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NEWTOWN, Conn. — Residents of the small Connecticut community of Newtown were reeling on Saturday from one of the worst mass shootings in U.S. history, as police sought answers about what drove a 20-year-old gunman to slaughter 20 children at an elementary school. The… Read More
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  • Anonymous

    Why?
    Clearly just a blow against governmental tyranny. You know, that secret conspiracy to take everyone’s guns and imprison us in a totalitarian state.
    it’s true. Just ask any gun nut. Or NRA member.

    • Anonymous

      Or apply critical thinking when dissecting corporate media…..

      Let me guess, big Obama fan? Right? Yet, somehow, you can reconcile the fact that Obama has murdered over 177 women and children through his drone campaign….his “tears” kind of ring hollow in light of the facts. In addition, he has more innocent young blood on his hands from fast and furious….

  • Anonymous

    A Bushmaster?
    Well I’m sure Mainers are duly proud of our part in the madness.

    • Anonymous

      And just what do you think our part is?

    • Anonymous

      From the reports I have seen the “Bushmaster” was not used and was found in his car.

    • Anonymous

      Genius. With very little practice, ANYONE, could run around in a crowded school with a 12 gauge shotgun and a pocket full of #4 buckshot and do more damage than this guy did, and pump shotguns have been around 100 years. We gonna get rid of shotguns too? Its our society that is screwed up, and needs to be fixed. Mainers are now somehow guilty because Bushmasters are made here? Yep, real genius.

    • PabMainer

      Reports initially indicated the Bushmaster was not used for these killings, handguns apparently were which was reported initially…..Maine had no part in the evilness of this tragedy…..but many Mainers can share our hearts that are hurting for those who were part of this horrific happening…..

  • Anonymous

    Early Education on Illness- get rid of the
    “mental” title. As in any illness early intervention is key. Becoming
    educated at 47 I am angry that I didn’t know how I could have helped
    rather than adding to the fire. The difference of support for cancer,
    MS, etc. vs. Depression, Bi-Polar, etc is devastating. Finding help
    almost impossible. Many in the field are ill and powerful. Many hold
    powerful po
    sitions outside of healthcare.
    Our ignorance and fear has allowed the growth and spread. Immediate
    education will open doors for the love and understanding so desperately
    needed and cruelly denied. Certified Respected Professional Therapists
    and Dr.’s are voiceless in the system easy targets for legal action
    because of ignorance and fear. Proper lifetime care and community
    support is the cure. Improper care results in internal terror compounded
    with mind altering medication. The family care giver alone and also in
    fear. Society forces alienation and here we are.

    • Anonymous

      problem is that we don’t treat the illness, we simply medicate it with drugs that have massive lists of side effects, many of these effects are unknown and not specifiaclly evaluated via the FDA approval process

      “More than 500,000 children and adolescents in America are now taking antipsychotic drugs,” Wilson reports, “according to a September 2009 report by the Food and Drug Administration. Their use is growing not only among older teenagers, when schizophrenia is believed to emerge, but also among tens of thousands of preschoolers.”

      http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/side-effects/201009/medicating-children-why-controversy-still-flares-over-early-detection

      • Anonymous

        Mandatory Mental Wellness Check Ups from birth. Early signs warrant vigilance and parental cooperation, education and support system. Insurance must cover treatment plan. Drugs are forced as a “necessary” treatment. Many times one spouse emerges as truly ill, compounding the situation. Domestic abuse, kids in the crossfire, law enforcement unequipped, untrained, but forced to respond. Imminent disaster, emotional and financial, only the strongest can hold on while others turn their head, run away and/or judge.

      • Anonymous

        Agreed. Many “professionals” will not treat those not allowing meds. Some teachers as well. Constant disruption not fair to any. Special Ed inadequate, out of district- one size fits all. Homeschool- alienate and parent/care giver usually the trigger. When out of control, meds used as “quick” fix, worse than prison hospitals, condescending care, exasperating fear/illness and teaching the ill to mask or self fix . Out of network providers are the gold mind but out of reach for most. In network denials are an additional nightmare for care giver, no insurance…in the abyss. Constant care, security and immediate training for care giver including in home help. Or wellness checkups for the mind from birth, identify early and nurture a “Beautiful Mind” before society hurts.

    • Anonymous

      47 is young and education is great at any age. My hat is tipped to your
      perseverance and desire to learn. One of the greatest educators on how to empower ourselves as caregivers to family members suffering from mental inflictions is NAMI. Google it.

      • Anonymous

        Thank you but getting educated when you’re in the throws of hell, alone, lost and scared, making mistakes, as opposed to having been educated to identify and help from onset. I couldn’t get ahead of it… depending on anyone when the walls are crashing is dicey at best.

  • Anonymous

    Maybe Ted Nugent can inject his wisdom into the situation. I’m sure that would help.

    • Anonymous

      If only he had some wisdom…

    • Anonymous

      Maybe you could stop using an absolute tragedy to advance your warped agenda. People like you make me physically ill. You are not an intelligent or caring person. You are a robot walking firmly in lockstep w/whatever miserable existence you blame everyone else for. Too many of you out there & you each have your own crosses to bear & are too afraid or to intellectually dishonest to look in the mirror & examine yourselves.

  • Isaac Chroner

    The honest answer and this coming from me is obviously going to not sound right – but the honest thing is we all know what this entire thing will open up…gun control.

    I am a very conservative guy when it comes to this subject but it breaks my heart in both ways. I hate seeing people kill other people – my belief its not just guns that do these horrible acts – why 2 weeks ago someone shot their father with a crossbow. Its unstable people having access to weapons more over than the weapons themselves. People will say that its stupid to use the “guns don’t kill people” theory – yes they do kill people, so do rocks, crossbows, knives…pretty much anything you can think of you can kill someone with it. even this laptop i’m on. you can even a pillow.

    The thing is people are always going to kill people, whether its greed, instability, power, lack of power…etc. dexter morgan …

    but the fact of the matter is you can take my gun from my cold dead hand

    • 3rd rail

      No it won’t ! Will only be talk about for about the next 3 days.

      Guns are only the easy means, it’s the culture that must change. And not the culture of owning a firearm, but a culture who views a Kardashian as worthy of attention.

      Who lives in a fantasy world of drugs and video games. Who steals from their parents, and lies to them.

      Who gets sucked into a liberal ideology that all your problems can be classified under a ‘mental illness’ rather then one from lack of discipline, responsibility, motivation and respect.

      ///////

      “but the fact of the matter is you can take my gun from my cold dead hand”

      You see, that’s no crazier then that kid was..

      • Isaac Chroner

        being a liberal and being a conservative isn’t a choice for me anymore.

        being sensible, and knowing the choices we make in life we all should be focused on whats better for everyone than whats better for a few.

        • 3rd rail

          I agree, I just have a problem with all the b.s. being used towards an understanding on both sides of the issues.

          I highlighted that quote from your comment as an example, to illustrate the futility towards any reasoning when both sides have their share of crack-pots and pseudo analysis.

