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  • Anonymous

    No it just goes to show, Democrats are back to spend, spend, spend when no money is available. Just want the Federal levels. I think the Democrats are digging a whole to China, well it won’t be much longer.

    • Anonymous

       It was approved by 60% of the electorate.  It wasn’t just Democrats that approved this. 

      I LOVE it when conservatives spout off, because all it does is ensure that Dems will continue to grow their numbers in Maine and around the country….

      • Anonymous

        good luck with that. When super inflation hits this comming year, you won’t be a liberal anymore.. and by the way there is a big difference between me being a democrat and you being a liberal.

    • Anonymous

      The bonds were proposed when both the House and Senate were controlled by the GOP.

      Perhaps the educational purpose of the bonds is misguided, though.  When someone posts “digging a whole to China”, I wonder if the emphasis on STEM (science, technology, engineering, mathematics) should be shifted to PET (proof-reading, English, typing).

    • Anonymous

      Oh what goofy non-reality foolishness.  Boy, you people really worship at the toenails of RushLimpMind and FAKE News talking LIES don’t you.  First, these bonds were overwhelmingly passed by Democrats, Independents, AND some Republican voters.  So go ahead and bash the people of Maine. THAT is why your losses at the polls have only just begun. Next, these bonds have great matching funds and interest rates.  There are longterm economic returns and lots of job creation that we need right now.  You TeaRadicals are the ones who EXPLODED the national debt, flattened wages, offshored manufaturing, and crashed the economy.  You people don’t know the first thing about economics and sound fiscal management.  You never saw an ultrabloated military appropriation you didn’t love, you dance for joy every time an American plant is sent overseas, you smooch the stinking toenails of your oil company masters as you lather them with tax subsidies, and you can’t be trusted to manage the budget of an ice cream stand.  So go on with your HeadRush LimpMind idiocy.  You LOST these votes, you LOST the election in Maine and Nationally, and, so, you are LOSERS.  And you are so trapped inside your right wing propaganda nonsense that you simply refuse to see reality and learn the lesson from the serious SPANKIING that you just received at the hands of the voters.

      • Anonymous

        spanking you call,what was it 2% victorya spanking lol. You really do live in a dream world. Look at Maine’s money problems.  Tell that the the coal miners that are getting laid off because of Liberal policies. Obama has been in office 4 years, and it has just gotten worse. I guess we will see how he starts out. Unlike you I do not listen to Rush, nor any talk host on either side.

  • Katie Bradshaw

    Yeah, a big thank you to Maine from a UMO student who will probably be leaving the state after I get my degree.

    • Anonymous

      Bye-Bye. I didn’t get the corporate welfare I wanted either..

      • Anonymous

        Do you drive on our roads?  Then, yeah, you get welfare.  So shove it.

        • Anonymous

          If we privatized all the roads, you’d throw a hissy-fit temper tantrum…

          you’ve effectively shoved it on everyone else, you pansy

          • Anonymous

            ALL the TeaBabyTeaWhiners know how to do is throw hissy fits.  They blather on with their RushLimpMind talking points but they love THEIR Social Security, and THEIR Medicare, and THEIR public schools, and THEIR public roads, and THEIR public parks, and THEIR public safety, and THEIR public bloated military, and on and on and on.  The TeaWHINERS are the biggest “SOCIALISTS” of all, and underneath all their silly idiotic rhetoric, they darn well know it.

          • Anonymous

            “…silly, idiotic rhetoric”, huh? Look in the mirror, because you’ve spouted more silly, idiotic rhetoric here than anyone. Grow up.

        • Anonymous

          If one is using fuel in their vehicle that they drive on the roads then they pay fuel tax that pays for roads. 

          • Anonymous

            The fuel tax remains constant even as fuel prices and inflation in general go up.  Fuel taxes do not cover the necessary funding for roads.

        • Anonymous

          paying 50 cents for every gallon of fuel I buy and license , excise, and registration fee is NOT welfare.  get a clue.

          A passenger car does almost no damage to highways.  in fact the passenger car can use the highways for one hundred yeard (acording to AAA) and do less damage to the roads than one school bus does in a day.

          If welfare is going in any direction on the roads, I’m paying it out, not getting it’s benefit.

          • Anonymous

             The passenger car does use capacity, however.  The “bandwidth” gets low sometimes.  So the car driver pays, as s/he should.

            The gas tax is really a use fee for renting the use of the road.  You rent the road for approximately $1.25 per hour.  That is a very inexpensive rental – don’t ask for that rate for a lane at the local bowling alley.

      • Anonymous

        Yeah, but your oil company masters whose toenails you love to smooch certainly get them, and you dance for joy every time they do.  You TeaPubs are really something.  So much blather.  So little sense.

