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  • Cecil Gray

    Jon: Venture capitalists do not negotiate in good faith; they prefer a work force with no voice.

    • Anonymous

      These workers have already given this company a number of concessions to help them out of the first bankruptcy and the company has since doubled it’s debt to $1 billion instead of paying down it’s existing debt. When filing for this bankruptcy they angered the judge by trying to get him to agree to letting all top management people receive their bonus packages. The workers were better off hoping a more responsible company would buy them out and re-employ them.

    • Anonymous

      The company will likely lose about $300 million of recently invested capital. (that which they can’t recover from sale of parts) It seems to me that was “good faith”. No voice happened because the union cut their own vocal cords.

  • Cecil Gray

    Victor: One boorish individual Mr.Webster is not. The Tea Party runs the GOP and the boorish masses within it are not just a speck of dust, they are currently the broom.

  • Anonymous

    Steven Zahm – Like so many others that are looking for a Biblical way to approve of homosexuality, you have focused to much on the translation of a single word and totally missed the truth of the Word. Any sexual relations outside of the marriage bed of a man and a woman are a sin against the body, therefore a sin against God. You voted against your self-proclaimed beliefs as a Christian.

    • Anonymous

      EJ, I’ve been meaning to thank your fellow Floridians for helping re-elect President Obama and Senator Nelson. While you may have voted for their opponents, the majority of your fellow Floridians did the right thing. Please pass on my thanks.
      Now we have to work on defeating Governor Scott in two years!

      • kcjonez

        Not to mention Alan Grayson!

      • Anonymous

        That commenter’s predictions about so much just never seem to come to fruition…..thankfully.

    • Tedlick Badkey

      EJ… you’ll hold your beliefs…others will hold theirs.

      And they’re just as valid as your interpretation.

      Sin is not law for a reason.

    • EJ It doesnt say that anywhere in the Bible. How did people get married in the Bible anyway? There is no talk of church weddings. Please quote where you got this from. Then, please live your life word for word according to the Bible and I will also. Dont forget to stone non virgins who get married and make young women marry their rapists.

  • kcjonez

    Larry Sweet

    “Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. This is not a way of life at all in any true sense. ”

    -Dwight D. Eisenhower – April 1953

    When the republican again party produces people who think like this, I will end my opposition to them.

  • Anonymous
    • Anonymous

      That is a lie filled article. First Hostess did not profit $2.5 billion in 2011. I doubt they even had that much in sales.

      From the article: “As a result of management that still hadn’t really attempted
      to adapt itself to new market realities, the company earned profits in
      2011 of $2.5 billion: That’s 11 percent less than in 2008, before
      Ripplewood took over. But thanks to debt approaching $1 billion, Hostess
      ended 2011 with a loss of $341 million.”

      The articles numbers make no internal sense.

      I suggest you stay away from Salon, or at the very least read it with skepticism.

      • Anonymous

        You lecturing others on credible sources and being even handed! Too funny, Cheesecake, too funny!

        • Anonymous

          Unlike some liberal posters and Salon.com writers, I have a decent understanding of basic elementary school math.

          • Anonymous

            Seems more like you have personal attacks and misinformation that you know to be false. Have some principles, will you?

          • Anonymous

            Ok… You tell me where they had $2.5 billion in profits?

            Come on. Even a partisan like you would have to admit that is farfetched.

          • Anonymous

            More personal attacks dripping with blatant hypocrisy.

        • Anonymous

          I suppose the LA Times is untrustworthy also: http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hiltzik-20121125,0,966735.column

          • Anonymous

            It’s just hackery from Cheesecake. He’s actively dishonest, accusatory (without basis) and presumptuous — then he’ll try and lecture you like he’s the most even handed and fair guy on the block. It’s absolutely absurd.

          • Anonymous

            Please provide a legitimate source that Hostess had a PROFIT of $2.5 billion dollars in 2011 as salon.com claimed. I will apologize to you if you can.
            If you cannot then I think you should apologize to me. Reasonable?

          • Anonymous

            There is no mention in that LA TIMES article of a profit of $2.5 BILLION DOLLARS!! There just plain isn’t.

            My comment was entirely about a claim in Salon.com that there was a profit of $2.5 BILLION DOLLARS. They are wrong. They either are widely mistaken or lied intentionally.

          • Anonymous

            I said nothing about the 2.5 billion either way. What I said was that it’s a joke that you try and lecture others on being fair, unbiased and even handed.

          • Anonymous

            Nice deflection. But providing accurate information is not lecturing not dishonest or fair. It just is.

          • Anonymous

            It wasn’t a deflection. I was very direct and I haven’t changed my point once here.

            You trying to school others on how to be fair and honest is what is laughable. It just is.

          • Anonymous

            I see so you weren’t speaking to the issue… just simple character assassination.

          • Anonymous

            That’s not character assassination — enough with your own deflections and hyperbole. I’m accurately describing you. You’re allowed to criticize others for the exact behavior you exhibit (and worse), but if you’re called on that, suddenly it’s the poor me victim routine?

            So laughable.

  • Anonymous

    Victor Berardelli, there is a problem within the GOP. They have steadily been infiltrated by the extreme right over the last 40 years. Until the party, if it wants to survive, puts a muzzle on their extemeist elements they will continue to lose voter support. They have the money but they aren’t spending it wisely.

  • Anonymous

    Mr Greenburg, perhaps if the employees had been offered the same raises given this year to Hostess’ ceo (300%) and other executives (80% on average), a strike would not have been necessary.

    • Anonymous

      Except they didn’t collect a dime of the raises as the vendors/creditors
      objected in bankruptcy court. The highest officers only received an
      annual salary of $1.

