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  • Anonymous

    How about letting us buy insurance from out of state providers? Open up the state market to a little competition. The large employers owned by out of state entities have more options and that helps them secure better rates. The little guys don’t have that option.

    • Anonymous

      Policies of ‘large employers’ (over 50 employees) are priced on the actual claims history of the groups. That’s why they can sometimes get better prices – as they are dealing with ‘known’s rather than unknowns for smaller groups.

    • Anonymous

      That’s part of the health insurance exchange creation now available to the states. It would expand the markets we could have access to, including those out of state.

      Unfortunately, LePage said he won’t lift a finger to create an exchange in Maine. Utter stupidity on his part.

      • jedclampet

        Where in the law does it open for anyone to buy insurance across state lines the Reps wanted that in the law and it is not there.

      • Anonymous

        Is it your contention that once the exchanges are set up our problems are over? What has Obamacare done to rein in costs?

        • Anonymous

          created $700 milion in medicare efficienceies and eliminated duplication of service , for one thing..

          • Anonymous

            Not true but excellent spin.

        • Grateful Head

          “Is it your contention that once the exchanges are set up our problems are over?”

          No. But it’s a better first step than starting a race to the bottom.

        • Anonymous

          I don’t know why you ask that since what I posted didn’t contend that.

    • Anonymous

      Because the democrats in Maine cannot control the out of State companies.

      • Grateful Head

        So are you opposed to the idea of local control as a general principle or only when it suits your argument?

        • Anonymous

          Tell us about local control of insurance companies please.

      • Anonymous

        Huh?

    • Anonymous

      When you buy your dirt cheap insurance from a company in another state you will have no consumer protection, which is why the cheap policy is possible. Your premiums will have been paid in vain. When dealing with insurance companies and claims, if you have any brains at all, you will as much consumer protection as possible. Not being allowed to buy insurance from out of state companies is done to protect consumers.

      • Anonymous

        That exact reasoning is what keeps Maine in the dark ages. No competition lets the insurance companies hold people hostage with their outrageous premiums.

        • Anonymous

          And the healthcare exchange increases market access including out of state. So why not have an exchange to increase market access?

    • Grateful Head

      “How about letting us buy insurance from out of state providers”

      Sounds like a good idea – until you realize what it really means. Why is it that all credit card companies are headquartered in Delaware? Delaware has the least restrictive lending laws in the nation, among other things. Companies operating out of Delaware have to follow Delaware’s laws, not the laws of the state the card holder resides in. Allowing unregulated insurance sales across state lines would result in one state setting up an insurance haven, as Delaware did with banks, eliminating local control of insurance markets.

      The only Republican solution to health care costs is to race to the bottom. Just like the rest of their solutions.

  • Anonymous

    In my area we’ve already seen small businesses that can’t afford to keep insurance for their employees. The law should never have been written to disadvantage the rural small business owner.

    • Anonymous

      If Republican legislators stop inviting insurance lobbyists in to fill them full of cr#+&p convincing them to back new and creative ways to increase corporate profit margins, Maine citizens may be well served.

      • Anonymous

        Darn those profit margins, the cause of all problems with healthcare is the profit margins of the insurer. Jason, as usual, is spot on and has done some great research on MSNBC and Stephen King liberal talk radio.

        • Anonymous

          Profit margins aren’t the problem. The size of them is.

          • Anonymous

            Around 5% is NOT large.

          • Grateful Head

            “Around 5% is NOT large.”

            I question your 5% profit figure, but for the sake of the argument will accept it. It still means that you are paying 5% to a vampire squid who adds no value to the end product, to paraphrase Matt Taibbi.

          • Anonymous

            The 5% is a normal profit figure for most health insurers. It is capped that way by most state regulators. Look it up.

            Check any publicly traded health insurer in their stock data.
            it is all over the place. Funny that someone that knows so much would miss that.

            I think they add plenty of value. I have had them handle all the required government paperwork for me for the last 12 years as I have spent more than $100k on medical care,

          • Anonymous

            There are laws that require health insurance companies to return a certain percentage of every premium dollar back to the insured. It’s called a medical-loss ratio (MLR).

            Obamacare would require MLRs to be at least 80% for individual policies and 85% for groups. Maine law currently sets the MLR at 65%.

            Yes – that means that in Maine for every dollar you pay for your health insurance, the most that an insurance company has to return to you is 65 cents.

