Comments for: Three same-sex couples tie the knot at Bangor City Hall

Posted Dec. 29, 2012, at 9:47 a.m.
Last modified Dec. 29, 2012, at 4:57 p.m.

BANGOR | Three couples exchanged wedding vows — and a fourth couple obtained a marriage license — early Saturday morning at Bangor City Hall during special office hours scheduled in observance of the launch of Maine’s new same-sex marriage law. Married were James Beckett and Ken Tidd, Margaret Bagg …

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  • Anonymous

    Will the marriage be recognized in California for the couple that live there? That’s a great distance to travel if it won’t be.

    • Anonymous

      I suspect their relationship will be recognized as a domestic partnership (which gives most of the same legal benefits/protections at the state level). If/when the Supreme Court rules against Prop.8 (or makes no ruling at all), it’ll be recognized as a marriage in CA, and federally likewise if/when DOMA falls. In the meantime, I’m guessing it means a lot to them personally to have their marriage legally recognized in a number of states; we have friends who did something similar (though they only traveled from Pittsburgh to DC). This couple may also have personal ties to Maine.

      • Anonymous

        OldeDaveNJ, it will be recognized as a marriage and any ruling by the U.S. Supreme Court cannot undo this status. This is a full recognition of marriage at the state level. A ruling against DOMA will make a positive difference and allow these married couples federal rights in addition to the state rights. What a glorious day to witness love realized in these couples lives!

        • Anonymous

          Out-of-state same-sex marriages are not recognized in California unless they were performed during the brief time when same-sex marriage was legal in California … at least until the Prop.8 issues is resolved by the Supreme Court.

      • David

        they likely winter in LA and summer in Maine, thus the reason they flew out here for the ceremony. Get married before someone tries to repeal it.

        • Anonymous

          The people’s vote cannot be repealed.

  • Anonymous

    Congratulations!

    • David

      Thank you my aunts are very happy.

  • Anonymous

    isn’t a one letter word…just a letter?

    • Anonymous

      How can a letter be a letter if there’s more than one letter in the letter.

      • Anonymous

        There are no letters composed of more than one letter. There are two words that are composed of one letter (I, a) but they don’t really make sense in the sentence.

        • Scott Harriman

          Don’t forget “o”!

    • Superuser23

      Well, for the sake of the moderation police you have to sensor the rest of your word or opinion, therefore your one word will be one letter and maybe a bunch of blanks. I don’t want to be accused of being one who hates Gays.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t think it’s overrated for them to report on this historic occasion, actually. This is the first day in which same-sex couples are able to get civil marriage in a state that extended it to them via popular vote.

    • Superuser23

      4 stories on the front page is not overrated? A live blogging session it not overrated? Lining up city halls with cameras and journalists is not overrated? There is nothing historic about a bunch of men or women wanting to get a marriage license at 12:01am on a Saturday

      • David

        Actually it was 6-8am on a Saturday, and it is historic as well as a good chance to show the rest of the country and world that Maine is an open minded and progressive place to live.

        • Superuser23

          Several hours later there is still the same amount of coverage on this not so Historic event. A clown could attract more people then this!

        • Anonymous

          Yes!

      • Anonymous

        It was 6am. It IS historic. It is always a big deal when people win their freedom and equality. I’m sorry your life experiences hasn’t taught you compassion and understanding.

        • Superuser23

          I know compassion and understanding, but opening up city hall to allow a couple of same sex people to get married is not historic.

      • Anonymous

        Not for a historic occasion we could plan in advance to witness, no.

    • Anonymous

      The live blog WAS stupid.

      • Superuser23

        It was very qu….oh my bad. But it was very stupid, just think of where those advertising dollars go…

  • Anonymous

    They’re happy and that’s all that counts!

    • Anonymous

      I’m happy with a full auto Thompson Machine gun. Is that all that counts?

      • David

        It depends what you plan to do with. If you have murder on mind I would hope you are miserable and without access to it, but if your intent is good by all means wave your machismo stick around.

      • Anonymous

        If that’s what trips your trigger, yes.

  • Anonymous

    Congratulations All!

    • David

      thank you my aunts are very happy.

  • Tedlick Badkey

    Best of luck and all the bliss of life to you all!

  • Anonymous

    ya,, nice! they should change their name to BGN

    • Anonymous

      The Big Gay News! Then you can change your name to Givmsum.

  • anthonyRcote

    Great use of tax money…

    • Tedlick Badkey

      I agree!

      • anthonyRcote

        I do not.

        • Tedlick Badkey

          Good for you! Why did you lie and say it was?

  • SemiRetired

    What did it cost to open City Hall at midnight?

    • Tedlick Badkey

      Not much.

      • SemiRetired

        How much is not much in your opinion? School budgets are being cut but we have money for this? What about the cost of police etc? This decision, I assume by the manager, was ridiculous. She should be disciplined and put on notice.

        • Tedlick Badkey

          I pay taxes to things I don’t like and don’t approve of.

          I see no difference.

          • David

            Exactly why is this any different from any other tax thing that you disagree with? I detect a hidden agenda.

        • northernmainerules

          They are making money selling marriage licenses..

        • Anonymous

          The entire city council voted during a public city council meeting. The city manager only had one vote. It was also advertised on the local Bangor TV channel and on the City of Bangor website… if you’re interested in getting involved in what’s going on in your city.

        • Anonymous

          You’re penny wise and pound foolish.
          The City makes money on the marriage license and the general economy benefits from spending on weddings. I think you really have another ax to grind and your post is insincere.

          • SemiRetired

            It is that kind of thinking that has us where we are. There is absolutely no way on earth that a couple of marriage licenses paid for the cost of opening City Hall. That thinking and your comment is just plain ignorant. And my comment was very sincere. I do not like it when the City council wastes my money – to me, it’s a crime.

          • Anonymous

            Like I said, you have different ax to grind.

    • anthonyRcote

      And on Saturday? I can’t register my car on some Fridays because there’s not money enough to be open. Where did the funds come from for this “equal” occasion? Way to show you just want “equality”

      • Tedlick Badkey

        Get enough to volunteer and you’ll be fine.

        • anthonyRcote

          So the oil guy gave out oil for this day? The power guy volunteered the electricity? What about cleaning people? All volunteered? You have no clue how much it cost to open all these buildings for this one day. It’s a burden on tax payers that didn’t get to choose where there money went.. if it happened for a religious reason and a couple people volunteered.. you would be singing a different tune.

          • Tedlick Badkey

            I pay taxes that go to things I don’t like. Why are you better than me?

          • anthonyRcote

            Clearly I am not.. your the important one. Town halls open for you whenever you need.. I have to wait till they want to be open for any of my business!

          • Tedlick Badkey

            They didn’t open for me hon… my town office is closed til after the 1st…

          • Anonymous

            whine whine if you don’t like it run for the councle an you can change things you don’t like

          • David

            This was done because this is the first day that the law allows for people to be legally married. It was specially opened between the hours of 6-8 and manned by volunteer notaries.
            It was open because of special observance of the new legislation.
            If you think this is a waste of taxpayer money fine, but please could you be at least a little respectful and wish the couples the best of luck?

          • Anonymous

            They don’t know the meaning of respect.

          • Anonymous

            No, really, how much did it cost?

          • Anonymous

            Nothing. There is a marriage license fee that more than covers the expenses.

          • Anonymous

            If you want them to open on a Saturday for you. Go make history first. Then, go to the city council and ask them to open for you. They will want to hear good reasons so I suggest having something prepared to say, Oh, and bring supporters with you too. If you were against it, you should have gone to the PUBLIC city council meeting where they voted to open. Pay attention to what’s going on in your city and get involved. You don’t have to get off the couch to find out what’s on the agenda. The minutes for future meetings are published on TV and on the City of Bangor website.

          • Anonymous

            How much was the cost?

          • Anonymous

            Much less than the loss of profit from not allowing such marriages in the past. Don’t hide bigotry behind phony fiscal conservatism.

          • Anonymous

            whine whine

          • Guest

            I didn’t see you at the city council meeting.

          • Anonymous

            AND, if these were not gay couples getting married, SO WOULD YOU!!!….Unfortunately, we all very readily know which side of this debate that you fall….Sad for you that you do not believe in equal rights for all…After so many years of discrimination, one would think it would be fair for them to get ONE special night to celebrate the end of it.

          • sail with this

            joke, there is NO end to gay celebrations, that is what they DO…..like LOOK AT ME/US

          • ChuckGG

            Don’t forget the revenue at $40 for each license – only $120 but you could not ask for better free advertising and publicity. Estimates put annual revenue from SSM at $22M. Portland took in $600 in fees and made national television. You have to break a few eggs to make an omelet.

          • Anonymous

            Much about the gay & lesbian agenda is receiving media attention

          • ChuckGG

            Well, that’s good. Let’s hope that draws in the out-of-staters to spend their money. If you don’t believe the gay population has a few bucks, stop by a B&B or two in Ogunquit. Many gay couples are DINKS – Dual-Income, No-Kids. You have two males, usually college-educated, well-traveled, earning the income that two college-educated guys do, and having very few expenses. Sounds like a clientele I’d like to have coming to my town.

            I am speaking in generalities, of course, but I don’t think I am that far off for those who would be traveling to Maine from out-of-state.

