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  • Anonymous

    Basically the company is playing a dangerous game of chicken The judge said cut it out ,

    • Anonymous

      Not what he said at all. Re-Read the article and consider what the role of a judge is.

      • Anonymous

        Obviously there are a lot of people that don’t know what the role of a judge is in bankruptcy court.
        Sad commentary on our society.

  • Anonymous

    with all the employee protection laws on the books we do not need unions.. they are killing our country and also puting people in office that are doing the same..we are becoming and maybe alredy are the laziest country in the world…

    • Anonymous

      The percentage of people who belong to a Union is at an 80+ year low. Basically, you have no idea what you are talking about. The last line in your post is so wrong…so, so wrong.

      • Anonymous

        I wish I was wrong but I deal in reality and based on what i am seeing daily and how people vote, we are a lazy country…
        I

        • Anonymous

          You are wrong. Stop spewing nonsense. We have the highest productivity rates in the world — we are absolutely not lazy.

          http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/money/economy/2011-04-04-us-economy-jobs.htm

          • Anonymous

            We have have high productivity rates right now, but give it time. The current administration will strangle any business and productivity in the future and as the lazy and entitled become the majority, we will fall far behind the rest of the world.

          • Anonymous

            Our productivity rates are going up, not down. Business has been improving the last four years, corporate profits at an all time high. You are ranting and raving at a shadow.

          • Anonymous

            Hasn’t happened in Canada. Sweden, with one of the best welfare nets in the world, is a great place to live with an excellent economy.

          • Anonymous

            Their right wing bubbles don’t allow facts to penetrate unfortunately.

          • Anonymous

            Then what are you still doing here?

          • Anonymous

            Obama won, my friend. We’re moving in the correct direction. Notice I didn’t say “right.” :)

          • Anonymous

            Spoken like a true socialist.

          • Anonymous

            You will continue to lose with your ignorant and distorted thinking.

          • Anonymous

            Perfectly clear thinking, thank you…..and ignorant this, tootsie.

          • Anonymous

            And you flight leaves when?

          • Anonymous

            Tough flying out of LAX over Thanksgiving due to Union Thuggery.

          • Guest

            The gloom and doom party goes on.

          • Anonymous

            Thanks for the interesting link!

        • Guest

          Such a dim view of life you are seeing everyday.
          The sky is not falling.

        • Anonymous

          Your basing your assessment of American’s work ethic based on how they vote? lol. The lab called, your brain is ready.

      • Anonymous

        you are right on the low membership but look waht they are trying to do to walmart.. intimidation.. and unions will kill walmart’s US operations..

        • Anonymous

          You mean it will kill China-marts’s US operation? Do you like paying for Wal-Mart’s employee healthcare? Because you do.

          • Anonymous

            China-mart. Well put. I think all Sam’s kids are now listed, separately, as some of the richest people in the USA, probably the world.

          • Anonymous

            The net worth of Sam Walton’s children is higher than the net worth of the poorest 150 Million Americans combined (many of whom work at Wal-Mart).

          • Anonymous

            Just as K-Mart took over for Sears; just as WalMart took over for K-Mart, some entrepreneur will figure out some way to out-WalMart Walmart.
            Ain’t Free Enterprise great?

        • Anonymous

          What’s wrong with fighting for better pay? What’s wrong with fighting for better benefits? Why should anyone bough down, kissings the Walton kids azzes ? These employees are why those snots, made 6 billion dollars each last year. Time to show a little love don’t you think? I wouldn’t say it’s the employees that are being ungrateful. would you?

          • Anonymous

            Fighting doesn’t pay the bills.

