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  • Anonymous

     Their challenge is to outline specific economic policies, will not happen because the Democrats do n0t have any.  If they did they would have brought them forward in the most recent campaign.  As indicated the Democrats almost ran against themselves in many ways.  The characterized the Republicans as “mean ogres” and only out to save the rich.  When you get down to the bottom line the Democrats will have very few options to increase revenue at this point,except by raising taxes.  Rolling back the tax cuts will only provide a partial solution.  

  • Anonymous

    So its back to the spend, spend, spend mantra of the Democrats.  Maine will now turn back to its deficit spendig ways and if you think things are bad now, just wait.

    • Anonymous

      Check your facts. Maine has not and constitutionally cannot run a deficit. LePage’s budget was much higher than Baldacci’s.

      • Nat

        Facts are facts-$1-2 billion hole by the last administration to the Republican run administration with a first time shrinking debt. You must be kidding! I was replying to Snowsox not Noleman2.

        • Nat

          Go to: for state debt clock: http://www.USdebt clock.com,then look in the upper left for state clock,click on it,choose ME and wait. Maine’s debt clock will show you that our debt is shrinking,but wait a news flash from Maine’s most important, VERY LIBERAL newspaper,the BDN: all of Maine’s debt is back on track because of the tax and spend policies of the liberal democrats. Congratulations for bringing us to that wonderful brink of destruction only the State… can’t afford it… can’t afford it…can’t afford it…SAME OLD,SAME OLD… Maybe the liberals will go into their own monied pockets to help the poor-wait-not a chance boys and girls-they can only use our money.

      • Anonymous

        While Baldacci not paying Maine hospitals hundreds of millions in bills, some over 5 years old, is not called a deficit by the government class, to call it a balanced budget is to insult the intelligence of the Maine taxpayer.

        • Anonymous

           check yous fact you won’t find it in that email. Do you all work for the hospitals?

        • Anonymous

          that “huindreds of million ”  owed was in dispute and amounted to a freebie taxpayer  giveaway to hospitals.

          • Emmaline Greensward

             No it wasn’t.

          • Anonymous

             You are making yourself look look even more foolish than usual.  I doubt you can find 10 people in Maine who dispute that Baldacci stiffed the hospitals for hundreds of millions.  Heck, even Baldacci admitted it.

          • Nat

            Gov Baldacci had an agreement with the hospital association to pay them back.

        • FELT

          I’ve felt that the time is ripe to sue LePage to comply fully with the Constitution and eliminate the deficit by genuinely balancing the amount spent with the revenue coming in…..so which brave Republican or  conservative Democrat is going to bell this cat?   Where’s that spineless MHPC when you really need it?

      • When you owe hospitals and healthcare providers millions of dollars and you do not pay them, that is deficit spending.  Maine spent more than it took in during the Baldacci administration reign and violated Maine’s constitution.  Had that been done while republicans were in power, it would have made the National news not to mention the wrath of this newspaper.  But heck, John was trying real hard and he was nice.

        • FELT

          o.k. you get two meatballs, now move on.

      • Anonymous

        Hey here is a FACT I pay more and more in  taxes every year but what do I get out of it? I work pay my bills bought my home and cars and all without any gov money in fact I pay the money out that allows those who do nothing to stay home collect the multiple forms of welfare and breed on MY dollars. Hell Maine towns give DONATIONS with tax dollars to all kinds of places.

        What we need is a governemnt that lets us KEEP the majority of what we earn and hold all people to at standard. You want somethign EARN it. Why do some of us who got off our butts worked hard and achived our goals paid our bills and did not whine or collect welfare forced to pay for those who say it can not be done. Is it easy hell no. I tell you this I can look both my daughter and my grandchildren in the face and tell then what we have was EARNED and we did not live off the work of others. Self respect plain and simple.

        • Is it satisfying that you can live a good life and still help those less fortunate than you (even if some of them are lazy bums?) I think there is satisfaction in that. 

          I think just about everyone agrees that there has to be a limitation to assistance. Contrary to what is commonly used as a talking point, no one wants to foster lifetime dependency on the system. I truly wish that nonsense could be put to bed.

          It’s one of those things that’s just so much easier said than done – achieving that elusive and tricky balance – don’t help enough and people fall through the cracks – help too much, and people become complacent. Where’s the sweet spot? How do we find it? Trial and error mostly – reforms – finding what works, not forcing one ideology or the other – round pegs in square holes.

          And though I share most of your sentiment, it does sound a bit like whining too. ;)

          • Anonymous

            Good life? No I live MY life. When I had problems I worked harder. from 22 to 26 I worked three jobs not because I wanted to but that was what I needed to do to support MY family.