          • Anonymous

            Wait! You mean i can pick and choose where my tax money goes?? You mean, if i don’t want my money going to schools (since i have no children) I can choose for it not to go there?? Especially when those pesky schools do things like have a football game on a Friday night or a school play on a saturday night. Do you know how much it costs to open the school for those extra hours??

          • Anonymous

            Sorry, Anthony, but the cost argument is the stupidest and most petty thing I have ever heard. Do the numbers. The buildings are already heated on the weekends and the computers and lights for two hours of use in one office would cost less than a dollar. No cleaning staff were called in for the weekend, because believe it or not, one town official and five couples don’t generate much trash. It is pretty obvious that the cost of the marriage licenses would have way more than covered the costs, not to mention the free advertisement that the town is friendly to such weddings (bringing in future tourism dollars). Don’t try to conceal your bigotry with phony fiscal conservatism.

      • Guest

        What’s wrong with you two?

      • Anonymous

        Wow, you sound really victimized. What does it feel like to be discriminated against?

        • Anonymous

          Entitled is using the “how much does it cost taxpayers” BS as a red herring. It is nothing more then a way to mask the fact that an election was held and the people of the State of Maine legalized someting Entitled was not in favor of. Elections have consequences and in this case Entitled is on the side with the least amount of votes. In elections there are winners and losers. Reasonable people accept the election results and move on. Some people can’t. I believe most people would call it sour grapes.

          • Anonymous

            Exactly and you can tell the complaint isn’t based in principled because he/she doesn’t seem to care that gay people have had to pay more in taxes than straight people have had to. It’s an entitlement mentality for sure! Only thinking me-me-me.

          • anthonyRcote

            How do gay people pay more taxes?? All the times that I have filed my taxes, I have never been asked if I am gay or straight. So how would the Irs or state of Maine know If twas gay or straight to charge me more or less??

          • Anonymous

            Government doesn’t recognize their marriage, thus they pay higher taxes than you and I.

          • Jazz11

            Actually it’s the Federal Government that does not accept it. DOMA, pushed by the Republicans and signed into law by Bill Clinton is responsible for that. Hopefully SCOTUS will put an end to this discrimination so Gays will truly be equal.

          • Anonymous

            But will someone with a birth defect ever REALLY be equal?

          • ChuckGG

            Seriously? Being gay is a birth defect? Rude. Just plain rude.

          • Anonymous

            All people should be treated equally and fairly under the law.

            Not all people are the same height; not all people can run at the same speed; not all people are right-handed; not all people can learn foreign languages with equal ease — yet the Declaration of Independence says that “all men are created equal, and are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights…”

            In the U.S., the principle is that all people should be treated equally under the law.

          • SemiRetired

            Here you are wrong wolf and I doubt that you know much about how the Internal Revenue Tax Code works.

          • Anonymous

            He/She/It doesn’t know much about a lot of things , but that never stopped ’em!

          • Anonymous

            Back it up then. I presented facts and you’ve done nothing, so I”m already way ahead of you.

          • SemiRetired

            Actually, there are many times when married people pay more tax as married filing joint than they would pay if allowed to file single. But they are not allowed to file single, they must file married filing separate. Married filing separate is a huge penalty for married folks and so they generally choose to file together. Tax rates are graduated. Single people pay tax at the 10% rate until taxable income reaches $8,700. For married people it ends at $17,400. The 15% bracket for singles ends at $35,350 and for married’s it ends at $70,700. So far so good. The 25% bracket for singles ends at $85,650 and for married it ends at $142,700. Whoops, no longer a double and this is the so called marriage penalty and trust me, most married couples have taxable income in excess of $142,700. We won’t even discuss the alternative minimum tax and what that does to married people. The 28% bracket for singles ends at $178,650 and for married it ends at $217,450. The 33% bracket is $388,350 and $388,350 but we do not care about these people because they make so much money they have it to burn.

          • Anonymous

            And further more Entitled4life when I got divorced and was no longer able to file jointly I was SCREWED and had to pay over a $1000 in as I was divorced in November and unable to claim the ex that I supported all freaking year, and he was/is ENTITLED on SSDI and couldn’t even claim himself… so I know the way it works, jointly is better!

          • Anonymous

            You say, “most married couples have taxable income in excess of $142,700.” In the United States of America, the one that is on planet Earth? No way! You may feel entitled for life to such an income, but most people don’t make that kind of money in this country.
            My wife and I are almost exactly at the U.S. median income, and (before taxes) we make about $90,000 combined. Your suggestion that “most” couples are far, far above the median is ridiculous.

          • Anonymous

            How about inheritance tax? A gay couple builds a life, one of them dies, the other has to pay huge inheritance taxes that a married opposite sex spouse does not.

          • SemiRetired

            With very little estate planning, all of that can be avoided.

          • Anonymous

            The couple is not legally married, there is really no way to avoid inheritance tax completely.

          • SemiRetired

            Through gifting and proper planning there is unless the estate is extraordinarily large in which case there will be an estate tax to be paid at some point in time, married or not.

          • Anonymous

            You’re making some kind of mistake when you file your taxes — my wife and I benefit from filing jointly. Get an accountant — or a new one — if you don’t benefit already from filing jointly.

          • SemiRetired

            I do benefit from filing jointly because my only other option is to file married filing separate which is not the same as filing single. You don’t have a clue what you are talking about and you don’t know a thing about taxation.

          • Anonymous

            The feeling is mutual — I’m convinced that you don’t know much about taxes.

            You’ve demonstrated clearly that you don’t know much about the median income in the U.S., as you claim, falsely, that “most married couples have taxable income in excess of $142,700.” That’s pure baloney.

          • Anonymous

            Married couples get certain tax breaks, and until now, gay/lesbian couples were not allowed to marry. Thus, gays/lesbians paid higher taxes than married straight people.

          • Rusjan

            He’ll never get it. Doesn’t want to, it’s one of those “if you think it’s not so, it won’t be” things.

          • SemiRetired

            Actually, there are many times when married people pay more tax as married filing joint than they would pay if allowed to file single. But they are not allowed to file single, they must file married filing separate. Married filing separate is a huge penalty for married folks and so they generally choose to file together. Tax rates are graduated. Single people pay tax at the 10% rate until taxable income reaches $8,700. For married people it ends at $17,400. The 15% bracket for singles ends at $35,350 and for married’s it ends at $70,700. So far so good. The 25% bracket for singles ends at $85,650 and for married it ends at $142,700. Whoops, no longer a double and this is the so called marriage penalty and trust me, most married couples have taxable income in excess of $142,700. We won’t even discuss the alternative minimum tax and what that does to married people. The 28% bracket for singles ends at $178,650 and for married it ends at $217,450. The 33% bracket is $388,350 and $388,350 but we do not care about these people because they make so much money they have it to burn. So gays, welcome to my world, a world of higher taxes, the alternative minimum tax and generally being crapped all over by your government. I voted for your right to be married and enjoy all of these so called “married benefits” that we have been enjoying while you have lived the life of single.

          • Anonymous

            Quote “most married couples have taxable income in excess of $142,700.” LMAO what State do you live in Entitled4life? I make a good salary but together if we had $50,000 I would feel rich!!!!

          • Anonymous

            As usual, you miss the point entirely. Most married couples get a tax break — not all, but most. My wife and I (married 33 years now) get many legal benefits from being married.

            And married couples get hundreds of benefits under federal laws that unmarried couples don’t get.
            And your statement that “most married couples have taxable income in excess of $142,700” is laughable. What planet are you living on? Here on Earth, in the United States of America, that just isn’t anywhere close to being true.

          • Anonymous

            File jointly!

          • Anonymous

            My wife and I do file jointly, and have been doing so for 33 years now. That’s how we get a tax break.

          • Xerxies

            Are you referring to the marriage penalty tax? I’ve been married for 23 years, and I’m here to tell you that we pay more taxes than we would were we not married.

          • Anonymous

            I’ve been married 33 years (and another 9 years to my first wife before that), and filing jointly, my wife and I get a tax break.

            Either you are doing something wrong when you file your tax returns, or you need a new accountant.

          • Anonymous

            But have to file as single or married; single people get fewer exemptions.

          • SemiRetired

            Since when do gay people pay more in taxes? Show us those facts wolf. And as I told your hero, 4mer, I voted for the gay marriage but I didn’t vote to waste taxpayer money opening City Hall at midnight for them. They could have waited!

          • Anonymous

            http://money.cnn.com/2011/12/26/pf/taxes/gay_marriage_taxes/index.htm

            There you go sweetheart — I”m sure you’ll find an excuse to pretend that those facts aren’t real. Republicans sure are good at denying the truth.

          • Xerxies

            There are no facts contained in the story your shortcut takes us to! It’s a simple pro homosexual opinion piece.

          • Anonymous

            “to,” “too,” and “two” are not all the same word.

          • SemiRetired

            The article takes one example where the statement is 100% true. But that’s not all there is too taxes wolf but I won’t bore you with details you have no interest in.

          • Anonymous

            Your right……it was all about money after all……hummmm?

          • Anonymous

            Well now it’s you-you-you! Bu then, it’s always been that way with you!

