Comments for: Can Maine Republicans heal divisions within?

Posted Dec. 05, 2012, at 1:27 p.m.

Republicans in Maine have had a worse year than the Red Sox. Chaos dominated the presidential preference caucuses in February and the state convention in May. Conflict between Mitt Romney and Ron Paul supporters over Republican National Convention delegate seating forced national party officials to intervene in a way that …

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  • Anonymous

    I have been a registered Republican since 1967. I have seen my party over the past 20 years become less and less inclusive. In the last few years the Party has been hijacked by the radical right section of the Party. Does anyone think for a moment that Olympia Snowe would not have been re-elected in a cake walk had she chosen to run again? But she was deemed unacceptable to the far right wing of the Party who vowed to defeat her in the primary. What did that brilliant way of thinking accomplish? Angus King as the junior Senator from Maine. Until the Party learns that part of the pie is better then no pie at all then we will see more of what happened on November 6th. The Party needs to step back and take an honest look in the mirror. We need to become more a Party that shows an interest in all of Maine’s people and not one that is looked upon as favoring only a select group of Mainers or special interest. We need to show leadership and forget the “my way or the highway” attitude. Everyone talks about working across the asile, but has the Republican Party we have seen lately really done that? The biggest problem that the Maine Republican Party needs to overcome is the current resident of The Blaine House. LePage who I called the Democrats “secret weapon” has done more to destroy the Republican Party in Maine then any Democrat ever could. The time for making excuses for his boorish behavior has to come to an end. Maine Republicans can comeback from the recent blood bath that was suffered at the polls. But unless the Party really does put “People Before Politics” in a way that the average Mainer can see the results at the polls will be either the same or even worse then the crushing defeat handed to it by Maine voters in the 2011 vote on same day voting or the one we saw on November 6th..

    • Anonymous

      “hijaked by the radical right”?….so in other words, you would prefer deficit spending, borrowing money from China, printing paper dollars at an accelerated rate (which OINLY hurts the middle class) and continuing on the path to an ever larger, bloated central government that is increasingly undermining the American tradition of human liberty

      thanks for the progressive opinion, now go join the democrats and have fun selling out your posterity for the short run of ‘security’ you expect the backs of others to provide

      • Anonymous

        Thank you Jack, your thinking has done more to further ‘progressive’ thinking than any democrat could. I’m glad there are unteachable people like you in the tea party ranks. What’s the opposite of progressive thinking? Regressive thinking? Ya, that will get you far.

      • Anonymous

        It is exactly that kind of thinking that sent Angus King to Washington and allowed the Democrats to slaughter the Republicans in the House and Senate races in Maine. I am sure the Democrats would thank you. You are really a total (insert appropriate expletive) aren’t you. For your information I served my country as a member of the US Marines, started a business almost 30 years ago in Maine that currently employs 18. All of my children have been educated , paid for by their mother and me. I am happy to say we are all tax payers and have never taken a dime of public assistance. So go peddle you basket of BS someplace else loser.

        • Anonymous

          That is the typical M.O. of his sort. They have nothing, so they end up saying nothing and have to stoop to insults, trying to tell other people/posters (strangers to them) what they do, what they don’t do, that they are on welfare, etc etc. These are sad little people.

          • Anonymous

            Hey it takes all kinds I guess.

        • Anonymous

          What keeps you from identifying as Democrat? It was George W. who got us into two unfunded trillion dollar wars. The Repubs are not really any more fiscally conservative than the Dems. The only real difference is WHERE they think economic stimulus should come from.. trickle down or trickle up. Oh.. and the R’s seem to be really angry and unpleasant to hang around with these days.

          • Anonymous

            I am happy to be a Democrat. I voted Republican a few times in the past, but not in recent years. No thank you very much.

      • Anonymous

        You continue to illustrate, so vividly, why your party lost and is floundering. Doesn’t bode well…..