            There should be ZERO gov involvment. People who are handed something do not have understanding of the work required to get it. Face it the work ethic for all to many in the USA is crap.

          • Zero? Wow, and you sounded like such a normal guy…that’s extreme. 

            For all to many Americans have no work ethic? Again, extremist nonsense.

            It sounded a bit before like whining, though I’m certain now. You’re the victim, right?

          • Anonymous

            Extreme why? I did it many others do it. Work hard and get it done.

            I am not whining nor am I a victim! I am simply pissed that those of us who work our A55 off get more taken form us every year and those who do nothing are treated as though they are somehow entitiled to take this money from those of us who earned it. I lived in Machies for awhile and behind the school is a whole complex full of able bodied folks who do not work they CAN and there is work for them but they do not. Why? Because they do not have to.

            I will tell you when my distane for the welfare system truly started. When my daughter graduated high school  threw a party at my home. We invited many of her classmates. Whiel sittign and chatting I asked a group of the girls what they where now going to do work, school or maybe go see the world. In the group seated about 8 of them 1 was going to go college on a grant becau eher parrents where poor 5 of the girls told me outright they where going to have kids? I aksed why they wanted to have kids so young. They told me in no uncertian terms because that is the best way to get money! Here I am having saved 40 grand over the last 20 years to send my daughter to college and willing to borrow more and these kids simply do not care enough about there own lives to try! Extremist? No just reality for far to many. Do not think so go to your local housing where they live and see for yourself.

            As for HELP this is what family is for. The gov supporting people is not HELP. Now if we had a limited type deal like when welfare started where you got help you then got a job and paid it back then I am all for that. But simply GIVING people all they need without them making any effort to help there own life well I guess I am just a mena un pc evil person I do not
             support that..

          • Getting able bodied people to work is what the majority wants – that is not an extreme sentiment. Though cutting off all government assistance is.

            Even if the “real” un-employment number in this country is closer to 15% some say it is, that’s still 85% of the country that is working. We’re talking about a very small number that are truly leaching the system and are giving nothing back. Yes, obviously some contribute more than others.

            Let’s start talking solutions – realistic solutions. What’s the solution that helps those in dire straits get back on their feet, but doesn’t make them complacent? Coddling isn’t it, though nor is cold turkey.

            You’re frustrated, I get it. Some of these career welfare people make me sick as well, though ranting without offering a viable alternative is not especially constructive. I am a big supporter of workfare and do believe that there should absolutely be some return on investment expected.

          • Anonymous

            You seem to have some disconnect here. These are not the numbers I hear on tv but what I have SEEN with my eyes. There is a significant potion of people who just do not want to work. There is ALWAYS work for those willing to work. and a person who has a good work ethic will never lack a job. Lets look at just unemployment for a second here. It speak volumes that many on this do not get new jobs until there unemployment is about to run out.

            In my life I have never collect unemployment. I have never collected any type of welfare. My parents where not poor my father was Navy and did not make allot but we got by. My grandmother on my mom’s side was POOR they grew un in the hills of NH with 7 kids a stay at home mom and a dad who worked in hotels as a cook and was not home for the summer as he was working. These folks where POOR they existed off what they grew and hunted. My great grandfather raised a pig every year feeding it he scraps form the kitchen only to sell off all the “good” parts for money while keeping the fat in a barrel in a barrel of brine in the basement along with there tater stash there primary food I might add. In yet they where happy all 7 kids grew up to be productive members of society 2 are still alive and doing well. One owns the home they grew up in.

            So I know what POOR is I know what not living beyond your means is and I know what self respect is. The entire welfare system teaches the opposite of these values.

            Helping a person when they NEED it is fine and I support a helping hand. Supporting folks I simply do not abide by even more so when what I worked so hard for is taken from me to provide it.

          • Sometimes the anecdotes close our eyes to the big picture. I’m not denying or doubting your testimony. Simply trying to put it into perspective.

            Welfare needs to be reformed. Fostering lifetime dependency needs to be stopped. We should only help those who can’t help themselves. Yes. There’s really not that big of a disconnect.

            Workfare is good, and a suggestion I heard recently about slowing reducing assistance to reduce dependency gradually (vs cold turkey), was a good one. What would you propose?

          • Anonymous

            As I clearly stated if “welfare” was limited help that had to be paid back then I say fine. The problem is thos ewho work do nto realize what welfare is. Most think it is one check. Welfare is all the “programs” that enable people to live off the work of others. In Maine you get food stamps, wic, section 8 housing, Maine care, home improvements,  oil,  electricity,  gas, money, transportation, vehicle maintaince and even refridgators and freezors all paid for by those of us who work hard and pay the ever incresing taxes removed formt he money we WORKED for.