          • Anonymous

            Ahhh! There is the Million dollar answer! Its about the money. So, seeing how I prefer cunnilingus, I should also get political recognition for that too? I think not. Nor should I. I have nothing against gays, I just get sick of all the fanfare and grandstanding.

          • Anonymous

            Wolfndeer, You know what you stated is an outright lie. The ‘tax issue’ you mention is all about single vs married. It is not about straight vs gay.

          • Anonymous

            Don’t tell me I’m lying when you’re ignorant of the facts. It is straight vs. gay as the federal government doesn’t recognize any gay marriages because of DOMA. You can apologize to me now.

          • Anonymous

            Entitled and those like him never think of anyone else….just how something will affect them and their pocketbook or wallet. In this case, it won’t. Like you say, a case of sour grapes. A lot of that goes on on this site, it seems.

          • Anonymous

            Sometimes things “cost” money. Big deal! This was an historic occasion and many citizens would look at this as a long overdue celebration. In the scheme of things, how much did this really cost? Some people , as we both know, just like to whine and complain.

          • SemiRetired

            For proof of sour grapes, just read your own post.

          • Anonymous

            So, what did it cost.

          • Anonymous

            So, how much did it cost?

          • Anonymous

            Less than the cost gay taxpayers have to pay to feed the kids of irresponsible straights who reproduce without having the means to provide for their offspring.

          • Anonymous

            The same could be said about not being able to wait until regular business hours to make a business transaction.

          • SemiRetired

            For the record 4mer, I voted for gay marriage but I would never ever vote to open City Hall at midnight to issue their marriage licenses. That my boy, was stupid, much like your post.

          • Anonymous

            Did the pro-gay crowd except the previous election when it was voted down? I forget.

          • Xerxies

            I’m sorry, but my faith, forbids the acceptance of homosexuality as a natural condition. It also does not recognize the validity of homosexual marriage. All my life, my first priority has been my faith, followed closely by my family, then my country. I cannot be someone I am not. I suspect that I am not alone.

          • Anonymous

            And my faith accepts us all, straight or gay, left-handed or right-handed, black or white, as God’s children. My church welcomes gay or lesbian couples into the covenant of marriage because we believe that marriage is good for society — it promotes fidelity, mutual and loving support, and family stability. If these things are good for straight couples like my wife and me, the same values are also good for same-sex couples.

          • Anonymous

            Pro-gay? Now that is a unique way of putting it isn’t it? I prefer to look at it as pro equality for all. I am really sorry to hear you have a problem with your memory. Perhaps you need to seek some type of medical assistance.

          • Anonymous

            It has nothing to do with equality. It is all about dysfunctional people wanting society to accept their aberrant behavior.

          • Anonymous

            Prejudiced people — dysfunctional and aberrant in their behaviors — do seek acceptance. But more and more, society is moving away from prejudice, and I thank God that fairness won over prejudice in Maine in 2012.

          • Anonymous

            “except” and “accept” do not mean the same things.

          • Anonymous

            Umm wasn’t it your side that completely fell apart and went balletic the last time you lost. I remember quite well seeing anger, crying and utter despair.

            The people who are against same sex attraction marriage do not have the money to keep fighting it. However, we will not accept the dysfunctional behavior of people who suffer with same sex attraction.

          • Anonymous

            My Side? Oh you must be talking about the side that was for equality for all. As far as your comment about those who oppose same sex marriage not having money to fight it I suggest you look at the campaign financial reports on the side of those opposed to same sex marriage. You can make all the excuses you like but one of the nice things about America is that even though it might take awhile we do tend to get things right. You don’t have to accept anything. You have the right rant on these message boards for as long as you wish. That is another nice thing about America you have the freedom to state your opinion, even when you are wrong.

          • Anonymous

            I agree eventually we do get things right. For now the pro same sex attraction crowd seems to have upper hand. But, people will one day see how dysfunctional they really are and question why we accepted such behavior.

            And yes you too are entitled to your own opinion even when you are wrong.

          • SemiRetired

            For the record 4mer, I voted for gay marriage but I would never ever
            vote to open City Hall at midnight to issue their marriage licenses.
            That my boy, was stupid, much like your post.

        • Anonymous

          You know they made special allowances, don’t try to change the subject.

          • Anonymous

            I’m not changing the subject.

        • Anonymous

          People who suffer with same sex attraction now has the State of Maine pandering to their dysfunctional behavior. This may help their “self esteem” for awhile , but in the long run it won’t settle anything for them. Just as slavery was once legal and abortion is legal it still doesn’t make it right according to nature. Woifndeer you have issues with accepting that not everyone sees life as you do. I will accept for now terrible acts such abortion, same sex attraction marriage… are legal by the government, but it doesn’t mean i will ever stop working for that day society will wake up and say, “What were we thinking to allow such an abominations against nature”.

          Wishing you a blessed and happy New Year.

          • Anonymous

            So you feel that forcing your religious beliefs and “morals” on the masses is the right thing to do? Sounds like you want to live in a theocracy, try Iran, sounds like it would suit you well. The difference between letting gay people get married and what you want, is that gays getting married causes you no harm and doesn’t intrude on your rights or life. What you propose affects a lot of people in a negative way. SELFISH MUCH?

          • Anonymous

            I am not a religious person I do however believe in natural law and same sex attraction is not natural. It will cause harm to society, you can pretend all you want, but same sex attraction is an abomination against nature.

          • Anonymous

            So are eyeglasses. God made you nearsighted for a reason.

          • Anonymous

            Wrong again, same sex attraction happens in just about every species. Just because it doesn’t produce offspring, does not make it unnatural! Do you even think before you type?

          • Anonymous

            Homosexual behavior has been documented as occurring in over 1500 animal species to date. So, what is your definition of “natural”?

          • Scott Harriman

            You should read more. Homosexual behavior has been observed in over 1000 animal species.

          • Scott Harriman

            Ban all eyeglasses! They are an unnatural abomination! What’s wrong with the eyes that nature gave you?!

        • sail with this

          sick of their pics plastered everywhere… straight people never got
          this much attention, after they were married. The married couple had to
          PAY $ to post their wedding announcements in the local newspapers!!
          This could be classed as discrimination. Why is this couple special?
          They are NOT, just another couple who got married, end of story; unless
          they want to pay for their own announcement!!!!

          • Scott Harriman

            Straight people also were not discriminated against for over 200 years. This is a historical moment.

      • Anonymous

        You can register your car 24 hours a day online, unless your town is still living in the 19th century.

        • Anonymous

          “…unless your town is still living in the 19th century….”

          Unfortunately, some are!

      • Anonymous

        One good reason for gay marriages is that these people wont be

        bringing anymore unneeded children into the world.
        Certainly a positive contribution to society , in that regard.

        • Anonymous

          That’s what you think! My niece-in-law’s sister is gay and her female partner gave birth to twins via artificial insemination. They are now a happy gay couple with two kids.

          • Anonymous

            Thus they’re “needed” and loved by two parents … certainly a positive contribution to society!

          • Anonymous

            So they needed something from the opposite sex to have children? Hmmmmm. I don’t like you but can I have some of your sprerrrm. ONLY the human species could be so confused

          • sail with this

            it will be 2 more gay kids, in time, just the same way straight people raised straight kids, they eventually will raise gay kids….. keep a watch on the future, there wont be any, you can NOT procreate when 2 of the same sex.. have sex…..

          • Anonymous

            If straight people raise straight kids, where do the gays come from?

        • Anonymous

          Many of them, thankfully, will be adopting children that heterosexual couples are unwilling or unable to parent.

          • sail with this

            your adisgustingly a gay activist/ exhibitionist.., and I am not anti gay at all, just despise people who feel the need to celebrate a very personal matter!!!

          • Anonymous

            Marriage has never been just a personal matter. It at least involves all the family and friends of the couple. In some cultures it involves the entire community. Do you get bent out of shape when a heterosexual couple leave a church followed by all the cars of the wedding party?

        • sail with this

          whose these people…geesh

          • Anonymous

            “these people” are the couples the author is writing about.
            I hope this helps to clarify my statement.
            Best wishes to all.

        • Anonymous

          Where do you think gay people come from? Maybe heterosexual marriage should be outlawed because some children turn out to be gay.

          • Anonymous

            You are misguided.
            Many people fought long and hard for the right of equality in marriage.
            And many Mainers voted for it to be the law.
            Thats a good thing.
            … Not sure why you are advocating abolishing heterosexual marriages ??
            What are you afraid of ?

          • Anonymous

            Have trouble with reading comprehension?

      • Tedlick Badkey

        And I can’ stop my taxes from going to things I don’t like…

        Welcome aboard.

      • Anonymous

        I can register my car, dog, etc…on line.

      • Anonymous

        The offices were staffed by volunteers and the they actually collected license fees, so the total cost was actually a profit for town coffers. Also, by participating in a historic event these towns received national advertising as places friendly for such marriages. In other words they promoted local tourism. Let the town know when you have something that can bring in money and promote tourism and it will probably adjust some hours for you.

      • Anonymous

        How much money do you suppose gay people have had to pony up in taxes to pay for the education of straight peoples’ kids in Maine over the last 25 years? Whatever this cost, it is a drop in the bucket compared to the whopping bill gay people have to pay to benefit other people’s children.

