attacking private property rights…. hmm, isn’t that what you conservatives always claim the liberals are doing??

            Your hypocrisy is over the top. I’m all for intelligent dialogue with anyone, liberal or conservative or reptile, whatever – but the constant negativity spewed from the right and people like yourself is incredibly counter-productive.

          • poormaniac

            If you were really open minded you’d see that this trash talk spews from both sides !

          • Anonymous

            The “we aren’t really that much worse” argument, again ? 

          • poormaniac

            I’m ” independent” for a reason !

          • Anonymous

            Not necessarily to northern NH Scott, but the new road could connect in Concord, NH as I93 continues to northern NH. 

          • Anonymous

            The Northern Kingdom ? 

          • Joe

            Santa’s Village & Story Land !

          • Anonymous

            Dont forget Six Gun City !

          • Anonymous

            The White and Green  Mountains, Montreal…it is also linked to a route that takes one through upstate New York.

          • poormaniac

            L.L. Cote’s

        • Anonymous

          I’m a liberal and I am for this highway as many of my friends are for it. Please stop generalizing or making assumptions about the people that you label.

      • Anonymous

        Try making some sense here. Maine has needed a east-west highway for a long time, more importantly the economic boost would be tremendous, far above what your national park would bring. I am little tired of seeing for decades the money spent that on projects everyplace else but northern Maine. Maybe this project threatens your national park support as as being the best economical choice northern Maine has. And as far as being a “private toll highway,” it would have to incorporate many miles of existing public roadway. If  private entity wants to build it and charge a toll for their portion of the road, let them have at it.

        • Anonymous

          “Maine has needed a east-west highway for a long time”

          Now, that crossing the boarder is getting harder and harder is the right time, then ? 

          • Anonymous

            First of all,  you assume every trip has to have a border crossing-NOT.

            Second, people cross the border every day, especially for business.

            Third-ever spend time with airport security? Travel is tough all over.

          • Anonymous

            Going from where to where ?
            You can’t even decide where the road goes because you are imagining a need to fit your boondoggle. 

      • Anonymous

        EXACTLY ! And that one highway wont pull maine out of the downward spiral its in if it took 10 years to build !

    •  I think the highway is a great idea…mostly because my land is needed to build it : ) but I must agree I had the same thought. Cianbro can certainly afford to pay for a study. Funny but aren’t they currently shipping generator modules to Canada for the shale oil boom ? Hmmmm…..

    • Anonymous

      Cianbro should fork over the money because they are the ones that want to operate the toll booths on it ! Calais to coburn gore , use to drive trucks in Maine and out of Maine and never did i ever have to take that route , for any load ! If you watch the truck traffic coming up Rte 9 from Canada it usually hits Bangor and then proceeds south on I-95, then you have very few trucks that load in Maine that leave the state via Rte 2. Mostly log trucks running Rte 2 to jay and rumford ! We have a nice east -west highway that makes more sense than the proposed one , Calais to New Hampshire via Rte 9 Then pick up Rte 2 in Bangor ! With no toll booths , Oh, maybe thats the problem! Lets take the feasability study money and put it into rte 2 repair !

      • Anonymous

         I agree.  We have lived in Calais since 1976; in that time Route 9 has become a decent road.  It Route 2 were upgraded in the same way, it would suffice.

      • Anonymous

        Which 1/4 mile of rt.2 would you like repaired for the $300k?

        • Anonymous

          The part thats in front of my driveway ! That would be a good start !

  • Anonymous

    Build  baby Build,

    • Anonymous

      Why do we need a new road from someplace (to named at a later date) in the West 
      to  someplace (to named at a later date) in the East ?

      • Anonymous

        Why do we need Liberalism so we can keep the Economy in the 2nd District stuck in the dark ages.  Just because you don’t like doesn’t mean the rest of us want to not move Maine forward.  Even Angus King and Baldacci talked about having East-West Highways and the much needed economic growth they bring.
         Liberals care about protecting stupid trees, birds noone has ever even heard of.
        They talk about infrastructure, jobs etc. but don’t do anything to create any jobs here in Maine.   It is time for the Liberals to get out of the way of progress.  We need the jobs, the growth, the prosperity that Cianbro wants to bring to Maine.  Peter Vigue has the vision to help move Maine foward into the 21st century.  Too bad we don’t have more folks like him in Augusta.

        • Anonymous

          “Why do we need Liberalism”

          Okay, you have a great point.
          I’m a liberal and I don’t get the need.
          Did you explain it ?

          It is all just more Big Government money.
          What happened to balancing the budget ?
          Whose taxes will YOU raise to build it ?

          • Guest

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          • Anonymous

            Well I don’t see the need for the National Park you Libs are ramming down Maine people’s throats. The same park now which has towns like Medway now running away from it.
             I find it funny buffoons like Emily Cain keeps talking about roads and bridges now but where were they when we are hitting bumps, huge pot holes all the time.  Just like these ugly dingy dirty welfare crowd in Augusta  protesting not needing this road.  Could it be a sign  if this road is built and things were to start to turn around in the 2nd District they may start losing their welfare handouts heaven forbid.  That is what these Liberals are afraid of a new highway that would cut travel time down, save fuel, save travel costs for businesses which would lead to more jobs.  Liberals think having more jobs and less people on welfare is oh so bad.  They would have us hug trees  and worry about birds and bugs nobody could give a hoot about.  This road will be built because LePage and the DOT will have the final say.  I expect you will see the first shovel and backhoe digging into the ground later this year or early next year.

          • Anonymous

            Well I’m a so called liberal that lives in dieing Washington County. I also drove truck for over 30 years and I’m old enough to have traveled much of this country before and after the interstate highway system was built. The key for economic prosperity in any area of the country was transportation infrastructure. That has been true for over 150 years. Downeast and western Maine are and have been in dire straights due to their lack a good limited access 4 lane modern highway.

            Washington County has the deepest water port east of the Mexican border with Texas yet is cut off by over 100 miles of 1940’s quality highway system and no Rail Road.

            We don’t need another feasability study. We don’t need a study to find the need. What we do need is for the US government to build the highway that virtually everybody with an ounce of common sense knows we need.

        • Anonymous

          You generalize too much.
          I am a  “liberal” and I am 100% for this project
          and have been for 15 years.
          I have written many letters to the state legislature to express my support.
          How many letters have YOU written Mr. “conservative”?

          • Anonymous

            I’ve always had questions about who the east-west highway would benefit.   It  seems to be building a road from Washington County, where few people live and where there are no major markets to Coburn Gore on the Quebec border where even fewer people live and there are no markets.  It seems that the people who would benefit would be canadians who would have a quicker route from PQ to southern New Brunswick and Nova Scotia.  Aside from the construction jobs, who else would benefit?  And who would pay for it? Obama has been pushing infrastructure, RR and highway, improvements since he has been in office but he can’t get Congress to cough up the money—some pesky arguement about a budget deficit—so who is going to pay for this?  Last time it was mentioned, Cianbro and Vigue were talking about a toll highway—are they willing to underwrite the construction costs and recoup their expenses (with an added profit) out of the toll receipts.  If so, how long would it take (given the fact that this is not a populated area)?

