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  • Anonymous

    it appears that once again a program is put into affect and there was not sufficient training.(an article of this nature needs to be written with both sides engaged not just the MEA) We need to be careful in dealing with discipline in schools we also need to be mindful of the teachers and administrators well being also. One should not have to stand back while a child is retaliating for whatever reason.

    • Anonymous

      The heck with the administrators, The teachers are the ones on the front lines

      • Anonymous

        i fixed it as i meant to include the teachers and administrators. Have a nice day.

      • Yawningattrolls

        Teachers are a dime a dozen – ask any school or district administrator! And the MEA is too busy pushing their personal political agenda – from a retired teacher……

  • Anonymous

    Stakeholders!!!! You mean the people. Stakeholders is a term they use under aganda 21.

    • Guest

      You have been pushing that button too long and hard……….
      Agenda 21 the new tall tale the GOP nuts are trying to sell.

      • Anonymous

        sounds more about democrats, and politically correctness.

      • Anonymous

        Agenda 21
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agenda_21

        and if you don’t read, here is a youtube video, less than 9 mins of your time, maybe you’ll understand why some of us are ticked off
        Agenda 21 for Dummies
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIgHK5x-4fY

        • Guest

          I don’t live in a fantasy world. I am aware of Agenda 21. If I wasn’t I wouldn’t have made a comment.

          • Anonymous

            Obviously you are not aware.

          • Guest

            Obviously you are living in fear……. how sad.

          • Anonymous

            Funny comment, and ridiculous…..I fear nothing!
            angustifolia… exposed.

          • Guest

            LMAO. I feel like I’m being entertained here. Keep the laughs coming….

          • Anonymous

            Good Lord, the entertainer thinking it is being entertained. How comical.

            And all this over your mininterpetation of Agenda 21, which has absolutely nothing to do with this article, and has nothing to do with the GOP.It is however, a product of a UN Conference on Enviromental Development held in Rio in 1992….some twenty years ago, and was addressed again in 2007, 2002 and 2012.
            AND, since it is not a treaty, the SENATE (demorat controlled), could not hold formal debate nor vote on it, however those who have spoken in support of it are none other than the uber left wing loons, Pelosi, Kerry and Reid.

            Now, THAT is worth a huge laugh, a HUGE LAUGH!

          • Guest

            You are entertaining and persistent.

            Agenda 21 is nothing to fear. It is not destructive to the “American” way of life.

            You listen to too much Beck, Jake Robinson and Judd Saul. They’re nuts.
            It is not treason as some tea party whacks are trying to claim.

            George HW Bush signed the damned this at the 1992 Summit in Rio.
            It’s nothing but the latest thing for the tea party to rally around as their next conspiracy.

            I own a large parcel of land. I’m not worried.

          • Anonymous

            Persistent I am.
            And I do not fear it or anything else.
            And you don’t know who I “listen” to.
            And quite honestly, I could care less about 21, which means nothing to me. It was the point of contention in the discussion. Nothing more.

          • Anonymous

            A laughable comment, and ridiculous too. I fear nothing!
            But I have something you should fear….
            angustifolia….exposed

          • Anonymous

            I fear nothing…angustifolio….I do however have something you should fear…

          • Guest

            You are truly paranoid as no one has been deleting your abusive and nasty posts. You people need to get a grip on that paranoia that is enveloping you. I don’t know a soul that works for this paper! LOL!

          • Anonymous

            Oh yes, the paranoia…..gadzooks it is everywhere and enveloping us all….OH the horror….the horror.

          • Guest

            It seems to have taken it’s toll on you. Sad.

          • Anonymous

            Then why would you say tall tale and GOP when it’s the agenda of the UN and globalists of any party?

          • Guest

            Only those who are brainwashed by the GOP believe the sky is falling and Agenda 21 will be part of it.

          • Anonymous

            What. Ever. lol

      • Anonymous

        Maine Stakeholder, is anyone in the world with any connection to Maine. If anyone in China owns Maine Bonds or land in Maine That person is a Maine Stakeholder, The littlest thing can make anyone in the world a Stakeholder in the united States. Thus have a say in what happens here.. I say lets keep it “citizen”.. you know why they are doing that already anyway. It is actually something Bill Clintone along with Al Gore came up with to charge everyone in the country to exist. Carbon Footprint was part of it. You know it to be true. One world control of everyones life. First you have to bankrupt the USA

        • Anonymous

          “stakeholder” are usually special and vested interest. who want to set or control an agenda that benefits them at others’ expense.

          So for example the Koch brothers or The US Chamber or casino adelson would be BIG ( or consider themselves to be ) “stakeholders “.in the most recent election.. They held a “stake” in the out come.

      • Anonymous

        Agenda 21 is a UN “new world order depopulation” scheme, and has nothing to do with the GOP.

        Best to engage brain before putting mouth in gear.
        http://www.infowars.com/agenda-21-for-dummies-new-world-order-depopulation-exposed/

    • Anonymous

      stake holder = vested interest .

      • Anonymous

        So being a citizen isn’t mandatory.. Chinese have a vested interest in the USA, by our debt to them.. People who except this UN crap will be surprised when the fairytale ends

  • I don’t care what the rules of restraint are, if you are getting assaulted and can’t defend yourself for fear of losing your job, something is SERIOUSLY wrong!

    • Dope Boy

      Ain’t that the truth ! And the way the ‘tea-party’ all over the country has attack the teachers and schools, they are waiting in the bushes to sue you.

      And you’ll find most of those children acting whacky come from a background of ignoramus. Parents no more fit to own a pet much lest be having children.

      You could not pay me enough to teach in today’s hostile environment.
      Dammed if you do, and Dammed if you don’t…

      And less we forget also why charter schools are being pimped before the public. Look no further then the Bush dynasty, ‘ole Jeb Bush former governor of Florida trying to turn education into a profit driven entity, much the same way as the charlatans did with the privatization of the prison system in the 1990’s.

      The new capital venture in this new century is ‘charter schools and homeless shelters/soup kitchens’.

