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  • Anonymous

    As if people don’t already know! Why do we need to waste millions of taxpayer dollars on a “panel” to investigate it? The 3 main causes are: broken families making for troubled youth, mental health issues that are not properly handled, and irresponsible gun owners who do not properly secure their guns. These irresponsible owners should be held accountable as much as the perpetrators of the crime would be, at least on some felony level so as to prohibit future gun ownership since they clearly do not deserve to own guns they cannot secure. The whole violent video game / movie thing does not help, but as long as the first amendment stands, and since there is already a rating system… what can you do? The rating system not being respected by irresponsible parents gets back to the broken families issue. Banning or restricting guns will accomplish nothing. In 1994 some Clinton-appointed bureaucrats at the BATFE decided to essentially ban the importation of inexpensive Chinese & other steel-core 7.62×39 on the absurd grounds that it technically qualified as “pistol caliber armor piercing” and thus fell under the auspices of the 1986 restrictions on pistol AP ammo. This did nothing to restrict the already millions of rds in the country other than make it more expensive, and certainly did nothing to dissuade the 2 shooters in the 1997 North Hollywood bank shootout from using it in their AK’s. It was a good thing they used this type of ammo though since not one of the many victims they shot died because this type of ammo causes relatively less tissue damage compared to “less objectionable” hunting type bullets such as soft-point, hollow point, or even frangibles. Politicians are clueless dopes when it comes to guns & ammo who care nothing of the issues at hand and live only to pander to the moment, the press, and their constituents… liberals more so than anyone else. I have no faith in this paper-tiger panel.

    • Anonymous

      I agree we don’t need a panel. I also agree that the gun lobby is a serious part of the problem, as they are unwilling to negotiate or even budge a single inch on any issue related to gun control.

      I think your suggestion that ‘broken families’ are a root cause is antiquated, since the majority of families in the US are now ‘non-traditional’.

      The clearest message that all of this lunacy has provided to the American people is that the gun lobby is too rigid and the lunatics are too crazy. The rest of us need to act like reasonable grown-ups and set useful policies that limit assault weapons.

      • Anonymous

        “Limiting assault weapons”… famous last words. The next thing you know, my 8rd mag-capacity Czech CZ-52 (which is military surplus from 1953) will be considered an “assault weapon”.

        • Anonymous

          Thanks for making my point about the gun lobby. No room for discussion. Ever.

          • Anonymous

            How can there be room for discussion when the proposed policies which the lobby is faced with are rife with a history & intent of being entirely one-sided, unconstitutional, ineffective, and ever-escaliating in nature? There’s room for discussion: “I reject your views, notions, suggestions, and analysis and prefer to remain stalwart in my rightful & legal position”.

          • Anonymous

            At some point I hope you will realize that it isn’t up to you or to “we” to decide anything about a God-given right to self-defense.

          • Anonymous

            God-given????????? Surely you jest!

          • but plenty of room in your head to have a brain retrofitted.fill up some of that empty, light headed feeling you complain about.

          • paul

            he didn’t make your point for you.. you have not point as yet.. accusations .. that’s it ? gun control ..? that ‘s it .. it has never worked.. have a look around.. if there was some solution that would stop the killing that involved gun control .. I doubt that we, ( right wing nuts) would be against it.. but so far it’s just foolishness.. 10 years of assault rifle ban did nothing.. well except Columbine 3 years into it, Chicago has the toughest gun laws in the nations.. normal citizens can’t get a gun… yet it has the highest murder rate in the country….here’s a news flash .. and please check it out.. in areas where there are guns the crime is low.. in areas where there are no guns the crime rate is through the roof.. … Britian has no guns for the average citizen.. it took a few years , but now their crime rate with guns has run amok.. they are re thinking their policies.. same in australia.. it just took some time ..Keneswa Ga. has a mandatory gun ownership ordinance for each household.. gun related crimes = zero.. go figure.. you mutts are going to get a lot of people killed with your backward thought process..

      • Anonymous

        Agreed.

      • Anonymous

        We don’t need? Gun lobby? The right of the People is not up to you Bangorian. Time to get off the high horse, brush him, and put him in the barn.

      • paul

        you have it wrong.. just like the libs have it wrong.. there have been no ” reasonable” gun related legislative changes proposed.. none that would actually do any good.? we have a bunch of know nothing lawmakers trying to get control.. Feinstein is an excellent example.. she wants to take all guns away from the citizens.. ( it’s on the record ) well all citizens except herself.. she has a concealed permit and she carries… hypocrite..making laws for you and I .. it’s not about the guns anyway.. it never has been.. gun free zones are now killing zones…. a liberal Idea gone awry.. yet it’s not noted as a problem by the left.. they created vicitims and now they ignore the truth.. limiting the number of bullets in a magazine does nothing .. it’s foolish.. I can change a magazine in a second.. two seconds if I fumble around a little .. what possible good will one second do anyone in a deadly force situation.. answer none.. a victim would not have a chance.. so again. the left wants to control things that will not help . your comments are in line with the left and makes no headway toward a solution

    • Anonymous

      I agree with everything except the improperly secured gun part… So some perp breaks into my home and steals the shotgun I have behind the headboard or in the closet and shoots somebody I’m responsible…Define “secured” for me please…Mandatory 1,000 dollar 600 pound gun safes ???Perhaps I just misunderstood what you mean..

