Comments for: Educators, lawmakers disagree about whether armed schools are right for Maine

Posted Dec. 21, 2012, at 7:18 p.m.
Last modified Dec. 22, 2012, at 11:08 a.m.

AUGUSTA | The National Rifle Association’s call Friday to deploy armed security personnel in U.S. schools diverted the national debate, ignited by last week’s Sandy Hook shootings, away from gun control and mental health to how fortified schools should be. While some Maine educators and legislators say deploying armed …

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  • Anonymous

    Can you believe the NRA actually taking advantage of this tragedy to shill for more guns. There appears to be something missing from this organization – integrity. soon to be followed by more scare politics to fatten a few wallets.

    • Anonymous

      Can you believe MSNBC and the President and Democrats taking advantage to Ban Guns one day after this tragedy, There seems to be something missing in the democrats integrity.

      • Anonymous

        no one has called for a gun ban–esaggerate much??

        • Anonymous

          Liberals have been calling for gun bans of all types for years. What do you think the term “gun free zone” means? As an aside do you really believe calling something gun free will change a criminals mind? Maybe you think that before he gets to the school he sees some pretty liberal sign on the road that says “You are entering a gune free zone” and he stops the car and turns around because the sign made him realize that what he was planning was against the law?

          • Anonymous

            Plenty of conservatives want various gun bans, too. And plenty of liberals own guns. Bottom line: the majority of Americans want assault rifles banned, and big clips.

          • pbmann

            A “Gun Free Zone” means no guns in that zone. It does not ban you from owning a gun just from carrying it in to the gun free zone.

          • Anonymous

            And that “gun free zone” worked out so well in Aurora CO and Newtown CT

          • Yes, and so many gun-toting heroes of the NRA have stopped other shootings not located in gun-free zones. Right? There have been a few, but more guns does NOT equal less gun violence. That is idiocy.

          • Anonymous

            yes actually.
            there have been many instances gun owners stopping a crime in progress or defending themselves against an attacker.

          • Anonymous

            Here is a partial list of regular “Joe” citizens since July of this year.

            After locking up, a female employee of Cakes and Confections 4U was leaving the business through a back door when she realized she was cornered by two strange men. One man struck her in the jaw while the other ripped off her necklace and earrings. When the men then attempted to sexually assault the woman, she produced a concealed .32 cal. firearm from her
            waistband and fired. Both men immediately dropped the stolen jewelry and ran. It was last reported that the assailants were still at large. After the incident, the woman said her firearm saved her life and that she had a strong message to all women, “If you don’t have a gun or you’re scared of guns, get familiar with them and get a gun.” (FOX Carolina 21, Landrum, SC, 8/29/12)

            Pharmacist John Agyemang was working alone around 2 p.m. at Jolin’s Pharmacy when an armed man entered and demanded painkillers. Agyemang distracted the robber by telling him there was someone entering the store. When the suspect turned around, Agyemang dashed to the store’s back room where he
            kept his gun. According to police, multiple shots were fired and the suspect was able to get away on a mountain bike. It is unknown whether or not the suspect was wounded. There were no other reported injuries. (CBS, Winslow Township, NJ, 9/12/12)

            Scott Stith was in his bedroom when he heard a loud crash coming from the first floor of his home. He grabbed his .45 cal. pistol and crept downstairs to investigate. He spotted the silhouette of a man, but did not fire because he had teenage
            sons in the house and was not 100 percent sure of his target. He called out only to discover the man was an intruder who had broken through the glass of the back door. Stith held the 29-year-old intruder at gunpoint until police arrived. Everyone involved was reportedly unharmed. (Sandusky Register., Milan, OH, 9/29/12)

            Just before 2 a.m., a 25-year-old man shot another man in the head at Bonnie’s Food and Spirits after he was asked to leave. He then fatally shot another customer outside the pub. When he pointed his pistol at Mark Ktytor, however, Ktytor produced his
            own firearm and fired multiple rounds, leaving the assailant in critical condition. The suspect will be charged with criminal homicide and attempted homicide upon his release from the
            hospital. (The Times-Tribune, Plymouth, PA, 9/11/12)

            Two armed men stormed into a Dollar General store one evening and attempted to rob it. While the men held the store manager at gunpoint, a 57-year-old man carrying a concealed .45 cal. handgun, who had been shopping at the store at the time of the
            robbery, took action. The customer did not hesitate to draw his gun and fire at the suspects. One of the men robbing the store suffered fatal wounds to the head, chest and shoulder. The second suspect fled, but was later caught and charged with robbery and felony murder. There were reportedly no other injuries. (The Florida Times-Union, Jacksonville, FL, 8/29/12)

            Brianne Rodriguez heard a knock at her front door just before 9 a.m., but ignored it. A few minutes later, Rodriguez heard loud noises coming from her bedroom. When she went to investigate, she discovered a man wearing a ski mask in her home. The confrontation led to a struggle and Rodriguez was pushed to
            the floor and kicked in the face and ribs. The masked man then grabbed her screaming 2-year-old daughter and bolted for
            the door. Rodriguez quickly retrieved a shotgun she kept in her bedroom and followed. Upon seeing the gun, the man dropped the child and fled. He escaped with Rodriguez’s purse and some jewelry, but Rodriguez and her daughter sustained no serious injuries. (KSEE 24 NEWS, Fresno County, CA, 8/28/12)

            When the ex-husband of a woman living at Windmill Cove
            Apartments was not granted access to his ex-wife’s home by employees of the apartment complex, he warned that he would kick in the door. His ex-wife and a 35-year-old male friend were inside when they heard yelling and someone violently kicking the door. When the door gave way and the man came inside, the friend fired several rounds from his handgun. The man suffered multiple gunshot wounds that proved fatal. (KSL, Sandy, UT, 9/2/12)

            John Mutter was asleep in his bed around 2:15 a.m. when he was awakened by a man with a shotgun pointed at his head. Mutter, a paraplegic living alone, kept his own gun nearby for
            protection. He quickly grabbed his gun and fired multiple times killing the intruder. Police investigating the incident believed the man had entered the home looking for medication, money or anything of value. (The Columbus Dispatch, Johnstown, OH, 7/22/12)

            Gerald Mirto, 67, heard noises coming from his backyard and went to investigate. When he noticed the screen door had been broken, Mirto spotted the culprit standing just outside. The 25-year-old suspect was not wearing any clothing and was asked to leave repeatedly. There was a struggle in which Mirto was bitten in the arm and punched in the head. Mirto was able to escape and retreat to the second floor of his home where he
            retrieved a handgun. He then found the intruder attempting to steal his television. The intruder reportedly instigated a second physical altercation. That is when Mirto shot the man in the chest. Police apprehended the intruder a short time later. (Milford Patch, Milford, CT, 7/23/12)

            Guns and Ammo Gunsmith was targeted by three burglars shortly before 4 a.m. The store owner, Stephen Bayazes Jr., 57,
            and his wife were asleep in their apartment at the back of the business when they heard a loud crash accompanied by the activation of a silent alarm. Bayazes grabbed a rifle and found three men loading guns into a van that had crashed through the side wall of the store. Bayazes fired multiple times after being threatened by the men. He then retreated to his bedroom to reload. When Bayazes emerged, he witnessed two of the men
            drive away leaving behind their accomplice who was badly wounded; the burglar later died at the hospital. The other two burglars were found a short time later when they sought help for injuries of their own. (The Augusta Chronicle, North Augusta, SC, 8/9/12)

            Two women were taking a walk in their neighborhood one morning when they encountered two loose pit bulls; a male and female. The male dog attacked one of the women, 48, biting her right elbow and leg. The aggressive dog had the victim on the ground when a neighbor heard her screams. He came outside to assist the injured woman and her friend when the dog reportedly turned on him. When the dog came at the neighbor in an aggressive manner, he shot the dog in the shoulder with his
            pistol. The dog ran off, but was later found and euthanized. The female pit bull was not involved in the attack and was taken to a local animal shelter. The victim of the attack had suffered a broken elbow and was taken to the hospital to be treated. Neither the woman’s friend nor the neighbor had been injured. (The Ranger, Riverton, WY, 7/6/12)

            Martha Lewis was at home with her two daughters when she heard a loud noise. It was 3 a.m., so Lewis immediately called police and grabbed her gun. She went to her daughters’ room and told them each to get something with which to defend themselves. They were at the top of the stairs when a man, who had kicked in the door and entered the home, spotted them. When the man started up the stairs toward them, Lewis warned the intruder that she would shoot him. When he ignored her warnings, Lewis fired causing him to stumble outside where police found him. The 25-year-old male was hospitalized in stable condition. After the incident, Lewis said, “There’s so much talk about banning guns and gun control, but they’re for protection. There’s no way that I could have fought him off.” (The Blaze, Dora, AL, 8/17/12)

    • Anonymous

      Obama halted the realease of how the kids got shoot… No assult weapon was used, yet before they do a news realease he want’s to pass a law banning certain weapons.. funny how the media is hiding the fact the children got shot with pistols, the assult weapon was found in the car unfired. Talk about explotation by Mr Obama

      • Anonymous

        You must be quite the conspiracy theorist. President Obama is in league with the Connecticut police and the media in a lie about the killer using a pistol and not the Bushmaster AR-15 which was left in his car. That’s a lot of people supporting a lie.

        • Bright

          So many peolpe disregard human nature when promoting these foolish conspiracies, of course our disagreement may make us complicit as well.

        • Anonymous

          consider the name he chose for himself “PUSH the RED button ” It speaks volumes.

          • Anonymous

            “It’s Easy”

        • pbmann

          You forgot the witnesses and family members too.

      • Anonymous

        The media got it wrong out of the gate — they also said the guys mother was a teacher at the school– that was wrong too.

      • pbmann

        Talk about a foolish, not based on facts, post.

    • Anonymous

      what is missing is brain cells what is present is a lot of gall..

    • Anonymous

      so, what’s your solution?

      so far you liberals solutions have absolutely failed.

      time to arm the teachers. they are already tasked with protecting our children.
      give them the tools to see that they can.

      • Anonymous

        I agree that teachers should be allowed to have a weapon locked away if that is their choice. I don’t think schools should be directed to have armed protection. After all, there is the practical matter of financing for such measures.

      • pbmann

        There are more guns in America there any other country in the world and yet we have one of the most violent and dangerous developed countries in the world.

        I would say that arming everyone possible is not working.

      • LOL at “arm the teachers.” You right wing nuts already HATE the teachers, and talk about how incompetent and greedy they are. Now you want them armed? Wow, how stupid ARE you people? Does the stupidity of the gun lovers and right wing know no bounds?

        • Anonymous

          I don’t hate the teachers.
          And i’m fairly certain that salary, wages, or educational performance was on the mind of any of the victims of the shootings.
          They were more concerned with the safety of their students than their own.

          the principal in ct charged at the attacker.
          do you think she was thinking “i don’t get paid enough for this”
          ?
          how stupid are you?

  • Anonymous

    Arm the children! Arm the teachers! Arm the administrators! Arm the bus drivers! Arm everyone!

    (psst – buy stock in the firearm companies)

    • Anonymous

      Do you think the bad guys will disarm?

      • pbmann

        Do you truly believe a gun will make you safer?

        If you own a gun you are more likely to die from a gun.

        • Anonymous

          You answered a question with a question pb.

          Do you think the bad guys will disarm?

          Simple straight forward question that oh so many on the disarm, lets ban, lets limit access, etc…crowd have a hard time answering.

          Make a deal with you pb…if you answer my simple question I will happily answer yours.

          • pbmann

            I think the vast majority would disarm if you made committing the crime with a gun carry an automatic consecutive sentence of 25 years.

          • alf999

            All of the shooters were on a suicide mission, they will not disarm.

          • pbmann

            Vast majority of criminals, not the shooters but if guns were harder to come by then there would probably be less gun violence.

          • Anonymous

            You can believe it if you want pb but Illinois has a state wide ban on concealed carry and Chicago has one of the highest murder rates so far this year.

            In Michigan you need a permit to purchase a pistol, it has to be registered with the local police department and you need a permit to carry it concealed and yet Detroit leads the nation is violent crime.

            Go figure but I do agree with your statement that committing a crime with a gun (any gun) should receive time tacked onto the end of their sentence which is can NOT be plea bargained down.

          • pbmann

            If I want to own a gun or commit a gun crime in Chicago how far would I have to drive to get a gun, 100 miles, 200 miles, 500 miles all within a days travel.

            Same with Detroit or any city/state that wants to limit certain types of guns.

          • Anonymous

            The question was pb “Do you think the bad guys will disarm?”

            It is illegal anywhere in Illinois to carry a concealed weapon but Chicago leads the nation in murders this year. Doesn’t sound like the bad guys are obeying the laws in Illinois.

          • Hypothetically, if guns were made illegal, eventually all guns would be gone.

            Continuing to throw more guns into the hands of every moron that wants one ensures that the supply of guns to criminals will NEVER stop.

          • Where do you gun idiots think bad guys buy guns? From the “Bad Guys Can Buy Guns Here Store?” No, bad guys get guns that were originally in the hands of someone who owned it legally.

            Do you think that bad guys get their guns from a special stockpile of “Bad Guy Gun Supply?” Nope, idiots that sell on Uncle Henry’s or at Gun Shows put the guns into the bad guy’s hands.

          • Anonymous

            i would surmise that many guns are stolen.

          • He answered your ridiculous question with a question, which he then provided an answer for. Let me break it down for you, genius:

            A. Bad guys have guns (please note that all guns started out as legal, the bad guys got their guns from someone who at first legally had them).

