Comments for: The worst year in Washington? The tea party The worst year in Washington? The tea party If the tea party was the bright, shiny object of 2010, by 2012 it looked like a toy that had been discarded as a child moved on to bigger and better things. Read More The worst year in Washington? The tea party Back to story → Guidelines for posting on bangordailynews.com The Bangor Daily News and the Bangor Publishing Co. encourage comments about stories, but you must follow our terms of service. Keep it civil and stay on topic No vulgarity, racial slurs, name-calling or personal attacks. People who harass others or joke about tragedies will be blocked. The primary rule here is pretty simple: Treat others with the same respect you'd want for yourself. Here are some guidelines (see more): It should be noted this is not a comprehensive list. Don't insult one another or the subjects of BDN stories. 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Quite often, we won't see a comment until it's reported. Questions about why a comment was — or wasn't — deleted? E-mail us at firstname.lastname@example.org and let us know your username and where you posted or saw the comment. That's about it: Stick to writing about the stories; be civil; be kind; enlighten your neighbors. And we'll keep moderating posts to try to ensure everyone meets those standards. Anonymous People that don’t know how to live will keep voting for the same idiots that give them the rides to the polls. Anonymous i think it’s ironic that a lot of the people who would avail themselves of “rides to the polls” are old folks who got that way precisely because they DO “know how to live” and their age proves it. what’s your point again? Anonymous “SINO”…that made me laugh! Anonymous The Tea Potty has been flushed back down the sewer it came from. Anonymous People will continue to vote against those who try to limit their right to vote. Anonymous The tea party did not try and limit anyone’s “right to vote” and of course, you know it. But then, you are a liberal and lying works well for you – got your folks back in Augusta. Anonymous Tea Party Republicans enacted or attempted to enact much more stringent voter ID laws in every state. That was an attempt to limit voting rights of students and the elderly who generally vote for more Democrats than Republicans. Trying to limit voting rights is the surest way to get people to vote against you. Anonymous nobody was trying to limit anyones vote….thats just a ploy to scare moderate or socially conservative democrats……because there are not quite enuff crazy wacko progressive democrats to move an extremist agenda forward……whoa, did I just say that?? Anonymous Well at least you admitted to the use of Voter Scare Tactics by the Tea Party. It is not exactly what our founding fathers had in mind nor is it in conformance with the philosophy of John Locke. Fear seems to be the only tool in the GOP/Tea Party Tool Box and one that does not serve them well. Anonymous Huh.? You must have been answering another post…. . Anonymous Actually Tea Party Governor Rick Scott of Florida Allen did nothing about the long voter lines and had some good things to say in support of voters having to wait in line for over 8-hours. As many as 49,000 individuals in Central Florida did not vote because of the problems at the polls. About 19,000 of those people would have backed former GOP nominee Mitt Romney, while the rest would have gone for President Barack Obama, according to Allen. That being said I am glad to be a Maine voter. However I would have been a little upset if I had been a Ron Paul supporter. The GOP was not so nice to their Tea Party brothers & sisters. Anonymous Oh my, my, I looked and looked in the cupboard, and, I can find no sugar for the tea. Narsbars A Liberal defends the Tea Party: I am as left as it gets, but much of the Tea Party in Maine has been willing to engage in fair debates, even allowing me to post and having polite if heated discussions. The trouble is that they didn’t know that the Boston tea party was held because Britain lowered taxes on tea. They didn’t know that God is not in our constitution and because some showed an ability to discuss issues they like the national TP were sidelined and used by the likes of the Kochs. The TP proved voter fraud, yes PROVED voter fraud. Look at what happened to the Ron Paul delegates. The Repubs defrauded the TP after a fair win. The TP has been destroyed and taken over, relegated to saying NO to everything. If Obama came out in favor of tax cuts for 98% of America they would still vote NO. Oh yeah, that’s right, they did that. Bright A conspiracy theorist might believe the Liberals invented the Tea Party as no one could have been a better foe than the TP when it came to killing the republican party. Anonymous As a populist movement that many common people bought into, wrongly or rightly, the TP does have many of the same concerns progressive liberals have: fair tax policy, the inequality in income, wealth and opportunity, access