            Removing or altering any of these “programs” is not even seriously talked about as to even bring it up makes the speaker a evil biggot.

    • Anonymous

       i hope you will watch as carefully as you did before  and check your facts ( they won’t be in your email, now)  Le page increased the budget more then Baldacci ever did—- 7.5%. I know== don’t  let any  facts get in your way.

      • Emmaline Greensward

         you never do why should we

      • Anonymous

         It’s easy to spend less when you don’t pay all of the bills. Responsibility is a foreign concept for the Dem drones in government. And please don’t post again that those bills didn’t exist, you’re making yourself look even more foolish than usual.

  • Anonymous

    Maine voters are basically a dysfunctional bunch.  They just couldn’t help themselves; just when their Legislation was beginning to turn the tide after 40 years of job crushing policies the Dem’s gave us. No, voters couldn’t handle changes that were  reasonable, middle of the road policies, that looked more like states within the national averages in taxes and regulations.  Our dysfunctional folks didn’t know how to handle success so they put the brakes on and did a 180 Tuesday.  Back to what they knew for the past 40 years in the safe, familar shadows of  high taxes, more regulations, handouts for anyone who doesn’t want to work, no accountabilty for State Agencies to spend our money however they like, and on and on.  The liberal media and liberal politican’s used the usual scare tactics with no facts or proof of  decline onvoters & they believed once again. Why take  a chance and get good paying jobs? it never happend before? just like Mom & Dad? Denial and dysfunction are a terrible thing.

    • Anonymous

      Hmm.  I’d say voters less dysfunctional than two years ago.  As for those ‘middle of the road” policies, they weren’t obvious.

    • Anonymous

      R’s blew it and ticked the voters off . It was their to lose and they lost it  D’s now have the largest majority  EVER  thanks  to the R’s over stepping. and I suspect they will keep it for another 15 years at least.

      • Anonymous

        7300 new jobs in the private sector in one year (2011-12)..with 600 less govt jobs in Maine…..thats where the start is for the new Democratic majority….do better than that and we can go from there….Democrats blame everything else onsomeone else, so this shouldnt be any different….any supplemental budget will be blamed on the Republicans

    • Anonymous

      Good comments………….  When it comes to any economic growth in maine; the ‘special interest’ folks will jump all over idea, regardless of what it is…………  Maine will continue to depend on Federal dollars to survive and continue to decline economically in the future………….  The Maine I remember from the 50-60s was a state where jobs were plentiful, maybe not high paying but you made a living; and the people didn’t expect Obamaland to support them………..  Those days are no longer; this is what will most likely destroy our state and our country unless we make some changes both morally and socially; which I fear will not happen as the new generation running this country have lost their way.  This last election has proven that……………. 

      • Emmaline Greensward

         So has outrage when schools stop spending as much, and parents go nuts.

    • The liberal media didn’t make LePage act like a jerk and become a national embarrassment. They gladly showed it of course and gave Paul plenty of rope, though put blame where blame is due. In politics, it’s not just what you do, but how you do it. 

      • FELT

        are you following the impact of the media’s GAFF PATROL again?    Just type in ‘biden’ & ‘gaff’ and let the fun begin.

        • I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make. That Biden is a dope? Well, yeah.

          • Yawningattrolls

            And he’s one step from the presidency…….that is scary (from a Dem here)

          • Sure…though most VPs (and wannabe VPs) at least in the 21st century are kinda scary. Biden, Cheney, Palin and Ryan…want any of these as president? Didn’t think so. :D

            I’m still failing how to see how it related to LePage however…you?

          • FELT

            Even the media is coming out and discussing who far from policy issues this past campaign was….running on highly personal, ‘Palinesque’ attacks, gaffs, innuendo, coded racist attacks–note the Black racist on one of the political blobs talking about how white’s lost this election and will in the future and how Blacks will all vote as a bloc, etc,; guilt by association—hey there’s some KOCH money in that mountain and you know what that means; LePage is doing things ‘we’ don’t like so lets start calling him names, like Bully, commenting on his wife, his daughter, the Black boy he semi adopted, etc.

            The ‘high road’ is now just a platform for aerial bombardment of your enemies.

          • While there are many marionettes that dance to the rhythm that their media and partisan masters play, no matter what it is – assuming that all criticism is illegitimate just because it goes against one party or individual (and comes from this source or that) is also false. 

            The trick is in reading between the lines and around the spin. It’s hard at times, I think we’ve all been taken a time or two (even the most skeptical) – I know I have.

            Now, LePage is going to be a jerk no matter which way the media spins it, just as Biden is going to be a dope. There is no bias or spin here. These two have made this crystal clear.

