Comments for: Winslow man charged with murder after China man shot dead outside Waterville bar

Posted Dec. 05, 2012, at 7:18 a.m.
Last modified Dec. 05, 2012, at 6:29 p.m.

WATERVILLE | A Winslow man has been charged with murder in connection with the death of a man who was shot outside a Waterville bar Tuesday night, authorities said. Justin V. Smith, 26, of China was shot at approximately 11 p.m. Tuesday outside You Know Who’s Pub on the …

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  • Anonymous

    Waterville is a tough town. Just ask the governor.

    • Anonymous

      But don’t take his picture. He hates that!

      • Anonymous

        Actually, he probably doesn’t mind his picture being taken. It is the quotes that are driving him foolish. It sounds like they may be driving the Koch brothers crazy too with his tendency to put his mouth in gear before engaging his brain.

  • Anonymous

    Hmmmmmm let’s look at the equation…….ETOH + Gun + Testosterone = what could possibly go wrong ?

    • Anonymous

      It is everyone’s sacred second amendment right to bring a gun to a bar fight. And if someone gets killed, well, freedom isn’t free™, guns don’t kill people, people kill people™, he could just as well have killed him by running him over with a car™, the laws we have are just fine, they only need to be enforced™, if the other fellow had a gun too, we could have had a “fair” shootout™, if everyone in the bar were armed, they could have defended the victim™.
      And, above all, let’s not have any talk about diminishing the profits of the death industry. It is almost the only thing we lead the world in these days.

      • Anonymous

        Perfectly stated and unfortunately you are correct….we do lead the developed world in having the highest gun related homicides…..go figure.

        • Anonymous

          Crazy isn’t it? We have the third largest population in the world, and allow guns to be carried by almost anyone–strange isn’t it that with those unbelievable circumstances that we would lead the world in gun related crime. Who would have thought?!

        • Anonymous

          Perfectly stated except the minor detail that it’s just not factual that the second amendment allows guns in bar fights or in bars at all for that matter. So, we already have a law against guns in bars, and yet this guy seems to have had one. So what do you suggest, that we make it doubly or triply illegal to have a gun in a bar? If one law clearly making an act illegal doesn’t do it, pass two of three more laws! Short of a big magnet coming out of the sky and permanently removing the millions of guns currently in the US, how do you suggest that guns be kept out of the hands of people who are willing to break the law? Passing more gun control laws will ensure that law abiding people don’t have access to guns, but they won’t keep guns out of the hands of those willing to break that law any more than drug laws keep drugs out of the hands of those who don’t mind breaking the law to get them.

      • Anonymous

        Actually, guns are not allowed at a bar by state law…

        • Anonymous

          Clearly an effective law…..

          • Anonymous

            Drugs are illegal too, yet its rampant throughout the state. So your point is?

          • Anonymous

            Yes, clearly drugs and guns are the same thing simply due to the commonality that they are both illegal. Not quite.

            How many people have you heard about being killed by someone else administering illegal drugs in their body against their will ? Probably not many. Do people die from drug use ? Yes. Generally due to their own addiction and inability to successfully manage their addiction. Not quite the same thing as someone being shot to death (against their will) by someone else who has a gun.

            Drugs are not mentioned in the Constitution as a right, that said, perhaps not every imbecile who wants to own a gun should have access to owning a gun- THAT was my point.

          • Nunya Biznez

            He could have stabbed him to death. Should we ban blades as well?

          • Anonymous

            And my point is that you can try to put as many laws on the books as you want against guns, but the further you push, the closer you will only end up infringing on the second amendment rights of legal gun owners. That is the thing about criminals…the law means nothing to them. So adding new laws and making tighter gun restrictions won’t help at all. It will not stop crime.

            You always hear the old story that some young kid is a great person, never had a problem with the law or got into trouble. One day they stumbled onto drugs, got addicted, and suddenly became a criminal–and once caught people crawl out of the woodwork saying how good of a person they were/are. How is gun ownership any different? Someone obtains a gun legally, has a clean background, and then they do something like this? Its impossible to prevent. So how would tighter gun restrictions help in situations like this? Granted, I am not saying its the case here, but I bet there are many instances like this out there.

