Comments for: Same-sex couples could get marriage licenses by Jan. 5

Posted Nov. 07, 2012, at 5:57 a.m.
Last modified Nov. 07, 2012, at 6:59 p.m.

BANGOR | Same-sex couples in Maine should be able to obtain marriage licenses by Jan. 5 and get married the same day, a spokeswoman for the Maine secretary of state’s office said Wednesday morning after voters in Maine approved a referendum to allow gay marriage. The secretary of state …

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  • Anonymous

    Hurray hurray.  Equal rights and civil liberty are to be extended to ALL American citizens.  Let us hope this law stands.

    • Melora

       It is a sad day that same-sex couples can hijack the word “marriage” to place to an unnatural and sinful union. No matter what the corrupt political powers that may be, God does not recognize gay marriage and never will. That is pretty clear how God feels in the Bible in both the Old and New Testaments.  Our state is even darker now and practicing Christians and others of faith will be discriminated against as same-sex couples push them to acknowledge their unholy unions. Very sad indeed. 

      • Anonymous

        Sorry, I can’t hear you over the awesomeness of same sex marriage!

      • Millicent

         It’s a word, and it means a social union or legal contract between people called spouses that creates kinship. :)

      • Anonymous

        The God I believe in supports gay marriage. Yours doesn’t. Both are irrelevant. Law trumps religion. There are more religions than there are countries in the world.

      • Anonymous

        November 6, 2012: the day these lies stopped working.

      • Anonymous

        My God loves ALL of his children. He created each and every one, including his gay children. Having created them as they are, how can He turn His back and not recognize them??

        How can we? We are NOT being asked to like or endorse homosexuality. We ARE being asked to practice tolerance and love them as we would love ourselves. We ARE being asked to extend to them the same civil benefits of any traditional couple.

        Would you support removing all of the civil benefits from a couple if one spouse cheats?

      • Alec Cunningham

        No church will be forced to wed my boyfriend and me.

        Laws preventing discrimination in the workplace are already on the books and were reaffirmed by the people in 2005.  They have nothing to do with the law that the people said yes to.

        It is not religious freedom to close the doors of your business to people you disapprove of.  You can still believe as you wish, but you can’t say that selling me a cake is causing you to be discriminated against.

    • Anonymous

       Let is pray it does Not!

    • Anonymous

      As it should be. Nothing good ever comes out of religious suppression.

    • Randall Flagg

       BDN LOVES REMOVING COMMENTS THAT ARENT IN THEIR FAVOR!!!

    • Anonymous

      This does not mean that “equal right and civil liberty,” is extended to “all” American citizens.  There remains, for one, discrimination in tax laws based on being “married.”

    • Anonymous

      My comment was flagged for review. Moderator, please explain to me why so. It has been flagged without any decision on removal for quite some time by now. I think I deserve an answer. In the meantime my flagged comment is not being aired like the one I responded to.

    • Anonymous

      My own comment has been flagged for review. It has been thus so far for quite some time. Why won’t the moderator come to a decision? Is he afraid my view will be aired for the world to see? What possible rule for posting have I broken while I am being excoriated by more than several regular posters? This looks more and more like an effort to censor my views. Is this a preview of things (censorship) to come under the new world order? I hope not but this doesn’t look good to me.

    • Anonymous

      Will you all just stop whining now that you got what you wanted?

      • Alec Cunningham

        It doesn’t look as if the post you replied to had any whining in it….

    • Anonymous

      Justice delayed is justice denied. How about it Mr. Moderator, whoever you are? I don’t mean to be rude but my post has been flagged for several hours by now without any decision to remove it or not. I’ve asked for an explanation, yet none has be forthcoming. What seems to be the matter? This is not the first time this has happened. This makes me wonder if you are indeed fair to your posters and readers. You have my email address. You can always email me with an explanation if you do not want to post it in this venue. How about it? I think by now I deserve an explanation.

      • Anonymous

        Oh my god, you will whine about anything won’t you.

