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  • Anonymous

    Why wasn’t this piece of crap still in prison for killing his grandmother with a hammer?

    • The Great White Hope

      Exactly can’t believe he only served 17 years for killing his grandmother with a hammer. Apparently Maine isn’t the only state with soft sentencing.
      .

      • maineiac123

        Had he been found guilty of murder he most likely would still be in prison. He wasn’t so it was not a soft sentence.

      • Anonymous

        “Soft sentencing?”

        Ha! Bangor’s Finest Hour: “As they sat in Miller’s Restaurant in Bangor, one of Karen’s brothers and a sister heard three women discussing the verdict in a booth just behind them. “Don Rogerson has suffered enough,” said one of the women. “Karen Wood didn’t suffer.”

        • Anonymous

          What about that poor schlub from southern Maine,who was in the woods like 20 years ago getting high,and got convicted of raping and murdering a little girl that he had never met,and there was absolutely NO evidence of contact with?I believe he is STILL in prison?

          • Anonymous

            Wow even Dennis’ most ardent supporters never said that.

            Dennis Dechaine’s notebook was in his truck. It was found at the driveway where Sarah Cherry was babysitting and rope inside in the truck matched rope that bound her wrists. He claimed to have been fishing in the woods, but without a fishing pole.

            While I agree that this (by itself) isn’t enough for a conviction, It surely is not “nothing.”

        • Anonymous

          Are you serious in comparing Don Rogerson to this guy? C’mon

    • Anonymous

      why wasn’t this piece of crap executed in 1982?

      • maineiac123

        Because we don’t execute people for being found guilty of manslaughter. And we do execute people who have commited no crime. Do we really want you to choose?

        • Passadumkeagah

          What?

      • Anonymous

        Simply because, New York, much like the oh so kind, and warmhearted, liberal state of Maine, has no death penalty.

    • a dope boy

      Why !?

      I’ll give you the complicated answer first. Plea bargaining. The courts are over loaded the public defenders over worked. And it’s really hard to seat a jury in any case.

      Now here is the easy answer. We have a warped mentality in this country coming from idealism and out right coercion. The latter being people like a Mayor Bloomberg of New York city who thinks banning a soft drink for some idiotic University hype is safer then banning a cup of beer which data clearly shows kills more people every year then a soft drink does.

      Which shows this viewer who’s in his pocket.

      And now this same fraud will lead the charge against gun ownership base off this nut-jobs carnage. But this person fits his kind of rationalization.

    • Anonymous

      IN PRISON? We should have been obliged to Kill Him Back…if you can kill your grandmother (or anyone) and use a hammer to do so, which I can’t even fathom, then you have no right to be loose in society, period. That should have been an execution.

      • Anonymous

        agreed and why wasnt he in a mental hospital or had an eval done?? he was obviously troubled!!

    • a dope boy

      Why !?

      I’ll give the complicated answer first. Plea bargaining because the courts are over loaded, the public defenders over worked and in any case it’s hard to seat a jury.

      Now hears the simple reason why. We have a warped mentality in this country that thinks because they where educated in some humanity course University (which are 75% of our universities) they have it all figure out.

      We have a perfect example of that in New York city with Mayor Bloomberg who bans soda but allows beer. In his case he’s not only peppered in a Shangri-La, this dude is rich. And he’s also a media mogul, and if beer distribution ain’t in his pocket I’ll give ya $5 bucks.

      Last time I check beer kills more people in this country every year then guns and soda combine.

      • In moderation, guns, soda and beer are all fine. In excess, they are all dangerous.

        • Anonymous

          And this man was a danger to others hmmmm…..criteria for involuntary hospitalization and he had access to weapons. There is something wrong with the judicial system.

  • Anonymous

    “This sort of thing wouldn’t happen,” says Wayne LaPierre, “if firefighters would just carry guns instead of water hoses when they enter a burning building. That way the good guys with the guns could stop the bad guys with the guns.”

    More innocent lives sacrificed on that alter of stupidity that is America’s gun fetish.

    • Anonymous

      Let’s hear it folks – three cheers for the Bushmaster with flash suppressor, the choice of sportsmen and real guys all across this proud land of ours! And three cheers for being first in the world in the rate of gun ownership among citizens – far ahead of second place Yemen, and even further ahead of well-behaved nations. Yaahoooo!

      • Anonymous

        Sportsmen use this semiautomatic rifle with a 5 round magazine mostly for varmit hunting, such as coyotes.

      • Anonymous

        Answer this simple question.

        Why was this “person” allowed back in society after murdering his blind/deaf elderly grandmother with a hammer?

        • maineiac123

          Because he was not convicted of murder, he was convicted of manslaughter. There is a difference.

          • Anonymous

            Here is what I have learned about the murder of his grandmother.

            She was deaf and blind.
            She wanted to go down into the basement of her house.
            He didn’t want her to go down because he “thought she would hurt herself”.
            She went down anyway and he struck her in the head with a hammer.
            He then made it “look” like she fell down the stairs.

            Sounds like she wanted to do something that he didn’t want her to do and he hit her in the head with a hammer to prevent her from doing it and then tried to make it look like an accident. That’s not manslaughter. That’s murder.

            Manslaughter is normally defined as the unintentional killing of another human being. When you have an argument with someone and then strike them in the head with a hammer and then attempt to conceal the crime that is not manslaughter….that is murder.

          • WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot

            You’re wasting your time with maineiac. He/she will split hairs and defend this piece of crap to the end. It’s what progressives do. They just can’t help themselves.

          • maineiac123

            You’re right. I happen to like facts unlike right-wingers who seem to feel their beliefs should count rather than facts. I’m not defendig anyone, I’m simply stating facts which people like you don’t want to bother with.

          • WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot

            Yeah, I know, it’s the law. Technically, according to the law, it was manslaughter, and that makes it right. And, you will defend that law won’t you, because it’s the law. No need to change it. No outrage that a piece of scum like this could only be found guilty of manslaughter and not murder. I believe that anybody accused of a crime should have their day in court, but at the end of the day, let’s call the crime what it is – MURDER.

          • maineiac123

            Yes I will defend the law until it is changed then I’ll defend the new law. I never said there was no need to change it, I never said I was not outraged that he was found guilty of manslaughter. I see you believe people should have their day in court. That’s almost a laugh considering that when they do you still want more. No you have no interest in people having their day in court unless you agree with the outcome.