            They rest? That’s OH&P, aka overhead and profit.

          • Anonymous

            I know that. Look up the average profit for the industry. Right around 5%.

          • Anonymous

            they reduce the profit BY HIGH CEO pay

          • Anonymous

            Actually as a percentage its negligible.

          • Anonymous

            Universal healthcare NOW!

          • Anonymous

            That depends on one’s point of view. If you think that access to basic health care is a right, then gambling (cuz that really is what insurance is) on people’s health is the problem.

          • Anonymous

            Insurance is NOT gambling. It is risk management. Just like any other sort of insurance.

        • Anonymous

          I talked with my Republican legislator about this insurance bill before he voted on it. He clearly knew nothing about what was in the bill, had just come from a “briefing” that assured him what I was telling him was in the bill wasn’t. He didn’t bother to read the bill before voting on it.
          Now he’s my ex Republican legislator.

          PS I don’t subscribe to cable tv, don’t watch MSNBC or listen to liberal radio.

          • Anonymous

            There were many legislators that didn’t read LD1333 before they voted on it – both Republicans and Democrats. Why is that?

            Because the Republican leadership didn’t give House members the bill until 9 a.m. the morning that the vote was scheduled. Watch:

            http://youtu.be/wdEsylyPF4w

      • Anonymous

        Stop it. Ds are no different, they too are being bought and sold everyday by lobbyists. That’s how the game is played by both sides. Always has and always will be.

        • Grateful Head

          “That’s how the game is played by both sides. Always has and always will be.”

          No, it’s not how it always has been. And if it is always going to be that way then it’s because people like you have that kind of attitude.

          • Anonymous

            He is right…. not outright bribery but people support those that support them.He is right there never has been a time when things didn’t work that way. The insurance industry was on Obama’s side during the healthcare bill passage. Whats funny all the time folks like you were complaining about insurance companies Obama was having fun vilifying them to you and smiling and taking their money on the other side.

          • Anonymous

            Why was the insurance industry “on Obama’s side during the healthcare bill passage.”

          • Anonymous

            They had a locked in market as a result of Obamacare… all those new customers.

          • Anonymous

            ” but people support those that support them.” exactly…and that is what “government ” is supposed to do –support( and serve) the people. on your other comment –so basically you are criticizing Obama ( the socialist) for using the private sector to deliver his health care plan Instead of making it a totally government sponsored one??

            As I recall the history of this , the health care industry ,primarily the pharmacueticals offered a deal to Obama that was too good to refuse ‘. They said they would reduce costs ( primarily for pharmacueticals) in exchange for an expanded program..Yup they agreed to REDUCE costs for AMERICANS ..It’s called “win win.” I think if you actually looked at contribution in both 2008 and 2012 You would find it was McCain and Romney, not Obama who got more from the health care industry.

          • Anonymous

            I didn’t criticize anyone. Just pointing out real world.

          • Anonymous

            “The insurance industry was on Obama’s side during the healthcare bill
            passage. Whats funny all the time folks like you were complaining about
            insurance companies Obama was having fun vilifying them to you and
            smiling and taking their money on the other side.” OR “They had a locked in market as a result of Obamacare… all those new customers” looks like criticism to me…

          • Anonymous

            He is telling the truth .

          • Anonymous

            Why is it people like me? Maybe it’s people like you, who blame others for all the problems.

          • Anonymous

            maybe you simply can’t accept the R’s messed up and put politics( special interest) before people( Mainer’s’s interest )

        • Anonymous

          you have evidence of such politician buying happening in the state of Maine?

          • Anonymous

            And you have evidence that is doesn’t happen in the state of Maine? I honestly believe it happens very little in this state. My point was it’s not limited to one party. Over the years lobbyist have had influence on both parties, not just the Rs.

          • Anonymous

            You made the accusation and that is all that it remains. It was evidence that imprisoned Jack Abramoff who was doing business with Republicans.

        • Anonymous

          bought by who?

          • Anonymous

            Democrat Cynthia Dill got a $2,500 check from another well-known landowner in Maine: conservationist Roxanne Quimby. I think that’s a pretty good down payment on a national park. All I’m saying is lobbyists and others have influence on both parties. It’s not just a Republican thing. I’m sorry if you and others can not accept the fact that Democrats do take money and are influenced by others.

      • Anonymous

        well said. seems like common sense doesn’t it?