            B. Frightened, misinformed cowards get guns to protect themselves from bad guys with guns.

            C. People who get guns to “protect themselves” end up getting killed or wounded, or having their family killed or wounded, at a higher rate than the brave intelligent people who understand that owning a gun only puts you more at risk of being killed or injured if you own a gun!

            SYNOPSIS: Owning a gun, even if you are a “good God fearing NRA member” means you will be shot by a gun at a much higher rate than someone who does not own a gun.

          • Anonymous

            Bronco let me ask you a simple question.

            Do You Think The Bad Guys Will Disarm?

            My firearms have never hurt anything aside from a piece of paper, water jugs and clay pigeons. But if you arrive at my home in the middle of the night with the intent to do bodily harm to my family that string of paper, plastic and clay may end.

        • Anonymous

          yes, i do think i’m safer with a firearm.

          for example, there was a belligerent individual walking down the road i live on. I live very close to a park.
          The man was clearly on some sort of hallucinogenic drug and was yelling and threatening everyone around him.
          So, i called the police, and timed the response.
          8 minutes.

          a lot can happen in 8 minutes, and let’s just say that someone’s about to kick in your door to rape/murder you, a gun in the hand is far better than a cop on the phone.

          • pbmann

            Your example is not a good one. In the 8 minutes it took for the police to arrive nothing happened.

            If someone does attempt to get into my home they will be in for the fight of their life because I have unarmed combat training from the Marines and Hapkaido martial arts training to defend myself.

            The tools I have available to defend my self cannot be stolen (to be used in a crime later) nor turned against me by an assailant unlike that gun you rely on for protection.

    • Anonymous

      You made my pioint The NRA( and you) are nothing but a marketer for gun manufacturers..The more guns the better in their eyes.. They want to NORMALIZE violence and the USE of a gun to solve problems.

      • psst, you still aren’t very good at detecting sarcasm there girl. ;)

      • Anonymous

        so if you believe so much in non-violence to solve problems then why do you call the police to help you when someone attacks?

  • Anonymous

    We protect private business/corporation air lines, after 9/11 metal detectors at our federal buildings and court houses, and now hospitals, but leave our children and the schools unsafe, the Norway shooter got around their gun laws, so will any nut here, this is our REALITY now, so it’s time to step up to the plate, and protect our kids at any cost.

    • Anonymous

      At any cost? Martial Law?

    • Anonymous

      police state? and at the mall and movie theater and the work place and church ad,and,and?On taxpayets dime?

      • Anonymous

        How about you just stop declaring places “gun free zones”? It’s pretty obvious that doesn’t prevent anything.

    • Anonymous

      Does that include banning those assault type weapons, limiting clip size, having background checks done at gun shows? If so , I agree.If your only suggestion is to arm schools, then I’m sorry, it must be a muli-area aproach, not just a band-aide approach.

      • Anonymous

        I have bought a few guns at gun shows and since the background check came about I have always had one done.

        • Gun dealers have to do background checks at gun shows. If Joe Redneck wants to sell guns at a gun show, he is free to do so, no background check needed. Same with Uncle Henry’s. Where do you dolts think the criminals get all their guns from?!?!

          • Anonymous

            not from uncle henrys.

    • “At any cost.” You mean like the cost of actually living the 2nd Amendment as intended, with a well-regulated militia?

      Great. All gun owners must belong to a militia, and have their firearms registered with the militia. The militia will check on a quarterly basis that you are properly storing and safeguarding your arms.

      If someone who has a firearm is not in compliance with the militia rules, they lose their firearm.

      THAT is what the 2nd Amendment meant.

  • Bill Cat

    Agree, disagree, cluck like a chicken — lets get right down to it. Who has to PAY for all these armed guards? Certainly not the NRA or any of the buddy-boys in DC. Seems to me the NRA just told the whole country: “It’s video games and violence on TV caused all this! Now pay some guards to protect you from those other madmen we been selling combat weapons to…”

    • Anonymous

      Oh perhaps what they said was, “It’s the video games and violence on TV that caused this. Now pay some guards to protect you from the mademen YOU’VE created because you were too lazy to be a damn parents and used a square box to occupy your children’s time.” Hmmm….

      • Bill Cat

        Lets don’t try to swing into blame the parents, really doesn’t work. How about the idea that “Sorry, both your folks will have to work 12 hour shifts at minimum wage just to put food on the table and keep the lights on, so do the beat ya can, kids.” Maybe be tough to believe, but the option of one parent in a blue-collar family staying home to get involved with the kids went out about twenty years ago.

        Pally, we could drive this lets-blame-somebody routine into the dust — there’s no pat answer. It’s become such a blame-game that most folks aren’t even paying attention to the present anymore. So much money and crooked politics behind it that nobody in office can honestly make a decision about what ought to be done next.

        The present: there are 310 million registered non-military firearms in a country of about 314 million people. — which, of course, doesn’t count hand-me-downs and black market weapons. NRA is taking the heat because it chose to step in there as mouthpiece for ALL the arms mfrs on a national level, that’s all

        • Anonymous

          I’m not in the NRA and frankly didn’t care for their solution yesterday because it wasn’t original and didn’t breach the topic of how do we stop this from happening in the first place.. I’m also fully aware that firearms were and are going to be the hot topic in this issue. However, firearms are not the cause and there has been no debate whatsoever as to anything other than firearms with some mental health questions thrown in. Perhaps my above comment was a bit quick on the trigger but I’ve become damn frustrated with both the pro and anti gun finger pointing at each other. It’s not accomplishing anything.

          There is an over abundance of misinformation flowing from so many people, especially the media. I’ve attempted to debate these topics with people both in the past and after last week and it’s hard to overcome or to even get people to look at evidence that points in another direction than they’re willing to believe. I’ve read many anti-gun publications, pro, and other view points because I like to find facts. However, if my opinion if we don’t look at ourselves, how we over medicate ourselves and our children; spend too much time watching and playing violent movies and video games; allow our food supply to be filled with chemicals; spend so much time in artificial light that we have to take Vit D supplements, and overwork people to the point of barely being able to function, all this is going to continue with or without guns.

          • Anonymous

            Other countries with violent video games and other such factors do not have the gun-violence problem we have. What they do have, and we don’t, is a ban on assault weapons and much heavier gun restrictions.

            “The data in social science are rarely this clear. They strongly suggest that we have so much more gun violence than other countries because we have far more permissive laws than others regarding the sale and possession of guns. With 5 percent of the world’s population, the United States has 50 percent of the guns.”

            http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/fareed-zakaria-the-solution-to-gun-violence-is-clear/2012/12/19/110a6f82-4a15-11e2-b6f0-e851e741d196_story.html

          • Anonymous

            I’ll admit the numbers are there that other countries don’t have the gun violence we have but London is now considered one of the most dangerous cities in the world due to a rise in crime. Australia, which is another country which has basically banned all firearms has seen an increase in crime, especially home invasions since its inception. These countries also do not have the issues that we have with drugs and organized crime. How long would it be before the Mexican cartels moved into the Southern US and began to do what they’re currently doing to the towns in Mexico if we enacted their laws?
            Norway had a mass killing a couple years ago as well. They are a highly restrictive country when it comes to firearms. The shooter himself stated that he played first person shooter games for hours on end before killing 76 people. I’m not saying that the games and/or tv are the whole of the issue, but I do believe they’re more a causation than firearms.

          • Bright

            Other countries have far different socio-economic climates than our free wheeling everyone else is to blame society. Failure to understand all the variables makes the statistics garnered useless.

          • Anonymous

            So I take it SpruceDweller is the bought and paid for government troll on this board?

          • You’re right, firearms are not the cause. Why, just the other day, I was at Hannaford’s and I killed 26 people in 3 minutes with a cucumber, a zucchini, and a box of spaghetti.

          • Anonymous

            you’re right.
            every single day i go to work i have to disassemble my gun, put the parts in separate safes, and hide the ammo, or else my gun might grow legs and go out on a rampage while i’m away.

          • Anonymous

            You’re still here? You haven’t given an enlightened answer or non emotional response in any responses to me. You’re excused now, the adults are trying to sort some things through.

      • a dope boy

        Modern day latch key kids, privileged mind you. My educated parents even smoked dope in front of us. I’m the only one out of three who escaped the failed utopia of the University mind set of dance naked around the camp fire and hope you don’t get burned. (in life as well)

        Needless to say I keep a watchful ear open when the the grand kids are visiting so good ‘ole mom & dad don’t fill them with some more b.s.

        Have you heard of the latest online violent video game, Kindergarten Teacher killer !?

    • Anonymous

      if it would save even just one life, it would be worth any price.

    • Anonymous

      Agreed. All this talk of arming principals and teachers and of hiring armed guards (with all the money schools already don’t have) is a diversion put forward by people who are, one way or another, addicted to guns. It’s like an alcoholic coming out with a hundred things he/she can do to be a better spouse/parent/worker instead of actually admitting to too much drinking.

      It may be appropriate for some principals to receive gun training and to hire armed guards at some schools. However, to think that will help in more than a few circumstances is wishful thinking. (Will the principal be lugging an assault rifle around the halls with her on a regular basis? Will he dress in kevlar clothing at the start of each day?) To some extent, arming citizens with a certain level of firepower is just a challenge to wackos to acquire the next higher level of firepower. Next years attacks could be via rocket-propelled grenades.

      For the foreseeable future, guns will be a part of security in our society. But let’s admit that trying to reach security through more guns is like bailing the ocean with a sieve. Some will try to feel safer by buying bigger weapons with more firepower — and they will lie awake at night worrying that their neighbors might be buying even bigger, more powerful guns. True security, as the world’s great religions remind us, is best sought through the relationships we form and the compassion we demonstrate.

      • a dope boy

        Yeah, unfortunately only 1 out of 10 practice your Gandhi theory. And that’s a liberal estimate. It is what it is, and as Billy Joel once made note, we didn’t start the fire..

        • Anonymous

          The truly ironic thing is that 7 out of 10* Americans who own guns for self-defense call themselves Christians. Yet their whole approach to achieving security is the exact opposite of what Jesus preached.

          Can you picture Jesus with an assault rifle? Filing for a concealed weapons permit?

          *A shamelessly made-up statistic.

          • a dope boy

            Jesus wasn’t a wimp contrary to popular belief. He prove that in the temple when he threw the merchants out.
            And while he may have only ever been just a really good teacher, God the Father doesn’t get involved in mankind’s decisions, other wise we have no free will to chose.

            But, one must never fail to understand God’s anger..

          • Anonymous

            Well said.

          • a dope boy
          • Anonymous

            I’ve never read where Christ was an effeminate wimp, the way He’s portrayed most of the time. He told people exactly the way it was, whether they wanted to hear it or not. Since when are Christians supposed to be pacifists? The Bible says they will be persecuted for their faith, and for doing right, and that they are to take it. The Bible also teaches that each individual is responsible to God for his own actions. It also teaches parents being responsible for children, and children being responsible to their parents. Nowhere does the Bible teach that one can’t defend oneself from a violent criminal. Actually, for a parent not to provide (shelter, food, security) for his/her own family is considered a grievous sin.

          • Never heard of “turn the other cheek,” have you?

        • Anonymous
    • Anonymous

      Regardless of what the NRA does, it would not have prevented the kook from stealing his kook mother’s guns and blasting away. She knew she had an unstable monster on her hands, and for some reason, she decided playing gun collector was a good idea. Have you seen her photos? She was as nutty as her little monster son.

    • If the NRA wants armed guards at every school at a cost of billions of dollars, put a surcharge on the purchase of all guns to cover it.

      And if a surcharge was instituted, how fast do you think the insane NRA would claim that we don’t need armed guards in schools?

      The NRA is a laughingstock; only idiots are buying into them now.

      • a dope boy

        Get a grip. Try thinking of it as creating jobs, something this nation has been in short supply of.

  • Guest

    There were armed guards at Columbine. Didn’t stop that tragedy.

    • Anonymous

      Seems that there is a bit of confusion on the number of armed guards at Columbine. Gawker says one armed guard and names him, “Gardner, seeing [Eric] Harris working with his gun, leaned over the top of the car and fired four shots. He was 60 yards from the gunman. Harris spun hard to the right and Gardner momentarily thought he had hit him. Seconds later, Harris began shooting again at the deputy.

      After the exchange of gunfire, Harris ran back into the building. Gardner was able to get on the police radio and called for assistance from other Sheriff’s units. “Shots in the building. I need someone in the south lot with me.”

      It was 11:26 a.m. Only five minutes had passed since Jefferson County Sheriff’s dispatch center had announced a bomb explosion and subsequent fire on South Wadsworth Boulevard.”

      FT.com states “analysts pointed out that there were two armed guards present at Columbine high school in Colorado, the scene of the 1999 shooting in which 15 people were killed.”

      I wonder how many more WOULD have been killed if there wasn’t an armed guard (Deputy) at the school? He not only engaged the one of the shooters but called for backup too.

      • Anonymous

        and 15 people were still shot and 86 wounded!!Not much of a solution I’d say…

        • Anonymous

          And if he wasn’t there how many would have been murdered? 30? 60? 86? Would the bombs have killed more if not for the intervention and calling for backup?

        • Anonymous

          Lanza came across the parking lot, weapon in hand, dressed in Battle Dress Uniform, and then shot his way through the locked door to gain access to the school. I have a pretty good idea that a properly trained armed gaurd at the ready would have made a big difference.

          • Anonymous

            You mean like the New York police offericers who recently tried to stop a gunman and ended up shooting nine innocent bystanders to death?

          • To be fair, they didn’t kill 9 bystanders; they killed the gunman. But they did shoot and wound a whole bunch of innocent people, too.