            For what it’s worth, I don’t partake in the petty partisan sniping – don’t care about LePage’s wife, his adopted son and I could honestly care less about his daughter’s position. I don’t care about what Romney did with his dog 20 years ago, his tax returns, Obama’s birth certificate, who Bristol Palin sleeps with or any other lame stuff along the same lines.

            The immaturity and poor prioritization of the media is a reflection of the American population. The bias and lies we’re fed is a reflection of the American population. That’s what we are asking for. The media is only supplying demand. Truth is in short supply because no one’s buying. We want to be told we’re right and hate having our opinions challenged.

          • Anonymous

            Agree.  Replace party with cult behind  D and R. We have become a Nation of blind followers.

  • Anonymous

    Back to political criminal and incompetent hacks like Violette and McCormick running things in Augusta. People get the government they deserve.  The only problem with that is that I get the government they deserve too.

    • Anonymous

      Come now, do you truly think those two will cruise into Augusta and be handed positions? Really? As for the business of “people getting the government they deserve,” I’ve said that every time my side lost an election. I got over it, and so can you.

    • Anonymous

      Be careful  McCormick might be back as Treasurer. PS there were NO criimional charges  But lots of false and political innuendo.

      • Anonymous

        that would be sweet…..

        • FELT

          Don’t leave out Pat Barnes and others who fled to UMS and other havens. 

      • Anonymous

         There WERE quarter million dollar “affordable” housing units. incompetence in government is not a crime, in fact it seems like a requirement.

  • Gary Libby

    Proof will be in the results.  What will the Congress look like in two years?

    • Anonymous

      EVEN More Democratic if  R’s don’t stop with the gridlock “i’m gonna take my ball and go home” politics.

  • Anonymous

    Okay, Ds.  You got told things needed to change two years ago.  You say you’ve gotten the message and want more bipartisanship and can run things better.  Here you go.

    • Anonymous

      Here you go, they have been running things for the last 40 years, that is how we got here in the 1st place, it took 40 years to screw it up, not gonna get fixed in two years., your leader wanted 4 more years for the same reason.

      • Anonymous

        I agree completely, and that’s why you won’t hear me whining that Obama that hasn’t returned the economy to pre-Recession levels.  I expect the same understanding from Ds in Maine.

  • Anonymous

    we elected a DEMOCRATIC majority and expect democratic princples.. People first politics last.
     No  more taxpayers hand outs to K12 ! INC  for “virtual schools”  and as pay back for political donations,  for example. . WE expect leaders who know how to read research and can asses  and present them  properly to the public  with out political spin  that pushes a personal agenda for example.  (AYP report) Just to name a few.

     I want the mural back at the labor department–a mural that represents the hard work of Maine PEOPLE”s LABOR!

    I want us to COMPLY with  the health care reform act,l  NOT resist it with foolish and costly  lawsuits.

    • Anonymous

      Maine could go through a hundred lawsuits and it would still be trillions of dollars less than actually implementing govt run health care

      • Yawningattrolls

        A republican that just won’t accept reality or simply go away………

  • Anonymous

    Yup, and when that does not happen they can still blame Bush.

    • FELT

      When did they stop?  There is no cure, even winning, for BDS.

  • tag

    Time to move to New Hampshire: no income tax, no sales tax, lower property taxes, lower health insurance costs, natural gas instead of oil and no welfare trolls. Why would anyone not dependent on the government stay in Maine?

    • FELT

      I’m told you only need to own a campsite in N.H. to become a resident. Many Mainers now claim N.H. as their residence….hint, hint.

  • FELT

    How far can you go with tax, borrow, and spend tomorrow’s revenue?   ….maybe not far enough if the Obama administration pressures Congress to raise the Federal Debt so he can then pressure the Federal Reserve to ‘print’ more money. 

    Even though the increase in money is inflationary; it will enable an expansion of spending and the largely Democratic illusion  of being rich again. ….hint…buy gold and platinum, today’s a good day for it.

  • Anonymous

    It is an impossible quest for them to think outside the box, so it won’t happen.. Their major concern is tax revenue, so where do they go to get that,  tourism. it is the only thing they know. revenue generating policies to spend on their pet projects.. minium wage jobs in the torist industry is the best they will ever do for the people of Maine.. To allow someone to build a business in Maine in not in their plan book.. Keeping people poor and dependant is their game.. If you open a business that profits they will regulate you out of business or out of State. Example; Quimby said that she would never do business in Maine again  because of its business climate. and that was under 30 years of liberal rule.. So see even the most ultra liberal in the country wouldn’t do business in maine.  The liberals can’t do it impossible.

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