      • Anonymous

        It is YOUR party that borrowed all the money from China to pay for their job-killing tax cuts for the rich, for two wars, and for their pro-corporate prescription law that doesn’t even allow us to negotiate for better prices, all of which exploded the debt. The very LAST thing the GOP can argue is they have ANY sense of fiscal responsibility. We can not trust the GOP with ANYTHING, least of all our MONEY which they steal from the poor and middle class to give to the rich in the form of corporate tax subsidies and tax shelters like what Mittens RobMe uses in the Cayman Islands. And talk about a “bloated” government. You people dance for joy that HALF of our discretionary budget goes to a highly bloated military industrial complex riddled with
        no-bid corporate contracts. You lllllllllllove all those big bloated corporate tax subsidies of all kinds. And on and on and on. You lllllllllllllove YOUR bloated government. And your view of “freedom”? Ya right. Free for the vast majority of people go broke so millionaires can hide their money in the Caymans. Free to get sick and die without healthcare. Free to go bankrupt if you get sick or want to try to finance a college education. Free to have broken roads and bridges. Free to have an ever-shrinking middle class as you TeaPublicans destroy labor rights and dance for joy every time a factory moves offshore. The TeaPublican view of “freedom” is economic despair and economic PRISON.

        • Anonymous

          The DoD is is not “riddled” with no-bid contracts, but there are few choice ones.

      • trisailer

        Keep repeating that nonsense, fewer and fewer American’s are buying it. The republicans had their chance to demonstrate that they cared one whit about the debt when they cut taxes without cutting costs and started two unnecessary wars.

      • Anonymous

        So the this last huge round of deficit spending was brought on by a D? You’re kidding, right?

        4mermainer says Radical Right when: preventing abortion is more important than the economy, stopping suspected voter fraud is more important than the economy, stopping gay people from doing anything “gay” is more important than the economy, making sure the D in the White House can’t hire anyone to run the Government is more important than the economy, fundraising is more important than the economy, and blindly supporting Israel is doing God’s work—and therefore more important than everything. And in that, 4mermainer is right.

        • Anonymous

          Thank you.

      • Anonymous

        Right, Karl Rove’s hand puppet, George W. Bush, didn’t borrow any money from China OR resort to any deficit spending. While we’re at it, I have to love the RED-HERRING of “borrowing money from China.” While China may hold $1.49T in US indebtedness, it is in the form of Treasury bonds which China has been selling off for a while now. As for the “American tradition of human liberty” that’s a nebulous phrase which is nothing but code for “freedom for corporations to take advantage of the populace.”

    • Anonymous

      IMO, the GOP has already been taken over by the parasite Tea Party. They may save themselves if they can find enough traditionalists to tell the surgeons to amputate the malignant tumor that has invaded their body. At the present time I doubt if their voice would be heard by the tumor.
      The best thing would be for them to form a new party while they still have enough connections. Let the Tea Party take full control in order to show the American voters their total lack of workable ideas.

    • Anonymous

      Thanks for an honest assessment. I don’t hold out much hope for today’s GOP. In fact, they are doubling down. As long as they pledge allegiance to Pills Limbaugh and Fake Noise Network, they will continue to dissolve into an extremist irrelevant minority.

  • Guest

    The message of the GOP (still) stinks.

  • Anonymous

    This is a terrific TEAM! YES they CAN move the GOP forward to many more victories for the ME people!

    • Anonymous

      Well, their team capatain is a radical TeaPublican almost as bad as the fanatic he is replacing, and they will therefore continue to dissolve into irrelevance since they will continue pledging allegiance to Grover Norquist, Pills Limbaugh, Fake Noise Network, ALEC, and the Koch Brothers instead of to the people of Maine. Keep dreaming.

      • Anonymous

        You don’t really know what’s going on there. What’s happening is a fight in the GOP between Republicans like Webster who support more big government, and the Liberty people who don’t. Webster and LePage do not represent the same Republicans. Webster is a RINO who supported Romney, LePage is a Conservative Tea Partier. By and large.

  • Anonymous

    The GOP is now two parties and it is imploding. The Tea Party is a group of Fascists and Racists while the Rino Republicans are becoming Independents. It is now a Rural Regional, Southern Party as in the Old South before secession. It has gone full circle and it no longer is the Party of Lincoln.

