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  • I’ll live just fine without Twinkies, Wonder Bread and Ding Dongs.

    • Anonymous

      You won’t curl up and die ?

      • About the only think I crave from Hostess now and then is a package of yellow cupcakes but even if they went away I would still make it :)

        • Anonymous

          The cravings would intensify by the day until you couldn’t stand it anymore so don’t try and fool yourself ( :>)

          • I only get the cravings though when I see them so if I don’t see them I would be ok :)

          • Anonymous

            Ya just nevah know,Kev

    • Anonymous

      We could all live without their crap.   I sure hope the pro union crowd isn’t supporting unhealthful eating?

    • Anonymous

      I think Hostess is planing on going healthy and are going to start making multi- grain and whole wheat Twinkies.;-)

    • Anonymous

      Maybe so but can the workers live without their jobs?

    • Anonymous

      How will Cavuto survive without Twinkies???  ;)

    • Anonymous

      We may need twinkies and wonder bread when it all collapses though.  Its going to be about the only ‘food’ that will stay safe to eat 10+ years from now.

  • Anonymous

    I bid $1,000.00!

  • Well maybe the Philly bakery can join the 3 here in the Midwest that shut down for good.  Unions reap what they sow.   

    • Anonymous

      indeed….they’ve harvested bakruptcies rather consistently

      labor unions are short term propositions at best, because in the long run they always fail

      • Anonymous

        So if that’s the case how come BIW is still going  strong  ?

        • Anonymous

           Federal Money…. We all know there is plenty of that. *smirk*

          • Anonymous

            No they bid on contracts they don’t bid what ever they want an get it

          • Anonymous

             There is more to it than that. There are only two major shipyards for instance. The government wants them both to survive.
            There is also this compact the government has with some unions. Federal wage regulations require a union wage scale be met so it is truly not competitive on the labor end of a contract. There is no incentive to hold down costs there.

          • Anonymous

            Thats not what we were told at BIW the navy can reject any bid any time they want to. The union has told all its members the same think

          • Anonymous

            Unions lie.

          • Anonymous

            can you prove that the union at Biw lied to there members ??

          • Anonymous

            Can you prove they didn’t?

          • Anonymous

            You can not answer a question with a question. I talked with the union reps all the time so i know its true an yes the company works with the union an the union works with the company ive seen it happen many times. Ive seen many times were the union employee have found way to save the company money with the unions blessing an the union encourage it to

        • Anonymous

          And its never a guarantee they will have consistent work.  They get to bid on contracts so they must remain competitive and keep costs low or face the alternative of shutting down completely.  It seems every 12-18 months there is always the question of BIW will remain open or if they will shut down due to losing or getting no further contracts from the government.  A union may be strong there, but they are held back by the reality that if they come on too strong, there is no work and no union.

          • Anonymous

            How many years has the union been at BIW an they have not even come close to closing there doors its the men an women that have produce even more over the years an they are union people they take pride in there work an every captian wants a BIW ship so what does that tell you  ? The navy wanted to blow up a room so who did they get to build that room to blow up it was BIW

          • Anonymous

            And its a rare case where I think the employees overshadow the union.  They have a good job, which takes rather skilled labor…I’d say your average Hostess employee isn’t going to know the first thing about shipbuilding and doesn’t have the skills necessary to do so. 

          • Anonymous

            No the union uses there head they know whats fair an the company knows it to

        • Anonymous

          BIW will be around for a long time, look what they build……Not because of Unions…

          • Anonymous

            Yes it is because of the union people they do excelent work thats why every captian wants a biw ship

        • Anonymous

           Single customer with deep pockets.

          • Anonymous

            wrong the Navy can reject a bid so nice try an biw know that

      • Anonymous

        Unions only make sense in a strong economy in strong industries. When either of those things are not true they put the final nail in the coffin for that industry.

        • Anonymous

          Does management ever have any responsibilities for a bankruptcy? Why is it that only unionized workers are always the ones blamed?

          • Anonymous

             DOH, guess what, they all lose their jobs, get reorganized and pay a stiff penalty for the problems, even the non-union folks. It isn’t about good guy/bad guy stuff. It’s about responsibly moving through time to acquire an honest good relationship that can benefit all, not just the union. If the union gets more, some other important aspect gets shorted. Good negotiating requires a good balance on both parts to face the stiff competition and market forces, but all too often we have seen the unions use their monopoly power in an information vacuum to their own detriment. And then, its the management’s fault?

          • Anonymous

            Sure. Management has ultimate responsibility. That should go without saying. The problem with unions is that they hardly ever recognize the damage they do.

          • Anonymous

            No the Republican philosophy is that management never does anything wrong. It is always the workers who get together and ask for a living wage/more gruel who ruin companies. If they would simply be content to make $1.85 a day/be slaves no companies would ever go bankrupt.

      • pbmann

        How come Germany, with very strong unions, have a stronger economy than us?

        • Rob Kelley

          a nearly 50% tax on income,  14% sales tax.  Just to name a few.  lived over there for 4 years and had a german wife. 

        • Anonymous

          Germany has a trade surplus, not a trade deficit. Germans also buy German. We buy Chinese.

          • Anonymous

            Exactly.  They stimulate their own economy by producing and buying their own goods…though it also helps to tax income an insanely high amount.  It will happen here with time.  15-20 years from now we will look back and wish we could go back to being taxed on less than 75% of or income even at the middle class.