    • Anonymous

      Democrats did a great job lying their way back in to power. They convinced Maine people that the law passed by Republicans was to blame for Maine’s healthcare costs. That is a convincing story of how uninformed Maine people really are. Okay democrats, where is my free insurance?

      • Anonymous

        facts are facts. R’s just hate them.

      • Grateful Head

        “Democrats did a great job lying their way back in to power.”

        You just keep telling yourself that.

      • Anonymous

        did someone promise free health insurance?

      • Anonymous

        Yep all of us Mainers are stupid, except you of course.

      • Anonymous

        Please explain how Mainers are uninformed about health care insurance in Maine.

        • Anonymous

          Well for one thing. You don’t even know the purpose of insurance. You call it “gambling”. You could start there.

          • Anonymous

            It is gambling – on the part of the insurance companies. They take your money and gamble that they will not have to pay you to cover costs of the insurance. It’s why premiums for some are higher than others – smokers pay more for life insurance because they are more likely to die sooner; young people pay more for auto insurance because they are more likely to get in a crash; etc.

          • Anonymous

            It is risk taking as is gambling.That said, the purpose of insurance is to spread the risk of the few across the many.

  • Anonymous

    The commission is courpt. They can take bribes, so why would we beilieve anything but that insurance is going to win.

    • Anonymous

      nice fantasy… I saw Elvis on State St. the other day, he said to say hi! If you’ve got facts, please feel free to share them.

    • Anonymous

      Nonsense.

  • Anonymous

    Would be nice to see Mr. Allumbaugh provide the data for the following claim…

    “Since PL 90 loosened some limits on the size of insurance
    deductibles, Allumbaugh said, that’s opened the door for insurance
    companies to offer new small group and individual policies in Maine.

    “We’ve literally seen dozens of new products being offered,” he said. “They’re priced quite well.”

    In the individual market, Anthem re-worked their Health Choice plan to the new Health Choice plus which did lower the prices for younger folks as a result of the law. There is however more exposure for out of pocket expenses and they no longer cover pregnancy. Dirigo didn’t change their plans. MEGA Life and Health didn’t change their plans.

    So tell us…. where are the ‘dozens of new products being offered’, and then if you can find them, how exactly are they due to PL90? Bring a snack… you’re going to be looking for a while…

    • Anonymous

      Allumbaugh is a BS’er.

      • Anonymous

        Maine heritage policy center ( and ALL heritage centers) mission is to promote private enterperise. It has an innate bias. All of their reserch is intended to promote that “private” goal . Their goal is NOT the public’s best interest. Their research is biased slanted and tainted Yeah he is full of it…Isn’t allenbaumn also associated with some private insurance group??

        • Anonymous

          He is.

        • Anonymous

          Allumbaugh is the president of the Maine Association of Health Underwriters.

          He also is on the board of MGARA, the Maine Guaranteed Access Reinsurance Agency, the State run high-risk insurance pool. See my other comments about MGARA, but suffice it to say it was created by ALEC.

          • Anonymous

            and was peddled to ALL R governor’s –nothing unique to Maine or Mainer’s unique needs . Basically cookie cutter legislation ..

    • FELT

      You could try reading the GORMAN ACTUARIAL report for starters:

      “PL90 expands the rating bands for the Individual and Small Group Markets. This allows insurers more flexibility in rating and allows insurers to charge higher rates for older individuals and small groups and lower rates for younger individuals and small groups.

      In addition, the statute allows insurers to charge higher rates for individuals and small groups located in higher costing areas such as Northern Maine and Down East.2

      Along with expanding the rating bands, PL90 introduces a reinsurance program on the Individual Market. The effect of this reinsurance program will be a premium reduction in the Individual Market. However, the reinsurance program will be partially funded by assessments on the fully-insured and self-insured markets which will result in an increase in premiums to these other market segments….

      Finally, with additional provisions of the ACA occurring in 2014, the Maine markets may again experience some pricing disruption. Due to the premium tax subsidies and cost sharing subsidies, the Individual Market premiums for many will be much lower which will entice individuals into the Individual Market rating pool. However, others will receive premium increases due to the essential benefit requirement. In addition, states will be required to establish a Transitional Individual Market reinsurance program for the Individual Market funded by the privately insured market.