          • Isaac Chroner

            both of them do. i tend to lean conservative but i also am what some people would consider very liberal in many aspects. i define these terms quite clear no doubt some how.

            but the fact is us people stuck in the middle are the smartest

          • 3rd rail

            … or just playing it safe or who ever pays the best.

    • Anonymous

      THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN GUNS AND THE REST OF THE WEAPONS YOU NAME IS THAT GUNS CAN KILL MANY PEOPLE WITHIN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. GUNS CAN BE USED IN MASS KILLINGS, AS WE HAVE SEEN AGAIN AND AGAIN IN THIS COUNTRY IN ONE HORRIFYING INCIDENT AFTER ANOTHER. GUNS ALLOW FOR KILLING WITHOUT HAVING TO BE STANDING CLOSE TO THE VICTIMS. THEY ARE IN AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT CATEGORY.
      BTW, DEXTER MORGAN IS A FICTIONAL CHARACTER. THIS INSANITY IS ALL TOO REAL.

      • Anonymous

        Two words…Oklahoma City

        • Anonymous

          I WOULD PUT BOMBS IN THE SAME CATEGORY AS GUNS SO I DO NOT DISAGREE WITH YOU. HOWEVER, BOMB-MAKING REQUIRES A TYPE OF KNOWLEDGE AND PRECISION THAT MOWING PEOPLE DOWN WITH GUNS DOES NOT. IN THE LATTER INSTANCE, ALL YOU NEED IS GOOD AIM.

          • 3rd rail

            Not even a good aim if it’s a semi automatic.

          • Anonymous

            WHY ARE YOU YELLING?

          • Anonymous

            I won’t even go into about bomb making. To someone that is determined and the shooter was if anything determined they can find all that they need to make any number of different types of bombs very easily.

            And I also have to ask why are you YELLING?

        • Anonymous

          2 more….Twin Towers

          • Anonymous

            No argument from me.

      • Isaac Chroner

        Cavemen beat each other with sticks, 9/11, actually there was a school attack in the 1920s or 1930s (I can’t remember) the janitor built a bomb in the school and blew up 50 people, then set a car bomb off…

        IN THE 1920s/30s.

        • Anonymous

          It’s true unfortunately that things like this occur and have been occurring for far longer than most realize. In the present day a tragedy like this one is out for the world to see as soon as cameras are on site.

      • Anonymous

        I have right to protect myself and my family..no more or less a right than the murderer has to murder….the murderer can murder if he wants….I can stop him if I want….it seems the discussion should be more about limiting the amount of murderers, not the people who want to stop a murderer….

    • Anonymous

      Yet most conservatives would scream to the high heavens for a single dime of tax increase to help the mentally ill. They would rather them be locked up in prison where there is little or no hope of them ever getting the psychatric care that may help them lead productive lives and handle their illness.

      • Isaac Chroner

        I honestly believe – as a conservative – I think people who have mental instability, pederasts, and others who want to do ill will to people should be carted off and rehabilitated – not jailed. its cheaper to rehabilitate people but in most cases they will re-offend. jail isn’t an answer and it won’t again stop people from doing what they want to do.

      • Anonymous

        um, newsflash…we ALL pay an unthinkable amount of money to assist, research and help the caregivers of this population….money aint the issue.
        I challenge anyone to look at the federal budget or thier own state budget and look at the amount of money we spend on the mentally ill, whether those incarcerated or living in society……

    • Anonymous

      and a whacko could decide he is going to run his car into a bunch of people on a sidewalk. I am with you on this. To me, people in schools are sitting ducks. More armed people IN the school would make those children safer. If somebody gets into a school, unless that school has a resource officer, there is NOBODY there with the means to protect the children and staff. The general “plan” is “hide.” Boy, if that doesn’t make you feel safe….and I work in a school.

      • Isaac Chroner

        duck and cover wasn’t it? LOL

      • Anonymous

        As a Vietnam veteran I am quite versed and opposed to dehumanizing people with slanderous labels such as whacko or gooks. It made
        it easier to do my job back then but speaks little to me as a person and my religious beliefs that I abandoned for service to my country.

        What makes our country so great are the precious freedoms that I thought I was fighting for as a young man in a strange land on the other side of the globe.

        Hiding behind bars, sacrificing freedoms, and being paralyzed by a militarized police force is not a workable option. Intelligent dialog and
        resolutions are. President Obama is wrong to make any inferences at this time until we the people (not the national media) have time to determine the course of dialog.

    • Anonymous

      Respectfully Sir/Madam Conservative,

      You are most correct, President Obama has already leaned towards
      Gun Control. This breaks my liberal heart as much as it does your conservative ticker. Sick people kill others be it by knives, guns, or bare hands.

      How do we elevate an intelligent dialog beyond gun control to that of how we address proper care and treatment for these sick people? Dorothy Dix must be rolling in her grave.

      In order to have that dialog we have to force discussion from the handful of news corporations that exist to control our national discussion for our self-serving two party political systems.

    • Anonymous

      I find your comment the one to attach my own to. Because in so many ways, I agree with you. Our forefathers gave us the right to bear arms. However, I wonder if they ever envisioned automatic weapons that could fire a large number of rounds per second or minute.

      I would love to see two things come out of this tragedy. One would be a lot more dollars available for mental health care and education. Neurobioscience is a science still very much in its infancy. We have so very much to learn and it is going to take time, money, and research. What we do know is that those who have been correctly diagnosed with various disorders have different brain activity than those without. In the future, I hope we can develop better testing for these neurobiological disorders and better treatment. Insurance companies today limit the number of mental health admissions and visits. These same insurance companies have forced the price of this care beyond the means of most without insurance, yet it is these very folks who are likely to be unemployed, homeless, and uninsured, yet only eligible for minimal state provided coverage. Every dollar we save on state subsidized care has a corresponding cost in human suffering.

      The second thing I would like to see is at the least an immediate moratorium on the sale of semi automatic and automatic weapons for private citizens. I don’t see the necessity for such weapons in the private sector until we can develop some system to keep them out of the hands of someone who is mentally unstable. I would be all for keeping ANY weapons out of the hands of someone who is likely to use them for unintended purposes. Yet, I am the first to admit, I have no good idea to proceed with this, but I do believe it should start with a consortium of mental health professionals, police and responsible gun owners, with no influence from lobby interests, either gun lobbies or insurance lobbies.

      • 3rd rail

        So, basically you want to create another so called ‘mental health issue’ because the real problems are to simple.

        Notice how all these shooters come from good backgrounds, educated parents and even educated themselves. It must really make some feel unnerve in a certain segment of society.

        Their false notions, and even utopias are crumbling all around them.

        Well, what the heck, we all gotta eat.

        • Anonymous

          The very last thing I want to do is create another mental health issue. What I do want, is to EFFECTIVELY address the issues that exist and that have had funding cut with great fanfare by ignorant politicians. Ask the folks in Newtown, CT if the savings of mental health dollars was really worth it? Look at the mentally ill homeless on our streets and ask yourself how much was really saved. When one of those persons commits any crime, their trial and incarceration immediately offsets the dollar amount that was saved. In the long run, the savings is really just another cost in dollars and suffering sometimes borne by those who never had any say in the system.