      Meanwhile under the cloak of property tax savings with a legion of backwater-jacks as their army ‘the tea-party’ proudly waves some phony b.s. under the guise of constitutionality. (and their rug-rats are as dumb as they are)

      • Anonymous

        “You could not pay me enough to teach in today’s hostile environment.
        Dammed if you do, and Dammed if you don’t”

        LOL, yeah, and this ALL came about during the resurgance the limited government tea party over the last two years…..give me a break

        if you can’t see how too much regulation, too many rules, and way too much government involvment has led to the situation you are gripping about now, shamelessly (and idiotically) attempting to place blame on the only people in the room who could actually solve the problem, I think you may need to spend a bit more time on your own education before chimming in on the situation of others.

        • Dope Boy

          Problem is you want to replace them with Pedro and Sasha for $9 bucks an hour and no benefits.

          Who do you think your kidding. We can replace Math, Science and Reading with Drug Sales & Prostitution.

          I mean why not, right !
          Be careful what you wish for. The solution is to sterilize any Ron Paul and Gary Johnson supporters and those who still had to hold their nose when they voted for that Mormon prince.

          • Yawningattrolls

            Sir, you are an out of touch individual; I suspect from your irrelevant rantings that you are simply a troll.

        • I rarely agree with you Jack, though you’re right here. Overly sensitive, PC policies are at play here.

        • Anonymous

          Capt. Smith didn’t even address your comment. I can respect differing views to an extent, but this political partisan hack crap drives me up a wall, no matter which side it come from. Capt. Smith gets my ‘brainless whack job of the day” award.

      • Anonymous

        Probably NO connection whatsoever that most of “those” children come from homes comfortably and happily in bed with the liberal nirvana known as the welfare state? Riiiight.

        • Dope Boy

          Interesting though that most are Ron Paul and Gary Johnson supporters. Which I would not label them as flaming ‘conservatives’, but it’s interesting how so many especially the young and ill/uniformed can be so mislead, hiding behind the clever use of words like ‘freedom’, as they themselves milk the D.C. gravy train. Buying it hooked,lined and sinker, well that ‘code’ is easy when you hide behind the constitution. And if Ron Paul seems to old for some will just throw a younger version up there like a Gary Johnson.

          Over 20 years on that hill of thorns and all he really ever got accomplish was talk a good line, what you wanted to hear. Not a damn thing though for the average American.

          I once lived in Texas for nine years, I truly know it’s not one’s character that bothers some. (even if they don’t realize it)

      • Anonymous

        That tinfoil hat is on way too tight!

      • Anonymous

        I sure hope you are not in education. Many of the children who are behaving this way are non verbal autistic. Our family has an autistic child born to parents with master degrees. They are very loving and patient parents. Capt Smith I find your post very disturbing , education is the one area in life that is so unprogressive. Get use to it, education is changing and Maine is soooooo way behind other states on dealing with children with behavior issues.

        Our family is very grateful for our present Commissioner of Education. He intervened when the clueless school district had no idea on how to handle a non verbal autistic child. He sent someone from Augusta, they evaluated the situation and made recommendations that are working.

        Our family are Tea Party supporters and everyone of our children are productive, college educated adults.

        • Anonymous

          a non-verbal autistic child has needs that are really too much to ask a small rural school with very limited resources to meet. In these cases we need to ask our selves, is public school the appropriate place for these special needs children. I come from a family full of educators that taught for their entire lives in a small rural school district and know the enormous burden the ever increasing population of “special needs” and behaviorally challenged students placed on the district.

          • Guest

            Well it is their right to an education and where most other resources cost money that most families can’t afford are we to ignore them? I am confused by alternatives cause there are limited ones when it comes to this state that are affordable to the general public. The fact is that all districts should be able to adapt to the change and the needs of all kids. Most of the smaller district “shoo” kids to the bigger ones overloading them instead of taking the chance to teach themselves, educate themselves and get the training necessary to handle it.

      • Anonymous

        Whats your problem? Obama president NOW! He has been for four long years.

    • Anonymous

      And in our society and school there is a lot seriously wrong.

    • wishyouknew2

      Students aren’t allowed to defend themselves at school why should teachers be allowed to?

      • Anonymous

        Here Here. You sowed it now you can reap it.

      • I’ve been saying it’s seriously wrong since I was in school and kids couldn’t defend themselves. My kids will know it’s always OK to defend yourself, even if the rules prohibit it.

      • Anonymous

        Good one

      • Anonymous

        Really? Anyone is allowed to defend themselves, however specific critera must be met

      • Anonymous

        Its all about ” feelgood” stuff for the students.
        Unfortunately the teachers end up feeling bad.

  • The kids who are hitting teachers are so used to being able to engage in assault they are not going to stop overnight. The rules need to be strict. The only kids who ever assaulted me were on heavy medications. Doctors need to start looking at the dysfunction in the home (none of them ever came from a good home) and stop treating symptoms that are caused from abuse, neglect, and poor parenting.

    • Anonymous

      I think many of these problem children are soaking up resources better used in other educational ways. Perhaps someone can correct me… really isn’t the heart of the matter violent aggressive emotionally/mentally challenged children where school in the majority of cases might not be appropriate?

      I recall an incident at a local school district where a child was regularly violent and had a one on one aide with him the entire time he was in school.

      • Actually the majority of them would be fine if their parents would grow up and the doctors would stop drugging the kids. It is only a few who really do not belong in school for diagnosis other than emotional ones.

        • Anonymous

          But we to tend to make a special case out of everything now. When I was in high school about 10 years ago, the students who couldn’t maintain their mental state/emotions or couldn’t keep up with 95% of the rest of the class were sent off to a special remedial classroom or dropped from a higher level class to a lower one. Now, everyone is special, and we just need to account for them and cater to them over the vast majority of students who are just there to learn. Its foolish.

        • Anonymous

          Ok, Suppose it was the parents and doctors responsibility… does that mean these kids should use up the time and resources better used for the school district in other ways?

          • Nope but we have to try or they will grow up to make more just like them.

