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  • Anonymous

    For every 1.65 employed persons in the private sector, 1 person
    receives welfare assistance
    For every 1.25 employed persons in the private sector, 1 person
    receives welfare assistance or works for the government.
    This is not sustainable,
    Don’t blame the poor, blame the goverment that gives them just enough to make working not a viable alternative. If you truly are interested and concerned read this:

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-11-27/when-work-punished-tragedy-americas-welfare-state
    This is not from a far right web site but the Huff Post

    • Anonymous
      • Anonymous

        Hey no guns were used in that massacre. Imagine that. Same as Oklahoma City.

        • pbmann

          Since Friday there have been 3 multiple homicides using guns, two in AL and 1 in CO. Boy guns sure do make people safer.

          • How many fatal auto accidents in those States?

          • pbmann

            Since this year will see more gun related deaths (33,000) than deaths by auto accident (32,000), I would say the odds are that there were less.

    • Anonymous

      Blame the employers who do not pay enough to make it worth while to give up the pittance known as welfare. $485 a month is enough to entice them to refuse work? lol. If they got off welfare and went to work for minimum wage, they would cost us more than that in food stamps, heat assistance, and “free” health care down at the ER.

      • Anonymous

        Many don’t realize that the numbers of the “working poor” are growing. Wages have not kept up with the cost of living, so even those folks who have jobs qualify for assistance. Fight for living wages if you want to solve the problem.

        • Anonymous

          You nailed it.

      • Anonymous

        You are paid for either your skill level, training, and or education. If you have none of these then your paid level is low. Learn skills and work your way up the paid scale. So your saying it’s better not to work at all and have the government support you 100%, rather then get a min. wage job, learn a skill, have some self respect and get some help from the government?

        • Anonymous

          I agree skill,training and education are very important for success. But I just can’t stop thinking every time I go through the Maine turnpike toll booth that the person collecting quarters retiring with a pension and the person working at 7-eleven working for minimum wage having to collect food stamps. I believe the 7-eleven worker has more skill.

          • Anonymous

            I agree with you 100%. But isn’t it up to that person at the 7-11 to try and improve his or her situation? More skilled and or higher paying job. Maybe a little more education or other type of training. I’m a summing, like myself, you entered the job market at some point and worked your way up the system.

    • Johnny Arnold

      thats is not true.

  • Anonymous

    wow, thats a lot of progressive studies you mentioned. 771 words trying to prove Mr. McDonald not only wrong, but laying the overt groundwork that he is racist or something similar. Mr. McDonald spoke up in public in front of the world. Lets see, who is this editorial written by….hang on……gotta be here somewhere……. He was speaking about Lewiston, not the state or the country…..

  • LePage needs to constantly reiterate to us that he grew up disadvantaged and became Governor and he needs to vilify everyone who didn’t. I suggest it was his own intrinsic pathology and unfair advantage bestowed on him by Peter Snowe that got him as far as he went, which really isn’t far if you look at it well. Snowe did no favors for the state or LePage’s generation of young men who were conscripted to war because they didn’t have the means to get into college, while LePage was given a college entrance exam he could pass after failing the test everyone else was required to take.

  • Anonymous

    500 a month +free health care +free heat+free food+free housing+free cell phone+free legal representation+free narcotics[methadone clinics]provided by maine care+free taxi rides to said clinic= no reason to get a job.The average cash value of a welfare recipients daily take is $167 that is tax free mind you .For those of us who do work we would have to make $30 bucks an hour to rake in that kinda cash after taxes.

    • Anonymous

      haha yes, the poor are just rolling in the dough!

      • Not “rolling in the dough” but then not starving, cold or in a work-house either.

        back when Maine was in good economic health Families and friends were the only resources for poor folks…. of course back then it was easier to get a job which would provide at least two hots and a cot.

      • Anonymous

        No not rolling in it but definitely not destitute or lacking the basics that a lot of working folk have to do with out.It would cost me $1400 a month to have a Cadillac health care plan comparable to what is given freely to Maine care recipients.

    • Narsbars

      P.S. The cell phone plan was started by Bush. The recipients have to work to qualify and I would rather have someone being cured than stealing my car. They are welcome to yours.

