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  • Anonymous

    So – equality for our fellow citizens,

    PLUS a boost to our economy.

    Hard to beat that.

    • Anonymous

      Could not agree more.

    • Gunnery Sergeant Hartman

      proudly voted NO

      • Alec Cunningham

        Good for you. You aren’t invited to my wedding.

        • Tedlick Badkey

          Can I come Joe?

          • Alec Cunningham

            Ha! Sure!!!

        • Anonymous

          I won’t be at your wedding but I’ll be applauding it.Much luck and love to you and yours!

          • Alec Cunningham

            Thanks!!

        • Anonymous

          Why not me Joe. I voted for this. I wanna come too

        • Anonymous

          Wish you all the Happiness in the world!

      • And you lost, get over it.

      • Tedlick Badkey

        Oh… goodie!

      • Anonymous

        Proudly glad you lost.

      • Anonymous

        Keep representing those 1950’s values while the rest of us learn to make fire and use the wheel.

      • notateapartier

        And white parents “proudly” pulled their children out when schools were integrated. Wrong then, wrong now.

      • and I proudly dislike u. guess which two letters Sesame Street picked for u today.

    • Anonymous

      It’s not equality. It is sickness honored as health.

      • Anonymous

        I have honored Tedlick in sickness and in health for years, just as any spouse would. Soon we get to honor each other in civil marriage, too!

      • Tedlick Badkey

        How so?

    • Indeed. Though Badgett’s estimates seem a bit high to me (or maybe I’m just out of touch.) While I suppose 7-8k weddings might be common in some circles, for the average person, that seems rather extravagant – 20k is typical? Really?

      • Anonymous

        As a matter of fact, I’ve got some peripheral experience with the wedding industry, and I think those figures are probably accurate. Though as you suggest it’s all about location (and personal preference of course).

        But in affluent areas, say the suburbs outside Boston or New York, a wedding could easily cost or even start at 20k, and after that the sky’s the limit. And yes, I think 7k for the average “traditional” wedding is probably correct, especially when things like the ring, the dress, and the honeymoon are included.

        Many years ago my wife and I tied the knot for the price of the license fee, and dinner with a few close friends. Probably cost less than $100.

        I imagine that option is still available.

        • Hmmm…I’ve always been frugal and seen such expenses (for a one day affair) rather decadent…so it probably is just me and my own projections.

          I think my wife and I spent around 2k when all was said and done…though we were just out of college, so probably would have been more later in life, as many of these couples undoubtedly will be.

          • Anonymous

            Talking “traditional” weddings, Sad.

            The bride’s family pays.

            ka – ching.

    • FELT

      To be accurate, it’s a boost to the personal economy of those being married; but a loss to the revenue stream of State and Local government because of the couples deductions.

      How much? Will it offset the gains by ‘taxing the rich’?

      This is not a good time to reduce State revenue, but it will only force more curtailments. Oh well, it’s for love and money!

      • I claim no tax expertise, though I know it’s not guaranteed that being married will save one money. Some end up paying more. At worst, it will probably be a wash.

      • Alec Cunningham

        So, it’s better to keep us from marrying so that the state can take more money from us gay people?  Isn’t that sort of discriminatory?

      • Anonymous

        Yes, business see no benfitis to weddings, same sex or opposite sex.

  • Gunnery Sergeant Hartman

    i don’t work in the wedding industry…nor do i cater food or anything like that…

    still wanting to know what the groom calls the groom? wife? husband?

    • Tedlick Badkey

      Use your imagination.

      • Gunnery Sergeant Hartman

        man lover

        • Gunnery Sergeant Hartman

          MAN LOVE RULES OK

          • Alec Cunningham

            How discriminating. What about woman love, huh? Why must you be so obsessed with the man love?

          • Anonymous

            I think that we know why. ;)

    • Alec Cunningham

      I call mine “honey.” Sometimes “darling.” Sometimes “sugar pie honey bunch” when the trash needs to be taken out on a cold snowy night…

    • Well, my wife and I simply refer to each other as wife. Easy as that. There is no need for differentials like that, is there? Oh, well, maybe in YOUR marriage, but not in mine.