    • Anonymous

      No one is saying. I do know that they paid more in wages, then they made I feel bad for brewer who paid alot in wages for this. Yes they deserve rights, i voted for it, but the city halls could open on Monday oops Tuesday Monday is a holiday

      • anthonyRcote

        Welcome to the “equality” you voted for!

        • Anonymous

          Does not matter if i voted or not for it, one vote does not make a difference. They got rights, yes i voted for it. Who knows, they could lose them if they decide to put it back on the ballot again, and from what i have heard is its in the works, not sure how true it is, but i have heard it from different sources.

          • anthonyRcote

            It can not be put on ballots again..Only works one way. Now It’s here for good. Every vote counts. That “my one vote doesn’t matter” mentality is what got this county where it is. Everyone should make a educated vote.

          • Anonymous

            Yes it can, the only person that can not change it is Lepage. This could be on the ballot as much as they want it to be. Look its been on the ballot twice already, so why not now. They do deserve rights,

          • Anonymous

            You’re wrong. It wasn’t on the ballot in the same form. The first time we voted was a people’s veto and this time when we passed it it was a citizen’s initiative.

          • Anonymous

            Then i am wrong,

          • David

            They can put up a new ballot to ban it if they want, but it will go to court and be found unconstitutional just as prop 8 is being found by every court the case is taken too.
            Suffice to say, rights can be granted, but it is unconstitutional to take them away. That’s something I like.

          • Anonymous

            Actually, it can be put on the ballot again. Except, if it were, the law would not be suspended.

          • Anonymous

            Actually, it is far more likely that this will go national. With so many state already waking up and deciding to treat all people equally, it wont be long before this is law nation-wide. The pot smokers of the country can be happy too because eventually the same will happen with them.

          • Anonymous

            People say a lot of things….a lot of hearsay and gossip. Doesn’t make it true. This will not be put back on a ballot and defeated.

        • Anonymous

          Personally, I hope this angers you to the point of indigestion for the next five years. I can’t think of a nicer wedding present for all the gay people you’ve cheerfully discriminated against for your entire life up till now.

      • Anonymous

        Brewer city council voted to come in and open. If you disagreed then you should have gone to the meeting.

        • David

          Exactly, so many whiners here who are just mad their side lost the vote.

      • Anonymous

        What holiday is Monday?

    • Josh Plourde

      Bangor didn’t open at midnight, they opened from 6 AM to 8 AM. Many of those present were volunteers or city staff who volunteered to come in for the short two hour period.

      • Anonymous

        Really where did you get that info, they got paid,

        • Josh Plourde

          From the folks who were present this morning? Even those who did get paid, do you really think two hours of labor in the city clerk’s office is going to break the bank?

          • Anonymous

            No it wont break the bank at all, and honestly i do not care, Enjoy your day

          • Josh Plourde

            you, too! thanks.

          • Anonymous

            Thanks happy new year

          • Anonymous

            Could other business be done , while they were open? Oh, and how much did it cost to be open?

      • ChuckGG

        And, again, there was revenue from the license fees.

        • Anonymous

          Where does that revenue go?

          • ChuckGG

            Beats me. I suppose to the general fund where most fees go. I don’t think it is especially earmarked for anything. Some fees such as hunting licenses may have portions go toward conservation efforts, for example. But, as far as where all marriage license fees go, I do not know.

            I recall reading the fee is $40 across the State.

    • Anonymous

      First of all, they opened from 6am-8am. If you had been at the meeting, you would know the city clerk estimated the cost would be $500.

      • ChuckGG

        Does that include the revenue earned from issuing the licenses? Also, what is that kind of free publicity and national exposure worth? I see, “Come to Bangor – we welcome everyone!” as the message. Estimates are $22M annually in tourism and weddings from the passage of SSM.

        • Anonymous

          ” Estimates are $22M annually in tourism and weddings from the passage of SSM.” -a completely random , made up figure.

          • ChuckGG

            Why so negative? It is an estimate that I did not make up. The number seems reasonable. The people who track this estimate the gay travel economy is around $70B/year and from personal experience with friends over the decades, I can say we do travel a lot. The demographics on gay income are pretty strong. Most gay couples I would say do not have kids and are DINKS – Dual-Income, No Kids, so you have two generally well-educated college grads pulling down two salaries (and, as we know, men still make more than women) with few expenses, there is a lot more disposable income. Again, this is “in general.” I have a few friends who have very modest incomes but most, by far, are in the six-figures.

            If I were the head of the Chamber of Commerce, this is a crowd I would be courting. Take a trip down to Ogunquit and check out a few of the B&B’s there. Let me know what you think.

            Here’s an article on the travel aspect and gay weddings:

            http://www.pressherald.com/news/hearing-the-of-gay-wedding-bells_2012-11-11.html

            It also is no secret that mayors of large cities court the gay population to come in, buy up the run-down townhomes and row-houses to “gentrify” the neighborhoods. Take a look at Chelsea, MA, U-Street in DC, South Philly, Federal Hill in Baltimore – to name a few. The goal is to get the yuppies and guppies (Gay Urban Professionals) in there to revitalize the neighborhoods. It seems to work. When I was in college in Boston, Chelsea was a dump. Now, it is quite the place.

            Here’s a typical quote, “… I think the only neighghorhood [sic] worthy of living in these days is the waterfront area. There are many gays living over there and well, not to stereotype, but they do know how to take care of their property and are very good neighbors.”

            This is from about a year ago: http://local.yahoo.com/neighbors/md/montgomery-village/20886/31238/chelsea-ma-is-on-its-way-up/

            If I were running a business in Maine, I think I would keep all my options open for customers, unless, of course, the flavor of Christianity you practice forbids common sense.

    • ChuckGG

      Well, not much. Plus, the fees are $40/license. So, they made $120 revenue. The Portland operation got national attention and free publicity. That alone is worth opening the offices. I think they had 15 couples, or $600 in revenue for the brief time they were open.

      SSM is estimated to bring in about $22M annually in sales and tourism.

      • Scott Harriman

        They actually sold four licenses — one couple did not get married.

        • ChuckGG

          Well, that’s a start. It is Bangor, after all, not the “big city” of Portland and all their fancy ways, ayuh!

          Still, that is 4 more than when I was a young lad.

    • Anonymous

      And i would love to know why the $200 marriage fee was waived in Bangor?

      • Scott Harriman

        If you had read the article you would have known it was due to the generosity of “eight volunteer notaries public”.

    • pete

      Where was Nurse Gilligan??

    • Anonymous

      Nothing — it wasn’t open at midnight.

    • Tedlick Badkey

      What did it cost gay citizens for decades for not being able to marry? I know of one couple in NY that it cost over $300,000… I’m thinking it didn’t cost City Hall near that much.

    • Anonymous

      or you could ask, how much money will the state of maine take in with the new marriage licenses?

    • Anonymous

      Why I bet they would marry you at midnight in a SSM ceremony, if you really asked nicely.

    • pete

      Did Gilligan tie the knot too ??

    • Scott Harriman

      According to the article, they opened at 6am, not midnight.

  • Anonymous

    New storm drain fees came out this week.

    • Tedlick Badkey

      We don’t have storm drains. Now I’m happy.

  • Anonymous

    Notice one of the three couples do not even live here. One does not want to be identified. So glad $u$$man promoted this. Is the BGN going to be owned by him as well.

    • Anonymous

      I’m not sure what significance you attach to the fact that one of the couples lives out-of-state and another didn’t want to be identified. I’m guessing you’re just grasping for things to fuss about, because there is no significance.

    • Tedlick Badkey

      People from out of state wed here all the time.

      No big deal.

  • Anonymous

    If the government were out of marriage all those benefits and 1100+ laws for married couples would be gone leading to less government intrusion in our lives. I don’t believe that being married is any reason to get extra benefits. I do believe in
    less government intrusion.

    Marriage should be a non-issue since no one would need permission
    from the government to marry and no one would be getting extra benefits
    to which singles are not entitled.

    The referendum should have been about ending marriage in the legal sense and getting the government out of the marriage business.

    • Anonymous

      My sentiments EXACTLY! Why people can not see this for what it is. Oh, I know now, it would take thought, and not emotion.

      • WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot

        I agree completely with you and gambler16, and I’ve posted this several times before, but the concept is way over most folk’s heads.

        • Anonymous

          Some just don’t get it. Look at David’s reply to me below. He just does not understand that all those laws would be non-issues with the government butting out of marriage laws as well as other laws that simply are intrusion that should not exist by the government over-extending itself in our lives.

      • Anonymous

        It is great to see that others realize what a sham the laws are in terms of government intrusion and the promotion of inequality.

    • Anonymous

      The referendum wasn’t about that, I suspect, because there is likely very little support for it. If you think otherwise, start a petition drive; that’s generally how these things get started.

      • Anonymous

        Perhaps I will. Perhaps it is time for a large organization to push for equality in terms of benefits for all, not some.

    • David

      the reason that doesn’t happen is because many of those government benefits are quite nice.
      For instance if you are in a comma, it allows your spouse to make decisions for you in your place.
      Or if you and your partner adopt or have a child related by blood to only one of you, and one of you die, the other is allowed to keep custody rather than having them taken away.
      More or less, the reason for marriage benefits is because it makes life a hell of a lot easier and protects you in many financial and legal manners.