            But maybe they weren’t members of the NRA? Because NRA gunmen can ALWAYS shoot and kill the bad guy with no collateral damage (in their gun-loving deranged fantasies, that is).

          • Anonymous

            I’m not saying it is a great solution. However, it is probablly more likely to happen before assault style weapons can be removed from the streets, before laws are in place to keep firearms out of the hands of people like Lanza, before there is better access to mental health, before our society stops glamourizing gun violence. With these incidents becomming more and more common something needs to happen now, and even if laws were passed by the time kids return to school after the holiday season how long do you suppose it would be before the results of those laws were tangible?

    • Anonymous

      No disrespect to outsourced –contracted security( do not have the regular required intense training of police and military). but were the “armed guards” official law enforcement?

      • Anonymous

        My understanding is the “armed guard” was really a Deputy Sheriff.

        • Anonymous

          the “deputy” was not at the school at the time of the shooting.

          and the other “officer” was a unarmed “security officer” hired by the school district.

          what good is any security personnel if they’re not there to do their jobs?
          and what good would the unarmed officer had done against 2 armed attackers.

  • Anonymous

    There were armed guards at Columbine High School.

    • Anonymous

      I’m not saying this is the answer because I’m still trying to work my mind around everything and decide what I think is good and bad but I will say since Columbine training for law enforcement to handle these sort of incidents has changed and improved dramatically. LEO’s get more hands on training with experiences such as active shooter training that, at least in some areas, I know is done by SWAT/Tactical teams.

    • Anonymous

      and at the parking lot in Colorado…and arned civilian in the movie theater who realized their getting into the fray wouldn’t help.BUT might hurt.

      • Bright

        Huh, so maybe there was one responsible gun owner in the US that day? Just maybe having a gun isn’t everything, but there may be a time when it’s the one thing that’s needed. In fact many cases in the last few years proves that they can make a positive difference. I still don’t agree with arming schools, but simpler measures of double sets of high windowed locked doors, would buy far more time for the police to engage these nut jobs.

    • Anonymous

      Yes and more kids got out thanks to their actions.

      • Bright

        How so, the shooter was dead on arrival? I think the police did their jobs but lets not think they made the situation better, in reality the threat was self-neutralized before they arrived.

    • Anonymous

      Virginia Tech has it’s own police force.

      • Anonymous

        and not one of them were at the hall that the shooting started in.

        the teachers are always there, they are the ones that have surrendered their lives while waiting for good men with guns (police) to arrive.

        • You HATE teachers. You talk about how incompetent and greedy they are. Why do you suddenly want to arm them?

          • Anonymous

            I don’t hate teachers.
            and you are trolling.

    • Anonymous

      Fort Hood has hundreds, maybe even thousands, of armed and trained soldiers.

      • Bright

        Both Ft. Hood and V Tech prove no one can rely on others to protect them, except politicians and milllionaire with their own security details.

      • Anonymous

        actually, soldiers were not allowed to be armed on base. only military police.

  • Faith McFarland

    As a mother of 2 and one on the way, I say GO FOR IT! It’s obvious criminals don’t listen to laws, and it’s obvious that evil people will get access to weapons that arnt their own. The “bad guys” have guns, why shouldn’t those protecting our kids at school have one?? You have all heard what they are saying, it was a small town, with the same security at school as we do in Maine. If that principal had a gun, she could have and I’m sure would have shot the evil that blasted through the school that day. As long as the adults are trained, and take all safety precautions, why shouldn’t they be able to protect our children, our future with out them, we have nothing! I’m not saying every teacher, and of couse they need quarterly mental health exams to qualify to have the gun there, but as long as we are smart, and careful, and safe about it, why not?? One person in that office with a gun, could have saved over 2 dozen life’s…. Sounds smart to me.

    • Anonymous

      any of your kids in school??

      • Faith McFarland

        Yes, my 10yr old son. My 4yr old daughter goes next year.

    • Anonymous

      “If that principal had a gun, she could have and I’m sure would have shot the evil that blasted through the school that day. ”

      Because there’s no possible chance Lamza could have shot the principal instead.

      • Anonymous

        At least there was a chance that Lanza would’ve been dead before he could do much harm. Lanza chose the school because he knew there wouldn’t be any resistance.

        • Anonymous

          You have no idea why Lanza chose the school. The bottom line: he had access to assault weapons because they were legal and the owner taught him to use them.

          • Anonymous

            Actually, I do have an idea. I read an article on yahoo news, which I posted here yesterday, that quoted the FBI as saying that he carefully planned out his attack, left no trail, and chose the school because there would be very little resistance.

            He did not use an assault rifle. If he hadn’t had access to a firearm, he would have found another way. The article stated that he was very intelligent.

            A direct quote from the artice:

            “If you pick older people you are going to have some blowback,” O’Toole (FBI agent) said. “He didn’t want people to interfere. When people take security measures like that, you know what you are doing is wrong.”

          • Anonymous

            He did use an assault rifle–a Bushmaster. Anyone can google an image of this weapon and see what it is. The fact you’re trying to make it seem like less than it is–a mass murderer’s dream–is telling.

            http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/12/19/bushmaster-223-weapon-used-in-newtown-shooting-a-lightning-rod-in-gun-debate/

            The FBI is in the early stages of its investigation. They don’t know anything, really, and even they admit that. And he might well have picked the school because his mother worked there. They really don’t know. Admit it.

            An attacker in a school in China recently used a knife–and not a single child was killed. What if that attacker had an assault rifle, Bushmaster, like Lanza did?

          • Anonymous

            To compare China to the U.S. is telling. China is a totalitarian nation. I’ve been there. We wouldn’t be doing what were doing right now. It isn’t allowed. You want to live like that? The reason they don’t have as much crime over there is because they have the death penalty for things like stealing, and there is no appeals process. They put people in prison for worshiping as they want. One doesn’t criticize, openly, their government over there. There is no freedom of speech. There is no Bill of Rights. They don’t vote their leaders in, they just do as they’re told.

            It wasn’t an assault rifle. An assault rifle, if there is one, is select fire, fully automatic. He didn’t have one. There is not one difference for the end user, other than cosmetic, from an AR style rifle, and any other semi-auto firearm.

            Further, why doesn’t the media explore the link between the prescription drug, Fanapt, that Lanza was on and the aggressive crime he committed? Why don’t they blame the pharmaceutical company that produces it, or the government agency that approves it, or the doctor that prescribes it, all knowing that the side-effects produced are exactly like the symptoms that it is prescribed for? That’s the same logic that they apply to guns. Because it doesn’t fit into their agenda of disarming the American public. The gun/gun manufacturer is an easy scapegoat.

          • Anonymous

            Spruce his mother NEVER worked at the school. She was never employed anywhere with the school department. It is one of many “errors” that came out in early reporting. Some of the others:

            Early Reporting – He murdered his dad.
            Fact – His dad is very much alive.

            Early Reporting – A man dressed in camouflage and found in the nearby woods is being questioned by police for his involvement.
            Fact – never happened

            Early Reporting – The man found in the woods being questioned by police is the shooters brother.
            Fact – His brother was working in New York and learned he was a “suspect” from a news report.

            Early Reporting – He was buzzed into the school.
            Fact – He shot his way through a locked school door.

            Early Reporting – His mother was a kindergarten teacher, substitute teacher, teachers aid, once worked at the school.
            Fact – The mother had NO association with the school at all.

            Admit it, you have no idea about the facts of the shooting.

          • Anonymous

            It’s also been reported that Lanza was taking Fanapt, a violence linked anti-psychotic drug, that has a long list of violent and aggressive side effects and has, at best, a checkered approval history with the FDA. Right off the label for Fanapt’s list of frequent side effects:

            Psychiatric Disorders: Frequent – restlessness, aggression, delusion;

            Off the label again:

            Infrequent – hostility, libido decreased, paranoia,

            anorgasmia, confusional state, mania, catatonia, mood swings, panic attack, obsessive-compulsive disorder, bulimia

            nervosa, delirium, polydipsia psychogenic, impulse-control disorder, major depression

            That’s just the neurological side effects, the physical list of side-effects is larger and just as disturbing.

            The fact remains, this guy had severe problems, that were probably greatly exacerbated by his meds. He lost it, and was going to find a way to do what he did.

        • pbmann

          Umm… the principal was one of the first to be killed.

          So a different school would have had an armed principal?

          Do you even read your own posts?

          • Anonymous

            So what’s your point? The principal wasn’t armed, and was shot dead. If the principal had been armed, then maybe things would be different. You obviously didn’t read my post, or have a problem with simple comprehension.

          • pbmann

            My point being that if the principal had a gun she would still be just a dead because Lanza would have gone after her first to get rid of the threat of the gun. He wasn’t just sick he was smart enough to realize that he would have to remove the threat of the gun in the hands of the principal.

          • Anonymous

            Really, he definitely would have shot the principal? If he had known that some of the teachers were armed, since he was so intelligent, he may have been deterred from even going to the school. The principal was shot anyway, at least she would have had a chance to eliminate the threat. As it was she had none at all.

      • Anonymous

        In case you didn’t notice Lanza DID shoot the UNARMED principal. Point blank, no mercy. Had she been armed they all would have had at the very least,a chance of survival. As it stands now and it is obvious they had NO CHANCE at survival and it’s people like you who want them to remain targets for the next crazy that enters a school with malicious intent. Your line if thinking is not helping to correct the problem,rather your line of thinking is the contributing to the problem.

        • Anonymous

          Having a gun does not increase your change of survival much at all–unless you are highly trained to use it, and have very quick reflexes and constant vigilance–which also increases the chance you will accidentally shoot innocent people. New York police officers who shot at a gunman recently ended up killing nine innocent people.

          Take away assault rifles, reduce deaths. The US has by far the worst rate of gun death among wealthy countries.

          • Anonymous

            Doesn’t saymuch for the quality of training of UNION officers in the NYPD, does it? If you can’t trust a teacher with a gun why would you trust them with your children?

          • Bright

            Instead we trust them to form their young minds…

          • REBECCA, you say UNION cops are poorly trained, yet you want UNION teachers to have guns? Oh, the hypocrisy, it makes me weep for how utterly ignorant and unintelligent so many tens of millions of Americans are.

          • Anonymous

            possibly, but NOT having a gun guarantees a 0% survival rate.
            unless you’re lucky enough to run away or hide.

    • VERY well said Faith, I totally agree!!!!

    • Anonymous

      There were armed guards at Columbine, and it didn’t stop the killing.

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/21/columbine-armed-guards_n_2347096.html

    • Aldin1

      Totally agree. If you can’t trust the teachers with a gun, why would you trust them with your child?

    • pbmann

      Yes, lets raise our children to be scared sheep who need armed guards to protect them and that they need to be armed to the teeth to feel safe.

      Not a country I would like to live in.

      • Anonymous

        Does that mean our elected officials are “scared sheep” since the have metal detectors, armed state and federal law enforcement agencies, “special” planes, cars, buses, etc…?

        • pbmann

          Law makers are legitimate targets of not just crazies but people with political agendas that may require violence to accomplish their agendas.

          • Anonymous

            So our politicians lives are more important to protect then us “regular” Joe citizens? By the way I think you will find ANY person that commits a violent crime has an agenda.

          • pbmann

            No I do not think a politicians life is more important but they are more likely to be a target than an ordinary citizen.

            How many attempts on a President do you think there would be on an annual basis if not for their protection?

          • Anonymous

            When was the last time a Maine legislature or a U.S. Congressmen or Senator came under a violent attack of any kind?

            When was the last time “Joe” citizen came under a violent attack of any kind in Maine?

          • pbmann

            Seeing as there are over a million people in Maine and 4 members of the US congress and less than 200 in the Maine Legislature the odds are much more in favor of a “Joe” citizen being attacked.

          • Anonymous

            So why the heavy security for the “4 members of the US congress and less than 200 in the Maine Legislature” if the odds are so low? Wouldn’t that money being spent on security be better spend putting more police on the street to “protect” the average Joe citizen?

          • pbmann

            Talk to the Republican’s about cutting funding for police.

            And your argument that political leaders do not need more protection then private citizen is juvenile and stupid, and a straw argument.

          • Anonymous

            One thing I have learned with posters is when they start using insults, calling names, etc…they have either lost the argument or have no other logical points to make.

          • Anonymous

            exactly.

            how many attempts or shootings would happen at a school if there were either armed guards, or the teachers were armed?

            by admitting that the politicians need people with guns to protect them you basically concur with the fact that more guns is indeed the answer.

          • pbmann

            No, you are so wrong.

            We are the most heavily armed nation in the world and yet every industrialized and civilized nation is safer than the US.

            How can that be if they don’t have every law abiding person packing that the NRA tells us we need to defend ourselves against all the mass murderers out there preying on unarmed individuals?

          • Anonymous

            multiple factors play into it.

            the rest of the nations you’re referring to have about 1/3 the population of the u.s.

            let’s take germany for instance:
            81 million people,
            strict gun laws, limited weapons, etc.
            there has been mass shootings there, even with all their gun control laws.

            Norway,
            4 million people.
            very strict gun control laws.
            a mass shooting occurred there just last year.

            so yes, you do need to defend yourself.
            because regardless of where you are, there are evil people. these evil people don’t care about laws, don’t follow rules, and their only goal is to prey on the innocent and defenseless.

          • pbmann

            Population isn’t really a factor.

            Population density is and all European countries have a more dense population than the US does. That is why cities have higher crime rates than the surrounding suburbs and rural areas.

            Yes every country will have there occasional mass murder but the US has one about every two weeks. Norway has had one since 1945,

          • Anonymous

            and a 5y.o. is not a legitamate target…..?