          • Anonymous

            “You’re right. I happen to like facts unlike right-wingers who seem to feel their beliefs should count rather than facts.”

            Here are the facts.

            His blind and deaf elderly grandmother wanted to go down into her basement.

            The grandson didn’t want her to because she might “hurt herself”.

            I guess he was right…she did get hurt when the grandson struck her in the head with a hammer.

            He then attempted to cover up his crime by trying to make it look like she fell down the stairs.

            I guess I see someone striking another person with a hammer as murder. You seem to see it as unintentional and without knowledge that hitting someone in the head may not cause them to die.
            ~~~~~
            “I’m not defendig anyone, I’m simply stating facts which people like you don’t want to bother with.”

            Those are the facts as published in New York papers. And you are defending that it was right and proper to release someone on parole when he walked out of his first parole hearing (another fact from New York papers).

            And here is something to think about….based on his note ““I still have to get ready to see how much of the neighborhood I can burn down and do what I like doing best: killing people” it seems that our “beliefs”, that he should still be behind bars would have saved the lives of three people yesterday and the wounding of two others.

          • maineiac123

            “I guess I see someone striking another person with a hammer as murder.” And here is the what I see. He was CONVICTED of manslaughter not murder. Your belief is meaningless. Maybe he should have been convicted of murder but the fact remains he was not and that even your belief cannot get around.

          • Anonymous

            Here is what is said maineiac…he murdered his blind and deaf grandmother and the note he left behind on Monday tells me what I already knew. He was a cold blooded murderer when he killed his grandmother and he remained a cold blooded murderer. He may have paid his “debt” to society but he was “reformed” or “rehabilitated” or anything else was he? He was released so he could kill again.

          • Tom Brown III

            dude I don’t think maineiac is necessarily disagreeing with you. just stating the fact that almost 20 years ago he was convicted of manslaughter. Maybe the judicial climate was different then, maybe they didn’t have enough expedience for murder 1 who knows.

          • Anonymous

            And that climate has been changing and evolving for the last 30-40 years. Unfortunately it has been evolving and changing in the wrong direction.

          • Anonymous

            You are right, but we are the only ones that can change that.

          • Anonymous

            Its all about the law until it happens to their 92 year old grandmother….. or their 5 year old daughter! Then its a different story altogether. He killed his grandmother, knowing very well what he was doing and wanted the end result to be. You are a twisted individual if you think this behavior is worthy of “manslaughter” Its time the people started thinking for themselves and not have their heads up some judges butt, because that is said to be the law. You should know very well the difference between right and wrong, and if you don’t, stay in a looney bin until you do and then spend the rest of your sorry life in jail for the hanous (sp) crime you committed. The people need to stand up for what is right! It was plain murder.

          • pbmann

            Murder generally requires premeditation and/or planning and inttent. A spur of the moment killing is generally determined to be manslaughter

          • Anonymous

            Well pb I guess I see things for what they are…anyone who takes a hammer to an elderly woman who happens to be deaf and blind is a murderer in my book.

            The note he left behind says it far better than I can…“I still have to get ready to see how much of the neighborhood I can burn down and do what I like doing best: killing people”

            That’s not a note from someone sorry for what he did in the past.

          • pbmann

            And he would not have been able to burn down half the neighborhood and kill 2 firefighters and wound three others without a rifle.

          • Tom Brown III

            what does the rifle have to do with burning down the neighborhood a box of matches and a can of gas seems the likely device for arson.

          • pbmann

            let’s see.

            When the first firefighters arrived on scene only one house was engulfed. After the gunman shot and killed two firefighters and wounded three others there was no attempt made to put out the fire until the area was secured, thus allowing seven houses and at least one vehicle to either be destroyed or damaged by the fire.

            If the nutcase had any weapon other than a gun the six other houses would not have been damaged or destroyed by the fire.

            Pretty easy to understand really.

          • Tom Brown III

            I dunno he could have just started 6 different fires.

          • Anonymous

            Last time I checked a rifle do not start fires.

          • pbmann

            Last time I checked, firefighters are able to put out fires when not being shot at.

            I see the gun nuts are running out of sensible comments.

          • Anonymous

            Glad you think that the death of two of my brothers is funny on.

            When I started me career 30 years ago FFs and EMTs were being shot at in the projects of Boston, Detroit and other major cities across the nation.

            So save the preaching for some one else.

            The shooter wrote that he wanted to burn down as much of his neighborhood as possible. He succeeded in doing just that…three homes and three lives not counting his grandmother.

            Come to think if it, if he were still in prison for killing a defenseless 92 year old deaf & blind grandmother he wouldn’t have been able to burn down or shoot anyone.

          • pbmann

            I do not think the death of those two firefighters is the least bit funny and NOTHING in my post would say that.

            It is posters like you make light of their deaths with the asinine comment like “Last time I checked a rifle do not start fires.”

          • Anonymous

            pb let me make this crystal clear for you.

            I LOST TWO BROTHERS ON MONDAY. THOSE TWO BROTHERS GAVE THEIR LIVES BECAUSE A CONVICTED MURDERER DECIDED THAT HE WANTED TO DIE AND WANTED TO “BURN DOWN THE NEIGHBORHOOD”. HOW DOES ONE “BURN DOWN A NEIGHBORHOOD” pb? ONE USES SOME TYPE OF MATCH, TORCH, ETC…THEY DON’T START A FIRE WITH ANY TYPE OF COMMERCIALLY MADE FIREARM.

            WHEN ONE POSTS A COMMENT LIKE YOURS AND IGNORES THE PUBLISHED FACTS YOU MAKING LITE OF THE SITUATION TO MAKE A POLITICAL POINT.

            There is that clear enough for you?

          • Anonymous

            May they rest in peace, and thank you, for all you do. Your work is appreciated, so very much.

          • Anonymous

            or walk out the door by itself and start shooting people.

          • Anonymous

            He could have used a revolver or a double barreled shotgun, they have been around for 150 years. This guy was unstable and would have used anything he could get his hands on.

          • Tom Brown III

            I do agree this should have been a murder 2 case and probably sentenced 25-life but like I said before they probably didn’t have enough evidence/witnesses to prove this, I bet the case was probably settled and never went to trial.