      • Anonymous

        are you willing to pay the $30-50,000+ a year for them to be in a “special school”? That is the crux of it..

        Most kids with behavioral issue do better in school then at home — why? structure and expertise. MOST children can learn how to control their behavior and use appropriate behavior. Most kids with behavioral issue can and should be mainstreamed. They LEARN appropriate behavior by seeing how others act appropriately and peer pressure and modeling helps.
        SOME kids have more serious issues and do need constant one on one intervention and supervision.OR God forbid medication( that in some cases the parent “takes” to feed their own addiction ) instead or both. YUP SOME kids are permanently and neurologically damaged ( for whatever reason) and benefit from medication.

        • Most of these kids are in specialized programs away from other students.

          • Anonymous

            never the less a larger and larger percentage of school budgets are directed towards these kids to the detriment of both the taxpayer and those there to learn.

        • Anonymous

          Maybe so but if they are doing well why all the violence. That doesn’t sound like “well” to me. I’d just as soon have my child in school to learn the things he needs to know to be successful. He is not there to be a model for emotionally/physiologically damaged kids.

          One other thing. I think that child I spoke of with the aide one on one for an entire year surely soaked up $30-$50k.

          • Anonymous

            Just paying the aide probably took most if not all of that $30-50k.

          • Anonymous

            That’s what I figure.

    • koala

      I know a number of kids – mine included who come from good homes, yet still have behavior problems. I used to think like you – now I will never a judge a parent based on the child’s behavior.

      • I have never seen a child, who has not been adopted, who comes from a good home and acts violently. Many parents dont look at diet and caffeine and etc. They dont see their child downing a Monster before school. I have been in education for 20 years.

        • Anonymous

          I had to scratch my head a bit. But I know one… As the child got into high school that all changed though.

          • Anonymous

            You can’t drive me off this site ya know.

        • koala

          You may have been in education for 20 years, but are you a parent? I hope you are not in my son’s school system. I would hate to be judged by you.

    • Anonymous

      Let me just state the facts. These children do not all come from dysfunctional homes, abuse, neglect or poor parenting. These children have real challenges in life. Some disabilities can’t be seen. Every child should be given the same opportunities in life. I would advocate for any child that has been harmed by the use of restraint.

  • Anonymous

    You can be trained all you want, but if you are getting hit, spit at, scratched training does not do much. Parents complaining about restraint? I guess they should be teaching their childrent better. Children have very little respect for authority, which seems not to be taught at home.

    • Anonymous

      You are absolutely right, parents should be teaching their children more responsibility and respect, but instead many think that schools should be doing that for them. I’d say though that a big part of the problem is they removed the ability for teachers to discipline as well. I mean lots of these problem students now are coming from families who were most likely troubled students in their own time, but teachers had the authority to stop the misbehavior. Now, teachers cannot do anything in fear that one complaint means the end of their career.

      We have formulated generations of people who have no concept of responsibility and have learned that you can get away with anything as long as you make yourself out to be the victim and can whine to the right people.

      • Anonymous

        it all stems back to the replacement of god with a bought and paid for corrupted government

        • Anonymous

          While I agree with your comment on corrupt government, its time we separate the foolishness of religion within politics. I am not anti-religion or anti-god, but enough already. Religion has no place in school or government–none!

          • Anonymous

            I think you are wrong, started when we took prayer out of schools, and liberals having to make everything so policitcally correct.

          • Guest

            What hogwash. I

          • Anonymous

            I had no prayers in my class yet the majority of my classmates went on to college, went to work, and started families. I do not remember many discipline issues in my time at school, but again I came from a generation that was taught to respect adults, teachers, and authority figures. I don’t think religion had much to do with that.

            How does saying a prayer in school relate to students not acting out? What we have is a problem with respect. Children today, thanks in part to this newer generation of apathetic parents who for whatever reason believe schools are there to raise their children. They are not being taught the basics of how to act in public. I fail to see how saying a prayer is suddenly going to change that.

            I think you are wrong. Religion has no place in public school. None. It has no place in politics either. You want a big reason why conservatives are losing so many elections? Because they refuse to separate themselves from religion. I am 30 years old, and I support the fiscal promises conservatives like to make on reducing spending, taxation, and reducing entitlement programs, but their social beliefs which are constantly preached and backed by their religious views is for lack of a better term, annoying, outdated, old–and many in my generation and others probably aged 20-40 are in the same mindset. I do not believe that makes me a bad person. I respect authority, I respected all my teachers when I was in school as did most of my class. I believe the problem today has nothing to do with religion, but the fact that political correctness and government has gone too far. In government and in school, we cater to the minority–either special needs, or special beliefs, or whatever other little special thing that someone with enough of a voice whines about and gets their way to change an entire curriculum, classroom, or policy for their one purpose. We no longer go along with the idea of the greatest good for the greatest number–its more along the line of me, me, me. We have become overly selfish, only caring about ourselves, and its bled into the school systems to the point where a small number students (and their parents) control how the entire district runs. That needs to end too.

          • Anonymous

            As long as there are tests in school, there will ALWAYS be prayer. ;-)

        • Anonymous

          It has nothing to do with ‘god’. It has to do with children believing they can do anything they darned well please ….. children are born with the natural right to not be abused and to be guided into adulthood by a responsible guardian. Our laws now give children the same rights as adults who have shown responsibility to society. What’s lacking is not ‘god’; what’s lacking is the responsibility of parents to raise their children to have respect for themselves and for others.

      • Anonymous

        How percipient! Your last paragraph is the creed of today’s Democratic Party!

        • Anonymous

          Kouch, read the constitution.

      • Anonymous

        Parents can fear losing their children for disciplining them. If a neighbor, or someone closer doesn’t have kids or a different philosophy or a combination of the above sees something or thinks they see something, next thing you know cops and/or DHHS might show up?

        • Anonymous

          Who cares what your neighbor’s think? Nobody is going to come in and take your children away because you disciplined them. There is a significant difference between disciplining your child and abusing them. If your neighbors cannot tell the difference, then you probably have good cause to get the police or DHHS called on you.