    • Anonymous

      Can’t imagine why you are so interested. You voted “no” so why don’t you move on.

    • Anonymous

      If it’s two grooms, then they’d call each other husband, I’d suppose.

      What would you choose to call your same-sex spouse?

      • Anonymous

        Husband like you said. What do you call your dog?

        • Tedlick Badkey

          You have a very odd household. But that’s cool.

        • Anonymous

          If that is what you are into behind closed doors have at it. I can only hope that you have hard boundaries.

          • Anonymous

            Convivial conveniently changed his post…….cute.

    • Anonymous

      You sound like the homophobic father on the movie American Beauty.But he was a colonel.

    • Anonymous

      Well, what does he call you?

    • Anonymous

      Spouse?

    • Anonymous

      who cares ??

  • Gunnery Sergeant Hartman

    proudly voted NO

    • Tedlick Badkey

      That pleases me.

    • Anonymous

      Good. They didn’t need you anyway. You can move on now.

  • Anonymous

    $15 million dollars for what?

    For overthrowing the institution of marriage?

    Do you consider that a bargain?

    How far gone are you, America?

    • Well a large part of North America has allowed same sex marriage for many years and they are doing just fine so I think our part of North America will make it as well.

      • Anonymous

        Jude 1:7.

      • Anonymous

        A large part of North America is corrupt, crime-ridden, and degenerate. It only stands to reason that the nation with the world’s largest prison population and a $16 trillion dollar debt would endorse the madness of homosexual “marriage.” And deep down, you KNOW it is wrong.

        • Tedlick Badkey

          And large parts of it are not.

          How is it wrong, and please don’t give me mythology.

        • kcjonez

          We have the world’s largest prison population because we have made jailing a profitable business instead of a service to society.

          We have a $16 trillion dollar debt because we bang the drums of war more than the rest of the world combined.

          Our demise will come because of our greed, not our generosity.

          • Tedlick Badkey

            Yup.

        • Anonymous

          I believe Kevin was referring to Canada “Son”.

          • Alec Cunningham

            Yeah, that doesn’t make sense.  Nor does the link between prison population and same-sex marriage.  I wonder if two cellies here can get married now, though…?

          • I figured it would go over his head.

        • Anonymous

          And don’t forget that Twinkies are going way.

          It’s armageddon I tell ya.

          -J

        • Guest

          That’s absurd.

        • notateapartier

          Canada is a large part of North America. I think you forgot that. Not exactly “corrupt, crime-ridden, and degenerate”.

    • Tedlick Badkey

      Overthrowing? How, exactly, my friend.

      BTW… the goal is Dec. 31st… so we can roll in the new year as a married couple.

      • notateapartier

        Congratulations!

  • Anonymous

    It’s not marriage, otherwise there would be a husband and a wife.

    It is the opposite of marriage.

    Homosexuals never wanted to marry in the first place.

    • Tedlick Badkey

      No, hon, the license is the same.

      Keep posting please. You’re a powerful ally.

    • Remember folks, don’t feed the trolls. I know I dropped it a snack but it is best not to feed them at all.

      • Alec Cunningham

        It’s so hard not to!

        • Anonymous

          Please use difficult instead of hard so as not to confuse son of bangor.

    • Anonymous

      The majority of Mainers disagree w/you. Maybe it’s time to move on and focus your energy on something productive.

      • Alec Cunningham

        I don’t even understand most of what he says.  Really, gays don’t want to get married?  Many of us have wanted that for decades!!

        • Anonymous

          I’m watching a show now on PBS on the history of the ‘gay movement’. Very interesting stuff! In 10 years (hopefully sooner) people will wonder why this was even an issue. Be patient; it takes a while for some to evolve.

  • Tedlick Badkey

    ROFLOL!!! Monogamy is gonna cause AIDS complications.

    Yeah… that’s it!

  • Anonymous

    these people like their own communities right?

    • Tedlick Badkey

      My community has about 900 people… on my street, we all take care of one another.

      We decorate our homes for holidays… help out when there’s a big storm… watch one another’s house when necessary.

      We are a community. And we celebrate the love of all, not just those that are like us.

      In my home, we’re just guys in a normal Maine small town.