          • Tom Brown III

            incorrect crimes of passion can still be classified murder, typically murder in the 2nd degree. I.E. walking in on your wife in bed with another man and hitting her in the head with a lamp. Murder under extreme or excessive emotional distress.

      • Anonymous

        Every homeowner in Switzerland is required by law to have a firearm in their home, yet people like you still blame the gun. I just don’t get it.

    • Anonymous

      His name and picture in every newspaper. Just what he wanted.

      • Passadumkeagah

        You hit the nail on the head (unfortunate pun unintended).

    • Anonymous

      The stupidity, combined with criminality, exists only within these murderers. Lapierre was 100% factually correct (even though you falsely put quotation marks around words never uttered by him) that these surprise attacks by sick people can only be stopped with return fire. These fools must be taken out by other armed people before they kill multiple or large numbers of innocent people…even if it is a few minutes in advance of when they plan to smoke themselves anyway after their homicidal destruction. If a “good person with a gun” was at Sandy Hook Elementary School, between 1 and 25 lives would have been saved after Lanza shot his first victim. That is unarguable for all people with an IQ above sea level. And no, I am not an NRA member…just a former police officer who is now nearly always armed.

      • Anonymous

        So someone could have returned AR-15 fire and saved all of those children?………what a scene that would have been……..a gun battle between two AR-15s with a bunch of kids and teachers caught in the crossfire. Welcome to the Old West!

        • Anonymous

          If you had been trained in active shooter response during the last 6 years you would know that in over 85% of these cases, as long as return fire commences, these homicidal/suicidal fools take themselves out immediately upon return fire or the arrival of return firepower. If you knew the details of this case, you would know factually that Lanza…with no surprise at all…took himself out immediately upon arrival of the first two police cruisers in the schol’s parking lot. Factually, all it takes is a semi-automatic 40 cal., another gun that the pro-criminal folks think should be illegal on the part of law abiding and skilled citizen shooters.

        • Anonymous

          Guess what Joe a Greece (NY) police officer was the first person to engage and return fire in West Brewster Monday. He is credited with preventing more deaths (which according to the convicted gunman’s letter was exactly what he intended to do).

          • Anonymous

            I really have been looking for a case during the last 6 years where hostile gunfire and killing with an AR continued after return fire commenced. There may be one, but I cannot find it.

        • Tom Brown III

          to add onto what bfgaz said about active shooter response.

          Remember the hollywood shootout? Those guys had supreme fire power, two AK-47s an m16 and a G3. All full auto or modified to fire full auto. Now their intent was never to go on a shooting rampage, they were bank robbers but they were unstable mentally defective and on all sorts of pills. The only people that ended up dying in that exchange of hundreds of rounds of rifle ammunition was the two gunman. Civilians tend to get off the streets (just like they did in the wild west at high noon) People aren’t all brain dead sheep, when it goes down they get down or get out of the way.

          Had the police not been there to actively engage them they would have undoubtedly hurt more innocents that day or some other day. The shoot out ended with one of them killing himself.

          • If their intent was never to go on a shooting rampage, how would they have injured innocents had the police not been there? It seems pretty clear to me theyd have simply left. Instead, we have one of the most iconic shoot-outs in American History, where lots of people were injured. Strange, if you really, really think about it.

          • Tom Brown III

            Like I said it wasn’t their intent on that day and maybe never their intent. However, their operational guidelines were very dark, they had no qualms with killing civilians and innocents. Had the police not engaged them that day who knows how many people may have died in their next robbery.

        • Anonymous

          Right, and FEWER PEOPLE DIE!! What don’t you understand about this?

    • Anonymous

      This would never have happened if this person had been convicted of 1st Degree Murder. He beat his grandmother in the head with a hammer. Then he covered up his crime by staging it to look like she “fell down the stairs”.

      He was convicted of “Manslaughter” which basically means he didn’t “intend” to murder her. Really, he took a hammer and whacked her in the head with it and left her to die.

      Remanded…you have no clue. This was all over the media yesterday. I heard about it about 1 hour after it happened and the BDN is just getting around to publishing the story 36 hours later?

      You should note he didn’t use a firearm the first time he murdered someone. May we should classify framing hammers as “assault hammers”. After all they are big and scary to the average person that doesn’t understand there purpose and in the wrong hands are used as a brutal tool to murder.

      Want to stop killers from killing again (and he likely killed three people and not two)? Here is a no nonsense way of ending killers from killing again.

      You kill someone you go to jail FOREVER! No probation. No parole. No time off for “good behavior” (they already used up the “good behavior” card). Nothing. You go to prison FOREVER.

      • Anonymous

        in ’82 New York was well ahead of the curve. In most States this guy would have gotten out in two years, but New York changed their insanity statute so that insane people who killed people, would still be guilty of involuntary manslaughter.

        • Anonymous

          That may be true but from what I have read about the previous murder, he didn’t plead involuntary manslaughter.

          • Anonymous

            As a mentally incompetent individual the State of New York accepts no “plea.” if he is found “guilty but insane” the conviction is “involuntary manslaughter.”

      • Anonymous

        Agreed and I dont’t mind paying for this. “Manslaughter”……unbelievable!

    • Anonymous

      Let me tell you what actually happened, Remanded: Leftists like you made it possible for this guy to walk out of prison a mere seventeen years after beating his own grandmother to death. Let’s quote the killer himself: “….doing what I like to do best, which is killing people”. But in YOUR pretzel logic, removing every single gun from the earth would have gotten rid of his blood lust, and he would have been unable to think of any other way to kill people. Right??
      Think, man. God gave you a brain.

    • Anonymous

      This would have never happened if this guy were still in prison! Apparently beating an elderly woman to death with a hammer just isn’t taken as seriously anymore.

      • Anonymous

        Of course not….its only a hammer… Its not like its a gun. I can’t imagine they didn’t ban hammers a long time ago…. just saying….ITS MURDER!

        • Anonymous

          Yeah…why don’t you go out hunting with a hammer or knife and when you come back let us all know how those are the same as having a gun to kill something with.

          • Passadumkeagah

            Why would hunting be brought into this argument?

          • Anonymous

            right? These people are sick! They are hunting people!! They need to be stopped and putting them in jail is getting expensive. Death penalty within a week, no “death row” for 30 years. We needn’t support these people, solitary for life or death.

          • Anonymous

            Did he murder his blind and deaf elderly grandmother with:

            a) a gun,
            b) a knife, or

            c) a hammer

  • Anonymous

    Round 2 of the weapons ban debate, coming up in just a few moments!