          • Anonymous

            First off I am not a conservative. I am an Independent who supports the ideas coming from Republicans.  Funny Liberals always claim they are for Infrastructure.  They raise our taxes, gas taxes, borrow hundreds of millions of dollars for roads and bridges.  But where did the money go it didn’t go to Maine DOT or the Maine Turnpike Authority.  It went to WELFARE INSTEAD!!!.  So the Libs need to stop claiming they are for jobs or infrastructure because they are not and their record shows they are not.  They are Welfare Party with Socialism and the Nanny State going very strong.

          • Your “Independant” ?

            I’m Santa Claus!

        • Anonymous

          And by the way, it is your conservative friends in Washington

          who have been fiercely fighting ANY spending on infrastructure.

          Instead of ranting against “liberals” why don’t you stop watching Fox News

          for a few minutes and contact your Republican buddies 

          and tell them you’d like them to spend some money up here in Maine?

          When they refuse, would you be open minded enough to criticize your

          conservative pals?

          • He cant stop!

            Its hardwired to him!

            LOL

          • Anonymous

            No it’s ok for you wanting us to fork over more money to keep people who are too lazy to work on Welfare . As you have stated numerous times on here.  But something that actually does something good that creates jobs, cuts travel time, fuel costs, shipping costs, that connects us to Quebec, New Brunswick , Canada.  Liberals like yourself would attack LePage and the people who support it.  Well to take your words and spin them back at you.  How about paying your taxes and forking over money more for this road. Because the need for this road is more important than having everyone on Government Welfare.

          • Anonymous

            Not just in Washington. Florida Republicans turned down federal money for a high-speed rail line between Tampa and Orlando that would have done much to alleviate traffic congestion in that corridor and create jobs. Wisconsin Republicans turned down federal dollars for a similar project. We don’t ALL have to drive cars. Yet Republicans seem not to be open to alternatives. Certainly we need highways, but a mixed-use transportation picture makes the most sense for the future.

        • Guest

          The goal of all Democrats and Liberals is to promote poverty by stopping progress either through regulation, environmentalism or excessive union labor costs.  The Libs and Dems must have poverty as this is their largest constituency and industry.

          • pbmann

            Hmm, kind of like the poorest states in the country are solidly red states and the richer states in the country are solidly blue states. 

            How come Republican run states are ‘welfare’ states (they get more money from the Federal Gov’t then they pay in) and Democratic run states get less fromt eh Federal Gov’t then they pay in?

          • Anonymous

            Really is that why Red States are in the top 10 ecnomically, states like North Dakota and Utah have massive job growth and huge surpluses, have less folks on Welfare.  While Maine is at the bottom of the barrel in everything.  Maine has some of the worst infrastructure in the country with no East-West Interstate Highway.  The 2nd Congressional District North of Augusta considered to be one of the poorest congressional districts in the country.
            With  everyone jumping on the Welfare Wagon going to Augusta with their hands put out wanting more freebies.  Go back to drinking that Liberal Kool-Aid that Cynthia Dill, Justin Alfond, Emily Cain, John Martin all pass out.  Let’s let people like Pete Vigue & Doug Thomas who care about Maine and have vision get the 2nd Districts economy going and put Maine onto a better path do their jobs.

          • pbmann

            North Dakota’s job growth is because of the oil boom, Utah receives a lot of income from mining neither of which has anything to do with Republican leadership but that is not what my original post said.  I said that Republican controlled states on average receive more from the Federal Government then they pay in to the Federal Government and I stand by that statement.

            In the past 20 years 9 of the 10 states that paid in the most to the Federal Government but received the least back were states run/voted by/for Democrats.  Eight of the ten states that received more from the federal Government then they paid in were lead/voted by/for Republicans  http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2011/08/americas-fiscal-union

            In 2004, 9 of the 10 states that recieved more Federal money then they paid in voted Republican in the 2000 and 2004 elections.  http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2004/09/red_states_feed.html

            AND this site has a nice pretty graph that points this out.  http://visualeconomics.creditloan.com/united-states-federal-tax-dollars/

          • pbmann

            Nine of the  ten poorest states are solid Republican states.  They are NC, AL, KY, SC, MT, LA, WV, TN, AR and MS.  Six of the richest states are solid Democratic states,  They are HI,CO, UT, MA, VA, AK, MD, NJ, CN and NH.

            http://247wallst.com/2011/09/14/americas-poorest-states/2/

          • Scot Walkers Radical Right Plan for Wisconsin neted the worst job growth in the Nation!
             
            6 consequetive months of job losses!
            http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/promises/walk-o-meter/promise/526/create-250000-new-jobs/

          • Anonymous

            Once again, it is the Republicans in Washington who are against
            ANY money being spent on infrastructure projects like this.

            You, like so many conservatives, are so blinded by your hatred for
            what you perceive as “liberals” that you can’t even be objective when it
            comes to issues that are of concern to you.

            Again, I suggest that instead of ranting against liberals, you do something that is actually supportive of your own views. 

            Sit down and write the Republicans in Washington that one of their own (that’s you) would be in favor of them spending money for an east west highway in Maine.

            When they refuse, like they have refused EVERY infrastructure initiative, would
            you then have the guts to criticize your own?

          • Anonymous

            Wow, you’re so right.  I can see that you are a scholar of the higest order!

            You do realize, though, that nobody listens to cheap swipes and drive-by nonsense.  So whay are you wasting your time?

        • Anonymous

          @ darkcat33   Forgive my scepticism because you call yourself a conservative, yet you sound like a good ol’ rural socialist wanting to spend other people’s money.   Why are you advocating having public money spent on 300 miles of new highway that we will have to pay to buy the land, build the highway, maintain and plow it, police it, provide fire and ambulance services for it, etc.?   All highways cost the taxpayer money – show me one that doesn’t and I’ll show you a bridge for sale up at the north pole.   But we already have an existing alternative for this corridor – a privately owned east-west rail line that goes across that section of the state, connecting Vanceboro with Montreal.   It’s been there for 120 years or more now.   Just build a truck to rail terminal out on the I-95 near Mattawamkeag where the tracks cross the highway.  Throw all of these trucks on the trains.   There’s your east west highway at little to no cost to the taxpayer of today, nor to my grandchildren and great grandchildren.

          • poormaniac

            Could you tell me please just where would this route be to come up with 300 miles from east to west as you stated.

          • Anonymous

            200 miles from Calais across the state to either Coburn Gore ME or Colebrook NH (via Bangor) but the plans in the past called for this road to keep going right across Vermont to Plattsburgh NY which is 300 mi as the crow flies.  It’s a pie in the sky dream to support big name property developers that I don’t want my tax dollars going into.  Cheapest thing to do is make those trucks use the existing rail line instead.

