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  • Anonymous

    @ Christie McNally,

    Wow, what a crock. Collins certainly did trash Ambassador Rice for no other reason than a political one.
    Ambassador Rice was doing her job. She delivered the talking points that she was given. If she had done other than that, then that would be a reason to criticize
    her.
    Collins was spouting the same talking points as Graham, Ayott and McCain. One could close one’s eyes and substitute anyone for the other. This is about getting Scott Brown back in the senate and taking on a close advisor to the President.
    There is much to investigate here and Collins should do that, but she should do it in a honorable way, not as she has done here. If Collins were for real, she would be speaking to all the continued cuts to State and identifying our ‘leaders’ who voted for them.
    And to speak about Ambassador Rice going on Sunday shows, is patently absurd and another reason dismiss Collins disgraceful witch hunt. The emperor Collins has no clothes.

    • Anonymous

      If Rice was delivering the “talking points she was given” as you say then she was thrown to the wolves by a higher power and what does that say about her employers.

      • Anonymous

        What I don’t get is why the talking points matter, what does it change? Nothing, it changes nothing, Saying it was a terrorist attack right after, or 14 days after Literary changes nothing. The families are not going to all of a sudden say, ohh it was a terrorist attack, then that fine that they died. They are not investigating anything that will help anything, they are investigating talking points, This investigating will help nothing and do nothing.

        • Anonymous

          You have answered your own question. Makes any kind of response pointless.

          • Anonymous

            Because this whole discussion on this issue is stupid. Was any story ever broke. The White house started releasing more information as it came in. If I remember correctly this investigation was only started after all the information was out.
            Edit: You responded by the way.

          • Anonymous

            See That’s the problem. The White House didn’t release “more information as it came in.” They did it three weeks later.

          • Anonymous

            yet we know what happened, no need to investigate.

          • Anonymous

            That I am afraid is the whole point.. why is the WH stalling?

          • Anonymous

            Stallinga about what? We know the information about that night.

          • Cecil Gray

            Most investigations, including local police investigations, with hold some info that is key to the investigation.

      • Anonymous

        Susan Rice was given her talking points by the CIA. Sometimes they change things to protect the people on the ground in these areas that feed them information. Giving people instant or early access to every bit of informatiion the CIA has available is not always a good thing.

        • Anonymous

          And we now know that the CIA had a lot of CYA to cover on this one.

        • Anonymous

          We also know the talking points were redacted, likely by the White House.

          • Anonymous

            Actually, there is no proof that the White House changed anything so you shouldn’t speculate.

          • Anonymous

            But according to testimony we know it wasn’t the CIA. According to the director he knew immediately. Pass on information immediately.

            It is possible someone at State did it… otherwise its the White House

          • Anonymous

            Proof?

          • Anonymous

            I would say that as we know it wasn’t the CIA or defense it had to be State or the WH. You need to prove it wasn’t them.

          • pbmann

            No you need to prove your assertion.

          • Anonymous

            You know as well as I do that the proof is being buried as deep as they can manage.

          • Anonymous

            Really, cause I know exactly what happend that night, everyone does.

          • Anonymous

            The subject of this thread is not what happened that night but what happened in the administration in the following days and weeks. Who made the decision to attempt the coverup? Who made the decision to not send help?

          • Anonymous

            In your first senetence you tell me its not about that night, then in your last question you are asking about something that happened that night. Also what cover up? The administration said it was a terrorist attack 13 days later. There was not pressure at the time to do so. This investigation will not help the USA in any way shape or form. Its literary about talking points.

          • Anonymous

            Anyone with a lick of common sense knowledge about the middle east knows that there are not spontaneous demonstrations that include RPG’s and machine guns.

          • pbmann

            No they were redacted by other security entities.

            Nice try.

      • Anonymous

        Gee, I hope your criticisms also extend to Reagan over the 200 marines blown up in Lebanon (not to mention Iran Contra and his secret wars in Central America to prop up horrid dicators there), and to Bush for lying us into Iraq, and to McSAME for singing “Bomb bomb bomb Iran.”, and to the all the rest of the rotten horrid CORRUPT right wing rottenness this country has had to endure over the years, As to Benghazi, it was a tragedy, and there is no scandal of any kind so enough of that nonsense, Those responsible will be hunted down and eliminated, and security assessments have already been adjusted and improved dramatically. This was a very confusing situation as all such incidents are, and they are investigating. So enough of the HYPOCRITICAL and NONSENSICAL and EMPTY right wing politically motivated witch hunt, and SHAME on Collins for parroting right wing baseless talking points. VERY disappointing.