to education or health care. The TP thinks govt is the problem and wants the govt “off their backs” to fix these things. This allowed the coporatists who also want the govt off their backs to co-opt the TP for their own narrow interests. When the TP recognizes that such social programs as SS and Medicare, GOVT, essentially, is in their interest, efficient govt anyway, they might get behind policies that benefit everyone… not just the interests of those that co-opted the TP movement. The TP has been co-opted to work against their own interests. Sad but true. Gary Libby That might be the view of Tea Partiers in Maine, but I’m not sure about the South. They aren’t going to support the President even if he was able to ensure they would never have to pay taxes again. Anonymous The Republican Party, once the party of Lincoln, TR, Ike, Chase-Smith, and Cohen, has become an illegitimate and pathetic JOKE. Like the patients taking over the asylum, the UltraTeaRadicals have taken over the GOP and have transformed it into a gang of extreme radicals void of all sense of reality. This is the party of the likes of wild-eyed Bachman, wolf-shooter-dim-witted Palin, drug addicts like Pills Limbaugh, fanatics who want to re-define rape, and exremists have no sense of what it means to govern. For the sake of the nation, we must defeat the TeaPublicans much more severely in 2014 so they can not be allowed to continue to ruin the nation with that majority in the US House. They are UNABLE and UNFIT to govern, and they must be electorally crushed. We did remove some of them in 2012, but not enough. MANY more must GO next time around. Gary Libby And I’m not sure they can recover. There is way too much money liking it the way it is. Bright The Republican Party at a national level better wake up and divorce the extremists (Tea Party) before they find themselves even further behind. As a once proud republican I watched the Tea Party take some “wins” in 2008 and use them to utterly dismantle any semblance of reality from the republican party. Instead of seeking change over time they went for it all at once and imploded. Given these extreme goals and hardline values I quickly found myself voting for the democrats in most cases. As a fiscal conservative most of what the Democrats stand for doesn’t bother me, I just don’t want to pay for it. Many of their issues may be “nice” but they cost the taxpaying citizen tons of money. The new Tea Party Republicans on the other hand use play on the fiscal conservative to enforce ridiculous values from previous centuries. It’s time the Republicans wake up or find themselves lacking any support from younger generations. Anonymous The Tea Party is alive and well and lives in the minds of all Demo/Socialists. We are not going anywhere but back to the Constitution. Anonymous The Tea Party is alive and well and lives in the minds of the zealots in the Republican party who fantasize that they are the saviors of the fictitious America that has never existed. Reading just a little Constitutional history shows that our original Constitution is a masterpiece of compromise by the intellectual and educated members of colonial society at the time. In the years since it was initially ratified it has been amended a number of times, and has been interpreted, to account for changes in human intellect and knowledge over time. Anyone wishing to “go back” to the Constitution of the late 1700’s may as well wish for and H.G. Wells time machine. Thinking that there is only one interpretation of a historical document, and that you are the only one who understands it, is either ignorance personified or delusion. In the case of the Congressional tea party members it seems likely that it is both. Anonymous Moderation and compromise are the only things that work in the end. Unfortunately, here in the US, we have four more years of a dim witted liberals embarrassing our great nation. Rusjan “Moderation and compromise are the only things that work in the end.”……. and then you say ….”of dim witted liberals embarrassing our great nation”. You know Grumpy, that’s not a demonstration of moderate thinking nor will it get you anywhere at a compromise table. You are the toast of the Tea Party. And I mean toast, as in burnt bread, needing to be tossed out. Anonymous You are 100% correct. I took that as a quote from AVOICEINTHECROWD, just changing a couple of words. I don’t see any of you jumping on him for being a left-wing radical embarrassing us. So why just the attack on me? Anonymous Oh yes, the Tea Party and right wing Republicans are so moderate. So glad and relieved that Romney did not get elected. Now according to some of his family members, he didn’t really want to be president anyway. Anonymous Or dimwitted right-wing radicals embarrassing us. BTW, your screen name is what my grandkids call me. We may not agree in our political beliefs, but at least we can have that name in common. Peace. Anonymous LOL. The grand kids IS where I got my screen name. My post you are commenting on