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  • Anonymous

    In my 9 years as a track coach at Brewer, I can’t think of one time when this sort of thing didn’t happen in the back of the bus on a long 2-hour trip, even if we did stop for a pee break, and even if I pleaded with them all to use the bathroom before we left for a trip. Nobody ever seemed to care much, and despite my threats and concerns, I could never tell who did what, and if the bus company complained, then the AD knew there was nothing I could have done. Ask the bus drivers about the bottles of stuff they find after long trips and they’ll tell you. I guess getting canned by the administration still comes down to how many parents complain, and what kind of hidden agenda is going on. What’s new?

    • Anonymous

      My question is this, why the heck are we busing children from Bangor to Presque Isle, a 320 mile round trip, for an athletic event? This is incredibly ridiculous! How much is this costing taxpayers?

      • Hazel

        They have been as long as I’ve been around. However, when I played basketball at Bangor we always took a coach bus. That being said, we were never scheduled to the point where we might be late. You have to travel up there. No else are they going to play?

      • Anonymous

        The stupid thing is that despite the notion that girls are the ones needing to go more often, it is only the guys (who for obvious reasons) are pulling the whole bottle trick. The girls somehow manage to compose themselves and so the guys should be able to as well. The thing worse than the bottles of urine are the bottles with tobacco chew spit sometimes found – I’ve heard about this from hockey & baseball trips mostly.

        • Anonymous

          Sounds like a lot of coaches aren’t doing their job.

          • Anonymous

            Sounds like you have never been either a player, or a coach.

          • Anonymous

            Both, actually.

      • Anonymous

        Would you rather these kids were just out roaming the streets getting into serious trouble? Isn’t there enough of that going on now? It’s a proven fact that Athletics benefits kids. Not only in body, but in mind and soul as well.
        The real problem is the fact that all the rest stops have closed on I-95. A sad commentary on our state especially in light of large toll increases.

    • Anonymous

      Matt, I totally agree. Four years of football, basketball and baseball for John Bapst and i can confirm it happened then as well and for basketball, we actually had a coach bus sponsored by Ron Brown and his family and it STILL happened. Its fairly normal. Nobody wants to be the one to go up and ask the bus to stop because you have to go pee, and then be ridiculed by all of the other guys on the team so its far easier to just go in a bottle. What is disgusting about this whole thing is how Princess Webb can just dismiss a respected coach so quickly without getting all of the details or hearing from the players. I coupld of parents that are too perfect does not make a bad coach…This was a terrible thing to have happened.

  • Anonymous

    Making a big deal out of nothing. It’s nothing new for boys to act this way…. they should just “Man Up” and not blame others. It would have been over.

    • bangorgirl

      totally agree! but the people who should be “real men” are Butler & Vanidestine! and they to should “man up”! Oh but wait they have to hide behind the confidentiality rule!

  • Anonymous

    Why can’t you use a bus with facilities on long trips. They certainly have them. Or is it too much to ask for a little privacy? Also why are they jeopodizing safety by leaving what someone could call late and not having a little cushion for travel incidents or in this case it appears a potty break.

    • Anonymous

      and taxpayers will complain about renting a cyr bus for sports. The regular bus is not cheap, I would not want to think what a cyr bus would cost.

      • Sectar114

        ~$1,000 round trip to Presque Isle or Caribou, compared to $500-600 for a regular bus.

    • Anonymous

      Because it is cost prohibitive. A little common sense would tell me they should stop every couple hours on a lengthy trip. I don’t know a teenager that can’t hold it that long.

  • Anonymous

    Between sue happy parents, predatory lawyers, and the political correctness police at the school, you would have to be a couple of cards shy of a full deck to get involved with kids sports these days.

    • Anonymous

      At least in the Bangor Kingdom of Betsy Webb.

    • Anonymous

      My brother got fired and banned from coaching ever again at his daughter’s school for telling his cross country team to stop acting like a bunch of jackasses, which they clearly were because parents don’t teach their kids about respect anymore. It’s a kids world now. They rule! And whatever you do, don’t dare to say or do anything to offend THEM or hurt their precious feelings!