        • Anonymous

          My nephew was one of those marines who died in Lebanon. The problem was bleeding heart liberals who were so concerned about some civilian getting shot and the bad publicity that would result that the soldiers guarding the facility had unloaded weapons.

          The same sort of skewed priorities that made us vulnerable in Libya to an attack. Same with the Cole incident. .

          • Anonymous

            Umm, you mean exactly what should happen. Civilians should not be killed.

          • Cecil Gray

            Pure BS.

          • pbmann

            Reagan was the Commander-in-Chief who ordered that the US Marines were based in a poorly protected land base and then allowed them to not take proper security procedures all the whole they could have just as effectively been based off of a secure US Carrier Task Force.

      • Anonymous

        You know damn well that immediately after something like that happens the facts aren’t all known.

        • Anonymous

          They overflew the area with drones…. they had real time intell. Events went on for seven hours. They moved troops into position to help. They had phones calls from staff that there were machine guns and RPG’s. Common sense would tell anyone that it wasn’t a “spontaneous demonstration” over a little known internet film clip.

          • Anonymous

            Common sense tells me this is Republicans exploiting deaths for political gain and it’s sickening.

          • Anonymous

            Or perhaps Republicans hiding complicity… and not wanting the world to know. That’s sickening.

          • Anonymous

            We went to war because of non-existent WMDs. Your party has absolutely no credibility on these kinds of matters. Your feigned outrage on this is sickening. Your “I know you are, but what am I?” routine doesn’t change that and it never will, so you can stop doing it already.

        • Anonymous

          Romney was making political hay of it almost instantaneously, and well before any of the facts were in. I would say the timing of his statements was unfortunate (to put it politely), not to mention the big grin on his face. Now that’s what I would call disgusting.

      • Anonymous

        I do not know Susan Rice and up until the aftermath of the Benghazi attacks I would guess that very few Americans even knew she existed or what position she held. I could care less if she is appointed Secretary of State or not. Four Americans lost their lives in the Benghazi attack and that is a horrible thing. Senator Collins as well as Senators McCain and Graham are right in saying that the American people have a right to know what happened on that tragic day. We as Americans have not only the right but a duty to question the actions of our elected and appointed officials. It is commendable that the afore mentioned Senators are as concerned about not only the 4 tragic deaths but also information that was released to the American people. I do have some questions concerning the motivation of Senators Collins, McCain and Graham however. Senator Collins in the same statement in which she declared that she had reservations about Ms. Rice’s abilities to become Secretary of State went on to endorse Senator John Kerry (D-Mass) for the job. I found that strange in as much as no one has been nominated to replace Mrs. Clinton as Secretary of State. Prior to the United States invading Iraq and as justification for the attack a then sitting Secretary of State went before the United Nations and proclaimed that Iraq had a weapons of mass destruction program. He even went on in great length to detail how they were being. manufactured in labs contained in trailer trucks. Almost 4500 brave Americans have died as a result of that invasion and almost ten years later not one weapon of mass destruction has been found. I don’t seem to recall Senators Collins, McCain or Graham being as outraged over those almost 4500 American deaths as they have been about the 4 in Benghazi.

    • Anonymous

      What should be investigated is the reduction of funding for security for our Ambassadors. The republicans have cut funding by millions over the last 3 years.

      • Anonymous

        that is why they rather investigate talking points, instead of things that would actually help.

    • Anonymous

      Where is the letter you responded to?

      • Anonymous

        Somehow the letter about Susan Collins/Susan Rice got deleted. It was there earlier in the day and when I came back to the Letters, this one was gone.

      • Anonymous

        Good question. Someone seems to have removed the letter from Christie McNally. It was an apologia for Susan Collins.
        Strange, huh ?
        We should start an investigation and begin with Collin’s office.

  • Anonymous

    Ms. McNally, if Senator Collins were focusing on what failures in security at the consulate caused these deaths, I might treat her inquiry as legitimate. Such an inquiry would necessarily look at Congressional failure to respond to State Department requests for better security finding.