      • Anonymous

        Obviously, we would not need these benefits and laws if there were no marriage as dictated by the government. Would there?

        • David

          If there were no marriages how would things such a spousal healthcare be organized? How would you prove someone is qualified to make health decisions for you in your absence? If you die what’s to stop them from taking your children from your partner?

          • Anonymous

            You are kidding, right? We would still make our own directives and not include what the government dictates. I would choose and it would not be chosen based on some marriage. Just like you leave a will, your will can be done regarding children, etc. Sign a paper—get it notarized—done, through, over with. Why do I need to follow the government regarding all the marriage laws when I can make individual choice without government intrusion.

          • David

            Seems reasonable then, good luck on your movement attempt.

          • Anonymous

            The answers to your questions are living wills, medical power of attorney, and adoption. People who are not married have access to those. Many hetero couples choose not to get married but still do these things to protect each other.

          • Anonymous

            Joint adoption is not accessible to same-gender couples in many states. Certain protections also would not be so easy to implement w/o some sort of state-recognized relationship. E.g., ERISA requires that, if a company offers spousal health benefits, they are required to do it in a fair and equitable manner. They can’t offer it to Christians and deny it to Jews. They can’t offer it to whites and deny it to blacks. They currently can offer it to employees in straight relationships but deny it to those in same-gender relationships. To totally get government out of the situation, you’d have to require that any employer that offers health benefits to straight married couples be required to offer it to any one person of the employees choice … which, by and large is not any different from recognizing both straight and gay civil marriage, except it would likely add significantly to employer benefit costs. Likewise for things like social-security survivor benefits … one could open it up to any individual of a person’s choice, regardless of gender and age … but that would greatly increase the government payout.

            All of which is pretty much irrelevant, because I simply don’t believe that there are that many married couples that would favor giving up the benefits and protections of marriage. You’d have to make a pretty open/shut argument that the reasons behind civil marriage benefits … which is to promote the health and stability of families (and all the mental, physical, and social benefits that have been established by social scientists) … are totally bogus.

    • Anonymous

      Start a petition and form a grassroots campaign.

      • Anonymous

        I would get the government out of a lot of things, marriage would be one. Think about all you go through in terms of asking, “May I?” And, then realize that it is all about more money/fees/licenses/ etc. than it is about what is good for us. And, it is about hiring more and more people to do pencil pushing jobs which are basically jobs which do not produce anything. I am not dissing all federal, state, local public jobs, but a lot could be scrapped and we would not even notice.

    • ChuckGG

      That ship has sailed. No calling it back. The currently married couples, straight & gay, would revolt. You suggestion would screw up about every aspect of being married from a financial and security viewpoint. Divorce could not be settled in secular court as no contract (legal marriage) would exist. What about ex-spouses and survivor benefits? What about custody rights of surviving children? The list is endless. Legal marriage is a contract in the eyes of the court. Eliminate this and it is a free-for-all in the court system, if these issues ever hit the court system.

      All this B.S. about “government intrusion.” Talk about “cult of conspiracy.” Believe me, you overrate yourself. The government does not give a hoot about what the average citizen does.

      • Anonymous

        You must love having the government tell you exactly what to do. Good for you. Not everyone shares your joy. My suggestion is a good one. One which you can’t seem to fathom. Get rid of the nonsense of licensing marriage and the government telling us who can marry. Those who choose to share assets, etc could still do whatever, but they would not get the monetary benefits which now favor married couples. Why should marriage determine how many benefits to which a citizen is entitled? I believe it is you who over-rates yourself and your ideas. Without all the laws, we would not need to be in court as you believe we would. Get the government out of the marriage business and get rid of all the perks that benefit those who are married. Grandfather marriages which already exist but get rid of the benefits of it. Give all citizens the same benefits. Marriage should never determine that some are entitled to more than others. The problem is too many believe they need someone to spell everything out for them and make all their decisions for them.

        • ChuckGG

          Hardly. The point I was trying to make was right in the first sentence. That ship has sailed. I do not see how, on a global basis, there is any chance of implementing your plan, grandfathered or not. There is no movement for it. People are not interested in it. There is no groundswell to support it.

          Now, if you wish to be married in a church, or under an apple tree, for that matter, without having obtained a state-issued marriage license, you certainly are free to do so. No one is going to stop you. You can do as you wish, and setup any documents and agreements you so wish, or none at all, between you and your spouse(s). Then, it is up to you to maneuver any legal issues should those occur.

          But, as I said, I see no interest from the public in your proposal. I encourage you to get a petition going or some kind of movement and see where it takes you. It’s a free country. Good luck.

          • Anonymous

            The real point is that citizens in some countries are conditioned into believing that they must follow the laws even if the laws are not really in their best interests. Government has extended itself into things which government should not be into. Some day there will be a movement to take back rights which have been eroded. It WAS a free country—-

  • Superuser23

    I pepper sprayed my eyes first, then grabbed a Brillo pad to clean them

    • WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot

      I’m glad I didn’t have a mouth full of soda when I read your post! LOL!!!

      • Superuser23

        You don’t realize how hard I am trying to get the device they used in Men in Black to erase memory….it couldn’t come any sooner!

      • Anonymous

        I am sure you are something to brag about…not!

      • Anonymous

        Milk can come out your nose , if you are not careful.

  • Anonymous

    how disgusting

    • Anonymous

      Grow up.

    • Tedlick Badkey

      Then why are you here little one?

      • Anonymous

        I always wonder that too. It indicates they have some real unresolved issues.

  • Anonymous

    Ummm … you taking a dump is not the first time such a thing has happened in Maine, it is not that uncommon, and it is not a milestone in a hotly-debated civil-rights struggle. And posting the same dumb comment twice doesn’t make it any less dumb.

  • Anonymous

    Speaking of a huge steaming pile of s***…….

  • Anonymous

    I got married years ago! Why wasn’t my picture posted? Sorry, no offense intended, but this really isn’t news. Many of us voted for gay marriage because we thought it was fair that everyone should marry the person they love. I’m not sure we need their wedding photos though, nor do we need straight folks wedding photos either.

    • David

      Because your wedding wasn’t the first of it’s kind to take place after the historic passage of legislation.

    • Anonymous

      And yet here you are only complaining when it’s gay couples. Guess what — this IS news. We’re the first state to legalize this through popular vote alone — that’s a big deal. For these couples who have been waiting years and decades for this — it’s a big deal.

  • Anonymous

    So BDN-We avoid reading the articles , but have to look at the front page of 2 men kissing? Come on!

    • David

      Does it make you uncomfortable to see two men kissing, what about a man and a woman? I assume you have a sex life, do you refuse to kiss entirely? I think not.

    • Anonymous

      Quit whining.

      • Anonymous

        I will not! It’s SO GROSS, and I don’t want to see it.

        • Anonymous

          LOL, it’s gross! Grow up.

          • Anonymous

            I’ll grow up when you shut up. BDN, take it off the front page!

          • David

            Your prejudice is showing, you should be ashamed.

          • Anonymous

            which one is it?

            bigotry or prejudice?

            any other insults you’d like to throw around while we’re at it?

          • David

            Sure, you’re ignorance is showing too.

            Point remains, if you think there is something wrong with gay marriage you are speaking from a position of ignorance and prejudice, there is no way around that fact.

            However you have the right to feel that way, just as I have to right point you out as the shame on humanity that you are.

          • Anonymous

            ah, got it.
            it’s “bigotry, prejudice, and ignorance”

            anything else?

        • OronoMom72

          Don’t look!!!

        • Anonymous

          It wouldn’t be gross if you wouldn’t imagine one of them to be yourself. I’m sorry your parent taught you that there are wrong kinds of love.

        • JW

          Your comment is gross, but I can live with seeing it.

        • Guest

          Don’t look at the pictures.

        • Bob Conti

          Did you stomp your little foot and clutch your pearls when you wrote that?

  • Anonymous

    To those whining about the Saturday marriages — you could have gotten married today too. Difference is, this is the FIRST time they could get married. Quit screaming victim and acting like you’ve been discriminated against. You know nothing about it especially compared to what gays have dealt with over the years.

    • Anonymous

      They all could have married prior to today.

      • Anonymous

        A gay couple could not get married until today. I know Republicans like you love lying and spinning the facts, but gay people could not marry the ones they love until today. Period.

  • Anonymous

    I agree

  • Anonymous

    Just plain gross!!! I am outa here!!

    • maineiac123

      Heading for a red state? Or another country because eventually all states will have SSM. :)

  • Anonymous

    Congratulations!!

  • Anonymous

    Whats Obama Think??? Is he helping out in any way since he got your votes all ready.. first 4 years I didn’t hear a peep out of him trying to get it passed federally.. That way you can get all the benies that come with marriage.. I think Obama hates you.

    • Anonymous

      Wrong. Either you’re misinformed or you’re lying. Obama has helped tremendously in this, particularly in refusing to defend unconstitutional laws like DOMA, repealing DADT and submitting amicus briefs to courts in favor of striking down DOMA.

      Your thoughts don’t seem to be worth much at all.

      • maineiac123

        How dare you categorize pushtheredbuttons commens as thoughts?