      • Anonymous

        You R wrong on your details. They don’t have to “work.” They have to be getting TANF or other state benefits to qualify.

        • pbmann

          And in order to receive TANF you have to work.

          • Nope wrong again. There are a number of exceptions to the “work requirement” including, but not limited to; being disabled, having very young children, or living in an area with high unemployment. You have to “Look for work” but we all know how easy it is to fill that requirement without actually working.

      • Recipients do not have to work to get the free cell phone. They are dispensed as a ‘package” with other welfare benefits. if you qualify for one benefit, then you qualify for all.

      • Anonymous

        Don’t care who gave it to them I am neither r or d .Matter of fact I do not even care how much the gov’mint gives them just tired of listening to how rough welfare recipients have it where in most cases they are doing better then those of us working.I have been a small business owner and employer in this state since 97 and trust me when I say it’s freakin rough out here.As far as getting cured I’ve had at least a dozen people who have worked for me in the clinic and every one of them is still in the clinic.It’s not a cure it’s a maintenance program and they [the operators of these clinics] do not want anybody to “get cured”that would turn off the spigot. Last but not least p.s. means post script and is used after the body of the correspondence is complete.Thank you for your thought provoking reply though.

    • Joseph

      Most of what you said is lies. Please inform yourself with information that is actually true.

  • Generational welfare” results from the debilitating effects of long-term
    poverty, not laziness or easy living derived from milking a public
    assistance system that provides a family of three less than $500 per
    month. Mainers who are serious about addressing the problem must reject
    hackneyed stereotypes that demonize low-income residents.

    Not in all cases of course, though in some cases, yes. You can’t refute stereotypes with stereotypes. Getting honesty from the far left or far right on the issue is impossible.

    • Anonymous

      I noticed that, too…swinging a broad brush while complaining about the width of someone else’s brush.

  • Guest

    Wow! $633 a month and a rental allowance so I don’t have to live in a dump! Massachusetts here I come!!!!!!

    • Anonymous

      In a normal 40 week job that comes to be about 4 dollars an hour.

      • Guest

        Yes and it’s still terrible. People do not flock here for the lavish benefits as so many erroneously think they do. It’s a myth that won’t stop giving apparently.
        Still benefits in MA seem to be better than here, why move here for the lousy benefits, I believe most people who are poor and move here are trying to get away from the rat race elsewhere.

    • Anonymous

      That 633 may rent you a dive if you are lucky most rents start at 1,000 a month plus a entrance fee

  • Anonymous

    How about we fix the issue by giving out free and easily accessible abortions and free and easily accessible contraceptives aka the pill. Boom I just drastically lowered welfare and crime. The cost of doing this would be far out weight by the savings.

    • Anonymous

      Condoms are pretty cheap.

      • Anonymous

        yeah but the biggest issue is you have to have when when you have sex, vs. the bill as long as you take it daily you can have sex when ever. Sex is one of our most basic human instinics and humans will have sex, Condoms are cheap yes, but you have to have one in the moment. Try telling your body, well no condom no fun time. It is incrediably hard to do so, almost impossible.

        • Anonymous

          Failing to keep pants zipped is quickest route to 30+ years of child support. Stay out of the situation and it won’t happen.

          • Johnny Arnold

            last I knew it was 18.

          • Only fools believe their resposibility as a parent stops when the child turns 18. Financially or morally your kids are yours forever.

          • Anonymous

            That is like telling people, if you don’t like the air don’t breath it.

          • Anonymous

            And where are we getting with that as the sole contraceptive method?

        • Anonymous

          C’mon, my instinct is strong, but I when I was single I was always able to remember to use protection. It’s not an impossible task at all…

          • Anonymous

            That good for you, but as a population people do not always use them. If condoms were so easy then we would not have as many unwanted babies, They require you have in order to have sex, I am sorry but in the heat of the moment, its hard to just stop and say no, no condom no sex. They are great if they are handy, which they are not always.