was a quote I took and just change right to left. BDN Ombudsman A better argument would be that the worst year went to the American voter for returning a failed president to office for another 4 years of misery based on the color of his skin and not the content of his character. Even a complete financial collapse won’t be enough for these types of people to comprehend how an economy works or grasp the consequences of uncontrolled spending. Anonymous Ya it is all about the color of Obama’s skin not the fact the the guy he was running against was a complete d-bag. Anonymous Too bad you don’t understand what caused the financial collapse in the first place. If you did, you wouldn’t make such a comment. Watch the film, Inside Job. It is an excellent primer on who and what was behind the crisis, and why we are in the same danger now as before… It had little to do with whether one is or was a dem or a repub… It was and is about the greed of the elites… Anonymous Watch the film 2016. You will understand. Anonymous Thanks, but my opinions are fact-based as much as possible. D’Sousa is a liar, and shows his bias with how far out of whack he stretches the facts. Inside Job is non-partisan. Even you will learn some things from it. Anonymous Typical. Anyone who documents the truth which you disagree with is a liar. Mr. D’Sousa produced a factual documentary, you and the rest of the uber left cannot handle the truth therefore you must resort to calling him a liar. Innefctual, infantile and childish. Anonymous Doubt that, you are so partisan don’t need lessons from you. Anonymous Guess you’ll never know. Anonymous Inside Job is a great movie! Anonymous You are right, money junkies have no allegience to any party. Anonymous who made it michael moore Gary Libby If you believe in the trickle down, then you don’t know much about economics. Anonymous That must be 2004 you’re referring to. Anonymous The Tea Party is a joke and they’re destructive to the Republican party. Every time they put someone forth, that candidate turns out to be unable to stand any bit of scrutiny — whether it be birthers, racists, rape comments, 47% comments, science deniers, etc. Then when you press the Tea Party on these things, they claim these things don’t represent them as a group and find some excuse to absolve them of any blame. Tedlick Badkey If they got rid of support for people like Batshiat Bachman, I’d happily stand with them again. But they MUST stand on what we have in common and ditch the lunatic fringe and the zealots. Anonymous Right on , when it comes to people like Bachman. Total nutjob and not worthy of ANY office. But if they keep voting her in, then that’s what they deserve. Anonymous Would you expect anything less from the offical propagander outlet for the Fuhrer Obama and his anti-America agenda!!! Anonymous Stupid, uninformed comment. Anonymous Really? Tell that to the hundreds of women and children murdered by obamas drones. I think they would beg to differ. You know he authorized a drone strike on xmas eve? Uninformed comment? Hardly. Please, mr. Liberal, inform us all of the following: Ndaa, fast and furious, Bradley manning, gitmo, wiretapping, restoring Habeous corpus? Or, why did Barak promise transparency only to be the LEAST transparent admin ever!? Do you know how many times this clown has invoked executive privledge? It’s a joke. Unless,of course you believe everything the corporate media tells you. Blind adherence to this kind of evil will do us all in. Thank you Gary Libby Oh for crying out loud. If Reagan or W had done those things, they would have been heroes in conservative eyes. Anonymous Probably…sadly…. No American should stand for such evil…. I mean, little kids getting incinerated because they are not to a “suspected terrorist” ??? Wow… Anonymous I’m curious… What do you suggest? In the face of such terrible abrogation of what I consider American values, what do you suggest we do? I write letters to the WH, and pontificate on forums like this, and even have a blog, but what do you think should be done? Anonymous The White House? Whatever? Blogs? Pontificating? All useless. Nothing will change until we demand it. The occupy movement was a start, but got co opted by the corporate media complex. Nothing short or civil disobedience is the answer. Writing letters to Obama is useless. He’s just another corporate stooge, but by far the worst one yet. Anonymous What sort of civil disobedience? Tax revolt? We might agree on more than what we disagree. Anonymous Man, I don’t really know? Tax revolt? A good start. It would be nice if we had congressmen who would stand up for states rights..that would help. I think a march on DC is inevitable. I’m not sure we can sit back and let this play out any longer? The Obama yuppies will be begging for fascism before you know it Anonymous Organize. Anonymous “I’m curious… What do you suggest?” Stop giving people reasons to want to kill us is where i’d start, personally. Contrary to what you may have heard, they don’t really hate us for our