Comments for: Coroner: Conn. gunman shot mom repeatedly in head

Posted Dec. 16, 2012, at 7:28 a.m.
Last modified Dec. 16, 2012, at 9:58 p.m.

NEWTOWN, Conn. — The gunman in the Connecticut shooting rampage shot his mother multiple times in the head before going to the school and gunning down 26, and he committed suicide as first responders closed in, authorities said Sunday, raising the specter that Adam Lanza had planned an even more …

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  • Anonymous

    Now is not the time for ” sweeping new legislation”on anything , Dem or Rep.
    Kneejerk reactions usually are shortsighted and counterproductive in the long term.

    Now is the time for reflection and support for all involved in this tragedy.

    • Anonymous

      No. NOW is the time to rip open the gun debate. Otherwise this will go down like all the rest…forgotten in a short period of time. The gun nuts will lay low saying things like “don’t politicize this…” and “it won’t do any good…” and the whole thing will blow over and the moment will be gone again.

      What is it with Americans who feel some sort of need to have so many firearms? Want one for protection? Maybe. But this loser’s mom had how many? Four? Five? Six? Seven?

      Want to hunt? We’ll talk about it. But do you need an assault rifle to hunt? If so, then you shouldn’t be hunting.

      Need a permit, need to pass a test, and need to be a good driver to keep your driver’s license…But a gun? Just hit an age range…and you don’t even need to do that because someone in Uncle Henry’s will sell you just about anything.

      You get the gun nuts who claim they need these guns or their government will stomp them. News flash – The Federal Government has already stomped you…and it has tanks…so even if you had 100 assault rifles, it would still stomp you. So don’t bother telling me how your guns protect us from a “Hitler”. They don’t. We have more guns per capita than any nation in the world…Yemen (ooh, now there’s a country I want to emulate) is a distant second. Really?

      People cry “2nd Amendment” as though it wasn’t designed to have state militias as opposed to goobers armed to the teeth on every street corner. Funny though, people are willing to cough up their First Amendment rights like they were Pez in the interest of safety, but not their supposed 2nd. Don’t believe me? Yell “Bomb” the next time you get on an airplane. You can’t do that but you can walk the streets with a semi-auto assault rifle slung on your back.

      Seriously?

      Don’t want any form of gun control (but you’ll allow free speech control)…?

      Then you better push your school boards and town managers to pony up the dough (and that means mil rates will increase….tough for you) to put a school resource officer in every school, because that’s what it will take for you to really be reasonably sure your child is safe at school. Otherwise somewhere in the back of your mind you’ll always wonder if you’ll be the parent staring at Christmas presents under a tree which will never be opened. Police officers exist on college and university campuses, they should exist in the schools.

      You can have all the school security plans you want (cameras, doors that lock, lock down procedures) but all those do is slow down a lunatic and allow him to “only” kill 30 instead of 60. Schools tout these things to show to their communities how “safe” they are and that they have a plan. I know. I really do know this. Can’t tell you how. Sorry. But they’re not safe at all.

      Some armed nutcase out there looking to go to war because he was picked on or because mommy was too hard on him will blow through each and every school “safety plan” that doesn’t include a school resource officer and will kill and kill until he kills himself.

      Have meaningful gun control and schools which are really safe. All the rest is a bunch of foolishness and partisan garbage.

      PERIOD.

      • 3rd rail

        Words of wisdom. (and I have a fairly good guess how you know all this)

      • Anonymous

        Indeed. And all a school safety officer would mean is that the next shooter would plan to ambush them first, then proceed with the rest. But the gun lovers are like drug addicts. They will twist any argument, use any sophistry, to deny the inevitable, tragic and inhumane result of their addiction.

        • Anonymous

          It is an addiction, isn’t it? Maybe we need to treat gun addicts the way we treat all addicts: send them to detox facilities for a while.

          • Guest

            I don’t think it’s any worst then lets say homosexuality or marijuana. There are a lot of responsible gun owners out there. But we have to come up with a better check/balance system to try and limit the guns getting into the wrong hands.

          • Anonymous

            An impossibility. I once knew someone who created throw away guns from parts, not necessarily parts of old guns. If someone wants a weapon, s/he will get a weapon..legal or otherwise. Since, to my understanding, Connecticut does have gun registration laws and nothing was said to the contrary in these articles, I’m assuming this woman registered her guns. I’m also assuming in this, but from what is written about her, she appears to have been a responsible adult, and probably kept her weapons secured. This is a horrible, horrible tragedy, But let’s not ban air flight because a plane crashed. BTW, most plane crashes are caused by pilot error, not by planes deciding to plummet out of the sky. These last two sentences are not directed to you, 3rd rail, I get what you’re saying.

          • Anonymous

            Addicts ???
            Define addicts, for us , dear Doctor.
            Re-education camps.
            Yes, great idea !!
            What a brainstorm !!!
            It worked great for the Cambodians, Russians , Chinese
            and a few other tyrannical , murderous regimes.
            ……Not sure that is a realistic, viable option,Jes.

          • Bill Bob

            Ok, now you’re just being ridiculous.

        • Anonymous

          and then there is “safety” in the malls, and the theaters and the work place— all also places of public attack , now . SO we all should pay more so the gun enthusiasts can “enjoy” their recreational “rights” ?? Because that is what gun “enthusiasm” is ALL about —-RECREATION .

          Not hunting or self defense. or even a call to revolution because they don’t agree with the majority, the main stream in our society. RECREATION …The ability to blow the heck out of that watermelon on a stick or that glass bottle in a gravel pit…and get a thrill up their leg over it.???.

          • Anonymous

            Just an FYI, there’s a news story coming out of Oregon that during the mall shooting last weekend, the murderer was drawn down on by someone with a concealed weapons permit. The man didn’t take the shot because there was someone behind the killer and he feared hitting an innocent person. Even the police stated it ended so quickly it seemed odd and it appears we now know why.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=iD52IxplEoM

          • Anonymous

            And you’ll notice these incidents rarely, if ever, make front page news. That should give everybody some idea as to the reason incidents such as the Columbine slaughter get huge press, and incidents such as noted above are tucked away on YouTube. I tend to not read most news in depth because I’m sick of the negativity out there, so I’d not even heard about this Oregon story until now. It, too, should have made front page. People need to ask themselves why it did not.

          • The mall shootings were everywhere. Coverage was all over the place. What happened was not hidden, not kept quiet, not relegated to the back page. News stations broke coverage on it.

          • Anonymous

            it ended because the gun jammed and he couldn’t reload it.

          • Anonymous

            Ummm, he killed himself with the gun. Apparently he got the jam figured out. Knowing this there was a reason he didn’t continue on his spree and instead turned the gun on himself.

          • Wow, one situation out of the thousands that occur each year. Well there’s a ringing endorsement of all the gun-carriers out there!

          • Anonymous

            Yep, and every major shooting has taken place in a non-gun zone, Chicago has the most stringent firearms law in the nation and the highest murder rate, and yet this one citizen using his firearm to help stop a murder didn’t even make the news. There are thousands of stories of people protecting themselves, their family, and others but we never hear about those interestingly enough.

        • Remanded, you have it all wrong. The school safety officer would be an NRA member, and would therefore be immune to any attack. Only NRA heroes can stop their fellow gun lovers from committing mass murder.

      • The 2nd Amendment protects the rest of the our rights, when they take that, watch and see how quickly the rest of your rights are taken away.

        • Anonymous

          You think your little guns are going to prevent the U.S. government from doing anything?!? Last time I checked, they control nuclear devices of all sizes, shapes and forms.

          I don’t own a gun. I don’t add to the problem. But I have to put up with you cowards who can’t sleep at night unless you have a gun tucked under your pillow.

          • Its not about being able to sleep at night, and its not being cowardly. I am a mother of 5 beautiful children. If someone was to enter my home, armed, with the intention of hurting my family, damn right I’m going to kill them before they kill my boys. Its not about adding to the problem. RESPONSIBLE gun ownership helps stop the problem.

            Think about it, which would you rather go after: Someone totally incapable of defending themselves, or someone you know could kill you? Having the right to protect yourself and your family is not a problem. And criminals are not going to stop carrying guns just because some legislation says its illegal. Until society as a whole reaches a level that these acts of violence stop, people should and will continue to protect themselves. That is what the second amendment allows for, and I’m proud I live in a country where I have the right to defend myself and my family.

          • Anonymous

            Unless, of course, you are killed first! Just because you own a gun, a CWP, or an NRA member, it doesn’t make YOU bulletproof.

          • Anonymous

            Exactly. And it’s the gun owner, not the intruder, who usually gets shot with her own gun.

          • Bill Bob

            Prove it.

          • Look it up. The facts are out there. Stop listening to the NRA and FOX News and other pro-gun propaganda. Think for yourself, learn for yourself, for once. You think the NRA is going to tell you the facts? Their job is to take your money and help sell more guns.

          • Bill Bob

            At least you have a better chance.

          • A better chance of being killed or wounded by your own gun, or someone else’s.

            People who own guns are victims of gunshots at a rate higher than non-gun owners. You are generally NOT safer in having guns in your home. You are at more risk.

          • Sure it does! Haven’t you noticed that every shooting in America is eventually stopped by a brave, card-carrying member of the NRA? Especially the mass shootings. There’s always one of those brave NRA folk around to stop it!

            Actually, the only time this happened was in the Portland, OR mall shootings. But NRA supporters tend to live in a fantasy land. That’s why they have guns in the first place.

          • Anonymous

            What are the odds anyone is going to come into your home and kill your children?! For crying out loud, a bus could run them over, they could drown, they could get killed in a car wreck, any number of things can happen in life.

            What’s more, it’s been shown over and over that the gun you keep is usually used to kill YOU before you can use it on anyone else.

          • Anonymous

            NO it hasn’t been shown to be the case.
            Prove it.

          • Anonymous

            Gun owners more often kill themselves than others

            Read more:Gun owners more often kill themselves than others – The Denver Posthttp://www.denverpost.com/ci_9747969#ixzz2FJdOQODm

          • It HAS been shown to be the case. My God, man, Google gunshot deaths/injury stats for homes with guns vs. homes without guns. You are in more danger owning a gun. Learn something for once, for yourself, instead of assuming other people are wrong, just because YOU believe what some gun industry fruits try to make you believe.

          • Bill Bob

            What are the odds that a school shooting is going to happen. To bad the teachers were not armed.

          • Anonymous

            Thats why you make you bed room a safe room an the kids room should be a safe room to

          • lIIIIIlll

            Yeah until they start acquiring cheap rpgs or other weapons that take down buildings not made to breach and shoot, Lol. Having a pea shooter 9mm or shotgun won’t help vs a high powered assault rifle anyway, those go through cement walls and take off limbs still.

            Its useless debate, guns are not the problem, just unstable people are. You will never be safe from a unstable person no matter what laws are in place over guns, if someone wants to carry out something like that; a gun would probably be one of the more in-effective weapons (as you can see by his failure to carry out the plan to full potential).

          • Anonymous

            so what “HOME” was Lanza “defending”??

          • If only his mother kept guns in the house, she could have protected herself, right? ……

          • LittleMama, I hate to break it to you, but you are putting your children in danger. Having a gun in your home puts you and everyone living with you at a higher statistical risk of being killed or injured by a gun.

            That’s the funniest thing about gun owners; having a gun kills or injures more of them than the people who choose not to have a gun.

            Enjoy your raised risk of you or your kids being killed or wounded by your own guns. Smart decision.

          • A thumbs-down, but no rebuttal.

            A woman with a gun in the home is 12 to 15 times more likely to be a victim of gun violence than a woman with no gun in the home. Sorry, it’s a fact. Think about it.

          • Anonymous

            Years ago when my kids were very small, a group of guys were getting their jollies by skulking around my hard in the middle of the night, pounding on outside walls, rapping on windows, and scaring the bejasus out of my kids. This resulted in my kids being afraid to go into their bedrooms and ultimately in them losing sleep because they were afraid to close their eyes. The police, including a state trooper attempted to catch them, but the guys knew the woods well enough that it was easy to evade the authorities. We all knew who it was but had no evidence to support the knowledge. It finally stopped when I laced a .22 shot between the knees of one of the guys standing at the mouth of my drive one night. I can guarandamtee you he’d have preferred it if I’d not had the right to own a gun.

          • Anonymous

            So you think firing a gun at someone’s legs was the one and only way in all the universe to solve your problem, Barb?

          • Anonymous

            Why don’t you get back to us on this after you’ve been physically harassed and pushed around by somebody years younger and many pounds heavier than yourself.

          • Anonymous

            You prove my point. Because our society allows us to own guns, we automatically use them to solve our problems. Without the gun, you would have come up with some other solution.

          • MARINE73

            If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.

          • Outlaws only have guns because the NRA makes sure that they can buy them over Craigslist or at gun shows.

            All guns started out as legal; the bad guys only got them because of the “good guys” who are too dumb or greedy to properly keep them.

          • So you shot at a presumably unarmed person, and got lucky not to injure or kill them? Yes, YOU are exactly the type of people we want walking around with guns. And to think, you got 8 likes against 1 dislike. Wow, there is something wrong in the brains of the gun crew.

          • Anonymous

            Im not worried about our Govt using nukes on us.
            Not when our Govt has unmanned missile firing drones.
            They seem to be pretty efficient and accurate, at least compared
            to the Maine State Police and their case of misorientation
            in Belmont the other night.

          • Anonymous

            Yes, small arms don’t matter. But look at how the rag-band Taliban and lots of other small timers, have kept our massive federal government arsenal running and chasing it’s tail for a dozen or more years.

            Spare us.

          • Anonymous

            so how did the gun free zone work out for ya …. please stop being so simple minded

          • Bill Bob

            So they are going to Nuke themselves? lol

        • Anonymous

          OH please go actually read it —-word for word.. ” a well regulated militia being necessary to a free state …” The STATE’S right to defend itself….. “a militia”, as in, a STATE NATIONAL GUARD !!!

          • Anonymous

            Well, the Supreme Court of the United States has ruled otherwise, and recently. There IS an individual right to own. You’re just plain wrong.

          • Oh, sure, the Supreme Court never gets anything wrong (Bush v. Gore, Kelso v. New London, Citizens United, Dred Scott, etc).

          • Bill Bob

            Fail… The N.G did not exist until 1903, learn what a Militia is. Definition: The term militia, or irregular army, is used to refer to a military force composed of ordinary citizens. Heck a family can be a Militia.

          • Anonymous

            i called then domestic terrorist not patriots.

          • In original copies of the Constitution, the comma that causes confusion does not exist, clearly proving that the Amendment referred to actual militias. Documents were copied by hand, and a comma was mistakenly added. Even though the intent is clear, people still believe the Amendment applies to individual ownership, which is does not.

        • Anonymous

          Teachers, women, running into an abyss of unimagined hell; where children, mere babies are being slaughtered. Undaunted courage, unheralded courage, with only the sheer of cotton blouses and skirts to protect them are denigrated by those who would dare speak of protecting their 2nd Amendment right for guns.