      • Anonymous

        When the second amendment was written, we had muzzle-loaded, single-shot rifles and pistols. I can’t believe that the men who wrote the second amendment would have been supportive of weapons capable of killing dozens of people in a few minutes. They couldn’t have been that callous.

    • Anonymous

      I wonder if Adam Lanza took his mother’s gun from her cold, dead hand. Probably not. But he did use at least one of her bullets on her, then used 100 more on a school full of six year old kids.

  • Anonymous

    All we have to do is look at History, Mass murder is all over the world, just look at Syria over 40k dead, jones twon(jim jones) use poison kool-aid, husan use chemical weapons, hitler use his army, manson used other people, banning guns will not fix the problem, just look at past leaders of china, Kahn ect….. Guns are also to protect ourselves agains an out of control govt.

    • Anonymous

      Mass murder is NOT “all over the world.” It happens in industrialized countries that shove state religions down people’s throats.

      When it comes to individual citizens going on mass-killing rampages, no other country outdoes the U.S. Likewise, no other country has as many right-wing Christian nuts. Nor was any other country founded by Christian nuts (called “Puritans”).

      • Anonymous

        And how does religion figure into the equation?

        • Anonymous

          Traditional religion is super violent. Why wouldn’t people following a super violent religion be violent? Is this really that hard to understand? Let’s move to a religion that’s not violent.

          • Anonymous

            There is no cause and affect relationship that I have seen positively demonstrated to date.

          • Anonymous

            Yeah? Name one 10-year-period, since it’s beginning, that this nation has been uninvolved in a war.

          • Anonymous

            1676-1689
            1713-1744
            1814-1836
            1748-1861
            1865-1898
            1898-1817
            1918-1941

            There’s seven…any other questions?

          • Anonymous

            Yes. Why did you leave out the Indian Wars? Here are just a few. I could add those from the colonial period:

            Texas–Indian Wars (1836–1877)

            Comanche Wars (1836–1877)

            Red River War (1874–1875)

            Buffalo Hunters’ War (1876–1877)

            Cayuse War (1848–1855)

            Apache Wars (1849–1924)

            Jicarilla War (1849–1855)

            Chiricahua Wars (1860–1886)

            Tonto War (1871–1875)

            Renegade Period (1879–1924)

            Victorio’s War (1879–1880)

            Geronimo’s War (1881–1886)

            Yuma War (1850–1853)

            Ute Wars (1850–1923)

            Provo War (1850)

            Walker War (1853–1854)

            Black Hawk’s War (1865–1872)

            White River War (1879)

            Bluff War (1914–1915)

            Sioux Wars (1854–1891)

            First Sioux War (1854)

            Dakota War (1862)

            Colorado War (1863–1865)

            Red Cloud’s War (1866–1868)

            Great Sioux War (1876–1877)

            Ghost Dance War (1890–1891)

            Rogue River Wars (1855–1856)

            Yakima War (1855–1858)

            Puget Sound War (1855–1856)

            Coeur d’Alene War (1858)

            Mohave War (1858–1859)

            Navajo Wars (1858–1864)

            Yavapai Wars (1861–1875)

            Snake War (1864–1869)

            Hualapai War (1865–1870)

            Modoc War (1872–1873)

            Nez Perce War (1877)

            Bannock War (1878)

            Crow War (1887)

            Bannock Uprising (1895)

            Yaqui Uprising (1896)

            Battle of Sugar Point (1898)

            Crazy Snake Rebellion (1909)

            Last Massacre (1911)

            Battle of Kelley Creek (1911)

          • Anonymous

            If I remember you original post correctly, you asked for “Name one 10-year-period, since it’s beginning, that this nation has been uninvolved in a war.”

            From 1918 to 1941 is a period of 23 years which is far more than you asked. Even if you use the 1939 date when Germany invaded Poland that still 21 years without war where we were not involved in a war.

            Again, any further questions?

          • Anonymous

            No, no more questions. And congratulations! You found one 23-year-period in its almost-400-year history that this country has not been at war!

          • Anonymous

            You should always know the answer to a question before you ask it.

          • Anonymous

            Hey, congratulations! You found a 23-year stretch out of 400 years when this country didn’t do war! Of course, that’s because by 1918, the Europeans who’d invaded the place had finally exterminated all the natives.

          • Anonymous

            Please see my comment/reply to you above. There are plenty of non-violent religious in the US right now.

          • Anonymous

            Your comment is inaccurate. See my comment above, to your comment above. And we haven’t even talked about the Amish man who brutally murdered his wife this year.

          • Anonymous

            Wow! The BDN has scotched two of my comments here! Guess there’s censorship in the U.S. when it comes to telling the truth about Christianity! Good old freedom of speech lives on at the BDN!

            Wonder if you’ll scotch this one too:

            “Every survey ever undertaken of the composition of the criminal population reveals a percentage of the avowedly religious higher than a random sample of the population will show” (George B. Vetter 1973, Magic and Religion: Their Origins and Consequences, New York: Philosophical Library, pp 479-80).

        • Anonymous

          religion does not figure into his/her equation… hate for people who call on God does though…

      • Anonymous

        people that blame religion are way, way, way farther from the answer of yesterdays tragedy than those who have God as thier foundation to life

        • Anonymous

          Yeah? What’s your proof for that?

          • Anonymous

            You made the original accusation. The burden of proof is in your court.

          • Anonymous

            Not if the counter- argument is also iffy.

          • Anonymous

            Sigh. Okay. For which of my statements do you want proof? That “mass murder is not ‘all over the world.'”?

            The one about mass murder happening “in industrialized countries that shove state religions down people’s throats.”?

            This one? “When it comes to individual citizens going on mass-killing rampages, no other country outdoes the U.S.”

            This one? “Likewise, no other country has as many right-wing Christian nuts.”

            Or this one: “Nor was any other country founded by Christian nuts (called “Puritans”).”

      • Anonymous

        People talk about the “violent” religious such as the right wing Christians, but never seem to talk about the several million Plain people in this country such as the Amish, Mennonites, or Quakers that quietly, but steadfastly, renounce all violence in the name of God.

        Edited to add: I myself am agnostic, but having read the reader comments in the Bangor Daily News for a few years now, I have come to the conclusion that there is a real element in Bangor, if not Maine as a whole, at least people who read and comment here, that goes beyond merely being non-religious, and towards actively attacking people who are religious. It’s this above kind of comment that I have in mind. There are lots of non-violent religious people among us, even if I myself am not terribly religious. This downright hostility towards religion is no more helpful than the attitudes of the southern, right-wingers.

        • Anonymous

          As for the Amish and Mennonites, there aren’t “millions” of them, but less than nine hundred thousand (see “Anabaptist” in Wikipedia). And no one has a clue what goes on inside their communities, because they won’t let anyone get near them.

          As for Quakers, there aren’t even 100,000 of them in the U.S. And do you have statistics on crime among them? All I know is that Richard Nixon was a Quaker.