      • Anonymous

        LOL, I was typing the same thing pretty much but had to refresh the screen. :)

  • Anonymous

    Wow, a study funded by two University, now there is some reliable research – Not! who funded this “study”, was it Equality Maine? Do we always estimate that 1/2 the couples dating get married? Really? This is a bogus study. More propaganda from the BDN.

    • Anonymous

      Proof for your allegations?

      • Anonymous

        Those like that poster are anti intellectualism, anti universities,etc. Sad, isn’t it….
        They also seem to have a chip on their shoulder.

    • Anonymous

      Your data for your allegations?

    • Anonymous

      You think magically gay people are going to figure out a way to have negative spending on their weddings or something? Come on. Use your brain.

    • notateapartier

      Yup, those universities, always doing studies. So “elite” of them.

  • Anonymous

    The wages of sin….

    • Tedlick Badkey

      …are irrelevant to civil law.

    • Anonymous

      Including yours?

    • Anonymous

      Yours too?

    • Anonymous

      You know, it’s pretty hypocritical of you to preach about sin to gays and lesbians who seek to protect the lives they build together in monogamy, honesty and support… while staying strangely silent about the zumba prostitution scandal that has also been in the Bangor papers for the past few months.

      Why are you obsessed over gays and lesbians? Because you’re obviously not concerned about sin.

  • Anonymous

    Is redefining “Marriage” in the State to bring $15.5 million in direct spending in Maine over the next three years worth it and fair to the 47% who voted “NO” on this issue? Justifying this type of deviant relationship by calling it “equality” and adding a financial benefit to it sets a precedent for voting for other illegal or abnormal behavior. What will be next? How about legalizing marijuana and prostitution. I’m sure that some advocate can put a direct spending amount on each of them if they are legalized. We could be known as “The State that will do anything for money.”

    • Tedlick Badkey

      How will those 47% be affected that wasn’t true before?

      Your opinion on deviance is not relevant. The financial benefit is no different than that given to adoptive or childless straight couples. Do you propose ending that?

      What does marriage have to do with weed or hookers?

      Get out… enjoy the world. Quit dwelling on what others do in private.

      • Anonymous

        I have no concern what gay, lesbian, transgenders, or whatever do in private. The BDN article was about the estimated economic windfall of $15.5 million over 3 years that the passage of this new definition of marriage will be bringing into the State. After the initial frenzy of gay marriage in Maine is over and it becomes well known as a gay friendly State, how many straight couples will want to be married or even visit here?

        Never mentioned ending the financial benefit of adoptive or childless straight couples. Marriage has nothing to do with “weed and hookers”.
        Allowing their legalization would also bring the State an economic windfall, but does the end justify the means?

        • Tedlick Badkey

          Are you honestly telling me that straight couples won’t want to come to Maine because of gay marriage? Is your prejudice and bigotry that deep? Really? That borders on insanity.

          Those couples are the same “drain” on state revenue as gay couples.

          As for weed and hookers, we’ll take that discussion up when they come to the ballot.

          • Anonymous

            You seem to have an answer for everything. Hey, I agree. You are right. (Now you can refute this comment and prove me wrong).

        • Anonymous

          LOL…….yeah, they’ve really stayed away from the rest of New England. Are you for real???

        • Alec Cunningham

          Are you saying that most straight couples don’t want to be associated with such a “gay friendly state”?
          Huh.  I wonder why there are soooo many straight couples (and with children!) in Provincetown these days…..

        • Anonymous

          That straw you’re grasping is pretty small.I’ve never heard of a straight person saying they won’t come here if we are “gay friendly”
          Is that true of the other states that already had gay marriage?Numbers please and real ones.Do you not think gay people have straight friends/family members/co-workers,etc. that want to share their joy?

    • Anonymous

      Um, it’s not illegal to be gay or lesbian in Maine.

      And we’re not setting any precident here– Maine has led the nation on issues of equality in the past. For example, we allowed interracial marriage almost 100 years before it became legal nationwide!