  • Anonymous

    Can heterosexual couples be married today?Just wondering………..

    • Anonymous

      Obviously yes.

      • Anonymous

        at midnight? in city hall?
        or would heterosexual couples be turned away and told to “wait until business hours”
        ?

        • If that really worries you then you understand what gay couples have experienced for generations, however you’re reaching for straws, when city hall is open, it’s open for everyone. You should have gone and licensed your dog at midnight but why would you?

        • maineiac123

          Yes, MrBigot, at midnight in city hall even straight couples could have been married but I don’t think any showed up.

          • Anonymous

            you have yet to point out anywhere in any of my posts where i am a bigot.
            hurl insults all you want though, it doesn’t help your cause or credibility.

        • Scott Harriman

          Not at midnight because city hall didn’t open until 6am.

    • Anonymous

      If the office is open, both straight and gay couples can be married … just as was the case the other night.

  • Anonymous

    Charlie Longo made more Facebook posts about it than people who actually got married. Sorry Charlie it wasn’t about you.

  • SpookyFoxMulder

    There is a plus side to homosexual “marriage”. No matter how hard they try, they will not be able to procreate and have natural offspring (like a normal hetrosexual married couple) because they will not have the right combination of “tools” to do so. So sad that they will not have all the benefits of the true hetrosexual married couples. Without the ability to reproduce amongst themselves, their gene pool may have a difficulty of survival. Happy New Year to the 47%.

    • Anonymous

      Straight people create gay people — use your brain here.

    • ChuckGG

      You are still dragging out that old argument when many straight couples marry who are infertile or past their reproductive lives or choose not to have children? Since when is the basis for civil marriage the ability to procreate?

      • SpookyFoxMulder

        Never said that procreation was (or should be) a basis for civil marriage for anyone whether it be hetrosexuals or homosexuals. As stated previously, I am glad that the later group do not have the right combination of “tools” to do so. This is the plus side to homosexual “marriage”.

        • Anonymous

          Still a dumb comment as it assumes that (1) homosexuals don’t have children (they have in the past and will continue to do so through things like IVF and surrogacy) and (2) sexual orientation is purely genetic (when it actually has been considered for a while to also depend … perhaps most strongly … on intrauterine environment).

          • ChuckGG

            I might also mention those who were in the closet and were married in a heterosexual relationship. I don’t see that so much these days but I know of many, many gays and lesbians, older than I, who had children the old-fashioned way and then later came out of the closet.

            And, I do not find fault with them. I was part of the beginnings of the Gay Rights movement in the 1970’s and have always been out. The idea that some self-righteous, bible-thumping nutbar could tell me how to live my life was simply not going to happen.

            But, many who came of age in the 1950’s and before (but especially in the 1950’s) were quite literally, and rightly, terrified of “these feelings” and with no one around to speak to about them, opted for traditional marriage in a hopes for a “cure.” I remember many older friends telling about how they spent years at a shrink trying to rid themselves of these “unnatural feelings.” Throw in those who were involved in some of the extremely oppressive and dogmatic religions, who not only feared societal ostracization but now faced eternal damnation, and you had people who came out at age 70+, or even not at all. What a horror to live that way! I certainly knew, and know, many of them.

            Well, thankfully, those days are well behind us. I had the opportunity to meet and work with some of the gay liberation pioneers back in the 1980’s. Once there was better communications and a common enemy (the Religious Right and Anita Bryant come to mind), gays and lesbians realized they were fed up and were not going to take it any longer. I also remember in 1980 when I was a Notary being approached by a gay couple who wanted to marry. I told them if they could get the license, I would officiate the ceremony. Even back then, gay couples wanted to marry and for the reasons of love and commitment.

            We have come a long way. I am so happy to see kids in high school coming out, being open, and taking their dates to the high-school prom – all the things I wanted to do but could not do in 1973. To imagine that civil marriage is here, at least in 9 states and DC, is just more than I could ever have hoped for. Once DOMA goes away and SCOTUS rules, we finally will have equality and equal access for all.

          • Anonymous

            And to speak to the original point, I suspect that while fewer gay people will be having children as the result of inevitably-doomed straight relationships — I also know of some of those personally — there will likely be even more having kids through IVF and surrogacy.

          • ChuckGG

            Very likely that will be the case. But, I would also add there is not a relationship between births and straight marriage. There are plenty of births as a result of unwed couples and single mothers. Gone are the days of “illegitimate” births (socially speaking). So, we may see a number of adoptions going on, as well. I know a number of gay and straight couples who have gone that route.

          • SpookyFoxMulder

            And your comment is a dumb response because I never assumed that homosexual couples do not have children. (You pro-gayers like to read more into the comments than what is actually stated). Of course they have children, but not through natural procreation like a man and a woman.

            As I wrote before, they do not have the proper “tools” to make it happen. I hope I don’t have to explain exactly what I mean about the “tools” but think about how many times you have heard about a male impregnating another male and that impregnated male having a baby. Or how many times has a female naturally impregnated another female which results in the birth of a baby? The fact of the matter is they can not reproduce (by themselves) natural offspring. So sad…

          • Anonymous

            Sorry … your comment is still dumb because, adoption aside, the ways same-gender couples have children still involve passing on genetic information from one of them. And likewise still dumb because you didn’t address the second point at all. And it’s not really all that sad that they can’t produce offspring without the aid of medical science. That is true of many straight couples. And really, as amazing and fantastic and cool as it is to bring a child into the world — my wife and I have had three — the real reward is in the raising … which is something same-gender couples are perfectly able to do.

        • ChuckGG

          I guess no one informed you, but gay people have been around forever. So, someone is producing all the gay people, and as long as they are, I guess we will be around for awhile. It is interesting the percentage of the population seems to remain about constant.

          BTW, you can dispense with the “shock quotes” when it comes to homosexual “marriage.” If you do so, I will promise to stop using them to refer to these holier-than-thou, anti-gay, anti-SSM, “Christians.” Deal?

          • SpookyFoxMulder

            No Deal! I don’t tell you how to write and I would appreciate the same courtesy.

            I include quotation marks when referring to “marriage” between same sex couples as an abstract meaning of the word. The traditional meaning of marriage is between a man and a woman, and not between a man and a man, or a woman and a woman.

            BTW Christians are not the only group who oppose same sex “marriage”

          • ChuckGG

            Sorry, I cannot extend that courtesy.

            Your statement: “The traditional meaning of marriage is between a man and a woman, and not between a man and a man, or a woman and a woman.”

            Perhaps, but the legal definition of marriage, which is only what this is about, is that marriage now includes M:M, M:F, and F:F. The law is now blind to the genders of the participants in all legal, secular, civil marriages. There is nothing abstract about it.

            Your church may continue to define “marriage” anyway it so chooses. It’s a free country and that right is guaranteed to ALL churches by our First Amendment.

            As far as “Christians” not being the only group who oppose same-sex marriage? Well, at least they have an excuse – the doctrine drilled into them by their particular flavor of religion tells them this.

            Anyone else against same-sex marriage? As there are no legitimate or legal reasons against it, I can only presume their reasons are similar to those against inter-racial marriage – prejudice and bigotry. What other reasons exist?

          • SpookyFoxMulder

            Oh, I must have missed the change to the legal definition of marriage to also include homosexuals. When, where, and under what court ruling did this happen? Is your “legal” definition applicable in only the ten (10) States (like Maine) that allow same sex couples to wed, or is it now Federal Law applicable to the entire Country? Ten (10) States out of fifty (50) – (or is it fifty-seven (57) States?) is a very small minority to warrant the changing of the age-old definition of marriage between a man and a woman.

          • Anonymous

            The legal definition of marriage is, to some extent, a matter decided at the state level … as long as state civil-marriage laws comply with the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment. The legal definition in Maine … which is what this article about … was changed to include homosexuals in the November elections. I’m surprised you missed it … it was all over the news.

          • ChuckGG

            I am surprised at how unaware you are of the law. Civil marriage has always been defined by the individual State. The Federal government, for the most part, has gone along with each State’s definition. There have been some notable exceptions when it came to polygamy and very young ages but in modern times the Feds have accepted whatever each State defined as legally married. Frankly, they are pretty close.

            The exception to this arose in 1996 when DOMA came into being. This was created as a wedge issue for the GOP and to rally the religious conservatives.

            This was the first time (as far as I can recall) when the Feds intervened in States Rights when it came to the definition of marriage. As you know, DOMA does not allow the Federal government to recognize same-sex marriages even if those marriages are legal in the State in which they occurred. DOMA went on to stipulate that States need not recognize same-sex marriages that lawfully occurred in other States, in contrast to opposite-sex marriages which are required to be recognized under Article IV, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution. As you probably are aware, aspects of DOMA are scheduled for constitutional review in 2013 by SCOTUS. Two or three Circuit courts have ruled parts of DOMA to be unconstitutional (little surprise there).

            This process of a state-by-state adoption of same-sex marriage is not unlike the process in the 1960’s for inter-racial marriage. It, too, was a state-by-state adoption until 1967 when the Loving v. Commonwealth of Virginia case was heard by SCOTUS. In that 9 to 0 (that’s right, 9 to zero) ruling, the Supreme Court deemed Virginia’s law prohibiting inter-racial marriage was unconstitutional. Of course, the ruling then applied to all States.