          • Anonymous

            When one of my children was little it was necessary to place that child in a harness to prevent him from darting out into traffic. If a parent did that today, DHHS would be all over that parent like white on rice. It is now illegal to spank a child on the bottom, slap a child on the hand, and/or to restrain vigorously a child who is totally out of control. Personally, i’d rather see a child spanked on the bottom to teach him/her to not pull the dog’s ears instead of treating a dog bite; and I’d rather see a child slapped on the hand to teach him/her to not touch the hot stove then rush the kids to the hospital for burn treatment. Life is hard; laws with reference to children prevent a parent from taking necessary steps with a difficult child to teach this to the child. (Now I wait for someone to blow this out of proportion and accuse me of promoting child abuse.)

        • Anonymous

          Therein lies the problem. As a child, I earned rights; I wasn’t born with the social rights of an adult.

      • Anonymous

        Some of these teachers and principals should be removed from their jobs. They don’t have a clue as to how to treat a child unless they are the straight A perfect pets,jocks or born with a silver spoon in their mouths. Give them a child with some challenges and they try to pass the responsibility and hope it will go away. There is no proper training to put someone in a restrictive hold. I’ve heard it all before how they have trained ED Techs, teachers ,even Principals that know what they are doing, well if they know so much then it never should have gotten to the extreme of using such a harmful power over a child. (CPI)These children are degraded,humiliated ,frightened and put into the fight or flight response. Then it turns into a cycle of who has the power. Well no one has the right to harm a child in any way shape or form. Shame on all of you that think because you are in a position of authority you can demoralize a child. If you don’t know how to help a child with challenges then maybe it’s time for a different job.

        • Anonymous

          If you have so little faith in the school system to allow people to do their jobs, please home school your children. It isn’t up to the school to cater to your every wish. It is up to the school to do the best they can with every situation.

          • Anonymous

            No, but is it is up to the school system to treat children with respect that means all of them. Yes I do have little faith in the school system that harms children. You must not have children or you just don’t have any knowledge about this subject.

          • Anonymous

            I have more knowledge about this subject than you could possibly understand. I certainly have more knowledge about it than a parent who believes their precious snow flake is being picked on by teachers who don’t think it is too cute when your student hits and bites them and other students. You need to cut the school systems a break, 30 years ago your child would have been institutionalized for behaving as they do. Now schools are trying to cope with them, educate them, and protect other students and the staff. You should thank your lucky stars that we live in a time as enlightened as it is.

          • Anonymous

            I’m not sure what knowledge you think you have but it certainly has nothing to do with humane treatment.

          • Anonymous

            May I ask what you think is humane about subjecting teachers, staff, and other students to physical abuse by your student?

          • Anonymous

            What is humane about teachers,staff and other students to humiliate and cause bodily harm to a student that is struggling to survive in this world the only way they know how? You must have been born with a silver spoon in your mouth it’s obvious that you think teachers etc. can never do any harm to a child because they have a title that gives them the right.( I’m the teacher do as I say,or I’m the principal therefore I’m the one that has control over your child.) I think not.

          • Anonymous

            I have to go teach my 1st grade class that it’s OK if the teacher grabs you by the arm to take you to see the principal because you are having a hard time today, and if I squeeze a little to hard no one will no because they won’t believe you anyway but don’t try to hit me or protect yourself on the way.

          • Yawningattrolls

            So the other option is to call a cop in and have the “little angel” arrested when they are out of control and then be locked up? Maybe that’s a better alternative………..

          • Anonymous

            Maybe they should lock you up.

          • Anonymous

            I think it is perfectly reasonable for a teacher to tell a child “Do not hit or bite another, adult or child” and have the child do that. It isn’t open for discussion in my classroom, and if you feel that it should be, perhaps you should teach your own child. It would after all be the humane thing to do for all parties involved.

          • Anonymous

            I have taught my child no adult has the right to hurt you. If a child feels threatened they will fight back wouldn’t you? I would

          • Anonymous

            Respect is a two way street.

          • Anonymous

            Really ,I believe it’s the adults obligation to help a child reach their goals in life and the adult has to set the example. Some adults don’t know what that means.

          • Anonymous

            For once Daisy you and I agree. However you think it seems to be the teacher’s fault that your child bites and hits people and it should be up for them to teach them not to do that. I however seem to believe it is your responsibility to teach your child that this is not appropriate behavior no matter the circumstance.

          • Anonymous

            Oh, It has everything to do with the circumstance.Teachers do abuse children also, not just physically, some do harm emotionally. But,maybe in your world the title teacher gives them the right.I have personally seen and heard teachers that are burnt out from their jobs say harmful things to children to humiliate them in front of their peers. Yes, it did get reported.If you raise your child to believe that no one has the right to touch their body in any manner, then they have the right as any human being to defend themselves.If they feel threatened by a teacher then fight or flight will take over. One of the teachers that was injured should have never put her arm around that child.

          • Anonymous

            Yes, it is terrible for a teacher to put her arm on a child’s shoulder. Just the other day I had a kid try to hit another kid and I set my hand on his shoulder and he stopped. Perhaps I should have let him wail on the other child, beat him to a bloody pulp so I didn’t risk humiliating the student by letting him know that it was not appropriate behavior. Then maybe you would think I am a humanitarian as the other child was treating his broken jaw and the other child didn’t get a hand SET on his shoulder. I mean after all his parents may have raised him that no one has the right to touch their body in any manner, but they can beat and pummel another child with impunity.

          • Anonymous

            You really are a drama queen,but no you should not have put your hand on the child. I’m glad I wasn’t your student.

        • Anonymous

          There are many times when nobody is able to settle down an incident and it turns dangerous. I work with psychotic children (I mean that clinically, as in a child suffering from hallucinations and/or delusions), and sometimes you have to do what you have to do to protect the child and others. That’s not even including the kids that just plain have violent tendencies. Many times it is something learned from home, but it is still dangerous and needs to be dealt with.

          • Anonymous

            I don’t have to list my work history with children, but I do know that some adults that work with children shouldn’t.