          • Anonymous

            Sounds like you’re defending irresponsible behavior. Condoms protect against more than pregnancy, you know. Frankly, I don’t consider “but I couldn’t help myself” an adequate excuse.

            No glove, no love…

          • Anonymous

            No just being real, People have sex, they will always have sex, they will have sex with condoms and without it. Its stupid to expect people to only ever have sex when they have a condom. Its very easy to say no glove no love. In a perfect word that would be true, but we do not live in a perfect world, therefore people will have sex with out a condom. What you suggest is not ever going to happen, ever. Why? Because we are human and will give in do our desires and instincics.

          • Don’t confuse being real with being a fool. If pregnancy and stds (potentially fatal) aren’t enough to get your brain out of your johnson and back in your head, I don’t know what would.

          • Apparently my last post had a word BDN doesn’t allow?

            Anyway, there’s nothing “real” about what you’re suggesting. Humans are far from infallible, though if one is willing to give in to their animal instincts, at the risk of unwanted pregnancy or STD, they are not being real, they are being fools. Don’t confuse an accident with negligence – they are distinct.

          • Anonymous

            They are instincts for a reason, being real is to think people will control when they have sex. What is foolish is to ignore the problem. People will have unprotected sex, there is no if and or buts about it. You cant stop that or control that. But you can help the side effects that come with it aka pregnancy. Basically you are saying you know, don’t do what you are build to do, humans are meant to have sex. If they give in to there instincts then they are just being human.

          • That’s the beauty of being human. We have the power to override our more base animal instincts with logic if we so choose. It’s next to impossible to stop oneself and take 2 seconds to put on a rubber? Really?

            I’m all for providing free birth control, though if people are offered this and still make a choice to not use it, society should not be on the hook for the “side effects”. I’m pro-choice, though thinking of abortion as a form of birth control is a sick thought.

          • Anonymous

            But we don’t, some of our countries best have cheated, why because our instincts can not be controlled, they can be tempered but eventually you will give in.
            Also there is not excuse if you have a condom not to use it. That is not what I am getting at, what I am getting at is that its hard to say not to sex if you do not have a condom. That is there greatest issue, is you have to have one to have sex, but sex isn’t planned it happens. If women were able to have birth control mailed to there house they would be more likely to use it, and when the time or technology comes for a male form of birth control mail that to their house as well.

          • That power corrupts is no surprise, though the strongest willed and morally integral men and women will resist and put aside their animal urges, or at the very least, use protection and discretion.

            It’s an excuse to find ones self in a non-condom situation certainly, but a weak excuse. Any sexually active person should have that covered and if not – one can simply choose either to put it off, or find an alternative to copulation. There are obviously a multitude of ways to get off.

            Mailed? Now going to the store or clinic is too much to ask? Sheesh, why don’t we hand deliver them, and personally fit the guys with their rubbers? Hold on there Steve, you got it on backward – let me fix that for you? ;D

          • Anonymous

            There is not corruption about it, sex is a natural thing. I agree that sexual active people probably will be covered, but sometimes they find them selves in a position without one. Yes, going to the clinic can be to much to ask for, if you use public transport it can be very tough. You need to make this stuff easily because if you don’t people wont do it. Sad but true. We do that and the health and well being of out nation will be so much greater

          • You’ve expressed support for free contraceptives and free abortion…what about free sterilization?

            Come to the clinic and get free rubbers sounds pretty easy to me. They’re not having their sexual partners mailed to them are they? If the same people are going to bars and clubs to find their sexual partners, they can be bothered to make stops at the clinic I’d think.

          • Anonymous

            Sure, what ever the individual wants to do for their own family planning. You say its easy, but people don’t do it. Not matter how easy it is for them they don’t do it, that not the issue. The issue isnt’ well its not hard not, true. The issue is people still are not doing it. The cost of mailing it, vs the savings would be very small. Free easily accessible contraceptives would reduce welfare and crime a lot. More then the cost of mailing them.

          • I’m all for pragmatic solutions, though a line has to be drawn somewhere. Encouraging complete dependency on the state is no more an answer than is the flip side – letting the poor fend for themselves completely.