      • Anonymous

        Single family parenting has a lot to do with the lack of respect in kids these days. I was a lot more scared of my old man than I was of the school officials or the cops. It was an excellent deterrence.

      • Anonymous

        If he’s that uptight it’s probably good that he’s not around kids.

      • Anonymous

        I went to grade school at Glenburn, and after 20 years i went back to cheer on a friend’s daughter at her basketball game. He told me to be careful how i cheered because if i said anything negative at all, i would be asked to leave. I cannot imagine how we have come to the point when you cant yell at a ref for a missed call or to your kids when they are not hustling enough to get the lead out…Pretty scary just how politically correct we have become.

      • Anonymous

        It was most likely the parents of the ones acting like jackasses who got him fired. “Ya can’t speak to their little darling like that.”

    • Anonymous

      Well said.

  • jeff williams

    the more he talks, the weirder he gets. good riddance

    • Anonymous

      You hit the nail on the head with this guy. seeking legal councel for what? maine is an at will work state and someone can be fired if there is no reason. He was not discriminated against for race,religion.disabilty or anything else protected.. Perhaps he was simply not liked by administration and that is all the reason they need. the meeting with betsy ended abruptly becasue he didnt get his way!

      • Anonymous

        Why does ne belive yet another interview with the BDN actually clear anything up? They just LOVE controvesy, never reconcialtion.

  • Anonymous

    The Queen has spoken, Bow to Betsy Webb, .

    • Anonymous

      The Maine Supt. of the Year never makes mistakes. Asking the School Com. to look into this would be equivalent to asking Queen Elizabeth’s butler(s) to look into something that might embarrass the Royals. The School Com. lacks the integrity and the guts to question Webb about anything!

      • Anonymous

        This is not the first time Betsy has done this. there have been other times when someone has requested only to get in behind closed doors and shortly the meeting ends with bad results. she is the queen alright.

      • Henderson bobby

        would not count Marc Eastman out. He is no Kate Dickerson.

  • Anonymous

    The fair and equitable solution would be for the School Committee to direct the Superintendent of the Year to get on the bus at the same time of day and ride without a break for the identical duration of aforementioned trip, so she can operate and make decisions from a position of experience. While some factors may not be exactly the same due to her aging process, the tediousness and bouncing around of a school bus ride of considerable length may serve to open her eyes to the reality of what her charges have to deal with to represent Bangor High School.

    • Anonymous

      The “fair and equitable” thing to do for the taxpayer is for the school to refrain from transporting children to athletic events regardless of the distance. This isn’t education, it’s playtime and I don’t like paying for kids to have playtime.

      • Anonymous

        Let me guess, you don’t like sports, never played sports, or didn’t like that you had to listen to a coach, so you quit whatever team you were on?

        • Anonymous

          Or never even made the team……

    • Anonymous

      The school committee doesn’t direct anything. It controlled by the perennial Chair Person and the Superintendent. Nothing meaningful ever makes it to the agenda.

  • Anonymous

    LOL – this guy doesn’t understand the Bangor School Department if he expected the Superintendent to actually be interested in hearing from him. Let me save him some trouble and recommend that he not waste his time trying to address the School Committee on this issue either. Though they are responsible for oversight, they’re nothing but imposters.

  • BobbyB

    I am so glad that this coach took the high road for the good of his team and didn’t let this become a distraction (LOL). Let’s see, he offered his resignation not once, but twice and it was finally accepted. Righteously, he does not anticipate seeking legal counsel? Perhaps he is thinking about seeking a gag order against himself?

  • The Great White Hope

    At this point who cares? Talk about beating a dead horse.

  • hockey

    Collins is a good coach, and I for one am disappointed that he will not be running the program that my son plays in.

  • jackie

    Again the persons that are responsible for bad behavior are still on the team! When do we make kids accountable for thier actions? I am sorry the rest of the team loses.