        • Anonymous

          My father had a restrictive hold that worked and he had no formal training. He used it while he was getting his belt off.

          • Anonymous

            So sorry you had an abusive father

        • Anonymous

          So I don’t quite get it. We are to treat children as equals, almost as if they were adults. Well, in the real world, when an adult assaults someone, you can use equal and opposite force to protect yourself. But, since these are children, then restraining them is probably better over punching, hitting, or spitting back at them…right? So what are you to do when a child attacks a teacher? Take the beating? Allow yourself to get hurt because we have to figure out why the kid is acting out? Why he/she is so upset, and try to talk them down like we are some negotiator from the state police? Stop it. In my time in school (I cannot believe I am saying that) we respected teachers. We did not hit them, we listened when they spoke, and knew the consequences of acting out in class. That did not mean getting hit or humiliated, but it meant something then to be removed from class by the teacher–among peers, our parents, and the teachers. So now we just have to accept a child’s misbehavior and blame it on something else? Enough. Children should learn to behave, no matter what their mental capacity may be…and if its beyond their ability, they do not belong in the mainstream classroom. Stop with trying to make everyone equal. Children with behavioral and mental issues do not belong in the mainstream classes unless they can handle the environment. Parents are responsible for teaching their children respect, and if they fail at it, then their little brat gets to sit in the special needs classes until it hits home that maybe they are to teach their children respect.

          • Anonymous

            That is your problem you should not try to treat them equal.(THAT IS WHY THEY ARE CALLED SPECIAL NEEDS.)They need to be treated with special care. I feel sorry for you. You don’t have a clue.

          • Anonymous

            Daisy, I teach special needs children. I have a pretty good clue. Least Restrictive Environment. If your child is a constant danger to others they need to be out of school.

          • Anonymous

            I teach special needs children also and have had no problems helping my children learn respect and receive respect in a nurturing manner,compassion and understanding work better than conforming.

      • Anonymous

        You are right Fennis, except for one thing. You need to drop the s from parents to make it parent. 6 out of 10 kids in Maine today are being raised by single mothers. With no fathers around to answer to, it is a miracle they are not burning the schools down around them.

        • Anonymous

          I find that impossible to believe. 60% of children are coming from single parent households? I don’t buy it. I might believe the other side, 40%, but even then it would seem high to me. That just is an outrageously high number–something that you would think would be reported on more consistently if that was true. I do not believe for one second that 6 out of 10 children are coming from single parent households…its just not true. Here is what I found, searching online for all of 5 seconds:

          http://datacenter.kidscount.org/data/acrossstates/Rankings.aspx?ind=106

    • Well you follow the BIble word for word…why dont we stone them?

      • Anonymous

        No need to go quite that far, but perhaps a little corporal punishment in schools might help. “Time Out” teaches a child nothing. “Ouch my backside hurts” teaches them that disruption=pain.

    • Anonymous

      Parents complaining about restraint. Call home: “Come get your child immediately! He/She is suspended for 3 days”

      • Anonymous

        Or better yet, “Your child is at the police station and being charged with assault and is now expelled.”

    • Anonymous

      As I was reading through these posts, I was looking for someone to get at the basis of the problem. I would NEVER have dared assault a teacher when I attended school, not so much for the consequences of the school, but for the ramifications when I got HOME! I recall and instances when 1) a teacher grabbed me because I wasn’t listening and tore my sleeve, 2) a teacher insulted me in front of the classroom because I wasn’t paying full attention to him (my mother was being operated on in a life or death event and my dad thought it best that I attempt school rather than sitting around brooding . . . the teacher was aware of the situation). In both instances my father took the teacher to task for it. I don’t EVER recall him taking me to task for assaulting a teacher…..I knew better. I didn’t want to be the one on the receiving end of his tongue lashing. Yes, something is seriously wrong in an environment when a teacher is not allowed to defend themselves from and restrain a child in the face of being bitten, scratched, and spit upon. The problem lies, in the majority of cases, I’m certain, with the parents, not with the teacher. There’s a rule of thumb when raising: when a dog is disobedient or vicious, the problem is rarely on the end of the to which the lease is attached. The same basic rule applies to children.

      • Anonymous

        In having a neice just starting to teach I have great concerns, what is she suppose to do when a 4th or 5th grader is assaulting or using abusive language. It seems most parents blame the teacher, not matter what the reason. I do not know how students are now, I remember not be able to talk in class (I am sure that works now) no gum chewing. Maybe they aught to start a dress code. In Schenck, I think it is still that way, kids are not allowed to wear hats, which is right. Should be no phones, or other devices in the class room. No need of texting. I can hear some parents now, saying, it is harmless. Maybe you should read some of the text. And now the politically correct thing, oh these kids in school have privacy rights.

      • Anonymous

        You probably didn’t have some form of challenges that you had to live with. The restraint issue is referring to children that have special needs.

        • Anonymous

          No its not. Its all children. And yes, sometimes children do need to be restrained and sometimes there is no de-escalation possible before it gets to that point.

          • Anonymous

            Then the person working with that child must not be a good match. Most adults just want compliance at no cost because they feel as the adult they have the right. I wonder where they got that idea.

          • Anonymous

            How exactly should one de-escalate a child that is driving sharp objects into their body? Saying “please” doesn’t always work. And what about when a “child” (some are in late teens) just bashes another in the head with a chair out of the blue (probably to get a desired response)? Let them do it? Wow, just wow.

          • Anonymous

            How would you want to be treated?

      • Anonymous

        Some people treat dogs better than their own children,how sad.

    • Anonymous

      If you haven’t lived it then you don’t know what your talking about.

      • Anonymous

        Many of us have lived it as we have been assaulted by children. 17% of teachers every year are physically assaulted by students or their parents. Why should we be exposed to battery by an abusive child who cannot function in the world? If we are being assaulted or the child is assaulting others it should be our right and duty to restrain the child to prevent further harm to ourselves and our other students. As I said, if you don’t like it, please homeschool your child and let them assault you and your family instead.