          You would thump your chest and espouse how you would use your Glock, to unGlock the murderers Glock. Blathering cowards speak of such at these times. How dare all of you! You are all now so busy, with your rights to arm; just as ” the busy bee has no time for sorrow” in William Blakes Proverbs of Hell, ” sooner murder an infant in its cradle than nurse unacted desires ”

          I am afraid America has now slipped into the abyss and what we have found at the bottom were more guns.

          • Anonymous

            No, how dare YOU! Stop using these poor kids for your own, misguided agenda. Why don’t you ask England how well firearms bans have worked for them? They even strictly regulate knives now(including kitchen knives), yet their violent crime rate (against the largely unarmed law-abiding citizens) has gone through the roof! Other countries who prevent citizens from being armed also see ridiculous violent crime. If you are truly serious, then you need to seriously consider banning automobiles (which kill many more Americans than firearms). If one needs to go, so does the other. Along with many other things. Lets just become the world’s largest nanny-state.

          • Anonymous

            How dare THIS guy “use these children’ to vent his rage !!!THIS NEEDS TO STOP NOW,TODAY!!

          • U.K. violent crime death: 1.2 per 100,000
            U.S. violent crime death: 4.2 per 100,000

            Do you gunslingers ever even rely on facts to try and prove your point?

        • Phoebe, what a joke. “We needin’ our weapinz so’s we kin protecty ourselves agin the big bad gubmint!”

          The government with planes, bombs, tanks, helicopters, missiles. The government that could wipe out the ragtag “militias” from dozens of miles away, so quickly the militias wouldn’t even realize they were dead.

          Stop the lies about “protect ourselves.” Those are lies or the comments of psychotics.

      • Anonymous

        I’m not a ‘gun nut”. I do understand that taking my rights away will not prevent someone else perpetrating a crime. I can guarantee that had this man driven a dump truck repeatedly through a pizza parlor slaughtering 27 people, you would not be demanding that you lose your right to own a vehicle. If he had thrown a ‘kitchen sink’ bomb into a movie theater, you wouldn’t be demanding that you lose you right to purchase dish liquid. When will people learn that guns do not sneak out of a closet, load themselves, and perpetrate crimes? You’re not talking about gun control; most states DO have gun control. I’ve been told by several citizens of Connecticut that it is required that guns be registered by the owner. But denying you the right to own a gun for hunting or protection will not prevent such horrors as this. It’s a terrible thing that a person did this; however, the population of Connecticut is appx. 3,580,709….this means that 3,580,708 did NOT “blow through a school” killing all and himself. Learn the lesson: guns do not kill..people do.

        • Anonymous

          No one want to take your rights away ; they want to protect the rights of THESE children. Your rights end where their’s and everyone else’s begin. Use it, don’t abuse it or you will lose it Rights come with responsibilities.. It is time for people to show they are up to the task of using those rights responsibly and deserve to have those rights.

        • Roughly 100 people die in CT every year by gunfire.

          How many times does someone intentionally use a dump truck, or any other vehicle, to kill or try to kill people each year?

          Over 10,000 people are murdered by gun use each year, and more than 50,000 people are intentionally shot each year.

          Learn the lesson: Guns don’t kill people, but it’s awfully easy for people with GUNS to kill people.

      • Anonymous

        Ok what law woudl have stopped this. Let us look at the FACTS. The firearms where purchased by the shooters MOM legally CT has some of the tightest gun laws in the country already. Now what exactly happened. The shooter STOLE a firearm MURDERED his mother with it then proceeded to leave while STEALING three firearms then STOLE her car. He then drove the STOLEN can with the STOLEN firearms in it to a GUN FREE ZONE ( IE school ) then he used the STOLEN firearms to MURDER children and employees at the school.

        Given the above FACTS please tell me what new LAW would prevent this? Crimes are illegal to commit but once again CRIMINALS ignore the law and commit multiple crimes. You’re response to this is to make it harder for law abiding citizens to exercise there Constitutional rights? where is the logic in that?

        I and many people I know have more then one firearm. None of us have used them in a crime. We are law abiding citizens. The gov says you have to buy from a store not through the mail we comply. They say we have to fill out a 4473 to get a FBI before we buy we do that. Every new law over the years us citizens have ( though we disagree ) obeyed the laws. This is why we are NOT criminals.

        • If only the mother had owned some firearms to protect herself from the gunman! She could have saved her life, 20 children’s lives, and 6 faculty lives.

          Oh, I forgot, they were her guns. It was really nice of her to keep so many weapons in the home of a deranged person, and even teach that deranged person how to shoot. Nice work, ma!

          • Anonymous

            You can not blame the person who was robbed and killed by a criminal for what the criminal does with what he stole. If someone where to steal you’re car and run through a crowd of people with it would that be you’re fault??

      • Bill Bob

        He did not have an assault rifle (he had a semi-automatic sporting M4 carbine), and .223 ammunition is less powerful than many (common) hunting rounds. Shootings happen EVERYWHERE regardless of laws. Heck he broke 3 laws himself. 1: He stole the guns from his mom. 2: He was driving / carrying without a permit. 3: He was in a no gun zone with guns. Shootings with assault weapons happen every year in the UK. Also just as this shooting was happing: 22 children and an elderly woman were stabbed, outside a primary school, by a knifeman. Frankly I think they should allow teachers to keep guns in class and have better security. We also need to learn how to help mentally ill individuals.

        • LOL, the .223 ammo made for that rifle was made for a purpose: to bounce around and shred inside the human body. The M16 was made .223 for use in the Viet Nam war.

          Stop lying about everything.

          Also, the knife attack that injured 22 children in China killed ZERO people. But hey, let’s continue to compare knives and guns, because you can surely kill people as easily with a knife, right?

    • Anonymous

      if not now, when?? NOW is exactly the time!!! IF this isn’t the time to discuss violence in America ( verbal and otherwise ) when is??THIS needs to stop NOW TODAY, not tomorrow , not a year from now, BUT TODAY!! We are DONE being a public that has gone to someone else’s slaughter whether it be in a school , a mall, a theater, a work place.etc.

      THIS NEEDS to stop NOW. NOT tomorrow. Tomorrow is too late for these kids.The glorification of violence and violent talk and rhetoric needs to stop NOW. TODAY. The glorification of guns ( and the violence they create) needs to stop NOW TODAY— whether real ones or ones in a video game.

      .

      How dare this guy, or any other GUY dare go into a public place and blow other people’s lives to smithereens!!! How dare anyone defend HIS RIGHTS ( or anyone’s) over any one else’s ‘rights” like these kids ?

      I challenge the RIGHT and the NRA and R in congress to put these kids lives ahead of lobbyist, gun manufacturers and YES politicsI

      I challenge the right to actively look for solution to violence in AMERICA..( starting with themselves and the words they use)

      I challenge them to SUPPORT ANTI BULLYING legislation. even though they see it as a lefty liberal conspiracy. WE need FEWER people in our world who think BULLYING is a positive attribute. I challenge them to support and FUND ( OMG yes, with taxpayer $$”s) Safe and sound school , even though they see it as a grand socialist conspiracy . NO learning conflict resolution and problem solving skills to get along with others, isn’t a grand conspiracy to brain wash our youth. It’s called creating a CIVIL society. One that can TALK with each other .One where people can talk over and resolve conflict and FIND COMMON ground.

      I challenge the right to say NO MORE to ILLEGAL GUN SALES at so called “gun shows” to people who should not have them. And you all know it happens.

      i challenge the right to support PUBLIC schools , and to HONOR PUBLIC school teachers and staff who put their lives in harm’s way EVER DAY for the public’s children. Those teachers act like SUPER WOMAN everyday using her magic bracelets to deflect harm to the public’s children, everyday .. from their smallest harm to the biggest . ( yup there are alot of angry and disturbed people out there. Some of them are parents and students)

      Staff did what they were TRAINED to do ( they made those PLANS in those half days the public likes to complain about as a waste of taxpayers money) They did what they ( and their students) were PREPARED to do .Yup they had had regular safety drills …. to create safe and sound schools, and classrooms.

      OUR kids ( and the public) need to be MORE important then gun manufacturers. to those who SAY they serve US. THAT is “People before politics” Let’s see if they have the courage to really do it–put people before profits.

      • So lets end all abortion

      • Anonymous

        Wow, in all of your laundry list of violent things wrong with the US (and it’s a fairly good list I might add) you didn’t mention the biggest item, namely that this federal government outspends the next 14 countries combined on all things military, that we use robotic aircraft to bomb grass-roofed huts with untold numbers of innocent women in children inside, that over the past 12 years we have killed over 115,000 civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan. Do you think our violence in civilian life has any connection at all with our support and execution of rampant, militaristic violence worldwide?
        I most certainly do.
        Personally, after seeing all the civilian killing the Pentagon has managed over the past decade, I would say gun control should start in Washington.

        • Anonymous

          this article isn’t about abortion or drones or the budget .

    • Anonymous

      The jerks have already set the tone for gun laws in this country.
      This tragedy was committed using an arsenal, legally owned by a gun “enthusiast”. It protected neither her nor the children murdered with her “toys”.
      How do you support a murder victim? Pay for their burial?
      Where are the NRA? Hiding as usual after their soulless profit driven advocacy delivers the inevitable result.
      A nation awash in guns means that anyone who wants to use one can find it. “Legality” is a canard. When there are guns in virtually every locale in the nation, someone who wants one can pick it up, steal it, or whatever. As per usual, the nonsensical idea that the proliferation of guns will protect the innocent came to nothing. This fellow killed 26 people, and then the police showed up to pick up the victims.
      Nothing will stem gun violence except a reduction in the number of guns. But that would mean less money for the companies that bankroll the NRA. And this country runs on money. Nothing else matters. The rest is window dressing. If young children die, it’s “tsk, tsk, what a shame, let’s all engage in the healing process” and then back to business as usual.

      • Excellently stated. But no matter how logical, it will not sway the gun lovers. They can’t even be swayed by facts!

    • Anonymous

      Seems like a canard to say that.

      Tell us then, when is the appropriate time to talk about guns? How long do we have to wait between tragedies because it seems the windows between them aren’t that large…

    • Anonymous

      That is what always happens then time passes and we forget. NOW is the time so that we get legislation that will honor the loss of these beautiful people. The sooner the better. How can you fear knee-jerk reactions at a time like this in America’s history? We have to start somewhere, right now, today! “Guns don’t kill people, people kill people” and those people should not have easy access to guns. They SHOULD however have FREE access to mental health care!

    • Anonymous

      This link is a timeline of mass shooting since Columbine which happened in 1999. Let us not be too hasty

      http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/12/14/1337221/a-timeline-of-mass-shootings-in-the-us-since-columbine/?mobile=nc

    • Anonymous

      THE CONVENIENCE of your HOBBY ISN’T WORTH ANYBODY’S LIFE!

    • Redheaded, with “you” people, now is NEVER the time to talk about the insanity of the gun culture in America.

      Like The Onion says, maybe 1,000 dead kids in one massacre will be judged to be the right time?

  • I’ve
    been reading a lot of people saying tighter gun control laws! That’s
    what we need. You really think that’s going to work? There will always
    be someone out there willing to illegally sell a firearm. Obviously
    being attacked with gunfire unarmed doesn’t work. So let’s take away
    the right to bare arms to protect us from the monsters that create these
    firestorms. Good idea. But wait, that’s not really the problem is it?
    No one should be worried about the stupid gun control laws. They
    should be worried about this country’s lack of moral and ethical
    compass. I do believe it’s part media but the majority is part
    ENVIRONMENT. How many kids are going to wake up to violent Call of Duty
    type video games this Christmas??? How many parents teach their kids
    manners and to treat others with respect? How many parents lead by
    example, displaying their manners and treating others with respect? Not
    many, just go people watching at Walmart – prepare to be disappointed.
    How many of us have taken the time out of this busy holiday season to do
    something for a stranger? I’m not talking about dropping some coins in
    the Salvation Army pail, I’m talking going out of you way for someone
    elses enjoyment.

    Are we really surprised this is how the
    world is turning out when we have to worry about being politician
    correct over the dumbest things, fear the law will be called if we
    punish our kids “to severely”, let our young children plop down in front
    of violent video games for hours on end or sensationalize this nations
    monsters all over the media????? We the American people need to
    change….not the gun laws.

    • Guest

      Part of that change includes Gun Laws !

      You all sound the same, every tragedy you read from some script.
      And if you cannot recognize what the problems are how can you be intrusted to own a firearm !?

      These are not criminals committing these mass murders. All of them have come from good backgrounds. We have placed the glorification of violence in America even before God Almighty.

      Get serious, before you find yourselves mourning over a loved one.

      I will always defend the right to own and posses a fire arm, but I Will Not Defend blatant disregard for human suffering, You come on these boards with some phony sympathy and in the same sentence talk about your right.

      HOW DARE YOU ! Your rights, your rights end when they trample on anybody’s right. The right to live without fear of going to a movie, or school or shopping.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpNGeyEp5kM

      You helped create the atmosphere in this country, Gun Crazy Americans. What are you so afraid of ? That you need to posses 5, 10 25 guns, semi-automatics, machine guns, cannons, bazookas you name it, you people are dangerous. Not just because your well armed, but because of your mentality.

      Sensible gun laws will work, and save innocent lives.

      • Anonymous

        Gun laws are not going to help.

        In these large shootings there is always one thing in common – Mental Health.

        Laws need to change to make it easier for loved ones of adults with mental health issues to be able to legally have them involuntarily admitted for care.

        Then there needs to be a place for the person to receive that care.

        People always complain and point fingers at the family members and ask “why didn’t they do anything”

        The chances are they probably did -but got told there was nothing anyone could do unless someone breaks the law.

        • Anonymous

          The majority of posters here do not have any exposure to the trials a family encounters when one of their members is mentally ill.

          Especially when they reach 18 years old.

          You want to talk about helpless …

      • Anonymous

        They fear gun control. They fear a civil society. They fear having to “talk ‘ over ” conflict to find common ground .They fear having to “get along’ with others.They’d rather have a quick easy “second ammendment” solution ( annie get you gun!!!) to quickly silence those who disagree with them who are in the main stream.. They;’d rather reach for a gun or shoot their mouth off rather then problem solve and “talk things over “. to find common ground. They want a return to the wild west with NO rules.. Well we learned some people NEED rules to live in the main stream and to get along with others.

        • I do not fear a civil society. That is in fact what I want. How are you guys misconstruing this?!?!?!

          • Anonymous

            you said; ” You really think that’s going to work? There will always
            be someone out there willing to illegally sell a firearm.” and we can shut down so called “gun shows” to limit that.

            ” They should be worried about this country’s lack of moral and ethical compass.” I agree. It all starts in the heart which is why PUBLIC schools have anti- bullying programs and fund safe and sound schools—- so KIDS will learn EARLY GOOD problem solving and conflict resolution skill—- using their BRAINS and not their hands. And yet the right lambastes and mocks these programs and tries to defund them They call them socialist conspiracies . Why are they opposed to program that aids a more human being and a more civil society? It’s starts in preschool ” use your words” ( not your hands ) .. to solve a problem. YES it should be starting in the home…. but too often isn’t happening there.Too often it is “in the home” where violence IS breed and feed and fostered..