  • Anonymous

    I was only on one varsity sports team many years ago but when we went on long road trips we stopped at the rest areas. We just thought it was common sense. I don’t remember anybody peeing in a bottle. The scheduling does have to be realistic though. You have to allot travel time accordingly.

    • Anonymous

      I ran track for three years in high school. I don’t recall the coach ever saying there would be no stops. Nor do I recall anyone ever thinking about peeing in a bottle.

      • Anonymous

        Your school must have been much more civilized than mine. Mine being over 40 years ago.

  • Conley Raye

    Usually when something goes this far, you cannot win out. Wonder why the coach was not backed up, as it does happen all the time. The real answer might be, someone had an agenda and wanted him gone. Check out who did all the complaining and check to see if their child complained of not playing enough and you may find out the real reason, Sad but its politics and the community continues to allow it to happen as long as its not their child, complaining. If we had an group that did some investigations and research, than maybe the truth could be found before any action was taken. But with politics within , it does not happen. Sad

  • Anonymous

    This is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard. It defies logic to anyone with common sense that this was a tempest in a teapot. Webb is the one who ought to resign if she can’t display any better judgment than this.

    • Anonymous

      I agree, I’ve not been impressed with her on many incidents that she had the ultimate decision over…however, it seems she has the power over the ‘little folk’ and I liken it to the comment about Queen Elizabeth made earlier! lol

    • Anonymous

      I’m sorry, but was she the one who told the players there would be no stopping? Was she the one who knew urinating on the bus was a problem and did nothing about it? Was she the one who tendered her resignation voluntarily?

  • Anonymous

    Has the copy desk been abolished? Does anyone edit these stories? What I read here is sadly typical of the BDN these days.

    The description of the incident, the nut of the entire story, does not appear until the 16th graf. It is then followed by this:

    “He was surrounded by players so the one female on the team, who sits up front, didn’t see anything he said.”
    I don’t think anyone saw anything he said. Do you?

    • Anonymous

      It’s fast food journalism: Get the story out the door as quickly as possible, without thinking about what you wrote. There used to be a time when editors would hold stories and ask for a rewrite or more information. Now it seems there is no editorial oversight on the weekends: Just write ‘er and git ‘er out there — clean up the writing later, if at all.

  • justasidenote

    Bangor has lost more than a great coach. They have lost integrity and respect. The story came from somewhere, why doesn’t the school go after that person and do a little investigation of him. I’m sure they will find many inappropriate comments or emails he has made to students! What I find almost comical is the fact that the BDN continues to run this story, but not ONE news outlet could run a story stating that with all the adversity this team has faced over the past week they were able to pull out a win over Brunswick last night. Way to go Bangor pull yourselves together, play as a TEAM and make your coach proud!

    • Sectar114

      Don’t forget attention seeking…

    • Anonymous

      “They have lost integrity and respect.”
      The school lost that when players turned a school bus into an outhouse and the coach did nothing about it.

  • BobbyB

    Can anyone explain why the coach would resign this time if he has found urine bottles on 7 of ten previous trips? Maybe this goes to his judgment about addressing specific players and their constant poor behavior.

    • Anonymous

      Sooooo you are a child on a school bus that will not stop (between Bangor and Presque Isle) and you have to go…

      Here are the options:

      Hold it till you wet your pants.
      let it go on the floor,

      urinate in a bottle.

      Please tell this now old man, (who was 14 back when) what he should have done all those years ago. Of course in my day bottles didn’t have a deposit.

      • BobbyB

        This soap opera is not necessarily about peeing in a cup. It’s about a coach not being in control of players and some over zealous parents.

  • Sectar114

    “Last year, on seven of our 10 trips, I found bottles of urine while I cleaned up the bus after the trip,” he said.
    Way to nip this problem in the bud coach….sorry, the more you talk the less support you have from us.

    • Anonymous

      You are exactly correct. He could not stand to discipline his Maine freeze recruits. He is not a coach who cares about making these players better young adults. He was a high school coach he cared nothing more than about winning. Like one player spoke in the news about him buying things for some of the players over the summer. In college a coach buys his players anything they are fired and entire program put on probation.