    • Anonymous

      Planned Parenthood gives out free contraception now. They also provide abortions at sliding scale, same as their other medical services.

      • Anonymous

        one center in Maine that does it, No, abortions should be provide in all major medical places and be free, you can walk in anytime no questions asked. Would save us a boat load of money in the long run.

  • Anonymous

    There is no reason to work. The picture is a perfect example he can stand there and bag for money but not go door to door asking for odd jobs. Many girls in school go form school to pregnant as a way to live as a kid is a golden ticket to ride the great American welfare train.

    • Anonymous

      Guy showed up on your door, would you give him a job around your house? In your house?

      • Anonymous

        That depends on his record. If he doesn’t have criminal record, he should be able to find some work.

        • Anonymous

          So that is a no, you would not give him a odd job if he showed up at your door step? You would wait for a back ground check and get back to him.

  • Anonymous

    Once again, no mention of the percentage of people in Maine who are on “welfare” that go to work everyday at places like, let’s say, Marden’s. When you work for cheap skates like the Marden brothers, you are eligible for food stamps, heat assistance, and “free” health care down at the emergency room. The poor rubes at ChinaMart make even less, if that is possible.

    • Anonymous

      Well put. Who are we REALLY subsidizing? …the labor costs of our wealthiest people.

    • Anonymous

      and again, exactly how much should businesses (any business….small up to Walmart sized) pay for unskilled labor? What should somebody flipping burgers at McDonald’s or stocking shelves at Marden’s actually earn for that?

      Most of the jobs at these places can be handled by high school students. If somebody is still stuck doing that work when they are 30 or 40, I don’t think that necessarily means McDonald’s/Marden’s/Walmart/etc now must pay them way more because they have a family/need health insurance/want a new car/trying to pay rent or mortgage.

      If somebody is working the cash register at Marden’s when they are 30, something has gone wrong. Get more education/training and move up to a higher paying position.

      I know many on the left will take my post as “hating” poor people. I don’t at all. I also don’t believe that businesses should be demonized for paying less money for what are essentially unskilled positions. If unskilled labor can make enough to afford homes/health insurance/cars, then one that isn’t much incentive for many to go to college and further their education/skill set.

      • Anonymous

        If these entry level jobs do not pay enough for these people to survive without government cheese, regardless of their skill level, the tax payers have to make up the difference with food stamps, heat assistance, and “free” medical care down at the emergency room. I am sick of subsidizing big corporate America while they hoard billions. Again, nice and slow. What percentage of all these Mainers who are taking advantage of our gracious social services go to work everyday? They just work for skin flints who pay them minimum wage.

      • Anonymous

        “and again, exactly how much should businesses (any business….small up to Walmart sized) pay for unskilled labor?”

        It’s very simple. Anyone working a full time job should make a livable wage.

      • Anonymous

        Whats the cost of going to collage ?? Do you know that a lot of kids theses days are taking a hard look at the cost of collage an do not want to be saddled with hug collage deth. I saw a program on tv that said id the fast food places went up 20 cents on there product they could pay goo wages an benefits . Would 20 cents more for a meal hurt you ?”

      • Joseph

        Actually college was not a possibility for most Americans until after the GI bill, shortly after World War II. It was government intervention that allowed many white American males to attend college. It was true upward mobility and gave rise to “the suburbs.”

        This road that was not built by me, took my tire off of my car, I may say nothing, because I did not build that road. The road builders owe me nothing?

        Right buddy? I am meeting the best people on here. It is soo cool.

    • Anonymous

      We need to examine the waste at the government level in the war on poverty. Since the incompetent and inept Dem regime was replaced with someone actually concerned with getting the job done and saving taxpayer money, we are saving 36% on the cost of construction of each low income housing unit built in Maine. This is enough to build an additional 144 units.

      http://content.govdelivery.com/bulletins/gd/METREAS-6273c9

      Unfortunately the voters just voted to go back to the Dale McCormick era when we were throwing money away and getting less for it.

  • Gary Libby

    Te poor are just easier targets.