          • Anonymous

            Just try “problem solving and conflict resolution skills” or reasoning with one of these drug addicts when they are robbing you or invaded your home. Or with a rapist.

      • I’m sorry but you don’t make much sense to me. Because I stated that we need to be a less violent and more caring nation I outraged you??? Where did I say that those who commit horrific deeds should go unpunished because it’s not their fault??? This nation is falling to pieces and I can tell you it’s not because we don’t have stricter gun laws.

        And how do you know that I haven’t lost a loved one yet over a miserable tragedy? In fact I have. Maybe you need to calm down, slowly read these comments and then give your opinion a little more clearly.

        • Very sorry for your loss, Jacquie. And thank for your comments. They are exactly what this country as a whole needs.

        • Anonymous

          Sorry you are right I needlessly “piled” on. Ending violence starts in the heart and soul with loving hands as a guide to help develop an immovable strong moral code.. Too often people lack that . That is where we START to solve the problem BUT in the meantime , until we can recapture that moral code as an individual and as a nation ,gun control won’t hurt..

      • sensible gun laws, yes. The talk these days is banning all guns, doing away with the 2nd amendment. I know you’re not implying that is the answer.

        I have owned several guns in my life, as have most members of my family. My brother, a Sergeant First Class in the Army owns 5 or 6. He’s not a collector, he’s not really even an enthusiast. He has several he likes for different uses. Much like my father, and most of my uncles. They are all kept in a safe, unloaded, and with safety on. So, where’s the issue? You cannot punish the masses for the actions of a few. RESPONSIBLE gun ownership not only is a right, but a non-issue as far as tragedy is concerned.

        The issue is the few crazies who lie, cheat, and steal to do whatever senseless act of violence they care to do. No amount of legislation is going to change that. These people are hell-bent on doing what they want to do. Taking away the rights of the hundreds of thousands who use guns correctly is not the way to stop the hundred that use them for evil.

        As for your “fake sympathy” comment….. You have no idea how I, or anybody else feels about these issues. Its not just sympathy we feel for the victims, for a lot of us, there is empathy there also. As a mother, I can only imagine the horror that these families are facing in the wake of this tragedy. If there was a way to take that pain away, I’m sure 99% of people here would gladly do it, whatever the cost to themselves. Our view of what is needed to affect change does not diminish our feelings for the victims, their families, or loved ones. If anything, it intensifies it. Knowing that if more people would help make the changes necessary within their own homes and communities, and stop waiting for the government to come up with all the answers, so many of these people would still be with us today.

        • Anonymous

          “The talk these days is banning all guns,” Who is “talking” about that? Be specific. Name ANYONE saying that .

          Your imagination or your fear or the local black backgrounded website or Rush , Beck , Coultor, Hannity ?

          How about a ban on automatics and semi automantics ( to limit lethality and make mass murder harder to accomplish )? or a ban on gun shows or sales in Uncle Henry and henry look alikes (to keep sales legal and traceable and assure owners have been back ground checked and ARE only sold to the “law abiding”???

      • Anonymous

        uh they ARE criminals and became one the minute they turned their gun on others.

    • Anonymous

      Your right ……………. what is needed is not more useless laws, but rather attitude adjustments of many and re-learn how to have face to face conversations, not text, tweet, Facebook and what ever else they do but actual face to face interaction.

    • Anonymous

      Very well said, Jacquie.

    • Thank you Jackie. That is exactly the point. Legislation is not going to stop or prevent anything. Criminals don’t care about the law. What is needed is Society Reform. Stop sensationalizing violence. Start re-teaching empathy and tolerance. That is the key to making a change, not more laws nobody cares enough to follow.

  • Anonymous

    I have owned guns all my life and will not be punished for some psychopaths rampage! Be very careful before you gun control freaks start passing laws that make decent people who own guns criminals! When the Government and gun control activist can remove all guns from gang members, drug dealers, terrorist etc. and guaranty the safety of my family I will get rid of my guns! Not until!

    • Anonymous

      No one’s going to take your precious firearms away. It’s about laws to protect innocent victims from those too unstable to be trusted with these weapons. What’s wrong with background checks before being able to purchase a gun? What’s wrong with having to register? Why the hell does someone need to own a semi-automatic gun? You don’t need one to hunt or protect yourself. Why are gun owners so paranoid?

      • Isaac Chroner

        there are background checks…my first gun i bought a few years ago they called the FBI and did a check on me that i passed. the last time i tried to get a gun my address on my license only has my po box so icouldn’t buy one that day.

        • 3rd rail

          How about a psych test as well as a simple background check. You’ll note that kid try to buy one on his own and got turn away for some reason.

          That simple background check isn’t doing much. I’d lay odds if there was some ‘simple psych’ test as well the mother doesn’t get to buy any either.

          My question to you is what’s your need for a 27 round capacity firearm, you hunting Big Foot ?

          • Anonymous

            I have probably 25 30 rd Mags for my Ar-15’s, I dont go killing people..One thing for sure, someone comes in my house they are in for a huge surprise….

          • 3rd rail

            I know you don’t. Unfortunately some do. We have to figure out something. And you and me both, come into me castle unannounced you going out in a bag.

      • Anonymous

        whats wrong with banning so called “gun shows” where most ILLEGAL sales occur??

        • more illegal gun sales come from each issue of publications like uncle henry’s than from all gun shows combined each year. If you want a real conversation, at least get your facts straight.

          • Anonymous

            ok ban gun sales in uncle henry’s, too ..I’m game.

        • Anonymous

          If that’s truly what happens, I see no problem with banning them.

      • Anonymous

        I dunno…. Most Americans have had enough. Might be that a majority of us now DO want to take those “precious firearms” away. Addicts who’d sooner die than give up their gun toys might be the dudes who need the psychiatric help.

        • Anonymous

          Not MOST, only the few that hate guns….Laws need to be enforced….

      • I have to laugh about all these “you gun owners” and “brainwashing” comments. Are you people serious? And yes, sometimes you do need a gun to protect your family. Ever heard the saying “bringing a knife to a gunfight”….. guess who loses. If someone enters MY home with a gun intent on harming my family, damn right I’m gonna have a gun of my own to protect them with. What do you think, I’m gonna go charging at some gun-wielding psycho with a kitchen knife? Get real, and look at the big picture.

        • Anonymous

          I am not against gun ownership. I am against semi-automatic, assault rifle ownership by those who do not need them (such as police or military). I am pro-hunting and pro-self-defense. You don’t need a gun like this to do those two things. You don’t need a gun like this to target shoot! A lot of gun owners interpret ‘gun loss’ when they hear ‘gun control’, and that is paranoia.

          Another thought-as I mentioned to another poster, if someone is in your house and you are being a responsible gun owner and have your weapon and the ammo stored in different, separately-locked locations, and someone is in your house, will you really have time to get both of those items, load the weapon, and have it ready for use? You might be able do in your drills, but when you have a household of hysterical, fearful family members and you’re jacked up on adrenaline I bet you’d be surprised how hard it would be.

    • Anonymous

      That’s funny, I feel the same way about the baggie of marijuana in my fridge. I get up and go to work in the morning, pay my taxes, support local businesses, etc., and will not be punished for the actions of a few whackos on bath salts and the “war on drugs” that makes criminals of decent people. But I support reasonable legislation to keep drugs away from kids and pill-heads with guns away from pharmacies. When the government can keep every drunk driver off the road and prevent every alcohol-induced incident of domestic violence, I might quit smoking weed! Not until!

    • Anonymous

      Do you own a Bushmaster semi-automatic capable of firing 100 rounds, aimed and at close range? This is the type of weapon we don’t need. This isn’t a bolt-action hunting rifle.

      • Isaac Chroner

        i own a 27 round semi automatic .22, and actually had been looking at a 9mm recently

        • Anonymous

          This is the kind of thing that needs to be cleaned off our streets. Why live in a world with this kind of sickness in it? It all needs to be cleaned up, swept away. Every last gun — out of this country. Period. Gone.

          • Anonymous

            How are you going to accomplish that? Sounds good in some utopian theory, the actual logistics required to carry that out would result in a dystopian reality. There would have to be an enormous police presence permeating every part of our lives. Cameras on you every second, including in the privacy of your own home. Unannounced visits from law enforcement agencies. You’d have to do away w/some of the amendments of the COTUS. Throw out the 1st, 2nd, & 4th immediately. This is an unimaginable horrific tragedy. I really don’t have words to express what I am feeling picturing these incredibly INNOCENT children being taken. Horrible. Yours is not a solution to this terrible, terrible thing.

          • Anonymous

            Outlawing guns IS the solution. The scenario you paint is overblown. People who don’t turn in their guns will eventually get caught. Yes, some might be killed by those who keep their guns illegally. But the number killed will be hundreds of thousands fewer than are killed now.

          • Anonymous
          • 3rd rail

            Good thing they weren’t killed eh..

          • Anonymous

            true unlike the 2010 stabbing that killed nearly 20 and wounded more than 50 or another in 2010 when a doctor killed eight children with a knife.

          • 3rd rail

            That kid killed 26 in under 5 minutes. Each had multiple wounds, which means he could have killed over 100 in less time then it takes you to go to the bathroom.

          • Anonymous

            I’m sure the parents of these Chinese kids would agree with you. I suspect they’re going nuts thanking whoever they pray to that their children’s lives were spared. I suspect any one of the parents of the murdered Sandy Hook kids would give the fingers off both hands to trade places with these Chinese parents.

          • Anonymous

            And none of them died.

          • Anonymous

            injured and NOT killed. See the difference? They get to live another day in their parents loving arms.

          • 22 stabbed, zero dead.
            26 shot, 26 dead.

            Keep making those knife/gun equivalencies, gun owners.

          • Anonymous

            In 2010 a stabbing killed almost 20 children and wounded nearly 50.

            Oh and by the way hot shot – I don’t own guns.
            Guns are not and have never been my thing.
            Just because I don’t believe in them for my household doesn’t mean everyone else must be gun free.

          • Anonymous

            Your emotion has overpowered whatever logical/critical
            thinking, cognitive reasoning ability you might possess. You refute your own “argument” w/this post. I suggest that you re-read your
            words & realize the same. You’re making an illogical argument then refuting that which you advocate. You want to take all the guns? Fine.
            Take them. Just explain how that is going to actually work. Look again @ your response to me, as in :” Yes, some might be killed by those who keep their guns illegally.” Do you not see the absolute incredible naiveté to say the least, _______ to say the most.?

            This was a horrible stinking event. I can’t come to grips w/it right now.

          • Anonymous

            Yes, it’s hard for all of us to come to grips with this, I think.

            But it’s a fact: if we outlaw guns, fewer will be killed than are being killed now.

            Or do you disagree?

          • Anonymous

            We need to outlaw people like you..LOL

        • Anonymous

          Why?

          My feeling is that in situations like this mental health issues are the issue, and every time another mental health care program or facility ends or closes I wonder what tragedy will occur as a result.

          I have no problem with people owning guns, but why the semi-automatic and other guns that seem more suited for massacre than for hunting and/or protection of life and property? I’m not judging. I’m honestly trying to understand.

          While I have no problem with people owning guns, I think if I was in Newtown, CT right now I would have a problem with anyone owning guns. My heart and prayers go out to them and, while it’s easy to get sidetracked into these discussions, the victims and their families are the biggest concern. I am uncomfortable with knee-jerk responses and using the immediate and intense pain and anguish of victims to further an agenda that, if it’s a good one, should stand on its own.

          • Anonymous

            You’re trying to understand why people own semi-automatics? It’s really very simple: Gun manufacturers love the income these little beauties rake in.

          • Anonymous

            Thanks, but I’d like to hear from someone who owns them. You have too many answers and have already chosen a “side” in the gun debate. I can think for myself, and I will, but I am looking for information to work with, not concrete opinions (all mixed up and permanently set).

          • Anonymous

            I’m certain that owning a gun gives anyone any and all the info they need to understand the “gun debate.”

            Not.

          • Anonymous

            I don’t own a gun. I don’t begrudge those who do. I’m just trying not to make assumptions. It makes me look like you. What’s wrong with trying to get information before making a stand? (That’s rhetorical. No need to answer.)

          • Anonymous

            You don’t “begrudge” people who carry devices that can blow your hands and feet off and leave gaping, bloody holes in your chest large enough for me to stick my hand into?

            If so, you’re not thinking straight.

            Like many others, you have been thoroughly brainwashed by the National Rifle Association. There is no need for anyone to own such devices. I defy you to give me a logical reason why anyone should.

          • 3rd rail

            Cause where a Democracy that says we can , does that work ? We’d have to rewrite the Constitution, which at that point you might as well just start a new country.

          • Anonymous

            the Constitution says we have a right to bear arms to protect ourselves from the government. to do that today we’d have to outfit every family with a nuclear device. Because that’s what the government, if it wanted to, could use against us.

            and frankly, I trust the government a heck of a lot more than I do many families I know.

          • 3rd rail

            I’m not sure I understand your point.

          • Your statement “I trust the government a heck of a lot more than I do many families I know” is exactly what the problem is. Everyone is looking to the government to solve these issues. CHANGE STARTS AT HOME. Start showing sympathy and respect to those around you, stop promoting violence. Guns in themselves are not a problem, its how a select few choose to use them. People need to start taking more individual responsibility and start creating change. Let the government build the legislation around the changes we are already making to have a better society, instead of having the government set the tone, and hoping that people will follow.

          • Anonymous

            I agree: we need to start showing sympathy and respect for one another, and stop promoting violence.

            But we also need to get rid of guns. Adam Lanza’s mother, I’m sure, called herself a “responsible gun owner.” What a laugh.

          • Anonymous

            Actually, the Constitution doesn’t say anything like that. The second amendment links gun ownership to a “well-regulated militia.” Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution gives congress the power to call out the militia in cases of insurrection. Citizens bearing arms against the government would be an insurrection, and that would make the Constitution a contradiction.

            The framers of our government felt that a democratic republic could resolve issues through a peaceful, democratic process rather than through armed insurrection as they had just used against the king of England.

          • Anonymous

            You’re getting a little carried away with re-writing my words to suit your argument. I repeat…I don’t begrudge people who own a gun. I also don’t judge them as terrible people just because they own a gun. The main issue, as I see it, is the mental health of people who have guns in their hands. I’m not sure that is something we can control by making all guns illegal. There are legitimate reasons for owning a gun. I don’t know much about the NRA, so their chances of “brainwashing” me are non-existent. They obviously approve rifle ownership, at the very least. They, like you, may be a little one-sided for my interest. Leaning too far to one side or the other is my idea of not thinking straight, but maybe I need to include your perspective as well as the NRA’s if I want to come up with an opinion that I think is balanced. Thank you for sharing your thoughts and opinions.