      • Anonymous

        Never said that it was illegal to be a gay, lesbian, transgender, or any other kind of person in my post. Interracial marriage 100 years ago (if this timeframe is correct) was still between a MAN and a WOMAN and I find nothing wrong with that. Changing the definition of “marriage” between a man and a woman which first appears 1250-1300 CE (Common Era) is just not right. We should not change the definition of words at random to appease a small majority. Also, I have no problem with same sex couples who live in a civil or religious union having the same benefits as opposite sex married couples.

        • Tedlick Badkey

          Not right? Why? Because it makes you uncomfortable?

          We should always do what is right for all citizens, not just the majority.

        • Alec Cunningham

          If you feel that way about changing the language, why are you using the term “CE”?

    • Anonymous

      Such leaps you make. Everything is going to be fine. The world is not going to come to an end. Things are not going to fall apart. Some other couples are going to be able to marry and raise their families. Imagine. They are not going to insinuate themselves into your personal business. They would not be interested in doing that. Why not accord them the same.

    • Anonymous

      “Fair” to the 47%???? Was it fair to deny legal marriage to same sex couples all of those years…..decades???? You religious folk need to realize that laws and equality in the United States of America are NOT based on religious beliefs! If you want to live in one of those types of countries…….move to one of many in the Middle East. I’m sure that they’ll make you feel just as welcome as you’ve tried to make gay folk feel for so many years.

      • TacRecon882

        Who said anything about religion?
        If you looked at the map (by county) posted on BDN after the voting, the only areas that voted for homosexual marriage was York and Cumberland, counties and the Bar Harbor area. No surprise there. The entire state, other than these areas, voted against it. Yet it passed. So due to the heavy population in these counties they are making decisions for the whole state.

        It may be a good idea to keep the supposed extra money right down in the areas that voted for it.

        • Anonymous

          The most people, live in those areas, your right they do. As far as I know the most people is a majority, majority rules. When we start counting votes by land mass, we’ll talk again.

          • Anonymous

            Wouldn’t the REDS love that!

        • Tedlick Badkey

          And those people that voted against it will remain unharmed.

        • Anonymous

          You start by saying the minority interests should be accounted for (by pointing out that many voted against this), but then you gloss over the minority interests (that voted for) in those other counties where a majority voted against. Why the double standard? Why the hypocrisy?

          • Alec Cunningham

            He’s also forgetting that there are people in every state that had a vote who voted for it.   What about those minority rights?
            And, yes, he’s also forgetting the 2009 vote.

            Absolute double standard.

        • Anonymous

          You certainly don’t win any awards for smartness. Up in the northern part of the state, there are nowhere as near as many people. Also, Bangor voted Yes for gay marriage.

        • notateapartier

          So, your point is, more people live in certain areas, and less people live in other areas. More people voted for marriage equality in some areas, and more people voted against marriage equality in other areas. Add it all up, and more people voted for marriage equality in Maine. You are right.

          Now you might agree, this really shouldn’t have gone to a popular vote after all, since it is the majority deciding on the rights of the minority. Oh, well.

        • Anonymous

          Actually……..many people voted YES all over the state, not just in those areas where it passed overwhelmingly. You do have the right to move to the Deep South though………they may like your social conservatism, but you may not be so welcomed when they hear you are a “Yankee”. ;)

      • Anonymous

        I never mentioned religion in my initial post. My concern is with changing the definition of traditional “marriage” between a man and a woman. Also, I have never treated any “gay folk” with contempt as long as I have lived on this earth. Lastly, I have no desire to move from the United States of America where I was born and served it proudly for the freedom of all.

        • Tedlick Badkey

          Please demonstrate the harm to anyone by expanding the definition (it’s already changed… years ago). What is there to be concerned about?

          • Anonymous

            Once again……..conservatives more concerned about definitions of words than actual people/real life.

          • Alec Cunningham

            And a few of them here still have issues with the homos redefining “gay.”

        • Anonymous

          Thank-you for your service. But why are you more concerned about definitions of words than real life equality for all? Didn’t you put your life on the line for that?…….or was it something else you were fighting for?

    • Anonymous

      The vast majority of people who voted for SSM did not do so to bring in more revenue. They did it because it was the right thing to do. The fact that it may wind up bringing in additional revenue is simply a consequence of the action not the catalyst.

      -J

      • Anonymous

        I agree with your post. The additional revenue was a consequence of the action.