        • Anonymous

           Liberalism is a philosophy committed to the ideal of limited government
          and liberty of individuals including freedom of religion, speech, press,
          assembly, and free markets.

          • Anonymous

            Don’t confuse Liberalism and Libertartianism… however they are much more closely aligned than the big parties would like you to think.

        • Guest

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          • Anonymous

            Your going to see alot more of me on here.  I changed my work schedule work the same amount of hours but less days total.   To you Liberals that is going to be a bad thing.

        • Guest

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          • Anonymous

            How is a private funded Turnpike style highway going to help Vigue’s pocket (Rolls Eyes).  With your views we will never move into the 21st century , grow jobs and our economy.  We will have Welfare Bums who refuse to work and enviros controlling the agenda.  Time for the opposition to get out of the way. The Liberals (Democrats) have a warped view they claim they want jobs but anything that creates them they say No to it.  They then jump on the side of the Environmentalists and other Liberal Groups who have lived off of Maine Taxpayers for years wanting to protect trees, bugs, stupid birds nobody cares about.  The Democrats were kicked out for a reason they are obstructionists, job killers.  They are good at blowing hot air and spewing far left wing nonsense that only their base cares about.

          • Guest

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          • And he huffed and he puffed and the “Brick House” wouldn’t fall down!

          • Guest

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      • Anonymous

        To make you ask stupid questions.

      • Anonymous

        The east west highway is the perfect conduit, and midway point, for Canadian auto travel from Ottawa and Montreal to the Maritimes.  It would also act as a “fence” to Maine’s big 3.2 Million acre National Park.

        • Anonymous

          What Park?

        • Anonymous

          The Golden Road could do both.

    • Anonymous

      Yes, lets try to become New Jersey as fast as we can!

      • Anonymous

        How much of New Jersey are you familiar with? Have you ever been anywhere but the Turnpike?

        • Anonymous

          Actually quite a lot – I use to live not too far over the NJ / NY Line in Orange County, NY.

          But yeah, I get it… not all of Jersey is that bad.  Using it as more of an illustration than anything.  Unfair, I know.

          • Anonymous

            The chances of Washington County or Piscataquis County turning into anything similar to the northern end of the Jersey tpk. is slim to none. It would however open up some opportunity for a manufacturer that doesn’t feel the need to be in the NYC metro zone, but needs to have good transportation connections. It would help the port of Easport also, which is not being ugtilized to near it’s full potential. Due mostly to the affore mentioned lack of infrastructure.

  • ChuckGG

    Interestingly, The proposed roadway includes a number of existing roadways plus some new road. It also closely follows an existing rail line that has limited use. The railway at one time had passenger service back when I was a kid.

    Here is the deal: Maine is both blessed and cursed by its geography. If you look at USA-only business, Maine is at the end-of-the-line. The proposed roadway and its interconnection with the rail system at Brownsville Junction makes for a nice inter-modal system. Bangor Jetport is nearby. It, too, could benefit. You end up connecting roadway, rail, air, and sea ports with this proposal.

    Right now, truckers coming from points West of Toronto, through Montreal, and Quebec, all head up over the top of the State of Maine as the roads are better and there is not all the Customs hassle to go through, but it takes many hours longer. The goal is to get to the Maritime provinces and their seaports. The reverse is true, as well. From the Maritime provinces, it is mostly a straight shot through Maine to the large markets of Quebec, Montreal, and Toronto. Maine then would be not at the end-of-the-line but in the middle and that bodes well for business all along the way.

    I am sure the border crossing inspections for shipments can be pre-screened and sealed at each end and the truckers can high-ball it through the State.

    In a State where unemployment is high, especially in the proposed roadway areas in the north, this would be a great asset to the State and to the Canadians. And, really, it would be returning somewhat to what we had in the 1960’s and earlier – train/rail crossing the top of the State. This would have minimal impact on the State as many of the roadways already exist and just need to be upgraded. I cannot see how any of this could be a bad thing for the State of Maine.

    • Anonymous

      How do we become the Southern most of the  Maritimes 
      so we can get the socialists in Ottawa to pay for it ?

      • ChuckGG

         Pass Marriage Equality.  I think then they will believe Maine is no longer “Mississippi North.”

        • poormaniac

          Great idea , impose a fee on gay partnerships to pay for the road !

          • ChuckGG

             As soon as a fee on straight divorces and sexually abusive priests is levied – that should pay for our mag-lev train I have been hoping for.

          • poormaniac

            I’d go for that also.

      • hey-I’m-your-man

        Canadians have ALREADY done their part – just look at the great hwy system they have in comparison to what we have going east from Calais to New Hampshire. What we have is a disgrace. Have you even been to Canada? Let alone Ottawa. Have you even travelled accross Canada and the US to compare what we have?

        America needs to focus on their roads just as Canada has – and no US money has gone to build the Canadian road – so please STOP with your rediculous statements and don’t voice your ignorant thoughts.

        • Anonymous

          Have you ever driven from Coburn Gore, the prosposed western teminus of the east west highway, to Sherbrook Quebec, the closest point to pick up the Trans canada?  I’ve gone over that road at least 20 times in the past 15 years. It is over 60 miles of back roads, reminds me of the most isolated, least repaired stretches of Aroostook and Washington Counties–in order to make an east west highway work, Canada would have to build a connector highway—I doubt that is going to happen

      • hey-I’m-your-man

        Do you even know what a Socialist is? Pls define –

        • Anonymous

           It is National health care.   

          • hey-I’m-your-man

            I am sorry – that is somewhat Socialist thinking – but Canada is far from a Socialist country. I doubt that you even know about the Canadian Healthcare system.  Anyways its a shame that you can’t use the word correctly when talking about Canada.
            So again I ask – pls stop showing people how ignarant you are.

          • Anonymous

            “Anyways its a shame that you can’t use the word correctly”

            ROTFLOL 

          •  I love the Canadian Health Care System. It has keep Aroostook County afloat for years. All those Canadains who love their healthcare system coming over here to shop to avoid the taxes that pay for it.

        • poormaniac

          Obama

    • Anonymous

      The St. Lawrence Seaway is navigable for large ships all the way to Duluth, MN.  Shipping by ship is cheaper than by truck.  So your ports argument is invalid.

      The largest city in Atlantic Canada is roughly the size of Worcester, MA.  So your dreams of continuous truck traffic are delusional. 

      • Anonymous

        We need ports and ships, not roads to nowhere .

  • Anonymous

    So do I have this right ? 
    Instead of people saying we need a road from here to there, because….,  
    …. we have a construction company wanting the State to spend $300,000 
    on a study to find someplace to build a road ( on whose land) for ….
    … ah, ….that is the rub …. for what ? 

    I fear being called unreasonable, because so many proponents seem to just know why it is needed, but they can never really just say; what is the reason, the purpose, the NEED that this new highway will fill, exactly ?

    Can someone just explain to us in words that even a LePage supporter could understand,
    why do we need a new road from someplace (to named at a later date) in the West
    to someplace (to named at a later date) in the East ?