          • Anonymous

            Coming to a “balance” between two sides when one side is, say, arsenic poisoning, only means you die a slower death. Sometimes one side is just … dead … wrong.

          • Why would I begrudge someone’s right to own something like that, as long as they are using it RESPONSIBLY….. the issue is not about having a gun or not having a gun…. it is about our society re-learning love and tolerance. taking away a responsible person’s rights do not prevent the crazies from accomplishing their messed up goals.

          • Anonymous

            You have no need to own a gun. Even if you don’t use your gun to mow down 26 people, how do i know someone else won’t use it to do the same?

          • Anonymous

            I own one and have enjoyed the “thrill” of shooting it at an inanimate object.

            I don’t FEAR gun control ( or anyone coming after my gun) because I am a law abiding citizen. I have a “side ” I support reasonable and responsible “gun control ”

            I tore up my NRA membership card a LONG time ago ( decades ago) when gun rights became more important to them then gun safety.. Not all gun owners are ‘alike” . Not all gun owner are NRA members The NRA doesn’t represent ME. I think they give responsible gun owners a VERY BAD name.. Not all gun owner oppose gun control.

          • Anonymous

            Do you know what a semi automatic is?

          • Anonymous

            Sassy, all the other rhetoric aside from both sides. I’m a gun owner, a non NRA member and yes I have semi autos. You asked a very valid question as to wondering why so I’m going to give you my best attempt at an answer. For my household I’ve always felt as though a shotgun is best because if someone comes in it’s the easiest to operate and it’s likely that if someone is there to do me harm I have the chance to get them into a choke point such as a hallway where a shotgun is going to give me the likely hood of ending the situation without harm to myself or my family.

            The above said, I also keep a semi auto pistol next to the bed and carry one when I go out (I have a CWP so yes it’s legal). The reason I prefer a semi over revolver is because I have more rounds available to me, 13 rather than 6. I know people that prefer a revolver because they feel they’re more reliable due to less moving parts and I can understand their feeling as well. For me it’s about what I’m comfortable operating, shooting, and what I’ve trained with.

            A second reason I like a semi is because I want to have what’s equal too, if not better than what I may face in a potential adversary. I realize in this case the shooter had a semi auto rifle as well as pistols but we’re also seeing that when faced with some sort of resistance these people are offing themselves. With what I carry I have supreme confidence that it will fire if I need it to and maintain it to do so if God forbid the situation ever arises that I need it. I’m not saying everyone should have a firearms, only those that are comfortable keeping one in the house and willing to understand the responsibility that comes with such ownership (and obviously not those that are mentally unstable, felons, ect). I feel the same way about those who own a variety of things though.

            Lastly, and I don’t know if you may question this or not, but I carry a gun because it’s my mentality to be a protector. Lt. Colonial David Grossman’s quote in his book ‘On Combat’ I believe states the mentality best: “Here is how the sheep and the sheepdog think differently. The sheep pretend the wolf will never come, but the sheepdog lives for that day. After the attacks on September 11, 2001, most of the sheep, that is, most citizens in America said, “Thank God I wasn’t on one of those planes.” The sheepdogs, the warriors, said, “Dear God, I wish I could have been on one of those planes. Maybe I could have made a difference.” When you are truly transformed into a warrior and have truly invested yourself into warriorhood, you want to be there. You want to be able to make a difference.”

          • 3rd rail

            That was best thing I’ve read on this thread today after reading miss sassy’s comments.

            Simply splendid ! And even I learn something, and it was great how you gave the various reasoning’s.

          • Anonymous

            Thank you…for your thoughtful and helpful response and for being a protector.

          • Anonymous

            Well here’s a question for you. I figure you know this, but according to the Nat’l Shooting Sports Foundation and the NRA, guns and ammunition should be kept locked separately, preferrable in a hidden location, not under a bed or in a closet. I see in a previous post of yours that you’re engaged. If you decide to have children (if you don’t already), will you start doing this? Can you be 100% assured that your child, waking in the middle of the night and coming to you, will not come in contact with that loaded semi-automatic gun you keep at your bedside? Would you be considered a responsible gun owner in this case? Because I would think the assurance of your family’s safety once a child is involved would be an even greater need. If stored apart like the aforementioned organizations suggest, will you truly have time to unlock the gun and the ammo from their separate locations and have time to load it in time to use it if someone’s in your home aready?

          • Anonymous

            That’s a valid question. I, do in-fact, keep my firearms and ammunition separate except for the one next to the bed. The one next to the bed is in a place where I’d be awoken by either our 80lb Shepard or by feel because it’s located in a place where I’d basically have to be laid upon to get to and I’m not a heavy sleeper by any stretch of the imagination. My 10 year old step-son is also become very versed in firearms as I’m passing on what I learned as a young man. And even if I didn’t choose to proceed this way and indeed wanted to lock it in a safe close to the bed, they have safes now that unlock with finger print technology in the matter of a second. The shotgun is locked up securely but in a place where his mother and I could access it quickly if need be. As I reference before, we have a dog as a security measure as well (better than an alarm system in my opinion but that’s neither here nor there)

        • Anonymous

          so do I, BUT I’m not afraid of any one( especailly GOV) taking it away from me. .Heck if they made a good case .I’d give it to them. 20 dead kids looks like a “good case” to me .

        • Anonymous

          yup and your post, intended to be “in your face” and provocative ; is why we need some gun control . PS I own multi round semi automatcic too and have enjoyed the thrill of shooting it at a INANINMATE target . BUT I would easily give it up ..and don’t fear “gun control” .

          • I dont FEAR gun control either, i just think its pointless. We have gun control laws. Its not stopping anything. We need Society reform, not gun reform.

      • Anonymous

        Right. But you gun people have gone so far over the edge that the rest of us are now out for blood. You’ve blown it. You have been totally and stupidly irresponsible. I don’t want to rest until every single thing that can fire a bullet is wrenched out of the hands of every last one of you gun addicts.

        • Anonymous

          Agreed. The NRA had brainwashed gun owners to the point that reasonable gun laws are DOA.

        • The only thing I have ever fired a gun at is a target at a shooting range. How have I committed any offense that would justify taking away my CONSTITUTIONAL right to bear arms? If you don’t like the constitution, feel free to leave America. The rest of us law-abiding citizens will rejoice in our right to be a responsible adult without having to answer to fanatics.

          • Anonymous

            So you’re a “law-abiding citizen”? So what? So was Adam Lanza’s mother, the owner of the arsenal he used to mow down 26 people on Friday.

      • Anonymous

        The one’s shouting t loudest proabaly make them though.We make Bush masters here in Maine . They are well organized to save their jobs.

      • Anonymous

        I have 3 of them, but I don’t go killing people…..You have no clue about guns.

        • Anonymous

          Adam Lanza never killed anyone either — until Friday.

          • Guest

            I have quite a few and absolutely none of them will be pointed at or used against another person unless it falls under the Castle Law.

          • Anonymous

            If you love guns so much, why not move to Iraq or Afghanistan? They’d love you over there. Maybe that’s where you and other gun addicts belong.

          • Anonymous

            You havent a clue, this is America, MOST people who own guns are responsible.. I sit on my front porch and target shoot, not hurting a soul..

          • Anonymous

            Get a bow and arrow, dude. If you think you need a gun to have fun, you need to rethink your life.

          • Anonymous

            Since you seem hell bent on showing how uneducated you are on topics ranging from firearms to history, the largest single school murder in the US actually took place in 1927 when a man set off 3 bombs inside a school. 45, 38 of them children, died and 58 were injured and firearms had no involvement. Don’t believe me? Look up The Bath School Disaster. Evil people do evil things and we need to start looking at our society and what we’re doing as a whole to create an environment that seems to foster these incidents.

          • Anonymous

            BWA, HA, HA, HA, HARDY HAR HAR!!! Did I say getting rid of guns would get rid of all violence?

            And you’re too late with the “let’s look at our society to see what’s wrong.” You had your chance. What have you ever done to “look at our society to see what’s wrong” with it?

            One of many things wrong with it is this: we let people own guns.

          • Anonymous

            Actually I’ve been advocating for about 5 years that we need to begin paying attention to what we’re doing to our kids. We allow them to play violent video games that were originally created as a training tool for soldiers and law enforcement. We use television as a babysitter for our kids so they watch never ending violence and immoral behavior for hours on end and then to top it off we don’t sit them down and have real discussion about what’s acceptable. I’ve advocated among people to enforce the laws we already have on the books regarding firearms. You want an example of what’s wrong? 3 guns stolen in Bar Harbor and $750 bail. There is no deterrent to bad behavior. That’s what I’ve done. What the hell have you done other than spew ignorance?

          • Anonymous

            Me? I’ve published a book on war and violence and what to do about it.

            No punishment for stolen guns? Then let’s get rid of the guns. All of them. I’m tired of pussyfooting around about this.

          • Anonymous

            Well if you’d care to reference your book I’ll be happy to read it. I’d certainly be interested to compare it to Lt. Dave Grossman’s books ‘On Killing’ and ‘On Combat.”

          • Anonymous

            And I’ve noticed that in the past couple of hours you’ve continued to respond to other comments but I have yet to receive the name of your book. I’m open to another opinion and you’re telling me that you’ve written a book on the matter. If you’re so convinced why not let me know which one it is so I can read it for myself. I spend much time reading and studying various topics including but not limited to gun control. If you believe you have a valid argument that’s not based totally on emotion I’m honestly interested in reading it if you’re not nervous about having someone read your book who can seperate emotion from actual fact.

          • So it’s fine for kids to be around and learn how to shoot guns, but not watch certain TV or videogames? Wow. I suppose it would be better for them to actually have sex than to sneak a peek at a Playboy, too, right?

          • Anonymous

            Read the work, information, and evidence presented by Lt. Col. Dave Grossman and then get back to me. He has two books or you can go to his website at killology.com. I have evidence to back up the things I’m saying while you on the other hand are simply running on emotion.

          • Give up the false equivalency. Bombs do not equal guns. The is no National Bomb Association, trying to influence lawmakers to have no restrictions on what size bombs people should be allowed to own.
            What next, you mention the atomic bombs the US dropped in a comparison to gun violence? If you had actual facts, you would use them. But since you don’t, you have to go with a logical fallacy.

          • Anonymous

            I never said that bombs equal guns. The point I was making is that A. People have been killing each other for thousands of years, and B. If someone is hell bent on destruction they’re going to find a way. You talk about me not using any facts and yet every post by you is nothing but an emotional response and has no data whatsoever to back up the points you’re attempting to make.

          • Anonymous

            Jes999, ever try to take down a coyote killing your domestic animals with a bow and arrow? Try it sometime.

          • Anonymous

            So you’re telling me that you, a human being, master of and over all animals, can think of one way and one way only to outsmart a coyote?

          • Barb, ever think that a responsible NRA would realize you don’t need a semi-automatic rifle that can fire as many bullets as you can possibly pull the trigger to down that coyote? Or that you would never use a pistol to shoot that coyote?

            But that’s not what the NRA is about. That is not what you gun people are about. There is little common sense on the side of gun lovers.

          • Guest

            I hope you realize what you said to me makes no sense. I’m an American citizen, I don’t need to move. I’m loved right here.

            You are coming unglued. I’ve read your meltdown, you need a break, a cup of chamomile tea or something to calm you down.

          • Anonymous

            I’m serious. If you love guns, why not go be where other people love guns? Most Americans do not love guns, nor do they love gun users or owners. We’ve all heard too many stories about how “responsible” gun owners have guns that end up killing innocent people. Ever heard of Sandy Hook School?

          • Guest

            I am not in love with guns. I have them that’s it. I don’t caress them, I shoot squirrels and varmints and an occasional deer. etc… You are the unhinged person here.
            Just look at the comments and how hysterical your comments are.

          • Why don’t you?

          • Anonymous

            Because I don’t love guns and violence.

          • Anonymous

            What the hell is wrong with owning guns? You drive a car and cars have killed more people in this country than guns. Do you think a gun is going to walk into your house and kill you? You probably do.

          • Anonymous

            What’s wrong with owning guns? You use them to kill people, or you let others use them to kill people. I think a majority of Americans are sick and tired of it.

            The purpose of cars is not to kill. The purpose of guns is to kill.

          • Anonymous

            The purpose of guns is to put a hole in something. Just like a car hitting another car or person. They are severely damaged or killed. Lots of people shoot guns solely to put holes in targets, not humans. It’s fun. I don’t let others use my guns to kill people. I certainly doubt Lanza’s mother let her son use the guns to kill her and others. Guns are stolen just like cars. You think the world will be Disneyland without guns and everybody will be happy and carefree. No one will be killed and we’ll all just live happily ever after. You can thank a gun for killing the ahole even if he did it himself. Sure, we’re not happy this is happening. It gives a bad name to responsible gun owners. You probably know lots of people who own guns. What, you don’t associate with them?
            Subject: [bdn] Re: Children in Connecticut rampage, all 6 and 7, shot repeatedly

          • Anonymous

            Uhh there isn’t any gun culture in either of those countries. You are coming off very foolish.

          • Anonymous

            Did I say there was? No. It’s kind of you who’s looking foolish, isn’t it?

          • Anonymous

            “If you love guns so much, why not move to Iraq or Afghanistan? They’d love you over there. Maybe that’s where you and other gun addicts belong”

            That implies that there is some sort of gun culture / gun addicts in those countries. The fact is that people in those countries need firearms to protect them from criminals and terrorists and they need and use these things in their own defense all the time.

            To get an educated opinion of firearms you need to know the history of guns, gun control, and crime statistics.

          • Anonymous

            Jess999, if you dislike our right to arm ourselves so much, why not move to England or Australia where no private citizen is allowed to own a gun? They’d love you over the. Maybe that’s where you and other people looking for laws to make you safer instead of promoting responsibility belong. See how that works bother ways?

          • Anonymous

            I might enjoy living in the UK or Australia. Unfortunately, they don’t take Americans. We’re too violent for them. Thanks to you “Responsible Gun Owners.”

          • Anonymous

            He was also a sick puppy…..Menace to society..

          • Anonymous

            And how do we know you’re not?

          • Anonymous

            Because Im not……..How do I know your not, you seem a little edgy on the issue, that is the people to watch out for…Just sayin.

          • Anonymous

            sorry, Stevey, we don’t know that you’re not looney tunes. And you don’t know if I’m not. So the answer is: take away all our little gun toys.

          • Jes, seriously, you are delusional if you think the AVERAGE gun owner is a threat. There are more guns in the hands of responsible, safe people at any given time in this country than you can imagine. If guns were the problem, we would be having tons more tragedies. Guns don’t kill people, people kill people. We need to work on fixing our society, not on banning guns from law abiding citizens.

          • PabMainer

            Well said….

          • Anonymous

            VERY well said . . .

          • Anonymous

            How do I know you’re not one step away from shooting up the Maine Mall, Evony? How do you know I’m not? You gun people waited too long to “fix society,” and to plead, “don’t take my gun, I’m sane.” You blew it. I want guns removed from every person in this society — tomorrow — and I’m not alone in feeling this way.