    Instead, Senator Collins is focusing on a single round of interviews in which Ambassador Rice merely re-stated the CIA’s talking points. No one died because of those talking points. No future deaths will be avoided were we to investigate those talking points. If Senator Collins wishes to investigate speech, she should focus on the statements by Condaleezza Rice leading up to the Iraq War which falsely warned of mushroom clouds. There we have misstatements that caused over 4000 American soldiers to lose their lives.

    • Anonymous

      Amb. Rice lied about the debacle in Libya to cover-up the Obama disaster that caused the death of 4 Americans. Rice should do jail time and Obama should be impeached for this treasonous behavior. Nothing is expendable to win an election, billions of dollars or people’s lives.

      • Anonymous

        Don’t you mean CIA disaster? Hyperbolic to the end.

      • Anonymous

        BS. Stupid, partisan comment, Bonney. Turn off Faux News. You’ll find a decidedly more peaceful outlook to life.

      • Anonymous

        Does it frustrate you that no matter how hard the right wing is trying, Bengazi just won’t become a scandal?

        Seriously, the narrative from you folks changes with every new revelation. The facts of the case don’t matter to you, what matters is standing against the Democrats, facts be damned.

      • Anonymous

        Ummm. that is completely wrong. We know exactly what happened in libya. The talking points after the attack didn’t go back and re-kill those 4 Americans. Also, say they did call it a terrorist attack right after, those 4 americans would still be dead. They are not investigating how the americans dies, but the talking points afterwards. You seriously think what they said after the attack killed those americans?

      • Anonymous

        Rice knew she was lying, but the administration gambled that they could bury the whole incident and present it as not their fault. Rice was put out there thinking her appearance where Hiliary really should have been would grease the path for her to become secretary of state.

        By purposely ordering the administration to lie to the American public for political reasons, (to make sure this incident did not damage Obama’s election chances), Obama committed treason. He should be impeached, tried, and put before a firing squad.

        • Anonymous

          The story came out 13 days later with no pressure to do so. THis whole investigation resulted in the Admin saying it was a terroirst attack, and GOP saying why didn’t you call it earlier.

      • Anonymous

        You have put off that test for hydrophobia too long, Bonny. It is time to see your doctor before you start advocating the lynching of the President and Ambassador Rice.

        • Anonymous

          Yep, that test is way overdue. LOL

      • Cecil Gray

        I see you are still just a plain old hypothetical wacko whom I’m sure supported Condi Rice’s appointment.

    • Anonymous

      Condi Rice also talked about aluminum tubes that she said could only be used as centrifuge components, implying as part of a uranium enrichment program for a nuclear weapon. The State Dept at the very same time was saying, no, the type of aluminum was not suitable for centrifuges, but for missile casings. Big difference, although C. Rice’s sensational description, in line with the Bush admin talking points across the board and laid on thick, is what prevailed… Collins, McCain, Graham all supported C. Rice as SoS.

      Personally I DON’T support Susan Rice as SoS, but the reasons are not because of Libya and the disingenuous BS coming out of the embarrassing GOP theatrics and posturing.

  • Anonymous

    Good letters all.

  • Guest

    ……

    • Anonymous

      You said it. I happens when people watch “reality” shows thinking they are actually real.

    • What’s that have to do with driving?

  • Anonymous

    Dr. Dechenes, unfortunately, that IS who we are… Attacks on social safety nets that are intended to keep the sick and elderly off the streets are failing, and the streets are seeing more and more of these people. The GOP is NOW ferociously attacking “entitlements” instead of attacking INEQUALITY in incomes, in wealth, in opportunity, in tax policies, and in OBSCENE military spending…

    That IS who we are… even in spite of elections, the attacks continue against those least represented, least able to defend themselves, ENRICHING those with the most, those that profit from wars, death and destruction… THAT IS WHO WE ARE…

  • Anonymous

    The only thing missing in Dr. Dechenes letter is the physical fact of people dying in the streets. She has already defined the situation. The only thing left is for the actual fact of people dying in the streets.

  • Anonymous

    Dr. Dechenes: I couldn’t agree more. I’m sure you’re working with other care docs to end fee-for-service, give more latitude to nurses, end drug maker kickbacks, and connect reimbursements with outcomes.

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