          I’m not saying ditch religion. I’m saying find a religion that doesn’t have the blood of millions of people on its hands. The Abrahamaic religions are going to be the death of the human species if we continue to hide our heads in the sand about how bloodthirsty and violent they all three are.

    • Anonymous

      look at syria is right we are the ones giving $ and weapons to muslim terrorists so they can kill innocent syrian civilians.

    • Anonymous

      I’ve even heard of death by poor grammar and sentence construction … have you?

  • Anonymous

    There is no Why, no excuse or reason.

    • FELT

      There are wars without end…it is the Brave New World we thought would never happen.

  • Anonymous

    A man did the same thing in china Thursday with a knife. A knife….

  • I belive there should be more help fot the mentally ill. The Carter adm stopped letting people to be able to commit someone that really needs the help. Insurance won’t pay for long term help for the people who do want it. It is very sad toh ear about the childrens deaths and the adults.

  • Anonymous

    Mr. President,
    I am as liberal as liberal should be and this is NOT ABOUT GUN CONTROL. It is about our total abandonment of mental health care for a system of incarceration and self medication. A most costly one for state and local governments. The homeless you see in every city are my witnesses. Mr. President if you make this about anything other than our failed mental health care, then you sir are the political beast which you espouse not to be.

    • 3rd rail

      Problem is this kid was not mentally ill in the traditional sense. Just angry. And there is plenty of help out there if you want it. Just have to ask for it. And of course realize you need the help.

      The kids mother was simply an enabler, interesting how she had 5 guns in her house. Sounds like poor decision making, and my guess is she could have never taught at a higher grade level.

      • Anonymous

        Don’t be so quick to jump to conclusions. I have seen more than one report from “unnamed sources” that are saying the shooter had a “personality disorder”. What the “personality disorder” is or could be is not being discussed yet.

        • 3rd rail

          Oh yeah, by the time this thing is over the slant will be as good as the NRA’s.

          You both like to use and hype ‘mental illness’.

          • Anonymous

            “According to ABC News, Adam Lanza, the alleged shooter, has been labeled as having “mental illness” and a “personality disorder.” These are precisely the words typically heard in a person who is being “treated” with mind-altering psychiatric drugs.”

            Do you ever apply critical thinking?

          • Guest

            What is your particular disorder? I’m “assuming” you have one.

          • 3rd rail

            Think of me as your board therapist.
            We gonna get your mind right.

        • Anonymous

          and what meds are used to treat ‘personality disorders’? to the tune of how many millions (billions?) in annual profits to massive pharma corporations?

          • Anonymous

            Jack I am not saying that he was or wasn’t now or in the past on prescribed medication. All I am trying to get across to you is your trying to place blame on an industry in the absence of evidence that he was now or in the past on medication.

            Do you always jump to conclusions so quickly?

          • Anonymous
          • Anonymous

            Last time I checked being the member of any political party was not considered a “personality disorder”.

          • Anonymous

            I never heard Charlie Webster opine that.

          • Anonymous

            This is not necessarily directed at you pipe but this is NOT about politics.

            This was a heinous crime perpetrated by an individual who shot his mother and proceeded to go to her place of employment (either full or part time), shot the principal, a teacher and at least four other adults and then proceeded to murder innocent children in the classroom where his mother allegedly worked.

            It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see that this person had a deep seated resentment towards his mother given the fact he shot her in the face and then murdered the very people that were closest to her next to her family.

            So once again America stands by shocked that an event like this happens and will look for answers while blaming guns, religion, politics, political parties, etc…and ignoring the simple fact that someone somewhere likely saw something that if reported may have stopped this event from happening.

      • Anonymous

        The traditional sense of mental illness? Wow!!! That would be simple to fix with a traditional mental
        illness pill. How nice. Help available amounts to plenty of police, plenty of homeless
        shelters, and plenty of jail cells. Parent blaming seems to be our national
        pastime and not getting us anywhere. Unfortunately parents have less influence
        on their children than their friends, scary, but true. But, let not facts cloud
        the issue. Our state and town coffers are full of money for more jails, more prisons,
        more police, more crime, more failed lives, more failed families, more
        security, more graves. You win!

        • 3rd rail

          Gee really, will guess what your part of that culture that let it happen. Blame yourself, and stop looking for the easy way out, your little pink pill. Be pro-active, and take some responsibility for your co-dependency your dysfunctional existence, and might I dare say generational dysfunction.

          • Anonymous

            The personal attacks fueled by your dialog speaks much to the issue at hand. Your example, void of reasonable dialog, speaks volumes to our broken system. God bless you and may your testimony open the minds of many.

          • 3rd rail

            Please, go away and grow up some.

          • Guest

            Why don’t you. Your posts are utter nonsense.

          • Anonymous

            Agreed.

        • Anonymous

          A friend decided not to be tough on her kids, when they cried and whined and threw little fits, out came ice cream bars or some cookies and eventually a promise of buying a toy they were throwing the fit about or just allowed to continue their kicking things, banging their heads, screaming.
          When my sisters kids tried to act that way, that got sent to their room, extra chores, restricted to the yard and maybe even a slap on the butt.
          My friends kids have both been arrested for stealing, driving drunk, assult, one lives off his girlfriend whose on welfare, both have kids out of wedlock.
          My sisters kids have gone on to be a nurse and an EMT. Never been arrested, fined or have been in any kind of trouble, they do not have kids out of wedlock or been on welfare.
          Are you saying my sister and her husband are not at fault for how their kids turned out?

          • Anonymous

            The fact is that parents have less influence on their children than the kids (friends) the children hang with. Sad but true. I have very successful children and it takes the wind out of my sails. But, I thank their friends and the fact I did my best to expose them to people I favored as positive influences.

            Here are some other facts:
            A Report by the National Alliance on Mental Illness 1

            One in 17 people in America lives with a serious mental illnesses such as schizophrenia, major depression, or bipolar
            disorder. ABOUT ONE IN TEN CHILDREN live with a serious mental disorder.

            In recent years, the worst recession in the U.S. since the Great
            Depression has dramatically impacted an already inadequate public mental health system. From 2009 to 2011, massive cuts to
            non-Medicaid state mental health spending totaled nearly $1.6 billion dollars. And, deeper cuts are projected in 2011 and 2012. States have cut vital services for tens of thousands of youth and adults living with the most serious mental illness. These services include community and hospital based psychiatric care, housing and access to medications. To make matters worse, Medicaid funding of mental health services is also potentially on the
            chopping block.

            http://www.google.com/url?sa=t

          • Anonymous

            Then may I take it as yes parents have a lot to do with how their children turn out. Such as who their kids hang out with and how their time is spent.
            I’m not denying there are issues that are medical. But it is wrong to medicate kids because they are going through a sad time. A friend told me she was putting her kid on meds because she was doing bad in school because she and the father divorced and she moved 200 miles away. I said the kid doesn’t need meds, she needs time to adjust and taught how to handle it. So on the meds the kid went and then the nightmare happened,

          • Anonymous

            I raised two, less than two years between them. Same rules,punishments, rewards, etc. One has a Masters degree and is self-sufficient, never been arrested, no substance abuse problems. One – totally different story. Am I both to be congratulated and blamed?