      The implementation of PL90 does not significantly impact the results presented in our May 2011 analysis of the ACA. The number of uninsured still decreases significantly and the Individual Market membership still increases significantly. However, PL90 may
      slightly accelerate this Individual Market growth prior to 2014.” http://www.maine.gov/pfr/insurance/PL90/GormanActuarialReport.pdf

      …and if you have credible disagreement, cite your source and expertise; otherwise I’ll dismiss you as just another partisan hack who can’t tell one Heritage Policy center from another!

      • Anonymous

        Raise your hand if you are a 20-something that has seen their insurance rates go down.

        As noted elsewhere, Obamacare also allows insurance companies to charge older people three times more for the same insurance as it does younger ones. What PL90 would have allowed, had Obamacare been ruled unconstitutional, is for that ratio to be FIVE to one.

        Or, that policy that a 21 year old pays $350 a month for a 55 year old could be charged $1750 a month for.

        ::

        As an aside, the Dept of Health and Human Services (HHS) just issued proposed rules regarding how the ratings bands will work. See page 43:

        http://www.ofr.gov/OFRUpload/OFRData/2012-28428_PI.pdf

        • FELT

          21 year olds rarely need health insurance, yet are forced to buy it; in effect the government is extorting money from young adults to pay for the expenses of others….rob the young to pay for ever more unsustainable Medicare ‘promises.’

          Martin’s Point’s widely acclaimed Medicare(Generation) Advantage plan is a good benchmark to measure the costs and benefits; however it is complex with a lot of variables…..in fact it is so complex they have a form to assign a representative to deal with the myriad of issues that arise.

    • Anonymous

      ..you have to watch righties ‘choice of words’ very carefully . Note he didn’t say the deductibles were any LESS!! People are being FORCED to accept higher deductible to be able to “afford ‘ insurance” So you can get insurance with a #35,000 deductible instead of a $1,000 deductble? Who does that help? Insurers NOT Mainers .

  • FELT

    After getting notice of reductions in Medicare coverage—and coincidentally AARP’s supplemental $$, increases in social security deductions for medicare, and Obamacare’s reduction of behavioral health reimbursement for services rendered; I feel this consumer of A.C.A. has gotten screwed.

    So is Treat going to protect us from the deception and cost shifting under ACA?

    Is she going after perfectly acceptable provisions of PL90 in a frenzy of partisan revenge?

    What’s her point anyway?

    • Anonymous

      PL 90 was crammed through during the thankfully brief Republican Legislative majority. The Heritage group and the insurance companies essentially wrote PL 90. LePage even blocked any non-partisan review by the insurance department. Those things alone aren’t enough to have this at least looked at again?

      • FELT

        There were many Dem. budgets rammed through at midnight; apparently these should be reversed too, as well as other pieces of legislation that were kept away from Rep. scrutiny until 5 min. before a midnight vote.

        And which lobbyists wrote DIRIGO HEALTH CARE legislation….I can tell for a fact they were from B.U’.s School of Public Health and the key members of the lobbying coalition were far lefties like Joe Detri, Kit St. John, and John Martin, Maine’s Turkey of the year!

        Which heritage group wrote the draft? MHPC or the HERITAGE FOUNDATION.

        I’m guessing you’ve never been involved in writing or lobbying for legislation, but little that is introduced in Augusta of any significance originated in-state.

        • Anonymous

          Evidently you missed the whoopie pie vote.

        • Anonymous

          Gotta remember we are dealing with a real severe case of selective memory here.

        • Anonymous

          Here is a copy of the marked up bill that the IFA Committee was given just a few hours to read and then vote on. You probably can’t tell me whose handwriting is on the bill. My guess is Joel Allumbaugh can:

          http://www.dirigoblue.com/2011/05/ld1333-has-been-marked-up-again/

          • FELT

            You’ve got a problem with letting a pro deal with markups? Which Dem. has the cred. to deal with this content?

          • Anonymous

            I have a REAL problem with the primary benefociary of the bill ( an unelected official by the way) writing it and ‘marking it up” can you say clear direct conflict of interest?? Woudl you have a problelm with Pretty Foolish submitting a bill that primarily benefits MY company? Seriously think of the gall of doing that and then promoting it thru your think tank??

        • Anonymous

          bet you can’t find any ….Do any of those named lobbyist have ANY FINANCIAL connection to any health industry Did any of them FINANCIALLY benefit? NOPE.