          • LittleMama, do you have any clue as to how many people are intentionally shot and wounded or killed by guns every day in America? I don’t think you do.

          • Anonymous

            Jes ,not sure of your sanity.
            I wont question that, though I may draw my own conclusions.
            But you seem a bit immature in your remarks.
            No crime in that regard.

            Free country, ramble all you want.

            … I do.

          • Anonymous

            And he also didn’t own a gun.

          • Anonymous

            Riiiight. The person who owned the gun he used was the — ta da!!! “Repsonsible Gun Owner.”

        • Anonymous

          I’m glad that you don’t. Presumably you are a responsible gun-owner as most people are. But here is a clue I picked up. Nancy Lanza owned a Bushmaster, a Gloch, and a Sig Sauer that ended up at Sandy Hook Elementary School. And today we have parents grieving over lost children when they should be shopping for Christmas presents.

          Even gun enthusiasts can’t shrug this off with the simplistic, “Guns don’t kill people. People kill people.” At least they shouldn’t. Attend some event where a bunch of six- and seven-year-olds are enjoying a Christmas program or a school event. Look at their faces and think about the children of Newtown being shot by a deranged individual with a Bushmaster semi-automatic rifle firing 100 rounds. That should be enough to make anyone question how Americans view practically unlimited gun ownership.

          • Anonymous

            This does not change the fact that one apparently challenged person out of a population of appx 3,580,709 perpetrated a crime and 3,580,708 didn’t, What happened was a horrible thing; I don’t even want to try to imagine the pain those parents are enduring. But neither your nor I should be have our rights taken away based on the actions of one person.

          • Anonymous

            I very recently attended an event where about thirty six and seven year-olds received awards, and I thought about those children in Connecticut who, instead of smiling and laughing at their accomplishments, are now going to have funerals. What would you be willing to give up to ensure that six and seven year-olds have a chance to laugh, smile, and give each other high-fives as opposed to being carried in a coffin? Would you give up your “right” to own weapons capable of shooting hundreds of bullets in just a few moments?

          • Anonymous

            Maybe not the right to own a gun, just a semi-automatic type. Just because one “wants to own one” isn’t good enough. Tough cookies.

          • Give it up, Barb. There have been HUNDREDS of shooting deaths in America since the Massacre of the Innocents in Newtown.

            Don’t act like gun violence isn’t a problem. These mass shootings aren’t the ONLY shootings, they are just the ones we hear about.

      • Anonymous

        Do you know anything about firearms? I am guessing: No. Can you tell me why is it more deadly that any other rifle?

        • Anonymous

          I’m not a gun enthusiast, but I have used a 12-guage pump, a 12-guage double barrel, a 30-06 lever action, a 20-guage bolt action, a 22 bolt action, and an M-16 automatic. (The M-16 was owned by my then employer, the US Army.) The weapons used by Adam Lanza fire far more rounds, far more quickly than hunting weapons. That’s what makes them more deadly.

          • Anonymous

            Funny because my AR-15s and AR-10 are all hunting weapons.

          • Anonymous

            You can go fishing with dynamite but that doesn’t make dynamite a fishing rod.

          • Anonymous

            So what makes these rifles different than any other hunting rifle in the same caliber?

          • Anonymous

            and it doesn’t make him a fisher man or a hunter.

          • Anonymous

            afraid bambi might outsmart you??

          • Anonymous

            I am not sure what this means. A gun is a gun is a gun. It doesn’t matter if it is aluminum and steel or wood and steel, bolt action, or semi automatic. My rifles conform to the state laws for ammo load out (5+1) and they are in reliable and/or standard hunting calibers.

            Please tell me how my legitimate hunting rifle is something other than that.

          • You don’t need them for hunting, nor for any other purpose.

    • Jollyroger

      Moosepoops…I’d be careful calling people ‘freaks.’ Look in the mirror, kettle meet pot. It’s coming, and you’ll be the one called a freak.

    • Anonymous

      Give us all a big, fat break. You don’t need guns to “protect your family.” If people with guns are coming after you and your family, maybe you and your family need to learn how to be nicer to others. Quit swaggering around town *acting* like you have guns and can blow anyone to pieces who looks at you sideways.

      • Anonymous

        right on jessie ..The problem starts even before we get to “gun control… ….simply being nicer people to each other. We have become a “rude” society …where we think we have permission to shoot our mouths off at each other. i blame talk radio and it’s provocative hosts. with words intended to PROVOKE disunity instead of unity.. When rush and beck and coulter and hannity become NICER people , society will change . Until then take away the guns!!.

        • Guest

          Speak for yourself and not for any of us who are responsible gun owners.

          • Anonymous

            I totally agree….OMG these people….Crawl out from under a rock???

          • Anonymous

            uh responsible gun owner, here . Apparently not all gun owners think alike .

          • Guest

            Yeah. You have lived up to your screen name also.

      • Anonymous

        Ma’am

        You seem awfully overwrought, and it’s understandable due to the horrific tragedy that has occurred. But to think that you don’t need some way to protect your family is awfully nieve, If you read this paper regularly you have surely seen a rise in drug violence and robbery in rural Maine. As the economy worsens, this trend will surely increase. I don’t plan on letting my family be victims of this, and I hope you don’t either.

    • Anonymous

      IF you are a responsible gun owner you don’t have to worry about “gun control freaks”. So do you work for bush master? Are you afraid for your job??

      • Anonymous

        I have owned guns most of my life, nothing high powered or assault type, am retired and own land in a slightly remote area. I enjoy my right to own and shoot my guns occasionally, hunting, staying proficient and having the knowledge I can protect my wife and myself in a time of crisis if need be, God forbid!

    • Anonymous

      You’ll get rid of your guns when The People say you will, big guy.

      • Anonymous

        No he wont, just like me….Go to Canada if you dont like guns.

        • Anonymous

          Your choice, Stevey. If the law changes, you get to choose: give up your gun, or live in the clink.

        • Tedlick Badkey

          Agreed.

      • Tedlick Badkey

        When will you force knives out of people’s kitchens?

        • Anonymous

          Very tired argument, Tedlick.

          • Tedlick Badkey

            Why? Because you say so?

            Look at China and tell me they do no harm.

            Do you want to stop that too, or does it not matter because it’s knives in China?

          • Anonymous

            go find the article and read it .. NO kids killed; just injured … the difference between a knife and guns (and semi and automatics) is their lethality. This guy went shooting for fish in a barrel . they didn’t have a fighting chance. He was a coward!!

          • Anonymous

            You should really learn more about the lethality of knives. Your chance of survival from a knife wound to the torso is not good. I’d rather be shot with that 223. Now, a hunting round is entirely a different matter. Torso shot with almost any hollow point hunting round will be lethal to a human.

          • Tedlick Badkey

            Then blame him.

            Blame his mother for not securing her guns.

            Do not blame inanimate objects.

      • Anonymous

        I don’t think so boy! I say boy because your comment assures me your not intelligent enough to be mistaken for a man yet! I only posted my comment after reading about the need for more gun control laws and be assured that these laws only affect the “decent, non criminal gun owners” and do nothing about preventing these horrific crimes!

  • Anonymous

    I certainly don’t give s sweet turd, if someone who wanted an ASSAULT type weapon, can’t get one, or if gun owners have to jump through more hoops to own weapons, with new, legislation, IF just ONE person’s life is saved, going forward…………………..

    • Anonymous

      Almost as many US soldiers were killed in Vietnam, as were killed with illegal weapons in the US now…..1 person gets caught with a shoe bomb, no deaths, and now EVER PERSON FLYING in US has to remove shoes now…….28 victims of another assault weapons rampage……….and we can’t do anything?

      • Anonymous

        We CAN do something. We can take away everyone’s guns. Very simple, very effective.

        • Guest

          Keep your hands off my guns. Speak for yourself and for your own fears in life.
          You are railing on and screaming for guns to be taken from all. I resent that. I have guns some were handed down to me and are valuable. Others are ones I have bought legally and without a problem. All are locked in a fire proof safe with only two people who know the combination.

          I am not the only person who is a responsible gun owner. There are many of ‘us’ out here who would never point a gun at a person never mind take a life.

          • Anonymous

            If The People decide to take your guns, so be it. Take your pick, dude: your guns, or prison. Up to you.

          • Guest

            Dude your having a meltdown all over the place here.
            I’m not worried about anyone coming to take my guns. I’m not a survivalist and I don’t believe the economy is going to collapse followed by the sky falling.

            Your the paranoid one not me and I don’t own an assault rifle, don’t like them don’t have the need for one. Not all gun owners have assault type guns.

          • Guest

            Check out his tag team partner the Foolish woman. They post every day in tag teams. There are about 4 to 6 of them.

            All on public assistance, smoking dope and bleeding the system dry. Not a damn thing to contribute to anything except flawed arguments.

          • Guest

            He’s foolish as well as the other but I won’t assume they are on welfare as that’s a rotten accusation that has been made ad nauseam around here.

          • Anonymous

            I don’t care what kind of gun you own, you don’t need to own it. Guns exist for killing, nothing more. No one needs to own one. if you think you’re going to shoot down the American Government with your gun “when they come after you,” you’re the one who’s unhinged, not me.

          • Guest

            I don’t care what you think either. I bought them legally and the law is on my side as far as me having them.
            I’m not at war with the government but you seem to be and I’m not worried about the economy collapsing and people coming to take what I don’t have. That’s a wealthy persons fear, I’m an ordinary citizen who likes to hunt.

  • Anonymous

    Meet the Mass Murderers.

    The following sniveling cowards refuse to stand before the nation
    and address us about the 20 six- and seven-year-olds mass murdered by their semi-automatic rifle:

    National Rifle Association president, David Keene

    National Rifle Association vice president, Wayne LaPierre.

    National Rifle Association executive director, Chris W. Cox.

    Executive director of NRA General Operations, Kayne Robinson.

    • Anonymous

      Frankly I am glad they are being SILENT .it’s about time they kept their mouths shut. Just you wait when they FINALLY decide what their ” political strategy” will be, we will “hear” form them. They are planning and getting all their ducks in a row, ( bullying congress) .Hopefully Congress people are telling them to stay silent and put as muzzle on it . We’ll see soon enough….

      • Anonymous

        When you look at pictures of these sleazy guys, you realize that it IS only sleaze that is keeping people in this country all in a panic about their precious guns.

        I wanted to post their pics, but I guess the BDN doesn’t have that capability for posters.

    • Tedlick Badkey

      Because they had nothing to do with it.

      Do you feel that the Heinkel company should stand and talk to China bout the lunatics that slash kids, something that has happened more than once?

      Really?

      • Anonymous

        I think you need to do some background reading on the NRA, Tedlick. The NRA is paid by schmucks who rake in millions selling guns. So the NRA has worked hard to con millions into thinking they have to have guns.

        • Tedlick Badkey

          Nonsense… they’re business men doing nothing different than other business people.

          • Anonymous

            Wrong. They control probably the most powerful lobby in the country. Do you know what a lobby is and does?

          • Tedlick Badkey

            I know perfectly well.

            I will always stand on the principal of personal liberty, and therefore, personal responsibility.
            You are antithesis to that.

            Is there a risk? Is there a risk? Sure… one I’m willing to take.

          • Anonymous

            Personal liberty? To do what? Own a nuclear explosive? Own chemical weaponry?

            Society always has to decide what personal liberties to give its citizens. In a democracy, the majority decides. If the majority decides you can’t own guns, then you won’t be able to own guns.

          • Tedlick Badkey

            We are a republic, not a democracy.

            And our republic protects the right to own guns.

            That simple.

  • Anonymous

    Some people are asking ‘where was god?’ when the shootings were happening. Schools banned God from the schools,remember? even mentioning the word god is not allowed in public schools.

    • Anonymous

      God? You mean the dude who goes around countries killing all first-born kids because he’s angry? He’s the reason we have violence in this country in the first place. He’s the American male’s greatest role model, Jehovah the bloody War God, killer of kids. I’ll bet you my bank account that Adam Lanza went to church every Sunday.

    • Anonymous

      You want prayer in our public schools? Can the Muslim kids bring a prayer rug?

    • Anonymous

      God was made man ( or in this case woman) in the many staff people who protected the 400 other kids that day .

      PS What prevent families from saying prayers at HOME (where they belong) before the school day begins ?? Not a darned thing.

    • Tedlick Badkey

      Are you saying your god couldn’t stop this, or that he’s a selfish monster?

  • Anonymous

    It is pleasing to see that there are several posters here that feel we should legislate stricter gun laws. My safety, my family’s safety, therefore we need to push strict gun laws and start prohibiting certain weapons. What purpose does a semiautomatic assault weapon, serve in a persons personal arsenal? Or, several hand guns (pistols/revolvers) and long-guns (rifles/shotguns)? I can understand one hand gun and one LG, but to have hand guns, LGs, and semi-automatic weapons is not only foolish, but dangerous. Eric Harris, Dylan Kiebold (4/20/99), mark Barton 7/29/99), Larry Ashbrook (9/15/99), Doug Williams (7/8/03), Tony Ratzmann (3/12/05), Jeffrey Weise (3.21.05), Kyle Huff (3.25.06), Charles Roberts (10.2.06), Sulejman Talovic (2.12.07), Seung-Hui-Choi (4.16.07), Robert Hawkins (12.5.07), Charles Thornton (2.7.08), Steven Kazmierczak (2.14.08), Robert Stewart (3.29.09), Jiverly Wong (4.3.09), Nidal Malik *(11.5.09), Omar Thornton (8.3.10),Jared Loughner (1.8.11), Eduardo Senicon (9.6.11), Scott Dekraai (10.14.11), One Goh (4.2.12), Jake England (4.6.12), Ian Stawicki (5.29.12), James Holms (6.20.12), Andrew Engeldiner (9.27.12), Jacob Robert (12.11.12), and the Sandy School shooting. That is over 100 people dead. 61 mass murders since 82. This does not include singular, double, triple (Maines had a few) homicides in the country. People say we don’t need gun control, we need better mental health systems. If you’re that person saying that, then perhaps you NEED to get checked. It’s time to get tough on tougher gun laws.

  • Anonymous

    The real issue that no one in the media wants to talk about is:

    Reagan wiped out the mental health care industry with a stroke of a pen.
    These people ended up incarcerated, homeless or dead as a result of that decision.
    There are very little to no resources for mental illness once age of majority is reached.

    Why must we let a handful of mentally ill people dictate law and policy over two hundred million people?

    Can you not see the insanity of that decision?

    Focus on the real problem.

    • 3rd rail

      Those are not the ones committing these mass murders. These are kids from good backgrounds who have been brainwashed through a culture.

      Living with parents who try to be their friends instead of parenting. You will never hear about this, because the failed model of raising children is producing mass murderers.

      We have a society in America that is in total chaos.

      • Anonymous

        Take away the guns. You’ll have no more mass murders. It’s as simple as that. Don’t try to make it complicated.

