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  • Anonymous

    What does having a female player and female managers have to do with ANYTHING??

    • Anonymous

      Think about it…

      • Anonymous

        Boop-boop-boop.

        “What we were looking for was ‘What is a menstrual cycle?’ OK. Denis, your move again…”

        • Scott Harriman

          I am not a woman, but I have lived with one (my wife) for several years.

          From what I can tell, the point she is at during her menstrual cycle does not have much of an impact on how often she needs to use the bathroom. That seems to be more closely related to how much food and drink she has consumed.

          • Anonymous

            I’m thinking it may be that one of the guys whipped it out to empty his bladder in a cup and the presence of the girls made it into something bigger than it would have been (so to speak.)

          • Anonymous

            THAT is just about what I thought of too … even if they weren’t nearby or in view … is enough to have triggered the whole issue.

          • The Great White Hope

            Ryan probably has no real world experience with a woman as he’s a shut in.

          • Anonymous

            Stick to the issue, just as I am.

    • Scott Harriman

      Those were my thoughts exactly. What a strange addition to the article.

  • Anonymous

    Some inspiration figure for young adults. I think some of these coaches get a kick out of making kids squirm.

  • Anonymous

    Why would they need a bathroom break between PI and Bangor? It is only 3 hours and there isn’t any place to stop after Houlton anyway unless they travel into a town.

    • There are plenty of places to stop between Houlton and PI.

      • thats only an hour still no need to stop.

        • Anonymous

          No need to stop. Unless of course, someone needs to use the restroom. That might be a good reason.

          • Anonymous

            Why would somebody feel the need to stop and use a restroom during the first hour of the ride since they’d just left a locker room with a restroom included in it? This is a non-story. Maybe they should stop for a pee break and maybe they don’t need to, but it’s not something worth all of us reading about. Maybe next time, when the kids are told to be sure and use the bathroom before they leave, they’ll actually do as they were told.

    • Anonymous

      You go through every town between Houlton and Presque Isle. There is plenty of opportunity to stop if one has to. You need to get out more often.

      • Anonymous

        That’s the first hour of the ride (Presque Isle to Houlton) you’re talking about. Why would someone need to use the restroom less than an hour since they’d just left one at the ice rink?

    • Anonymous

      rest area in Medway, last time I knew

  • sassyfrazz

    I have no idea what information I am to derive from this lengthy article “full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.”

    • Anonymous

      Macbeth!

      • Anonymous

        Wow, a school in CT gets shot up and this is a problem in Maine? Really??? Bus didn’t stop for pee stop??? Really, absurd.

        • Anonymous

          So suddenly all other news no longer exists?
          Also, it appears as though you haven’t grasped the idea of what it would be like if YOU were told that on a two- or three-hour trip you can’t ues a bathroom and then had to use one 30 minutes or an hour into that trip. But I suppose you wouldn’t find it humiliating if you were forced to pee your pants.

          • Anonymous

            MIssing the point ryanrobbins…didn’t post in support of a coach that didn’t know enough to stop for a pee break in Houlton on the way from Bangor to Presque Isle, EVERYBODY knows you stop in Houlton on the way up and on the way down! This story should not be getting headlines as it is minor in comparison to the reality of life in a small town in CT that was devastated yesterday, it should’ve only been discussed between Paul Butler and his hockey coach! There should be admonishment and the coach needs a reality check.

          • Anonymous

            What happened yesterday in Connecticut has no bearing on whether a newspaper in Maine reports on a matter of public concern in its hometown. More than one story is worthy of news coverage every day.

    • Anonymous

      HEY, how about a real story like what is going on with Lucy who has been on paid administrative leave for months. What is the school deparment doing with this crooked administrator?