    • Anonymous

      How about REAGAN’;s solution to the problem? He INCREASED SS taxes ( significantly by the way) and created a separate Medicare Tax.. How about adding a Lock box to both. AND increasing the income cap? The solutions are easy They just aren’t the solution the Grover Norquist want..

  • jedclampet

    NO

  • trisailer

    I think that Maine has an opportunity here to create a original, model, healthcare system. If the two sides come together they can make something that combines market solutions and personal responsibility with this centralized system.

    There is no way that the state can afford to sit back and just try to keep up with the rising cost of healthcare. We have to address costs. We have to create a system that uses the carrot and the stick to produce a better result. All I see is discussions about how to spend money for insurance and nothing about how to actually reduce healthcare costs and improve peoples health.

    In a perfect world, each of us would do a better job to manage our individual health. We would make better choices about eating, smoking and drinking and exercise. Maine has a huge obesity problem that is not being addressed. People are left to their own devices to become overweight and now their children, then come asking for healthcare to treat the results. They then can be treated, no strings attached, go home with some expensive prescription and continue eating themselves to death.

    If someone is arrested for drunk driving we can demand that they address their drinking problem with therapy, AA, rehab and other programs that addresses their mindset. Why do we not do this with health issues that are the direct result of individual choices? How many adult ed programs are there that teach people how to monitor and manage their health? I couldn’t find any. How many school programs are there to address weight issues with children? Maine is a beautiful state with endless recreational opportunities. We have outfitters and small businesses all over the state who would benefit from a system that gets kids outdoors. They’re kids. We have a responsibility to develop personal responsibility and they would love it.

    I’m no doctor, but I believe that the underlying cause of overeating and many other health issues is depression and stress. Food is a source of endorphins, but not a very good one. Alcohol and other substances are all used as a substitute for the endorphins that we should be getting naturally by living a life that we are attracted to and that we appreciate.

    The beauty of finding natural ways to balance our lives is that it doesn’t cost much and once people see the benefits, and they will, they become attracted to it and keep coming back to it.

    Living a happy, healthy life has nothing to do with income or status. It’s all brain chemistry anyway. The best times of my life were being in the outdoors of Maine.

  • Anonymous

    ” PL, 90 — was an attempt to spur more competition in Maine’s health
    insurance market by making it easier for insurers to offer new plans for
    small groups and individuals and by allowing small businesses to band
    together and negotiate more favorable rates”

    It appears it didn’t work out that way :

    “Consumers for Affordable Health Care published an analysis
    that found premiums had increased for 54 percent of individual
    policyholders in Maine and 90 percent of small-business policyholders
    since the law had taken effect.”

  • Anonymous

    Say what you want, boys and girls. The people of Maine have spoken!

    • Anonymous

      And they will speak again and again and again. sometimes the way we each want and other times not. As long as this is a free country it will always be flowing back and forth.

      • Anonymous

        42 years of D control and 2 years of R control isn’t ” flowing back and forth” .
        R’s blew it … they were out of touch with the desires of those they claimed to want to “serve.”. Attacking voters and falsely calling them fraudsters doesn’t go over too well with them.Promoting policies that make it HARDER to vote didn’t go over so well. It’s pretty foolish to bite the hand that feeds you..Insulting those you depend on ( need) to vote for you doesn’t go over too well.( teachers, pensioners, state workers, the unemployed etc)

        • Anonymous

          John McKernan and Angus King were Democrats?

          • Anonymous

            hey just throwing back the endless and oft repeated right “myth ” of of complete and total D control for 40+ years…. back at yah.

          • Anonymous

            Yes, a Teabully’s stock-in-trade myth.

            They love their myths.

  • Anonymous

    Democrats overhauling health insurance. Why do I think I am about to get screwed?

    • Grateful Head

      Because you are very partisan.

      • Anonymous

        And you on the other hand are not…. hhhhmmmmm?

    • Anonymous

      what you don’t realize is that Obamacare was a right wing idea many many many years ago.

      • Anonymous

        I was opposed to Government in healthcare likely since before you were born. I have seen them screw it up personally for the last two decades.

        • Anonymous

          You know when I was born?

          Where’s my birthday card?

          • Anonymous

            Don’t have your address. :)

          • Anonymous

            Left Center, ME OU812

          • Anonymous

            LOL

        • Anonymous

          BUT “Obamacare” uses the PRIVATE sector to deliver insurance !!

      • FELT

        got a cite or just some flashbacks from your drug using days?