          • Jake_OO7

            So Twinkies are made in China?

          • Anonymous

             Not yet!

          • Anonymous

             They would survive the slow boat trip and be as fresh as the day they were baked.  :)

          • Anonymous

            Maybe fresher !

      • Anonymous

        Not at BIW they have not failed

    • Stubborn unions are a factor, but the holy free market is the primary reason this company is failing.

      • Anonymous

        What?The free market is to blame? Maybe Obama should be making twinkies now comrade.He can now offer all his voters EBT cards free phones and twinkies for life

        • Yes, the free market. Let me dumb it down for you. People no buy twinkies, company make twinkie no make money, company go bankrupt. :D

          • Anonymous

            Again some devine itervention from Obama maybe a twinkie production cabinet  member will solve this.How about realizing unions are sucking company’s dry.Hows that redistribution working out.

          • Anonymous

            A twinkie czar, you say !

            I can go along with that.
            At least it will help me to forget Obama’s role in Benghazi………………

          • How about realizing that supply and demand, off the chart executive pay and unions are all part of the equation to varying degrees, and over-simplified explanations that do not address all 3 are worthless.

          • Anonymous

            None of those are the reason. The company is $800 million in debt and about to declare bankruptcy.

          • Uh, yeah.,,and where did that debt come from? Thin air? :P

          • Anonymous

            You should read up on it. Sounds exactly like a Bain Capital type takeover. They just want to get out of their pension and benefits obligations before they declare bankruptcy AGAIN, this will be the fourth time in 20 years I think.

          • Yes, they see the writing on the wall. Though this is an effect, not a cause.

          • Anonymous

            Poor management is the primary cause.

          • I would say it’s definitely a big part of it – those that don’t evolve, do not succeed generally – though that said, the decline of demand on the given products is not something management has full control of clearly. Some issues simply cannot be remedied, even with brilliant management.

      • Anonymous

        I think that means that the free market determined it did not want to purchase the product.

      • Anonymous

        Free market is to blame…and what is wrong with that?  Times have changed.  People don’t want to shove lard logs and bread of unknown origin into their mouths anymore as we are more aware of eating better.  For those still oblivious to eating well or looking for the occasional snack, their products were once much cheaper than other similar products on the market, but that is absolutely no longer the case.  So yes, the free market did (and always should) determine the success of a company.  Don’t stay competitive, up to date, and keep prices low in a market that demands it, then you lose out.  Its the basics of capitalism.

        • Nothing wrong with that at all. Just trying to slow the whole “it’s all the unions faults” crowd down a tad here (though they obviously have their points as well, especially in this example.)

      • Anonymous

        Is the “holy” free market overseen by the Pope?

        • Yes. And he’s overseen a loss of demand in his “product” as well, across the world. Maybe he should be fired as well?

          • Anonymous

            And Society is showing the decline.Wonder if twinkies demise  will have the same effect.

        • Anonymous

          The Pope makes twinkies.

      • Anonymous

        The company saw this coming why didn’t they do something earlier  ?

    • Anonymous

      “Unions reap what they sow.”   

      As if “Hostess, which makes Twinkies, Wonder Bread and Ding Dongs …” is not going to fail anyway. They should change their business model and make food. 

      • Anonymous

         But that would cut into their profit margin.  Most of what they put in their snacks is High Fructose Corn Syrup, subsidized up the wazoo by the American taxpayer.  Making healthy products would never be part of their business model.  It’s the free market, and we pay for it, comin’ and goin.’  Now they want to pay their workers less. Do you think Americans will eat twinkies made in China?  Maybe corn syrup isn’t as cheap in China.

        • But the nice wholesome American man with the cornfield backdrop in the commercial said it wasn’t that bad! :D

  • Anonymous

    No Twinkies ??
      Oh well.
     But make sure you “Leggo my Eggo” and dont touch my Little Debbies.

  • Anonymous

     Union members are but one step away from the welfare mentality that is ensnaring this country.

     Their strike, in this instance, will probably remove that last barrier keeping them from their own EBT card.

     Ding-Dongs for everyone.

    • Anonymous

      Ok you say that now they take all the cuts that the company want  what will the have when they retire  or they mite half to work till they  die . If they do retire they will all require state services is that want you want  ? Don’t forget every time some one takes a pay cut thats less tax money that the state gets an that will effect every one in  Maine  .

      • Anonymous

         And every time someone loses a job … its a good thing?

        • Anonymous

          they work for 7:50 an what will they retire on state welfare ? How do they pay there bill on 7;50  an hr ?

          • Anonymous

            You pick up a second job.  Or a third.  That is how it works, and how its always worked.  I am so tired of people thinking that stuffing twinkies in a box means you should earn over $30k a year doing it with full benefits.  You want to earn a better living?  Do something about it.  Go to night classes at a community college or university, earn an associate or bachelor degree, and get a better job.  Enough of this getting something for nothing mentality.  If you want to earn a better living, then you must work for it.  Otherwise, expect to work more than one low paying job to make ends meet.  I don’t understand why this is so hard to grasp.  Yeah they probably have a hard time paying bills.  So do something about it instead of complaining. 

          • Anonymous

            I would go on the state before i take on a second or third job going to school cost money you do your work an you expect a decent wages for you work . Now the company is to blame for this they saw it coming what did they do so this would not happen ?