            Its not like he got away with his crime. He was caught and will ultimately serve time in prison–unless of course our strict judicial system decides to pass blame onto something besides the individual committing the crime, which is always likely in this state.

          • Nunya Biznez

            Amen. If he had stabbed him to death with a knife would we talk about banning knives?

        • Anonymous

          they are with two conditions.

          1- the person with a firearm cannot be drinking

          2- the bar does not have a sign that bars people from carrying.

          • Anonymous

            3- the person is a private eye or law enforcement officer.

          • Anonymous

            you are correct, if they are performing their official duties both are exempt. if they are off duty they are not

          • Anonymous

            Incorrect… Any establishment thats primary purpose is to sell alchohol than firearms are not allowed, unless LE or Private Investigator… This goes for CCW carriers as well, drinking or not

          • Anonymous

            you should look it up. here is the section that applies, and below is a link to the entire law book.

            “A. Not being a law enforcement officer or a private investigator licensed under

            Title 32, chapter 89 and actually performing as a private investigator, the person

            possesses any firearm on the premises of a licensed establishment posted to

            prohibit or restrict the possession of firearms in a manner reasonably likely to come

            to the attention of patrons, in violation of the posted prohibition or restriction; or

            B. While under the influence of intoxicating liquor or drugs or a combination of

            liquor and drugs or with an excessive blood-alcohol level, the person possesses a

            firearm in a licensed establishment.

            http://www.maine.gov/dps/msp/licenses/documents/Weapons/CFP%20Booklet.pdf

        • In a bar. Though the fight took place outside the bar according to the above, so isn’t this sidebar moot?

          • Anonymous

            I was just about to say the same thing. The law prevents guns from being inside of a bar, it says nothing about being around or near one.

          • Anonymous

            The only murder I ever witnessed was a fellow shot outside a bar…by the bartender! Now I don’t trust bartenders. And now you tell me I can’t carry in a bar?!

      • imfromwinslow

        actually the second amendment has nothing to do with bringing guns into bars. it has to do with having a gun if you are in a militia that is fighting for our country. not everyone has a right to have a gun in this country.

        • Anonymous

          Well I’m sure the guy who did the shooting is in the militia….not just some behaviorally dysregulated person who has no business owning a gun. I feel safer already.

        • Anonymous

          actually we do… check out mcdonald v chicago from 2010.

      • Anonymous

        Oh stop it. We could ban guns if you would like, but its not going to stop crime or deaths at the hands of criminals. Had he not had a gun and he was enraged enough to kill this person, he would have just used another weapon. So rather than play the tired old game of blaming inanimate objects, please come forward with a real way to resolve the problem of people committing crimes and murders.

        Obviously the law is not enough of a deterrent to some–though I bet in the coming weeks we will get to see the blame be put on something else anyway. The guy was insane, he was off his meds, he has a drinking problem, and of course let’s blame the gun. Let’s blame everything but the individual for grabbing a weapon and murdering someone over an argument. That individual is just a victim of the NRA’s overpowering control on guns…right? I guess I just don’t understand why we cannot ever put blame where its due, on the individual, when a gun is involved. Had he used another weapon, its just senseless violence, but put a gun into the situation and we must do something about the rampant gun problem!

      • Anonymous

        We do have a sacred 2nd amendment right; however, unless you are a sworn police officer you cannot bring a gun to a bar fight because it is illegal to carry a firearm (open or concealed) on your person into a liquor establishment.

        • Anonymous

          you can carry (concealed not open), in a bar in Maine. unless they have a sign to prohibit it, or you are drinking.