        I got this:

        “Efforts to enact a single payer system in the United States date back to Franklin Roosevelt. When devising Social Security he originally proposed a comprehensive system of nationalized health care along the single payer model. Truman also made attempts to bring single payer legislation through Congress but was defeated in 1953.

        Lyndon Johnson had a plan to insure all Americans via a single payer system. He originally proposed Medicare and Medicaid to cover everyone, but had to scale back his proposal because of political opposition.” WIKIPEDIA.

        ….All of them were ‘right wingers’???Dyslexic?

        • Anonymous

          Did I say something about single payer? No, I did not. Try paying attention.

      • Anonymous

        AND that it was the HERITAGE CENTER ,itself , who first peddled the concept of mandatory coverage for all!!!

    • Anonymous

      Because you won’t.

      Yessah

    • Anonymous

      …because you put insurers’ best interest ahead of Mainer’s best interest??

  • Anonymous

    I would suggest that the governor remove the dust from his veto pen. The DEMS want to take us back to the days of 18 – 20% annual increases to our health insurance.

    • Anonymous

      you have no idea what you are talking about.

    • fourCatssoon

      Surprise – you are not the Maine majority!

      • FELT

        Screw up health insurance costs and benefits, and neither will you.

        • Anonymous

          What is your solution?

  • Anonymous

    Well maybe it’s time to start taxing the hosptials who currently do not pay taxes because of the so called non-profit status?? Why should EMMC be allowed to buy up all the land in Bangor and keep expanding and not pay taxes and supposedly they are hurting? This is one of the things wrong with the system.

  • Anonymous

    Dems should repeal it and let LePage veto it.

    If the GOP decides it wants to side with LePage and prevent an override, that’s OK too.

    They will be voted out of power in legislative AND executive branches of Maine Government in 2014 – and they will only have themselves to blame.

    Yessah

  • Anonymous

    Just to make sure it’s clear:

    PL90 allows insurance companies to charge every person covered up to $6 a month (it’s currently at $4), with the money going to the state run high-risk insurance pool known as the Maine Guaranteed Access Reinsurance Association (MGARA). Private insurers also contribute to MGARA.

    For a family of five, that’s $20 a month, or $240 a year.

    The language in the bill that created MGARA comes almost verbatim from ALEC, the American Legislative Exchange Council.

    PL90 allows private insurers to force high-cost customers off their policies and onto MGARA. So if you have health insurance provided by your employer, and happen to have a child that has diabetes or cancer or another malady that costs a lot of money to treat, then your insurer can cancel your policy.

    Privatize the profits, socialize the risks – brought to you by the Maine Republican Party.

    • Anonymous

      so allenbaum , “consultant” of the heritage center is the PRIMARY recipient and beneficiary of the bill!!! No conflict of interest there!!!

  • Anonymous

    PL90 allows for health insurance companies to charge some of its customers FIVE times more than others, not three times more. PL90 is written so that State law in regards to this ratio conform to Federal law – Obamacare also allows insurers to charge three times more too.

    But Maine Republicans were counting on Obamacare being ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court. And so you will find in the law language like this:

    For all policies, contracts or certificates that are executed, delivered, issued for delivery, continued or renewed in this State on or after January 1, 2016, the maximum rate differential due to age filed by the carrier as determined by ratio is 5 to 1 to the extent permitted by the federal Affordable Care Act. The limitation does not apply for determining rates for an attained age of less than 19 years of age or more than 65 years of age.

  • Anonymous

    On 31 October 2011, Joel Allumbaugh and Garrett Martin (head of the left-leaning Maine Economic Policy Center (MECEP)) debated PL90 at the USM Law School. You can watch it here:

    http://www.dirigoblue.com/2011/11/debate-health-insurance-reform-in-maine-benefits-and-rollbacks/

  • Anonymous

    United Healthgroup is expanding into a huge palace about 3 miles from here. You know who United Healthcgroup is right? Every 3-4 years a new CEO takes over rakes in about $50M a year and retires. Yep and we get a $40 rebate because they made 80% margins. Obamacrap has got his pockets lined with their money. So UHG is building a huge palace and the med device companies are laying off in the 10’s of thousands. Nice legislation. And oh wait, this is affordable. Just remember, healthcare is now affordabull…

    • Anonymous

      And what is your solution?

    • Anonymous

      how did they “line obama’s pockets”?”

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