          • Anonymous

            Your mentality is the problem with people in this country.  This right here.  Instead of working and making ends meet on your own, you would rather do the bare minimum to get by and let the government step in and hold your hand to make things better.  It disgusts me.  If you want a better position in life, more pay, bigger house, a secure retirement…then take matters into your own hands.  It is not the company’s fault, its your own in deciding that earning a low wage in one job is good enough and the rest of your life will just be taken care of by the taxpayers because its too hard or too much work to do anything else on your own.  It is always someone else at fault for your own situation in life–never your own.  Its time to grow up and become a responsible adult.

            If the pay is too low, go find a different job.   If you barely have a high school education, then yeah I do expect you to go out and find a way to get an education.  Go to school, get a degree, and then maybe you do actually deserve a higher paying job with benefits that would be befitting of your new skill set.  Enough of this I will do the bare minimum mentality and let government do the rest.  Some day the trough is going to dry up and there will be nothing left to suckle from.  Then what?

          • Anonymous

            You will see more companies go to all part time work so they will not half to pay any benefity

          • Anonymous

            Hows that hope and change workin for ya now doofuss?

          • Anonymous

            there is no hope see the companies do not care about there employed it called greed

          • Anonymous

            And guess who we have to blame for that?  This may come as a surprise to you, but people go into business to make money…evil and horrendous, I know, but what other point is there but to make money off a product or service?  So when the current administration decided to stifle profit and growth, yeah businesses are going to respond accordingly. 

          • Anonymous

            But the state will half to pay all there medical bills

          • Even low skilled jobs require work ethic and yes, hard work. Someone that has been loyal to a company, has shown up on time and given their all do deserve reasonable compensation. No, such a career route will never make a rich man, though they still deserve a fair living and respect don’t they?

          • Anonymous

            That is what you get paid for. To show up and do your job. Why do people think they deserve so much more for merely doing their job?

          • “So much more” being what? Benefits? If someone puts in 5, 10, 20 years on a job, why shouldn’t they expect good pay and benefits? Doesn’t loyalty count for anything?

            What about executive pay in this country? It’s much higher % wise than it’s ever been, and most businesses obviously aren’t any better today than they were in the past few decades. Failure is often rewarded with a golden parachute – more money than the people at the bottom make in their entire lives. Why do executives “deserve” such pay for running companies into the ground? Their shiny diplomas?

            A successful business pays everyone in it’s workforce enough, but not too much. It charges enough for it’s product, but not too much. All comes back to moderation. Avoidance of excess. Yes, some unions do ask too much, though there are usually the same problems at the top.

          • Anonymous

            Businesses are not your friend, their existence is to make a profit. Loyalty has its advantages, yes, someone who has been loyal with a company for many years should at least have the security of knowing that tomorrow they won’t get fired for basically no reason. Still, I fail to see why businesses need to bend over backwards for low paying, low skill positions. There are literally hundreds or thousands of people who would jump at the opportunity to just earn money, get their foot in the door of a company. The idea that you stay with a company for 20, 30, or more years is a nice thought, but if you aren’t also willing to put in the effort, why should the company?

            If you want to earn more money, get benefits, move up in a company, then show that you are actually willing to better yourself. Yes, those with a ‘shiny diploma’ do deserve more over say the minimum wage employee who decides that its good enough to show up and be ‘loyal’ by I guess being happy enough with doing the bare minimum. Then you have others who decide they want more. They educate themselves and learn a real skill, and when it comes times for a review from their boss, they inform them that they got a degree, they are interested in being loyal to the company and want to move up–what are their options. If there are none, then they are a fool for staying ‘loyal’ to the company and should look elsewhere.

            Enough with this idea that minimum wage employees deserve the world. These jobs are meant to be entry level requiring no real skills…do you get that? Not too many people these days are ready to make a career of sweeping floors and stacking boxes. If you want a livable wage, benefits, but not willing to further yourself through education and training in a specific skill…then why should a company put in more effort than you are willing? Loyalty is nice, but it works both ways. If a minimum wage employee truly cared about having a better life, then they need to do something about it, not expect a company to bend over backwards to support them because they are too lazy to put in the extra effort on their end.

          • Who said anything about deserving the world? 30k and reasonable benefits are “the world” to you? Plenty of low skilled jobs offer $15 off the bat – a myriad in the construction industry alone for starters.

          • Anonymous

            30k and another 10-15k in benefits is the world to many small businesses when you need say 10-20 workers to get the job done, but thanks to an overbearing, nanny government, they are required to essentially double their costs but cannot raise their product/service charges to keep competitive–so how do you propose a company stay in business yet try and keep employees? Its only exponentially worse when you have a very large company with an unskilled workforce whose benefits would be more expensive than their salaries. If we keep this trend, watch as once full time positions switch to part-time so companies are not forced to lose all their profits through high cost nanny government programs.

            If we really wanted to tackle the health care problem, then its time we focus this anger and frustration on that industry, not businesses. Its insane how expensive simple medical procedures, hospital visits, prescription drugs, and medical equipment costs. The only reason its so high is that it can be and they get away with it. This is a very rare instance where I believe government should step in and regulate.