          • Anonymous

            I don’t know,but I do know this, they are different people and you can’t treat them the same.
            It would be bad to try to make them be the same.

      • Anonymous

        Wow..you have the medical report before anyone else huh? Wow….

      • Guest

        You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
        How do you know he was not mentally ill , explain how people are or are not mentally ill in the traditional sense.

        • 3rd rail

          Ah, the peanut gallery awakens.
          Welcome to our nightmare.

          • Guest

            You are the nightmare.

          • 3rd rail

            I’m only here to help you.

          • Anonymous

            So yours is a grandiose personality disorder I take it. How very Rush Limbaugh of you.

    • Anonymous

      Huh?

  • Kathleen March

    This is less an issue of guns than about violent people. The only way to really understand is to look at the bigger picture. This incident is not an isolated one. Why do humans (not just in the US) feel killing is the way to solve/resolve/end their problems? Why do people think they have the right or need to use force to acquire what they want? Individuals, companies, national governments need to think about this. Until they do, there will be war, lots of it, on a small and on a very large scale.

    • Davida Willette

      why dont you look at violence in video games. too many cop shows on tv with violence

    • Anonymous

      I’m glad I don’t understand the “why” behind people who kill, be it 1 murder or 30. If I understood it would mean I’m as messed up as they are. The plain fact is that humans killing humans is an unnatural act and shows a mental deficiency of some sort. Be glad you don’t understand the “why” of such actions.

      • Anonymous

        You will find your answer at the end of an old movie named “ANZIO” but, I don’t think you will like what you find there.

    • PabMainer

      Spot on comments…..there is an evilness in minds that results in behaviors like this……from road rage to the extreme as in this horrific event it is becoming unthinkable…..

    • Anonymous

      This is absolutely an issue about guns – they make violent people that much more dangerous. The ‘bigger picture’ here is that this country needs to get the gun situation under control once and for all. We’ve allowed ourselves to be hijacked by a wacky, paranoid, tough-guy minority who seem to think that shooting is the solution to every problem.

      I respect the fact that we have a 2nd amendment that protects the right to bear arms. I see nothing in the constitution that guarantees the right to purchase ammunition. I’d like to see ammo regulated. You’d need a license to purchase it, and it would be marked and traceable to the person who bought it.

      • Anonymous

        This is absolutely not an issue about guns. Violent people are violent with or without guns. You suggest that if guns were made illegal, then somehow violence would cease. Was there murder, rape, violent crime, war, etc. before gun powder? If guns or ammo were illegal, this guy would have got them illegally, or he would have found another way. He was bent on breaking the law. Do you think a murderer is going to worry about traceable ammunition?

        Look up the statistics-an armed society is safer. Cities in this country with gun bans have the highest crime rate. Most countries that ban their citizenry from having guns are totalitarian, and they ban free speech, freedom of worship, and freedom from unreasonable search and seizure too. Their courts are a farce.

        Sadly, two or three times a year a wackjob does what this guy did, and people cry about all of the guns; everyday someone defends themselves, their family, or their property with a gun, but rarely does the media bring it to light.

  • Anonymous

    Obviously, this is a horrible tragedy. My heart bleeds for these families.

    However, when I saw Obama wiping “tears” fro his eyes I was physically sick. This guy has the blood of hundreds, hundreds, of innocent women and children on his hands via drone strikes. Not to mention innocent women and children in Mexico from fast and furious….the ” liberals” who when W was in office were anti war. Yet, Obama can murder with impunity? Truly amazing. Thank e fake two,party paradigm and the stupidity of the average American.

  • Anonymous

    This has nothing to do with gun control, someone could get a gun if they wanted to somehow or someway. It boils down to this, Evil walks on our Earth and its very very sad & disturbing. I dont know where we all go from here, its just getting worse all the time. You cant even feel safe to send your children to school anymore or even walk down the streets of Bangor in fear of others. Mental illness or just born Evil? Im not a Doctor but I say these people are just born Evil. Yes mental illness contributes to it, but there are lots of people with mental illness and they dont do these things, they always point to that, well its just an Evil person who deveolps the mental illnesses thats how I feel.. So sad for these families & friends & the community. Many prayers their way.

  • Anonymous

    When are people going to start questioning big pharma and the myriad of drugs they peddle on our youth to the tune of BILLIONS every year?

    20 years ago we weren’t giving our kids prozac, zoloft, paxil, welbutrin, etc. to the extent that we are now. It’s well known that there are serious side effects from these drugs and treatments http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/side-effects/201009/medicating-children-why-controversy-still-flares-over-early-detection

    it’s a bit curious that increased violence with our youth corresponds with the massive uptick in medicating them with drugs that weren’t around a few decades ago…

    • Anonymous

      And who says he had or was taking ANY medication?

      • Anonymous

        oh please…it will come out that the guy had a history of mental illness, and ‘everyone just missed all the warning signals’ (i.e. they gave him a script and sent him on his way). And I am not simply reffering to this incident, the list of mass killings performed by those who were on mind altering prescriptions from big pharma is exhausting…
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhO0Pul_FcE&feature=youtu.be
        do you really want to determine the reason for mass killings and viloence in America or are you going to be like Michael Moore in Bowling for Columbine and simly skip over the big pharma medication factor?
        it’s pretty disgusting that the liberals of this country could care less about finding the true cause and instantly jump on the gun ban train when it is overwhelmingly evident that guns laws do NOT prevent violence

        • Anonymous

          Oh please….jumping to conclusions helps NOTHING.

          There have been one or two unconfirmed reports of a “personality disorder” and nothing else.

          Your placing blame just like those “liberals” you say are blaming the gun.

        • Guest

          Unless you know this on a personal level meaning you know the shooter you are merely making an assumption. That is what is wrong with people today, they assume without knowing anything.

  • Anonymous

    Actually, asking “why” is pointless, and perhaps even harmful. Isn’t it obvious that the characteristics these shooters share are anti-social mental illnesses? Asking why just feeds the illness.

    The media is the problem. Its constant hype and handwringing is feeding the delusional in this society, giving them notorious attention and infamy.

  • Anonymous

    I remember my babies faces when I checked on them while they slept. At 5
    years of age, they still had baby cheeks and the innocence that comes
    with total trust in the world and everyone they knew. They were
    vulnerable and sweet, even after some daytime shenanigans. Their trust,
    and lack of fear in society came from us, their parents and protectors.
    They would never suspect that anything but good things were coming
    their way…..school and friends, playing with their buddies, birthdays
    and Christmas, camping trips, a great pizza, visits with cousins and
    other relatives, favorite movies, hours of outdoor and playground fun.
    Life for a 5 year old is innocent and beautiful, in most cases, at least
    it was in my family. I can’t explain what happened yesterday. All I
    know is that a HUGE trust has been breached. Our babies are not safe.
    Evil permeated the loving and trusting lives of those babies and their
    families. It absolutely has to stop, whatever it takes. This not
    forgettable or forgivable.

