Comments for: Will Election Day 2014 become Maine’s next independents’ day?

Posted Nov. 09, 2012, at 3:43 p.m.
Last modified Nov. 09, 2012, at 4:26 p.m.

AUGUSTA | Maine elected an independent governor, James Longley, in 1974. The state’s voters did so again in 1994, electing Angus King. Will the 2014 gubernatorial election extend that 20-year pattern? More than the 20-year cycle is repeating itself. The party makeup in the State House is aligning the …

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  • Anonymous

    Elliot Cutler will devide the state even more if elected, the common man cannot relate to him, as he has never been in the common man’s shoes. We need some one that can relate to ALL Maine people.

  • Anonymous

    It is not, in the least, a independent or any other party, but, one to leave our programs in place, and find a way to pay for them.

  • Anonymous

    With the election of Angus King, I think that it has pretty much been confirmed that Democrats, 

    Republicans, and independents are all part of the same corporate party.

    • Anonymous

       odd being  a sucessful businessman is laudable ….when you are an R and running  for office.

  • Anonymous

    Interesting and thoughtful piece ,although I do not agree with all of the conclusions or predictions .  Good trip down political memory lane. I agree with the summation of the reaction to the  Mc Kernan era. It was another time that leaders were out of touch and disregarded and  ticked off voters  and abused their power.

     When one believes in representative government;  one must be sure they are actually  “representing” the people’s best interest and  not their own, nor special interest’s.. ..other wise they will hear loudly and clearly  from  voters, As both McKernana and  NOW Lepage  did

    When leaders are messing with things that have a direct impact on voters lives,  they pay attention–whether it is  education, abortion , birth control, workers comp, pensions, medicaid.

    Despite  all the noise and rumors to the contrary,  increased taxes is far back on people’s  list of things most voters worry about ( so long as they do not go hog wild–everything goes up over time,  INCLUDING taxes).

     Most people  EXPECT  to pay taxes for services rendered and expect to get their money’s worth  for roads, education etc.  MOST voter understand  that  collectively paying for services ( instead of individaully) is  the most efficient way to deliver those services — few want to pay to build theior OWN roads, educate their OWN children, to hire their own security guard etc —- out of their OWN pocket .

    What IS the purpose of Government ???  Some believe  it has no function and  want to completely  eliminate it . They think we should return to the days of the wild wild west  and have an idealized and unrealistic  “view’ of unfettered “freedom” and liberty –most disagree.

    MOST understand that  in a  well functioning society,  some regulation is always going to be necesaary  and required  to place restraints upon man’s  less moral instincts.  The 10 commandment are nothing but “regulation”.

    • Anonymous

      Good one! Not foolish at all.

      • Anonymous

        I  adopted the name “pretty foolish” the day after  election 2010 when Lepage and R were elected into power .It was a comnmentary on  the out come  .perhaps the new name should be “foolish-no-more”?or “fool me once ”

  • Matthew Desmond

    What this state needs is a good 20 years of GOOD people in office from ALL parties.  I would prefer it to be completely Republican controlled, but anyone that is fiscally conservative will do. 

  • Anonymous

    I am looking at the chart…Forgive me I like charts and graphs but for some reason it looks like the total number of enrolled voters declined between 2010 and 2012. Or even 2008. No grand totals so I can’t tell by how many. Never the less it looks like even in Maine we are running out of white people. Explains why Democrats did so well. 

    • Anonymous

      Are you the same Cheesecake who took umbrage the other day when I mentioned that Republican leaders have become aware that their “base” of aging white men is dwindling, and that’s why they’re not doing so well? 

      I think the word “racism” might even have been used by that Cheesecake…  ;-)

      • Anonymous

         There is a difference when mentioning race in reference to statistics and demographics and using it in reference to “angry white men.”

        • Anonymous

          I wrote “aging.” You wrote “angry.”

      • Anonymous

        I hope they have noticed this at last.  The GOP leadership is acting like the sun went down and are wondering why it’s dark.

  • Anonymous

    This is a solid and wise analysis, grounded in history.  All evidence points to Paul LePage being unable to rise above pettiness and name-calling.  It is up to the Democrats to deal with this bully in a way that preserves their dignity and appeals to the populace.

    • StillRelaxin

      Democrats won’t have to go it alone.  I think now that the elections have shown that the general population rejects LePage/Tea Party thinking (Call “that” anything you like) we’ll slowly start seeing more reasonable republicans attempting to deal with the LePage problem as well. Senator Katz of Augusta and Rep. Patrick Flood of Winthrop both have already  shown real leadership in this area.  We only need more to follow to keep Maine and Mainer’s safe until the 2014 elections.

      • Anonymous

         As long as ignorant, arrogant folks like Alfond and Berry, who for some unexplained reason are allowed to be mouthpieces for Maine’s Dems, are allowed to butt heads with the buffoon LePage nothing is going to get done that benefits the citizens of Maine. I’ve yet to see any senate Dem that is willing to put the well being of Maine citizens ahead of party politics but fortunately the House has Cain who seems to be more interested in solving problems than party ideology. If Dems want to hold on to their majority in 2014 they might do well to kick folks like Alfond and Berry to the curb and follow Cain’s lead.