        • 3rd rail

          I know your angry, so am I. It breaks your heart if you have any feeling at all. But we can’t take away the guns.

          Because it is true who would be left with the guns, those ‘real criminals’ that don’t live in some hood, if you get my drift.

          • Anonymous

            Do you have a backbone, 3rd? A few courageous bones in your body? Yes, when we outlaw guns, many criminals will not turn theirs in. So what? Call the police if they come after you. And if they kill you (or me), so be it. Far, far fewer will be killed than are being killed now.

          • 3rd rail

            I just don’t like the odds. You ever seen what the opposition is armed with ? Perhaps you misunderstood, I’m talking about the ‘real criminals’ in this country.

          • Anonymous

            So it’s time to pay the piper. And it’s us alive today who will have to pay. Yes, you might get killed if we outlaw guns. I might too. But eventually the guns will be cleaned up and people won’t have to die like these kids did on Friday.

          • 3rd rail

            I’d rather be dead then live in a concentration camp.

          • Anonymous

            3rd, why would you feel like you’d be living in a concentration camp if you had to give up your gun(S)?

          • 3rd rail

            Let’s just say I’m a student of history. Where only still free because our government still fears us.

          • Anonymous

            Bad logic, 3rd. UK citizens don’t have guns. Why are they still free?

          • 3rd rail

            Lucky them, but you can still have a fire arm in the U.K.
            Have you ever been there ? There about as free as a rat in a cage. In all fairness the terrorist problem in Europe hasn’t help.

            Heck, just take a trip to New York city, they got cameras in the toilets.

            The scary part for us is how a certain administration was trying to control us through that fear of terrorist. What can spring from that is totalitarianism.

          • Anonymous

            Yes, I’ve been there. What in the world makes you think they’re not free?!? They’re just as free as we are. Actually more free — they don’t have to worry about dying in gunfire when they go visit their “friendly” mall or elementary school.

          • 3rd rail

            It’s a Welfare State to begin with. I don’t have a problem with helping people, but the U.K. is a total mess.
            There what comes out of a New York city flush, that’s bad.

            You couldn’t pay me enough to live in Europe, or anywhere else in the world. America is it.. For bad or worst and what ever in between.

          • Anonymous

            Most Americans I know would love to live in Europe. But Europe doesn’t want Americans, won’t let us in, most of us. We’re too violent for them, for starters.

            And I just know you’ve been all over Europe and so know what you’re talking about, right? Right.

          • 3rd rail

            You know they say the door to America swings both ways.

          • Anonymous

            If we are such a violent country why do people from other countries try to come here?

          • Anonymous

            After all the violence we’ve had in the past year alone, I expect the people wanting to come here will dry up to a dribble.

          • Anonymous

            Didn’t happen after Columbine (15 murdered). Didn’t happen after Virginia Tech (32 murdered and the worst mass shooting in U.S. history). It won’t happen now either because with all our faults and problems we still offer the best opportunity in the world for a person to accomplish their dreams.

          • Anonymous

            Well, sure, people from countries where they hang people for adultery want to come here. People from countries that jail you for spitting on the sidewalk– they want to come here. People from countries where the police shoot you dead in the street for looking at them cross-eyed — those people want to come here. Sure.

          • Anonymous

            So people DO want to come here. I thought you said NO ONE wants to come here. Are you often this confused about facts?

          • Anonymous

            You have stated several times that other countries “don’t want violent Americans”. This is completely false, the immigration policies of Australia, NZ, and the UK are all based on what SKILLS you can bring to their country. If you have a skill that they are in need of, immigration is fairly straightfoward. I’m sorry if you don’t have the required to emmigrate, but you alone have the power to change that.

          • Anonymous

            They are not free in the UK. they are subjects. They can’t speak out.. And if their is a glimmer of freedoms in the world it’s because the USA has protected countrys from killing their own people.. Without a free USA the socialistic countries will have dictators sooner than later.. I know they didn’t teach you in school that the reason freedom exist at all in most countries is because the worker bees will willingly pay taxes to the leaders rather then sending people out to force you to pay it…. There are only 3 places on earth who answer to no one. Washington DC, The City of London and the Vatican.. These 3 places run the whole planet and always have since inception.

          • Anonymous

            So people in the UK “Can’t speak out,” huh? Well that statement alone tells me I don’t need to pay much attention to you anymore. You must watch Fox News. Did you know that Fox News viewers know less than people who watch no news at all?

          • Anonymous

            And they have more street cameras per capita than any country in the world. There every public moved is almost recorded non-stop.

          • Anonymous

            “There every public moved is almost recorded non-stop.”? So what? The U.S, government records the *private* moves of many of its citizens.

          • Anonymous

            Guess you have never been to England then have you.

          • Anonymous

            I’ve been to England three times. Took a course at Oxford U. one summer. Hitchehiked around Europe another summer, including the UK. And I worked at the Grosvenor Victoria Hotel in London a third summer. How many times have you been to England?

          • Anonymous

            Jes one doesn’t need to travel to a country to understand how there Criminal Justice system works or how they monitor there citizens or how they use technology to record movement and conversations to prevent terrorism. If you think England affords their citizens a higher degree of freedom or the same freedoms we have I feel very sorry for you because they don’t.

          • Anonymous

            Assaults, muggings, burglary, home invasion, all violent crime has soared in the UK and Australia since they took away citizens guns.

          • Anonymous

            That’s really kind of stupid. You think the government fears you if you have a gun at home? Get real.

          • 3rd rail

            Try 300 million guns. You better believe they fear. You’ll note the Patriot Act and that covers you and I as well.

            As the late George Carlin once made note, if you think you got rights, look up 1942 on Wikipedia under Japanese American citizen internment.

          • Anonymous

            I think it’s really stupid to think that the only thing stopping the government from putting us in internment camps or whatever else is the fact that we have guns.

          • 3rd rail

            It’s a slow strip, one right at a time. Until, well, let’s just say I hope I’m dead.

            I don’t like the situation anymore then you do. But do not ever, and I mean ever get trapped. You’ll note we have already loss the power through the ballot box. The politicians are only there to give you the idea you have freedom of choice.

            You Don’t..

            We have owners, they own everything including you and I and a dog name blue.

          • Anonymous

            get off those black back grounded websites PLEASE!!!

          • 3rd rail

            You need to grow up or get off the sauce, every post sounds more and more deluded, and at your age you should have become an adult long ago.

            But no doubt you come from a generational codependency.

          • Anonymous

            so are you a japanese american??

          • 3rd rail

            No just a student of history. And the complete opposite of you. (and thankfully)

          • Anonymous

            His point is that we imprisoned 1000s of 2nd and 3rd generation American citizens because we feared they might do something. These people were citizens just like me. They only difference was they we Japanese. We never imprisoned 2nd and 3rd generation Germans or Italian that were American citizens.

          • Anonymous

            i got the point. I figured this was just a rehash of the 2008 “prediction”/ fear mongering that concentration camps were already being built in the USA and being “sold” as reality to the already mentally vulnerable who were visiting homemade( as in made up) black backgrounded websites.I figured that “rumor” had raised it’s ugly head again .and was recirculating So is it?

          • Anonymous

            Sure didn’t seem that you did.

          • Anonymous

            oh for GD sakes , get a grip..

          • Guest

            Whats wrong can’t figure it out eh. Been on the doe so long you can’t even think for yourself. Sorry excuse.

            Carry on..
            (lol)

          • Anonymous

            Remember what happened when hitler took away law abinding citizens guns? Also, remember why Japan didn’t attack the east coast of the USA?

            Jes, you honestly sound like a lunatic so I know you cannot be reasoned with. So, I’ll leave you with this; I’ll be visiting Cabalas tomorrow to buy more ammo and another hand gun. Why? Because I can and will protect my family and not count on anyone else to do it. This world is full of sickos so I will be prepared.

          • Anonymous

            “Why Japan didn’t attack the east coast of the USA?”
            You should get your meds adjusted. And give your guns to someone for safekeeping before you end up like Mr. Lanza.

          • Anonymous

            Dont make disparaging remarks about me because you didn’t pay attention during US history class in high school.

            Sorry, that wasn’t fair, you probably didn’t make it thru high school

          • Anonymous

            are you getting that” history” on a homemade blackback grounded website that plays doom and gloom music, or one of becks/ coultor hannity etc books? One doesn’t need an arsenal to protect one’s family (unless you are a bad shot) . Go for it. No one cares, unless you unload in a school or movie theater.

          • Anonymous

            Remember what happened when the UK took away everyone’s guns? They had NO MORE SCHOOL SHOOTINGS.

          • Anonymous

            Move to the UK..Please.

          • Anonymous

            I can’t. The UK looks at gun owners like you and thinks all of us are “like that.” They don’t want us. No one does. Except maybe Iran or Uzbekistan. And I think those would be perfect countries for all American gun owners to emigrate to.

          • Anonymous

            And since your telling law abiding citizens to move maybe you should consider China for a future place to live.

          • Anonymous

            And people that wish to kill large amounts of people will find a way..they always do.

          • Anonymous

            Not true.

          • Anonymous

            Absolutely true. Anyone can find everything they need at a Big Box store, hardware store, grocery store, etc…and the information is out there for those so motivated to commit mass murder.

          • Anonymous

            Have you interviewed all “people that wish to kill large amounts of people”? My guess is there are at least a good thousand people on the planet who at one time or another have “wished to kill large amounts of people.” And you are saying that all of these 1000 people “will find a way” to kill large amounts of people. “They always do,” you say.

            Do you see how ridiculous your statements are?

          • Anonymous

            Do the answer to my question is no, you haven’t spoken with any mass murders or potential mass murders. You are basing your arguments on personal opinion.

            Jim Jones managed to convenience his followers to drink Kool-aid laced with cyanide. Those that didn’t drink it were forced to drink in.

            Tim McVeigh managed to gather all the parts and pieces to create a truck bomb without raising any suspicion and park it in front of a federal building in Oklahoma City.

            The Centenial Park Bomber.

            The Unabomber

            The list goes on. People that want to kill people will find a way.

          • Anonymous

            seriously? you call jess the sicko?

          • Anonymous

            I called Jess a sicko? Go reread and try to comprehend. I only wish we I could type slower so you could keep up.

          • Anonymous

            you said : “Jes, you honestly sound like a lunatic”

          • Anonymous

            thanks for confirming i didnt call her a sicko. maybe you can read.

          • Anonymous

            No someone hell bent on killing people will find a way to kill one, 10 or 100. Remember Oklahoma City? Not one gun used.

          • Anonymous

            Poor argument. Outlawing all guns will mean fewer people will needlessly and pointlessly lose their lives.

          • Anonymous

            People that wish to kill people will find a way jes. If they wish to kill 1 person or 100 they will find a way. There are many ways to do it and the items needed can be found in just about any big box store, hardware store, grocery store, etc…

            And its not an argument…it’s a fact.

          • Anonymous

            Adam Lanza would not have killed anyone with a bomb. He probably spent all day 24/7 killing people with guns in his little video games in his bedroom. Most who kill with guns would not be interested in making or setting off bombs.

          • Anonymous

            Really jes? How many potential or actual mass murders have you spoken with?

            The fact is someone bent on killing people will find a way.

            Bomb construction is not all that difficult and the components are easy to obtain and readily available.

            Don’t want to make a bomb? Fine there are other ways to kill scores of people and its not the difficult to do.

          • Anonymous

            you need to hang out with a better crowd..

          • Guest

            I’m pragmatic what can I say. And quite cautious. Hey don’t get me wrong I’ll milk that government trough same as you.

          • Tedlick Badkey

            I guess my question is, where do you draw the line on personal responsibility?

            And… have you ever lost a family member to violence?

          • Anonymous

            Tedlick, it’s not just that bad people kill with guns. It’s that good people like you get killed with your own guns. You are certain you won’t, but you do.

            Most of us don’t want to go back to the Old Wild West where everyone was afraid to leave their homes because any fool with a gun could snuff out your life.

          • Anonymous

            Jes there are people TODAY that are afraid to leave their homes because of criminals and street gangs. Do you really believe that criminals and street gangs with abide by any laws let alone laws banning this or that weapon?

          • Anonymous

            do you live in maine? Is this true in your Maine town?

          • Anonymous

            Tell you what jes you answer the question I asked first (it’s called common courtesy) and then I will answer yours.

            Here is my question again, “Do you really believe that criminals and street gangs with abide by any laws let alone laws banning this or that weapon?”

          • Anonymous

            Some will, some won’t.

          • Anonymous

            And the ones that keep their firearms what do you think they are going to do with them?

          • Anonymous

            move to a better safer neighborhood.

          • Anonymous

            Jes how well did prohibition work? How well has the “war of drugs” worked? Are we able to keep tobacco products and alcohol out of the hands of young people?

          • Anonymous

            Bad comparison. Guns exist *only* to kill. And thousands of us *are* getting killed by them. There’s no reason for any of us to own them.

          • Anonymous

            I target shoot with mine. It’s a skill just like archery.

            And the comparison is fine. The federal government outlawed alcohol. No one could import it, no one could sell it, no one could buy it and no one could consume it. That was a federal law.

            Problem was it didn’t stop it. Some people made a great deal of money importing it, distributing it, selling it and many many people consumed it.

            Same thing drugs and drugs injure and kill thousands of people every year and the federal AND state governments can’t seem to stop it either.

            You are a very niave person if you think banning firearms will stop people from having them.

            Total bans have not worked in the past and they won’t work moving forward v

          • Tedlick Badkey

            Have you lost someone to criminal violence?

          • Anonymous

            So the police can take pictures of your dead body long after the killer is gone?

          • Anonymous

            Sorry Jes I am not trading my safety for the police/sheriff that are at times minutes and hours away. I will take responsibility for my own safety that you very much.

          • Anonymous

            You’ll do whatever the majority of us decide you will do, jd. I think the majority are getting sick and tired of you “Responsible Gun Owners.”

          • Anonymous

            LOL really…I will “do whatever the majority of us decide you will do”? First you would have to determine how many firearms I have which won’t be a very easy task. Then you would have to determine where they are which also will not be an easy task. All I can say is good luck with that task Jes.

          • Anonymous

            Your choice, jd. If the law changes and you break it, you’ll be living with a prison term hanging over your head. The first time you use your gun in “self defense,” you’ll be spending a good part of the rest of your life behind bars. It’s totally up to you.

          • Anonymous

            Doesn’t seem to matter to murders, thrives, rapists, drug dealers, etc….and there is an old saying that comes to mind “I would rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6” and if my actions saved one person I would gladly give up my freedom knowing that person is alive.

            Unfortunately it seems you are willing to place your hope (and that is what it is hope) of safety on having a police officer available when you need one. Fact of the matter is there are not enough police officers in Maine (or the U.S.) to insure everyone’s safety.

          • Anonymous

            that is an “empty suit ” argument.intended to instill fear and a belief that danger is around every corner to enrich gun manufacturers Yp fear sells guns.. Sorry but danger isnt’ around every corner (unless you are looking for it.).