          17-A M.R.S.A. § 1057, Possession of firearms in an establishment licensed for onpremises

          consumption of liquor

          1. A person is guilty of criminal possession of a firearm if:

          A. Not being a law enforcement officer or a private investigator licensed under

          Title 32, chapter 89 and actually performing as a private investigator, the person

          possesses any firearm on the premises of a licensed establishment posted to

          prohibit or restrict the possession of firearms in a manner reasonably likely to come

          to the attention of patrons, in violation of the posted prohibition or restriction; or

          B. While under the influence of intoxicating liquor or drugs or a combination of

          liquor and drugs or with an excessive blood-alcohol level, the person possesses a

          firearm in a licensed establishment.

        • Kenneth LaVoie

          I know the gun battle rages on and this incident will move the throttle ahead a little locally, I’m sure. Guns are very dangerous. I know guns can be so incredibly dangerous. They are a “magnifier” — they magnify stupidity, anger, carelessness, etc. However, one fact remains. If we are NOT allowed to have them, but the government is, well, history says that is not such a good idea…..

          • Yes, thank God for our 2nd Amendment rights so we can defend ourselves against the government, if need be.

            Because we all know the weaponry we the citizens carry can easily match or overwhelm the weapons the government owns…

        • Anonymous

          LMAO “sacred”. Where in the bible, koran, torah, rig-veda, or any other religious text does it say even one word about owning a gun?

          If people had to pass a basic intelligence test to own a gun, we’d have orders of magnitude less gun crime. Of course, this policy would need to have been in place for about 100 years already to be effective. No turning back at this point.

    • Yeah, but now he gets props from the homies. He’s a tough guy.

  • Anonymous

    Seasonal depression?

  • Anonymous

    waterville is a cesspool of a city. i had the misfortune of living there for a few years before i came to my senses and left. my condolences to the family.

    • Nunya Biznez

      Waterville isn’t a cesspool. One shooting doesn’t make the whole place a cesspool! I work in Waterville and I find this to be a pleasant, quiet, peaceful town. Yes, you have bad apples, but you get that everywhere. I’d rather live here than Chicago where they had over 400 homicides this year.

      • Anonymous

        i think you may be the only person i’ve ever met that’s describe waterville as pleasant, quiet and peaceful. in all seriousness, i’m glad you enjoy the place, i did not.

        • Nunya Biznez

          Maybe it is all a matter of perspective? I try and look on the bight side of life and I realize that there are much worse places to be. Many of them, in fact.

          • Anonymous

            yes, it is of course relative. let’s just put it this way, i’m from maine, but i’ve lived all over the eastern us, and waterville was among the worst. sure, there are worse places out there, but you hear of them and stay away from them. when i came to waterville, i didn’t expect the kind of rampant drug and alcohol abuse, theft (petty and not so petty), and other assorted crime in a small maine city even though, statistically speaking, i think it hovers around the national average in terms of crime. like i said before, i’m glad you like waterville, and i truly hope it improves. perhaps this young man’s senseless death will help spur improvement.

          • Nunya Biznez

            I lived in Boston back in 1999-2000 and I was mugged on Christmas Eve.

      • Anonymous

        Waterville HAS become a cesspool. The city itself is still pretty nice……..but man, the amount of druggies, drug dealers, shady criminals, transients that have moved into the Waterville area is pretty troublesome.

    • Anonymous

      Augusta is trying hard to be the cesspool champ.

  • Anonymous

    What is it about Waterville? I hear so many negative things about that town, not the least of which is the amount of illegal drugs availabe on practically every street corner. Glad I’m 70 miles away from that town.

    • Anonymous

      No jobs, no hope, too many drugs…it is sad. May God bring comfort to the family.

      • Davida Willette

        look at bangor

        • Anonymous

          look at lewiston.

          • Anonymous

            look at Waterville……..much worse than both of them.

    • Anonymous

      pretty much what taxpayer1958 said. its an old mill town with no mills. it was bad when i lived there over a decade ago and from what i understand, it has gotten a lot worse.