      • Anonymous

        Relevance?

    • Anonymous

      Try this out before you go or whereever you go…it’s a virtual job fair for Canada…hey, we’re neighbors so give it a shot unless you want to learn Chinese..

      http://www.canadiantechjobsplus.com/

    • Anonymous

      Well, it isn’t like the state really needs a lot of ‘Women’s Studies’ majors anyway.

  • Anonymous

    This paper has never seen a single bond issue it didn’t fully support. 

    You idiots:  The economy is bad, we are passing our bills on to our children and grandchildren.  Get some kuhuna’s and advocate a tax to pay for this “necessary spending” or simply admit that the “necessary spending” will have to wait.

    • Anonymous

      good lord man, you actually think your fellow ‘Americans’ have ‘kuhuna’s’?

      the artifact of the massive debt that trails in the wake of their collective vote speaks otherwise

      • Anonymous

        Exactly.  Try cutting entitlements–the only way to ever balance the budget–and see how brave the electorate is.

    • Anonymous

      First, the interest rates are great and all the bonds that passed have terrific matching funds deals.  It would be foolish not to implement them, and your boy the LeBUFFOON better do so or his fate and even more of your party will be DOOMED in 2014.  These are terrific investments that will create many jobs NOW.  So go ahead and bash the good people of Maine if you must.  You are just further isolating yourself in TeaVille Non-Reality Land.  It is amazing that the TeaBabies are so trapped in their FAKE-NOISE Tea-Republic bubble that they can not fathom any sense of reality.  They all have right wing propaganda-saturated brains.  And you blather your non-credible nonsense about fiscal discipline when it was YOUR party that EXPLODED the debt, squandered the Clinton surplus, offshored the manufacturing base,  and crashed the economy.  I wouldn’t trust a TeaPublican to manage the budget of a child’s lemonade stand.

      • Anonymous

         Another poster said it best, “Investment” is liberal-speak for spending.

        • Anonymous

          As a business person, you should know otherwise.

        • Do you think that Governor LePage in his days as CEO of Marden’s ever approved of Marden’s borrowing money to help the business grow?  I know Marden’s mantra was buy cheap and sell cheap and that probably included buying property that another business had moved out of.  But I doubt that Marden’s relied entirely its own resources to buy and expand.  I’m certain that Governor LePage in his private sector role understood the importance of investment.  I’m also certain that he understood leverage, using someone else’s money to make money. 

          • Anonymous

            “Borrowing” money is all about balance.  You do not “borrow” if the expected income will not justify the loan.

            In government the only “income” is from taxpayers.  “Expanding the income” means either raising taxes, or selling off government owned property. 

            Here’s the difference.  Mardens actually makes money.  The government just spends it.

      • Anonymous

        Which party is “Mine”
         
        That is the trouble with all you college educated “smart guys” you think you know everything.
         
        I considered the Tea party, but in my life I also supported S.D.S., Ross Perot, Mike Dukakis and George McGovern. 
         
        I’m not much of a joiner, and it will probably supprise you to know that I voted for Obama.  I probably would have voted For Newt, if he had won the primary, but definately NOT Rick Santorum or Herman Caine. 
         
        The Republicans are to “goddy” for this atheist, and the Democrats are to spendy for this fiscal conservative, so I vote for divided govenment.

      • Anonymous

        even when you make some sense and i come close to agreeing with some of what you say,your childish name calling dulls any impact your statements might have. and btw, the offshoring of jobs in still moving right along under the obama administration. 7 out of 10 GM cars are built outside of the U.S. and G.M. has plans to open more plants in china and moving R&D over there also. your side is hardly blameless in this mess we are all in

  • Anonymous

    Maybe the people have finally figured out that no matter how much we “invest” in education that the liberals in the ivory towers turn into free market capitalists when it come to the cost of education.  They charge whatever the market will bear and the “investment” does nothing to make college more affordable.  In fact it does just the opposite and makes it less so.

    • Anonymous

      If you give one (1) person a $5000 voucher to buy a car, that person will be
      able to buy a car for $5k less out of pocket than he would be able to without
      the voucher. But if you give EVERYONE a $5k voucher to buy a car, all of
      sellers of cars will raise their prices by $5k so that THEY will get the money
      while the voucher recipients get the same car for the same out of pocket money.
      And if, instead of a $5k voucher, you LOAN everyone $5k to buy a car, not only
      will the sellers still raise their prices $5k, but the ‘buyers’ will have to
      repay the extra price they paid.