      • Anonymous
      • Anonymous

         When will we EVER see a “reasonable democrat”???

        Seems to em the only republicans you Leftist like is one that caves on his values and supports every liberal wet dream you guys come up with!

        Bipartisanship means republicans always cave!

        • StillRelaxin

          I think you’ve touched precisely upon the major problem between the parties. That’s the tendency of many on both sides to attempt (as you have here) to paint the other as crazy people who can’t be reasoned with. Both sides will always have to give to make progress. At the moment the public is telling the GOP/Tea Party to “give” a little more or face even more harsh consequences in 2014. I’m not sure I’ve seen “the party of no” cave for the past four years but I think it’s pretty clear that the majority of Americans would like them to stop doing what they’ve been doing…or should I say not been doing??? At the moment I don’t think I care what the GOP/Tea Party does. They’re so weakened now it probably doesn’t matter. If they stay on the same track they’ve been on, oh well, elections do seem to have their consequences.

          • Anonymous

            Another dynamic to the situation, as evidenced by the travesty Tuesday last, is that the dems have successfully  erased a balanced 2 party system. Ethics be damned, by promising more & more free stuff to illegals, chronic welfarers, unions & other takers, the dems have enlisted millions more voters than have repubs. The one party system the dems have created by enabling the takers has not served anyone’s interest, because it can’t. Be careful what you wish for, your one party system is not the answer.

          • StillRelaxin

            Please try to keep in mind that when you say “Democrats have created an unbalance in government” you’re actually referring to the “electorate/citizens” of Maine and the Nation. Most everything else you present is referencing all the extreme/bad policies promoted by many of the leaders of the GOP/Tea Party. All of which was pretty clearly JUST rejected by the majority of the voters. My advice, if you’ll take it is to try and modify what your pushing to be just a tad bit more appealing to a nation that as a whole seems to believe that “people” really do mean more than self.

    • jdtex

      You are doing just what you accuse the governor of!  Maybe a little proof-reading next time would be in order!  I guess the pain of losing that election is too much for libs – they are all still crying. 

  • Anonymous

    This past election proves Maine people are led easily.. How can we expect anyone to deal with real issues when the passion of the voters is social issues.. uneducated voters needs to be addressed. If you haven’t read the constitution of the united states and passed a test about it, you should not be able to vote. Plain and simple. uneducated voters is being polite.

    • Anonymous

       Though I understand your sentiment, I respectfully disagree. People have a right to be ignorant, not understand the process or the issues or simply react from their gut or even vote because they like a persons name. There have been societies that have tried to adjust people thinking patterns. Those usually end up with reeducation camps.

    • Anonymous

      Interesting.  You do do realize that every naturalized citizen would automatically be able to vote, right?

  • Anonymous

    Because the caucuses punish their maverick members who think critically and act independently I do not think they will ever be able to overcome a strong Independent candidate. I for one want to see the power of the caucus diminished and will vote Independent whenever such a candidate speaks to my concerns and displays the character needed to represent the best of Maine.

  • jdtex

    We can all chip in and buy Angus a wall charger for his Scooter as he tools around DC.  The poor old feller was born before WW II. You Mainers really like new ideas, digging out a playbook from 20 ears ago.  He still has the same 1970s mustache!

    • 1970s mustache?
      Now “Thats” a real reason to trash someones ability !!!

  • Anonymous

    A budget bill can be passed with a simple majority, provided it is enacted 90 days prior to the beginning of the 2014 fiscal year. So Democrats can pass a budget with a simple majority vote if done so prior to 1 April; after that, in order for it to take effect in time, a budget would have to be an emergency bill, requiring a 2/3 majority.

  • Anonymous

    No doubt about it, Maine is a VERY Democrat state. Sure, we talk a big line about ‘Yankee ingenuity’, self-sufficiency, fiscal responsibility and the like, but when it comes right down to it, we’re just another welfare state full of those that would rather take than earn. It’s impossible for anyone talking personal responsibility to make headway against the promise of free everything.

    Maine is also a state grounded in hate – hatred of anything and everyone that doesn’t tote the Liberal, far-Left line. That is why Maine will never be anything more than it is now, just another two-bit state, a follower never a leader.

    Sad but true! Just a quick read of the comments on any subject here proves that out.

    • JohnR

       You’re right we have a two bit dictator as Gubor now, but don’t worry we will be dumping him in favor of progress in the near future. My guess, he will quit and flee to Florida, like a spoiled brat that can’t get his own way.

  • JohnR

    Longley was an arse. I was going to U of M  at the time of his administration, he cut, cut, cut until we had no chairs left in the classrooms and the sizes of the classes were consolidated and overflowed the room so students were forced to sit out on the floor in the hall with the door open so they could hear the lectures. Yeah we don’t need to go back to that mentality.

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