freedoms. Anonymous RR & W DID do those things or at least similar ones with the technology that they had.Remember Star Wars,Iran Contra, the Patriot Act?The list of laws broken by those two is endless..And I’m not letting the old man (former CIA director)off the hook either. Gary Libby True- they just aren’t mentioned on Fox News. Anonymous Facts are never a part of their operation. Anonymous You have enumerated just about everything that I personally fault this admin for. I could go into great detail about the failure in its economic policies also, but they are marginally better than what conservatives have historically given us. In other words, you don’t know me, and if you took the time to view my discus comments you’d know me better. Obama is not a Hitler. To say so is uninformed. Anonymous Dualistic paradigm? Don’t play that game? Divide and conquer—they’ve already won. Two party politics is a used to control. Period. Uninformed? Really? It seems to me drone strikes that kill hundreds of women and chidlren is nothing short of evil. In addition, murdering two americna citizens via drone, one a teenager, with no due process sounds like a nazi move to me? Walking guns across the border that kill at least one American we know of, and many innocent Mexican kids and women doesn’t sound like America to me? Nor does wiretapping it’s citizens? Or detaining Americans for no reason(Ndaa)— sounds like hitler to me? Anonymous I’ll try this again. My previous answer was denied! Ere is no left vs right. It’s long over. The dualistic paradigm is used to conquer and divide. And it has worked. Just look at the current “liberals” who now don’t care if there guy murders little kids with drones! But by golly if W was doing it— they’d feign outrage! It’s a sick joke that I no longer want a part of. So anyone identifying themselves as liberal,or conservative is just a clueless corporate slave. And Obama indeed IS evil. And very much like his mustached German counterpart of years past. You see, drone killing women and children, walking guns across the border that kill Mexican kids and at lest one American we know of, Ndaa (detaining American citizens for no reason, sounds like 1938 Germany to me) wiretapping, refusal to reinstate Habeous corpus, banker bailouts, unconstitutional invasion of Libya, etc. etc….Yes, sounds like hitler to me. In fact, I’d love to hear how the policies AREN’T nazi esque? Anonymous I’ve answered this question twice now and they won’t let it post. Typical. One more time….Ndaa, and wiretapping citizens? Refusal to reinstate Habeous corpus? Drone murdering kids and women, even Americans! One a teenager! GMO food laws, and on and on..sounds like Germany in the thirties to me? To make the opposite cae would be much harder. Anonymous Really go look at detroit, run by who democrats, just like this state has been run by dems for years, so the same argument can be used for Lapage, I need more time to fix it, took the dems 40 years to screw it up. Anonymous And you don’t think that the president that came before him had an administration that was full of propaganda and lies? Anonymous The tea party as a populist movement fell victim to, among other things, being co-opted by the big money, self-serving corporatist agenda of some of its biggest financial backers, the Koch brothers most notably. The middle class people that supported the movement were looking for answers to common problems for most middle class people, poor wages, lack of financial security, inequality in incomes, education, opportunity for themselves or their kids, health care, too much personal debt threatening their retirements. The self serving agenda of the very, very wealthy backers using the ” get the govt off my back” message of the tea party rank and file, middle class members didn’t and DOESN’T serve those middle class people well. Trickle down economics, the economics that favors those that co-opted the tea party, hasn’t and won’t serve middle class America because it takes from the middle and lower income earners and shifts that income upwards to the top… That is what has been happening for the past 40 years and why we have so much inequality, a struggling middle class, and a growing underclass as more and more people fall out of the middle class. The common folks that believed the tea party would answer some of their concerns and voted for these representatives are now seeing that this agenda is failing them and leaving them without the answers they want and need. THIS IS ACTUALLY WHERE THE TEA PARTY AND OCCUPY MOVEMENT HAVE COMMON GROUND. We all want fair taxes, financial security, equal opportunity to prosper, for our kids, for health care… The elites that co-opted the tea party have theirs and have used the tea party rank and file to their narrow interests. Cillizza doesn’t say so because his paycheck demands that he doesn’t. Gary Libby Well said. Anonymous Wrong! Anonymous Gary may be right or he may be wrong. However, saying only that he is wrong without substantiating your belief is