  • Anonymous

    Because the same people that want to take away our guns are the same people that took away the death penalty.

    • Anonymous

      How old would those people be???

      • Anonymous

        How “old”? And this is relevant how?

        • Anonymous

          Because the death penalty in Maine was removed in Maine in 1887, New York still has a death penalty, although it is currently unusable due to a court decision. .

  • Anonymous

    Cue the unarmed sheep whining about guns and hoping to make everyone a victim.

    • Anonymous

      If you look around a little, you will find many wanting some gun restrictions to be police and mayors of major cities, and quite a few gun owners who can not understand why a 30 round magazine is needed.

    • Anonymous

      Actually a lot of REAL hunters don’t see any place for high capacity mags etc.

      Calling unarmed people “sheep” just reveals that you carry a gun as a penile extension…nothing more.

      • Anonymous

        Whatever works.

  • Anonymous

    This is a question for all the “let’s ban guns” crowd.

    Why was this “person” allowed back in society after murdering his blind/deaf elderly grandmother with a hammer?

    • Anonymous

      Good question……..but guns are still an issue.

      • Anonymous

        How do you feel about the New York newspaper that released the names and addresses of legal Concealed Weapons Permit holders?

        • Anonymous

          I’d like to know how the Newspaper got those names, and it there was any illegality it should be pursued.

          For just me? I do not care who knows I have a C.C.P.

          • Tom Brown III

            ehhh I do. I don’t put out signs like “this home is protected by god and a .44 magnum” because that just advertises what you have inside. Most gun owners own more than 1 firearm and firearms are easily transported and sold illegally or traded for drugs. Same as electronics, I don’t advertise what I have for those things and my personal property is just that; personal.

            I would not be happy to have something like that advertised about me, it seems that someone should be protected under the 4th amendment there. I don’t know if that would be considered libel where it isnt inflammatory or defaming in nature. plus the whole FOIA I guess CCW/CCP are maters of public record.

          • Anonymous

            They used the Freedom of Information laws of NY.

          • Tom Brown III

            seems that is a violation of the 4th amendment. I know that many states have you sign waivers when your information may be subject to FOI I don’t recall signing any such release on my ccw application.

    • Anonymous

      Error – responded to wrong post.

  • cfd130

    17 years for killing his grandmother with a hammer- AND we need GUN REFORM???

    • Anonymous

      Yup, we do……..among other things.

      • Tom Brown III

        such as hammer reform.

  • Anonymous

    That’s the 3rd spree killing in 2 weeks: 1) the guy in the mall; 2) the school shooter; 3) this nut on the loose. We need to keep dangerous people like this guy away from guns and the rest of society.

    • Anonymous

      All because of the publicity they get from the media

      • pbmann

        Right if we don’t hear about it it never happened.

        • Anonymous

          Wall to wall coverage in the national news, night after night, delving into their lives, motivations, and thoughts is not “hearing about it.”

          It is fame of a terrible sort in a culture that values fame of any kind. We are feeding the next monster.

          • pbmann

            Right. lets continue to blame everything except the guns.

  • Anonymous

    Easy answer: “why are there so many guns!???”
    Much better answer: “gee, do you think that the guy should have been locked up FOR LIFE after he beat his grandmother to death with a hammer?? Instead of serving a measly SEVENTEEN YEARS??”
    Bleeding-heart justice system claims two more innocent victims…..

    • Anonymous

      Correction….three more innocent victims. Another body was found in the rubble of his home which authorities believe is the body of his sister.

  • dptydawg

    No matter how you spin it or feel about gun control, this country needs to take a long hard look at the mentally ill and STOP closing long term psychiatric centers and lock these psychotic menaces up and throw away the keys.

    When I lived in Rochester, the State of NY closed the Rochester Psychiatric Center, a 17 story in-house mental health hospital. Some patients were transferred to other facilities and many more were put back on the streets. I personally transferred many that were so “out there” they had to be tied down or shackled for the moves.

    Around that same point in time, BMHI, now Dorothy DIx downsized to a what? I think I heard its now a 60 bed facility? I am sure it had a much larger capacity for full time patients.

    WHY are we closing long term mental health facilities, medicating the mentally unstable and putting them back on the streets??? While doing business downtown I frequently park near what I believe is a day treatment center where some of the people coming and going could not tell you their name if you asked them. Seems to me one of them pulled a knife and cut someone at Java Joe’s a couple years back although I don’t know if he was one of their patients or just a mentally ill transient.

    My heart aches for the families of those involved in this incident! I personally share multiple mutual friends with all five of those directly involved and I have not yet heard one of them blame a gun.

    PS…a body in the ruble of his burned out home found today is suspected to be that of his sister who was not accounted for a the time this story was published.

    • Anonymous

      It is quite literally never the gun that is the cause of death because guns do not have central nervous systems whereby they can fire themselves. Sonny Bono’s skis did not cause his death when he collided with the tree at Heavenly Ski Resort in Lake Tahoe about 15 years ago (I have frequently skied that tree trail). And neither did the tree. The biggest year for mass killings in the US was way back in 1929 but some people would like everyone to believe that 2012 was. Also, nearly 37,000 people died in the US due to car accidents in 2011. Fascinatingly, all of the misinformed who falsely believe that the gun is the cause of death never suggest that their (and our) cars should be collected. The sole reason this gun argument goes on and on and on and on is the inability for certain people to reconcile cause and effect. Pretzel logic indeed.

      • Anonymous

        Those firefighters weren’t killed by someone throwing stones! Get real. They were killed by an M 15. That is precisely what that gun was designed to do. Kill people efficiently. There is no good reason other than that for someone to have one. I once knew members of the West Webster F.D. They deserved better than a coward hiding in the shadows.

        • Anonymous

          No they were murdered by a convicted murderer.

          • Anonymous

            OK. I’ll give you that one. They were murdered by a convicted coward with an M 15 hiding in the bushes. So let’s keep the murderers in jail and get rid of the assault weapons.

          • Anonymous

            Just on N.Y. news. They found the remains of one more victim, believed to be the shooter’s sister. In the burned house.

          • Anonymous

            Could you define “assault weapons”?

            Wouldn’t the definition of an “assault weapon” be any weapon used in an assault?