    • Anonymous

      To get goods to New York easier

      • Anonymous

        That’s to the South of here, and we already have the Atlantic Ocean, 
        not to mention the Cod Cod  Channel for that. 

        I’d like to think of them as a under utilized transportation resource.  
        But Cianbro, knows all about that:  

        Modules loaded onto barge at Cianbro facility in Brewer — Business …bangordailynews.com/…/modules-loaded-onto-barge-at-cianbro-facil…
        1 Feb 2012

        • Anonymous

          What about up state New York ?

          • Anonymous

            What pressing need exists to move goods to upstate New York? That area is fairly sleepy, Buffalo is turning into another Detroit, and Rochester is no boom town.

          • Anonymous

            What pressing need exists to move goods to upstate New York?
            Oxi ? 

          • Anonymous

            The Hudson River.

          • Anonymous

            And the St. Lawrwence Seaway

  • I’ll bet Doug Thomas couldn’t find his way to New Hampshire!

  • Anonymous

    There is a rail line that runs thru maine. Why not utilize the railway and haul any freight that needs to be moved into or out of the maritimes
    The taxpayers ( state or federal )  just can`t afford a road from nowhere to nowhere
    If this was going thru the state park or Allegash then the people would be up in arms
    Why ruin the the natural woodlands when the railway is so available. 

    • Anonymous

      Shipping via freight liner is much cheaper for smaller businesses and shipping companies like UPS/Fedex.

      • Anonymous

        Interstate 95 ends in Houlton and if any road needs to be finished it should be that road to Madawaska and Ft. Kent.
        At least then it would be serving the people that reside in Maine
        The infrastruture in Maine roads needs to come up to par before building another road

    • Anonymous

      That’s own by a railroad in Canada

      • Anonymous

        MMA Railway is owned by U.S investors

        • Anonymous

          Operated by Canadians, for the benefit for Canadian company’s. We bought it and we maintain it.

    • Anonymous

      Don’t forget the St. Lawrence Seaway.

  • Anonymous

    It’s about time some brains showed up in Augusta. In East-West Highways time has come.  And while they’re talking about that. How about talking about bringing back Dicky-Lincoln, in Northwest Maine. This would give Maine much-needed solutions for its biggest problems.

  • Anonymous

    ” Many studies have been conducted in the past, but the project has languished over reticence in the public and private sector to make such a big investment”

     So, how about we just DO IT

    • Anonymous

      Why, again ? 
      As a favor to whom ? 

    • Anonymous

      Right, because the investment would not pay off.  Have you been to Maritime Canada?  Is is not a densely populated area?  Most of  its “big cities” – St. John, Charlottetown, St. John’s, Moncton – are not much different than Bangor in terms of size, industry, or market.  Halifax, their “economic powerhouse” is barely larger than Worcester, MA.

      The reson this has never happened is that it makes no economic sense!

  • Jon Harris

    Rail is only efficient for bulk materials (gravel, coal, grain), and in many cases still needs the trucking industry to actually get the material to the end user from the rail terminal. Rail is a 19th century technology that has the extreme limitation of track location. There is nothing to say that trucks will not become more efficient as fuel costs rise. Rail has a place, but not for this application.

    • ChuckGG

       Quite right.  Rail has its place and it is very efficient.  But, we need the inter-modal system for that “first/last mile” scenario.  With this roadway running by Bangor Int’l and the port cities on the Canadian side, that’s a lot of business.

  • Anonymous

    This would be a great deal for our Canadian neighbors. Maine would fund the study to potentially give Canadians access fromthe Maritimes to Ottawa on a tank of Canadian gas. That is wonderful news for Maine residents. Also, the state of Maine would be bisected by a 150 foot asphalt ribbon restricting our access to the northern portions of our state. This Canadian Highway would be of little benefit to the people of this state and would only profit o’Canada and a few Maine polititians.

    • hey-I’m-your-man

      Are you for real? Have you ever been to Canada, or even travelled the Calais/Bangor then Newport to Toronto road? Are you for real?

      Please keep your ignorant comments to yourself – It would be a huge benefit to Maine and belive me – you need more then 1 tank of gas to go from Calais to the Maine/NH border. Even if the Canadian gas is far better then what we process.

      By the way this would NOT be a Canadian Hwy – its built in the US, with US money.

      • “its built in the US, with US money”  … for the Canadians

        • Anonymous

          Exactumundo, Mi amigo.

      • Anonymous

        Hey Bud,  This place I live in is called the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA and I will continue to express my opinion as long as we have a CONSTITUTION which protects my right to answer your comment. GOT IT??????

        • hey-I’m-your-man

          Sorry my name is not bud, just like you name is not id_ot, but you sure acting like one.

          • Anonymous

            Sorry Himan, I have trubble spellin. Look, this east west highway wouln’t make the state a dime. The Airline is a great road for travelling east to west.

          • hey-I’m-your-man

            Take a trip on the airline then come take a trip from St Stephen Halifax, NS. Then talk!

  • Anonymous

    The East-West road may or may not be a good idea.  What is striking is that the GOP — at the state and national level — preach endlessly  about getting the government out of the market.  But they really only mean this for projects they do not like.  For the ones they do like, taxpayer money always seems to be available.

    • I think you have caught on!

         Republicans are fiercely fighting rebuilding the infrastucture yet they want the public to pay for a feasibility study for a PRIVATE company to build a PRIVATE for profit toll road?

      This is more of the same Republican Crony Capitalist Scheme  —–Privatise Profits and Socialise losses!

      The Federal Government and the Federal Government only should be in control of a RD designed for Interstate Commerce as allowed by the Constitution.

      Actually this Rd would be for intraCountry Commerce!

      Congress has the right to regulate Interstate Commerce and Build Rds for commerce.

      CIANBRO needs to stay out of this unless they are bidding on the job!

      • Anonymous

        It’s ok for Liberal Governors  like King and Baldacci to take our tax money to give to Environmentalists for them to buy land . So they can restrict access to long time Maine citizen’s and its ok for them to get money and not this road.  Something most Mainers want they want this road badly.  Well $300,000 dollars to start the process of getting jobs and economic growth to the 2nd district is a good investment.  They should get the process going building the infrastructure in that district.  So to start the process of   creating thousands of jobs and helping to get businesses to come to the district.  We know you would rather see the status quo remain with Maine being a Welfare Haven and the 2nd District stuck in the 19th century with more people leaving.   The Liberals don’t care about jobs period.  All they care about is being  in power and more welfare.

        • Wake Up!

            Its your Conservative Tea Party Brethren in Washington who have Voted adimantly not to spend taxpayer Money on Infrastructure!

          It is your “liberal” Enemy Obama who proposed spending on infrastructure.!

          This would be a Federal Rd. because of the InterState commerce.

          The Republicans in congress have put the Hex on Spending but now local republicans want the Government to do a Study for “Private “concerns to create a Private Toll Highway!

          This would be public money supporting private enterprise!