      • Anonymous

        Must be one of the parents that wanted him gone? What’s the matter? Little Johnny didnt get enough playing time???

        • Anonymous

          Jeff little Johnny never tried out for this team this year. So I would say sure he didn’t get any playing time. I told this coach his days were numberd at bhs due to his lying tactics. I’m more ticked I can’t take any credit.

  • Henderson bobby

    This is the same superintendent who has an assistant on $100k a year paid leave.

    • Sectar114

      Ahhhhhh, good catch….thats why they must have wanted the hockey coach gone.

  • Anonymous

    I can’t believe this situation has resulted in this coach resigning. Who gives a flying who-you-what about a kid having to go in a cup or bottle on the team bus?

  • Anonymous

    Ummm… how long were they on the bus? Maybe the kid just really really had to go!! I know I’d love the ability to go in a bottle if I really had to go. Leaving the stuff on the bus or making a mess…. punish the kid, not the coach. I don’t see the huge deal. Urinating all over the bus on purpose? Not acceptable. But why is the coach being investigated over it? Why not just suspend the kid from playing for a game or two every time they are caught. Just stupid.

    • Anonymous

      “But why is the coach being investigated over it? Why not just suspend the kid from playing for a game or two every time they are caught.”
      The coach is the disciplinarian of the team. He did nothing about it, and he certainly didn’t help when he told the team there would be no stops for the bathroom.

      • biscuit

        The A.D. and principal hand down discipline,not the coach. Coaches duties are to report violations. If they had suspended the player involved for previous violations, he wouldn’t have been on the bus and none of what followed would have ever occurred. The A.D.’s failed policy of no stops backfired,in addition to his unwillingness to suspend a player who admitted to a prior wrongdoing led to this mess.

  • Anonymous

    Stop defending this crap! I’ve been traveling with kids on a bus for 29 years and never had any such incident occur. He was responsible for overseeing these kids. He failed to do this. The administration did what they needed to do.

    • bangorgirl

      michdawg, Yes the Administration did do what they had to with the coach! but what about the kids who did these stupid acts? Why haven’t they been reprimanded for their careless actions? We preach to our kids to be responsible young adults and to be held accountable for their actions! but if there is no consequences then I guess they will continue! Good one Butler & Vanidestine for setting a good example of your student athletes time after time! oh and by the way I am not defending this crap! Just saying!

      • Anonymous

        Setting a good example? What about this same coach allowing players back on the team after they were caught drinking a yea or so ago. Your right these players should be held accountable by the school and their own parents. However u don’t see these players parents making their son/daughter be held accountable.

    • Anonymous

      Must be another robot of the braintrust known as the school board…LOL

  • Anonymous

    So last week he knew of no such issues this week he admits to knowing this has been going on. Hmm Denis if your going to tell your side of a story for sympathy you should at least stick to one story.lying is something Denis needs to work on

    • justasidenote

      Your words really have no merit, especially to anyone that has had “the pleasure” of ever dealing with you! Your biggest goal on life is to tear other people down to make yourself look better….nice try!

      • Anonymous

        Your to funny and don’t know me well at all. Because if you did you would know I could careless what people think of me. My comment here comes from Denis own mouth. One thing is for sure I unlike you and alot of others don’t hide behind some made up screen name

        • justasidenote

          Believe me I know you don’t care! The Bangor hockey community has seen you in action more times than can be counted! Great role model!