          • Anonymous

            Federal definition from 1994 assault weapon ban: Semi-automatic rifles able to accept detachable magazines and two or more of the following:
            Folding or telescoping stock
            Pistol grip
            Bayonet mount
            Flash suppressor, or threaded barrel designed to accommodate one
            Grenade launcher (more precisely, a muzzle device that enables launching or firing rifle grenades, though this applies only to muzzle mounted grenade launchers and not those mounted externally).
            Semi-automatic pistols with detachable magazines and two or more of the following:
            Magazine that attaches outside the pistol grip
            Threaded barrel to attach barrel extender, flash suppressor, handgrip, or suppressor
            Barrel shroud that can be used as a hand-hold
            Unloaded weight of 50 oz (1.4 kg) or more
            A semi-automatic version of a fully automatic firearm.
            Semi-automatic shotguns with two or more of the following:
            Folding or telescoping stock
            Pistol grip
            Fixed capacity of more than 5 rounds
            Detachable magazine

          • Tom Brown III

            if you knew anything about firearms performance and function you would realize most of those characteristics are primarily cosmetic.

            A telescoping stock changes the overall length of a weapon +or- 6″. A folding stock +or- 14″. Neither of which make the weapon more deadly, the folding stock maybe with a single point sling maybe slightly more concealable, but firing a rifle with out a stock and cheek weld is highly inaccurate.

            A pistol grip has no impact on how the weapon functions or its efficacy. In certain guns like the AR15/AR10 it makes for more comfortable shooting because the pistol grip in the wrist/comb of a sport stock creates a fulcrum which directs energy downward and back but doesn’t make the weapon more or less accurate or deadly or significantly effect fire rates, try a mini-15 with both kinds of stock you will see what I mean.

            Bayonet mount, well according the the president we don’t use those anymore. Besides how many people have been killed at the end of a bayonet on an AR15? This one is blatantly cosmetic and effects the weapons performance by a factor of 0%.

            Flash suppressor like I previously stated doesn’t make muzzle flash invisible just less blinding to the shooter. Also the threaded barrel can be used for a compensator which reduces muzzle rise and felt recoil making for more comfortable shooting. However again nothing that effects the ballistics of the weapon. Suppressors were also listed in this but that is moot because those are 1934 NFA items and require title 3 permits etc.

            grenade launchers are NFA items as well, Rifle grenades are NFA items. These are highly regulated controlled munitions already 99% unavailable to civilians.

            The pistols vertical grips and stocks are already banned under NFA as SBR and AOW. The magazine outside the pistol grip is some gray area I will admit because it can be doubled as a vertical grip. The intratec 9mm was cited as the main culprit behind this clause but I think the rifle caliber pistols are the real intent behind this. Rifle caliber pistols should probably be classified AOW any how because they are readily conceivably and converted to SBRs. NFA $5.00 stamp and registration would be required to own one, but not outright banned.

            For shotguns, Semi auto shotguns with 5 or more rounds in a fixed magazine… just use a pump instead, it can cycle as fast or faster with near 100% reliability.

            Though I have outlined the futility and naivety of the AWB, I think what JD was going for was it is just a demonizing term for weapons that look scary. In reality once you have assaulted someone with anything it becomes an assault weapon. A .44magnum 13 round capacity lever action is a very powerful weapon that could easily be used to assault someone, why arent lever actions mentioned they were the Assault rifle of their day (assault rifle defined by US ARMY circa 1970, select fire or full auto rifle, firing an intermediate rifle caliber cartridge effective to 300-500m between a sub machine gun and light machine gun in terms of effective range and fire power)

          • Anonymous

            Very accurately stated and a perfect/factual introduction to the subject for those unknowingly against long barrel and/or semi-automatic firearms as the result of not seeing through the hyperbolic image of them created by similar unknowlegeable people. Something DOES need to be done through deadly force response and/or unwavering prosecutorial and sentencing action against these knuckleheads, but the usual political circular logic by those mistakenly thinking that the weapon fires itself got old about 20 years ago.

          • Anonymous

            How does a pistol grip make a rifle or shotgun more deadly?

            How does a telescoping stoke make a shotgun or rifle more deadly?

            Same with a barrel shroud?

            Those are cosmetics things. Nothing about them makes the rifle or shotgun any more or less deadly then any other rifle or shotgun.

          • Tom Brown III

            oh I forgot about the barrel shroud! it is almost laughable that is a “feature” that makes it more deadly.

          • Anonymous

            With a gun…..not a knife, not a car, not skis, not a rock, not a blender, not a radio, not a book…….

          • Anonymous

            And his choice of murder weapon the first time he killed? A HAMMER…not a gun “not a knife, not a car, not skis, not a rock, not a blender, not a radio, not a book…….”

          • Anonymous

            a blender, skis or a book…………I do enjoy reading your posts……lol

          • Tom Brown III

            ban assault hammers!

          • Anonymous

            From the little information available, it seems the murder of his grandmother was not planned ahead, and that it was a matter of convenience to use a hammer. This past week was a well planned incident and he had plenty of time to prepare.

          • Anonymous

            Manalaughter is typically defined as the unintentional taking of another life. Examples:

            Your involved in a fight and the person dies. That’s manslaughter.

            A reckless act such as speeding that results in an accident that kills your passenger is another example of manslaughter.

            But when you take a hammer and hit a person in the head you have a pretty good idea that it could result in that person death. Then add in the intentional distraction of evidence and you could make a very strong case for murder. Maybe nor murder in the 1st degree but certainly murder.

            I cannot for the life of me see how anyone with an ounce of common sense wouldn’t see that.

          • Anonymous

            Lawyers do not necessarily do the correct thing. It may be that it was easier to get a conviction for manslaughter than murder.

          • Anonymous

            I don’t disagree. Some DA/AGs are more concerned with conviction rates then getting the right convictions.

            Almy comes to mind with Carlson. He said there was nothing he could do about the mandated reporters not reporting. That’s a crock. It’s a civil penalty under Maine law. He just didn’t want to take the time to prosecute the case.

          • Anonymous

            and his neighbor’s houses were burned down with a pack of matches…. So?

        • Tom Brown III

          m15? no such thing.

          It was an AR15, produced by the company bushmaster.

          Bushmaster rifles function the same as colt, smith and wesson, stag, Olympic arms, etc. They just have the most sinister sounding name so when they are used they get a lot of extra attention.