wasting your time and our magnetic ink. I’m numma than a pounded thumb but I amaze myself at times how much I do learn when I try to put some meat into my opinions. More often than not I learn more from the comment sections than the original article, Anonymous Actually what hurt the Tea Party movement was the Media’s love for Obama and the progressives of both parties. The media claimed that there was a evil racist homophobic … underpinning to the Tea Party with no evidence and ignored the actual evils and crimes committed during the Occupy movements. The Occupy and Tea Party have many common beliefs, but like almost every “liberal” groups have NAZI, Communist, Socialist hangers on. Dont believe me? Check out almost any Occupy rally and look at the signs Anonymous You have my vote…. nicely stated. I believe civil dialog as you have demonstrated could and should be had at the local level. Anonymous We are witnessing the implosion of the Great Society theory. It has taken decades of implementation to get to this point but arrive it has. No want has been neglected by vote fishing politicians and private tax money has been taxed out of extinction. We can grow the government even bigger. Alternatively we can encourage private initiative, self-reliance and all Americans who say “I can and I will do it as long as Washington stays out of my way!” The federal government’s first and foremost function is the safety of the American people. Beyond that there is very little that the government can do better than the private sector. Anonymous I will absolutely agree with you that there are some things that competitive markets do much, much better then govt could ever do…but not all things. The profit motive has not provided a better system of health care for US citizens. It is the most expensive while providing worse out comes than at least 40 other countries, some of these still developing. We have the best trained staff, the best medical schools, the best technology, but the most inefficient delivery system of nearly any advanced nation. For-profit health care represents a case of market failure in all but a few aspects of health care delivery. It is a delusion to think private initiative and self reliance is an answer to unscrupulous vendors, cheats, scammers, or to misfortune, accident of birth. It is well documented that social and financial mobility in this new Gilded Age is virtually non-existent. If you are born poor, you are more than likely to stay poor not because of laziness or a poverty disposition but because of inequality of opportunity and lack of access to resources. Dispute the research, but that is what the research says and what informs policy. Private initiative and self reliance is all well and good, should be encouraged in fact, but the structure of our UNEQUAL society that favors the wealthy over everyone else IS A FACT. Government also protects its citizens by ensuring a fair society. Anonymous Dispute the reality but private oil companies are not the only beneficiaries per gallon of gas…..the government siphons off plenty to pay for it’s propensity for vote candy and all else dandy in the way of “New and Improved…Just for you!” Think how much more efficient it would be for gas customers to bypass the government programs in favor of a tax intercept per gallon of gas. In this day and age of lax sentencing by liberal judges even in the presence of crime it cannot be argued that citizens of the United States should be presumed guilty until proven innocent of being able to take financial care of themselves. Au contraire, they’re convicted post haste as they didn’t build that! Anonymous Govt is captured by the corporation. It is hardly “of the people” anymore. And, no, private initiative didn’t build the interstate road system, sewers, police forces or fire departments of growing towns and cities… It was public need to address a common good. You might think a libertarian utopia is possible, but the facts and history don’t support you. Anonymous I appreciate the help but I am capable of announcing my own self-identifed philosophy, thank you. Anonymous I meant no offense. I misspoke. My apologies. You articulate your thoughts well. I may not agree, but that shouldn’t hinder discussion. Anonymous No offense taken. I will be back later but for now my life directs me to other things. Anonymous Ya the Union Corporate, owns the govt, it owns the teachers, the president, the liberals, and it shows. a 9th grader just told me the other day I wish we were more like china, I told her she can move there when she is 18. This is what is being taught in schools of all levels and it is showing up in all forms of life OCW, politics, ect… Anonymous Looks like that 9th grader is about as informed as you. Anonymous Ya informed by the liberal union run teachers Anonymous There is no market in health care. A market needs known prices. It needs a direct buyer and seller. Does the doctor know what your treatment costs? Do you know what your treatment costs when you sign on to that