      • sassyfrazz

        Oh I doubt we’ll ever hear anything about that. If enough time is spent ‘investigating’ it our ADHD nation will forget about it anyway. (oops. sarcasm filter off)

  • Peter Hyatt

    This reminds me of President Carter’s brother, Billy. He just had to make a stop somewhere, sometime…

  • Anonymous

    Why not wait for the whole story before printing anything about whatever the situation is? A little bit of this and that, leads to speculation and many things that aren’t true.

    • Anonymous

      What’s up with news media pattern of creating drama with no details? Do they count on keeping people on the edge of their seat and dependant on them for trickle updates? (can you say “Zumba”? And remember the recent story “Caribou 6-year girl badly burned”? With no details, what’s the normal reaction?….frantically checking with family & friends with 6 year old girls to ascertain their safety. I’m tired of the chaos and worry the media causes by jumping on a story before there’s a story. Too many families and innocent people have been harmed by this “print now, get facts later” theory!!!

  • Anonymous

    We used to ride to the county on Rt.2 before the interstate went any further than Stillwater in the 60’s. We were told to do our business before we got on the bus. How times have changed.

  • Anonymous

    Unfair of BDN to drag coach’s name into public before facts are known. Denis Collins has given thousands of hours coaching and most of it volunteer. This is no way for him to be treated in public. The BDN has no shame.

    • Anonymous

      They do it to everybody else, why not him.

    • Anonymous

      Head coach — a public “employee” — suspended. That kind of narrows down who it was, no?

  • Working Poor

    Can you say ,” witch hunt?”

  • Anonymous

    Coach suspended is news and should be in the paper. As for natural body fuctions, OH!!! my!!! Maybe the government can regulate that also.

  • Bev

    Really people? We have traveled to Bangor from as far up north as you can go, without a bathroom break many many times. Here we are talking about an even shorter distance. With everything that is going on in our country right now, don’t we have better things to report, than this nonsense, really?

    • Anonymous

      I’m guessing you don’t drink coffee.

    • Anonymous

      The need to use the rest room can’t be programmed. Sometimes any one can need to go, and quickly. I agree, a bus with a bathroom is needed for these long trips.

    • Anonymous

      Hey Bev …
      You don’t suppose that a sports team, playing a game of hockey MIGHT just be very likely to drink a bunch of water (or whatever) after the game ???

  • bangorgirl

    Maybe the headline or the concern should be! “Class A School Does Not Provide The Proper Bus For Their Student Athletes For Long Distant Games” This whole issue could have been avoided if the Bangor School Dept provided a coach bus w/a bathroom on it instead of a standard yellow school bus! Step it up Bangor and Start providing these student athletes with the proper bus to travel in especially for their long distant games!

  • justaconcernedbangorian

    It is my understanding that the parents have offered to pay for a coach bus (which provides a bathroom) for the past 4 years, but the Superintendent of the Year has denied the offer repeatedly. This situation would never have come up if Dr. Webb would loosen her leash on the Athletic Director and let him do his job and worry about hers.

    • Anonymous

      If any of the children of Supt. Webb were on the hockey or other teams that went long distances, they would, rest assured, be given bathroom breaks. For that matter, why not prevent the Bangor School Com. from any bathroom breaks during their meetings? Isn’t that fair to all?

    • Anonymous

      Insurance and liability may be the sticking point.

      • justaconcernedbangorian

        No insurance and liability issue when the same bus system offers the transportation.

        • bangorgirl

          So true and agree with you! from what I heard yesterday, is that the football players take a coach bus w/bathroom to there long distant games. From what I am told is that the football and Hockey booster are one account! I am not a parent of any children at BHS but at my kids school they separate the boosters and there are no issues where the money is spent or how. So if the parents want to give money to the boosters of a particular sport to fund something then so be it.

  • Justanopinion

    Reporting a story with little to no facts, is not reporting. After reading this report it only leads to speculation on the part of the reader with zero facts of what happened. For a coach to state prior to a trip fromBangor to Presque isle that we are not going to stop so please use the restrooms prior to departure is not unreasonable, happens all the time on school trips. If the student in questionstated they needed to use the bathroom and could not hold it and was then was toldthe bus would not stop, that is a separate issue and should beinvestigated. As you can see I’m SPECULATING on what happened because the reporter has givenme no facts. So a man’s coaching careerand his standing in the community is being questioned with speculation. If you can’t find the facts then don’treport.