          As a point of order however, they are notorious for taking production shortcuts and using sup-milspec quality parts.
          Maybe that is why they are seen in more shootings than other brands because they tend to be the cheapest of the AR15 family.

          Also a flash suppressor is actually a flash hider and do not 100% eliminate muzzle flash just spread it out in a circular pattern around the muzzle to more efficiently disperse gas and unburned powders.

          • Anonymous

            Sorry Tom, Better do your homework. The M 15 was the forerunner of the M 16 built by Armalite and used early in Nam. They had problems jamming and burning out barrels. It doesn’t matter though. They are all designed and build for the sole purpose of killing people and have no place in civilized society outside of a war zone. Even the cartridge was developed for use in automatic weapons. Light powder charge to reduce recoil, high velocity to maximize soft tissue damage and to enable multiple casualties with a single round. It is useless for hunting. Anyone buying one of these rifles can go on Youtube and learn how to convert it to full auto in a matter of minutes. The whole setup is only useful to someone looking for mass casualties .

          • Anonymous

            Agreed. The only 3 things that make me nervous are: 1.) the active shooters (the only solution is to take THEM out with return fire…with them then taking themselves out in over 85% of recent cases upon commencement of return fire), 2.) the whole mental health subject whereby supposed treatment is endless without any mandated near-term outcome of complete lack of danger (note that Steven Lake was falsely and unethically cleared in writing as a non-danger to his kids 4 months before he killed them and their mom), and 3.). the shear pin retrofitting challenge.

            It is my opinion (meaning this could be wrong) however, that the shear pin challenge is not large because of the massive federal penalties that already exist for full auto conversion (rightfully). The other thing is that nearly all of these mass assaults are undertaken with weapons that have not been shear pin doctored.

          • Tom Brown III

            oh sry… was arguing semantics with poor grammar hahaha

            I meant no such weapon was used in this incident. M15 is a branded AR15 pattern rifle. The only “real” ar15 is an armalite, because they held stoner’s patten on it. like the M&P15 from s&w etc. The military never fielded them from my understanding and the M16a1 was the standardized version that went into service first.

            there was a M15 7.62x51mm rifle that was a modified m14 that was fielded but I believe it was quickly usurped.

      • No bans proposed , though I seem to recall some proposals have been made to make consumer vehicles top out at certain speeds. Not a terrible idea really, for safety and efficiency sake.

        • Anonymous

          Gun companies use their lobbyists to spread rumors about gun bans so that they can sell more guns. Works like a charm each and every time.

    • Anonymous

      Alot of building at DDPC at taxpayers expense for 60 beds. The forensic floor closed many years ago at DDPC and to my understanding forensics is still open at Riverview. I agree with you to a point but I don’t think we need to go back to the thorazine shuffle or frontal lobotomies. The community based system for mental health recipients is broke and perhaps an unrealistic goal to integrate people like Spengler back into society (that’s if he was criminally insane).How he was able to be charged with “manslaughter” instead of “murder” is perplexing to me.

  • Anonymous

    Why was this SOB ever released from prison? I will always believe in the death penalty. If somebody is proven to have killed a person then execute them. Then there is no chance of him ever killing again!

    • maineiac123

      So if someone blows a tire and loses control of his car and hits a someone and kills them then they should be executed? Wow. I’m glad I don’t live under your system of justice.

      • Anonymous

        That’s what I like about you maineiac….always taking a topic to the extreme.

        • maineiac123

          I point out the absurdities of what some people say and it’s taking it to the extreme? Nummhead said that anyone who is proved to kill a person deserves the death penalty. Perhaps right-wingers like you should be a bit more….hmm…thoughtful your remarks.

          • Anonymous

            Yes you did take it to an extreme. The poster Nummathanahake was talking about this “man” who took a hammer to his 92 year old blind and deaf grandmothers head and then tried to cover up his act by staging a scene to make it look like she feel down the stairs.

            You took that comment and switched it around to a mechanical failure that causes a car to go our of control and kills someone.

            If you cannot see the absurdity of your example well I don’t know what to think.

          • maineiac123

            You obviously have no idea how to think let alone what to think. You still haven’t been able to understand the difference between a conviction of manslaughter and one of murder. but I’ve noticed that about you before, this idea that belief comes before facts.

          • Anonymous

            Yeah know something I really could care less what you think.

            Fact is he took a hammer and hit is blind & deaf 92 year old defenseless grandmother. You can call it whatever you want.

            My opinion is he committed murder and the fact that he was co gifted if manslaughter is the reason why he was out on the street and able to commit 2 if not 3 more murders.

            I am more than capable if being able to think for myself. I don’t sallow the talking points and sentencing guidelines brought to us by bleeding heart liberals that have compassion for the perpetrator and not the victim!

          • maineiac123

            It’s nice to see you care about my opinion. You must or you would have said “I really could NOT care less….”:) Think for yourself? I hardly think so because all I ever see you post is the typical conservative BS and think that your beliefs are more correct than facts. Stop listening to Faux so much and learn to think:) Have a nice day.

          • Anonymous

            “It’s nice to see you care about my opinion. You must or you would have said “I really could NOT care less….”:)”

            I don’t care a whit about your opinion. There feel better?
            ~~~~~
            “Think for yourself?”

            All the time maineiac. You should try it yourself sometime. I think you will find it very refreshing.
            ~~~~~
            “I hardly think so because all I ever see you post is the typical conservative BS and think that your beliefs are more correct than facts.”

            Want some facts maineiac? Here are some facts for you.

            Fact – Fires are started by matches, etc…not rifles, shotguns, pistols or revolvers. Please attempt to dispute that fact.

            Fact – the shooter committed a heinous crime by beating his blind and deaf 92 year old grandmother to death. Please attempt to dispute that fact.

            Fact – The “Assault Ban of 1994” didn’t reduce mass murders one iota. That fact comes from the FBI. You know those folks don’t you?
            ~~~~~
            “Stop listening to Faux so much and learn to think:) Have a nice day.”

            You mean FoxNews maineiac? Seems you have a spelling problem. By the way, I am far from a “conservative” just ask some of the folks that opposed same sex marriage if you don’t believe me. See I think for myself all the time. I don’t take my talking points from Ed Schultz or Stephanie “I never heard a fart joke that didn’t make me giggle” Miller. I listen to both sides and make up my own mind all by myself. I don’t need you or anyone else telling me how to think. Again, independent thought is a wonderful thing that you might find refreshing if you ever turn down MSNBC or stop reading the Brady Campaign press releases.