  • Anonymous

    Heroin and cocaine are illegal, yet easier than guns to purchase. If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have them.

  • Anonymous

    NBC reported this morning that the guns found at the scene had been purchased legally by the killer’s mother.

    This is NOT a gun issue. The issue is why does somebody want to kill. Why do they kill 20 little kids. If he had no access to guns (again, the guns were purchased legally by his mother according to the report this morning), he would have found another way (home made bomb, etc) to kill people if that is what he was intent on doing…..If somebody does not care whether they live or die, it is very hard to stop them from inflicting serious damage.

    Mayor Bloomberg can yap all he wants to, but these guns were not purchased illegally. There doesn’t seem to be a story there, but Bloomberg (like Bob Costas) will use ANY tragedy to yap about gun control when that is not the answer to what happened yesterday….or when an NFL player kills his girlfriend and himself.

    Society has been crumbling for 30 years, and we blame access to guns for all of our problems……..I don’t think so.

    • 3rd rail

      The question then is, if he goes to that school with a knife, does he take out 26 in less then 5 minutes ?

      We are not looking for solutions on either side of the issue, where looking for excuses.

      • Anonymous

        Date line 12/14/2012 “Villager slashes 22 kids with knife at elementary school gates in China”

        “There was a particular string of knife attacks against schoolchildren
        across the country in early 2010 that killed nearly 20 and wounded more
        than 50.

        In one incident that year, a man slashed 28 children, two teachers and a security guard in a kindergarten in eastern China.”

        http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/14/15901085-villager-slashes-22-kids-with-knife-at-elementary-school-gates-in-china?lite

        • 3rd rail

          Slashed or Killed ? (yeah I thought so)

          Next up..

          • Anonymous

            Facts are just so inconvenient aren’t they “3”.

      • Anonymous

        one more gun on the scene and none (or verylittle) damage could have been the result. What is he story today if as soon as this murderer broke into the locked door and entered the school, he was immediatley killed by a teacher with a concealed carry. Again, what is the story today if that is the news this morning…..not 26 dead, but one mentally ill murderer dead….and a massacre avoided..

        • 3rd rail

          Only in a perfect world. My guess is teacher with gun surprised, and dead. Gun or no gun.

          • Anonymous

            How many mass school shootings has Israel had say in the past 10 years?

        • Anonymous

          you are so misguided son. typical bs rhetoric , one more gun etc. — look up the lakewood wash police killings, All four were in full uniform, armed, and wearing bulletproof vests.

          • Anonymous

            “Bulletproof vests” are not bullet proof. And the last time I checked Ballistic Vests do not cover the torso 100% and have provide no protection to other very vulnerable areas of the body.

        • Anonymous

          Think about what you are saying. Can you really imagine Mrs. Smith, the friendly, loving elementary school teacher, getting her little first graders in a reading circle or having a share-and-tell class all the while carrying a gun. What a world!

    • Anonymous

      Your conclusion is exactly where we need to begin our dialog… our “society has been crumbling for 30-years.” My question to you and other readers; “is it possible to have a responsible dialog on this matter elevated above that forced on us by a handful of corporate news organizations whom control the national discussion for our self-serving two party political system?

    • How has society been “crumbling” for 30 years? I’d love to hear it.

    • Guest

      Please tell us exactly how our society has been crumbling since 1982 when Ronald Reagan was president.

    • Anonymous

      It is a gun issue. The guns used evidently were purchased legally by the mother who became a victim of her own guns although that may have taken only one shot. The guns used can fire many rounds in a very short time greatly increasing their lethality. These weapons are not sport weapons. They are people killers. A deranged individual intent on killing can do just that, but how many people would have been killed with a bolt-action rifle or a six-shot pistol? Limiting guns to those actually used for hunting or sport-shooting would have reduce the number of people killed enormously. Of all those children murdered, many of them would be alive today if we did not allow guns of such lethality to be sold.

      • Anonymous

        “A deranged individual intent on killing can do just that, but how many
        people would have been killed with a bolt-action rifle or a six-shot
        pistol?”

        Well first off a “deranged individual intent on killing” will find another means to accomplish their goal. I’m not going to go into where or how but the information is easily found in many forms.

        A bolt action with a magazine can be easily reloaded and a “six-shot” pistol can be reloaded in seconds with “speed-loaders” or a bit longer with “speed strips”.

        • Anonymous

          I know that we as a society value “gun rights” more than we value human life, but what if reasonable gun control measures had been able to save half of the children murdered in Connecticut? I think it is indisputable that allowing these types of weapons to be freely available in our country has resulted in many, many more deaths than otherwise would be the case.

          I would think that the overly zealous defenders of “gun rights” would have to be somewhat conscience-stricken, at least a little. If they are not, shame on them.

        • Anonymous

          Let’s say that even with an easily reloaded bolt action rifle or revolver, a killer can still accomplish his goal, but I don’t think he can kill as many as he could with the weapons Adam Lanza apparently used. So fewer would have been killed and some of those now dead would still be alive. I know that the overly zealous defenders of “gun rights” value those “rights” more than they do human life, but I still think they should feel a little conscience-stricken. Maybe they don’t, but if they don’t, then shame on them.

  • Davida Willette

    the really should look into shooting violence in video games it entices the apeptite to kill.

    • Speaking of appetite – alcohol, tobacco and unhealthy diets kill more Americans every year than shooting violence. Shall we ban vices while we’re at it?

  • Davida Willette

    i think video games with shooting violence shold be banned

    • How absurd. Of the hundreds of millions across the world that enjoy violent video games, how many have committed murder? How many people who watch violent movies have committed murder?

      If you look at history, the biggest losses of human life on this earth came long before violent video games. Try again.

    • Isaac Chroner

      what about games like bubble safari…

  • Davida Willette

    you could get something like this in maine two triple murders this year. several murders over all drugs .

  • Let our hearts be broken for the families and friends left behind in Newtown… and across the US. May our minds focus on the goodness of our Lord who was there to pick up the broken children and adults… and was there to welcome into the safety of His loving arms. May we all find peace and solice and comfort through Him who is the hope of each of us.
    Do not give wasted thought upon the ‘who did it’ and the ‘why.’ It’s not a matter of owning or not owning guns… it’s on helping those who have mental and anger issues. Not all people should be punished for such happenings.
    Bless each of you… and hug your family a little closer today… and tomorrow.

  • Anonymous

    we need to follow texas teachers carry guns sign on front of school this is a gun zone.
    gun free zones are dead zones.

  • Anonymous

    gun free zones are dead zones. teachers need to carry guns just like texas.schools

  • Anonymous

    Ok, I haven’t commented on here in a while because people seem to go into a lather when you bring up anything about the role of God in world events. However, I have one simple statement that I know is true to my core – Take God out of our schools, our communities and society as a whole (as seems to be the trend more these days than ever), and this is what you’re going to get. Time to wake up and give this nation back to the One whose principles it was founded on in the first place. It’s as easy as that. If not, brace yourselves – it’s going to get a whole lot worse. Period.