    • Anonymous

      Please do not put all Tea Party members in the same negative basket. You are very wrong in your way of thinking that all are Fascists and Racists. If that was so, then why are so many Tea Party members in the South, African Americans?

      • Anonymous

        Simply because a group of people choose to align themselves with a party that has gone out of its way to disparage their race, religion, or beliefs does not give that party legitimacy. Some African-Americans choose to align themselves with the TeaParty for their own self-interests. The problem is, that the Tea and Libertarian Parties while touting “personal liberty and freedom” have actually moved pretty close to being anarchy; in other words, it’s everyone for himself.

        • Anonymous

          I totally disagree with your views on this topic. I suggest you attend a Tea Party gathering, one group in Maine was re-reading the Constitution and often everyone learned something new. That has zilch to do with a persons race.

          • Thank you for suggesting that people attend a meeting so that they can finally hear for themselves. Too many people rely upon hearsay! I’m very glad that I got involved and am more convinced everyday that the Republican Party is where I belong. The platforms between the D and R party are uniquely different there is no doubt about that. I look forward to the Republican Party results as everyday we draw closer to being tolerant of the differences. There are many newcomers including myself who are older and former Democrats and Independents who are aware and concerned about the sovereignty of our state and country! There are many newcomers who are younger, who are college students and activists and advocates for individual constitututional and God given rights! There are freedoms lost on a continuous basis that if we can only achieve maintaining them together and then deal with the other issues that affect certain populations; we can be a tremendous country once again! There is much that effects all of us regardless of party! Together we should hear one another and not let the distracting naysaying influence us all too soon.

          • Anonymous

            Thank you Linda for your reply. Your comment was so refreshing and so welcomed. Today I actually got a thumbs down on a caring comment that I made to the young woman whose family died in the fire. That One negative comment demonstrates the lack of decency that is often reflected in comments here. The Tea Party bashing is so wrong as the Bashers have absolutely no understanding about Tea Party meetings. Hearsay is nothing more than nasty gossip. I am a registered Republican , and am often disgusted with the Rep. in DC. I am more of a Patriot but wanted the abilitiy to vote in the primaries, thus registered Rep.
            I believe that together as a nation we can unite if we all try harder. The bashing of our Governor in this paper are disturbing. Many are uninformed and merely form a 5th hand opinion. So to read your comment, I say Thank You.

  • fourCatssoon

    yes after a Pre- frontal lobotomy:)

  • No, the Maine GOP cannot. Way too much water under that bridge. Humpty Dumpty cannot be put together again.

    Look for the liberty movement supporters to move to the Libertarian Party of Maine, the tea party supporters to move to the Constitution Party of Maine, and the remaining Maine GOP establishment pigs to continue their long, slow slide into political irrelevence and obscurity.

    • Anonymous

      Did you write that comment from prison MR Hein

    • Anonymous

      not gonna happen

      • Anonymous

        It already did happen.. were you not around for the election?

        • Anonymous

          was talking about the predictions. Tea party move to Constitution Party? Nope. True Conservatives didn’t leave the GOP, they just didn’t vote for Romney. But what happens is a long, drawn out fight in the GOP, not bailing out.

  • Anonymous

    Question to the Maine Dems can you put forth a candidate that isn’t a flakey, progressive, liberal that might have a chance to win a major office in Maine?

    • Anonymous

      LOL, what are you talking about? Liberals dominate those “major office” races in Maine. LePage was a fluke.

      • Anonymous

        Libby, the Dem, got 19%
        Dill, the Dem, got 13%

        • Anonymous

          Then why is there screeching about RINOs and Independents truly actually being Democrats? You guys are full of garbage. You don’t get to have it both ways.

          • Anonymous

            Wolf – Liberal and Democrat don’t mean the exact same thing. They can’t be used interchangeably always. RINOs are Liberals, but they aren’t Democrats. Angus is a Liberal, but he isn’t a Democrat.