        • Sherman2

          Once again you have no clue what you’re talking about… The Wal-mart strike is about protecting the workers, who you obviously hold in contempt for some odd misplaced reason. Wal-mart wants to raise the cost of health insurance for some as much as 38%, kind of hard when you make $7/hr.
          The Waltons are some of the richest people in the world, they made their millions by selling cheap Chinese goods while driving out AMERICAN manfacturing and local retailers at the same time… There was a time when companies looked out for their employees and understood that they are the source of that companies income.
          Simple Corprate Greed and their now anonymous employees…
          …but isn’t this what your type want .. everyone making $7/hr and no benefits, not even Romeny-care.
          Selfish

          • As an ex Wal Mart employ I can say without a doubt 80% or the employees are some of the dumbest people I have ever worked with. They won’t do their jobs they won’t clean up after themselves and really don’t give a flying F about the customer. That being said If they were unionized their work habits would degrade and they would lose more of their pay to the same people who have driven this country into the dirt. You aks who is that, well why the 1%er’s you know those people who for 300 years have been trying to wipe out certain populations and turn the rest into slaves.

          • Millicent

            I’m a former WM employee – I didn’t encounter what you’re claiming, yes there are always going to be some employees who don’t care, especially in that environment, but 80%? I don’t think so – I worked for two different stores in two different states through transfers, for four years. I can however attest to the claim that a large chunk of their employees are on state assistance.

          • Anonymous

            Didn’t I see you while checking out at the Brewer WalMart last Monday? You were the one with the blue smock and nametag at the gun counter as I recall.
            Before there was an America, one could become wealthy by three ways: Inherit it, Marry it, or Pillage it. During your “300-years of American hate” you refer to, Americans could actually EARN wealth.

          • Anonymous

            You make it sound like Wal*Mart has to pay for insurance. They don’t. If they were smart they would stop providing and everyone could sign up for Obama Care and all would be fine.

          • Sherman2

            SINGLE PAYER INSURANCE! Works for me! No more insurance middle men making billions of dollars that we pay for in order to get some insurance against financial ruin from medical bills! I think sometimes they forget we pay them money to protect us , not to rape us.
            Insurance: One of the few “businesses” that make money by denying you the very thing you’re paying for.

        • Anonymous

          No they will not kill walmart so don’t lie

    • Anonymous

      Oh, we’re talking about the world? We actually have the highest productivity rates in the world, and yet our working and middle class wages have been stagnant for 20 years, we don’t have mandatory maternity leave like the rest of the world, we don’t have mandatory sick and holiday time like the rest of the world, etc.

      Your comment is literally nonsense.

      • Anonymous

        family medical leave act… and the list goes on.. entitlements never end…lets be more like europe.. you just proved my point

        • Anonymous

          I proved your point wrong. You are just making up garbage and then pretending it’s fact. That’s dishonest. We don’t have many of the basic work “entitlements” of other countries. We have the highest productivity in the world — and yet you actively lie and say we’re lazy and entitled. You’re lying when you say that stuff.

        • Anonymous

          More BS.

        • Anonymous

          Yes, just as long as you have your healthcare. So selfish. This last election sent a strong message, that most people in this country do not believe in, or want, the “me against them” mentality. They want the whole boat to rise.

        • Guest

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    • Anonymous

      Spoken like a business owner who doesn’t know how to treat his employees. When the bullies get out of the business of squeezing every last ounce out of workers, there will be no need for unions.

      • Anonymous

        He wants the usa to back to the 1920s

        • Anonymous

          No, but back to a time when the average worker could afford to raise a family and buy a home would be nice.. It will happen again, but maybe not again in my lifetime.

    • Anonymous

      If companies had there way we would be back in the 1920.

    • Anonymous

      With out the unions your employee protections laws will quickly be removed from the books. With out the threat of unions your benefits package, if you have any, will be downsized to the point of non-existance.

  • Anonymous

    Sick of this narrative that the workers were the ones running the company and some how they’re responsible for the mismanagement. This narrative is from the same bunch of people that constantly whine about “personal responsibility” and “entitlements”. Nothing screams “personal responsibility” like being entitled to scapegoating your employees and throwing them under the bus! Right?

    • Anonymous

      What would you do?

      • Anonymous

        This is a company that spent the better part of a decade in bankruptcy and had 6 different CEOs during that time — I wouldn’t be blaming the workers for that.