          You cant get any more crooked than that!

      • poormaniac

        Stop it for God’s sake , the liberals want the governmet to pay for a study for a park. How about putting ALL the people of the state of Maine’s interest first instead of party politics.

    • Anonymous

      “What is striking is that the GOP — at the state and national level — preach endlessly  about getting the government out of the market.  But they really only mean this for projects they do not like.  
      For the ones they do like, taxpayer money always seems to be available.”

      That is worth saying again. 

      So what about balancing the budget ? 
      How can you build it without raising SOMEONE’S taxes 
      when it is going to cost $300,000 just to study it ?

  • It’s a great idea but you don’t want the feds involved. TRUST ME! They will put on more restrictions, peddle more influence, and drag the job so long the Pope will be a Muslim by the time the job is complete.

    (sorry bout the Muslim crack… but you get the point)

  • Anonymous

    Infrastructure improvement and new construction is a key factor along with several others in order to improve economics. It is apparent that somebody has done a study somewhere, and if not I am sure there are capable minds in our state, and not in state government that could evolve such a study. Mr. Vigue if this idea is feasible then the answer to your plan is to think outside of the state government box and look outside of our state government box when seeking financing. I am not saying down with Mr. Vigue, but I am saying relying on our state government at every turn needs to end. After a study, if this idea still floats then I am sure Mr. Vigue knows how to ride the wave making money for every mile of road laid, and getting his name put on it to boot. On another note those with an interest along this proposed route are stakeholders and like it or not they too can benefit or lose. I think Mr. Vigue needs to start visiting these people to see what they think and explore gaining support including monetary instead of taking the easy finance route and driving it down these stakeholders’ throats by way of bureaucracy.

  • Anonymous

    If Cainbro wants it, let’em pay for the study and build it.  If this is to be a privately owned/operated toll road, why should tax payers foot any of the bill?  Are they going to grant Maine residents toll-free access if we foot the bill for the feasibility study?  No?  Didn’t think so.

    • Anonymous

      Privately owned infrastructure is just wrong for many reasons. Think about it.

      •  You may be right, but the current trend is to privatize roads. The Indiana Turnpike is privately owned for example. I’m with you it is not a good idea with some exceptions like the private roads in the woods paper companies build, but a main highway shouldn’t be private.

        • Anonymous

          The current trend is to privatize everything….  and we can see how that is going.

  • Brian Howard

    The highway may not be needed or used by some, but the majority of those on either side of our borders would use the highway.  All businesses along the highway would benefit.  Just look at the influx of Canadian shoppers in the Bangor Area.  Are you folks so short sighted to not believe that there would be more if they could make it here in 1/2 the time?  “VACATIONLAND”.  Let’s give those at our perimeter an easy way to “Vacation”.  The services industry is very important in Maine, and a highway through the back country will not harm anyone.  Those “tree huggers” who claim this will damage the wildlife may have a point, but I know better.  This project will have to be permitted, and any type of road construction/reconstruction in the state of Maine requires what is called “Wetland Mitigation”.  My company has done many of these projects.  The rule of thumb is, whatever size wetland area is relocated, one 6-7 times larger is constructed for conservation.  This includes wetland plantings, animal habitat, and protection areas.  Another aspect that the close minded liberals “mouthing off” here forget is that Pete is proposing a power transmission line be put through.  What will this do?  This will bring more competition for electricity to the state.  The state of Maine pays much higher utilities than many states in the union.  The entire manufacturing base that was lost in Maine is dependent on Electricity.  What could happen if we bring in more electricity competition?  Maybe some manufaturing facilities would return.  With a highway direct to Quebec, that is a big market. 

    Bottom line:  Paid by private investors, built almost entirely on paper company land, minimal out of pocket for Maine families, and endless possiblilites for the half of Maine that really needs some help. 

    Keep pushing Doug and Pete. 

    • hey-I’m-your-man

      I agree!

  • Anonymous

    No doubt it is needed but the financing should come in part from New Brunswick and Maine business sectors that will be most affected positively by the construction.The rest from federal and state monies.

    • Anonymous

      Big Government ? 

    • Anonymous

      I doubt that it is needed!  Maritime Canada is not very industrialized or populous.

      • Anonymous

        One of the largest if not the largest trucking companies in Canada is Stationed out of Hartland NB, a few miles from Houlton. McCain frozen foods is the largest frozen food packer in Canada. The amount of sea food shipped from NB is staggering. Then we have lumber productgs, as NB again is one of Canada’s largest suppliers of forest products. No NB would relish an east west highway system through Maine.

  • Anonymous

    How about finishing the existing Interstate all the way to Fort Kent and help out Northern Maine instead of Canada? Beleive it or not there are thousands of people in the County that have to travel 4 to 5 hours just to get to Bangor.

  • Anonymous

    Where is Paul, Tanning?

  • Anonymous

    Uncle Pete has some good points, but Cianbro should not get a contract.

  • Anonymous

    the state can`t afford the roads we have now
    the rail road divides the state noe from quebec to new brunswick
    let them ship things on rail or?

  • Anonymous

    Augusta hasn’t done anything else… Might as well have them approve a “Bridge to Nowhere”!

  • Anonymous

    The romans were successful because they invested in their roads and transportation, we should do the same.

    • Anonymous

      The age Imperialism is over. 

      …  and I’m Spartacus.  

      • Anonymous

        I’m actually pretty upset that guy from spartacus died, he was going to be great on the show

  • Anonymous

    the state can’t maintain the roads we have now,the funds would be better used to take care of what we have not add to something already broke

  • Jazz11

    So let me get this right. Some wealthy persons wanting to build a toll road so they can collect billions of dollars want us to pay for a study to the tune of 300K so they can further enrich themselves. All the while we are forcing elderly and single persons in care homes off their health care.

  • Downeasta

    Yup, Augusta doesnt have the money to make budget, yet has 300 grand for a study.  Did I miss something?

    Impeach LePage, his priorities are not adding up.

  • Anonymous

    If you build it, they will come…  We should look at this.  Also, while not a fan of Uncle Pete, at least he is looking at ways to keep his company working.  

  • Anonymous

    I’m just thankful that I-95 is already built. Of course, it was built back when we could do things. Even if we were ready to build, it’d be preceded by years of permitting fights. Millions would be spent fighting over the route (395 extension, anyone?).
    Most of the arguments against this could have been used regarding the construction of I-95. Aren’t we glad that people weren’t as smart back then?
    The railroad in Maine is against it? That’s a shocker. They slow the trains down instead of maintaining tracks & wonder why businesses prefer to ship by truck. Yea, let’s leave it up to them to decide our future. Good plan.

    • Anonymous

      For a train to go from  Waterville to Portland takes at least 8 hrs. do to the tracks .

  • Anonymous

    Upgrade the railroad, and put money into existing infrastructure. The idea of a privately owned and operated toll highway is not a good idea. Would you give a private corporation to declare eminent domain to build it? Would they have their own private police force?  It’s just not in the publics best interest. All it does is give away rights to a corporate entity for profits. Of course Ciambro is for it.