          • 3rd rail

            Your the danger.. (analyze that one)

      • Anonymous

        You nailed one part of the problem right there. I see the result every day. But God help you get most of these parents to be willing to actually parent.

    • Anonymous

      AND in our schools resources, to help, address, mental health, find support, of dealing with kids, early, so they maybe not turn down the wrong roads, HAS BEEN CUT , OVER AND OVER AND OVER, about 1 Billion in the past @ years!!

  • And not a peep about the other thousands of babies murdered by abortion that same day.I guess attacking a baby with a pair of scissors and sucking their brains out is ok.

  • Bring back “insane asylum’s”!

    • Anonymous

      Why? Feel the need to self admit. There were no warning signs reported at this point. Or are you suggesting that we lock up everyone that is “different”?

      • He was described as a ‘ticking time bomb’ !
        Being “goth” notwithstanding….That sounds like a “warning sign” to me!

        • Anonymous

          By who and when?

          It’s really easy in hindsight for ANYONE to say this or that. There are many “facts” that came out immediately after the rampage that are no longer facts.

          For example:

          It was his mothers classroom. It wasn’t
          His mother was a teacher, aide, etc…at the school. She wasn’t
          He was “buzzed” into the school. He wasn’t.

          So for a person to say after the fact that he was a “ticking time bomb” is a very self serving statement.

  • Anonymous

    Just remember folks Bushmaster sold their company..They are in NC now….If guns kill people why is it there are no shootings at a gun show?

    • Anonymous

      If more guns are the answer, why didn’t the mother use her other guns to protect herself?

      • Anonymous

        you do you hate the Republic so..

      • Anonymous

        Probably because she didnt think her psyco son was going to kill her, pretty hard to get a gun when someone comes at you unexpectantly. I personally would of loved to be the one to put a bullet in this scumbag….

        • Anonymous

          I just find it ironic. People keep saying if only there were others with guns or we need guns to protect ourselves, yet the woman was killed by the same gun she got to protect herself and despite having additional guns in the house.

          • Anonymous

            Would you expect your own flesh and blood to kill you?? No…..I personally keep guns accessable around the house so I dont have to scramble if I need one, my only factor is I have to keep it out of reach of my 8 yr old.. I can find them in pitch black…

          • Anonymous

            I wouldn’t expect anyone to kill me.

            But either way, what difference does it make who the shooter is? If you’re right about guns being good for protection, you should be able to protect yourself just the same from a stranger or a relative.

          • Anonymous

            Exactly, she was caught off guard.. Watching CBS with Bob Sheaffer this morning, he asked asked the question what she was doing with so many guns, like it was illegal.. I guess he doesnt own a gun…

          • Anonymous

            She was killed in her bed. So only a relative could have caught her off guard?

          • Anonymous

            Who else would enter the house, he probably lived there…..

          • Anonymous

            So only relatives who intend to kill you can enter your house and catch you off guard? Come on.

          • Anonymous

            Didnt say that……Stop assuming…

          • Anonymous

            Then your argument fails. More guns isn’t the answer. She had guns and according the the more guns answer, she should have been able to stop the shooter.

          • Anonymous

            Im not arguing for more guns…. You must be mistaken.. You have blinders on, you are anti gun…….You see what you want to..

          • 3rd rail

            Don’t get drawn into. They have no solution because they can’t even understand how and where this violence is coming from.

            And it’s not coming from gun owners such as yourself.

            Every mass murder since Columbine fits a distinct profile.
            They want to tuck it away under a ‘mental illness’ because they come form a University jargon.

            You yourself may think that kid was nut’s, he wasn’t but he was angry. All these kids come form good backgrounds with educated parents who where enablers, and never put the proper restraints on their behaviors growing up. In essence these kids where latch key kids only privileged.

            That University jargon of talk softly, creative this , that and the other and gladly accept when your children tell you to go F— yourself.

            And these learner parents in most cases are not even fit to own a pet much less be having children. We only think they are because they have the incomes and the education.

          • Anonymous

            I have 2 guns, so you demonstrate your own ignorance by making assumptions.

            And then you pretend your have your own answers that have absolutely no basis in reality at all — what a joke.

          • 3rd rail

            I doubt it ! You come off sounding like you are trying to be clever. Your not..

  • Anonymous

    Grief always leaves a hole.. some people will be driven insane by this, never, ever to recover.. I wonder how all the innocence lost in the middle east grieve when their children die by bombs dropped by the corporate wars machines of the world.. Some kill for money others because they are insane. I don’t know if there is a difference.. God Bless these families and all involved.

  • Anonymous

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2248983/Connecticut-school-shooting-Adam-Lanzas-survivalist-mother-obsessed-guns.html

    Seems the shooter’s mom was a “survivalist” and was stockpiling food in anticipating of an economic collapse. Took the kids to target practice….

  • Guest

    You do realize that there are homosexual gun owners right ? Are they a threat ?

    Gun ownership is a fundamental right in America, and whether you or I agree with that premise it is never the less the founding upon which this nation was formed.

    To deny that right is to call into question America’s very fundamental principles. I dare say it’s a dangerous path.

    • Anonymous

      “Gun ownership” is not a “fundamental right” in America. The right to own devices that will keep your government from becoming a monarchy is.

      • 3rd rail

        I don’t think you have a firm grasp of what our Constitution says and it’s Bill of Rights. Perhaps you can get educated on what fundamental rights mean as it pertains to this nation and we can debate further.

      • Anonymous

        Gun ownership is a individual constitutionally protected fundamental right in the United States of America as reaffirmed by the US Supreme Court.

        • Anonymous

          Nothing’s written in stone, not even the Constitution.

          • Anonymous

            I don’t think you have any idea what the constitution is then.

          • You do realize the constitution can be AMENDED, right? That’s why we have those things we call “Amendments.”

            The word “amendment” is not just some word you say after you pray to God for more guns.

        • Ever see the SCOTUS make a wrong decision, because it was either corrupt or politically expedient to do so? I have. On many issues. And the 2nd Amendment is one of them.

    • Anonymous

      are they” a threat” because they are homosexual or because they own a gun??

      • Guest

        Ask yourself that question. I already know the answer.

    • AMEN!!!!!

    • It is not a fundamental right in America. A Supreme Court with any balls would find as such, but unfortunately, that is impossible. So they have to go along with the sham that the 2nd Amendment is about individual rights.

      Why do I say this? Because there are so many guns out there now, it is impossible to get them into the hands of persons that would form an ACTUAL “well-regulated militia,” which was the intent of the 2nd Amendment.

      Now that the poison is out there, and has seeped into and stained and soaked our land, there is no taking it back. The guns will stay out there, and the SCOTUS will not revisit their incorrect past decisions on the true meaning of the 2nd Amendment.

  • No amount of legislation is going to make acts like this stop. Stricter gun laws are not going to stop criminals. Since when have criminals ever cared about the law? If a criminal wants to do something horrible, they are going to do it, no matter what the laws say. Legal gun ownership isn’t the issue. Stopping gun shows isn’t going to help. There is still a very easily accessible black market for anything people want to get their hands on. Banning guns is going to stop innocent people from defending themselves, and more tragedies are going to happen. Taking away a citizen’s right to protect themselves and their families leads to more violent crime, not less. Realistically speaking, criminals are more inclined to go after victims that cannot defend themselves than people who are able to fight back. That’s just common sense.

    What this society needs is to stop glorifying this type of senseless violence. If more stories were about the victims and the impact on the community and less about the shooter himself, his life, his motives, people would be forced to look at the horror a tragedy like this creates, and not at how public a figure you can become for doing something like this. Its called empathy. And even a story like this one, although it initially talks about the victims, still goes back to the shooter and his motives. Forget him. That’s what people want; to be remembered; to go out on top; guess what, we let it happen.

    Anti-bullying legislation is a good first step. Simply teaching tolerance and empathy in schools at in homes from a VERY early age is a better one. Society as a whole needs to come together and start supporting each other. How many crimes like this happened 50 years ago? Very few. And look at the type of society we had then. People helping each other, supporting each other, and living and working together as a community. America has lost that, and in such, look what we have become.

    I encourage all of you to think about your neighbor. Find ways to reach out to your community. If we want true change in America, this is where it will begin. Everyone helping everyone. Stop sensationalizing these monsters, and show the horror that acts like this create. That is how to affect change, not by trampling on people’s rights.

    My thoughts and prayers are with all the families affected by this senseless tragedy. Let us pray that they may be able to find some kind of peace. No amount of our words could ever lessen their grief, but let us hope that our support as a country will give them the strength they need to help during this dark time.

    • 3rd rail

      Problem is, these are not criminals committing these mass murders.
      They all come from good backgrounds, educated parents and even educated themselves.

      It’s a flawed model of child rearing through a cultural mind set that is producing these mass murderers.

      • and thus, no amount of legislation is going to stop these acts. More laws arn’t going to change whats happening at home. People need to make that change, within themselves, and within thier communities.

        • 3rd rail

          Some don’t want to see the truth of what is happening and prefer to label it all under a ‘mental illness’.

          But you have to get away from the idea that’s been planted out there, and on purpose to scare you into thinking that the government is coming for your guns, they are not ! We need a sensible approach to check people buying fire arms.

          • Anonymous

            Define “sensible”.

  • People, you are missing the big picture. CHANGE STARTS AT HOME, NOT WITH THE GOVERNMENT. If you want to see change, make it happen. Stop buying the violent video games. Guess what…. if “Family Game Night” was the #1 seller, more games like it would get made. But as a society, we have sensationalized violence. Thus, people are learning that violence is “cool”. Start practicing sympathy and empathy. Teach your families to do the same. This is how you change the way things are…. by changing them within what you CAN control.

    It is true that there needs to be easier ways to get adults the mental health treatment they need if they refuse to do so themselves, and yes, anti-bullying legislation and would help set the tone that thing like this are NOT ok. But until we make the changes at home, within ourselves and our communities, no amount of government interference is going to stop these tragedies from happening.

    Each of us needs to make a conscious effort to take the violence out of our lives and put the love back in it. And yes, I may sound like a hippie, but I don’t care. If we all loved more and stopped promoting the chaos and violence that is all too prevalent in today’s media and recreation time, change would happen. Make the change within yourself and then bombard your congressmen and senators with letters stating our needs. Eventually, they will have no choice but to help us make those changes. But they need to start at home, with each and every person, not with the government with prayers it will trickle down to the people.

  • Anonymous

    Any time a people is defenceless they have loss their freedoms

  • Melora

    I saw the video by Huckabee on an answer to this very sad loss of children. I thought it was the best answer I’ve seen so far: http://video.foxnews.com/v/2038135300001/

    • PabMainer

      Mr. Huchabee’s comments in this video are spot on…..Americans for many years have been asking God to bless America while turning our backs on God Himself…..As Mr Huckabee speaks and reflects on America’s anti-God movement over the last several decades, I can only pray that God may now save America…..

      • Anonymous

        Huckabee’s comments are pure stupidity.

        • Anonymous

          Much like yours.

  • Anonymous

    1. Turmoil and divorce in the home
    2. Son taken out of public school and homeschooled.
    3. Father and brother had not spoke to shooter for some time.
    4. Mother owns 3 weapons
    5. Weapons were not in a safe, bullets were not locked up and locks were not on the weapons. (Locks can be obtained for free usually from the police station.)
    Please explain to me how the NRA is responsible for this?
    “If there is a will there is a way” ie stabbings in China.
    I agree with redheaded stepchild now is the time for reflection and support. This could have easily happened in Maine.

  • Anonymous

    Starting the gun debate is useless. These people who commit these crimes are sick and have a plan. Eliminating the access to guns isn’t going to solve anything. The crime will be committed with another way with another weapon. Read the news in China? The attacker used a knife. I suppose we should ask congress to pass laws against sales and use of knives while we’re at it. You’re going about the gun debate all wrong. Guns are inanimate objects. It’s the operator you need to worry about. Trust me. Take away guns, they will find another way. Not to mention what’s going to take place if you start stripping the rights of the rest of the law abiding citizens of this country. As sad as it is, it’s the sign of the times. Think of this. Had there been an armed guard at the school, or a citizen or two with concealed weapon permits and weapons to boot at the cinema…..pretty sure the outcome would have been less tragic.

    • Anonymous

      The attacker used a knife in China and no one died.

      If your argument is inanimate objects are of no worry, then we shouldn’t be worried about nuclear weapons in the middle east or in North Korea, right? Just inanimate objects! They’re going to do the same thing regardless, right?

      Your argument is garbage. The mother was the first victim and she was armed. If you were right, she should have been able to kill the son preventing everything and yet, that didn’t happen. She was armed and the “outcome” wasn’t less tragic. You’re wrong.

      • Anonymous

        You are wrong!
        Where in any of the published articles does it say the shooter’s mother was armed?
        There were only two people present when he shot her. And now they are both dead.
        So by whose account have you taken it upon yourself to make the determination “she was armed”?
        Big difference between “owning” guns and “being armed”.
        I own guns, but I am not “armed” at this moment.
        And the mentioned items are just that…inanimate objects. They sit still and harm no one without human intervention.
        Your argument is garbage.

        • Anonymous

          She had 5 guns and the kid was in possession of 3. She was armed. We say people need to have guns so they can protect themselves — well she had 2 and what good did that do?

          • Anonymous

            You have absolutely no evidence nor statement of fact to support that comment.
            The shooter took three of her guns after he killed her.

          • Anonymous

            She had 5 guns registered. That’s fact.

          • Anonymous

            Responding to you is like responding to the air.

      • Anonymous

        Garbage? Last I checked weapons have to have human interaction to preform. Nuclear weapons, guns knives ect. I’ve yet to hear otherwise. The laws in place worked. He was denied a rifle a short time before the crime. Humans are to blame. Not the weapons we created. The point I made about china (you obviously missed) was that no matter the weapon , big or small, the crimes are still going to take place. As far as the nukes. Well they will sit idle until that pesky human wants to use them.

        • Anonymous

          No because the same crimes don’t take place — not of the same magnitude. China has 5 times the population of ours and they have no had the 5 times the knife deaths as we have had with guns. So again, if you want to make that argument, then we should give North Korea some nuclear weapons because either way, they’re going to do the same amount of damage — that’s what you’er arguing.

          • Anonymous

            My argument is that guns don’t kill people. Cut and dry. This is the same thing as a man jumping in his car and mowing down people as they cross the street. Should the next step be a ban on motor vehicles? The real life person operating whatever instrument is the problem.

          • Anonymous

            So then you’d be fine with North Korea having a nuclear weapon — as those weapons don’t kill people, people do. Right?

          • Anonymous

            That falls under the same thing. The u.s. along with a few other countries(un) have determined who is allowed to have these weapons based on history and actions. The same way we have said who can and can not own or posess a firearm. If nk was competent and not so hot headed and quick to react, then yes they should be able to own or posess. After all as I have said, the man behind the weapon is the real problem. Not the weapon. Ban all the guns in the country. The national shooting sports foundation reported10.8 million guns were sold last yr. how long do you think it’s going to take to get those weapons along with ALL the others off the street?