      • Anonymous

        Improperly secured would mean that a firearm & ammo were accessible to people whom it should not be accessible to who are able and expected to be in that home. Nothing can be done about a break-in, and that is not the intent. The intent would be keeping guns away from kids, drug/alcohol abusers, felons, or mental patients who happen to live in, or have regular access to your home. Most of the school shooters or mass-shooting suspects fit the description of troubled people above, and common sense could have prevented or least hampered some of the recent mass-shootings had the guns that they acquired been harder to access. If somebody wants to have loaded guns around the house then that is entirely their right and should not be hampered, but if their kid or relative is disturbed or felonious, then they are taking a risk.

        • lIIIIIlll

          “fit the description of troubled people”, by what means? Socially outcasting? Diagnosis of Aspergers? Playing violent video games? Lol…You will have to ban half the states kids from guns bro, good luck with that one. Common sense is only common AFTER in HINDSIGHT there capt. obvious, otherwise you would have traveled down there and adjusted her gun room/case (in this CT case or any other case where its “stolen”) to be in-accessible to a person diagnosed with “aspergers” which itsself doesn’t have any scientific correlation to violent actions, you really must love rolling in red tape of make believe.

          • paul

            we could stop all of this … repeal the gun free zone policy.. do it now.. kids are in school and are sitting ducks.. we need to stop that right now… or take your kid out of school you choose folks.. train selected teachers and administrators in a deadly force training by local law enforcement , military or ex military.. get concealed permits for each..and then tell the world that these places are no longer gun free zones.. they are now occupied by trained armed experts.. put it on the news .on the internet, local papers,post on telephone poles.. my take is that would end these attacks on the defenseless victims that the left .. like this bangorian mutt…. have created.. it’s time to take charge of the lives of our children and quit whinning about guns being the cause.. trust this.. the time is now .. not tomorrow . which might be too late.. and it’s no time to listen to the weak and mild folks who will run and hide when the lead starts flying.. you lefties make me sick ……… you are the people responsible for making victims out of small children and then you ignore that problem and attack the constitution.. your DNA is flawed and there is no cure for stupid

          • lIIIIIlll

            While it would be costly, I dont think having armed security there for protection would be bad idea at all, ofcourse money from the govt/state can be in short supply when its going to something of common sense lol.

    • The more they spend the more they can skim. Look at their financials.

      There would be a lot less violence if there was a lot less corruption in Congress.

      http://www.mainetv.net/bob-owens.htm

  • davida willette

    as long as the make budget cuts in the mental health system they will have this

    • Anonymous

      The families of the CT shooter, the Columbine killers, and the Virginia Tech killer had the financial resources to have their kids treated, and yet these are three of the worst in history. It isn’t about what you can take from the taxpayer.

    • Anonymous

      Back in the 90’s, to save money, they began a Main-Streaming program, basically dumping the mentally ill on the streets. Collins voted for this.

  • Anonymous

    I take a dim view of people who want to spend our money to tell us something we already know.

    We don’t need a panel. We don’t need to pay for one either. Some people are just crazy and there’s no realistic way to stop them from killing if that’s what they want to do.

    I think Collins’ suggestion has more to do with political visibilty than any real world solution.

    x

    • Anonymous

      DING DING DING , we have a winner here…

    • Collins is an elitist, she does not consider herself a public servant but an official.

      There would be a lot less violence if there was a lot less corruption in Congress.

      http://www.mainetv.net/bob-owens.htm

      • Anonymous

        This is so true, she travels with YES people, and will cast a blind eye to anything, or anybody who is now praising her every step. She needs to go.

        • Anonymous

          ttt

    • honey777

      “We don’t need a panel. We don’t need to pay for one either. Some people are just crazy and there’s no realistic way to stop them from killing if that’s what they want to do.”

      If you believe that, then let’s implement mental health screening of gun owners. All gun owners should have to have yearly mental health exams and substance abuse screenings. And not only gun owners but their immediate family members as well.

  • Anonymous

    Go away Susan. career politicans are worthless

    • Less than worthless, they are worshipers of the root of all evil.

      It’s not just Susie, it is all of them.

      There would be a lot less violence if there was a lot less corruption in Congress.

      http://www.mainetv.net/bob-owens.htm

      • Anonymous

        Agreed!!!!

  • There would be a lot less violence if there was a lot less corruption in Congress.

    http://www.mainetv.net/bob-owens.htm

  • Anonymous

    Mass violence is caused by 1) both parents working and having their kids taken care of by strangers or, 2) couples getting divorced when the kids are young or, 3) home schooling where the kid gets zero social life. For example, a couple living up the road from me home school their 7 year old boy; the boy is out on the street during daylight hours playing “shoot to kill” with a straw target in the front yard; he has no friends and no social life; when we ride by he points his gun at our car. Now, what do you think this boy will do when he gets to be 20 years old and get his GED? You guessed it, a mass murderer.