treatment? They do in France and other countries. Does your doctor or hospital even care about competition when you don’t care about price?. Stop buying what is called health insurance and buy catastrophic health insurance (true insurance).and pay for your own routine bills. Then, an efficient delivery system will evolve with the lowest possible prices. Economics 101, which is sadly ignored by our political ruling class and their media. Anonymous Welcome Tea Partier. The middle class peaked at 61% in 1972 the same time as wages peaked. Wages have been in a decline ever since, and the middle class is now 51%. At the same time more and more money has flowed to Washington. Welcome to the Great Society. Anonymous Wonder if I will be reading a similar story on the “Occupiers” anytime soon? Anonymous Not likely. The corporate media publishes what is safe to publish in its own interests. The Occupy movement exposed the over-reaching power of the corporation in our lives. Corporations were once accountable for their actions, were once simply charters that people granted other people to do business through… They now claim personhood, free speech, rights only human persons were granted… Media benefits from this and has demonized occupiers as a threat. The occupy message threatens their lofty but self-privileging position. Anonymous The only media the demonized these lazy people was Fox. Anonymous Actually Jed you are incorrect. CNN very much was part of that. Anonymous They only publish what pushes their(liberal) agenda Period. Anonymous Most hope Not. the Occupiers delivered their message and cost the tax payers a pile of money for Clean Up and extra police on duty. Anonymous No the media loves them Anonymous We get what we deserve. If you keep playing pretend and voting for one of two corporately owned “parties” (which are owned and manipulated by the SAME people) then what do you expect?! Wake up! Demand better! Stop participating in this dualistic paradigm! It’s a joke! Obviously! Why do you think the founding fathers warned against factions?? Hello! It’s a cruel evil and sick joke. For example, you have the “left” who is now cheerleadng the murder of innocent women and children via drone strikes in countries we aren’t warring with! If someone on the “right” was doing the same they would feign outrage! It’s pathetic. Congress is a pack of vile AIPAC owned and backed corporate whores. Period. Anonymous We get what we deserve. If you keep playing pretend and voting for one of two corporately owned “parties” (which are owned and manipulated by the SAME people) then what do you expect?! Wake up! Demand better! Stop participating in this dualistic paradigm! It’s a joke! Obviously! Why do you think the founding fathers warned against factions?? Hello! It’s a cruel evil and sick joke. For example, you have the “left” who is now cheerleadng the murder of innocent women and children via drone strikes in countries we aren’t warring with! If someone on the “right” was doing the same they would feign outrage! It’s pathetic… Anonymous You just wrote three paragraphs that have fallen on deaf ears. Anonymous Not a surprise. Gary Libby Two problems I think the Tea Party had – the Tea Party House members willingness to let the country default, and it alienated too much of the electorate. Their unwillingness to compromise and their narrow vision made them appear to be the cause of government dysfunction. Anonymous Not just appear to be the cause, but WAS the cause…. Anonymous There is no Tea Party…only tea partiers…and as such the movement is less identified by politics and more by philosophy. By the way…the movement is not dead despite the post mortem by the pompous political animals. Anonymous I would not even give the Tea Party credit for having a unified philosophical belief. At least one they could vocalize. I suspect they were trying to adopt the logic of John Locke before being swayed off course by the big money donors such as the Koch brothers. Anonymous Does not sound like you ever attended a Tea Party meeting. Suggest you attend and Then think of what you wrote. Anonymous The only party that does not compromise is you dems, and then blame the reps and the media covers you a** all the way to their bank accounts, an uniformed public is a ignorant public, and that is what the media has done, they just do not report on any story that makes a dem look bad especially this president. pbmann How can one person be so wrong so many times? Anonymous If you are a rank and file Tea Party Republican, you have been fed a line of BS and swallowed it whole. You call the liberals uneducated. The halls of Academia are teeming with liberals. The backwoods, science denying, Tea Party relies on scaring the uneducated into voting against their own best interests. It is the Tea Party that preys on the uneducated, not the liberals. The first priority for the Tea Party, starting in 2008, was to hamstring the president. The Tea Party leaders should be held accountable for such treasonous actions. Anonymous Not