  • Anonymous

    There is very little mention, of, hardworking people who work for 40 or 50 years, pay their way, raise their children, pay their bills, and then retire and SS gives them $200.00 to 350.00 a week, and not enough to live on in Maine, without help, so much for hard work, the truth is, Maine has a quiet policy to replace poor Mainers with rich out of state retirees, this war on the poor is a great quiet shame in Maine. It seems that, the 20-30 year old on-line generation and the retiring baby boomers, are more and more in a situation of not having enough money to get by on, without help.

    • northernmaine

      SS was designed as a safety net, it was never designed to be a persons sole form of retirement income. Individuals are suposed to look an plan ahead for their retirement.

      • Anonymous

        You are correct and unfortunately hindsight is always 20/20.

      • Anonymous

        “SS was designed as a safety net, it was never designed to be a persons sole form of retirement income.”

        This is a lie. From the Social Security Website:

        “Q4: Is it true that Social Security was originally just a retirement program?
        A: Yes.”

        http://www.ssa.gov/history/hfaq.html

        You may not like that SS is a retirement program. You may not think that government should be in the business of providing retirement programs. But Social Security is, always has been and was in fact designed to be a retirement program.

        • Anonymous

          You didn’t read far enough.

          http://www.socialsecurity.gov/pubs/10024.html/session/10029.html#a0=0

          But Social Security was never meant to be the only source of income for people when they retire. Social Security replaces about 40 percent of an average wage earner’s income after retiring, and most financial advisors say retirees will need 70 percent or more of pre-retirement earnings to live comfortably. To have a comfortable retirement, Americans need much more than just Social Security. They also need private pensions, savings and investments.

          • pbmann

            The Right is doing all they can to get rid of private pensions and the working poor do not make enough money to save for retirement nor invest for retirement. Until employers are willing to pay a living wage many people will only be able to rely on SS benefits when they retire.

          • Anonymous

            Irrelevant to my point. I was simply correcting misinformation of another poster. I should probably have indicated that was a quote from the Social Security Administration.

            But since you brought it up:

            Private pensions have been on a downhill slide since the 80’s . The PRIMARY reason is not some vast right wing conspiracy. It is because people move from job to job… not wedded to one company. This made portable 401ks and IRA’s the retirement vehicle of choice.

          • Anonymous

            From previous posts, you run a business. What sort of retirement plans do you employees have?

          • Anonymous

            At one time I contributed 2-3 thousand a year to each employee. We have had to scale that back with the reduction in business and increase of healthcare costs. I would have loved to do more.

          • Anonymous

            Ok say you have a 401k an ira’s say you get a divorce an lawyer will go after half of both of them so what do you have left to retire on with SS. At least if all you have is SS all that person can get when they are 65 is what is aloud by law

          • Anonymous

            I am not trying to confuse people but my initial comment was a quote from the SSA not me.

      • Anonymous

        A lot of the elderly in maine are widows. In the rural counties, i believe about 50% of elderly women live on less than $14K. Reality is in much of Maine that people didn’t work in jobs that gave them pensions. So SS is the reality for many people.

      • Yeah but as with other “social programs” when social security was introduced the employers reduced their contributions to personal business based retirement plans.

        Here in Maine State workers give up their Social Security to get State retirement. So one leg of Franklin Roosevelt’s “three legged stool” (Savings, retirement plan and Social Security) is missing.

      • Anonymous

        I can tell you are not familiar with the pay of Maine jobs, or of the cost of living here, saving anything of of their earnings is next to impossible, for most.

        • northernmaine

          Born and raised here, 46 years. Almost all of them in Aroostook County, I think I know what I’m talking about.

          The “poor” people that spend their money on big screen tv’s, cable, smart phones, snowmobiles, 4 wheelers, cigarettes and other things that are not neccessary in life instead of putting that money into savings for retirement when they don’t make a lot of money suffer from a lack of money management. It seems like most “poor” people I see smoke cigarettes, wht are they like $5.00 a pack? a pack per day, that adds up to real money, saving on the trips to Mcdonalds helps to. Just sayin’

          • Anonymous

            Well, I will say one thing, if what you say is true, then, those people up their in the County have got their priorities correct.