          • pbmann

            No a five year old is never a legitimate target…. how sick are you to think one is?

          • Anonymous

            “Law makers are legitimate targets of not just crazies but people with political agendas that may require violence to accomplish their agendas”
            Responding to your statement…….please clarify.

          • pbmann

            What part of “No a five year old is never a legitimate target” needs to be clarified?

          • Anonymous

            pbmann> Faith McFarland•a day ago

            “Yes, lets raise our children to be scared sheep who need armed guards to protect them and that they need to be armed to the teeth to feel safe.

            Not a country I would like to live in”

            another one of your statements.

            No…..I don’t think I need to clarify …You obviously don’t care about the safety of the children.

          • Anonymous

            what makes a politician any more important than my child?

          • pbmann

            To you one one is more important then your child but to the nation a politician is much more likely to be the target of an attack than your child is.

          • Anonymous

            when was the last time a politician was a target of an attack?
            why hasn’t there been any successful attacks on politicians in a long time?

            I do believe it would be because they have ARMED guards and agents protecting them. It discourages attacks if the attacker knows that they would most likely die before reaching their objective.

        • Alec Cunningham

          Good point. We have been trained to be scared sheep these past many years, especially since 9/11. “If you suspect it, report it.” Take off your shoes before you board a plan. Get your body x-rayed as well. Surveillance cameras covering every square foot in most major cities. Automatic license plate readers on prowl cars. All because we are told that anyone, anywhere, might do something to harm someone else. We already live in a “scared sheep” country.

  • Anonymous

    Interesting; Just last week, the Sportsman’s Alliance of Maine was promoting a raffle for a .223 Bushmaster { child killer } rifle, in the BDN Outdoor’s Winter 2012 supplement. I inquired of the BDN, how much $$ they made on the advertisement. Didn’t get a response yet. I wonder what type of background check happens in a raffle?

    • Bright

      Yeah because shotguns, revolvers, and cars don’t kill kids too, right?

      • Anonymous

        they didn’t kill THESE kids or those at the movie theater or at the mall.

        • Anonymous

          And when they are used next you will want them banned as well. When will you learn that your answers are the wrong ones? When we are all targets without a means to defend ourselves?

      • Anonymous

        Sir, Thank you for the question. I prefer to keep the conversation on the children and what happened to them on that day, in the room, with that weapon, the.223 Bushmaster
        In my opinion the AR is manufactured to exactly resemble a full auto capable assault rifle; Also be provided with 30/100 round mags/clips to give the shooter a more realistic auto feeling; hence the attraction,
        particularly to those who desire to commit mass murder. Short of handing a murderer a full auto assault rifle, you make the next best thing available to him.
        Sir, I have a question for you.
        Would you please and I truly mean please, try for one moment , to think of the sheer terror, no nightmarish horror, those 6 year old children and the young gal teachers experienced. Their rooms are approx. 20′ square. Their chairs are tiny to accommodate tiny body bums. It is 9:30 am and their young teacher and teacher aid are working on their letters or sitting on the floor during a ” read aloud”. There is no notice, There is no alarm. A man appears, dressed in
        black and begins firing hundreds of scream deafening rounds. The female teachers bodies are riddled with bullets as the little children are being shot to pieces.
        The principal and school psychologist race in, to the sounds of a
        screaming horrific holocaust and too, are blown to bits. Smoke, spent shells, blood, bone and bodies everywhere. What is actually driving me to tears as much as the nighmareish scene above is that dozens, hundreds and thousands of gun owners are whining about “losing their freedoms, high capacity magazines, 2nd Amendment definitions and knives and cars can kill too,” do not seem as concerned about
        the deafening screams of the children. So, sir, here is my question for you.
        Can you possibly explain to me why, they don’t seem concerned about the slaughter perpetrated on the children and their teachers?
        Sir, An 11 year old girl sat next to my desk from early September until early June two years ago. Her name was Monica. Three years ago, her brother Cody sat next to my desk, same seat as his sister. They both even shared the same text book and wrote their names one after the other on the inside cover.Their mom Amy, taught one floor below, in the Primary wing of the Ridge View Community school in Dexter. All three were blasted by a shotgun, at close range, approximately 1 1/2 miles from their classrooms; by their father who loved them, to death. He left a note. He was coming to the school next. Wanted to exact some revenge on those who he believed gave support to his estranged family. On that day, a Remington 870 pump shotgun was the child killer. Having that power in his hands.The shotgun was the driver, he, was the vehicle. An 870 Remington? I have one, in a locked gun room above this desk, as I write to you now.
        The NRA, which I was a member until the mid 1980’s espouses armed guards in all schools because the bad guys have easy access and now kill there.We desire to place armed guards in shopping malls because bad guys with guns now kill there. Bad guys with guns now kill in movie theaters and churches. How soon before the NRA suggest we put armed guards there.? And when the bad guys with guns begin more slaughtering at NASSCAR events, NBA events, NHL events, NFL events, ALB event, public swimming pools, bus stations and any venue { the list is endless} does the NRA with your support also suggest armed guards?
        No sir, I do not want to lose the hunting weapons I have upstairs, but if the slaughter of children and their defenders does not now begin to address the proliferation of savagery with guns in America, I am afraid that when the numbers of those killed by guns finally reaches into the hundreds of thousands, the message will be clear for the US military to step in and begin the house to house search many of you fear.

        We already have the most armed populace on the planet. It’s how we got to where were at now. As I have stated in an earlier post, this is not 2nd Amendment, this is lunacy.

        Thank you again, for your question.
        Jotoh

        • Anonymous

          Jotoh did you bother to look at the time line for the shooting or just use “dramatic license” or your creative writing skills in your post?

          Nothing about your timeline is even close to being accurate.

          The shooter shot his way through the locked school door.

          He then murdered the principal and school counselor.

          A school aide ran up and down the hallway yelling “lock down”.

          The school PA system was reported to be on so the gun shots could be heard throughout the school.

          Doors to classrooms were locked, students put in closets, etc…

          For reason that will never be know he passed by the first classroom.

          The shooter then entered the second classroom and shot the teacher and students as they huddled in the corner of the classroom.

          He then entered a third classroom where a teacher tried to convince him that there were no students. Several students then bolted from their hiding place and he murdered them and the teacher.

          It is believed that the murderer then heard the sirens of responding units and shot himself.

          So while you paint a compelling picture it’s not even close to being based in fact.

          Oh, I don’t think the U.S. military would take up arms against the citizens they are sworn to protect (and that’s what it would be) to search without warrant private homes and a violation of the 4th and 5th Amendments to the U.S. Constitution. While the U.S. military is sworn to follow the orders of those appointed above them they are only required to carryout “lawful” orders.

          I do hope that you don’t teach civics in your school system.

          • Anonymous

            Sir. I was truly hoping to reach gun owners, with the belief they would honorably state that no child’s life was of less value than the weapons in their closets.
            I am humbled with sorrow I could not reach you.
            If you would like a bit of a civics/history lesson you may want to read about President Lincoln suspending the writ of habeas corpus { Maryland secessionist} during the Civil War. You also may want to investigate a similar event during WW II where tens of thousands of Americans families of Japanese ancestry were placed in ” internment camps” for safe keeping .
            I believe any librarian could assist you with this.Be sure to leave your guns outside.

          • Anonymous

            Jotoh you factually misstated the events of 12/14/12. You took those events and twisted the time line around to fit your world view. If you want to “reach” people you don’t do that by misstating facts.

            I have spent 30 years in public safety dealing with the aftermath of many horrors and tragic events in peoples lives. Let me make just a short list of some of the items/things that should be banned based on my personal life experiences.

            #1 Cars
            #2 Alcohol
            #3 Wood Stoves
            #4 Kitchen knives
            #5 Prescription medication
            #6 OTC medication i.e. Tylenol

            President Lincoln had a rebellion on his hands. A CIVIL WAR on his hands and a law was passed during reconstruction to limit the use of active duty military within the legal borders of the U.S. as a result.

            Do you really believe that the U.S. Military is going to go door to door to every home in the U.S. demand entry and search each house? Do you actually believe that? It is a VIOLATION of the 4th and 5th AMENDMENT and if you are a teacher you would know that.

            By the way, while I hold a valid permit to carry a concealed weapon I haven’t done so in years. And my firearms are never taken to any place where they are prohibited. Want to know why?
            BECAUSE I AM A RESPONSIBLE GUN OWNER AND I OBEY THE LAW.

        • Anonymous

          I wish I could, like this a million times! These guns are WMD’s.

          • Anonymous

            Why like something “a million times” that isn’t even accurate. Or do you “like” it because it fits your agenda?

        • Bright

          I understand the sheer terror and will note that many people have faced the sheer terror of having their home invaded and were able to live because of legally owned firearms. We hope to eliminate such fears from our childrens (and our) lives, but we must also educate them that the world isn’t all rainbows and unicorns and they must learn not to trust every single person, that life is precious and we must live it day to day moment by moment that way, taking the responsibility for our safety, that of our families and our neighbors. It’s a much bigger problem than eliminating a single weapon type..

          • Anonymous

            Thank you sir, for your insightful dialogue. This is how it should finally begin. I tip my hat to you.

    • Anonymous

      The exact same background check if you walk into a store and purchase one. These raffles are for new rifles and when the winner is drawn they go to the store, submit the necessary paperwork and walkout with the firearm if the pass the FBI “instant” background check.

      By the way the “child killer” was the person who pulled the trigger.

      • Anonymous

        Yes JD the child killer was the person, but the WMD he wheeled was, a quick and deadly tool, it was over before anyone could respond.

        • Anonymous

          “Yes JD the child killer was the person, but the WMD he wheeled was, a quick and deadly tool, it was over before anyone could respond.”

          The principal and guidance counselor responded prior any children being shot.

          The school library aide that ran through the hallways yelling “lock down” responded prior to any children being shot.

          The first classroom which the killer bypassed had time to respond.

          Yes searoses there was time to act but nothing to act with.

    • Anonymous

      When you enter a raffle for a firearm whether it be a pistol or a single shot pardner, you have to go to an FFL who will do the background check and transfers.

  • Anonymous

    Over the years, the U.S. has unloaded massive amounts of aid to Pakistan. But the money doesn’t always wind up where it’s supposed to. In today’s day and age, here is a tourist paradise for murderers, jihadists and worse.They are financed by U.S. Dollars, trained and protected with nukes.
    What’s to be done about this ? Stop giving our money to countries (Allies … LOL) that like us just for the money. Start spending it here where we need it, in the Education System training LEO’s to protect OUR future.
    “Do It For The Children.” Peace !

    • alf999

      True, but if you think all the money passed around here ends up where it is suppose to, I have a bridge I would like to sell you.

  • Anonymous

    At least we’re seeing which politicians are owned by the NRA and which ones care about people’s lives.

  • Anonymous

    I think that the teacher’s themselves should decide individually weather to carry a weapon or not. It is not the time to play politics with our kids lives ! Politicians should stay out of the way.

  • Anonymous

    The NRA proposal is ridiculous .it doesn’t solve the problem of massacre control

    The NRA has become nothing but a marketer for gun manufacturers.

    They continue to give gun owners a BAD name. 64% of their own members support gun control.They represent ONLY 10% of gun owners. .AARP has 10 times the members as the NRA. The only power the NRA has is that which manufacturers and CONGRESS gives them.

    .lt’s time for gun owner to stand up for themselves.and the kids at sandy hooksand at the mall and at the movie theater and and and by tearing up their NRA member shop card and telling the NRA and Congress why I did when MOSES showed up and the NRA became nor concerned with “rights’ and disregarded concern for gun safety.

    • Anonymous

      Did you bother to proof read your last paragraph? Moses? Shop card? and and and?

    • Anonymous

      You can not stop any man with any gun from killing all of those children unless you too have a gun. Even a single shot .410 shotgun will only take a matter of minutes when the children are trapped in there with you. Please get real.

      • pbmann

        There are over 300 million registered guns in the US, not to mention unregistered guns, using your logic this country should be the safest country in the world.

        News Flash. It’s not even close to being in the top 20 safest countries.

        How many more guns will it take to be safe in your world?

        • Bright

          So all the crime can be attributed to gun ownership? No speak of poverty, drug use and dealing, the general devaluation of human life, a general disregard for others, domestic violence that’s allowed to escalate to murder, gangs running the prisons and whole neighborhoods, parents looking for anything to take their kids out of their hair? Guns won’t make America safer, just individuals and those individuals homes. It’s a choice, you can not to own them or if you are a law abiding citizen, like the overwhelming majority of gun owners, you can take personal responsibility for your own safety. And while more guns won’t make us safer (yeah I don’t agree with the NRA, nothing new) disarming law abiding citizens will make us less safe.

          • pbmann

            Mass Killings are not happening because of poverty, drug use but by people using guns.

          • Anonymous

            Well a break through at last. pb finally admits that its “PEOPLE using guns” that are the problem not the guns themselves. This is real progress!

          • pbmann

            Never said it was just the guns.

            That is a stupid argument that the NRA uses to deflect from the fact that they want to increase profit s for the gun manufacturers by claiming that law abiding citizens are defenseless without being heavily armed with rifles capable of shooting 6 or more rounds a second with 100 round magazines.

            Every civilized country, with the exception of the US, is safer and not under the tyranny of the “only criminals will have guns” crap being spouted from the NRA and their minority (even in the NRA) unthinking followers.

          • Anonymous

            pb criminals will not turn in their guns.

  • Anonymous

    If they do put armed guards is schools, I hope any costs entailed will come from the gun manufacturers profits. not taxes.