            Why does it cost me $50 for 2 aspirin at the hospital yet I can get a bottle of 100 at the store for less than $3 with the same strength and brand? Or why does it cost $400 for a splint in the hospital when I can buy the same thing at the drug store for $15? Because some doctor spent all of 30 seconds looking at my finger and said, yup its broken? Well I already came up with that conclusion on my own without a medical degree! Its because they can get away with it. You want to bring the cost of healthcare down? Go after hospitals and insurance companies who allow this to go on. When we bring prices of health care back down to reality, then maybe it could be affordable to give the twinkie box filler full benefits. But, if costs remain the same or go up as they are expected to do so, then how can anyone afford to have benefits?

          • You’re right, there are many tough issues – both for employers and employees, and yes health care prices are a big part of it.

            Though short of government intervention, how is lowering prices going to be accomplished? It would require going against the free market and fixing prices wouldn’t it?

            The other side of this of course is that the hospitals are getting shortchanged by those who don’t have insurance and they have to make up these losses elsewhere. So, all of the insured have to pay more because of the un-insured. I think many fail to grasp this.

            So, fixing pricing and universal health care where everyone pays in, does seem to be the most pragmatic approach – though since it’s a “socialist” approach, as you know, it isn’t popular with a large percentage of the population (even though it would benefit most of them.)

          • Anonymous

            I believe this is a case where government intervention is required. Healthcare is an absolute ripoff. The government has laws in place for price gouging on say gasoline, heating oil, and commodities such as milk–so why is there not the same for medical care? We are currently being price gouged on all medical care, and yes there are many factors such as paying for the uninsured and people not paying bills, but is it so rampant that prices must increase to unbelievably high levels?

            Take a simple office visit with your doctor. Great, I have a $20 copay because I am insured. He checks my pulse, weight, looks me over with a few tools, asks me if I have any questions and in about 15 minutes I am on my way–spending more time in the waiting room than in front of an actual doctor. I get my benefits coverage message in the mail a month later from the insurance company and I see my copay of $20 and then they paid the difference…$180 for a whole 15 minutes of the doctor’s time. So that is free market? I have no decision on what the doctor gets to charge the insurance company. The “free market” exists between two entities that the consumer has absolutely no control or decision over–the insurance company and the doctor. That isn’t free market, its price gouging.

            If you want to see medical care for everyone, which I don’t necessarily disagree with though it is absolutely a socialist concept but at this point I’ve given up trying to argue against it, we need to first tackle the outrageous costs hospitals/doctors get to charge insurance companies for the most simple and not remotely costly procedures and practices.

          • In full agreement with you there.

            That was part of my own criticism of the Dems and their rush to push UHC without figuring all the logistics out – in many cases, they put the cart before the horse.

          • Anonymous

            Work for a living?
            OH THE HUMANITY.
            HOW ABSURD.

      • Anonymous

        So, instead of accepting that everyone across the board takes a paycut, it would be better to let the company close plants to stop the bleeding before all 18000+ workers are out of a job?

        • pbmann

          I’ll bet the CEO and upper management not only didn’t take a pay cut but got bigger bonuses, as well.

          • Anonymous

            http://www.humanresourcesjournal.com/2012/04/hostess-executives-take-pay-cuts/

            Four executives agreed to a $1 salary: chief financial officer John Stewart; head of operations Gary Wandschneider; head of human resources David Loeser and head of sales Richard Seban. 

          • Anonymous

            Although I find it comendable that the execs agreed to pay decreases I have to ask, didn’t they know their company was in trouble last year?  Why would they agree to pay hikes of up to 80% to some of their execs?  It is nice to know though that the execs are willing to work with the company.  Now if the employees can find some room in their hearts they might actually save most of the people’s jobs.

          • Yeah, I wouldn’t be giving them medals – sounds like a classic case of too little too late.

            I can’t find a record of what their previously salaries were, though I’m certain they were out of proportion to the apparent job they were doing.

          • Anonymous

            How much have they gotten over the years . they could do that an retired an still have plenty of money in the bank 

          • Anonymous

            Sounds like our Congress!

          • Anonymous

             That may well be so. But this is not a normal contact negotiation. This is a take the cuts or the doors close for good. If it was me I would rather take the cuts and look for a new job while I still have some income. The top union people will tell ya to fight till the bitter end and when the doors close you are out of work and these same top union people will take their pay checks and get transferred to another union shop somewhere else.

          • Anonymous

             Amazing how the CEO’S get vilified but union boss’s are great.

          • Anonymous

            yes you are so right it happens all the time  .

          • Anonymous

             Still on the man is the problem.Obama has trained his minions well.Mediocracy for all.

        • Anonymous

           Thats how you make democrat voters.

        • Anonymous

          OK what about the products they buy to make there product is that going down to plus shipping cost to get the product to the bakery  is that going down to plus other cost an taxes to  ?

      • Anonymous

         Nobody to blame but the bloated union contracts. Hostess is in financial trouble. People don’t eat as many Twinkies or buy Wonder bread like they used to. A more health

        conscious society along with many more bread options has steadily decreased Hostess’ volume and profits. Unfortunately those bloated Cadillac benefit and wage contracts that union leaders have negotiated will now work against the same workers they were to intended for. In the meantime, those same union bosses have nothing to worry about since they are already vested in their own Rolls Royce health care and retirement plans. With no thanks to those same workers that are now getting the shaft.  