          • northernmaine

            If you think that behavior and money management style for the poor is a good thing, you must be one of them.

    • Anonymous

      So, how do “rich out of state retirees” displace poor Mainers? Examples please. I’m of the opinion the GRAMPYS help the economy rather than hurt it.

  • Anonymous

    “Being poor is people surprised that you are not actually lazy…”

    Full essay

    http://whatever.scalzi.com/2005/09/03/being-poor/

  • Anonymous

    “Little evidence exists to show that welfare recipients relocate to maximize their eligibility for benefits. A study by Northwestern University researcher Bruce Meyer titled “ Do the Poor Move to Receive Higher Welfare Benefits?” found that “Over a five-year period less than 2 percent of high-school dropout single mothers are induced to migrate to receive higher welfare benefits. …
    ___________________________________________________________

    Boy, talk about using one “stat” to make the case for something else. So, the writer of this article is, in essence, saying that unless the person moving to Maine is a single mother who is also a high school dropout, anybody else moving to Maine for better benefits doesn’t count?. What IF 10,000 single mothers (for some reason that is relevant?) who had high school diplomas moved to Maine for better benefits? Those don’t count because they are not “high school dropouts?)

    Anybody who thinks that people don’t move to a state that doles out benefits more than where they came from is just fooling themselves.

    • Joseph

      Yes, insult the study, without reading it. How about you look up facts that support you, instead of making up your own. Thank you, I needed to see the standard, “That information is counter to what I [feel], therefore it is not real,” argument. I had a good laugh.

  • Anonymous

    Mr. MacDonald mistakenly assumes that people would be willing to live in Lewiston for $485 a month. Even poor people have some standards.

  • Anonymous

    Maybe many of the poor are poor because of lousy choices they made, make and continue to make.

    • Anonymous

      Not all people who are poor are poor because of the choices they made. That is the kind of attitude that makes it so difficult to get help to the ones that truly deserve it. Imagine losing your job, going through all your savings to pay the bills and buy groceries, still not being able to find a job, or finding a much lower paying job. When all your resources are gone and the fridge is empty, what do you do? Going to DHS is an act of desperation. Using your food stamp card at the supermarket while everyone scrutinizes what you are buying with “their” money is the ultimate humiliation. Yeah, please..I want to be poor

      • Anonymous

        Imagine a young person making poor choices with regards to their schooling, their choice of friends, selfish or destructive behavior, unplanned pregnancies, possible drug or alcohol addiction, lack of ambition or aspiration. Why should they change their behavior or choices? No real need to, since they have services to turn to, services to help them, services that allow them to continue their poor choice-making habits. And you want society to keep ponying up for the continual bad choices of others? Is that really helping the situation? Don’t think so.

    • Joseph

      Choice. It is the all defining word of poverty. It is choice, not situation? It is never a situation but always, and only, a choice? Kouch you want to refute the experiences of others and their situations. What does this do? Does this remove the problem? Their poverty is our poverty, and a nation is only as strong as its weakest citizens.

      What is the goal? Do we imprison them? Do we let them starve? Do we call them untouchables? What do we do, Kouch? Kill them? Leave them to die? I want to know? Do they “Get a job?” — what Job?

      Your words demonstrate a general lack of understanding. You should educate yourself before commenting. It appears you see condemnation as a solution. Any educated person knows it is not a solution.

      • Anonymous

        Come off your self-righteous high-horse for a moment Joseph and consider the fact that human beings respond positively to parameters, to finite limits. Nobody wants to deny help to those who truly need it. That’s why help is better left to the local levels, who know and live among those that need help. And open ended assistance only fosters dependency and sense of entitlement. Find out why many cannot or will not find a job. Why should they, again as long as bleeding hearts endlessly supply assistance only to reinforce their predicament. How is that helpful?

        • Joseph

          Research Joblessness. Good book to check out, argue and research, is, “The Social Construct of Difference and Inequality”

  • Anonymous

    Stop confusing this debate with facts. We all know that everyone on welfare eats lobster every night and gets a free car, because our sister in-law’s cousin saw it happen.

    • Joseph

      [going along with dyers humor.]