    • Anonymous

      But first you need to get the people to use the railroad . Next what the cost to need people to hall goods to a railroad siding unload the goods put them in the boxcar ect . Now on the other end they need people to unload the goods an hall them to there companies . Were companies can load the trucks right at plane an deliver the goods right to the company .

  • Anonymous

    Only a handful of people will benefit from this and the main ones to benefit are the ones pushing hardest for it.  I have seen this before in another State, the ones pushing for it called it progress and convinced everyone it was needed and how they would benefit from it!   Too late the people realize what a mistake it was but have been paying for it ever since!  In the end it was costly, was not needed, was not beautiful and for most it was not wanted!!!!!

  • Anonymous

    We already have a train track, we need to use that.  I do not want an east west highway!  This will cost more than it will make. The Government will also have to build two new Border crossings, and the last two cost over 25 million each!!!!! We don’t have the money. Think about our Country as a whole, not only your pocketbook.

  • Anonymous

    won’t this cut pollution for the Canadian trucks that either go up and over Maine, or take winding local roads?  It will cut time and distance from all these truck routes, which saves money, fossil fuels, and pollutes less. It also gets them off local roads, so it has a huge safety benefit.

    After all,  this road is primarily going to be used by Canadian trucks (and in turn they will pay the majority of the tolls, essentially giving Maine a highway)

    I should mention that I am a “liberal” and an environmentalist, but even I see the need for a modern transportation infrastructure in Northern Maine that includes rail and highway.

    • Anonymous

      The thing is that the demand isn’t really there, even though it seems like it should be.  Truth is, not al lthat much stuff does or ever will move over the road from Maritime Canada to Tornoto/ Montreal.

      That is bceause the Maritimes are not heavily industrialized and are about as popuous as Maine.  This road would be like a pipe connected at only one end!

      I would not expect long-haul truck traffic to grow much along this route if it were built – as there is already canadian national railway and the St. Lawrence Seaway – two much more efficient and economically feasible options.

      • Anonymous

        Halifax is a HUGE shipping port for Canada, and Maine is between Halifax and most of the Canadian population.

        • Anonymous

          No, actually it is not huge at all.

          10.7  million metric tons moved through Halifax in 2008.

          That is roughly on-par with such bustling seaports as New Haven, CT and Gary, In.

          Portland (ME) did almost double the freight landings that Halifax did, for a town less than half the size.

          • Anonymous

            Portland’s volume is so high only because of oil shipments into the Portland-Montreal pipeline. Halifax has much higher capacity for handling shipping containers. Portland’s only container service is by barge, which connects Portland to Halifax and Boston. Portland can not handle large container ships, Halifax can.

            Halifax is served by over 10 major shipping lines and has two large container terminals with lots of excess capacity.

          • Anonymous

            The point isn’t that Portland’s may be artificially high, its why so few shipments are coming into Halifax – reputedly a large and capable port – only as many as New Haven, CT.  It is because there is no economic demand to move more goods and people via Maritime Canada! Halifax has “lots of excess capacity”.  I suspect a new East-West Highway, if built, will have the same.  Overdesign is at least as wasteful as underdesign.

  • Anonymous

    Peter Vigue has an interest in this because………….money in his pocket! We do not need an east-west highway to be ruined by fast driving tractor trailer trucks speeding thru the state to their destinations, which, in all probability, would not be somewhere in Maine. For a temporary job fix to build this road, we would see homes destroyed, the road eventually ruined by the big truck traffic and big expenses in the future……Maine is not NYC…..there are many ways to get places……

    • Anonymous

      Make it a toll road than there is the money to fix it with 

      • Anonymous

        so we should pay tolls for roads we don’t need?  great idea!
         

        • Anonymous

          Who says you half to use that road ?

          • Anonymous

            try not to be ridiculous in this conversation…

          • Anonymous

            im not no one say you half to use that road . just because it’s me saying you do not like but if you said that to me that would be ok ?

          • Anonymous

            I have no idea who you are, nor do I care….I find your reply to be irrelevant to the conversation, that is all.

          • Anonymous

            That’s because you have no come back but still half to say some thing

          • Anonymous

            maybe your worth as a person has to do with a smarmy snappy comeback, or obviously something to do with your manhood, however, my worth as a person does not depend on snappy comebacks to comments…and you do know that the way you use half is incorrect, you have misspelled it several times…it’s HAVE….

          • Anonymous

            HA !!

    • Anonymous

      Not to mention money in the pockets of the hundreds of people (who have families) that Mr. Vigue employs and pays a very good wage.  Since when is it wrong in this country to WANT to make money? 

      • Anonymous

        its not wrong to want to make money, its the way for this particular project.  Employ some people for a few years to build a road to nowhere FOR MAINE; besides having to take peoples homes….if the Canadians want it so bad, let them build it….we don’t need it.  I am sure Cianbro is not going to go under if this project doesnt go thru……their bottom line is the almighty dollar, not the supposed care for Maine becoming the next “trade gateway”….and where is this $300k going to come from for this study….our pockets! we have many more needs in this state to throw that amount of money at: education, heating help, fixing our road that we have now, etc…..invest this money in the railroad…

  • Anonymous

    This is another GOP attempt to privatize everything including our government.  If a road for the public is going to be built, the public should build the road.

  • Guest

    Unless you also get New Hampshire and Vermont on board with this so it connects to the interstate system in upstate New York  then it appears to me that this is a “road to nowhere”.

    If all you are doing is making a shortcut across Maine for Canada to ship goods from the Maritimes to Quebec then Canada should pay for it.

  • Harry H Snyder III

    We (taxpayers) have financed a number of studies on this Cianchette dream Those studies (as I recall) say that money spent on this road would amount to a net loss.

    I have no doubt the misfits running our State will build it anyway.  They (after all) have to pay off their campaign contributors.

  • Anonymous

    It seems quite logical that a construction  company would be in favor of building a giant highway.
    More important to know is whether there’s a real benefit that would arise out of such a road. 
    That could be determined by a well thought out study done by people who don’t stand to gain with it or without it.  
    Bear in mind that many of Maine’s roads are in dismal shape and a nice big new highway would need maintenance for a couple generations to come.

    • Anonymous

      They’ve been studynig it for like 30 years….  So I think its safe to assumethat the reason it hasn’t been built is that those studies say its not economically beneficial.

  • Anonymous

    So, we have to drive a bit longer to get there. In this economy and with our “State Of The Union”, I would submit that this would be a huge mistake, at this time. I was and under different  circumstances, would still be a huge proponent, however, there are lots more important things to be done at this time. Will we hire the illegal aliens to build the road with products and materials and machinery made in China? I’m pretty sure I have the Chinese part right, though!