        • Anonymous

          You need to go to school and get an education because it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out just what kind of person you are. As far as homeschooling it ‘s great. Our special children learn that not everyone in the world is the same, not everyone is mean to children. By the way, what percentage of children have been injured or even killed by restraint? I can give you that info if you want to hear about it but I’m sure you don’t. I think you should do more research on this subject.

          • Anonymous

            My guess would be that somewhere in the fraction of 1/1000000 of a percent of children have been killed by restraints. In fact I am pretty sure you restrain your child every day. They sit in a safety seat right? They wear a seat belt right? You must be some kind of monster subjecting your child to that.

          • Anonymous

            You really don’t know what you are talking about I think you just want to sound intelligent.

          • Anonymous

            Daisy, every time you type a reply people realize how one sided you are and how out of touch with the reality of the situation. You believe that your student is perfect and can do no wrong and seem to not have a problem with the pain and abuse they afflict others with.

          • Anonymous

            I think that is your own opinion,like I said you don’t know what you are talking about.

          • Anonymous

            Also, no one is perfect.

  • Anonymous

    The political correct, nanny government oversight just goes way too far. Teachers should absolutely be allowed to restrain a student from physically harming or abusing the teacher, themselves, or another student. It is asinine that we have become so overprotective that we make the criminals out to be victims. There should be no fear of a teacher losing their job over something as simple as protecting their own well-being and safety. This is a direct result of administrative and government entities setting down rules on something they have no understanding of whatsoever, but since it sounds good on paper, its now the rule.

  • Anonymous

    Kick the state and federal governments out of the classroom and take back our local school system paid for and governed locally.

    End of problem

    • Anonymous

      Charter schools?

      • Anonymous

        No.
        Government should NEVER have been allowed to enter the business of operating schools.

        Government should only be tasked with setting standards of education effectiveness, not funding them.

        • Anonymous

          so only the rich should go to school?

          • Anonymous

            Go beat that drum at an occupy encampment.

        • Anonymous

          I guess I agree with your concept that the less that government steps in, the better it would be, but If government is setting standards, then they are in the business of operating schools.

          The only degree of separation would involve adding a significant hardship at the local level to fund these schools as they would be working on as few teachers as possible to keep costs low (because you know administration is so entrenched that they will never be cut)–possibly going back to the old schoolhouse days where multiple grades were taught at once and cutting all non-essential programs such as art, foreign language, and gym/sports. That wouldn’t hurt graduating seniors looking to further their education…right?

          • Anonymous

            Can’t be any worse than what we have now IMHO.

    • Anonymous

      A very important mandate and charge of government is education. Sorry you disagree. Are you willing to pay for your own kids’ education out of your own pocket??

      • yes

        • Ben Hutchins

          That’s nice. Not everyone is able to. I suppose we can always find work for those people’s children on road gangs or something. Hang on, that won’t wash, roads are built by the government too.

      • Anonymous

        My children graduated 20 and 30 years ago when the school board actually controlled the school.
        They would never see a public school or MEA protected liberal agenda touting teacher if they were of K-12 age now.
        So the answer is yes.

  • Anonymous

    If an educator or school employee gets assaulted, SEE A LAWYER AND SUE SOMEONE. Sue the brat’s parent. Of course the parents are likely welfare loafers

    • Anonymous

      Yes, the answer to all our problems. Find an ambulance chasing, money hungry lawyer and sue, sue, sue. That is what got us into this mess in the first place.

      • Anonymous

        Yes, now sue the other direction.

    • Anonymous

      If nothing else, press charges!

    • These kids all have diagnosis and are getting SSI….we cant sue them because we know they are violent when we take them.

  • Anonymous

    Teacher abuse by students is an everyday occurrence Calling a teacher a f&*k**g B&*(ch or worse, kicking, hitting, spitting, stabbing with pens, pencils and whatever else they can lay a hand on happens every day in our schools. It is so bad that some teachers suffer from stress disorders, bruises, as well as hearing loss and many other health issues including PTSD. The sad part is that we as a society tolerate this and allow this level of disrespect. The no restraint law exacerbates the problem especially when a child knows they will not be held responsible for their actions. The parents are also part of the problem because there has been a significant abdication of responsibility for their child once they leave the home.

    The law does nothing but make this entire problem worse. I suggest that some of the law makers need to spend time in the classroom especially the behavior programs to see what is really going on, by this I mean several days in the school. I bet they will come away from there with a completely different perspective on what needs to happen.

    • Anonymous

      What about the children that suffer from PTSD, when time and time again they are put into a hold, instead of meeting that individual child s needs the majority of school officials throw their hands up because they don’t know what to do. Real professional training.

      • Anonymous

        It’s called Least Restrictive Environment. If your child is incapable of keeping their hands/feet/teeth to themselves, perhaps passive restraints are the least restrictive environment for them.

        • Anonymous

          I know what it’s called.

      • Anonymous

        In response to all of your posts, I don’t think it is so black and white. As a spec ed teacher who has been been hit, kicked and bit by students, the last (very last) thing you ever want to do is put a child in a restraint. Unfortunately, there are times when you have no choice…like when the young child is running towards the busy road. Law or no law, I am always going to choose to do what is safe for the child. If it costs me my job, so be it.

  • Anonymous

    Back in my day if you were acting like that in school the teacher could put you through a locker…….and then you got it when you got HOME too !!

    • Anonymous

      When was “your day” is that the day where Bob Carlson was raping children with impunity? I that the day where if you wore a priest’s collar you were above reproach? is that the day when children like the ones we are discussing were warehoused at Pineland, Baxter State School and Steven’s School?

      • Anonymous

        what does a dead ped have to do with kids acting out at school ? NOTHING thats what !! Sounds like you might have some hidden issues you need to deal with. My point was children USED to be held to a standard of behavior at church,at school or WHEREVER . My day was back when kids didnt take guns to school had respect for others and others had respect for them. Most kids are good kids but you run across a few that just like to push and see how far they can go and what they can get away with….had those when I was in school too. And let us all remember that there is a difference between discipline and abuse !!!