  • Anonymous

    Why did this happen? Simple: most in America follow a Guide Book for living jam-packed with almost nothing but violence. A small sample:

    The god Nick worships said, “Take your son Alex, the son you love dearly, knife him to death, and then roast his body over a fire.” Genesis 22:2

    So Nick took a kitchen knife, and got ready to slit his son’s throat. Genesis 22:10

    The god Brittany worshiped thought she was bad, so he killed her. Genesis 38:7

    The god Andy worshipped told him that if he didn’t do what he said, he would kill Andy’s son Logan. Exodus 4:23

    The god Amanda worshipped got mad, and so he went through the city she lived in and killed the oldest child in each household, including her three-year-old Madison. Exodus 12:12

    The god Claire worships waited until midnight last year, then killed the oldest child in each household in her country. Exodus 12:29

    And this is just the first two books out of 66. There’s lots more where this came from.

    • 3rd rail

      You left out ‘pimping ain’t easy’ .

      Well, I must say that blame is a new one.

      Next up..

      • Anonymous

        Can’t really argue with the premise, can you.

        • 3rd rail

          Why would I want to. It’s a waste of energy. I like the easy ones like drugs, violent video games and a society that can’t figure out if they likes boys or girls.

          • Anonymous

            IMO, “I won’t counter your argument because it’s a waste of energy” is short for: “You’re right.”

  • Anonymous

    Signs should be posted around the school that read:

    “The teachers and administrators of this school are armed and trained in deadly force. Anybody attempting to enter the school intending to do harm will be shot on sight

    Read more: http://politicaloutcast.com/2012/12/the-solution-to-our-nations-gun-problem/#ixzz2F8Pmj4E7

  • Anonymous

    As horrific as this is, we all know that this will fire up all the anti-gun loons, like Bloomberg et al.
    And, the fact that all three guns the perp had in his possession were legally purchased and owned by his now deceased mother.
    This entire incident has absolutely nothing to do with guns. It is rather, about the mental instability of one individual, who for reasons know only to he and God, departed from reality and committed this horribly insane, sensless act.
    There is no way any of us can possibly fathom the pain and anguish the parents and families of those killed now endure.

    • 3rd rail

      Bloomberg is a con ! Anything for a buck and a presence in the public sphere. He sheds the concern for these children but wanted to promote a race in the face of another tragedy.

      Well, this latest will up the Bloomberg News ratings.

  • Anonymous

    How long does it take to get a comment cleared from the admin? Come on……pathetic

  • Guest

    An assumption without knowing the facts. Did you know the family well enough to come to that unsubstantiated conclusion.
    (Capt. Smith)

    • 3rd rail

      More facts then I ever want to know. I live in society.
      Are you concern you may be the next unhinged killer ?

      • Guest

        Not at all. I treasure life. You however are the disturbed one as your posts suggest, Capt. Smith.

  • We need to take serious measures on gun control…. it worries me that some places they allow open carry

    • Anonymous

      Absolutely wrong!

      • NO!

        • Anonymous

          Maine is an open carry state, as are many others.
          And, if you actually believe that more gun control is the answer to incident’s such as this, you are truly delusional.

          • It stinks……

  • Guest

    That’s all you have, an empty and another unfounded accusation? You accuse anyone who doesn’t agree with you as having a substance abuse problem. I think that would indicate it is you with the problem and you are in severe denial. You need therapy Capt. Smith.
    .

    • 3rd rail

      Did you get up on the wrong side of the bed again ?
      Light one up, chill.
      Your in good hands.

      Remember I’m only here to help.
      (and spread some reality)

      • Guest

        Your need to be right causes you to mistreat others who disagree with you and it is leading you to many disparaging assumptions. You think because someone disagrees with you they are ignorant and you have a need to supply someone with all the ‘right’ information to change their minds and bring them into agreement with you.
        Then when you give them the information and it doesn’t change their mind you make the wrong assumption that they now are stupid.

        Fact is the people you think are stupid because they disagree with you are smart, some are ‘smarter’ and have acquired much knowledge.
        What happens is then you make the most dangerous ASSumption of all and you think someone is ‘evil’ and they are deliberately distorting the truth as you see it.

        All of us have egocentric minds and have difficulty in seeing another perspective especially if we disagree with them.

        Being open minded helps, when a person is willing to have one.

        • 3rd rail

          Are we displaying a persecution complex now ?
          Do you feel the world is against you, that nobody understands or appreciates you.

          • Guest

            Having trouble reading the truth bout yourself?
            The facts hurt and can’t be argued. Deal with it Capt. you appear to be the one here no ones agrees with.
            I’m moving on, you won’t and that’s your problem with having to be right.

          • 3rd rail

            Enjoy your ‘trip’…

  • Anonymous

    This community instead of blaming a nameless, faceless
    “evil” ought to instead look to itself and ask why it is that none of
    them helped this young man before he chose murder as a solution to his
    despair. They surround him now in order to condemn his actions, but
    where were they when this child needed their help?

  • Anonymous

    Michael Moore will make money from this.

    • Guest

      That is a stupid thing to say.

  • Kim Mathews

    I guess we need armed guards at all of our schools… since I read that he forced his way in. We need to protect our children with all means possible. Plus if we have gun control it won’t make sense at all because it doesn’t matter … criminals will find a way to find and have guns and we the innocent people will have no way to protect ourselves.

    • FELT

      there are other ways around security guards…see the Chowchilla Calif school bus kidnapping

  • Kim Mathews

    I have just read that he was buzzed in because he was the son of a colleague.

  • Homebake Aaron Myrtle

    My question is why give certain people guns, when it is clearly seen that people need mental checks before purchasing guns now a days. Guns are not the issue it’s people that hold the guns that are issue when having mental disorders. In case we haven’t forgotten James Homles was mental unstable when he killed in Colorado. So when doing buying a gun we should be doing 2 background checks aka mental disorder ones and criminal ones.

    • Anonymous

      Aaron…the shooter didn’t purchase any of the weapons used. He murdered his mother and took her guns. So how would a “mental disorder” or a “criminal” records check have prevented this heinous crime?

      Additionally another federal law would have to be modified to allow a healthcare professional to release protected health care information about ANY condition AND to allow the federal or state government to store that information. That law is called the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 and is more commonly called HIPAA.

      • Homebake Aaron Myrtle

        im referring to the future because a person that sinster could do it again.

        • Anonymous

          Do you really believe medical professionals aren’t going to fight having to give up private patient information to the federal government?

          • Homebake Aaron Myrtle

            honestly they should because look at that crazy James Holmes guy and that suicide homicide murder in Alton is a big reason. That is why the medical professionals should give the government information as in their social security number and use it as a red flag when purchasing guns when the person has been committed to a mental ward for harming him or herself or others and using the excuse of being mental unstable.