  • To pay for the guards to protect children at school, place a twenty dollar fee on every video game that is not rated PG! If there is one thing that democrat moon batts have taught me is that if you tax something you get less of it! It has worked on incomes, businesses and cigarettes, so why not try it on violent videos!

    • Anonymous

      Add a charge to movies with more than one killing scene and I’m on board as well. I won’t mind paying if I want to watch.

      • pbmann

        Add those fees onto the purchase of all guns then you would speak differently.

        • Anonymous

          I see pb…do as I say not as I do. You want to increase cost and regulation to law abiding firearm owners but not the realistic and violent video and computer “games” that the shooter played hour upon hour in his home.

          • pbmann

            The first time a video game kills 20 children and six adults then they can be charged a tax to support armed guards. Until then your argument is foolish.

            Oh,by the way I don’t play those FPS games, I think they are stupid.

          • Anonymous

            pb the authorities are already looking at the influence of the video games the shooter played on the events of 12/14.

            Joe Lieberman believes (and I agree) that we need to look at everything that may have contributed to 12/14. Why do you want to limit that review?

    • And you had the nerve to call Bloomberg a little dictator? Nanny state nonsense about video games/movies is just as ridiculous as Nanny state nonsense on sodas and salt. At least Nanny state motives against vice has hundreds of thousands of deaths to boost their claims.

      Billy and bad ideas, like peanut butter and jelly!

    • pbmann

      How about we add a $200 fee onto gun sales since that is the reason we would have to have the security guards.

  • Anonymous

    I am a proud NRA member, a certified NRA Safety Instructor for handguns, rifles, shotguns, and home safety and an advocate for firearm ownership in the highest order. To believe that any type of ban will preclude a crazed individual from wrecking carnage and death while selecting targets that proudly proclaim themselves to be free of any counter constraints is foolish at best. I have previously had published in this newspaper my support for having one or two teachers in every school become certified as Reserve Police Officers, carry concealed weapons in their schools on a daily basis, and become the first line of defense, capable of actually terminating an attack in the gravest extreme. Before once again being subjected to responders screaming about “teachers with guns” understand that these teachers would be certified police officers as well as educators. If you believe that bans, restsrictions, and limitations will prevent future attacks upon our innocents by crazed assassins, rest assured that you will sadly be proven wrong. To prevent an extended attack is to terminate that attack in the most timely and permamant manner. Ken Fogelman

    • Anonymous

      Elementary schools are staffed primarily by women( 80% of
      teachers are women) of which none may be comfortable with carrying a firearm.
      Those who still cling to the idea of not banning assault weapons and limiting
      clip sizes need to visit those schools and look into the faces of kindergarten
      and 1st grade children and then tell me that the ownership o assault
      weapons and large clip capacity is more important than are these young lives.
      One can rail about violent videos , movies,etc but adding guns as an everyday experiencein schools for these young children will make them very accepting of the threatof violence towards them. Maybe this will even brainwash them to become membersof the NRA.Wouldn’t they just love that.
      I have more than a dozen rifles , shotguns and pistols. But have
      never felt the need of having an assault rifle. Nor would I feel deprived if I
      couldn’t get one. I don’t have the slightest worry that I’ll lose my hunting
      rifles, shotguns or my simple 6 shot pistols( which are black powder by the
      way).I am worried about the next school shooting or the law officer who will beoutgunned by these weapons.
      I taught for many years and have heard the “arm the teacher,
      arm the schools’ before and it will be a very sad day when that happens beforeany effort is achieved to take these guns out of the public’s hands.
      The NRA doesn’t really want to be part of the solution ,
      just a source of placing the blame as many places other than them that they can.I’m sorry I was ever a member of that association!

      • Anonymous

        And how do you think the following examples of woman defending themselves (and in some cases their loved ones) would have turned out if they had no access to firearms?

        Brianne Rodriguez heard a knock at her front door just before 9 a.m., but ignored it. A few minutes later, Rodriguez heard loud noises coming from her bedroom. When she went to investigate, she discovered a man wearing a ski mask in her home. The confrontation led to a struggle and Rodriguez was pushed to the floor and kicked in the face and ribs. The masked man then grabbed her screaming 2-year-old daughter and bolted for the door. Rodriguez quickly retrieved a shotgun she kept in her bedroom and followed. Upon seeing the gun, the man dropped the child and fled. He escaped with Rodriguez’s purse and some jewelry, but Rodriguez and her daughter sustained no serious injuries. (KSEE 24 NEWS, Fresno County, CA, 8/28/12)

        Martha Lewis was at home with her two daughters when she heard a loud noise. It was 3 a.m., so Lewis immediately called police and grabbed her gun. She went to her daughters’ room and told them each to get something with which to defend themselves. They were at the top of the stairs when a man, who had kicked in the door and entered the home, spotted them. When the man started up the stairs toward them, Lewis warned the intruder that she would shoot him. When he ignored her warnings, Lewis fired causing him to stumble outside where police found him. The 25-year-old male was hospitalized in stable condition. After the incident, Lewis said, “There’s so much talk about banning guns and gun control, but they’re for protection. There’s no way that I could have fought him off.” (The Blaze, Dora, AL, 8/17/12)

        Lisa Goude called police when she noticed a man lurking outside her house at about 1:15 a.m. Just two minutes into the call, the man broke through the glass of a kitchen window and entered the home. The 28-year-old intruder refused to leave and attempted to enter Goude’s bedroom. Goude retrieved a handgun and shot the man once before instructing him to leave her home once again. Despite suffering a gunshot wound, the intruder reportedly came at Goude causing her to fire two more rounds. After suffering two gunshots to the neck and one to the abdomen, the intruder was pronounced dead at the scene. (The Gaston Gazette, Gastonia, NC, 8/10/12)

        Ruby Hodge, 89, heard someone knock at her back door twice before she decided to answer. By the third knock, however, Hodge heard the door being kicked in. The intruders, two males ages 31 and 42, entered her home and went into the guest bedroom opposite her own. When they turned around Hodge had her .38-cal. pistol waiting. Both men fled, but were later caught. Sheriff Fred Knight said, “I was just amazed. When she told me she met the intruders with a handgun pointed at them, she said they went out faster than they came in. She is my hero!” (SCNOW, Blenheim, S.C., 7/24/12)

        • Anonymous

          Way to go Ruby!

        • alf999

          All good, but it also sounds like these ladies had the weapon in an easily accessible place. Even the kids could have found it.

          • Anonymous

            “All good, but it also sounds like these ladies had the weapon in an easily accessible place. Even the kids could have found it.”

            “sounds like”? May yes…maybe no. Handgun safes are accessible in in seconds.

            By the way there is a difference between “accessible” and “secured”. A secured accessible weapon is the preferable and responsible gun owner alternative.

      • Mary Stubbs

        You are painting women with a broad brush. I know several females who would have no problem carrying at school.

        • Anonymous

          And nearly 40 years in the classroom showed me that very few women or men for that matter would want to be carrying guns in the classroom. A past student of mine put on his facebook page that I would have taken care of this guy if I’d had been armed and he came to my classroom.I don’t know how I would have reacted.I’ve been a gun safety instructor for the NRA in the past but I have no idea how i would react until it actualy happened.Teachers are trained to teach not to kill.,That takes more than a little training I would hope.

          • Anonymous

            “And nearly 40 years in the classroom showed me that very few women or men for that matter would want to be carrying guns in the classroom. ”

            yes, because they’d apparently rather be defenseless victims.

            either run, hide, or die in the classrooms attempting to protect their students against an armed psycho.

            makes perfect sense.

          • pbmann

            Just because those female teachers had more guts in their little pinky then you do is not reason to attack them.

          • Anonymous

            I am in no way attacking the teachers. i have the utmost respect for them. don’t try to put words in my mouth.

          • pbmann

            “yes, because they’d apparently rather be defenseless victims.

            either run, hide, or die in the classrooms attempting to protect their students against an armed psycho.

            makes perfect sense.”

            That reads like an attack to me. You are attacking them for being defenseless victims because they did not want to have guns in the class room.

          • Anonymous

            that’s funny, it read like sarcasm as a reply to the original poster.

            she said

            “And nearly 40 years in the classroom showed me that very few women or men for that matter would want to be carrying guns in the classroom. ”

            I’m almost certain that she doesn’t speak for every teacher, and I would be willing to bet that if there was an attack in her school that she’d want to be armed to protect her students, instead of just running or hiding.

      • Anonymous

        Well said!

    • pbmann

      The US has the most non-military guns in the world and the highest per capita ownership of guns and yet it is not even in the top 20 safest countries. The NRA fostered myth that increased gun ownership will make you safe is obviously false.

      The proof is staring at your every day in this country. The South has the highest numbers of gun owners, and highest per capita gun ownership in the country and yet is the least safe region in the US. Why would that be if more guns means more safety?

      • Anonymous

        FBI 2011 Crime Statistics for cities with the most violent crime (defined as Murder, Rape, Robbery, Aggravated Assault, Property Crime, Burglary, Larceny-Theft, Motor Vehicle Theft & Arson)

        10. Philadelphia, PA 1,189.4/100,000 Size of Police Force – 6,646
        9. Washington, DC 1,241.1/100,000 Size of Police Force – 3,800*
        8.Cleveland, OH 1,296.8/100,000 Size of Police Force – 1,600+
        7.Buffalo, NY 1,357.5/100,000 Size of Police Force – Not Found
        6. Stockton, CA 1,380.9/100,000 Size of Police Force – 331
        5. Baltimore, MD 1,455.8/100,000 Size of Police Force – 3,100
        4. Oakland, CA 1,529.6/100,000 Size of Police Force – 626
        3. Memphis, TN 1,541.5/100,000 Size of Police Force – 2,100+
        2. St. Louis, MO 1,747.1/100,000 Size of Police Force – 1,401
        1. Detroit, MI 1,887.4/100,000 Size of Police Force – 2,270

        *Metropolitan Police Department only, figure does not include any Federal Agancies

        • pbmann

          Ten most dangerous states as listed by the Institute of Economics and Peace. With their murder ranking in parenthesis.

          10. Mississippi (4th)
          9. South Carolina (7th)
          8. Arkansas (21st)
          7. Texas (18th)
          6. Missouri (3rd)
          5.Arizona (6th)
          4. Florida (17th)
          3. Nevada (8th)
          2. Tennessee (12th)
          1. Louisiana (1st0

          All southern states with lax gun control/high gun ownership. How’s that working out for them.

          All those state with high gun ownership and not one of them in the bottom half of the murder rate even with all those guns. How can that be if putting more guns in more hands makes you safer?

          • Anonymous

            pb statistics are funny things. Your claim that the ten most dangerous states are all southern states with A) lax guns laws & B) high gun ownership is not born out.

            Here are the states with the highest population of gun owners (more than 50%)

            1. Wyoming – 59.7%
            2. Alaska – 57.8%
            3. Montana – 57.7%
            4. South Dakota – 56.6%
            5. West Virginia – 55.4%
            6. Mississippi – 55.3%
            6. Idaho – 55.3%
            6. Arkansas – 55.3%
            9. Alabama – 51.7%
            10. North Dakota – 50.7%

            States with High Populations of Gun Owners

            11. Kentucky – 47.7%
            12. Wisconsin – 44.4%
            13. Louisiana – 44.1%
            14. Utah – 43.9%
            14. Tennessee – 43.9%
            16. Oklahoma – 42.9%
            16. Iowa – 42.9%
            18. South Carolina – 42.3%
            19. Kansas – 42.1%
            20. Vermont – 42.0%

            Seems to me that populations with higher percentages of the population that own guns are far safer. And where does Maine rank? 24th with 40.5% of the population owning guns.

          • pbmann

            Six of the top 20 states with the highest gun ownership are in the top 10 most dangerous states.

            Thank you for proving my point.

          • Anonymous

            6 pb?

            I checked twice and I can only find 5 and they are

            Mississippi
            Arkansas
            Louisiana
            Tennessee
            South Carolina

            Which one is #6?

            Tell yeah what pb….I will live in any of those states over Chicago any day of the week and twice on Sunday. I am responsible for my own safety and I have no issue saying that.

            You would rather rely on others to provide for your safety and I hope you never need a Deputy Sheriff or State Trooper because they aren’t always around when needed or in some cases are home asleep and have to be called out to answer a call or complaint.

          • pbmann

            Sorry miscounted but according to your logic of more guns, more safety why are any in the top ten most dangerous states?

            I don’t rely on anyone but myself for my safety but I don’t feel the need to have multiple guns in my house and one on my person at all times to be safe. How is it to live in a state of perpetual fear?

          • Anonymous

            “Sorry miscounted but according to your logic of more guns, more safety why are any in the top ten most dangerous states?”

            So your answer is to ignore the 75% of the states with high personal gun ownership and lower crime rates?
            ~~~~~
            “I don’t rely on anyone but myself for my safety but I don’t feel the
            need to have multiple guns in my house and one on my person at all times to be safe.”

            I don’t rely on anyone but myself for my safety either pb. Maybe you missed those points. And I have never said that I carry all the time. In fact I can count on one hand how many times I have carried in the past 30 years.
            ~~~~~
            “How is it to live in a state of perpetual fear?”

            I don’t live in a “perpetual” state of fear. Just the opposite as a matter of fact.

          • pbmann

            If having guns make you safer than states with the highest number of guns or the highest percentage of gun owners would be the safest states but they are not.

    • I recently worked with an NRA instructor from Southern Maine on a project. Great guy. Very affable and courteous, and not the least bit threatening. You sound similar.