        Get with it bakers, this is not GM and the government will not rescue Hostess for their Ho Ho’s. But maybe the Secret Service would(sic). The party is over for unions. The economy is stagnant and will continue to be for many more years and more and more companies can no longer sustain the over head. More will file bankruptcy and if they are lucky the court will allow them to restructure, any union contracts would be de-certified, and people can get back to work.

        • Anonymous

          You are right an they will get 7:50 an hr an no benefits either

          • Anonymous

             Their choice since there won’t be a job for them otherwise. This is going on all over the country. It would be in their very best interest to negotiate with Hostess to something BOTH can actually live with. Slight reduction in pay and benefits, or no job at all. If they continue what they are doing, the workers lose everything.

      • Anonymous

        Well then it would be up to the individual to be responsible for their own well-being, imagine that!  You know what you do in that situation?  Figure out a way to take out something small, $10-$20 a week, it doesn’t have to be big–give up the morning coffee, a 6 pack of beer, that extra snack that you think you need when buying groceries.  Invest that money into a mutual fund, have it automatically withdrawn out of your paycheck before you even see it.  Before you know it, you will have a nice nest egg when you go to retire.  Not off the taxpayers, not off some bloated destined-to-fail program, but your own money that you saved up because you were a responsible person.  It doesn’t take much to save up for your retirement.  Stop expecting me and everyone else to pay for you to sit on your butt at 65 because you think you deserve it.  You don’t.  Nobody does.  I don’t care how long, how hard you worked through your life or what hard times you think you went through.  You are no different than anyone else, we all go through life.  So rather then whine, complain, and demand assistance thinking you deserve it because you worked hard…stop.  Stop buying just 1 or 2 pointless things that you do in a week, and we all do, and instead save it.  And for once in your life, take responsibility for yourself and use your brain.  I know when I retire, social security will not exist.  I am not going to rely on my company to always put money into a retirement program for me…so I take matters into my own hands and save a little every week and stick it away in an investment.  Now I know when I retire, its not a gamble.  I just wish others would use their brains and do the same thing.  Its not hard.  Stop expecting everyone else to take care of you.

        • Anonymous

          There would be plenty of money in SS if the Government had not raided the account 4 times over the years an gave SS worthless IOU’s

    • Anonymous

      Ding-Dongs are everywhere.

  • Anonymous

    Glad to see the country got better!  Good job liberals!

  • Anonymous

    I read this a few months back when I read an article about them cutting Twinkies out of their product line..

    (ATTEMPTING HUMOR) They say a Twinkie can last forever because it has so many preservatives. So my parents conducted a test, they wanted to see if they could preserve me and keep me healthy.. I ate one a day for three of the first ten years of my life.. During the next five years I had 2 a day. The next years are a real blur  cause I wound up with diabetes, Cholesterol, high blood pressure, and a bad heart, I am loosing weight now, that I quit eating them..  I now weigh only 500 pounds.. No way am I gonna live forever though. And no way do Twinkies not go bad either, cause I found one under my old bed when it collapsed, and it was green and fuzzy..

    I can’t remember where I read this or, the author of the article in which I stole this little tidbit from, but I thought it was funny.. I know I read it somewhere when they said something about cutting Twinkies out of their product line.. I also apologize if I butchered this tidbit cause man that was a long time ago when I read it..

    • Anonymous

      There is a Twinkie nailed to the wall in the Glenburn School’s multi-age classroom. It has been there 18 years.
      I wonder if there are any Twinkies any older than this.
      I’m thinking Guinness World Record for the school.

      • Anonymous

        “I wonder if there are any Twinkies any older than this.”
        Yeah, the Twinkie in the White House is 51.

        • Anonymous

           Now THAT’S funny, and true.

        • Anonymous

          Perfect.

    • My pops is a salt fanatic, says he’ll be better preserved than a mummy when he kicks the bucket. (67 and no high blood pressure…yet)

    • Anonymous

      One of my high school science teachers had a Twinkie on the top lip of the chalkboard – he claims that he had it for 15 years or so and this was back in 1992. It looked the same as if it just came out of the package. I’m not sure if he was actually telling us the truth about its age or not, but it was a nice reminder of what preservatives can do to artificial food – pretty gross stuff that we put into our bodies, huh?! btw: McDonald’s fries don’t go bad either… yuck!

  • Anonymous

    Could someone please explain to me what benefit they will be getting by striking?  1.  They aren’t eligible for unemployment so instead of taking a pay cut and still bringing home some money while looking for more work they are bringing home none.  2. By strking they are putting their livelihood and the livelihood of others at risk.  I don’t understand.  I don’t know anything about working under a union contract but it just seems detrimental to all parties to strike.

    • Usually short term loss, long term gain. Though sounds like it could be short term loss, long term, even bigger loss. Strikes are in the timing. This timing is bad.

  • Anonymous

    Hostess ………………………….. guess those striking workers are better off then you thought, might as well shut down, apparently they don’t need those jobs, at least by their Union’s thinking.

    Just think how much healthier we will be without Twinkies, Ding Dongs, etc. Thank You, The Bakery, Confectionery, Tobacco Workers and Grain Millers International Union.

  • Anonymous

    Well unions was great at one time,but not so good now
    A Ge Emd locomotive plant owned by Catapillar shut down and closed in London,Ontario,Canada
    A Ford plant in the same town did the same,all because of workers striking.
    Now if Hostess dries up,just where do they think they will work?
    Where are there over 18000 bakery jobs?