    This story is an embarrassment for the Bangor daily news. From the information I read from this story it sounds like tabloid trash. Not a respected newspaper digging to find the truth and only reporting it to the community when they have all of the facts.

    • Anonymous

      Amen!!

    • justaconcernedbangorian

      I agree 100%. Get all the facts and then print. I also think further investigation into other sports (football, soccer, baseball, etc) to see if these sports do the same as far as bathroom breaks or if they, too, tinkle on the bus. I cannot imagine that a coach would not stop the bus for a bathroom break if asked. It appears that this could be a common occurrence. Another question I have is “who was the one that called the BDN to start this whole fiasco”? Was it a concerned parent or somebody with a grudge???

  • Anonymous

    waste of taxpayers money ,drive all the way up there to play a stupid game.

    • Anonymous

      Probably no hockey teams in the area.

  • Guest

    Just to throw it out there the only female player on the bus shares the same last name as Bangor’s athletic director…

  • jwl62

    Who’s this other guy from 2005? Sounds like he wasn’t even on the bus! Way to go BDN, drag someone else in that has nothing to do with this article.

    • Anonymous

      I agree! Why identify someone who had nothing to do with the subject of article and wasn’t even there? Has BDN never heard of cropping photos or were they just too lazy?

      • Anonymous

        Because then we’re left wondering “Who’s that other guy?”
        There is nothing in the story or in the photo caption that ties Salfi to this incident.

  • Anonymous

    You want your athletes to be hydrated, right? So do you say, ok kids, we’re going to play a game in PI tomorrow, so no drinking after midnight.

    • Realistic Parent

      The story doesn’t even state wether or not anyone actually had to go to the bathroom or not, just states that coach said the same thing any parent has said before any long road trip (Go to the bathroom before we leave it is a long ride). I would love to read all your comments if next week the Headline reads Hockey coach suspended because hockey team arrives 3 hours late for game in Presque Isle and team arrives back in Bangor next morning just in time for players to get to class, and the story reads, the good news is, that all well hydrated athletes were all able to stop and go to the bathroom when each of their individual urges arose. Come on people we are not talking about 5 year old kids here, in reality it is probably much harder for the coaches and bus drivers to refrain from bathroom breaks than it is for healthy teenagers.

      • Anonymous

        your argument doesn’t seem very realistic to me. Three hours late because of a bathroom break? more like unrealistic parent.

        • Realistic Parent

          Well I guess it seems pretty unrealistic to me that a bunch of healthy teenagers, if asked to go to the bathroom before boarding the bus can not go 2 to 3 hours without having to use the bathroom again, but obviously we all have very different views of what is considered realistic.

  • Anonymous

    The story is obviously trivial in light of the CT tragedy, but it’s surely revealing of something wrong with the coach if it’s true. At UMaine one of two Presidential Professors–this one in Sociology–paid high salaries after both failed successively as Dean of the College of Liberal Arts–doesn’t allow her students to go to the bathroom once class begins. But then she also bars all from entering her classes if one is as much as a few seconds later. This include students with physical ailments who can’t walk as fast as other students. So such lunacy isn’t limited to Bangor High’s hockey coach. I suspect that the ADA laws might be explored in these cases. Rest assured, though, that if these folks needed to go to the bathroom themselves, they’d do so without a shred of conscience.

  • Anonymous

    If “Collins” thinks a no-stop three hour bus ride is OK, to just MANDATE that certain bodily functions are not “permitted”, then I suppose he could be required to attend a (second or third grade) “health and safety” class – for a semester or two – then maybe he could begin to figure some things out (about life as a human) – like no one should have consumed ANY fluids while in the Presque Isle region (NOT!) of the journey (DUH!).