    • notateapartier

      You are right, in that there will be a direct economic benefit to Maine as a result of the passage of ssm. You are wrong about the state passing this in order to make money. The people petitioned to put equal marriage on the ballot, and the people voted on it to be passed.

      • Anonymous

        I agree with you. The people voted on it as a result of the petition to put it on the ballot. The State only facilitated the people’s vote without regard to any positive or negative economic impact. The point I was trying to make concerned easing the pain of those who voted “NO” (and lost) by writing about the consequence of the vote in positive financial terms. Do I feel any better because I voted “NO on One” and lost even though it resulted in a positive economic? The answer is “NO” It had nothing to do with finances for me. Changing the traditional definition of “Marriage” (Man and Woman) was my concern. Nothing else!!! (For the benefit of those who like too read between the lines).

    • Great suggestion. Marijuana legalization is smart on so many levels and has support on both the left and right. Prostitution is a tougher sell, though many pros in that argument as well.

    • Anonymous

      Sorry Romney got 47% and he lost.And seeing how Maine is in a death spiral until 2014 with the current clowns LePage and Mayhew,we need all the money we can get.I share the joy of RJ,Tedlick and all who love a special person in their lives.

  • Anonymous

    For those couples in Maine that get married and spend money on it there is NO significant economic gain for the state. They are spending money they would have spent otherwise on other things. If they get a loan to pay for it then that is just a change in the time when the money is spent. If it comes out of savings accounts then that is again just a change of WHEN the money is eventually spent.

    So those in the wedding business will almost certainly see a significant increase in business for 1 to 3 years. Other segments of the Maine economy is where most of that money will come from. Dumb article. When will ANYONE on the BDN staff learn even a little about economics?

    • Anonymous

      Your wrong. People spend extra money on weddings, some may be diverted from other activities, but new revenue will be generated. this will attract people from out of state, people from out of sate will be attending weddings needing hotels and the such, and a lot of people save for their marriage. The idea that gay marriage is going steal away other’s business is just another distortion. Why not eliminate all marriages and really expand the economy?

    • Anonymous

      Adding $100,000,000 to the divorce industry. You think we got a lotta lawyers now, wait a couple years

      • Alec Cunningham

        So? Lawyers are people too!

    • Anonymous

      When will TrickleUpPovertyForAll learn even a little about economics?

      When people get married they spend money on photographers, caterers, social halls, printers, DJs, florists, etc…that money would not necessarily be spent in other segments of the economy.

      To assume that the money is being taken from one segment of the economy and moved to another segment of the economy shows how little you really know about economics.

      By the way…the money paid to those “wedding business” will generate even more economic boost as they spend that additional income and so on and so on….

      • Alec Cunningham

        Well, to tell you the truth, the money we’ll spend on our wedding WAS going to be for new shoes and a new frock……!

  • Anonymous

    Adding $100,000,000 to the divorce industry. You think we got a lotta lawyers now, wait a couple years.

    • Anonymous

      Straight people are at about a 50% success rate. No need to blame gays for that.

    • Anonymous

      Just because breeders can’t seem to stay married………

  • Anonymous

    It is not a good thing when morality based principles are compromised and then further justified by economic gains. History is rich with this and the end results are the same for those socieities…Hey go ahead and get married, no skin off my back. But if the real reason was for economic gain, wow…

    • Anonymous

      It is not moral to deprive others of basic dignity. Allowing SSM is the moral position as it most closely adheres to “The Golden Rule” which is the litmus test for morality.

      -J

      • Anonymous

        I like your picture BTW, it is a true representation of your view point. Although if we were to debate with Him, no amount of schooling or knowledge would help, you see because He is the Supreme. The devil is all over the internet and you can sense his presence in some of these postings.

        • Anonymous

          I would disagree that there would be no debate with him.

          Jesus is often portrayed as a teacher. The best teachers are ones that allow free form thought and even allow the student to challenge and even disagree.

          If there is a God he will likely appreciate those who challenge as they are truly using all the gifts he bestowed. I can’t imagine a ‘true’ God that desires only blind unquestioning obedience.

          -J

    • Anonymous

      I can’t imagine the majority of YES voters voted that way because of the economy. The economic boost is an after thought and a bonus.