          • Anonymous

            It’s irrelevant to the point. Liberals dominate the big seat elections. You don’t get to screech about the liberal tendencies of King, Cutler, Collins, but then act like the votes for them are irrelevant. That’s nonsense.

          • Anonymous

            I’m making a different point. How is it that the Democratic Party can be so bad at picking candidates? We’re not talking about Liberal or Conservative here, we’re talking about the failure of the Democrat Party.

        • Anonymous

          LeBuffoon, the R, got 38%.
          Summers, the R, got 31%
          LeBuffoon only got in because it was a split race with no run-off provision in Maine. Had there been a run-off between LeBUFFOON and Cutler, Cutler, the moderate with large Democratic and Independent support, would have cleaned his clock. Most Dems supported King because they didn’t want a split vote. Dill was little-known outside the far southern Maine area. Such is the reality of these multi-candidate races. Notice how Pingree and Michaud CRUSHED their GOP opponents. Hmmmm…

          • Anonymous

            But it remains true that Dill, the Democratic Nominee, got only 13%, a pathetic result. And Libby, the Democratic Nominee, got only 19%, also a pathetic result.

      • Anonymous

        The hairy armpit, flakey, progressive, liberal, mid coast women will choose the next candidate to run for Governor of Maine just like they chose Libby Mitchell and Cynthia Dill and that is why the Dems will never win the governorship or the Senate race.

        There will be a third party candidate who will divide the Dems because
        Mainers in the 2nd District will not vote for the flake running. So, much to your dismay Gov Paul LePage will be reelected.

        • Anonymous

          Governor LeBuffoon will get two votes, yours and his. And as to your slanders about “liberal women voters,” please, keep it up. THAT is why the TeaRadicals are going to continue to dissolve into irrelevance as you continue to slander and bad mouth large blocks of the electorate. Your party just LOST women nationally by a significant margin and young single women by about 30 points. So please, keep it up as your pathetic little TeaRadical party continues to go swirling down the flushing electoral toilet.

          • Anonymous

            As a woman I know how women have dissed men in favor of big daddy government. I hang out with mid coast women and most are hairy armpit, flakey, progressive, liberal women. Even with the Dems in control women will continue to be miserable.

          • Anonymous

            Romney, nationally, won white women, but lost black women 96 to 3. Black women really really like Obama. The Democrats are going to have a problem in 2016. They’re not going to be able to get those kind of results from black women again.

      • Anonymous

        The Ds would have won last time if they hadn’t run Libby. I’ll bet Cutler would have won if she’d dropped out.

  • Anonymous

    If Maine Republicans can accept that we’ll never be a socially conservative state, they might be okay. While they’re at it, they need to not listen to the national GOP and strategists, like Matthew Gagnon, who peddle nothing but empty talking points and no action.

    You know, people in Maine might go for limited government if it truly meant limited government. But as it stands, that meme only refers to tax cuts for the rich and union busting. How about true limited government? Smart solutions that are the very least needed?

    Republicans proved they were all talk and no action when their first things on the agenda were fireworks, whoopie pies and increasing child labor. Recalibrate and we might give Republicans another chance.

    • Anonymous

      You forgot the other first things on their agenda which included voter suppression (straight from the national ultra right wing ALEC agenda), attacking womens’ choice rights, attacking other labor rights, attacking public education, and on and on. Small wonder why the Maine GOP just got CRUSHED.

    • Anonymous

      “You know, people in Maine might go for limited government if it truly meant limited government.” Probably true. The Republicans talk about limiting government, but turn around and line their own pockets while increasing government interference in private lives. The Republicans never follow through on making government more efficient and smaller. If they did, and if they dropped the “holier than thou” crap about abortion, gays, etc., they would dominate. But they choose dirty tricks (gerrymandering, voter suppression, kicking back to the donors who bought them the office) instead of actually making government smaller, smarter and faster.

      Democrats? Not quite as bad. But not really very good. So they become the default choice in the “lesser of two evils” politics.