          • maineiac123

            You’re too funny…and absurd. Still can’t figure out that your belief it was murder doens’t count?

          • Anonymous

            I don’t find anything funny about a grandson beating his grandmother to death with a hammer. And the fact that you think it is funny is not just absurd but down right sick.

    • Anonymous

      You trust our government to execute folks? I don’t.

    • Anonymous

      As is evident from the couple hundred “convicted” killers proven innocent with DNA evidence in the last few years, proving someone guilty is not black and white. Since crooked police, judges, prosecutors, witnesses, lab techs (Mass), etc are more common than most people are aware of, the death penalty is not a solution. It may make some people feel good when carried out, but if the wrong person is executed, it means the real guilty is still out there to commit more murders.
      The state has unlimited time to prove guilt since there is no time limit on murder charges. An individual should have as long to prove their innocence, especially in light of new techniques for obtaining evidence.

  • JohnR

    How is Bushmaster stock doing these days? Yeah I know he was not supposed have guns, so how do you prevent someone intent on suicide and murder from getting their hands on them? Where is my Uncle Henry’s? Where is the local gun-show flea market?

    • pbmann

      Make selling guns in Uncle Henry illegal and make gun shows have to treat gun sales the same way as a licensed gun dealer/store would be two good starts

      • Anonymous

        I will give you Uncle Henry’s pb but the gun show “loophole” is something I have never come across. I purchased a handgun Ruger MkII at the BDN Gun Show one year and I couldn’t walk out with it. The handgun had to be transferred to a local FFL where I had to complete the same paperwork as anyone else. So what is this “loophole”?

        • Anonymous

          That is true, I think that if more people knew the process they would realize that it’s not a loophole. What they are calling a loophole is a private sale between individuals that reside in the same locale.

      • Anonymous

        Why not just make Uncle Henry’s illegal, and while you are at it, you might make neighbors illegal too, as that is where I purchased a couple of my guns.

        • pbmann

          Stupid straw man argument.

          Uncle Henry’s sells more than just weapons and not all neighbors are for buying guns from.

      • Tom Brown III

        there is no loops holes. FFLs at gun shows always have to do form 4473 and NICS background check.

        private sales at gun shows are completely different. many gun clubs and sportsman’s clubs that put on gun shows do not allow private vendors only FFLS.

    • Anonymous

      You are telling me a criminal had a gun?? How ever did he get that? It was clearly against the law for him to have that….It can’t be so. Gun haters really need to get a clue! They are the only ones that will have them if they outlaw them! Bad Criminal! May these 3 people rest in peace

      • JohnR

        How are you going to stop someone intent on murder with the guns so readily available? Who said I hate guns? I have quite a wide and varied collection of weapons. The only one capable of holding large capacity magazines is my Winchester M1 carbine from WWII. One could classify this as an assault weapon. All my other weapons are either for hunting or target shooting or both. I have a CCW but do not carry most of the time. I don’t call for outlawing guns but at the same time I don’t see the need for 10, 20, 30, 100 round magazines do you? You can’t hunt with them with the present laws, unless you are hunting humans that is. So let’s start by banning flea market gun sales, and private sales without a FFL holder involved, and large capacity magazines. That is what I would hope would happen.
        http://www.pressherald.com/news/Man-with-gun-attracts-attention-on-Back-Cove-trail.html
        Is this the kind of society you want to live in? Even though what he did was legal it was insane.

        • Anonymous

          The 2nd ammendment has nothing to do with hunting and everything to do with the FINAL check on the tyranny of government…The government has them , so should we…Though it keeps being brought up , the gun ban crowd refuses to talk about it and that’s the “mainstreaming” of the mentally ill.,.They have even let Hinkley out..You know , the nut that shot Reagan…Another FAILED liberal idea that’s killing folks…But let’s ignore the 800 pound Gorrilla in the room…

          • Anonymous

            Darn right. Those AR15s will easily take out a tank, or other armored vehicle, and could shoot down them fancy jets the feds got. Heck., I’ll bet they could even stop them missiles. You sure could use them against the ships stationed a couple hundred miles off shore. The government wouldn’t stand a chance with their nuclear weapons either.

          • Tom Brown III

            how do you explain an army of young poorly trained insurgent/milita forces in afganistan and iraq that have held our military might at bay for over a decade? or the chechnya rebels holding off the red army?

            Yes if the worst ever happened and the military and civilian population were pit against each other it is almost certain who would be the “victor”. It is just the threat of an armed constituency/populace that will act as a deterrent to tyranny. I don’t think many rational logical individuals believe there is anyone in any facet of office right now trying to build and launch a coup of the US government and crown themselves king. The problem is when you remove the deterrents and fail safes such as posse comitatus, the seeds of a drastic change in government, the rise of tyrants, and the death of freedom will be sown.

          • Anonymous

            My post was meant to be sarcastic, which often doesn’t come out well in print. But since you asked a very valid question, the simple answer is politics. When a President fails to listen to his generals and instead pays attention to his civilian advisers, that is a likely outcome, as was part of the reason we did poorly in Viet Nam.

          • Tom Brown III

            I understood your sarcasm and condescension perfectly.

            You may have explained our involvement in the middle east and vietnam but how about the russians? how about the french? the dutch? Spanish? So many armies throughout history have gone into another peoples land to conquer and subjugate them only to be bitterly fought off for years.

            Also the 2 recent “wars” have been far more disconnected than the vietnam war from Washington politics. The problem has always been when enemy combatants are in plain clothes mixed in with civilian populations and infrastructure it is impossible to designate military targets and short of completely flattening communities and cities and summary executions it very difficult to fight the enemy in open combat. Our troops haven’t fought “regulars” since 2003. We have been fighting militia.

          • Anonymous

            I can’t pretend to know about countries which haven’t won a war since the 1800s. As far as Russia and the US go, I can only consider that neither has fought an all out war since WWII, and that politics played a major roll. In Afghanistan we supported the rebels against the Russians. In Chechnya I suspect their national politics got in the way, as well as the fact the world had almost instant access to information. If a slaughter occurred the world knew within an hour and the Russians were still sensitive to world opinion due to their shattered economy dependent on foreign support.
            The US has adopted a policy of restraint since WWII. Colin Powell and another American general recommended using overwhelming force in Iraq and Afghanistan. Instead civilian advisers were listened to and here we are.