  • Anonymous

    It’s because half of the kids are retarded and we are supposed to say “oh that’s sad, it’s not their fault. So let them keep punching us in the face.”

  • Anonymous

    I thought people ad the right to defend themselves? So if a child starts kicking and biting and scratching that ed technician should have the right to defend themselves from the assault from the child.

    Excessive use of force should also be a concern.

    • Dope Boy

      It’s all a planned assault. The parents are using their children to further the ‘tea-party’ mantra. They don’t want to pay tax’s to educate the populous.

      But what the legions that are in goose step with the Koch Brothers and other puppet masters don’t understand is that they are being used to set up education ‘for profit’.

      And they will pay for it in the end. In one form or another. Blind, Broke and Dumb.

      • Are we reading the same article Cap? What you’re talking about has nothing to do with the above story.

      • Ben Hutchins

        … did you just put together a conspiracy theory involving aggressive schoolchildren?

        Man. That is professional-grade political paranoia there. Really epic.

      • Anonymous

        I loved you starring in ‘Conspiracy Theory’ with Mel Gibson. You sound like a nut job.

  • Anonymous

    Don’t forget the bus drivers,they get stuck with all the brats crowded into a bus with no help!

    • Dope Boy

      … and you guys have no one defending you. You even look wrong at a child and you get fired. My hat’s off to you, I could never do it.

      • Anonymous

        true that. a buddy of mine drives a school bus, he almost got canned because he was accused of racism. Two students, one of whom was black were fighting and he separated them as much as possible, never occurred to him that he sent the black kid to the back of the bus.

        • Dope Boy

          I damn near choke on my boloney sandwich, good one.
          Let me guess, it was a Gary Johnson write-in, uh, am I close.

    • Anonymous

      Then if that’s how you see it don’t become a bus driver.

  • Anonymous

    Video cameras in the class rooms

  • Anonymous

    I should believe this Press Release because?

    • Anonymous

      It’s legit in my opinion. School are facing challenges from the drug culture just as many areas of society are. Probably hits schools first… then police beat.

    • Ben Hutchins

      See, there’s the problem. This is probably true, but now nobody’s going to believe it because it came from the MEA. Which is kind of the opposite effect the labor organization movement was going for, back in the day, but that’s life in the infinitely perverse 21st century.

  • Anonymous

    It sounds like they just need special classes with specially trained people for these problem kids.

    • Anonymous

      The children aren’t the problem it’s the adults that don’t understand.

  • Anonymous

    No one has the right to put their hands on someone else’s child. If there is a problem, the parents should be notified, and the child sent home. It is a parents duty to discipline their child.

    • I’m here to tell you that if a 14-18 year old is biting, scratching, spitting, punching me, I will restrain them in my own defense. Will I pop them in the jaw and knock them out? No, but I will not sit there and take it from anyone.

    • Anonymous

      I agree with you, I wonder when other adults will see the light.

  • Anonymous

    There have been injuries before as well. I know of many ed techs who have been injured in past years. This is nothing new. Notice how there is no comparison stated between last year’s and previous years.

  • Anonymous

    Why does everything turn political in under 4 seconds here?

    The big issue is that teachers are not receiving proper training and may not even have the rights to protect themselves from violence. I’m sure there’s middle ground where a teacher can make sure he or she is not in any danger, but do so without bringing harm to the student.

    I know that facilities like Spurwink and Sweetser provide training for safety holds for their employees. Perhaps there’s a way to make this specialized training available for teachers and ed techs in our public schools.

    Would be nice to see parents held accountable for their children’s behavior once in a while, too. That’s probably just day dreaming on my part though.

    • Anonymous

      I really don’t think the teachers should be taking classes in “safety holds”. It should not be their job to begin with. Remove the violent/aggressive/unmanageable kids and leave it at that.

      • Anonymous

        That would require a change in the Federal A.D.A., and a Repeal of PL 94-142, now known as the IDEA. NOT gonna happen, so your next suggestion is?

  • Michael Spaulding

    What about bus drivers? I have heard nothing of these new rules and how they affect me.

    • Ben Hutchins

      Forgive me if I seem flippant, but aren’t you a bit busy operating the bus to be kung fu fightin’ with the vermin anyway?

      • Anonymous

        So you consider emotionally disturbed children to be vermin?
        The new law specifically says teachers may not restrain or confine children UNLESS they pose a danger to self or others. That means when they kick, bite, or scratch or indicate they are headed in that direction, then the same ole rules apply, they can be restrained.

        The changes in the law were abouit miosuse of the former restraint and confinement policy.

        I started working with children in 1966, and in over forty-five years I have NEVER had to restrain a child.

        • Ben Hutchins

          Now, now, don’t take it personally. What kind of judgmental monster do you take me for? I don’t discriminate; I consider all children vermin.

          (Also, I think it’s funny that you were apparently able to take a phrase like “kung fu fightin’ with the vermin” seriously.)

  • Anonymous

    Just give every teacher a loaded AK 47. [Grin]

    At least there should be serious punishment for kids that assault anyone, teacher, or another student. If we can’t break such bad habits thee then we will suffer from it the rest of the person’s life, and probably from their kids as well. Bullying is serious problem and always has been in school. Violence should never be acceptable behavior and if necessary call the police. It is difficult to teach, and equally difficult to learn, in a violent situation.Far past time that we crack down on violence in school.

  • Student teachers will now be required to get a passing grade in classes on how to duck and dodge flying books before being allowed into the field.

    “Yup, nailed her three times out of three with a book on reading methods so she had to repeat the course.”

    The humble Farmer

  • Ben Hutchins

    See, this is why I could never be a teacher. I would not only happily punch a twelve-year-old who had punched me, I would also quite sincerely consider a spot of pugilism with that twelve-year-old’s parent if he or she got uppity about it, and frankly that kind of frontier justice approach has no place in 21st-century schooling. I recognize that I am far too unreconstructed for this field and so recuse myself from it – a level of restraint I think more of my fellow citizens should aspire toward. :)

  • Anonymous

    When I was a kid, they used a paddle. It hung on the principal’s wall. I don’t remember ever hearing about a teacher being assaulted. Maybe there is a connection?