  • Anonymous

    Ok,all our roads and bridges are falling apart,why not build more roads we can’t afford to fix

  • Anonymous

    In 1998 I was assigned to a post in Hungary as part of the Bosnian war peace efforts.  To get there I drove from Germany.   When I drove through Croatia (one of the 1994 civil war locations) I found myself on a brand new “interstate road”  much better than the Maine turnpike…….I was the only vehicle…………………guess who paid for that “Haliburton” road and many others over there…..you did!    So, I’ve no problem with an East West Highway being built……….an if it’s a private highway, why not build it so we can go at “autobahn” speed?……..100 mph !!!

    • Harry H Snyder III

      You found that we wasted money in Croatia building a unnecessary road, so your solution is to build another unnecessary road here in Maine?

      • Anonymous

        I don’t know if it was “unnecessary”, someone thought it was needed when rebuilding a war torn country.  I’d hope it is now heavily used …..but what I saw over there then were ox drawn carts one minute and then a Porsche driving by you and that cart on a corner going 100 mph, all on the same roads.
        Our U.S. Government  __sses money right up the side of the wall every day…there was a lot more than just super highways we built over there.  What I’m saying is this…..build it for us.  The debate of if it is needed is what the “study” is for.

        If it’s a “private” road there would have to be an option to someday make it a public road, but private is the only way this thing would ever get built.   

        • Anonymous

          Roads are jobs programs. 

  • Anonymous

    The only people who will use it are Canadians going back and forth between the Maritimes and Quebec…so at least make it a toll road for international drivers…

    • Anonymous

      Great idea….Make it a toll road…..

    • Anonymous

      You say the only people that will use that road are  Canadians  ?   So if some one on one side of the state would not use that road to get to the middle or the other side of the state would not use that road  ?

      • Anonymous

        Yes, all 20 people living in Eustis will have a huge benefit next time they decide they want to drive over to Springfiled.  

        Oh yeah, no reason for anyone to go between the two!

        • Anonymous

          What world do you live in ?

          • Anonymous

            The one that recognizes that almost nobody lives along this route…

  • Anonymous

    Why doesn’t the Maine Technology Institute fund this project to quantify the economic development potential?  Why don’t the professors and students at the University of Maine perform the type of analysis needed to verify the project’s feasibility as part of the return to taxpayers on public support?  UMO has engineers, surveyors, foresters, economists, and planners to undertake this project as a public initiative.  A good idea will always have traction until unknown factors result in slippage.  State of Maine agencies should also be involved in this cooperative effort as part of normal duties.  Under difficult economic conditions, we need to optimize our use of existing human and professional services.

    • Anonymous

      I like that accountnow

  • Anonymous

    The head honcho in Augusta said we couldn’t afford a bond issue to repair the roads we already have, BUT we can throw money at something like this.  Doesn’t make sense does it?

  • Guest

    ….

    • Anonymous

      If  you say  people would whine about that to . Land would half to be taken to widen the roads an that’s a big road block. How  much of the roads would go thru towns  ?

      • Guest

  • Anonymous

    Canada is pushing this, have them pay for it.

    • Anonymous

      OK an no maine cars an trucks will be allow to go on that road 

  • Anonymous

    As far as the East is from the West is this highway for the best?

  • So let me get this straight , Cianbro Corp is looking for a hand out from we the tax payers to build a private road? Sounds like a welfare scam to me, or have I missed something. Go after them Governor, and somebody should report them, shouldn’t they?

    • Anonymous

      Companies an farms get hand out every year no matter what size they are or how much profit they make

  • Anonymous

    Utility corridor … for the Keystone pipe?

  • Anonymous

    How about an East-West RAILROAD?

    • Anonymous

       There are several existing east west railroads including the old Maine Central Mountain division, owned by the State and not operating, the old St. Lawrence and Atlantic from Portland to Canada, and two lines of the MMA in northern Maine and a number of east west branches of PanAm formerly the Guilford lines.   All seem to be underutilized.  Why do you want to build another one?

      • Anonymous

        Exactly why not repair them it’s cheapest way of moving goods. I would still like to see this road built though. I think it would help bring in more manufacturing, and help all the small towns that are being slowly killed off.Still need funding though, were’s the state gonna come up with the money?Cianbro, Sargeant’s and Reed & Reed should pay for study.The State should figure out how to pay for the job without killing all of us with taxes.

        • Anonymous

          I would not ship goods by PanAm that send out trains when they want to send them out. They would NEVER supply the cars that companies need . I should know i worked there before the big lay off. They don’t repair cars in waterville any more . They have cars on sidings every were .. A train going out of Waterville to portland takes 8 hrs an the tracks going to Madison is just as bad they have at least 5 derailment every year on the Madison branch. the branch going from waterville to the sappi mill is just as bad . Panam wants the government to fix all there tracks we at the railroad have known this for thirty years they have let the tracks run down

  • Anonymous

    build it from Coburn Gore point of entry from canada on route 27, straight across to Brownville junction. Then straight to route 6 in Lincoln from route 6 you can hit route 1 and route 9 thats the east side. On the west route 27 route 201 route 11  also I-95 route 2 would basicly let you hit any road in maine. would save huge traveling time reduce the use of fossil fuels to go from point A to point B within the state. Hopefully bring travel into towns like Winn, Mattawamkeag,Macwahoc,Lee Springfield,Topsfield more towns across the state then I can count would be affected by tourism.I’m more interested in what kind of Manufacturing jobs it may bring to these area’s they are in serious need of jobs, other than Wallmart/McDonald’s jobs. We need Manufacturing, and soon the costs to produce in china will be the same as here and American company’s will be looking to move back to the states.We need Maine to be ready for that.Biggest problem ,were is the funding gonna come from and once we have this road what will the Maine Gov. do to Attract manufacturer’s to these area’s most States bribe them.

  • The corridor ALREADY EXISTS.  It’s just not signed with a continued route number.  Drive it anytime from Coburn Gore to Calais as follows:
    Enter from Sherbrooke, QC following Quebec 212 to Quebec 161.  Cross at Coburn Gore.  Stay on Maine 27 to Kingfield. Turn left onto Maine 16. At the T with 201A, turn right into Madison. Turn to stay on 201A to Norridgewock.  Veer right onto Maine 139 and turn onto I-95 to Bangor.  Take I-395 over the bridge, and connect to Maine 9 either by going through Brewer, or out to Maine 46 and up.  Follow it to the new crossing, and enter on New Brunswick 1.
    THIS IS ALL PAVED, ALREADY EXISTS, and it is the best timed route from West to East.
    .
    If we had a DOT as forward-looking as Arkansas or Mississippi, this would already be approved by the AASHTO and FHWA and signed as US Route 102.  A proactive governor would have already worked with Quebec to sign Quebec 102 in place of 212, and cosigned on Autoroute 10 (the number is available even!) and have a continuous Montreal to Maine route 102!  New Brunswick could replace NB 1 with NB 102 all the way to Moncton and on to Nova Scotia.  Nova Scotia could co-sign NS 104 with NS 102, and then a single route number 102 would be continuous from Montreal to Halifax through Maine. D’oh!
    .
    And like Southern states where the map changes with new roads built (consider a Maine 1968 map is still pretty much unchanged), close bypasses of Kingfield, Madison, Norridgewock and minor intersection changes would create a *continuous* route from Coburn Gore to I-95.  And getting off the pot and finishing the 395 extension in Brewer and Holden…. and this Route 102 would become *the* Montreal to Halifax route for trucking.