    • Anonymous

      Point taken, but sort of a broadly painted brush stroke with regard to home-schooled kids, many of whom are religious-instructed in nature and don’t usually take to killing people. I dare say that some of the union-driven public schools in this nation do more to teach kids about the notion of life being worthless.

      • Anonymous

        I would not know about union driven schools, but I see your point. I went to catholic schools, for whatever that is worth.

    • Anonymous

      Only your #3 there would apply to the murderer Adam Lanza, for example. (his parents were together 28 yrs and did not divorce till later in his life.) I think the isolation that you speak of, not being with peers, spending an inordinate amount of time playing violent video games alone would all be some real concerns and raise some real red flags. The other two factors you mentioned likely have very little to do with escalating violence, gun deaths,etc. Many of these mass murderers have come from homes where there was a mother and father, and plenty of money. It is the quality of the parenting that matters, not the composition.

      • Anonymous

        There is also the mental illness factor which may, or may not, have nothing to do with 1, 2 or 3. But, I agree that the quality of the parenting can be a huge factor in how these kids think in later years. Lots of kids play violent video games, and this is where parental supervision is apparently lacking.

        • Anonymous

          Yes.

      • Anonymous

        As far as video games goes, just look at Japan, In the past 9,000 US related gun incidents they have only (not that that’s good) had 11 in
        that time frame. Their society is rooted in video games and other
        violent media. Have you ever seen a Japanese
        movie? Rape, murder, suicide, etc.. is all prevalent. I honestly think it has to do with our lack of
        understanding on how to deal with people with mental disorders, and parents
        not teaching children the value of life properly.

        • Anonymous

          It is a combination of factors. Violent video games lead to desensitization in some, but not in others. Does that mean we ban all violent video games and all guns? No, that is not what most are saying. However, further links and study of this is called for. Sitting back and letting things go on the way they are is not sufficient.
          Definitely the mental disorder piece. In the case of Adam Lanza, and with his mother home schooling him, I don’t know that this would have been caught. She took him out of the public school where his de-escalating mental health might have been witnessed. Instead, he stayed alone at home, playing a lot of violent video games. No one recalls even seeing him. Come on!
          As for Japan,etc…..I don’t know what it is like now, but for centuries there was a real civility in that society…..respect for elders,etc. Kindness, politeness. Maybe that has gone the way of the past too, I am not sure.

  • Anonymous

    It is just Susan Collins seeing a good photo op, and a good bandwagon to jump on, with Collins, nothing is an issue, until it is an issue. Go back to the bungalow Susan, the world is a far better place with you in hiding.

  • Jazz11

    That’s a hard one Susan….. GUNS!

  • Anonymous

    This is a woman who supports infanticide, and one of two willing profligate RINOs who contributed to America’s current debtor status… the other has conveniently retired with a tidy portfolio. Why is it more than disconcerting that she seeks an answer to violence when euphemisms are more convenient and avoid the real issues at hand?

  • Anonymous

    We don’t need a panel to find the source of the problem. Mental health care, or lack of, is the source.

    All of these mass murderers and plenty who have not quite qualified as such (less than 3 victims) have one thing in common. They all should have been in treatment facilities for their mental illness.
    Everyone, it seems, wants to dance around the gun issue. While they aren’t willing to spend anything to address the issue of mental health care.

  • Anonymous

    I feel that most of these commissions simply cost money. They give us no new answers. They are a delay tactic. They are basically useless. Lets address this problem now.

    • beithe

      In this case Sue’s Brilliant Idea was probably found in an email sent from the NRA to the Congresswoman Most Likely to Start a Commission. Waste of time and waste of money.

  • beithe

    Because we will never figure that out on our own Sue.

  • Anonymous

    Not one mention of the media actually reporting?! the sandy hook story was a joke from the start. The media bungled info left and right! A joke!

    There is no journalism left. None. Merely corporate puppets.

  • Anonymous

    Ok Susan. When you can actually speak the English language get back to us!

    These people represent us? Unbelievable..keep voting folks! It really works! Especially when there are two choices ( never mind that both parties are owned by the same people)

  • Anonymous

    The typical response of “leaders” who have vested interests in maintaining the status quo or at least in delaying serious legislation. Collins has presumably received funds from the NRA and gun makers and certainly from sportsmen groups and wants to appease them. What could such an expensive Commission possibly discover that isn’t already known? A disgrace that Collins would take the lead on such unnecessary nonsense.

  • Anonymous

    I like the way she put dangerously mental ill.

    So, can we change the law and consider those blue papered like someone accused of crime and not take rights away, and treat them as innocent until proven guilty, until they are determined to be dangerous through court after white papers are served, for those who are not dangerous?

    Thanks,

    I’m sure many blue papered who never got the notice after leaving the hospital would appreciate that. Speaking of which, it is a law that the hospital has to inform someone of their changes in rights when they leave and they do not. I think it could alleviate some from becoming unnecessarily arrested.

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