  • Anonymous

    Ok. I’m going to share. Probably too much sharing but here goes. Growing up in Aroostook County we were taught to be practical and take care of ourselves. Not much fazed us as we could be put in a life or death situation due to extreme cold in winters. We were tough and resourceful kids and didn’t whine about anything. Going to Bangor for tournament games was so much fun! What was not fun was the 4 hour trip home on a regular school bus. Caribou owned their own buses, new and top of the line, and we always traveled on three of the big ones back in those days. Cheerleaders and the band always went too :) Well, there were simply no restrooms on that trip back in the 60s, headed back after a night game at the Bangor Auditorium. Probably around midnight on a freezing cold windy night in winter, we stopped in the breakdown lane and anyone who had to go, got out and went. This is how we did it: girls first, then the boys, while inside the bus, the adults made the other sex turn their backs to the windows. Aaaaahhhhh what a relief that was! I’m still alive having survived peeing by the road. And it’s a skill I can still manage, despite a bad back and stiff knees!

  • biscuit

    Without all the facts, I’ll just assume the bus was late leaving for Presque Isle and had no time to stop. Or paying for that extra hour to a driver on a round trip is just too much for the A.D. to shell out of the oft funneled hockey budget.

  • Anonymous

    Bdn deleted my first post. But this coach allowed his players back on the team last season after breaking the no drinking of alcohol rule. He’s all about his own ego and winning nothing else. He should have been fired last season for that and other reasons. Hopefully this will be his time to go away.

    • Realistic Parent

      Which hockey players are you referring to and where did you get your facts from on that issue BDN

      • Anonymous

        I will not mention names of kids. But they were caught along with many at an underage party by law enforcement. I believe it was in Lincoln. It may have been two years ago if not last year. I have another incident more serious in nature that Dennis admitted to witnessing at a bhs football game and he turned the other cheek. He admitted to this at the parent meeting along with on my voice message.

    • bangorgirl

      I will agree with Realistic Parent with You must of got your facts about last years incident from the BDN because you are wrong! Also what “coach isn’t all about winning”? Ego or Not! This article seems to me like it gave you a chance to attack a coach on a personal level! Probably why your first comment was deleted!

      • Anonymous

        My facts are spot on bangor. Do you forgot the ad came out and said the players were suspended for 2 games. Or how about at the parent meeting where Dennis witnessed two players dealing at the bhs football game? Or the voice message he left on my phone that they were dealing not using? Like that made such a big difference. Dealing at a football game on school grounds or using did he think one is less than the other? Those are facts from his mouth not hear say from bdn or anyone else. And yes I let many others listen to my voice mail

        • Realistic Parent

          I know of the incidents that you are talking about, and the so called facts that I heard were, that there was one varsity player and a few jv players that were actually proven to be at the party. I could very well be wrong, and fortunately you and I will probably never know the real facts. The only people that should know already do know, and that are the parents of the kids that were involved and the school officials that need to know. It is none of our business when it involves minors, it is only the business of the parents of the kids involved. As far as the other incident I know the kids involved in that too. There are other facts of that incident you may or may not know about. Regardless, I am sorry for whatever Denis has done to you and your son or daughter, but I think it is time for me to agree to disagree with you. I choose to support Denis and all men and women who put the time in that they do, for what I see as one of the most THANKLESS jobs there is, when it comes to the parents of the kids these people are trying to coach. Of course I am not talking about all parents. There are some that do appreciate these men and women and all they do for our kids.

          • Anonymous

            I would agree is best to agree to disagree sometimes. But since you also know of the incident at the bhs football game that same year. It’s safe to agree Denis being a coach should have not turned the other cheek and called proper athuorites. Drugs are no place near a school. Question is had they not been his hockey players would be have done the right thing?