          • Anonymous

            Wow that’s amazing the Bangor hockey community has seen me in action so many times. I have over the years spoke my mind with one coach. And it had nothing to do with playing time. It had to do with a team not having a head coach. Or even the same coach for every game. My son has turned out pretty well so I’d say his parents were pretty darn good role models. What concerns me about you and your community is the fact you seem to have known when and where I was which kinda creeps me out that I have stalkers

          • Anonymous

            Secondly as far as role model goes I have 3 people I need to be a role model for. And that’s my 3 boys. I know if they stay off drugs, graduate school, and are respected by those who know them then mission accomplished. One has succeeded and the other 2 time will tell as they are 6 and 9. You and like many other Bangor hockey parents don’t like it when people like me speak the truth and that truth is hurtful. Again your a coward taking shots at me behind a screename

          • bangorgirl

            MikeH22 Role model moto:for his 3boys! 1)stay off drugs, 2)graduate school, 3) and be respected by those who know you! What about respect ALL! whether they know you or not! Probably what some of the players that did these actions on the bus were taught also because if they respected “ALL” maybe they would have thought twice about it! Oh and I don’t know you but from all you post I have been reading you sound like a very bitter former hockey parent that was done wrong by BHS! No need to respond there are no ?’s in this statement! JMO!

      • Anonymous

        Completely Agreed

  • justasidenote

    So was there not enough of a response with the first title of this story?

    • Anonymous

      This story says Denis lied last week by not knowing this went on yet this story claims he knew it was common

      • Anonymous

        Yeah like any member of a sports team that ever played away in Maine since the 1960’s “didn’t know” this happened.

        Until adults get civilized and provide bathrooms on the buses used to ferry sports teams hundreds of miles, there will be peeing in containers. It sure beats some alternatives I can imagine.

  • Anonymous

    What’s the big deal anyway? Over the road truck drivers do this all the time.

  • bangorgirl

    IMO Principle Butler & AD Vanidestine need to hold their student athletes accountable for their stupid acts! but time after time incident after incident I hear about it doesn’t seem like they do! Seems to me that their the ones behind this whole situation! And yes they bow down to the Queen of BHS and they do as they want and are backed by her as well! And then hide behind the Confidentiality rule! Bunch of BS!

  • Anonymous

    O wow. A classic Maine tempest in a teapot story for sure. The highways of America are littered with jugs of urine. All oppugners fell free to ask any local or highway worker in any state. It is one of those nasty,taboo things many humans do but do not openly admit to,
    How did it all begin? Hour long commuter trips,add 1 or or 3 hours with crashes. Highways becoming parking lots in bad weather or with crashes. Lack of rest room facilities. Add coffee drinking. Also, You think closing down those Burger King rest areas plazas on the turnpike did not have dire consequences?
    Is it proper etiquette to urine in a vehicle? Ahhh, no. Is it sometimes necessary? Many people know that answer already.
    Now, about number “2” and long commutes. I am not sure how my fellow human handle that situation, but i would guess if you see a Walmart plastic bag along the highway and it looks like it has merchandise in it? I suggest to forget about stopping to look inside.

  • biscuit

    This article,and hopefully the last, was obviously written out of spite. Shame on you Larry. Just because you weren’t given the opportunity to report at the beginning of this mess. Jumping on the witchhunt bandwagon is all your left with I guess. Once again the BDN has proven itself to have little integrity. Through all these reports and comments,there is yet to be any mention of who the person(s) are that reported this incident.No investigation could be considered comprehensive without knowing the motives of the accuser. In the end, leaving a corrupt and unprofessional organization that is the Bangor athletic department is probably the best thing that could happen for this coach. After all,its not like he was taking Zumba classes.

    • Anonymous

      “No investigation could be considered comprehensive without knowing the motives of the accuser.”
      Hm. Coach admits to saying there would be no stops. Coach admits there was a problem with players peeing on the bus, coach admits to not doing anything about the peeing.
      The motives of whoever tipped the school off are irrelevent in this case, I would say. Besides, once the coach resigned, the case was closed.
      As for Mahoney writing out of spite, what exactly does that mean?

      • biscuit

        This article is nothing more than a reprint of ESPN’s interview. The coach admitted he was enforcing the A.D.’s cost cutting policy. I think the motivation of an accuser is relevant when a resignation is forced through intimidation. Once again, the A.D. hands down discipline, not the coach. I cant understand why people continue to ignore this.

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