      They, the poor, hide their accounts in off shore banks. They sell their prescriptions and make 5000 dollars a month! They drive big gas guzzling trucks and chain smoke while on methadone! 7 and a 1/2 babies are in their back seat all from different drug dealing fathers. They are living the high life. Free everything for them at the cost of tax payers.

      *I am joking. People think this, but it is not true, it is silly. Like Dyer said, stop mucking up our hate for the poor with facts.

      • Oh there are plenty of “facts” like the Bolling Drive mother who left her two young children alone while she and her date stayed out on the town for a couple of days? Or the Frankfort woman who drank herself to sleep while the family dog devoured her youngest child while a 3-year-old brother watched. Or the woman who had her children break into neighbors houses and steal jewelry? Or the woman up in Capehart who starved her 5-year-old daughter to death? Or the Waterville couple who “lost” their daughter?

        What about the poverty stricken drug addicts who get paid to drive to methadone clinics (I hear they get $.54 a mile) and are then allowed (by law) to drive themselves home (or anywhere else) stoned. Talk about “special rights.”

        I di not mind helping people out of a jam. That is the Maine way, but come on, these folks do not want “help” they want gifts.

        The lady down the Street from me worked all her life, she lives on less than $500 a month, and The State (in its generosity) gives her $16 a month in food Stamps, and $100 a year in fuel assistance.

        There is something wrong here!

        • Anonymous

          You are absolutely right. There is something wrong and I’m in total agreement with you. There are those that manage to bilk and abuse the system. My problem is that it is the few who do this that complicates it for the many who need it. We all hear the stories of the abuse. I’d like to see some stats on how many are abusing the system vs how many need it and are not abusing it.

          • “Caring for others” is a industry. People do this for a living. It is easier to spend other people’s money than to spend your own. There is no “over-site” because the same people who spend this money, and make a living from it, also are the ones who account for how it is spent.

          • Joseph

            You should research what you are saying.

        • Good! Then be a dear and help that poor old lady out would you? Someone needs to help her, and since you know her, and know all about her situation in detail, you should be the one to help her. What a good person you are!

          • You are the big liberal with all the heart You help her. I’m busy making sure you won’t have to pay to care for me when I’m older and feeble. Isn’t that good of me?

          • Anonymous

            How do you know he’s a Liberal? Hmmm, maybe just maybe he has some ummmmmmmmmmm empathy! Do you understand that word? And I sure hope you do have all you need for when you are old and feeble. Make sure you hang on tight to every dime and if you happen to get a catastrophic illness just go ahead and lie down and die because you won’t be able to afford to live after that

          • Anonymous

            Not good enough.

        • Joseph

          —sorry for the wall of text, I promise it is interesting—

          “Oh there are plenty of ‘facts'”…
          — So you do have plenty of facts to hate poor?

          …Bolling Drive mother who … [killed her children by leaving them in a car so she could be on a date] …Frankfort woman..[Neglected her child and was eaten by family pet, while 3 year old watched]…[woman trained her children to be thieves] … [Woman starved 5 year old daughter to death]…[A couple lost their daughter]

          — Let me understand what you are trying to say: These people need less help. If we give them nothing then they will not have children, will not murder them, and will make more responsible choices. If we pretend that they are not already a problem, then there is no problem. Only poor people murder children?

          — I am just clarifying your position. So I can better understand your argument.

          “What about the poverty stricken drug addicts who get paid to drive to [the] methadone clinics (I hear they get $.54 a mile)… [they can drive stoned, talk about, ‘special rights'”

          — Anyone who is driving impaired under any substance can be charged with DUI. Isolating a series of events from any particular moment in time without contrasting it between time and space is irresponsible, but common.

          “I [do] not mind helping people out of a jam. That is the Maine way, but come on, these folks do not want “help” they want gifts.”

          –So the people that murder children do not want help? They want gifts for murdering children, it does not sound like we are talking about the poor, but murders who were brought to justice.

          — Are you talking about addicts, who are selfish, due to their substance abuse? If we give them nothing because they are not our problem, then they will do better? They will develop compassion and empathy? They will not murder, rob, mug and beat people if they have nothing, they will get a job.