  • Anonymous

    The company is broke and the union voted to strike and lose their jobs right at the start of the holiday season. I think this is maybe the stupidest thing I have witnessed but hey, good luck to the striking workers. Spend the next few weeks pondering why you did what you did and what you hoped to gain.

    • Anonymous

      I hope they all eat some junky canned goods for Thanksgiving
      it’s what the selfish punks deserve

      • Sherman2

        Are you talking about Managment! I agree! Hostess managment are selfish punk scum suckin dawgs!! You go Jackie!

    • pbmann

      If the company is so broke, how can the CEO’s pay increase from $700,000 to $3,000,000, a 300% increase and the top executives getting increases in pay of up to 100%?

      How can they still give bonuses to their executives while filing for bankruptcy?

      The union workers gave concessions but it is not about concessions but union busting.

    • Anonymous

      Some people believe in taking a stand, and not standing by with a bad status quo ( lousy treatment of employees,etc.)

  • Anonymous

    Maybe Whole Foods will buy The company

  • Kevin Levesque

    I worked for a union for 22 1/2 years and got a royal screwing.. The rasies you get let’s say 2.00 per hour the union take 1.50 of it.I say get rid of the unions. now

    • Anonymous

      The union took 3/4 of your raise? Sounds a little made up.

    • Anonymous

      Unions don’t necessarily care about the people they support, they care about themselves. After all, the only reason they still exist is by forcing workers to pay them dues. With no workers, there is no union. They are basically another form of encroaching government–force you to pay taxes or suffer the consequences.

      • Anonymous

        Right you are!

    • Anonymous

      BS.

    • Anonymous

      NICE LIE

    • Anonymous

      I don’t know what union you were in, but dues for U.A.W. were 2 hours pay a month. That is far from breaking anyone.

    • Anonymous

      I’m with you.
      To hell with unions, ALL unions.
      Unions = organized crime.

  • Anonymous

    Fight on, union workers, bring dignity back to America!

    • Anonymous

      Phase One: Strike and close the business.
      Phase Two: Strike at LA airport to hurt Americans trying to visit their famiiles for the holidays.
      Phase Three?: Throw fire bombs just like in Greece.

      • Anonymous

        Phase Four: THE SKY IS FALLING! THE SKY IS FALLING

  • Liberal Soup N Crackers

    The judge told BOTH sides to try mediation.

    • Anonymous

      Yes, that is how mediation works.

      • Liberal Soup N Crackers

        Tell it to the BDN, smartazz.

        “Judge tells Hostess to mediate with union”

        • Millicent

          It’s not a BDN article, it’s from Reuters.

        • Guest

          By Nick Brown and Martinne Geller, Reuters

          smartazz…..

          • Anonymous

            The BDN adds the titles of the stories they publish. smartazz….

          • Anonymous

            Sorry but the union isn’t Hostess Brands Inc — they’re not a party in the proceedings. So, smartazz, the title is correct.

          • Anonymous

            Never the less the BDN adds the titles not Reuters. smartazz….

          • Liberal Soup N Crackers

            BDN sets the headlines, dummy … oh wait … we are talking about the BDN … my bad again. They just print whatever some other dummy writes for them.

  • Anonymous

    Union officials noted: “Our members decided… they were not going to agree to another round of outrageous wage and benefit cuts and give up their pension only to see yet another management team fail and Wall Street vulture capitalists and ‘restructuring specialists’ walk away with untold millions of dollars.”

    They had already made concessions. The average employee salary for Hostess employees is approximately $43,000 a year. Meanwhile, the CEO at Hostess got a 300 percent raise from $750,000 to $2,250,000. For doing what? The company had failed to invest in brand marketing and modernization of plants and trucks and had focused instead on enriching owners such as private equity firm Ripplewood Holdings and hedge funds Silver Point Capital and Monarch Alternative Capital.

    Metropolous and Sun Capital Partners are the next vulture capitalists in line, waiting their chance to suck the company even drier. Meanwhile, conservatives everywhere gleefully blame the workers.