          • Anonymous

            A On Jan. 27, 1996, Mark Bechard entered the Servants of the Blessed Sacrament chapel in Waterville, where he stabbed, beat and stomped on four nuns, killing two and severely injuring the other two,

            In September of this year,Justice Nancy Mills has approved a request from Bechard to move off the grounds of AMHI and to a group home on Glenridge Avenue in Augusta. Bet the neighbors are some-ole happy about that!

        • “You don’t see the need for 10, 20, 30 round magazines….”
          So what if YOU don’t see the need…how dare you dictate to me how much firepower I need to protect my family and property with!.

        • Tom Brown III

          I don’t see the need for a car with a 400hp motor that can easily do 180mph or a motorcycle that can do 225mph. They are clearly designed to break speed limit laws and facilitate high-speed fatal accidents.

          However, I am not going to tell car enthusiasts we must ban their cars.

        • Anonymous

          I applaud the people that called the Portland PD. They did what they should do. The police did what they should have done.

      • Anonymous

        This incident just proves that if gun nuts make the gun laws, nuts will have guns.

        • Anonymous

          ….and matches.

          • Anonymous

            and hammers.

    • Anonymous

      I am pretty sure its more like who’s house can I rob that has guns, or how much crack do you want for that gun….

  • pbmann

    Does this mean we now have to have armed guards going out with firefighters now?

    • Anonymous

      No silly….we’ll just have all the fireman carry assault weapons and forego using those old, leaky, outdated non-assault fire hoses….and now when the fire department responds they can just shoot the fire out….should work well.

      • No…no…no…”assault weapons” are bad, remember? They should be protected with rifles that ONLY hold 5 rounds!

      • Anonymous

        After the NRA pays for all the guns in schools maybe they could pay for more in the grocery stores, gas stations, garages, and on each street corner. That way the firemen wouldn’t have to carry.

        • Anonymous

          Don’t forget the movie theaters, street corners and any other place that some moron will have a assault weapon…..

  • Anonymous

    This is horrible, I know that there is no real way to understand the mentally ill so attempting to is a lost cause but wow. I just don’t get why anyone would want to hurt people who came there to HELP him because they got a call that his house was on fire.

    As for the gun debate, I try look at both sides but I will admit I am for guns. Honestly, this guy didn’t care what laws he broke so he and those like him will break them in the future to get guns that are already circulating in the country. Then law-abiding citizens will not have an equal defense. I do agree that assault rifles and such may not be necessary but if I am correct (and I may not be, there has been so much info on this topic out there) they were looking at banning semi-autos?? Our home defense pistol is a semi-auto; hopefully we never have to use it but if someone attacks me or intrudes into my home I think I deserve to at least have somewhat equal defense against the person. That’s just my opinion, though.

  • Anonymous

    Maybe he was criminally insane. Perhaps the forensic floors need to reopen in the state hospitals. What is the difference if tax dollars go for corrections or a state hospital?………..and will continue to provide jobs.

    • a dope boy

      The hard part is proving someone is criminally insane. This guy sounds like he knew how to game the system, and he knows he can get a parole hearing in prison. He ‘s goes to Bellevue, they can keep him indefinitely with only a doctors signature.

  • pbmann

    The NRA plan:

    Lets arm as many people as possible to make the US safer and then have to place armed guards at schools, malls, intersections, firetrucks… etc because of all the crazies with guns.

    Makes perfect sense.

    • What was that phrase?….An armed society is a polite society!

      • pbmann

        Is that why the Wild West was the Wild West, because it was polite? :)

        • Anonymous

          the hollywood version of the old west is not reality. a lot like how movies today are for entertainment,not education.maybe congress was right to remind people that movies do not necessarily reflect reality

      • Hasn’t helped you Billy.

      • Anonymous

        Right. Just look at Somalia.

        • Anonymous

          Oh but thats all islams fault, remember?

    • Anonymous

      You’re absolutely correct, it does make perfect sense.

      • pbmann

        Only to an addled mind.

        • Anonymous

          Lol, that’s pretty funny coming from you.

          You already have armed in schools and malls. Lets get rid of them. Get rid of armed air marshals and TSA agents too, I mean there hasn’t been an incident in the past 10 or 12 years… oh, wait, that might be the reason why…

    • Anonymous

      Obama’s girls go to a school that employs 11 armed guards with plans to hire another one. No, they’re not part of the SS protecdtion detail. It’s the norm for the school whether or not a President’s kid(s) goes there.

      • Anonymous

        Sidwell Friends (Quaker) School employees 11 armed guards?

        Not very Quaker behavior..

  • Another bad guy that stole firearms to kill! The law works! He could not have “legally” owned a firearm, so he stole them!
    “The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun!”

  • Anonymous

    If only those firefighters brought guns instead of hoses, right?

    • Anonymous

      Some bring both.

      • Anonymous

        I’m sure it’d be real easy to hold both too!

        • Anonymous

          It’s called cross-trained and some departments are doing it to A) save money and B) utilize traditional FF in a more efficient manner.

          Fire calls have decreased dramatically over the years while requests for police and EMS services have increased at the same time. Some traditional fire departments are even fielding Engine/Ambulances and at least one Florida Sheriff’s department has fielded a Engine/Ambulance combination also.

          • Tom Brown III

            bangor fire department handles most of the cities EMS calls.

          • Anonymous

            Yes they do and a fine job they do.

    • Just wait for obamacare…that will be the end of mental illness…right?

  • “A Bushmaster rifle was used in the killing of 20 students and six teachers in Newtown, Connecticut, on Dec. 14.”

    Nope. The gun never left the trunk. Most mass murderers or spree-killers do not use assualt rifles, they use handguns. The constant mis-information and hysteria spewed by the media in all its forms is more damaging to our culture than the weapons they are so desperately trying to abolish. How unfortunate.

    • Tom Brown III

      The reports I have seen said he shot out the front glass door with it. Sounds like he had some critical failure at some point with it as they found unfired .223 rounds in the building and he had probably cleared a jam.

    • Tom Brown III

      there was a shotgun found in his car that wasn’t used in the shootings.

  • Jim

    Just keep letting these creeps out and blame the NRA and every law abiding gun owner, thats the liberal way.

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