            It is expected same-sex marriage will take a similar path and will eventually be the law of the land.

            To correct you on the numbers – SSM is legal in 9 States and the District of Columbia (which is not a State, of course). I am unsure where you came up with 57 States. There are 57 herbs & spices in Heinz Ketchup. Last I checked, it was Alaska and Hawaii making up the 49th and 50th States. Canada is de facto the 51st State but don’t tell them that – they have no sense of humor.

            Yes, it is a small minority of States right now but it was for inter-racial marriage, voting rights for blacks, and for women’s right to vote in 1920. Everything takes time and so will same-sex marriage. Age-old definitions eventually change as they have for a wide variety of topics – three of which I just mentioned.

            Once again, this has zero to do with any religious marriage ceremonies. Those may continue unabated regardless of what the law allows for civil marriages.

            You said you missed the court ruling? Well, in Maine it was not a court ruling but a vote by 53% of the voters. In some other States it was a court ruling and in yet others (NY comes to mind) it was passed by the Legislature and enacted into law. In fact, this past November Maine passed SSM by popular vote, the first ever to do so. Maryland and Washington State passed SSM by a popular vote confirmation of a Legislative action. It all varies from State to State but ultimately it gets on the books and that is what makes it all legal.

            The laws, by the way, remove the same-gender restriction rather than say specifically that homosexuals may marry. The law first states what marriage is and then says who may not participate as it is presumed in the USA that people are allowed to do whatever they wish except where prohibited by law. Our laws are more geared with that assumption. There is no law needed saying you are allowed to build a cabin in the woods and be left alone, but there is no law saying you cannot, either. Therefore, it is permitted.

            This is quite a contrast to some other countries and shows the freedoms we enjoy in the USA.

        • Tedlick Badkey

          No need… folks like you give birth to gay folks all the time.

    • Tedlick Badkey

      And another fool…

      Sweetie, we’ve always been here. We always will be.

      • SpookyFoxMulder

        Babe, I’d rather be a straight fool than a gay hipster doofus.

        • Tedlick Badkey

          Good for you, sweetie.

    • Scott Harriman

      “Without the ability to reproduce amongst themselves, their gene pool may have a difficulty of survival.”

      Don’t worry, straight people produce gay offspring all the time!

  • Anonymous

    Take that big dump on Main Street and it will be news.

  • You would not be a nice person if you poked at some ignorant caged animal with a long pole. There are laws against such things.

    But editors are able to enrage red-neck readers for the entertainment those who are amused by most any inarticulate reply. There ought to be a law…

    The humble Farmer

    • Tedlick Badkey

      If covering state news, and this really is big state news, enrages the mouth-breathers, good.

      I am proud to be a redneck, and this didn’t enrage me one bit.

  • Tedlick Badkey

    And I’m sure you focus on that a lot Jackie Boy…

  • Guest

    Isn’t this sweet…..

  • Anonymous

    To all you gay couples…. you wanted this for a long while, have worked hard to get it and now you have it… BUT be careful what you wish for as it may come back to bite you. Once the “basking in the glow” diminishes and you realize you don’t have to “hide” any longer and you discover that marriage isn’t what it is cracked up to be after all, it will be interesting to see who the first couple will be to head for the divorce court and all that entails. But good luck to y’all anyway!

    • Anonymous

      Many of the couples in the story have been together for a number of years. Now they’re legally married. My kids said to me once, “almost half of all marriages end in divorce.” I replied, “And more than half believe in marriage and are still together. That’s what matters.”

  • East of Chamberlain Lake in th

    What a great day for the City of Bangor and a great day for all of us who believe in equal opportunity for all. This is a milestone that we will all look back on and wonder why it took so come about.

  • Anonymous

    I wonder if they’d open city hall at midnight for straight couples looking to get married.

    equality at its best i suppose.

    • Tedlick Badkey

      If they’d been banned form it for over 200 years, sure.

      Not to mention they were open for them this morning.

      • Anonymous

        why does it matter if it’s been banned or not?
        if we’re all on the same playing field now and have completely equal rights, then why were these people given special privileges not available to the rest of the citizens?

        I do believe that constitutes as discrimination against heterosexual couples that would have liked to have been married at midnight in city hall.

        • Tedlick Badkey

          Dude, folks volunteered for this… it’s not that big a deal.

          I pay for things with taxes all the time I don’t like.

          Discrimination would have been if it weren’t open to all couples… which it was. Anyone could have.
          Poor little thing…

          • Anonymous

            so who’s footing the bill for city hall to be open?

    • Why would they need to when straight couples could have gone at their leisure any business day of 2012. And why would straight couples want to get married at midnight if they had another choice in 2012?

      What ails you? Try to be happy for people.

    • maineiac123

      If straight couples had shown up to get a license, then yes they would have. You speak of equaltiy yet you would ban SSM. Bit hypocritical aren’t you?

  • Anonymous

    See the special allowance made “Though the Orono Town Office was not open on Saturday, the couple was able to obtain a marriage license from Town Manager Sophie Wilson.” Baldacci, guess he does not go to Church, maybe the Catholic Church will do what it has to do.

    • Tedlick Badkey

      Wahhhhhhhhh! (inhale… inhale…) wahhhhhhhhh!

  • Tedlick Badkey

    Today has been wonderful… in addition to getting my ice fishing paraphernalia sorted out, I get to watch sad-sacks. it couldn’t have been better!

  • Anonymous

    All that hype for just 3 to show up.

    • Anonymous

      Don’t you feel foolish for opposing our equality so much?

  • Anonymous

    well hey, since we’re on the path of rewriting societal norms, if having homosexual relations and marriage is okay now, why not allow incest?
    If you’re all about “marriage equality” then why not extend it to everyone? after all, according to everyone, “love is love”, marriage for all.

    • Tedlick Badkey

      Incest leads to child deformities… but in Maine, you can marry your first cousin, is that close enough?

      • Anonymous

        well, just ban them from having kids then.
        they’d be on the same playing field as homosexual couples.

        (note, i’m not advocating for incest, merely pointing out the ridiculous argument that has been used by the libs.)

        • Tedlick Badkey

          It’s not ridiculous at all… it is impossible from banning folks from having kids.

        • Anonymous

          The fact that you’ve rendered such an absurdly oversimplified and distorted version of the argument for SSM means you’ve actually pointed out nothing.

        • maineiac123

          So you prefer your bigoted and hate-filled argument instead?

          • Anonymous

            I must have missed the part of my post that was “bigoted”

            perhaps you could point it out.

    • Anonymous

      Tell yeah what…go gather the signatures and the rest of us can vote on it.

    • Anonymous

      People who support incest are certainly welcome to make their case, but it’s not nearly as strong. For one thing, it raises serious social issues about the psychological healthfulness of the relationships and potential genetic deformities of offspring. Perhaps more importantly, I don’t believe there is much in the way of evidence to support the notion that there are people that are able to enter into healthy, successful marriages ONLY with people they are biologically related to. There is a lot of evidence that homosexuals are able to enter into such marriages ONLY with people of the same gender … in fact, that is one of the defining characteristics of homosexuals … which makes it a much more fundamental form of discrimination.

    • There are places where you will be happier. . . but they do not include nine US States and the nations of Argentina, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, Iceland, Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, South Africa, Spain, Sweden, and New Zealand. Soon all US states will legalize Gay Marriage.

      Shall I list the nations where you might be happier?

    • Anonymous

      Americans ALL know what “polygamy” really means. We learned it during the trial of the leader of the vast majority of the “polygamists” in America, Warren Jeffs, who is now in prison for criminal child sexual assault. Jeffs pretended to “marry” some barely post-pubescent girl. In the morning, after he had his “fun,” he bundled these children off to the welfare office. LEGAL MARRIAGE would have impeded his welfare scam.

      Anti-gays know there is NO real comparison between loving, committed same gender American couples and the crimes of criminal child sexual assault and welfare fraud, they just repeat that LIE again and again in an attempt to demean, demonize and dehumanize loving, committed same gender American couples.

      Fail…

  • Tedlick Badkey

    Oops… dupe.

  • good luck to all the people that is getting married

  • Anonymous

    why is this paper so gay mabee the whole office is gay WOW

    • Tedlick Badkey

      Uh huh…

      If it helps you sleep at night, you keep on believin’.

    • Anonymous

      Joe does you mommy know you are using her computer?

  • Anonymous

    I can only imagine how p-offed the the t-bers are.

    • Anonymous

      You don’t know what you are talking about.. Divide and concur, Right?

  • maineiac123

    Congratulations to all of them and to the thousands that will be joining them in every state eventually.

  • Sharon & John H-W

    Yeah! We are so proud to be Mainers today and be able to be part of this justice towards all people. We celebrate our 12th anniversary today as a hetrosexual couple and are so happy that all people in the State of Maine are able to celebrate in the matrimony of marriage. God Bless you all who are able to be as happy as we are in wedded bliss.. Oh and we feel so sorry for all of those who are so homophobic…must be terrible to be so insecure about your own identity!!!

  • Old Bear

    How come they did not get married in a church. Could not fined one that agrees about the gays and hays or the adams and gev. Its totally wrong.

    • Tedlick Badkey

      Don’t need one.