    • Anonymous

      You’ve summed it up nicely. Thank you.

    • Anonymous

      Hostess Chief Executive Gregory
      Rayburn has also said the company’s labor contracts have deterred
      would-be bidders for the company and its assets.

      Aside from its
      unionized workforce, analysts, bankers and restructuring experts have
      said that a fleet of inefficient and out-of-date factories has also
      eaten up costs. They have said the brand names were likely to be more
      valuable once they were separated from the factories and sold to
      non-union competitors.

      • Anonymous

        The closer they can get to 3rd world level wages, the happier the company’s new owners will be. Absolutely. The race to the bottom (for workers) continues, cheered on by conservatives.

        • Anonymous

          You don’t understand. There is likely NOT to be a new company hiring these people. Their jobs are likely gone for all time.

          • Anonymous

            New vulture capitalists are on the way. New York Times: Potential suitors are already lining up.

            “Financial investors like Sun Capital Partners and Metropoulos & Company have said that they are interested in pursuing a deal for Hostess.

            “Some of Hostess’s rivals may pursue deals for the company’s most popular brands, especially Twinkies. One possible buyer, Flowers Foods, disclosed on Monday that recent revisions to its bank lending agreements would allow the bakery company to borrow up to $700 million. That additional cash may help finance a deal, analysts said. A spokesman for Flowers did not return a call for comment.

            “Industry analysts say Grupo Bimbo, the world’s largest bread-baking company, is also in the mix. Bimbo, which already owns parts of Entenmann’s, Thomas’ English muffins and Sara Lee bakery, made — and then withdrew — a $540 million bid for Hostess during its previous bankruptcy. The company might just buy pieces, because it could face antitrust issues.

          • Anonymous

            Ok. I read that, I also read a few other articles. I suppose you can take your pick of possible outcomes but for me …..

            “I came to the conclusion long ago that all life is six to five against.”
            ~~~ Damon Runyon

  • Anonymous

    You aren’t half the person Michelle is.

    • Sherman2

      Looks like JackL. got another comment deleted!

  • Anonymous

    The more I learn about Hostess, the more I think they were trying to screw the workers to line their own CEO’s pockets. I hope people will read the short paragraphs below before continuing to scorn the workers at Hostess.

    This is from the Think Progress website:

    The Confectionery, Tobacco Workers & Grain Millers International Union pointed this out in their written reaction to the news that the business is closing:

    BCTGM members are well aware that as the company was preparing to file for bankruptcy earlier this year, the then CEO of Hostess was awarded a 300 percent raise (from approximately $750,000 to $2,550,000) and at least nine other top executives of the company received massive pay raises. One such executive received a pay increase from $500,000 to $900,000 and another received one taking his salary from $375,000 to $656,256.

    Certainly, the company agreed to an out-sized pension debt, but the decision to pay executives more while scorning employee contracts during a bankruptcy reflects a lack of good managerial judgement.

    http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/11/16/1203151/why-unions-dont-shoulder-the-blame-for-hostesss-downfall/?mobile=nc

  • Anonymous

    If you don’t like working for a company…then you have an option. Go work somewhere else. Better yet, hang in there, the govt will support you.

    • Anonymous

      So you support the CEO getting a 300% raise and top executives getting 60-100% raises all while the company is going bankrupt? If you have a good job aren’t you going to fight to keep your good job?

    • Anonymous

      And if you can’t run a company, don’t be a coward and blame your workers for your failures.

  • Anonymous

    Read this if you want to know why Hostess failed, good reading.

    http://www.salon.com/2012/11/20/vulture_capitalism_not_unions_killed_twinkies/

  • Moe Bolduc

    Ah yes, UNIONS. Communism at it’s best !

  • Anonymous

    Hostess brands is not going anywhere, we see many bakeries bidding for them.
    This is exactly what the Hedge funds, and the capital funds wanted. They have made their millions, now they want to sell a damaged product.

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