      For that matter the same court ordered the worker pay cut in bankruptcy proceedings.

      Your source lies to you.

      • Anonymous

        Ahhh…reality again. Tho I would be curious if the raises made the receiver wonder how serious their executives were about making the company work.

  • Anonymous

    Who cares what the Bible says? We’re not a theocracy. Head the middle east if you want that kind of country.

  • Anonymous

    L. Sweet, R. Vesecky, S. Zahm: good letters.
    V. Beradelli: Thanks for coming forward with your rejection of Webster. Unfortunately, very few of your thinking Party members have done so.

  • Anonymous

    Russell Vesecky: Thank you for your kind words and deeds. How wonderful it would be to see Domestic Violence stopped, it’s up to all of us.

  • Anonymous
    • Anonymous

      “Obama has been re-elected for a 2nd term by an illiterate society”

      LOL, what kind of nonsense are you reading? Come back to reality — it’s not so bad.

      • Anonymous

        I am reading the primary news source for 142 million Russians.

        • Anonymous

          It’s a garbage opinion piece. Saying an illiterate society re-elected Obama is absolute nonsense and you know that. You say you posted it for its humor and yet in the past few weeks you’ve been making nearly identical statements.

          • Anonymous

            I made no such post. You are being creative.

          • Anonymous

            You’re rarely ever honest.

    • Guest

      LMAO. There isn’t much more a person can do than laugh hilariously while reading that!

      • Anonymous

        I only posted it for its humor. Pravda, the source, is the news outlet that President Vladamir Putin uses to disseminate information to Russia.

        The same Vlad Putin that President Obama says he will be freer to negotiate with after the election.

  • Anonymous

    Jon, ENOUGH of this union bashing mentality. Unions helped create the American middle class and helped force worker rights legislation. Union workers are the BEST workers, the most productive, and the most loyal according to every study out there. Big vulture corporations like WalMart and many others fight against and smear unionization at all costs, yet pay such low wages that huge percentages of their employees must also access public assistance programs in order to survive. At the same time, their upper management make salaries into the tens if not hundreds of millions of dollars. It is sickening. The union made numerous concessions to Hostess. Hostess, like so many other vultures, just wanted to race to the bottom. BLAME BAD CORPORATE MANAGEMENT for a change.

    Victor, yes there are some Republicans who were also disgusted with Webster and his sickening and delusional comments, however, how many went public with that disgust? How many truly called it out? How many called him out the last time he went on some ridiculous, delusional crusade about non-existent voter fraud and constantly slandered college students who chose to vote LEGALLY in their college towns? NONE ! In fact WAY too many SUPPORTED Webster, such as the very base of your party membership that constituted most of the 40% of Mainers who SUPPORTED ending same day voter registration in that vote in 2011. Further, your Secretary of State jumped right on the bandwagon with his investigations and letters to college students threatening them if they didn’t register their vehicles in Maine, something SEPARATE by law from voter registration and should have NEVER been done. Why did you not call that out too as WRONG?? Why did you and yours not call out your party’s right wing VOTER SUPPRESSION efforts in general after the Maine GOP legislators (and other Republicans at the state level) took their lead from ALEC and the Heritage Foundation on this after the 2010 elections, here in Maine trying to end same-day registration? ALL THIS is why we say SHAME on the GOP. It is the BIGGER PICTURE and LONGER HISTORY of this rotten stuff, that culminated with Webster making his latest ridiculous and slanderous remarks, and which was not only tolerated but EMBRACED by the GOP for so long. Little wonder your party just got CRUSHED in the election. You should have gotten rid of that delusional slanderous FOOL long ago. Now you are crying the blues. Well, as they say, too little too late.

    Larry, you are spot on. Thanks for the great letter. The GOP needs to wake up in a big way and start realizing that the radical path of Pills Limbaugh and the TeaRadicals is a path to nowhere exept intolerance and political irrelevance. Folks have HAD IT with the radical right wing Republican worldview and the delusional, nasty, egocentric, ethnocentric, and sometimes outright racist and always IGNORANT vitriol spewed out by ilk like Limbaugh, Hannity, O’Reilly, Beck, Fake-Noise, and the rest. Hopefully this latest electoral thrashing will wake the GOP base’s rank and file, but I am not holding my breath. My guess is that they double down on it.

  • Anonymous

    Jon Greenberg- Maybe in a “tough” economy, the Hostess workers felt that they did not want to fund another round of bonuses for the front office. That is what happened with the previous wage and benefits concessions that they made back in 2008. The management at Hostess is so delusional that they have asked the bankruptcy judge to allow another round of massive executive bonuses to go through. No matter Mr. Greenberg, it is ALWAYS labor’s fault these days. Yes, sure, it is the working men and women of America who have screwed our economy good this time. We should fire every working stiff in America for what they have done.

    • Anonymous

      What bonus? Be specific.

      What is the date on the request please. If you are talking last spring it never happened.

    • Anonymous

      It’s those that scream loudest about “entitlements” and “personal responsibility” that are the ones who shift the blame and feel most entitled. It’s hypocrisy, plain and simple.

      • Anonymous

        The one that earn the money and pay the taxes have a right to feel entitled.

        • Anonymous

          They should feel entitled to the blame they deserve for mismanaging the company. That’s not the union’s fault.

  • Anonymous

    Larry Sweet- It is the two party system that has gotten us in the mess that we are currently enjoying in this country. It should bother every single American that there were only two men on the stage for the presidential debates. But, the sheep never noticed and dutifully marched into pen D or pen R, again.

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