      Why else would competent independent candidates succeed as often as they do in Maine? They tend to be practical and goal-oriented. Repubs and Dems tend to be ideological and party oriented.

  • James Klowning

    Good Luck all of these idiots in the GOP grouped together could care one iota about the working class stiff in Maine. They are un informed, unresponsive and ignorant. Like Penguin they have an agenda that has nothing to do with working and middle class Mainers…I wish them the absolute worst. Merry Christmas

  • Anonymous

    Democrats and Republicans are often indistinguishable. The differences between Romney and Obama were basically whether or not Planned Parenthood gets funding. These expensive wars in the middle east which serve no purpose and never seem to end are supported equally by both parties. We wouldn’t have much of a “fiscal cliff” to worry about if we just stopped spending so much money on wars (and 1000 other things)

    • Anonymous

      Check out the Libertarian positions on wars and extended overseas bases. .. you just might like it.

      • Anonymous

        If Libertarians actually had a coherent environmental policy, they might get somewhere. “Sue them” simply is not sufficient in this day and age.

        • Anonymous

          Au Contraire mr. brookies. The Libertarian principle is “Do no harm to others” which if an individual or a state or a group has a legitimate complaint.. then sue the rocks off the offending party with all deliberate speed and shut them down forthwith. You need to bone up on libertarian thought .. actually, Libertarians believe that the prime and perhaps only function of government is regulation and enforcement to support a fair and just society. The other $3.1 Trillion being spent annually on a multitude of programs is not a proper function of the Federal government .. those are state and community responsibilities.

          • Anonymous

            Nobody really needs to get all excited by Mises and the rest. “Read obscure books” is not the compelling argument you think it is. Even when you’re right. There are a lot of Liberty people who understand that we don’t live in Liberty land right now and would support “No GMO” legislation.

      • Anonymous

        As a political party, the L’s are pointless, pretty much. I know who I voted for in Augusta in May. The Libertarian Party positions aren’t too different from the True Conservative Robert Taft position. An endless battle in the GOP. More war is the Democrat position. Wilson – WWI, Roosevelt – WWII, Truman – Korea, LBJ – Vietnam. Traditionally, the GOP stands for less government, less war, and the Dems for more. I’d like see Irving Kristols kids go back to the Dems, and let the GOP go back to its Conservative traditions of limited Constitutional government.

        • Anonymous

          Well stated.

    • Anonymous

      I wouldn’t say there was parity between the parties… Yes, there were conservative dems that supported the wars along with the radicals on the right… but there have been several popular, intelligent, highly capable, LONG serving progressive dems that opposed both the wars and the economic policies other dems joined with the gop to support, but were hounded out of office with millions of dollars spent in dishonest campaign attacks, or by gerrymandering. The monolithic, parroting of policy the gop in the House exhibits wasn’t at all as evident among the dems in the House. I do agree on many policies the dem leadership has not been all that far from the gop leadership when push comes to shove. They seem to be growing a backbone lately, but as far as war, foreign policy, lockstep, blind devotion to Israel’s apartheid policies and aggression… largely the same…

      • I assume one you’re referring to – my man Russ Feingold – who was one of the US’s absolute best Senators was ousted by the TP movement – one of (many) reasons I think so poorly of them.

        Feingold for president 2016…enough of neocon lite. :D

      • Anonymous

        I recall reading comments on the BDN by Republicans before the recent election, who sounded all gleeful and confident that the gerrymandering would help them big time. It did in some cases, but nothing great. Look how well Mike Michaud did over Raye! So, all their gloating and calculations did not do them much good, overall.

  • Anonymous

    A problem the GOP has in Maine is that they’re locked into the traditional model. Each party wants to ban certain things. The things the GOP doesn’t like and wants to ban are more popular in Maine than the things the Dems want to ban. Maine isn’t particularly religious.