  • alf999

    He was painfully shy, awkward, thin, smart, nerdy, loner? HMMM He did’ nt by any chance happen to have been a student of any of the Teachers that he killed? Were iether of the classrooms his as a student? Was he BULLIED much like most of the other school shooters have been.It sounds like he was the perfect target for the future school jocks, The ones that throw sand in your face at recess and when you try to tell the teacher you get told to stop being such a horrid little tattletale. Parents are a hugh influence in you life, but so are your teachers and peers after all kids spend about 7 or 8 hours a day 5 days a week in school. Teaches claim to be there for you for 9 months of the school year then when you see them after that year they don’t even remember you, that can have a big impression on the younger students.

    • 3rd rail

      I’m sure by the time this investigation is over he will have been the most abused miss understood person since the world began.

      Books will be written, lectures given and perhaps even monuments erected.

      • Anonymous

        drug companies sell mental health drugs, listen to the side effects on the ads

        • Guest

          Have you ever seen a person with schizophrenia who has gone off his or her meds?
          Those meds while potent do more good than harm for many people who need them to control their disorders.
          Do you recall Perley Thibodeau? Perfect example of what happens when they stop their meds. It isn’t the meds that make them do the irrational stuff they do, it’s when they stop taking them that problems happen.

      • FELT

        …meanwhile more drones will be launched and more WMD distributed to everyone from Mexican drug cartels to those romantized Arab Rebels.

  • Anonymous

    Drugs or lack of them> You won’t hear about it from the BDN or anybody in authority have to get rid of the evil guns, just like we had to get rid of all the leathermen’s that tried to make it aboard the aircraft 9-11. We as a society have so forgotten personnel responsibility have to remove all temptations from facets of life. When the government Screws up (MTBE) whoops sorry about that and no one is blamed or held accountable.

  • Anonymous

    If you ar huring bad enough and you ar a loner, you might at some point want others to hurt as bad as you do and frankly nothing can cause deeper hurt than killing children. Being a loner you will want to be remembered, to be famous, that is usually the case of mass murders. So the worse thing the media can do is have a feeding frenzy n the murderer and keep his name alive. Ignore this guy. If you must tell us anything tell us about the victims when their families want to talk about them and when they are ready. Do this with all criminals and all victims. Don’t feed the egos of the criminals and encourage copy cats.

    • FELT

      Or if your role in an on-line game ‘rewards’ you for killing evil children with points or other booty, how does one cross the line over to planning and executing such an attack on a school?

      How many kids are there like him out there?

      Should we round them up and put them into some kind of rehab. clinic until they meet our standards for socially approved behavior?

      But what if he was a victim of social bullies, humiliated, etc.?

      This is a terrible, terrible thing to have happen. Columbine is happening over and over again.

      • Anonymous

        You are right how many more out there?It is not him being a Goth, it is not the computer games he played, not the music he liked, This was one very sick person. Remember these are not the loud and noisy ones, but the quiet ones we mostly never notice.

        As for Columbine, this was much worse, both in numbers and in helplessness of the victims, as teenagers stand a better chance of escaping then kindergarten kids. Regardless of how it happened that he became this way, it makes no excuse for what he had done. This is a monster.

        Most parents really don’t know a lot about their kids, they only know them as to how they seem to be acting when the parents around and as long as they are not seeming to get in trouble, they are only occasionally noticed.

        Even by five years of age, perhaps before, a kid has a secret life, inside. After age five the parents may have the least influence on how the kid will turn out. It was bad enough back in the fifties when one parent worked, but now when both parents work such long hours they have even less time to be aware. Plus frankly even under the best of circumstances few people are really vary good at being parents. Done right it is a full time job itself, spending most of the hours of the day observing your child, and talking with them a lot and getting to know them at least as well as a lover. It is far better not to become a parent until you are fully ready for that responsibility and better to never be a parent than to be a bad parent.

        We often claim the family is the basis for all good in society. It is equally true the family is the basis for all the evil in society. Both start in the family, this is where both good people are made and evil people and everything in between. An as noted by parents no two kids will react the same way to the same training, so you have to come up with different methods for each and every kid.

  • Anonymous

    I’m not a big gun guy, but this sick, insane, mentally deranged psycho had easy access to this Mothers guns. Maybe she even bought them for him. He used the guns she purchased to punish her by, in his unstable, sick mind, killing her innocent students. All this after he killed her. Short of banning ALL guns, how would solve this problem?

    • Anonymous

      mental health drugs are to blame here., Blame the drug companies.

      • Guest

        Do you know what medications he was taking? Every drug has a side effect. They have to list the side effects all the side effects even the low incident unusual ones.

  • Anonymous

    ..

  • Anonymous

    I wonder…. If these weapons were to be traced back to “Fast and Furious”, would we ever hear of the connection? I further wonder why we are not hearing about criminal control rather than gun control? Or who knew this guy was cracked and said nothing? I’ll bet we will hear of his “troubled” past. And how he was not responsible for all the bad things that happened. Time and diligent reporting will tell. But you will not find it in the MSM.

    • Anonymous

      They were his mothers guns. all legal, sweet little school teacher owned guns.

      • Guest

        Did you know the deceased? Do you know about her life and her son’s?
        You probably don’t and all you are doing is making an uneducated guess.

  • FELT

    Violence against children and schools in cyberspace, esp. in on-line gaming, is a new frontier for gamers, and was the subject of a UN sponsored ECPAT paper released in 2005, and the subject of numerous studies–“The most recent large scale meta-analysis, examining 130 studies with over 130,000 subjects worldwide, concluded that exposure to violent video games causes both short term and long term aggression in players and decreases empathy and prosocial behavior.”

    So if the perp. was like other gamer’s….I have no evidence he was an on-line gamer; then I feel it’s time to carefully examine the content and morality of on-line gaming.

    The other problem is a WHITE HOUSE agenda which just few days ago, authorized the distribution of weapons to Syrian rebels who have killed and injured many children; just as did similar ‘rebels’ in Libya and Egypt armed by the Obama administration.

    Then there is a President Obama who apparently sees no problem with the civilian casualties caused by his drones….many children have died from them, some say thousands…many others have been traumatized by missiles which destroyed their parents and neighbors.

    This is also a White House whose attorney General’s actions in selling automatic weapons to Mexican drug gangs resulted in the deaths of border guards and who knows how many others. Yet, he retains his job because he’s the presidents ‘bro’.

    So what do the youth of American learn from this hypocrisy and immoral leadership from Obama and his cronies? If ‘guns kill’ then why distribute them to the Arab rebels? If guns protect us from people who have them, why can’t we have them in our homes?

    Or is this just the result of LIBERALISM which puts control of violence and weapons in Government’s hands for use where ever it sees fit?

    …and this wasn’t a crime ridden urban area; but an affluent suburb…..scary isn’t it.

  • Anonymous

    Young people, especially young men growing up today & over the last several years, have access to many violent themes in movies & video games where they kill “people”. This has a desensitizing effect over a period of time. Add to that broken families and uninvolved parents and it’s not out of the realm of probability that something like this can happen. If one sort of weapon (guns) is not available, a person in such a state of mind will simply find another.

  • In regards to the photo of the little boy. He is warming up his hands, it was cold outside yesterday. Everyone is thinking he is in shock when all he is trying to do is keep warm.

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