  • Anonymous

    I become a little nervous when I hear terms such as: “privately-owned toll road”, “utility corridor”, “intermodal”, “open borders”, etc. It reminds me of what I’ve read about the NAU (North American Union) scheme that was signed by President G.W. Bush and the leaders of Canada and Mexico. Steps were being taken, and probably still are, to implement it. Part of the plan was a “super corridor” from Mexico through Texas and the rest of the U.S. all the way to Canada. The corridor would be about 4 football fields wide (I believe) and would carry power lines, pipelines, high-speed rail lines, etc., as well as the super highway.  It would have been built and operated by a Spanish outfit. (CINTRA, I believe.) Needless to say, folks whose homes, ranches, etc., were in the path of the “super corridor” weren’t happy about losing their property through eminent domain.

    The scheme would also pretty much do away with our borders with Canada and Mexico.  People and commerce would come and go with little control.  (We’d all be just one big happy North American Union.)

    This is “off the top of my head”, but if you want more info, you can “Google” “North American Union” or  “Trans-Texas super corridor”.  The east-west highway plan in Maine is different, but there are similarities in the proposals being talked about.

    It’s way too early in the process, and we have almost no information to decide if the E-W highway is a bad idea or not.  Until we have a solid proposal, I’ll be urging my legislators to oppose spending any tax-payer dollars on it.

  • Anonymous

    Vigue talks about using the already functioning logging roads.  I find it hard to believe that the loggers or logging companies want their roads used for a highway.  Presently, the loggers drive a rather fast speeds without much other traffic to prevent them from doing so.  This would certainly change if the logging roads were used for regular traffic.

  • Guest

    I like it……………!

    Get-Er-Done

    Skrew the greenies,,,,,,,, tell the Nature Conservancy, RESTORE, QUIMBY, and the Conservation Law Foundation that they can all go get stuffed

  • Anonymous

    “Defending Water for Life rejected the notion that a new highway would bring big economic benefits to Maine and any benefits would be offset by increased pollution and more burning of fossil fuels.”

    I don’t remember this group opposing Quimby’s Park…..but their arguement will work in that arena also.

    Remember it.

    • Anonymous

      That traffic will stop and spend time and money in Maine. 

      Remember it. 

  • poormaniac

    BDN   why must almost every non political article you put into print allow comments about politics to play into them. Why can’t these posters just discuss the article and it’s risks and benefits to the state instead of pitting one party against the other. Are these people political party representatives just posting to fuel the fire for political gain? I’m sick of it , it’s time the people of this state (and country by the way) unite to fix our problems instead of contributing to them !

    • Anonymous

      That’s because the people making the comments don’t know better . They think every thing is  political or a scheme now matter what subject it is

  • We already have this, it is called “New Jersey”.

  • Anonymous

    “Defending Water for Life rejected the notion that a new highway would bring big economic benefits to Maine and any benefits would be offset by increased pollution and more burning of fossil fuels.”

    And how is me having to drive down to New Hampshire then back up to locations in northern Vermont saving on the use of fossil fuels?

  • HalseyTaylor

    We already have an underutilized east-west railroad on the same route that connects Montreal with St. John, New Brunswick.  It passes through Jackman, Greenville, Brownville, Mattawamkeag, and Vanceboro.  It can handle lots of trucks on rail cars right now, without turning over one shovelfull of dirt in the State of Maine.

  • ChuckGG

    Of course, when I speak of the 51st state, I am speaking metaphorically.  We would not be annexing Canada anytime soon.

    Slight correction – A&W is American.  Tim Horton’s merged with Wendy’s (but since has gone public).  And, yes, I have shopped at all the stores you mentioned, but I just come back to my point that if you blindfolded the average American and dropped him at the Pickering Center Mall east of Toronto, he’d have no idea that he was in Canada.  I also would say it seems to be the US chains are on the rise and the Canadian ones are on the demise.  Future Shop looks like it is on its way out.  Best Buy Canada is climbing.

    I agree with you on the identity issue.  Canadians are not as much into flag-waving as compared to the USA.  Certainly, they deserve their own identity and while I do not think (nor do I think most Americans would think) that Canada would become the 51st State, the Canadians think that, and some are fearful of losing their identity.  Back in the late 1990’s there was a conference of Canadian banks and financiers held at the Royal York (nice place) in Toronto.  During that meeting these Canadian financial people predicted a time when the Canadian dollar would disappear and and the US dollar would be traded.  Kind of shocking but words from their mouths, not mine.

    Canadians know almost everything about the 800 pound bear they sleep beside but Americans know almost nothing about Canada and frankly are somewhat dismissive of the land to the north.  Nothing outwardly antagonistic but more along how we treat American Samoa.  We know it is there, but ho-hum.  They are bombarded by American TV, magazines, and media content.  And, moreover, they seem to want more of it.  How many “gray market” satellite dishes are sold up there every year?

    Canada has only 34 million people compared to our 312 million.  I suppose it is predictable.

    Opening up the borders and having more of a Euro-style border crossing likely would spell doom for some of the stores in Canada and certainly the gas stations.  Have you checked the price of gas in Canada?  GasBuddy says the average for Ontario is $1.25/l or $4.73/gallon.  Today’s conversion rate is about par so $4.73 is fairly accurate.

    It will be interesting to see what happens.  Personally, I’d like to see the border open up, but only because it would be more convenient for my family and me.

  • Anonymous

    SHOW ME THE MONEY!! And I don’t mean added taxes…..

  • Anonymous

    I think the highway could use more exit stops which would provide opportunity for growth in Washington county.  Where-evah there is an off ramp and on ramp to a highway provides opportunity for a growth of services for the highway travelers. Open up some more opportunity for the people along the way.  Enrich the environment with business to make a living by. Than, this is a good opportunity.

  • Anonymous

    Why should the state pay for an “investment grade study” for a private highway?  Why doesn’t Vigue put up the 300k and get the study done?  I’m sure Cianbro made that and more  just on the bridge observation  towers they installed on the Bucksport bridge that Cianbro built and taxpayers footed the bill for.  Here we go again.   Nice try Petee!

  • Anonymous

    $300,000 to study a highway we’ve lived without forever while The Accidental Governor is threatening to throw Granny out on the street and small children out of their classrooms? Just more evidence that the GOP has no no regard for its citizens unless it’s welfare for the rich or give-aways to corporations.

    Let Peter Vigue fund his own study.

  • hey-I’m-your-man

    help

  • So, if this is such a great idea, why do the taxpayers have to pay $300K for a business plan?

  • Anonymous

    Another study !! Reminds me of the consultant that tells you a 101 ways to love your girlfriend, and not have one of his own.

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