      I take no offense with proper education and safety for those that come to instructors looking for this service. I do take offense however, to the NRA’s position as virtual salesmen to the weapons industry – often resorting to exaggerations, deception and even outright lies to achieve this goal. Their original mission has become corrupted by power and dollars it seems.

      I have a question Ken, if you don’t mind – if someone came to you looking for instruction, and they seemed very mentally unbalanced and potentially dangerous – what’s the procedure?

      • The procedure as an NRA agent is to talk him into a more powerful weapon with a higher magazine capacity, and signing up for a Lifetime NRA Membership.

    • Anonymous

      Recently in China a school attacker used a knife on numerous children. None of them were killed. What if this crazy person had a Bushmaster assault rifle? The majority of Americans want to ban assault rifles.

      • Anonymous

        Well I have asked many many people to define what an “assault rifle” is, i.e. what does it look like, what are the characteristics, etc…and no one seems to want to answer. Will you spruce?

    • Anonymous

      Teachers are there to teach and focus on learning. Is the teacher to just leave their students unattended while managing a critical incident. What if this teacher we were out sick for the day? Is the sub replacement a trained reserve officer?
      The school needs active duty law enforcement in the building with all the attention on safety of the school. Where is the teacher to hold the gun? Hip holster…should harness ……Locked in a desk….safe…. . Does the teacher wear a bullet proof vest daily?Will the teachers skills be maintained throughout the summer. Has the teacher ever been involved in a crisis situation to a critical incident compared to an active duty police officer. Mr. NRA has not thought this through.

  • Anonymous

    “I am gravely concerned about having firearms in our schools.”
    Yeah cause declaring them gun free zones is working so well.

    • Anonymous

      the liberals will never understand that.
      they would rather “feel good” with their false sense of security and believe, no, hope that it’s not their child’s school, not their child’s classroom that becomes the victim of a psychopath.

      they are reactive, instead of proactive.
      they react when an atrocity occurs, instead of being proactive about the security of the children.

    • pbmann

      And guns in the hands of 80% of the population is working out so well too.

      • Anonymous

        pb you know very well that 80% of the population are not gun owners. At best Wyoming has the highest percentage of guns owners in the U.S. at 59.7%

        But why allow FACTS to get in the way of your arguments.

        • pbmann

          Yeah, you’re right we have 80 guns per 100 people but you are not one to talk about facts getting in the way of your arguments.

          Guns do not make a population safer: never have ,never wil or this country would be the safest in the world.

          • Anonymous

            Maine is one of the safest states to live in in the United States.

            Chicago (Illinois bans concealed carry), Boston (Massachusetts has some of the strictest guns laws in the nation), New York city (permits are required just to own a handgun), Oakland (California bans “high capacity magazines) as examples are not.

            Why do you think that is?

          • pbmann

            Hmmm, let me think.

            If I want a gun and I live in Chicago, I’ll just drive to Missouri, or Tennessee or a dozen other states within 500 miles and buy my gun, legally.

            If I want a gun and I live i Boston, I’ll just drive 150 miles to Maine and buy my gun legally.

            If I live in NYC and want a gun I’ll just drive to Virginia, Maine or another state within 500 miles and buy my gun legally.
            .

            If I live in Oakland, I’ll just hop on over the border to Nevada and buy a gun legally.

            Gun Control has to be on the national level or it just does not work because you will have one state that thinks everyone should have any type of gun they want thus making local gun control not work.

            That is why those cities have the issues with guns that they have.

          • Anonymous

            And when you do any of the above you have committed a crime.

            Tell you what pb…make my permit to carry a concealed weapon a nationwide permit (by the way my Maine permit is recognized in roughly 7 other states) and I will support your desire to regulate firearms on a national level (psssst the types of guns allowed for private ownership is already regulated on a national level).

  • Anonymous

    Arming grade schools: What kind of absurdity is THAT? The next thing to come would be for priests and rabbis to “carry” in the event a house of God is attacked. And, I say NEVER take a revolver to an ‘assault weapon fight’. Because you’ll lose EVERY time. The reason these things keep happening is because it is still relatively easy and convenient for any “nut” to either obtain, steal or “borrow” practically any type of weapon they want. And, if it is in their twisted mind to kill, then the military-style assault weapon is their weapon of choice. Sure, protect the 2nd Amendment. But for the sake of Jesus, hold owners legally responsible if their unsecured weapon is used in a mass murder somewhere.

    • Anonymous

      disarming the guardians of our children.
      makes perfect sense.

      your liberals feel-good thinking has been proven to fail time and again.

      all the teachers that have been victims of these shootings have surrendered their lives to protect their students.

  • Anonymous

    The first thing that needs to be determined is who will have the powers of decision in this matter. Some want to crown the federal government and some the state government but there is another not to be overlooked, vital option which is… We the People of Maine.

    Accusations of political distraction aside and the safety of Maine children being the primary goal we need to answer questions which in previous years we did not need to. Budgets have been spent far into the future and without growth income there is only one other way to protect the children which is to reduce the dollar value of governmental expenditure of existing programs. As Mainers would we voluntarily offer even 1% of the benefits (whatever they might be) we presently receive towards ensuring the safety of Maine’s school children?

    We have total control of this option and the power to protect if we choose.

  • Anonymous

    So how about armed guards in movie theaters? In churches? Walmart, City Hall, Senior centers, playgrounds?

    The NRA won’t be happy until all Americans are packing heat, ready to shoot at anything they see fit, protected by the “Stand your Ground” law or other NRA backed nonsense.

    The NRA interest is only about gun sales and the income they derive from the manufacturers.

    So you say your town has a gun problem?

    Well the good ol’ boys at the NRA have the answer:

    MORE GUNS!

    • Hey string. Though it goes over the head of many, it’s all part of the authoritarian minded Military Industrial Complex. That people can’t connect the dots between domestic violence, overseas violence, terrorism, etc. and the industry that profits from the “solution”, is truly amazing. The solution of course being more weapons!

      We saw the arms race play out on a global scale and this model is being followed here in America as we speak. Stoking fear and paranoia to ensure an environment in which every American has a gun, or two, or three (and lots o ammo and accessories!) is the goal – whether this will result in a bloodbath or not. In fact, more bloodbaths would only mean more sales. So let the blood flow, there’s money to be made. Sadly it seems many Americans are becoming more than happy to comply. :

      • Anonymous

        Hey.

        How true.

        I’ve never been able to understand how seemingly smart, reasonable people can’t see the correlation of more weapons, more violence.

        And as you say, it’s all being driven by profits. Profits – and a willing populace.

      • Anonymous

        And btw,

        Hope you and yours have a great holiday.

        Peace.

    • American citizens themselves are the best “armed guards”! That is what the second amendment is all about….not hunting…learn some history will ya!

      • Bill Peters, which well-regulated militia do you and your weapons report to?

        • Anonymous

          none of your business.

  • Anonymous

    Schools are pretty safe actually. We have 130,000 public schools. The last major slaughter at a public school was Columbine in 1999. So slaughter happens every 1.69 million school years.
    BTW, Columbine had an armed guard on the day of the slaughter so armed guards do not seem to be the answer.
    Another BTW, the NRA does not represent citizens. It represents the gun makers!!! Duh!!

    • Anonymous

      Yes and that armed guard (Deputy) engaged one of the murders AND called for backup. How many additional students and staff may have been murdered if there had not been that “armed guard”?

    • Anonymous

      Also, Columbine would have been much worse if the killers bombs had gone off.

    • Anonymous

      are you forgetting that little incident at virginia tech?

      or the 10 others or so that have happened since 2000

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States#2000s

  • Anonymous

    Except for the fact that very few schools can afford it, having an armed guard on duty may not be the worst idea in the world, but the fact that the NRA is suggesting evrn MORE guns at a time like this is sickening. It is just another attempt to profit from fear and their attitude anid suggestion only adds to the over zealot gun madness that exists in this country. The NRA “solution” is also nothing but a tiny band-aid on a gaping gash of too many guns being available to too many people with too few obstacles and requirements necessary to attain them. The NRA “solution” also fails to take into consideration the lack of adequate mental health support in this country and the propegation of a culture of violence in our society.

    • Anonymous

      Gun sales went through the roof as soon as the President made his first statement about the shooting last week.

      • Anonymous

        From the reports I saw the spike you speak of was due to gun nuts stocking up on the type of gun used in the shooting for fear of a future ban.

        • Anonymous

          So if I decided to purchase a AR-15, Mini-14, etc…in the past week I am a “gun nut”? In you classroom do you paint all your topics with such a broad brush?

          • Anonymous

            Anyone who is not a member of the armed forces or law enforcement who feels the need to own a weapon like the ones you describe is a gun nut in my book. You are probably a completely sane and productive member of society. Why do you need a gun like that? And I am not a teacher so my broad brush only comes out in response to gun nuts.

          • Anonymous

            “Anyone who is not a member of the armed forces or law enforcement who feels the need to own a weapon like the ones you describe is a gun nut in my book.”

            So “teach” what “type” of gun did I describe?
            ~~~~~
            “You are probably a completely sane and productive member
            of society.”

            Well thank you…I hold two different jobs as a matter of fact. One in the private and one in the public sector. The private sector job is healthcare and the public sector is public safety.
            ~~~~~
            “Why do you need a gun like that?”

            Why do you care? Both are fine home defense weapons with the proper round selected. Both are excellent varmint rifles with the proper round selected. The area I live in has an uncontrolled coyote population. It also has an issue with home invasions and drug use. But my reasons are really none of your concern. I passed the FBI instant background check so why are you concerned.
            ~~~~~
            “And I am not a teacher so my broad brush only comes out in response to gun nuts.”

            You don’t use that broad brush for anything else? Sorry but I find that hard to believe as people that use broad brushes for one topic often use them on others too.
            ~~~~~
            Oh and in closing I never said that I did own an AR15 or a Mini-14.

          • pbmann

            Yes, I would classify you as a gun nut.

          • Anonymous

            pb I haven’t purchased any guns in the past week. So according to “teach” I am not a “gun nut”.

          • pbmann

            Nice way to deflect.

            You said “So if I decided to purchase a AR-15, Mini-14, etc…in the past week I
            am a “gun nut”? In you classroom do you paint all your topics with such a
            broad brush?” and I answered yes.

      • pbmann

        Yeah, cowards all.

    • shannon attwood

      An armed officer in schools is a very good idea. For all of you who think not..if your child was gunned down, you’d feel differently. Mental health is another issue and will take longer to figure out. But for now, armed officers in schools. For all of you who disagree, you best hope there isn’t a shooting in our schools.

      • Anonymous

        just arm the teachers ffs.

        an armed guard or police officer is just a man or woman, like you and me, that has had some extra training and the authority of the state behind them.

        teachers are the first responders in an incident.
        the teachers that have been victims of these shootings have surrendered their lives to protect their students.
        Give them the tools to actually succeed in that task.

    • Anonymous

      “having an armed guard on duty may not be the worst idea in the world”

      you would need at least 2.
      one armed guard would be the first target.

  • Anonymous

    The first step is to limit the clip/magazine size that a person can have, say to
    a limit would hold 10 bullets ……………………………

    It is sad to see how far down, this Country has come in the last 40 – 45 years. When I was in High School I can remember, especially during hunting season, seeing the few vehicles in the school parking lot, mostly pickups, with a rifle on the rack in the back window.

    Almost everyone knew how to handle a firearm safely and there was no concern.

    We didn’t have cellphones, X Boxes, videos and all the so call electronic entertainment that there is available and especially didn’t have those blood & guts videos that glorifies all this violence.

    We “DID” have have discipline and knew to respect our elders, also most had some kind of after school job and basically a safe society………………….. also if you wanted to talk with someone it was face to face or on the telephone, not impersonal like Texting, e-mail, tweeting or what ever.

    What we didn’t have was all these shootings, kids popping all sorts of prescription pills to keep them under control and I could go on but I’m sure most get the picture.

    • Bright

      Most of these sickos carry more than one weapon which allows them to never be without a loaded weapon at the ready, magazine capacity will not change the outcomes. Not to mention that firearms that carry muliplte rounds are pretty fast to manipulate. The more significant difference between an AR15 and a 30/30 lever action is the AR allows a human a better chance of surival.

      • Guest

        They are meant for and were built for effective killing power. Not hunting animals. There is the problem, the power and the rapid action of an auto or semi auto weapon.

        • Anonymous

          When was the last time an automatic weapon was used in a mass killing in the United States?

          • pbmann

            The poster said semi auto but hey change the facts why don’t you.

          • Anonymous

            Not sure what post you are referring to pb but here is what the post typed, “There is the problem, the power and the rapid action of an auto or semi auto weapon.”

            So I will ask you since you seem to know so much,”When was the last time an automatic weapon was used in a mass killing in the United States?”

          • pbmann

            Guest ” There is the problem, the power and the rapid action of an auto or semi auto weapon.”

            jd2008jd “When was the last time an automatic weapon was used in a mass killing in the United States?”

            Me “The poster said semi auto but hey change the facts why don’t you.”

            Follow now?

            Jd since you seem to know so much when was a knife, sword, baseball bat or other personal weapon other than a gun used in a mass killing?

            How many multiple homicides have occurred since the attack in CT? I know of at least 4 involving multiple gun deaths, one in a church.

            I’m not counting the attack in OK City, that was a political attack that McVeigh planned on not getting caught so that he could start the “next civil war.”

          • Anonymous

            there have been multiple instances of mass killings in schools in china. the weapons used have been machete’s, swords, or knives.

            it peaked in 2010, and since then has been a topic of concern for china.
            there was another attack in china last week in fact. no deaths, but all were wounded, at least 3 critically.

          • pbmann

            All of the attacks in China have resulted in less than 10 deaths and as you noted the last one had no deaths.