    • Anonymous

      Yeah right violence ALWAYS curtails violence.

      • Anonymous

        I don’t know Tux. It doesn’t sound like the “time outs” are curtailing violent behavior much either. The thought of a trip to the principals office to get your butt whacked was a very strong deterrent to keep your hands off of other students. We didn’t even joke around about hitting teachers. Even the paddle was a light punishment back then Tux. If I had hit a teacher, my old man would have backhanded me right into the middle of next week.

  • Captain Kangaroo

    Put the knuckles to them.

  • Anonymous

    A few years ago Acadia started a ‘no restraint policy’, many staff were injured and
    OSHA got involved. If parents, teachers and providers do not have this option they will resort to chemical restraint. I would much rather hold someone (w/the proper training) for a few seconds or moments than turn them into a zombie. But there needs to be a balance. What kind of supports are available to kids w/ADHD, Autism, ODD, OCD….? Are psychologists or clinicians available?

  • Anonymous

    “The ed tech reportedly did not touch the child, but rather suffered the injury for fear of breaking new restraint rules put in place this year.”

    What is the saying about when people fear the government?

    • Anonymous

      It’s not the government they fear it is parents looking for law suits. One of the great things about belonging to the teachers Union is the legal representation as well as a policy protecting the teachers from financial culpability when a parent erroneously sues them.

      • Anonymous

        Some teachers should be sued.

        • Anonymous

          Absolutely some should. And some parents should be held criminally and financially responsible for raising children who assault other people.

    • Anonymous

      What does it say when children fear for their lives?

      • Anonymous

        That they are as delusional as the parents who raise them?

  • Anonymous

    As long as more and more parents remove their kids from the public schools and either home school them or put them in Christian or other private schools, the ones left are going to have a higher and higher percentage of troubled kids.

    The higher percentage of troubled kids will only result in a higher percentage of parents removing their kids from the public schools. Eventually there will be enough parents with kids being educated outside of the public schools system to change the funding formulas and then the unions die.

    Once the unions are gone, then the public schools system can start recovering and have restored trust by parents.

    Until the foundations, the corrupt unions, be destroyed, what can the righteous do but remove their kids from the public schools?

    • Anonymous

      The foundations of troubled school systems are school boards, administrations, and educational policy that do not reflect reality. Change these, then worry about getting rid of the Unions (here’s a hint, if you change these, you won’t have a need for a Union, but you also won’t have a need for further educational reform).

      • Anonymous

        You preach your feelings, I will preach Christ and Biblical foundations. I will not even buy union made, that is how satanist I am convinced they have become.

        • Anonymous

          So in other words you preach your feelings based on no evidence and I will continue to talk about the REAL problems facing schools today.

  • Anonymous

    kids are abused everyday in school…especially at Baxter School for the Deaf in Maine

  • runnybabbit

    I love how this article doesn’t distinguish kids with violent behavior issues from kids who have cognitive issues. Not all the kids who are acting out are violent criminals, and not all of them learn it in the home. My daughter is autistic and has issues when she gets overwhelmed. Yes she yells and slaps. But she was in a special ed setting in Brewer and rather then send the ed techs working in that room to training to learn to de-escalate the behaviors they suspended her repeatedly. She’s EIGHT. The teachers do their best but the administrators especially in Brewer are using the new law as a loophole so they don’t have to do a damn thing to teach their staff to deal with these kids. They shipped her off to Southern Penobscot program in Old Town. At least the teachers and admins there give a damn and try to help (and have been TRAINED!). To those of you who say I should home school my special ed child – so I do that, then you will lambaste me for staying home and “milking the system” if I try to get food stamps or any other kind of assistance, when I give up my income (which is more than my husband’s). You can’t have it both ways!

    • Anonymous

      I do believe that the Southern Penobscot Program does use restraints when necessary. In fact they have two designated time out rooms. It is nice that they have the luxury at $50k a year to do such things (and it is great that the system exists and as a tax payer I am glad to foot the bill). However, to expect local schools to have the same training and facilities available to them is a little unrealistic don’t you think?

      • runnybabbit

        I’m not saying the same level of training. My point was more that maybe some of these administrators need to go to some type of training so they learn what autistic kids are like and what cause these behaviors – instead of just labeling them as troublemakers and suspending them. Doesn’t help at all, the child is upset and acting out and doesn’t want to be there, sending them home just gives them what they want. Which then exacerbates the problem because they figure if they want to go home they can just act out and get sent home. As a parent who had to deal with this all last year, I can tell you every time my phone rang at work I was praying it wasn’t the school calling for me to come get her. Very very stressful. If they had a bit more understanding of the situation maybe and had some de-escalation training they wouldn’t suspend the kids so much…but that is too much work for them (mr. “instructional supervisor”). And I know they were not making any effort, because my babysitter arrived to pick her up and had her calm in 5 minutes. Public school administrators don’t even want to try. I am very grateful for SPRP, it has made a world of difference for us.

        • Anonymous

          I understand and mostly agree, but you have to realize with so many students, and so few hands on deck in a regular education setting the average teacher does not have the time to coddle a student. In regular school there is an expectation that students will keep their hands and feet to themselves. Teachers are physically assaulted and at times sexually assaulted by students (daily occurrence in this country) and they deserve the right to not be pushed or even slapped by students. If you want to start paying teachers the same amount as pugilists and porn stars maybe we can make it part of their job description. As it is, I am not real happy having a hepatitis shot being in my job description because I can’t reasonably be expected to not be bitten by the students I work with.

  • Anonymous

    This has all started with the Supers. They hide so much crap that goes on in their schools.. They don’t want to look bad. Imagine being the boss and people finding out what is happening in a school your running.. It is very rare that a story like this is allowed to come out.. I’m very sure the Teachers involved in this Story will have a hard time from now on from their bosses.. The Supers motto is Never make the School I’m managing look bad or I will blackball you from ever teaching again.. Even at the cost of education.. It’s not about the kids it’s about appearance, which should be understandable with most MTV watchers.. How do I look?

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