          • Anonymous

            I can assure you that gunshot wounds will be listed as the primary or secondary cause of death on 27 death certificates in Ct. Guns do, in fact, kill people. Cut and dried.

          • Anonymous

            Yea because those guns jumped up and went to that school on their own will power and did this. Are you kidding me? A real life person did this. They chose a gun. The human interaction that went on is the problem. Guns weapons whatever do not kill unless a living being has a part in the whole thing. Humans and only humans are to blame here.

          • Anonymous

            Human interaction, or in this case, inhumane interaction was the overt problem…but it was not the cause of death. Gunshot wounds were the cause of death of all those children and adults. The 5 W’s will shed some light, but dead is dead…they died from gunshot wounds. Accepting this simple truth would begin a conversation about trying to stop these tragedies. Parroting the NRA mantra over and over changes nothing.

          • Anonymous

            I accept the truth. He used a firearm. He pulled the trigger.the gun didn’t shoot on its own. If guns were banned, he would have used another weapon. If someone wants to commit a crime, big or small, it will happen. Guns, knives, whatever it may be. It’s going to happen. All the laws in the world won’t stop the violence. It starts with real life human beings. That is the truth.

          • Anonymous

            Ma’am,
            China rounds up political dissenters and executes them. They are one of the few countries that executes more people yearly than we do. Of course their citizenry is not armed, they live in a totalitarian regime. I’m sorry, but you picked a poor analogy.

          • Anonymous

            I’m not a ma’am and I wasn’t the one who brought up China.

      • Anonymous

        Your making statements without any evidence. The mother had access to firearms….I haven’t read one single account that says “she was armed”. So please stick to FACTS that have been confirmed.

        • Anonymous

          These are the facts. She had 5 registered guns. If you’re going to argue that people should have guns to defend themselves, then here is the perfect scenario to test that argument and it fails.

          I’m making a point agains those who say that more guns is the answer. You can’t say people have guns to protect themselves and that guns could have stopped this because what is factually true is that the mother had more guns and she was unable to stop this. You don’t get to make broad statements and then when pressed parse out little details, but then refuse to allow those details lead to discussion or allow those details to alter your position. Those guns were in her possession and no, she likely wasn’t asleep with them in her physical possession, but who is? Doesn’t that blow the argument out of the water either way?

          • Anonymous

            wolf you said she was “armed”. We don’t know if she had a firearm in her hand (which would make her armed) or if she had access to them (which would mean she wasn’t armed but could be if she choose to be).

            Unless and until the Connecticut State Police state she was armed your statement is your opinion and not a fact.

          • Anonymous

            Well that’s what I meant by armed and whether it was in her hand, under her bed or in the closet, it’s not relevant to the point I was contesting nor the point I was making.

          • Anonymous

            LOL wolf the point you were trying to make is not even remotely relevant. We don’t know where she keep her weapons. 99% of my weapons are secured in a gun safe. Three are not. I keep a Glock 23 .40 10 round magazine, a Ruger P85 9mm x19 and a Mossberg 12G pump shotgun “secured” but handy. That means the are available if needed but not always at hand. So I am not “armed” and I could be surprised but then again I have three early warning dogs that give me plenty of warning when someone is near or around my home.

          • Anonymous

            You can laugh all you want and argue what isn’t relevant, but it doesn’t change things.

            The poster I replied to talked about having more people with guns being the answer. The very first person killed had more guns and she couldn’t stop it.

            People are saying there can’t be more gun control laws because we need them for protection. If that’s true, then the current state of our laws should allow for people to protect themselves with their guns. The mother was a gun enthusiast and she wasn’t able to protect herself.

            If all these scenarios require us to have warnings beforehand, then more guns and no gun control clearly isn’t the answer. That’s the point. This isn’t something to LOL about.

          • Anonymous

            “The poster I replied to talked about having more people with guns being the answer. The very first person killed had more guns and she couldn’t stop it.”

            And as I have explained having access to them and being armed are two completely different things.
            ~~~~~
            “People are saying there can’t be more gun control laws because we need them for protection. If that’s true, then the current state of our laws should allow for people to protect themselves with their guns. The mother was a gun enthusiast and she wasn’t able to protect herself.”

            First off I have never stated that we shouldn’t do things to tighten gun laws or to limit certain things. If you want to know what those things are ask and I will tell you wolf.

            Second, our gun laws do allow people to protect themselves in their person and property in Maine. Not all states allow that. In Massachusetts a person has to take ALL available means of escape before they can protect themselves.

            Third, there you go again making statements without proof. She was a gun owner, her level of enthusiasm is unknown by you and me.
            ~~~~~
            “If all these scenarios require us to have warnings beforehand, then more guns and no gun control clearly isn’t the answer. That’s the point. This isn’t something to LOL about.”

            wolf when someone wants to kill people in large numbers they are going to find a way to accomplish their goal. We can limit a person access to many things but someone that is hell bent on killing people will find the means and a way.

            And for the record I am not laughing about this event. I am laughing at people that think banning anything keeps what is banned out of peoples hands.

            We banned alcohol but people still got alcohol and one political family made their fortune on bootlegging. We ban all kinds of drugs and even declared a “war of drugs” but that doesn’t keep drugs out of our country. We place limits on who can purchase alcohol and cigarettes but those people still purchase them. So what makes you think banning guns will keep guns out of peoples hands?

          • Anonymous

            Okay, but I was replying to you initially I wasn’t arguing points you were making. That’s very obvious when you look at the string of comments. So you can’t say “I didn’t say that”.

  • Anonymous

    Ya know, it sure would be nice to read one article in the Bangor Daily News that didnt turn into a political battle or a battle over guns or mental illness or the poor vs. the rich…I mean 20 little angels lost thier lives. There is no good answer as to why and even if we find an answer, it wont bring any of them back…Cant you folks just leave this for the articles on the Gun Controversy?…Nah, didnt think you could.

  • Anonymous

    I found the below video interesting. I don’t believe it is a gun problem. Guns have been around for hundreds of years. Making guns illegal would create another very dangerous black market. It is something that has been introduced to us in recent years.

    The True Source Of Random & Mass Shootings And Violence
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhO0Pul_FcE&feature=player_embedded

  • Just days before the school shooting, Adam Lanza attempted to purchase a single “long gun” rifle from a local gun store but was turned away because he did not want to wait for the required 14-day background check, according to two federal law enforcement officials.

    Sources said he entered the store “earlier in the week” in the Newtown area and inquired about buying one rifle. He was only 20 years old, and did not have a permit for firearms, and was told about a 14-day background check that would have to be done, the sources said.

    “He didn’t want to wait the 14 days,” said one source, declining to be identified because the case is still under review. “So they denied him. The sale did not take place.”

    The laws work!…The current laws did their job!…The loons on the street are the problem!

    Oh…and by the way….this comes from the moonbatt rag LA Times, so save your smarty pants comments!

  • People please its not about legal gun sales, if we didn’t sell guns legally the rampage of illegal sales would go out of control and people like this monster could STILL get weapons., you cant blame the mentally ill in treatment if they don’t want to get treatment or are not reported, you cant blame god, you can blame society but what the hell is that going to change? We need another answer…..

  • Anonymous

    imagine this, Approved teachers go thru CW training and posible have a class with the police. They are packing on their person every day at school. Instead of throwing their bodies as a shield and ultimately being killed, the moment the first shot was fired, they could have taken this poor sick young man out of the picture, possibly saving most all of these lives.
    controvercial yes, true maybe, I would feel better know a teacher at my childs school could protect them from sick people that walk amongst us. Especially now, once a school is on lock down no one goes in, and no one comes out. Police take so long to get in there due to protocol. The teacher is already their and most are willing to endanger their lives for their kids. Like it or not, we need to hit back when we are hit.

    • Anonymous

      The mother had additional guns, if your argument is correct, she should have been able to stop her son. She was trained and very proud of the guns she owned.

      • Anonymous

        From your point of view maybe. Or maybe she was sleeping, seems she was shot in the face in bed by her son. That is just my thought of keeping my child who is TRAPPED at school with a bunch of people completely defenseless to a person with a gun. It’s not guns that kill, it’s people.

  • Anonymous

    NRA has no comment on the shootings in Newtown? Are they kidding?
    https://twitter.com/NRA

    • Anonymous

      No surprise there – what would the cowards say?…that “guns don’t kill people” babble? The Coroner would vehemently disagree.

      • Anonymous

        “Guns dont kill people,people kill people”…..and those people should not have access to guns.

  • Anonymous

    As we argue back and forth it seems to me we don’t have enough facts to back any of our arguments. CT has strict gun laws an it stopped nothing. All the guns were legally bought and we know nothing about what was happening in that home.

    We don’t know whether anyone had any reason to suspect that they guy would go viloment. Even if the mother had known it is nearly impossible to get a mentally ill person into treatment, even if you have heath insurance to cover it. Ever consider that the mother may have had those weapons t protect herself from her son?

    I was reading another article from a mother who is raising a mentally ill teen ager, who does suddenly become violent. She can not get her son put away and the other kids know to run to the family car and lock the doors if their older brother erupts. This boy has threatened to kill his mother several times, but nothing can be done legally until he commits a crime. Imagine living under those circumstances. So perhaps we need to rethink how we handle mentally ill people, particularly those prone to violence. Nobody should have to live in fear of a family member.

    • Anonymous

      As we argue back and forth, we say that more people should have gun in order to have stopped the shooter. Well, the mother had more guns and yet she was the first killed, so clearly, more guns isn’t the answer. If you have a child that threatens violence, why take that kid to target practice and teach him how to use a gun? Why make guns available to that kind of person?

      • Anonymous

        Do we know that he threatened violence? So far except for the mass skilling we have not heard of any reports of him threatening vilence. The case I talked about was in another article about another boy a teenager.
        So far I haven’t read much of anything about his mother and him and their relatioship. As I recall he had no police record, and I have not read about him having any other bouts of violence. So again I am not sure we have enough information to be arguing this, and we are not doing more than jumping to conclusions.

        • Anonymous

          I’m sorry, I misread your comment.

          • Anonymous

            Perfectly okay, I have done that more than a few times myself.

          • Anonymous

            wolfndeer, easy enough to do. I have done more than a few times misread what others have posted. Meanwhile it looks like a strange family, mother was hoarding guns and food because she was afraid of economic collapse and taught her children how to shoot. Sort of ironic that she set herself up for what happened.

  • Anonymous
  • 800 people went to church there this week, but how many next week and how many in a couple of months? evil exists and the only way to counter it is with good. turn to God and battle evil.

    • Anonymous

      Fortunately, there are more examples of good in this world than counting numbers in a pew would indicate. I know several evil people who sit in pews each week. Yes, evil exists, and the best way to counter it is with good. Fictitious characters are irrelevant to this discussion – that’s the weakest argument towards any resolution to a crisis.

  • Anonymous

    Every time the media repeats this sick person’s name and the body count, they are setting up the next incident! The constant media glorification of this unhuman individual feeds the thought of others like him, that they to can gain fame by committing atrocious acts, that they will “go down in history!”. The MEDIA needs to STOP glorifying this!

    • Anonymous

      Yeah……this has NOTHING to do with guns. It’s all the fault of the media!

      The NRA needs to stop hiding behind the Second Amendment and start admitting that they are playing a part in this B.S.

  • Anonymous

    A short note here … a very large majority of crimes are committed by people who steal guns (they don’t buy them). I would think that the gun owners would take more extreme care in hiding or keeping their guns locked up. Most all school shootings that I can remember were done by people who took the guns from one of their parents. I remember reading a lot of robberies and murders where the guns were also taken from parents or relatives. IF people would use a little common sense to keep their weapons under lock and key, it’s probable that it would cut down on some of the violence we see today. On the other hand, if the TV and video games makers would cut down on the violence, MAYBE by not watching it they wouldn’t be out there doing it!

    • How wrong you are and you are spewing nothing but pure BS.

      • Anonymous

        Really Kevin??? You can’t even agree on the most basic of premises that gun owners take responsibility for securely storing their guns????

      • Anonymous

        No I’m not wrong Kevin, you go check records and news articles.

        • Anonymous

          Well Kevin, do you feel gun owners should leave their guns where they could easily be found by someone who broke in or a relative that may want to go out and use them on someone. Sounds like that’s pretty much what you’re saying.

          • Anonymous

            You can carry on an intelligent conversation with these gun whackos.

        • You are the one that needs to provide the facts as you are the one spewing the BS.

  • Anonymous

    you guys do realize that this was a severely deranged individual with absolutely no moral compass. he could have built a bomb and taken out half the school, no guns needed. he could have used knives and bats. when a mentally deranged individual wants to do harm and kill, they will get creative. gun laws wouldn’t have stopped him, he would have found a way. what we need to do is find a better way to treat people with with mental instability, personality disorders, and other mental illnesses. we need to find a way to stabilize and control people who have mental illnesses that can become violent. gun control laws will help you feel good, but they won’t help the mind behind the gun.

    • Anonymous

      How do you know he could have built a bomb and successfully detonated it???? Do you know how much easier it for someone to buy and use an assault rifle vs. buying bomb materials, building it, placing it, and detonating it…….all without anyone finding out? And knives and bats???…..seriously? He didn’t use any of that stuff…….because the semi-automatic rifle was the easiest to get, use, and kill quickly and efficiently……..time for a reality check, Allisa!

      • Anonymous

        It is not all that difficult to build a bomb.

        As far as ” buying bomb materials, building it, placing it, and detonating it” all one has to do is look at the bombing of the Federal Building in Oklahoma City.

        And it wasn’t difficult to drive up to the building and walk away either was it.

        If a person wants to kill a person or persons they will do it.

        Every time we try to ban something, alcohol, drugs, etc…someone steps into the void and provides the people with what they want. Why do you think this will be any different?

  • Anonymous

    You have got to be kidding me. You gun control nuts think more gun control is the answer. It was a gun free zone, if he thought there was a gun in the school he would have thought twice. so answer this how would you nut jobs have stop this with more laws.. tell us the answer….

    • Anonymous

      Speaking of nut jobs……..

  • “there is no evidence of a link between Asperger’s and violent behavior, experts say.”…….WHAT?…I think that expert analysis has been debunked!

  • Brent Randall

    Why do we care how many times the lady was shot or any other graphic details about this horrible event? Just another way the media is desensitizing this society to the evil that is so common these days.

  • Anonymous

    Do you wish to answer the question pretty?

    Here it is again, “Do you really believe that criminals and street gangs with abide by any laws let alone laws banning this or that weapon?”

    So far it has been asked three times and no one seems to want to answer it. Why?

  • If only the mother of the gunman had some weapons in her house to protect herself! Then she and 20 children and 6 educators would be alive today.

    She is the perfect example of why we need to arm ourselves to protect ourselves! Oh, wait a minute……….

    • Anonymous

      Unfortunately being “armed” and having access are two completely different things.

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