      • Anonymous

        No kidding, voters who support these issues usually do not consider the consequences.

        • Alec Cunningham

          What, pray tell, are the consequences.  Massachusetts has had this for 8 years.  Tell us what negative consequences have happened there.

    • Anonymous

      The term “morality” coming from a conservative is a complete joke.

      • Anonymous

        Glad I could amuse you, now you kind of funny too…

  • Peter Hyatt

    Think of the windfall for divorce attorneys alone!

    • Anonymous

      How is it than that Massachusetts, a state where SSM has been legal for years, has such a low rate of divorce?

      • Alec Cunningham

        I would think that there would be fewer loveless marriages-fewer gay people feeling that they are forced into straight marriages that usually end up in divorce.  I have seen it happen here over and over and over again.  Hopefully no more.

    • Anonymous

      What a sad little comment. Always looking for some kind of negative?

  • Anonymous

    KUDOS, I am happy for each and every same sex couple that chooses to marry.

  • Anonymous

    could, possibile, might generate income from the wedding industry.. Lets legalize everything that might, possibily or could generate income in Maine.. Then we will put a pretty face on it by writing stories about it. OK.

    • Alec Cunningham

      Fine with me as long as it doesn’t hurt anyone.    What do you have in mind?

    • Guest

      Revenue is necessary these days. Now you are against businesses growing in Maine?
      I thought that ‘s what you guys wanted, to be open for business…..

      • Anonymous

        Nah, it was just lip service. They have loud mouths and love signs (and hearing themselves) but when it comes to putting their money where their big mouths are……..

    • Anonymous

      Didn’t Lepage start that process with fireworks? That policy actually has potential for far more damage than same sex marriage.

  • Anonymous

    Great news :)

  • Rocky4

    YEAH…..RIGHT! A huge boost for the Maine economy.
    What a ridiculous statement.

    • Tedlick Badkey

      What is your evidence that it won’t be?

  • Anonymous

    This is wonderful. I am very proud to be a Mainer!!

  • Anonymous

    As a woman who has quite a few friends and loved ones in the LGBT community and a bridal shop owner, this really is a win-win!

    • Anonymous

      Good luck to you for supporting all who love.I hope you have a blessed and prosperous year ahead!

  • Anonymous

    Congratulations to all same sex couples. I am happy to be apart of the winning victory. It is about time that it is seen that ANY form of Religion does not belong Government. In the Constitution it states, Equality and Justice for all. After 200 hundred years,we are one step closer to that. Blessed Be and Love and Light to all.

  • Anonymous

    Congrats to everyone who has enough respect for their fellow man to have voted Yes and congrats to all of the couples who will benefit from it.
    To everyone who voted NO and has nothing nice to say to Maines gay couples – If you don’t like it, you are lucky enough to have the legal right to leave the state!

    • Alec Cunningham

      I’m not sure inviting them to leave the state is good.  I didn’t like it in 2009 when we lost.  We should all live together as proud Americans.

  • notateapartier

    There are an awful lot of “deleted comments” here.

    • Alec Cunningham

      I wish they wouldn’t delete so many comments. Some are offensive or stupid, sure, but they don’t really warrant deletion. The one from phantom agreeing that gay men should be killed-yeah-it’s good that it’s gone.

    • Anonymous

      I agree. I saw some of the comments before they were deleted and didn’t think it was needed. Actually, some gave me quite a chuckle and that was needed on a dreary day like today.

  • Anonymous

    So how much longer has this garbage got to be in the spotlight ? Enough already do your thing and leave the news for something newsworthy.
    And this guy actually has a job studying this financial projection…. little left to wonder what is wrong with our world!

    • Tedlick Badkey

      It’s newsworthy to many.

      If you don’t like it, don’t don’t read it.

      • Anonymous

        That’s asking a lot of people that sit around their computer all day gnashing their teeth.

    • Anonymous

      This IS newsworthy, dum-dum. It wouldn’t have been newsworthy if you and your conservative/religious ideologists hadn’t fought equality tooth and nail for decades.

    • Alec Cunningham

      How sad that you think marriage between two people in love is garbage.

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