      And the same is true for everything else including houses and education.
      ‘Giving’ students grants or college loans enables the schools, professors,
      textbook publishers, etc. to raise their prices and salaries far beyond what
      they could have without the grants and loans. It may take longer than in the
      case of a car voucher, but for the past 30 years at least, college costs have
      soared higher faster than everything else, thanks to Pell grants and student
      loans. Cut out the grants and loans and the schools will soon find themselves
      out of students, the professors out of jobs and the textbook publishers out of
      business – until they cut their prices and salaries like retail businesses are
      forced to do when times get tough. Continue the way we are doing and more and
      more students are going to become debt slaves with degrees working at jobs that
      shouldn’t require them.

      • Anonymous

        Your example is exactly correct.  That is why Medicare, Medicaid, and national health insurance which allows a “co-pay” will never work.  When G.W. Bush gave people prescription drug insurance, the price of medication skyrocketed fopr those who didn’t qualify.

        Someone ALWAYS pays, and bet a nickle it won’t be the producer.

  • Anonymous

    I voted against the bond because the U. of Maine strayed far away from the original intent of the Morrill Act:

    “The purpose of the land-grant colleges was:

    without excluding other scientific and classical studies and including military tactic, to teach such branches of learning as are related to agriculture and the mechanic arts, in such manner as the legislatures of the States may respectively prescribe, in order to promote the liberal and practical education of the industrial classes in the several pursuits and professions in life.[4”

    The ag. school is a parody of the other land grant universities and this mission needs to be a new priority; esp. since Maine is becoming a major food exporter and its agriculture is becoming diverse and organic.

    I sooner go to U.VT or Penn State than I would U. Maine or the Cooperative Extension service and its wannabe farmer bozo’s.I always wondered why so much time and money was spent on David Flanagan’s task force to reform USM and so little came out of it, except more discussion groups and papers.

    Any way I’m not the only one disgusted with the self-indulgent and obese superstructure at USM; there are many more including faculty who’ve revolted over issues like how many students are given a free ride to UMS without even passing high school learning standards.  How much money is spent on remediation and why is this even budgeted?

    • Anonymous

      I reluctantly voted for the university system bond because I thought it might create some jobs, even though at too high a cost. My wife, on the other hand, consistently votes against any bond issue that provides funding for the U. of M. because she believes that too much of it goes into unnecessary infrastructure and too high salaries for the university’s administrators, whatever the term is. I generally agree with her. (Always the best policy.)

  • Anonymous

    I suspect that the inclusion of “System” in the bond wording was what killed the bond. Surely any bond for just the Community College System would have passed easily. Not sure about any bond for just Maine Maritime. The guy Low cited here was one of the seven outgoing Baldacci Administration top aides hired by the System so they could continue to be paid well. Recall that two were hired without searches and one hired with a search has only a high school degree. Too bad that the general public doesn’t learn more about the centralization of power and money at the System level, usually to the detriment of the seven regular campuses. They’d be even more outraged. The System made no real effort to promote the bond. System employees got only a tepid e-mail from the Chancellor Page last week.

    • Anonymous

      The bond did not include matching funds, and people need to better understand the return on the investment.  That’s also why it lost in a narrow vote.

      • Anonymous

        UMS has a bad name of late, possibly for good reasons.  That’s why the bond issue failed.  Narrowly.

      • Anonymous

        Did the other bonds that DID pass have that provision and, if so, was that made clear in the wording? I seriously doubt that most opponents of the higher ed bond reasoned in your interpretation. Bonds that supposedly lead to job creation never mention this either, to my knowledge. But thanks for a very important point.

  • Anonymous

    The gay marriage bill passed. Get your priorities in order will you?

  • Anonymous

    Go ahead LeBUFFOON.  I dare you to NOT sign the bonds.  THAT will seal your DOOM at the ballot box in 2014, both yourself and your party which will lose even more seats next time.

  • Anonymous

    Glad the vote went this way. Why throw good money at the teacher unions.

    • What did Question 2 have to do with teacher unions?

  • Guest

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    • Anonymous

      actually, under Maine law, he can.

      • Guest

        That doesn’t make it right.

  • Anonymous

    I supported the bond issue, because it was for technical-training related projects, and Maine people need to be trained for jobs, not graduate with mostly decorative Liberal Arts degrees. However, I also know that our best graduates don’t stay in the state, because they can’t. Until Maine’s population grows – which it hasn’t done in almost a century – it honestly can’t support more businesses and therefore more jobs. Our markets are full. We need to get over it. The wrangling over ‘business friendliness’ is pure politics. Those who think otherwise, including the politicians, are deluding themselves. So take it or leave it. Our public education is still better, and a better deal, than most states’. Let’s keep it that way, I say. Mainers abroad are great ambassadors for the best state in the nation.

  • Anonymous

    The U-Maine system synonymous with ‘smart’?   One need only review the salary circus at USM to realize that the whole system is little more than a plump taxpayer funded mammary for dingleberries with their degrees hung on their noses to nurse at. 

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