            Had those attacks occurred with the use of guns do you think the death toll would have been more, less or the same?

          • pbmann

            All of the attacks in China have resulted in less than 10 deaths and as you noted the last one had no deaths.

            Had those attacks occurred with the use of guns do you think the death toll would have been more, less or the same?

          • Anonymous

            pb when was the last time a automatic firearm used in a mass killing in the United States.

            That was the question asked and it remains unanswered. The poster listed BOTH auto and semi-auto. Follow Now?

          • pbmann

            When was the last time a single shot rifle or revolver was used in a mass killing.

            You are conveniently using the term automatic assault rifle when we all know it was a semi-auto military style rifle used in the attack.

            The fact that an automatic assault style rifle was not used is because they are BANNED from private ownership, except in very limited exceptions. If banning automatic rifle and machine guns have stopped mass murders by them then a ban on semi-automatic rifles and magazines over 10 rounds would stop them from being used in mass murders.

            Using your logic that banning a gun will mean that only criminals have them why are there not criminals using full auto weapons in their crimes? I mean if they are illegal only criminals will have them, right?

            Simple common sense logic there.

          • Anonymous

            “When was the last time a single shot rifle or revolver was used in a mass killing.”

            Don’t know.
            ~~~~~
            “You are conveniently using the term automatic assault rifle when we all know it was a semi-auto military style rifle used in the attack.”

            pb I have posted more than once the direct quote which “guest” wrote. I’m not using the term “automatic” and I have have been very careful to use the correct terms. Many people use the terms interchangeably. They are not the same thing.
            ~~~~~
            “The fact that an automatic assault style rifle was not used is
            because they are BANNED from private ownership, except in very limited exceptions.”

            If a person is will to complete the federal paperwork, pay the federal tax and pay the price for a “automatic” weapon they can own one. They are not BANNED from private ownership. One only needs to jump through a few more hoops to own one.

            The Boston gangster know as James “Whitey” Bulger’s preferred weapon of assassination was a full automatic rifle. He even used it to shot up the Boston Globe press windows on Morrissey Blvd. And the weapon he used was not registered and was not legally owned.
            ~~~~~
            “If banning automatic rifle and machine guns have stopped mass murders by them then a ban on semi-automatic rifles and magazines over 10 rounds would stop them from being used in mass murders.”

            I guarantee you this pb…no one is going to ban all semi-automatic rifles. Not going to happen. And let’s see, so instead of 2 30 round magazines the shooter takes 6 10 round magazines. If a person wants to commit a mass killing they will find a way. For the record, I have no issue with limiting magazines to ten rounds.
            ~~~~~
            “Using your logic that banning a gun will mean that only criminals
            have them why are there not criminals using full auto weapons in their crimes?”

            They do. Remember the helicopter video footage of the two men in black shooting up a bank, police cruisers, etc…in Los Angeles? LAPD had to go to a local gun shop to “borrow” weapons of equal or greater fire power.
            ~~~~~
            “I mean if they are illegal only criminals will have them, right?”

            And they do as demonstrated by the two examples above. One reason they are not very popular is when you fire in full auto the firearm suffers from “muzzle rise”. Tends to take you off target.

        • The criminals of 9-11 used box cutters and airplanes….where’s the ban on them?

          • Have you carried a boxcutter onto a plane lately? Or a gun, for that matter?

        • Bright

          Not true, the relative firepower of typical military arms issues to US soldiers is less than most hunters choose for hunting deer. The government has strict exacting specification based on tons of factors, including a cartridge that fits a host of their weapons, is lightweight allowing soldiers to carry more, even when sacrificing stopping power, modularity that allows easy modification to specific tasks, long term relaibilty to a degree totally unnecessary to most gun owners, systems readily cleaned in the field and repaired with simple tools, the low cost for the sheer volumes of arms and ammo expended in combat and training, and many more reasons. In fact if you look at what US soldiers say about their weapons, they frequently complain about the lack of stopping power.

          While I suspect this does little to allay fears of some nut wielding a military looking weapon, the fact is that all guns are designed to kill and do so in the hands of any user. I explain this only to assure you that it’s not he type of weapon that makes these heinous acts so tragic, but the minds of the people who carry them out. Those rifles designed for killing animals do so with greater lethality at longer ranges. Why these shooter choose these I attribute to their proliferation in TV , movies and video games where the “hero” employs them to take out his enemies.

    • So….you are saying that I only deserve 10 rounds of ammo to defend my life and or my family?….who do you think you are to tell me how much it takes to defend my property and family!

      • How dare they not allow you AT4s or M72s or hand grenades? Whooo dooo they think they ahhhhhh?

        • Anonymous

          technically, if you hold a federal firearms license (FFL) you could conceivably own grenades and rocket launchers
          .
          I forgot which level you need, FFL level 3 perhaps.

    • Anonymous

      it takes mere seconds to reload a handgun if you’re carrying multiple magazines.
      limit them all you want, it’s not going to stop psychos bent on murder.

    • So, in conclusion, don’t blame kids of today, blame their parents and grandparents, correct?

      • Anonymous

        If the shoe fits …………………………… Actually I hadn’t thought of it like that, but who is primarily responsible to teach the kids right from wrong, respect their elders, work ethics if not their parents and in some cases grandparents?

        On the other hand, by the time kids start school they should know right from wrong and YES they are to blame for their actions.

  • Anonymous

    As a mother of 3 who are in school, I do not agree with having armed guards at a school or giving a principal or a teacher a gun. Anyone can go postal at anytime and I don’t want my kids around them. I am a supporter of the NRA and do believe in the right to bear arms. Just not at a school. Lock the schools down and have video cameras in place. I’m not saying that this will ever solve the probelm. People are just to darn crazy. This is just my opinion.

    • Anonymous

      People agree that the mentally ill should be deprived of gun ownership. That said, it is a leap for you to extend the “crazy” descriptor to healthy, protective adults, fully capable of reason and good judgement who just might one day be your childrens’ lifesaver.

    • Anonymous

      The school in Connecticut was “locked”.

    • alf999

      Most large city schools have had metal detectors at their entrance doors since the 70’s because of gang violence. Did any of the schools that have been attacked have metal detectors? I for one will take my kids out of school if the teacher’s are allowed to carry a conceled weapon. Will they allow a parent who also has a permit to carry a canceled weapon in the school. Bettcha said parent will get shot. Are the teachers that want to carry guns willing to under go the same training and psych evaluations as Law Enforcemnet does.

    • Anonymous

      “Lock the schools”

      someone bent on murder is going to find a way in.

      “have video cameras in place”

      why? so you can record them while they carry out their attack?

    • a dope boy

      The best solution, pull your kids out, and home school them if possible. They are not learning any better then even a parent whose a janitor could teach them.

      Besides there is nothing in this country anymore that requires any level higher then being a serf, a criminal or a drug user.

      • Tens of millions of Americans are stupid enough to vote GOP, and you want them to home school their children? God help us…

        • Anonymous

          It would seem that keeping them at home would be safer than sending them to a school where they’re subject to the laws that make them defenseless victims.

  • Anonymous

    Let those teachers who want to, be trained by officials and then carry concealed weapons at school. At the very least, have certain teachers have a gun locked in their classroom so they can access it if need be. As a female teacher that is certified and has a concealed weapons permit, I would be the first to volunteer. Due to laws, I cannot utilized my permit 80% of the time.

    • Anonymous

      I agree. Those like you should be allowed to have a weapon for protection. It would add a layer of protection at little cost.

  • Anonymous

    There is a very simple solution to this problem. So simple, that the fact no one has mentioned it should be alarming. “School” is municipal daycare, that occurs in a municipally provided facility. Likewise, other municipal functions like public safety and emergency responders, operate out of municipally furnished facilities. Obviously, it would make sense, be more efficient, and more affordable, if all municipal functions were consolidated into the same building, buildings, campus of buildings, as appropriate for a given town. That’s right, the police department SHOULD BE IN THE SCHOOL! A hundred years ago, in my town, students were in the same building as fire trucks. Look what has happened! School has become such self aggrandized greedy consumers of 75% of every town’s budget (and that doesn’t even count other forms of government school funding) and schools have an entitlement mentality that knows no bounds. No wonder the State’s biggest problem is now entitlement mentality. SO…. every town should sell off it’s fancy police department building with an $85,000 stone wall at the entrance that’s not even being used anymore (lol) to a private tax-paying business entity, and install the police station in the school building. Enrollment is down in most schools so they can find the space no excuses. In rural counties, a portable trailer used part time and a space for a cop car to be parked would be sufficient deterrent. After all, the likelihood of a Maine school being attacked by a socially inept undiagnosed mental illness afflicted youth is quite small. Most schools are already constantly on guard for the REAL danger they perceive – the disenfranchised Dad.

    • Anonymous
  • Anonymous

    Armed guards in the schools, armed guards in the thearters, the churches, the street corners, Thanks NRA for your contrubtion; rendering the USA into a third world country.

    • Anonymous

      I think you can blame the court system for not enforcing existing laws.

      Massachusetts has a one year mandatory jail term for anyone caught carrying a firearm without a permit. I wonder when the last time someone was actually convicted of that?

      To many concurrent and not consecutive sentences

      To many plea bargains in sentencing.

      To many sentences reduced for “good behavior”.

      To many violent criminals released on parole (yes I know Maine does not have parole but they do reduce sentences for good behavior).

      We have created a revolving door in our prison system.

      • Anonymous

        Agreed, I just think it’s in the USA’s best intrest for the NRA to push for enforcement of those laws. Their leadership in that regard leaves alot to be desired. It’s more like, “Hey… if the bad guys got a gun you get two guns.”

        • Anonymous

          In many cases the same ones screaming about banning “assault” weapons are the same ones screaming that our court system is to “harsh” and “draconian”.

  • Lazerus Phoenix

    Okay, let’s see………
    Airports – armed security – no shootings
    Police stations – armed security – no shooting
    Gun clubs – everyone’s armed – no shootings

    Movie theaters – no armed security – shootings
    Malls – no armed security – shootings
    Schools – no armed security – ‘Gun Free Zone’ – lots of shootings

    I’m detecting a pattern here!

    • Single women with guns in their homes = 12 to 15 times more likely to be injured or killed by a gun.

      Single women with NO guns in their homes = 12 to 15 times SAFER than if they had guns.

      I’m detecting a pattern here: the more guns around, the more danger.

      • Anonymous

        so you’re saying that a woman confronted by a rapist is better off if she doesn’t have a gun?

  • Lazerus Phoenix

    One would think it was obvious, but you on the left just can’t seem to grasp the concept that the NRA is NOT a faceless conglomerate working on it’s own!

    It’s millions of your fellow citizens, YOUR NEIGHBORS, acting together. And like it or not, we make this a better country for you! Even if you are not smart enough to admit it!

    Sure, we understand that many of you would prefer to be unarmed peasants of a dictatorial government, but as long as we draw breath, that will not happen! In the mean time, you are free to move to any dictatorial country of your choosing (if they will have you!).

    • pbmann

      Actually it is about 4 million members, with about 60% agreeing that there needs to be some kind of restriction on certain firearms but it is run by a shill of the gun manufacturers whose sole purpose is to increase gun sales.

  • Anonymous

    Duplicate

  • Anonymous

    Rep. Matthea Daughtry, D-Brunswick says “This is not the time for knee-jerk reactions that serve to hyper-polarize and take advantage of this tragedy.”
    I wonder if she will say the same if a gun control law is put into congress.

  • It’s amazing to me that the same demographic that talks of freedom, doesn’t recognize that pushing us toward a police state is not representative of a free country.

    • Anonymous

      Freedom grants everyone equal opportunity to create his or her life. The choices that an individual acts on can either be life affirming or life threatening. The 95% of humanity (I would guess) who instinctively know social and moral code and affirm both by daily choice to a healthy degree albeit sometimes greater and sometimes lesser should never have their freedom abridged by the 5% (I would guess) who would choose criminality, stupidity and/or immorality.

      Screams for criminal rights, supported by progressive politicians such as New England’s Michael Dukakis of Massachusetts have been polluting the rights of the 95% for decades to the point where here we are, debating whether criminal rights or the lives of Maine children are more important. Legal gun ownership does not make a gun owner a criminal.

      The Constitution provides for judicial recourse and existing laws need enforcement.

      • Anonymous

        Those kids at Sandy Hook would have had much better opportunity of Adam Lanza’s mother didn’t legally own an assault rifle. Banning assault rifles increases opportunity to be free and flourish.

        • Anonymous

          Lanza committed the criminal act.

      • Who’s suggesting the rights of criminals are more important than children?

        Who said gun owners are criminals?

        Who said existing laws don’t need enforcement?

        Not one, but three strawmen. Impressive.

        • Anonymous

          Reducing the imperative to protect the safety of children inversely
          aids and abets criminals who would do them harm.

          “Who said gun owners are criminals?” Perhaps you’ve missed the
          multitude of posts created by posters who by inversional logic cannot grasp the concept of evil and will therefore transfer the blame to the *cursed and criminal NRA*.

          The preponderance of evidence that laws need enforcement
          precedes your rhetorical question.

          Progressivism is a social virus and is antithetical to the Constitution. Your diversionary questions answered, perhaps we can get back to the discussion of protecting Maine’s children.

          • Living in a free society inversely aids and abets criminals who would do them harm. This is true. Though I’m willing to accept that price vs live in constant paranoia and fear and turn my freedoms over to governmental authority for a false sense of security.

            If there are a “multitude of posts” that represent what you’ve falsely attributed to mine, I suggest you respond to those multitude of posts to avoid future confusion. ;)

          • Anonymous

            Your reference to “a police state” falsly represents a society which chooses to protect their children as this same society does not permit underaged children to purchase guns to protect themselves.