  • Anonymous

    The GOP’s problem in Maine is the same as it is all over the country, and it is only going to worsen. They are out of touch, out of tune, and out of time. And it is a serious mess they have been building for themselves for a long time now. They decided back in the 90’s to stop being the party of Lincoln, TR, Ike, Chase Smith, and Rockefeller and instead decided to become the party of Pills Limbaugh and Fake Noise Network. The GOP base and their Limbaugh type leaders and spokepersons throughout right wing tv and talk radio media are NOT “conservative”. They are radical right wing ideologues and corporate toadies WRONG on social policy and WRONG on economic policy. They are paranoid, close minded, lost in the past, and largely ethnocentric if not outright racist. They label anyone who disagrees with them as “communists, marxists, and socialists.” Two thirds of the GOP base actually believes that our President is not an American citizen, and a majority of them currently thinks they just lost the elections because of ACORN, an organization that no longer exists. They have a very serious information problem, a very serious reality problem, and a very serious worldview problem. Here in Maine their new party chairman is a TeaPublican radical almost as bad as the fanatic he is replacing. Until the GOP returns to reality, they are going to continue to dissolve into self-imposed irrelevance.

    • Anonymous

      Wish you would practice what you preach when it comes to “labeling anyone who disagrees.” Hypocritical and irrelevant. The election is over and it is time to find the compromises that will begin to solve problems. You won! I don’t think the other side needs you to kick sand in their face while they are down. It is time to leave the fight for solutions that will benefit ALL Americans, 100%. We need a Congress that fights for the people of this Country, not R’s or D’s or Hispanics or re-election or the 47% or 98%. We didn’t need a my way or the highway Governor anymore than we need a my way or the highway President.

      • Anonymous

        Tinserblic, unfortunately for the republicans and you, apparently, hit the nail on the head… and in doing so did not contradict a single thing that you have stated… Stating the facts about the state of the national gop is not “kicking sand in their face while they are down…” If the national gop had an ounce of humility they would self-examine the policy agenda and change THAT, not simply their rhetoric… Paul Ryan and Marco Rubio both were recently talking at a big gathering about adopting more “big tent” inclusive positions, repudiating (supposedly) the divisiveness blatantly evident in Romney’s “47%” comments, and in his post-campaign “gifts” comments, but then immediately veered off into descriptions of the EXACT policies that enrich and empower the MINORITY that enjoy the upside of the massive INEQUALITY in this country… Changing the rhetoric but NOT changing the policies that are killing the middle class and hurting the economy by killing the middle class is just MORE OF THE SAME…

        You are absolutely correct when you say, “We need a Congress that fights for the people of this Country…” With the future leaders of the gop saying the same old thing they have been saying for the past 30 years, just dressing up the trappings of that message a little, NOTHING will change with the gop. Trickle-down, supply-side economic policies HAVE BEEN A DISMAL FAILURE. Until THAT is admitted, nothing will change with the gop…

  • Guest

    The Tea Party needs to ride off into the sunset and stop treading on people.

  • Anonymous

    The GOP fails to understand that there is a part of the population, that supports smaller government, but will not accept the poison pills that come along with it. We are not religious conservatives, or at least do not see any need to impose our personal values on others. We believe that to be secure we must balance the budget. We do not support foreign intervention. It is not anarchy we support, it is a set of laws that allow us to protect ourselves, and fight back against those that are stronger or have more resources. We do not want the government to be the ones acting for us, just let us take care of ourselves, and give us the tools to keep the playing field level. Some vote D just to avoid the poison pill, but don’t agree with growing government. Some, hold their nose and still vote R. We the people are here, and need a party that truly represents us. I believe the libertarian party better represents these people, but both parties do their best to be sure they are the only voices at the table. “anarchist” “crazy” are terms both parties use to describe the L’s, and from reading these comments, I feel most people never bother to look any further. Prosperity will only come from freedom, freedom to take risks and have some of them pay off big. When everything is regulated the way it is today, the bureaucracy will stifle enough american ingenuity, that good is our best hope, being great, is no longer within reach

    • I think there is plenty of room for L influence, particularly on smaller scales – town and district races – though as I discussed yesterday with coolfusion, their economic positions are simply too extreme to be viable larger scale solutions. Not just because it’s not politically achievable, but because they aren’t realistic.