      For anything.

      • Guest

        Got that right.

    • Anonymous

      There are dozens of churches in Maine that are gay-affirming; it took me all of 20 seconds to find a United Church of Christ congregation in Bangor that I suspect would perform such a ceremony. It’s actually not hard to find such congregations in many states. (I’ve been to one such wedding in a Presbyterian church in D.C.) If these couples didn’t have a church wedding, it’s because they chose not to, not because they couldn’t find one. Keep in mind that the Episcopal Church, the Presbyterian Church (USA), the largest US Lutheran denomination (ELCA), the two largest US Jewish groups (Reformed and Conservative, accounting for over 80% of American Jews), the UCC, the Unitarian/Univeralists, and others all allow consecration of same-gender relationships and/or the ordination of clergy in such relationships.

    • Anonymous

      These denominations will marry same gender couples in 9 US States and the District of Columbia, and have married them in California:

      The Association of Welcoming and Affirming Baptists
      The Episcopal Church
      Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
      Metropolitan Community Church
      Conservative Judaism
      Reform Judaism
      Religious Society of Friends (Quakers)
      Unitarian Universalist Church
      United Church of Christ

      Recently, The Presbyterian Church (USA) voted to accept LGBT ministers, and they expect to marry same gender couples next year. The Association of Unity Churches International is discussing same gender marriage. In some parts of the U.S., Methodist pastors have been marrying same-sex couples or conducting blessing ceremonies for same-sex unions for years with little fanfare and no backlash from the denomination. Calls to overturn the rule have become increasingly vocal in recent years, ratcheting up the pressure for the Methodist church to join other mainline Protestant denominations that have become more accepting of openly gay leaders.

      These denominations all agree with modern Biblical scholars, who have proven the Bible was intentionally mistranslated relatively recently to provide “Biblical cover” for rising levels of homophobia.

      • Anonymous

        Please include Foundry United Methodist Church of Washington, DC and other UM congregations where SSM is legal to your list. At this time, no UM minister has been sanctioned by any UM Conference.

  • I will never support these marriages.

    • Tedlick Badkey

      Good for you honey… nobody needs you.

    • Anonymous

      53% of Mainer voters DO support us. Who cares what you think!

    • maineiac123

      You know the good thing is you don’t have to support them. The law is quite adequate in doing that.

    • David Sylvester

      Marriages? They’re not marriages.

  • David Sylvester

    They’re not married. It’s just a game they’re playing.

    • Tedlick Badkey

      Can’t find anyone to put up with you?

      How sad… how sad indeed.

  • Anonymous

    Quite frankly, the only thing that bothers me about this video is that awful singing. I’m sorry, but it’s really bad.

  • Anonymous

    Congratulations to the newlyweds and soon to be weds! Don’t pay attention to the petty comments of small minded individuals. No matter what negative things you hear from that minority, know that an historic election proved that the greater majority of us believe in your love and your right to have it recognized.

  • Anonymous

    The United States Constitution guarantees “Equal Protection Under the Law,” but “Homebake” tells us he voted to SUBVERT the United States Constitution. Isn’t that why this was a secret vote, so the anti-gays could HIDE their shameful vote against the United States Constitution? I can only assume anti-gays are not Americans when they attack our Constitution that way.

  • Anonymous

    I see, you say you tried to SUBVERT the United States Constitution? Tell us, did you violate Maine’s campaign finance laws to throw the vote also? We know for a fact anti-gays did that the last time. Remember, your pals at NOM violated Maine laws in 2009, says the Maine Ethics Commission.

    • Homebake Aaron Myrtle

      Honestly when did i say i was apart of NOMn my post. I understand the fact you might think i am apart of NOM but however I am just a person that speaks what I think and honestly im truthly to my own thoughts and morals. As soon to be parent I dont want my child to subjected to guys kissing guys and girls on girls.

      • Millicent

        and what if your child(ren) is gay?

  • Jazz11

    Now we can settle down, just like the good folks in Massachusetts did years ago. Nothing new any longer. As a city clerk said, Marriage is marriage, there is no straight or gay on the certificate, only marriage”.

  • Anonymous

    3 marriages? So much for the huge economic boom…….so how much money was spent on this whole gay marriage issue in the last 6 years? Just so a couple of hand full of couples can tie the knot? Its no wonder our countries economy is in the tank, when we through millions upon millions away on an issue that only effects a minutia of the population.

    • Anonymous

      The number of same-gender couples that will be married as a result of the law is far, far higher than “a couple of hand full” … another lie from you. As for the costs associated with passing this law … why do you attribute that only to the people that were in favor of it. Between the fact that nobody has been able to come up with a scientifically- and constitutionally-valid, non-religious reason in opposition to the law, not to mention the inevitability of this law based on demographics and historical trends, puts the blame for the drawn-out nature of this debate and the associated high costs on the shoulders of those who opposed the law change. And FYI … homosexuals typically have a great many friends and family members in their lives who love and respect them and are personally affected when those people are discriminated against. This does not affect only a minutia of the population.

    • Tedlick Badkey

      Many of us are waiting… waiting to invite family and friends to share our big day.

      I’m certain you won’t be invited to anything…

    • Scott Harriman

      A “couple of hand full[s][sic]” of gay couples may have gotten married on the first day, but there are many more days ahead.

      Some people prefer larger ceremonies that their friends and family can attend. Wait until next summer.

  • Anonymous

    After reading the blathering from people who are all in favor for this abomination of marriage. Its very clear what the motivation behind gay marriage is…..its all about money. Gays just wanted a tax break. So much for equality…now singles are being discriminated against in the tax code for not being married.

    • Anonymous

      There are reasons why the state provides certain benefits and protections to couples, based on well-established connections between stable, long-term relationships and the health and well-being of the individuals involved, as well as any children they may be raising … factors that benefit society as a whole. You can debate whether those purposes are being well-served by civil marriage laws, but don’t act as if there are no rationales behind them. Same-gender couples just want to be treated equally when it comes to those civil benefits and protections because the reasons for them apply just as well to them as to straight couples … and the 14th Amendment gives them that right to equal treatment. As for your statement that “now” singles are being treated differently, that has always been the case (for the reasons I state above) … your assertion that is something that has just happened “now” is a lie.

    • Tedlick Badkey

      It shows how ignorant you are… it will be a tax PENALTY for me.

      You have no idea what marriage is, do you?

  • Old Bear

    O boy some more Pee Wee Hermon running around.

    • Tedlick Badkey

      Sorry sweetie… he’s one of you.

  • Anonymous

    A lot have missed the point here: We were fed the line that a lot of people wanted this, that there would be lines just waiting for it to be legal!

    Now the best they can do is 3???? Oh yea, they were just lined up to get married – three deep!

    • County Escapee

      Who but the most ardent are going to rush city hall at midnite?
      Kinda hard to get a wedding party together at that hour….

    • Anonymous

      Bangor was not the only place that had people married. It shouldn’t matter if it was three or one couple who actually got married on the first day it was legal….people deserve the same rights as anyone else. We have several friends who are getting married in the spring and summer here in their home state. This doesn’t affect my spouse or me and we are happy for anyone who wants to get married and now can like we did.

    • Anonymous

      A bit odd if that’s really the point, as I don’t recall anybody ever claiming that there would lines waiting at midnight of the first day this happened. And really, it was never a matter of huge numbers … it’s a matter of equal treatment under the law for a minority. So either I’ve missed something in all the myriad stories I’ve read about why this was important, or you are making something up that is designed to be easy to attack … but also untrue.

    • Anonymous

      So what is your personal threshold for which fellow Mainers are deserving of equal treatment under our laws?

  • seriously people- just let them be.

  • Anonymous

    Yes same sex couples have now been married in Maine and contrary to some people’s beliefs the world didn’t stop or end and no one’s marriage or lives have been destroyed. Congratulations to all the couples who were married on the first day in Maine. Equality is for everyone.

  • USAF Veteran

    LOL LOL LOL LOL !!

  • Anonymous

    Tidd and Beckett, who wore matching plaid shirts and jeans and miniature ruby red slippers pins, OMG weren’t they the couple featured recently on SNL. I thought the skit was a joke, guess I was wrong.

  • Anonymous

    AWESOME!!! May they all have many happy years together! It’s about time!

  • Don

    BDN didnt need to show a pic of two gay men kissing call me old fashion but I dont need it shoved down my throat that its ok . what people do behind their closed doors is their biz not mine.

    • Anonymous

      Shoved down your throat? No more than if it were a picture of two hetrosexuals kissing. These are simple expressions of love.

      -J

  • Anonymous

    Nothing like opening your morning paper ,and thorowing your breakfast up seing a couple guys kissing passionately.

    • Anonymous

      Your poor, fragile sensibilities.

  • Anonymous

    I wish these couples a long life of love! Ignore the closed minded comments, they aren’t worth it :) And no I am not gay I am very Heterosexual!

  • I voted for this law to give gays the same rights as I have. Having the City Hall opened special hours is not only special rights, it’s pandering to a special interest group and that is never a good thing.

  • Dr. Cowboy

    The first couple denotes that that they were from California and made the trip to get married (yes one was raised in Bangor) I thought the law was for residents (whether gay or not) only. How do you get around that?

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