          • We don’t live in a police state. Yet. Though it could become that if the wrong politicians and people are given authority to act. With every major disaster in this country, we seem ready to sacrifice just a bit more liberty for not even security, but the illusion of security.

            Should children be permitted to buy weapons? I don’t believe we should confuse the rights of children with the rights of adults.

          • Anonymous

            As I have said before, thank you for your civility, s_s. We agree that children definitely should not be permitted to buy the protection we are discussing here, of course!
            They are in our love and stewardship and they trust us to do so. We have to do everything in our power to protect them every way we can. It has never been necessary to arm schools in this country but we are in a forced new reality. Adults will deal with the issues as they see fit but the children…we need to be steadfastly vigilant until they are able to take care of themselves.
            I trust in the goodness that ethical, caring adults who have protective hearts at the sight of these beautiful children will always be willing to assume this work. Responsibility is the flip side of freedom.

          • Not a problem, and thank you as well. My concern is setting a bad precedent that is not easily reversed. I do not believe, as bad as this incident was, that a major shift in any policy is needed at this time.

            I think we need to step back and allow ourselves some time to process. Making hasty gun bans or adding guns into schools is not necessarily going to change anything, except perhaps, giving some peace of mind. Though obviously different things give different people peace of mind.

            I believe the threat of adding hundreds of thousands of armed individuals into schools across the country will add more long term risk and potential for perhaps deadly accidents or shootings that would not have previously taken place had guns not been introduced. And that would certainly defeat the purpose, wouldn’t it?

            Clearly, even with these guns in place, there is not a guarantee – not even a high likelihood, that better armed assailants would be stopped.

          • Anonymous

            The nature of this issue is best resolved at the local level and left in the hands of adults within the town or city community as they know best what their needs and resources are. Of course, the federal government can’t wait to usurp this issue.
            My conservative opinion is that in times like these (especially) defense is the best offense. I cannot trust that all will be OK if we do nothing and disagree that the possibility of finding counter ammunition would not stop a similar perpetrator.
            I instead place my trust in the protective, friendly smile of the concealed carrier.

          • Times like these? What times are those?

            Perception is important. In my opinion, many CCP holders who choose to carry guns on their person everywhere, all the time – have a very different perception of the world – one of exaggerated threats and paranoia. This perception has potential for creating dangerous situations where before they might not have existed.

            I agree that local control, and community opinions should decide such issues – not federal mandates and sure as heII not the advice of special interest groups, whose primary motivation is profit.

  • Anonymous

    If it is agreed that schools need to be made more safe from the rapidly unraveling public, I think a better long term solution to armed guards would be gated school grounds with safety glass windows and monitored remote-controlled entryways. After all, a suicide driven homicidal maniac can take out a guard or two on his way to his hellbent glory.

    • alf999

      Teacher’s are no different then the rest of the unraveling public.

  • Anonymous

    So far more guns has resulted in more dead. Armed school guards will result in more dead guards. MORE guns in schools will result in MORE dead children and Teachers. And so it goes…..on and on. The NRA cares more about the availability of GUNS and less about dead children.

    • Anonymous

      that’s because you only allow more guns for everyone except those who should be allowed to carry.

      when will you libs realize that criminals don’t follow laws, including gun control.
      it has been proven time and again that the banning of firearms on school campuses only results in victims that cannot do anything except hide and pray and wait until police arrive.
      by then, it’s all over.

      I know a man that is an expert marksman, outstanding shot, former law enforcement, and holds a concealed carry permit.
      he’s also a teacher, but because of the laws and policy, he cannot carry, he would not be able to protect his students in a hostile situation.

      • Anonymous

        Plenty of conservatives want stricter gun laws, including the majority of police. Plenty of liberals own guns. Stop trying to put a false template on the issue. The majority of US citizens are against assault rifles and big clips

        • Anonymous

          We might suggest that you stop trying to obviate the truth. There’s a long and well documented New England history of progressive liberalism which you cannot by historical truth gloss over.

        • Anonymous

          “The majority of police” spruce? Could you provide a source for that statement?

          The majority of US citizens have no idea what a “assault rifle” is.

      • pbmann

        When will people like you realize that more guns does not equal more safety.

        • Anonymous

          so why call the police when something bad happens? if more guns doesn’t equal more safety?

          the police are nothing more than good guys with guns and the authority of the state behind them.

          • pbmann

            Again I’ll ask you when will you realize that more guns does not mean more safety. There are more guns in the US now than there have ever been. Do you feel safer now then you did 10 years ago? 20? 50?

            Do you?

          • Anonymous

            I feel safer because i carry now.
            I realize that gun free zones are a false sense of security as has been demonstrated so many times of recent.
            I also understand that the police can’t be everywhere all at once, and that my own protection and safety is my responsibility.
            So I have the tools i need to even the odds.

          • pbmann

            What are the odds you talk about?

            I walk down my streets every day without a gun and I feel perfectly safe. I keep safe by being aware of my surroundings, who is near me and anything else I feel I need to know at the time to be safe.

            If you do not keep track of the same things I do, all the guns in the world will not make you safe and if you do you’ll most likely never need a weapon to defend yourself.

  • Anonymous

    There was an armed police officer at Columbine High School. How did that work?

    • Anonymous

      no there wasn’t.
      the first police officer that got to the school engaged in a firefight with one of the gunmen. the officer ran out of bullets and had to go back to his cruiser to get more.

      • Anonymous

        From today’s Huffington Post:

        In 1999, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold killed 15 people and wounded 23 more at Columbine High School. The destruction occurred despite the fact that there was an armed security officer at the school and another one nearby — exactly what LaPierre argued on Friday was the answer to stopping “a bad guy with a gun.”

        Deputy Neil Gardner was a 15-year veteran of the Jefferson County, Colo., Sheriff’s Office assigned as the uniformed officer at Columbine. According to an account compiled by the police department, Gardner fired on Harris but was unsuccessful in stopping him

        • Anonymous

          from the report on columbine “At approximately 11:24 a.m., a Jefferson County deputy sheriff arrived and began shooting at Harris and Klebold”

          no where in any of the official reports that i have found does it say there was an armed gaurd at the school.

          nice try though.

          • Anonymous

            I see you attributed your quote to the report.

          • Anonymous

            http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2000/columbine.cd/Pages/DEPUTIES_TEXT.htm

            the sheriffs deputy and an unarmed security guard were away from the school in the deputy’s patrol car. they were not at the school. so therefore they arrived after the shooting started.

          • Anonymous

            From the Huffimngton Post, 12/22/2012:

            In 1999, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold killed 15 people and wounded 23 more at Columbine High School. The destruction occurred despite the fact that there was an armed security officer at the school and another one nearby — exactly what LaPierre argued on Friday was the answer to stopping “a bad guy with a gun.”

            Deputy Neil Gardner was a 15-year veteran of the Jefferson County, Colo., Sheriff’s Office assigned as the uniformed officer at Columbine. According to an account compiled by the police department, Gardner fired on Harris but was unsuccessful
            in stopping him:

            Gardner, seeing Harris working with his gun, leaned over the top of the car and fired four shots. He was 60 yards from the gunman. Harris spun hard to the right and Gardner momentarily thought he had hit him. Seconds later, Harris began shooting again at the deputy.

            After the exchange of gunfire, Harris ran back into the building. Gardner was able to get on the police radio and called for assistance from other Sheriff’s units. “Shots in the building. I need someone in the south lot with me.”

            The second officer was Deputy Paul Smoker, a motorcycle patrolman who was near the school writing a speeding ticket. When he heard a dispatch of a woman injured at the high school, he responded. He, too, fired at Harris but didn’t stop him.

            In 2012, The Huffington Post became the first commercially run, United States digital media enterprise to win a Pulitzer Prize.

            In July 2012, The Huffington Post was ranked #1 on the 15 Most Popular Political Sites list by eBizMBA Rank which bases its list on each site’s Alexa Global Traffic Rank and U.S. Traffic Rank from both Compete and Quantcast.

  • Anonymous

    The crazies (and the parents of crazies) will always have guns, regardless of any gun laws. If you want to pretend that your schools, churches, and other public places should not have to worry about having a guard, that’s your mistake to make.

  • Anonymous

    It’s difficult to criticize the actions of the prinicipal and psychologist when their motives were clearly to protect the children. I can’t say I would do any different.(This type of confrontation is extremely dangerous ie hand to hand combat and unarmed self-defense) . If it’s not the teachers chosen profession (critical incident training)then its unlikely the teachers will be proficient in disarming the situation. It’s for this reason an armed guard needs to be present in the school.

  • Anonymous

    Ten Years Ago

    Israeli school security weighs heavily on parents’ minds

    SECURITY GUARD
    April 09, 2002

    A recent wave of suicide bomber attacks has forced Israeli school
    officials, parents and students into becoming more vigilant while
    sparking a national debate about how much security is enough.

    Needless to say, tension has been high at schools for some time.
    “There was once in our school this bag that a kid forgot,” said Daphne
    Bevenisty, 11, a student at the Beit Hakerem K-12 school. “And we got
    all scared, and we all went into the school. But it was nothing. Yeah,
    we’re alerted for these kinds of things.”

    At the Beit Hakerem school, parents have pooled their money — about $20
    annually for each student — to hire an additional security guard.
    “I just hope it’s enough, but I know it’s not enough,” said Dakar Askins, a parent whose child attends the school.

    The school encourages teachers with firearm licenses to wear their weapons
    in the classroom. “We’re told to keep happy and to try not to make the
    children any more nervous than they are,” said teacher Elaine Zaken. “We
    all force ourselves to smile.”

    A federal budget crunch has clamped limits on additional funds that could be funneled to schools to increase security.

    “When you put one man in school and a suicide bomber comes in, he will go
    in,” said Gideon Ezra, deputy minister for public security. “At least
    you would have a last line of defense. I think the chances we will catch
    a suicide bomber is more on the border or in the cities on the way to
    school.

    “It’s not enough, but when you have no choice, when you
    have no people, when you have no money, then you have to do what is
    good,” he said.

    Another line of defense comes from Israeli television, which has created a program aimed at increasing safety awareness among schoolchildren.

    Security officials appear on the program speaking to children about staying alert. The children are told to report anything unusual, such as someone wearing a heavy coat on a warm day.

    This is an old article from CNN. It may be found at the following reference:

    http://articles.cnn.com/2002-04-09/world/israeli.children_1_suicide-bomber-israeli-school-security-guard?_s=PM:WORLD

    The Israeli’s have had to deal with this on a daily basis. Perhaps to find answers for the future we need to look to the past for successful tactics.

    • Anonymous

      the teachers in israel are armed.
      they have been for quite some time.

  • Anonymous
    • Anonymous

      This is where the NRA gets their ideas…

  • Anonymous

    A true blue conservative belief is that with rights, comes responsibilities. All Maine motorists must maintain mandatory liability insurance against claims of injury and wrongful death. Compulsory liability insurance for firearms will offer the same protection to the shooting victims as it now does to automobile accident victims.

    The sale of this product would increase revenue for the job creators and have little added expense for the responsible gun owner. Of course the insurance companies would have to decide how to set the premiums (not our tax & spend government). The reward to safe gun owners would be lower premiums.

    Of course the insurance companies will probably want background checks and encourage gun safety training for their policyholders. All that little stuff would be something for the insurers to FREEELY NEGOTIATE with their clients.

    One could own and carry as many firearms as they wanted provided they had proof of insurance. Insurance rates should be very affordable provided the N.R.A.
    is not blowing smoke up our backsides. According to the N.R.A. gun deaths are a
    tiny problem overall, and most owners are totally responsible individuals who
    overall take adequate precaution already against accidental misuse of firearms.
    This should reflect in minimal risk for the insurance providers and small
    premiums for the insured.

    A big insurance payout is cold comfort for a parent who has lost a child, or
    the loss of any loved one. But it’s a start, and would begin to let the cost of
    owning firearms reflect the societal risk they impose.

    • Anonymous

      My insurance company provides personal liability coverage already. What they don’t cover is ANY criminal act. If I stab someone to death they aren’t going to provide liability coverage. If I rob someone house and injure someone in the process they aren’t going to cover it.

      • Anonymous

        Pull your head out…. What is the favored weapon used for mass killing of innocent people?? You have balls to try switching the conversation from AUTOMATIC firearms to KNIVES. The use of AUTOMATIC firearms for mass murder has no plans of ending. In Teabag Wacko Ville…. “People Kill, Not Guns”. Therefore, the policy must be on the AUTOMATIC firearm not the killer. If a 15-year old picks up his Prepper mommy’s AR-15 and blows the smiling faces off a few classmates immediately the NRA and a a multitude of self acclaimed Constitutional Scholars prepare us for the repetition of the same event in another unknown place and time, It’s Russian Roulette with the lives of our children. I am tired of this freakin’ game! Therefore, in consistency with the conservative belief that with rights, comes
        responsibilities, the responsible thing to do is to make all purchasers/owners of AUTOMATIC weapons to purchase an insurance policy on that weapon. I’ve been harvesting bear and deer with a bolt action 30-06 for over the past 40-years. I don’t need an AUTOMATIC weapon to kill. I guess that’s the difference between a real hunter and a Bullet Sprayer.

  • NRA = No Rational Assessment

    NRA profits from gun manufacturers. They will NEVER offer any sane, reasonable gun policy. Shame on anyone who still supports them.

    • Anonymous

      and what would your solution be?

  • larry white

    I for one think our kids deserve every aspect of protection we can give them.

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