    • Anonymous

      Bimbo Bakeries.  A giant conglomerate of a bakery out of Mexico of all places.  Or, Obama will give the big bailout on the backs of the taxpayers again all in the name of saving Twinkies.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t think the company is bluffing.  These workers might want to go back to work while trying to find some other job at the same time.   It’s easier to find a job when you are employed.

  • Anonymous

    If you want to support the union go out and buy a box of Twinkies or Ding Dongs if everyone did then the cuts the union has to accept wouldn’t have happened..

    Chances are good you would not follow my advice and support your union brothers and sisters…… Because you and I know that stuff is crap and no one really wants it. You don’t suppose that is the the problem to begin with.

    • Anonymous

      A 27 – 32% cut is pretty draconian. If they are like most Americans, they probably haven’t seen a raise in a while as well. I think the unions should be negotiating and not striking on this one. The company sounds like they are on the ropes. Maybe they could arrive at an agreement where the workers could see some reward if the company were to get back on it’s feet again, assuming they agreed to make a sacrifice now. I have to wonder if management has offered to slash it’s pay and benefits by one third as well? How about the owners? Have they tightened their belts yet?

      • They tried to…but couldn’t.  :D

      • Anonymous

        Good questions and very good suggestions.  I would like to know that too.  It just seems to me it is in everyone’s best interest to work together for the good of all.

      • Anonymous

        The years of Union mafia strangling this company has finally come to the end…..theres your story…..and of course, which company will choose to close rather than give unheard of benefits that non-union businesses would never give thier employess…because they know it is business-cide…

        • Anonymous

          Private union membership is down to 7% in America and falling. We are definitely heading back towards the sweatshop mentality these days. Something tells me that you are excited about this prospect.

      • Anonymous

         I don’t know specifics of course. I do know that Americans have different eating habits than they did when companies like this was making money hand over fist in the sixties.

        One side bar. Companies like this did very well when the first stimulus money came out.  The money that went to low incomes Americans was spent on immediate gratification  items like this product.

        • Anonymous

           Citation please.

  • Anonymous

    No one ever likes to see folks out of work, but even if they do go out of business fear not because most of these products have a half life of 99 years which means their DooDahs will be available for years to come. 

  • Ben Hutchins

    Well, there’s sensible behavior.  “Hey, our company’s down on the ground gasping its last.  Let’s all line up and kick it a few times.  That will surely help.”

    • Anonymous

      See, I may be wrong but that’s the way I see it too.  Wouldn’t it make more sense to help the company survive and then renegotiate?

      • Anonymous

        I know.. You would think so….

    • Anonymous

      The company saw it coming why did they wait so long so they could put the works up agence the wall  ? So thats poor management

  • Anonymous

    I belonged to a Union once that was given a choice – take a cut in pay or agree to layoffs.  They went for the layoffs.   The all for one mentality stops at the pocketbook.   No one in Union management got laid off though.    

    Tough time to be out of work.

  • Anonymous

    Germany has a trade surplus, not a massive deficit like us. Germans also buy German. We buy Chinese. 

  • Anonymous

    …”any union contracts would be de-certified, and people can get back to work.” For minimum wage.

    • Anonymous

      an you forgot  no benefits too

  • So let me get this straight people from Maine are travelling somewhere to protest about food…… 

    • Anonymous

      The Wonder of it all

    • Anonymous

      I know…..They should be fired….

  • Anonymous

    Germany has a trade SURPLUS, not a massive trade DEFICIT like we do. Germans also buy German. We buy Chinese.

  • Anonymous

    How in the hell do you lose money selling Twinkies? Maybe Hostess needs new management, then the workers would not be shouldering the load, again.

    • Anonymous

      When they have to pay their workers high wages they cant keep the price down, people whine because the cost is too high for the twinkies….. Just a circle..

      • Anonymous

        I doubt the wages are that high when compared to the cost of living in 2012 America. You can buy a box of Twinkies anywhere for a buck. The sign in the picture says 50% off. I’d say the Twinkies might be too cheap. Your right, it is a circle. A downward spiraling one at that.

    • Anonymous

      Got a fix.Give twinkies to all the entitlement crowd.Hostess comes out of bankruptcy and the liberals get to waste money .everyone wins.

      • Anonymous

        You are engaged in what is called partisan bickering timjy. Both parties are guilty of driving our economy into the ditch. The sooner you realize this, the sooner you will start to offer solutions instead of more partisan rhetoric. 

    • Anonymous

      This is some thing that did not happen over night its been going on for many years what did the company do to fix it  ?

  • Bob Conti

    Philly’s Tasty Kakes beat out Hostess any day of the week.

  • Anonymous

    To hell with the union. Decertify the union, hire non union workers, who would be grateful for a job, and carry on the rebuilding. And if Maine union members are foolish enough to side with the PA union, to bad….go see the chaplain, get your TS card punched.

  • Anonymous

    I haven’t eaten any of their products in years, probably the early eighties.  I eat plenty of garbage like it but it tends to be higher end garbage that has become a lot cheaper over the years.

    These are brands from the 60’s.

  • Anonymous

    OK, I will ask the important question: 
    How much does a production line worker make per hour at this plant?
    And benefits include …….  ????
         So the bottom line is  ???
    A lot more valuable info to put it all in perspective , rather  than shelf life
     of Twinkies , as enthralling as it may be.

  • Anonymous

    Twinkie free since ’93!