  • erick

    love u buddy….forever missed

    RIP JS

  • this is a tragedy… i don’t know the particulars of this situation… but i did live in Waterville and had a business looking out over the concourse. the combination of poverty, lack of jobs, and availability of prescription drugs leads to a poor quality of life. ad guns to despair and addiction and more death is the result

  • jadim

    Maine is getting worse year after year. Another senseless death. My condolences and prayers for the family.
    Be it guns, knives or what ever is used, the way life should be isn’t no more. It’s not the wild west here, It’s Maine. Stemming the epic increase of drugs and violence needs to be the main goal of all Maine people.
    I.M.O.

  • And they say guns don’t kill people.. hmmmm……

    • Anonymous

      you’re right.
      In fact, every day I leave for work i have to disassemble my gun and put every part locked away in seperate safes.
      If I left it assembled it might grow legs and walk out my door and kill someone while i’m away.

      Guns don’t kill people.
      People kill people.
      guns just make it easier to do so.
      although knives are just as effective at close range.

    • Anonymous

      They don’t. He killed someone not the gun!

      • yeah right.. they both did

  • Davida Willette

    chris coleman must be getting pretty tired on being spokesman for all these murders

  • Anonymous

    Even a tragedy doesn’t stop some people from expressing political opinions…what a shame…..

  • Anonymous

    Waterville has become a hole. Really too bad…….it used to be such a nice little city with a very nice downtown………now it looks like the dregs of Massachusetts with a bunch of drugged out criminals walking around.

  • changemuststartnow

    I am astonished at the amount of comments that are left here and the lack of condolences that were expressed but instead rants about the Governor and Waterville and anything else that frustrated you today.
    Did everyone forget that a man was killed last night? That children are left without a father, a mother and father without a son, a sister without a brother?

    I had hoped to see all the comments that that stated how wonderful a person Justin was but instead most wanted to rant their opinions which is fine but find a better place than here please and at the very least wish the family well!

    With that said may Justin rest in peace and guide and teach the rest of us to be strong as we try to make this world a better place for his children to grow. My prayers go out to his family, children and all of our friends.

    <3

    • Anonymous

      Well said! There seems to be a great lack of empathy and compassion in the hearts of many of those who comment on tragic stories such as this one. My condolences to this young man’s family and friends for their tragic loss, as well. And may his killer be brought to justice.

    • pete

      Very well said but the truth of the matter is that Waterville is a cesspool

    • Anonymous

      Here’s a tip, if your family is in the BDN for any reason DO NOT READ THE COMMENTS!

  • Rocky4

    30 years old?? Looks 50. Sheeesh!

  • Anonymous

    I was scrolling through the comments hoping to read something about the victim or assailant from someone who knew either of them. Someone to put a better prospective on the human side of the story, and it’s two main characters. Sharing something more substantial than a simple RIP JS might give us a better understanding of those involved, and the impact this unfortunate incident will have on those that know them and the members of their communities.
    So far, there is nothing mentioned here, or in the article, that would lead one to believe that either of the two have any redeeming qualities that would cause us to be the least bit remorseful. Doesn’t anyone who knows them have anything positive to say about them?

  • EasyWriter

    I don’t know Waterville very well, especially the nightlife but did this pub have some Tuesday evening attraction that brought out a crowd each week; being that one man was from Winslow and one from China? Especially on a Tuesday evening, especially if one (Partridge) was going to be driving after drinking. Couple more lives wasted. Be a shame if either man has children who will be without their father….one of them forever.

    • Anonymous

      the deceased just had a child a few months ago.

  • Anonymous

    Chris Coleman just gets creepier and creepier looking… lost a lot of weight since the Dan Borders case, he just looks sketchy… opening his mouth less when he speaks and he and his company always seem to be smirking about something…

  • Anonymous

    This guy looks like the type of pudgy, ineffectual little loser who typifies those that tote guns around with them.

    • Anonymous

      I carry, and I look and act nothing like that.

  • Anonymous

    Note to the editors: the appropriate designation would have been “Chinese man.” Or just, you know, “man.” Since his being Chinese has nothing whatsoever to do with the story.

    Additional reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinaman_(term)

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