          • Realistic Parent

            As far as this incident I believe Denis should have never talked about this incident in his parent meetings or even mentioned it all. The reason I say this is because he never actually saw drugs or money being exchanged he saw 2 kids known to smoke pot sit next to each other and secretly pass things back and forth. Now there is a good chance that it may have been a drug deal but there is also a chance that it really wasn’t a drug deal, so like BDN, Denis shouldn’t have gone to authorities and should have told that story in public at all because all the FACTS were not known. Just my take on the subject.

          • Anonymous

            Well his voice mail to my phone clearly stated he saw the transaction. Perhaps he never should have mentioned it at parent meeting but he did. Now if one the person above said what happend actually happened then perhaps the whole team should be suspended. Poster above calls it immaturity it’s a clear violation of bhs code of conduct. Sounds like your well educated on these codes.( compliment) not sarcasim

          • justaconcernedbangorian

            You sound like a very troubled man. Did you also have a troubled child at the High School that didn’t make the hockey team?

          • Anonymous

            Nope actually I don’t. I am troubled because I speak the truth. Some cannot handle the truth. My son did not attempt to try out for this team like a few others due to Dennis. Dennis hopefully will be gone after this event. And any player if true what has been said should be gone as well. Troubled man ? I’d say that depends on who is viewing. Parents who like to kiss coaches butt to get their kid who thinks they are the next great one. Or parents like me who are realistic about how far in sports our kids will go and prefer to have them be responsible young men and women

  • BobbyB

    The point is why is this a story in the BDN ? I understand that poor decisions might have been made in relation to stopping or not stopping and some kids peed in a big container that was spilled. Do we publicly shame the hockey coach? No doubt a parent with an axe to grind about playing time leaked this to the press or someone who isn’t happy that their pampered little prince isnt riding in 5 star comfort to a hockey game.

  • snipes

    For all of you that don’t know the actual truth, the athletic department went 4k over budget last year to pay bus drivers more money for the hockey program alone due to bathroom stops and dinner stops on the way home from away games. So Vanidestine is the one not allowing bathroom breaks and dinner stops. So Dennis told his players the day before this PI game at practice that if they had to use the restroom, they had to bring a jug, obviously joking. And the players, immaturity showing, took it literally and brought jugs. On the way home, they all used the jug to use the restroom and almost back to the rink, the jug full of urine reportedly spilt and the John T Cyr Bus Driver was the one who complained and started this whole thing. So you could actually blame Steve Vanidestine.

    • Anonymous

      If what your saying us true. Then it’s pretty clear that all these players should be suspended. Along with Dennis. But hey they are 3-0 we all know bhs athletics is far more important than actual moral or contractual obligations

  • Anonymous

    this is ridiculous… alright as a former athlete we made trips as far north as Fort Kent and Caribou, we didn’t make any stops there or back, we were told that we were only making one stop and that was after the game at a mcdonalds or a small store. Other than that we were treated as adults and told to go to the bathroom before the trip and to limit anything we drank on the way there and back, the coaches do this because of the athletes sake, on the way there they have to be there by a certain time or they have to forfeit the game, and on the way back to limit an already late night. If the students got back at the school say at 1-2 in the morning and have to get up in the morning to go to school then there attention span and their education can be affected. Plus Im pretty sure that there is a MPA rule that basically says if athletes return to the school after a certain time then they have to have the next day off from practices or games… which I know that in most sports they sometimes have to play 2 games back to back nights so the day off would result in a forfeiture of the team in that senerio, otherwise they’d miss a practice for a night off which could be an important practice missed for a big game… the coach shouldn’t be held at fault here because he was looking out for the kids best interest…unless there was another incident that is going unreported to the community such as hazing or other things then this is just a waste of peoples time and money, not to mention its affecting any influence this coach has over his players and the community, I don’t know this coach but most coaches rely on the coaching job as another form of income to get by while working 2 maybe 3 other jobs… this is a complete and utter waste of time for him and the people involved in the investigation.

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