  • jdtex

    Unions are formed of people who are jealous of others’ success and can’t get through life without someone holding their hand.  They are dumb enough to bite the hand that feeds them.  That’s what an 8th grade education and lack of motivation will do.  Fire them and hire replacements – they can’t be worse than the union lazy butts! 

    • Anonymous

      An then they all go on the state  great  i like that idea

    • Anonymous

      If that true then how come at BIW we got the ships under cost an a head of time  plus we got bonuses . You do not get that by being lazy  .

      • Anonymous

        Makes you wonder if  Cianbro had those contracts just what would happen.

        • Anonymous

          I don’t think they would want to build ships because all the regulation they would half to go thru an they could not take any short cuts  .  Because the workers know the rules an they would call the navy an let them know whats going on .

  • Anonymous

    They should all be fired and then minimum wage part time employees should be hired. Then with the taxes collected on profits, through sale taxes and income taxes, we should pay for their grocery bills with food stamps and subsidized their health insurance. 

    Hey! What if we had employers who weren’t deadbeats and actually paid their employees decently? Maybe we wouldn’t need all this entitlement spending! 

    • Anonymous

      How would dems get votes if they could not buy them? The whole system would crash if dems could not waste taxpayer money.

      • Anonymous

        So the way you are talking only union voted for obama  ?

    • Anonymous

       The workers believe that the company is going to close anyway, and that this is a last ditch effort on the company’s part to get out of their pension and benefits obligations before they file for bankruptcy AGAIN.  Long history of mismanagement and bankruptcies.  They are over $800 million in debt.  They will never sell that many Twinkies! 
      http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/hostess_filing_in_mix_PbYFRcu6zEHZw4NM0RAyVM

      • Anonymous

        you are so right   .

  • Anonymous

     Several dozen workers from Maine have joined hundreds of workers at a
    Hostess plant in northeast Philadelphia who walked off the job in honor
    of a bakers’ union strike at the BANKRUPT company’s plants across the
    country.  get it BANKRUPT!!!!!!! Take a 8 % cut or 18,300 lose their job and America loses the twinkie.Where has all the common sense gone.Thank you Obama!

    • Anonymous

      That’s right, everything is Obama’s fault! That’s how personal responsibility works, right?

      • Anonymous

        Ya just like Obama and Benghazi .Let’s see so far 4 gone a secretary of state fell on her sword.Susan Rice to blame for the message.Now the cia and betreaus outed for cover after the election.Ya got to love that responsibility.They all learn from the leader.Must say after all this lying and cover It seems to be a pattern.maybe it is time to revisit just who got thrown off the boat.Was it really Bin Laden? HMMMM

        • Anonymous

          HOW IS THIS RELATED TO BENGHAZI?! ANSWER: IT’S NOT. 

          Get over your irrational disdain for the President. Not everything is his fault. 

    • Anonymous

      You benefit from the union to so don’t knocket

      • Anonymous

        please tell me how owning my own company makes me benefit from paying some rich guy to save my job.

        • Anonymous

          Stop an think  because  a company wants to keep there employes so they had to raise pay an give benefits or they would leave  company a to go to work for company  b.  96% of the time the company a has to spend money to train a new person every time some leaves

  • Anonymous

    JUST FIVE THINGS FOR WHICH AMERICANS CAN THANK THE UNIONS:1. Unions Gave Us The Weekend: Even the ultra-conservative Mises Institute notes that the relatively labor-free 1870, the average workweek for most Americans was 61 hours — almost double what most Americans work now. Yet in the late nineteenth century and the twentieth century, labor unions engaged in massive strikes in order to demand shorter workweeks so that Americans could be home with their loved ones instead of constantly toiling for their employers with no leisure time. By 1937, these labor actions created enough political momentum to pass the Fair Labor Standards Act, which helped create a federal framework for a shorter workweek that included room for leisure time. 2. Unions Gave Us Fair Wages And Relative Income Equality: As ThinkProgress reported earlier in the week, the relative decline of unions over the past 35 years has mirrored a decline in the middle class’s share of national income. It is also true that at the time when most Americans belonged to a union — a period of time between the 1940′s and 1950′s — income inequality in the U.S. was at its lowest point in the history of the country. 3. Unions Helped End Child Labor: “Union organizing and child labor reform were often intertwined” in U.S. history, with organization’s like the “National Consumers’ League” and the National Child Labor Committee” working together in the early 20th century to ban child labor. The very first American Federation of Labor (AFL) national convention passed “a resolution calling on states to ban children under 14 from all gainful employment” in 1881, and soon after states across the country adopted similar recommendations, leading up to the 1938 Fair Labor Standards Act which regulated child labor on the federal level for the first time.4. Unions Won Widespread Employer-Based Health Coverage: “The rise of unions in the 1930′s and 1940′s led to the first great expansion of health care” for all Americans, as labor unions banded workers together to negotiate for health coverage plans from employers. In 1942, “the US set up a National War Labor Board. It had the power to set a cap on all wage increases. But it let employers circumvent the cap by offering “fringe benefits” – notably, health insurance.” By 1950, “half of all companies with fewer than 250 workers and two-thirds of all companies with more than 250 workers offered health insurance of one kind or another.”5. Unions Spearheaded The Fight For The Family And Medical Leave Act: Labor unions like the AFL-CIO federation led the fight for this 1993 law, which “requires state agencies and private employers with more than 50 employees to provide up to 12 weeks of job-protected unpaid leave annually for workers to care for a newborn, newly adopted child, seriously ill family member or for the worker’s own illness

    • Anonymous

      Unions served a purpose, but are no longer needed withe the laws we have today on the books….. Unions are for themselves…

      • Anonymous

        OK you get rid of the unions an the unions will take away every thing that they have gotten for all the people  even nonunion people have benefied for the union.