          “The lady down the Street from me worked all her life, she lives on less than $500 a month, and The State (in its generosity) gives her $16 a month in food Stamps, and $100 a year in fuel assistance.”

          –So you want more management of welfare? Do you want more expenditure of tax payers money? You want to decide who gets money? Do you want to drug test everyone that gets a stipend? More prison time for prisoners? More death for people who need to die? Very expensive to drug test, more regulations or less is not an answer, and prison is super expensive. — fake extremely low estimate 35k a year * 15 years for two inmates is 1 million dollars — With high chance of re-offending upon release.

          There is something wrong here!

          –Yes, what is wrong, is you are not looking at what you are saying. It is not that you dislike the poor and attribute their misfortunes to something wrong inside them. It is that you do not understand your own statements and thus confuse the argument.

          • Sorry guy, fell asleep after the first paragraph.

            Worked in “the system” for years. I don’t “hate the poor” I understand perfectly what I am saying. My mistake was probably in using English. My bad, I should have written it in Farsi or Spanish.

            I’m 100% O.K. with you writing a check to support the causes about which you feel strongly. I get upset when you decide I should pay for your wish list.

          • Anonymous

            Wow! Nice attitude. Hope you don’t work in the “system” any longer. Sounds like you are burnt right out

          • Anonymous

            Total deflection. Not everyone can afford a Tux.

        • Anonymous

          Data please.

  • Anonymous

    Some of these posts are almost laughable. You can certainly tell those who have gone to bed (or not) worrying about how they are going to take care of their family the next day and what they are going to put into their kids stomachs to keep them full until you can find money. You can tell the people who have never been to a soup kitchen or food pantry or had to endure the scrutiny of others standing in line at a grocery store. How about going around picking up bottles and cans so you can buy some noodles to make sure the kids eat. Don’t tell me about choices and laziness or moving somewhere else where the benefits are better! Bull! Must be nice to sit on your holier than thou thrones and think you know what you are talking about!

    • Anonymous

      It is sad enough that you have to struggle with insecurity it is worse that you have to listen to the drivel of mindless, soulless idiots who simply talk to hear their heads roar. Stay strong. Most people care about you and wish you well.

  • Anonymous

    I support welfare.
    I don’t support a system that allows people to relocate simply to get a better free ride from taxpayers.
    We should institute residency requirements for welfare.
    This isn’t a one sided issue. Asking for a residency requirement isn’t “scapegoating the poor”. We have a duty to make certain that our welfare dollars are spent fairly and wisely, or else they won’t be there for those truly in need.
    Again, I support welfare. For those people who live here and need it. I don’t support maintaining a system that attracts people to move here with the sole intention of collecting welfare.

    • Anonymous

      You might want to try reading for comprehension.

  • Anonymous

    Hmmmm… so less than 1% of Maine’s population receives cash TANF benefits? 9422 total? The way the Repubs talk, you’d think everone was on the dole!

  • Anonymous

    LePage, Macdonald and others like them that constantly scapegoat the poor are not terribly smart people. OK We can live probably with that. They are occasionally bullies. Maybe we can live with that some of the time. What we can’t live with is their constant lying about poverty in Maine. These people have access to all the statistics about the poor, who they are, where they live, where they come from, how many there are and what jobs they hold and yet they publicly lie about the poor. They know they are lying when they say all people on welfare are cheating. They know they are lying when they say that people are moving into Maine for the benefits. They know they are lying when they blame the poor for not working. These are deeply and deliberately dishonest men. We should be calling them what they are …. liars.

  • Anonymous

    An excellent editorial; thank you.

  • northernmaine

    From what I see of fraud in the welfare system, there is plenty of it, there are also plenty of people that are on the system that are trying to get off of it.
    In my opinion the welfare system is like a trap once your in, it’s hard to get off of it because as soon as you start working they yank most of the benefits out from under them making the transition very difficult if not impossible.
    The whole system need to be restructured to encourage and require those that are able to lead productive lives.
    I’m all for helping those that can’t help themselves, I am not in favor of helping those that won’t help themselves.

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