      Think of what the flip side is – Socialism. (real socialism, not center left Democratic economics.) – What would you call someone who wanted to move us toward a purely socialist economic system? Maybe not “crazy”, though I imagine it wouldn’t be good, would it?

      Moderate economic positions not only make the most sense, they are most palatable to the majority. The GOP needs to move back to center, not further right.

      Now social positions are a different animal. There is a lot of crossover appeal in social libertarian positions. Many of the L’s issues have overlap in the Democratic and Republican parties. These are issues both sides can find common ground on.

      • Anonymous

        If the GOP moves back to center, government will continue to grow and move left incrementally. I believe we are already beyond sustainable in size of government I also think you are underestimating the L’s economic policies, I know you are well versed on the subject, but when the underlying principle of the place of government is to support your rights, means there will be some regulation that keeps the playing field level, so you can fight back against a corporation, or prevent monopolistic behavior. They’re platform will not make you a victim just because corporations have legal teams that can bury the average citizen. Both the R’s and D’s support the continuation of that ability. The typical GOP leaves you on your own to protect yourself more so then the L’s, and the D’s think its governments place to “protect you, by acting on your behalf”, by being the only way to have enough assets to be able to take on a corporation that is infringing on you. In order to tackle the unsustainable position we are in, the government must truly shrink, the only way I see to do that is to stop them from “acting on your behalf” and shift towards simply putting the tools in place so you can protect yourself.

        • Well, the Dems need to move back towards center too. Both sides are slipping towards the poles, though I think it’s well documented that it’s happening faster on the right.

          Long term sustainability is of course a major concern and needs to be addressed. Both reduced spending and increased taxe revenues need to be part of the formula, asap – though each party is loath to make much concession on this matter.

          Maybe I’m not quite clear on what you’re saying about corporations and regulation. I agree the two parties are both corporate entities (corporate and corporate-lite.) Though…isn’t the basic L message – if a company wrongs someone(s), the free market should be utilized to punish the company and put them out of business, therefore discouraging shady practices? Responsibility, accountability and basic human decency replacing regulation?

          • Anonymous

            your are correct about the basic message, but i’ll highlight a couple excerpts from their platform to highlight it is not a support of anarchy, or leave people on their own.

            Property rights are entitled to the same protection as all other human rights. The owners of property have the full right to control, use, dispose of, or in any manner enjoy, their property without interference, until and unless the exercise of their control infringes the valid rights of others. – the last statement is key here

            Protecting the environment requires a clear definition and enforcement of individual rights in resources like land, water, air, and wildlife. – once again individual freedom is expected to be limited to only where it does not harm or infringe on the rights of others. uncontrolled pollution does not meet that test.

            We oppose all violations of the right to private property, liberty of contract, and freedom of trade. The right to trade includes the right not to trade — for any reasons whatsoever. Where property, including land, has been taken from its rightful owners by the government or private action in violation of individual rights, we favor restitution to the rightful owners.

            Yes they do believe the first defense against abuse is a truly free market, but they also believe it is the place of government, to be the final gate keeper should a monopoly or whatnot gain enough clout to captivate a market, and stifle the freedom by removing choice

  • Anonymous

    Well I sure do hope that Beth O’Connor does “a long of listening” to things like the video of DOLPAC Chairman Eric Brakey and the interview with DOLPAC Executive Director Dave Boyer who used strongarm tactics right out of Saul Alinsky’s book to try to get their choice in.

    These two and their adherents, who Beth O’Connor continually surrounds herself with (literally and figuratively), have been more than up front with their goal to “take over the Republican Party” and “use it as a vehicle.”

    Beth O’Connor had an epiphany about another subversive supporter and needs to have one about DOLPAC and the boys who moved here just last year in order to “take over” the party which Beth O’Connor now helps to lead.

    Danger, danger Will Robinson! Beth O’Connor: I hope you sense the danger
    you are walking into with these people attaching themselves to you and
    advising you.

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