        • Anonymous

          The unions cant take away from the workers..

          • Anonymous

            well they should be able to they were the ones that got all the bebefits for both union an nonunion workers

      • Anonymous

        Private union membership is down to 7% in America and falling. No coincidence that the wages are sinking faster than the Titanic at the same time. Unions are still needed to help keep wages up. Without them people could end up working for a ridiculously low wage, like say, $7.50 an hour. They could also end up only being able to work, say, 35 hours a week. They could also see all their healthcare and retirement benefits go the way of the disco ball. Hey, you laugh, but this could happen…

      • Anonymous

        Who do you think got those laws on the books  ? If DC had there way you would be working like they do in 1920 

    • Anonymous

      ” It is also true that at the time when most Americans belonged to a union
      — a period of time between the 1940′s and 1950′s — income inequality in
      the U.S. was at its lowest point in the history of the country”

      This is true only because there was strong economy. High union wages are a byproduct of a strong economy not the cause of one.

      Just jump back into the thirties when unions were organizing… The result was that union employees average wage rose. Everyone elses average wage declined.

  • Anonymous

    Go ahead, there are plenty of people who will take your place….

  • Anonymous

    Did you know that labor unions made the following 36 things possible?

    Weekends without workAll breaks at work, including your lunch breaksPaid vacationFamily & Medical Leave Act (FMLA)Sick leaveSocial SecurityMinimum wageCivil Rights Act/Title VII – prohibits employer discrimination8-hour work dayOvertime payChild labor lawsOccupational Safety & Health Act (OSHA)40-hour work weekWorkers’ compensation (workers’ comp)Unemployment insurancePensionsWorkplace safety standards and regulationsEmployer health care insuranceCollective bargaining rights for employeesWrongful termination lawsAge Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967 (ADEA)Whistleblower protection lawsEmployee Polygraph Protection Act (EPPA) – prohibits employers from using a lie detector test on an employeeVeteran’s Employment and Training Services (VETS)Compensation increases and evaluations (i.e. raises)Sexual harassment lawsAmericans With Disabilities Act (ADA)Holiday payEmployer dental, life, and vision insurancePrivacy rightsPregnancy and parental leaveMilitary leaveThe right to strikePublic education for childrenEqual Pay Acts of 1963 & 2011 – requires employers pay men and women equally for the same amount of workLaws ending sweatshops in the United States

    • Might want to amend that to “helped make the following 36 things possible”. I’m all for giving credit where credit is due, though let’s not get carried away.

  • Anonymous

    I think the best thing that the company can do it to fold.. yep pack it up and sell it off.. Just another unionized company going out of business.. The union is bankrupting this company.. Maybe some of the employees can buy a factory and hire only union workers to run it into the ground for them. You know like GM. GM has never paid back one red dime. They borrowed from a different branch of government to pay back the loan. LOL!!!. Comming up soon the union run GM company is going to fold.. Their pride and joy the failed peice of crap Volt is drowning them in debt..LOL!!!

    • Anonymous

      Ok is the price of the produce coming down that they use to make there product  with  ? Are other cost coming down to that effects the making of there product  ?

  • PabMainer

    It’s a sad day in America when the fate of the Twinkie hangs in the balance…..long live the Golden Sponge Cake!

  • Anonymous

    Hostess has a dismal history of mismanagement, multiple bankruptcies, and of asking more and more concessions from its workers.  
    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/hostess_filing_in_mix_PbYFRcu6zEHZw4NM0RAyVM

    • Anonymous

      Yes you are right but every one wants to blame the union .

      • Anonymous

        That’s because they are misinformed! They shoot from the hip. They don’t care about people, they only care about their l’il soapbox. The workers on strike are the ones who care.

  • B

    I work in a bakery.I don’t make a lot of money but i’m happy to have a job in these tough times.If our bakery was unionized I honestly believe we could not compete and I would be unemployed.

  • Anonymous

    Hostess is having such financial problems that many of the employees want the company to liquidate and sell off their brands and work for a new company.  I don’t know any other bread /cake company that would buy the Hostess, Wonder, or JJ Nissen brands and all their debt.  You also won’t find any other bread/cake company that would hire an ex Hostess union employee.  You mention “union” around these companies and you are put on a watch list.

  • Anonymous

    Just a case of the unions putting out of business another American icon.

    • Anonymous

      Not at BIW .

  • go ahead and strike. I just found out that my “union” job is going away. all is fair in love and war, maybe employment too. When you get back , don’t be surprised if you find that I now have your job.
    I found out the hard way that the union that you pay to work for wont really have your back. All they really want is your money. Big money is what runs this country and world for that matter.
    Unions are the same. they take your money, promise you this and that, but when you get the boot, for no reason of yours, they are gone. Good luck with your strike. I need a job, So thanks

  • Eric Jackson

    I’ll take a whoopie pie by Steve’s over anything with the Hostess label on it. Forget union vs. company, just make better product if you want to thrive.

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