sure what group of Tea Party you refer too. The groups that I know merely became curious about the Constitution and gathered once a month to re read and discuss it. No treasonous actions in that respect except in the minds of those who do not understand. Anonymous It’s nice for a group of people to show such interest in such a powerful document. However, it has been for me a life time study and never would I profess to another that it is static writing. If that were to be the truth women would not be able to vote, slavery would still exist, and we would have no need for the Supreme Court. Who is Alex de Tocqueville? Anonymous Seventy years of determination gave women the right to vote. Alex deTocqueville, French historian and political thinker, was a man who sought truths and reason. Thank you for your kind suggestion to study.. You have keen insight into politics and if not teaching, then you should be doing so. Happy New Year.. Anonymous Treason is a pretty big word to throw around just because you disagree with their actions. President Obama’s actions when it comes to the NDAA and expansion of the patriot act could be called treasonous. Certainly, Bush Jr’s and Cheney’s actions that took us to foolish wars could be treasonous. President Clinton’s authorization of bombings in the balkans weren’t that great either. See how easy it is to throw around the “treason” word. Anonymous Today’s US citizen has more opportunities to learn about any subject matter than ever before (and it’s almost free – them dems like free stuff). Open CourseWare Consortium, TED, MITX, Coursera, are just a few resources for the non-emotional, fact seeking learner. Why I just learned the other day what constitutes a true compromise. Some folks would think when one member of a group gives in to another that person is compromising. However, the facts are that a compromise is verified when the final value of the consensus is greater than the input of any single contributor. Guest ^^^…political goals upended by the purists in his party who regarded compromise as capitulation. ——————- Good riddance. They get what they deserve for their dim views of human beings. Their toxic words and sentiments towards others was revolting and shameful. Anonymous Can you please post those toxic words, You mean like john carry said about our America Soldiers “terrorist in the nite” that is a toxic statement, Not We are being Taxed Enough Already= TEA Party, Anonymous You need to learn how to spell Kerry.Don’t worry you’ll be reminded how to spell it a lot in 2013 as he takes over for Hillary. Guest Do you mean Mr. Kerry? The next secretary of state? Pay your taxes like the rest of us and stop complaining. Anonymous Until people finally learn to think for themselves, and not let goofy entities like the “Tea Party” do it for them, things will be continue to be out of whack in this country. Stop joining these cults, people, and learn to decide things by acquainting yourselves with reality. Do your homework yourself, and stop trying to take short cuts to enlightenment. They don’t work, they don’t advance you towards any positive goal. Do the work, learn what’s right and true, and what’s foolish and false, and stop waving flags with snakes on them, wallowing in victimhood. Gary Libby Very true. Today’s media enables us to be lazy citizens. Anonymous Your description of the Tea Party , “goofy entities”, is based on ignorance. The Tea Party groups I know in Maine and in other states, gather to review the Constitution and learn about it. Everyone DOES think for themselves, so please think before you cast a negative on Tea Party members. Anonymous WHY was the Tea Party born? I joined when the majority party democrats shut out all republicans from reforming Health Care. TYRANNY of the MAJORITY. THE CONSTITUTION clearly guarded against this type of TYRANNY. Then the president, by executive order, took over the student loan business. Does any president have the right to nationalize any business like Hugo Chavez does? NO! Misbehavoir by any majority party, either democrat or republican, will be the spawming ground for movements like the Tea Party. Anonymous The Tea Party takes bad hits from those who do not comprehend that the constitution has been badly bruised. Not one person should be stabbing the entire Tea Party. The groups that I know of the Tea Party, were meeting to re read the Constitution and discuss its meaning from origin to current day. There is NO misbehavior in reading and discussing the Constitiuton. Anonymous I am afraid we are at the end of our representative democracy. Democracies end when people realize they can vote themselves unpaid for benefits.(Soc Ser and part of Medicare are paid for benefits.) More and more representatives,senators, and presidential candidates are promising unpaid for gifts for the voters to get elected. The exception are the Tea Party candidates. Anonymous The term “democracy” in the form of our government has failed definition by the most brilliant minds. This is because it is not the same creature as was practiced in Athens (Greece not Maine). I heard our government defined as a “representative republic”. After WWII (probably the greatest height of our democracy) we existed as a socialistic – capitalist – democracy. It’s greatest benefit was the GI Bill which allowed returning soldiers to acquire college degrees and become higher wage earners. I’ve witness fellow citizens viciously attack others they have labeled as Socialist, Libertarians (liberals), Capitalists, Democrats, etc. and I often wonder if the attacker has a clue to our great history, the history of democracy, or even yesterday’s news. Otis B. Driftwood Sorry, but the tea baggie party is a “goofy entity” populated with those from the lunatic fringe. Anonymous Only in your world. Anonymous One can go to Coursera, or any major university of their choice and take a free courses in Constitutional Law and its philosophy. (that’s not a short cut to enlightenment). That’s right, the same course that a credentialing rich kid pays thousands of daddy’s dollars for (talk about numb). After acquiring a basic understanding of the intent, history, multi-persepectives, and the many affecting philosophies, it would be great to have an intelligent community discussion on our Constitution. It could be a weekly meeting that would go on indefinitely. I think the Tea Party still has the opportunity to seriously study and learn about our Constitution. Anonymous ” short cuts to enlightenment”… beautiful line with such truth and power. Anonymous And nothing about DeMint running off.No civilized person will miss him.Sadly he’s being replaced by an ideological clone. Anonymous It is really not tea, or lime soda, the United States has, from the small towns to corporations, regulated them to the point they cannot move, in this country. Isaac The mainstream media is so bias. The Tea Party is very much alive and well. It is GOP establishment republicans who are slowly dying out. The Tea Party did not lose the election rather it was a Republican Party that stood for nothing and was merely a watered down version of the Democrats. Otis B. Driftwood yeah right roger, and fox news is fair and balanced reporting?, what hole in the earth did the tea baggie party crawl out of? Anonymous Without a coherent message from TP congressional caucus they will be marginalized into nonexsistence and the broader TP movement will lose its power in DC. If their message is basically “get the govt off our backs,” and “taxed enough already,” yet the rank and file say things as incoherent as “get the govt’s hands off my Medicare” it is hard to see how this can continue for very long. Those receiving Medicare benefits rely on that support in the absence of anything better. The cuts to entitlements that the TP caucus DEMANDS along with the cuts in taxes both will kill the benefits TP rank and file members rely on. This disconnect in thinking makes no sense as public policy. Rank and file TP people should be very careful what they wish for. And if the TP caucus in DC tries to make raising the debt ceiling another crisis in order to try to blame Obama, the rank and file should know that spending is authorized by Congress… and forcing the govt to default on its debts by refusing to raise the debt limit is an self afflicted attack on the full faith and credit of the US. The rest of the world continues to buy US T-bills because they are still the safest investment around. Deliberately destroying the faith the rest of the world puts in our economy and strength as a nation is, well, not very patriotic. Time will tell whether the ideological purity of the TP caucus in Congress will be a force for good, or bad. So far little good has come out of the gridlock they have created. Otis B. Driftwood Most Americans have conservative views on politics and money, however the brand of conservative that the Republicans were supporting this past election was the brotherhood of the lunatic fringe, the tea baggies, the NRA and religious extremism. Americans showed up at the polls making a statement that the current Republican definition of conservative is just plain old wrong….. Tedlick Badkey Agreed. Anonymous The bedrock of politics in a democracy is the idea of compromise. When compromise breaks down you ultimately end up with a civil war. The Republican party is in the midst of a civil war, metaphorically speaking, at this time with the die-hards fighting the “establishment” section of the party. Anonymous I believe that once people discovered that big money such as the Koch bros. et. al. were actually behind the tea party facade it kind of took the grass roots breeze out of their sails, and left them well, for sale. JohnR First off aren’t they cute with their joker hats on. I can think of nothing better than the demise of the republicans and their party. This current group of whiny unpatriotic girly men that make up the T’Bagger party are such a bunch of tools, and fools. What more does one have to do than look what it brought us here Gubor Paul LiarPage.