    • Anonymous

      This is my third attempt to get you, the moderator, to give me an explanation why you are denying me justice by withholding my comment while others cannot read it. If my comment is in violation of the rules for posting, why not tell me why? Is this asking too much of you? Just how long does it take to make a decision on a review case? I feel compelled at this point to repeat what I stated earlier: justice delayed is justice denied. I’m sorry if I sound bullheaded here, but you are not giving me much alternative.

      • Anonymous

        You really are annoying, aren’t you?  If no one’s answered you by now, deal with it.  BDN is privately owned, they can delete any comment they want.

      • Anonymous

        Moderator, please read my comment in this post entered just a few minutes ago.

    • Anonymous

      Mr. Moderator, I’m still awaiting your explanation as to why my comment continues to be flagged. This is my fourth request. What do you have to say? Do you continue serving injustice? Or are you just going to give me the silent treatment? How about it? This is not the first time you flagged my comment indefinitely to prevent it from being aired. If you do not respond I can only presume you are bias and unfair.

    • Anonymous

      Sick, put them all in one building!

    •  Was this a national vote?

    • Anonymous

      Citizens??? not all persons? for shame.
      The progressive liberals want to extend all the “rights” of citizenship to any vermin that can make it’s way into the country.
      Citizenship comes with responsibilities along with the rights.
      I don’t think a progressive understands what a right is.

      • Alec Cunningham

        You poor dear.  You really believe that, don’t you?

        • Anonymous

          So, not only does larry hate gays, he also seems to hate immigrants.  Homophobic AND racist?  Now there’s a surprising combination…

        • Anonymous

          Sure do, and YOU refuse to see the truth there, you poor dear.

          • Alec Cunningham

            Yes, it’s all just so very sad.

  • Anonymous

    Heaven help us~

    • Anonymous

      Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s. This is just a government document. No one said your god has to recognize it

      • Anonymous

        Me dost think Rome is falling!

        • Anonymous

          Glad we’re in Maine, then, “the way life should be”!

    • Sectar114

      Yes, and also Oz, the North Pole and Disneyland.

  • Anonymous

    Finally, Maine leads the country in something other than rediculous comments from their Governor:)

    • Anonymous

      And the democrats take back Augusta.  Goodbye LePage!

  • Anonymous

    Proud SSM supporter and very proud to be part of a historical first: The first legalization of SSM through popular vote!

  • Anonymous

    Amazing, I’m especially proud of us for this! We absolutely did the right thing. 

  • Anonymous

    Finally.

  • Anonymous

    Mainers have shown, once again, that they will not, have not, and do not tolerate lies.  
    When the “religious” right began invading our state back in the 1970s and starting fly-by-night churches w/diploma mill pastors, we began to veer from the Maine way.
    Nice to see that we have returned to the “we are all in this together” old-fashioned Maine thinking.

    • Anonymous

       My, my, my, aren’t you being judgmental, and where is your tolerance?  I thought your favorite, out of context, verse was “Judge not lest ye be not judged.”

      • Anonymous

        Why should anyone tolerate the intolerant?  

        • Alec Cunningham

          Or the Dutch?  

          (A reference from a movie)…..

          • Anonymous

            Haha, I see what you did there.

        • Bob

           Why would I or any other Christian tolerate the intolerant and intolerance of the left?  We do because the Lord Jesus, the Creator of the universe(s) commands us to, just as He commands us to preach the Gospel to even the intolerant.

          So, that is why we, who call ourselves Christians and are truly Born Again Washed in the Blood of the Lamb Christians tolerate the intolerant.

          • Anonymous

            Sorry, Bob.  It’s you Christians who are intolerant — of any religion but your own.  You have murdered thousands and maybe millions — simply because they refused to bend to your religious madness.  You go around shoving yourselves into peoples’ faces trying to shove your “stuff” onto them.  You are intolerant and intolerable.  

            The sooner the world is rid of religions that push themselves onto people, the better we’ll all be.  

      •  “Tolerance” does not mean unquestioning acceptance of every destructive, idiotic, superstitious, small-minded, ignorant idea that comes up I-95.

        • Bob

           Such as same sex sex?

      • Sherman2

        Is pastor Bob saying that we should tolerate lies?  Mainegal talked about the lies not the person.  I think she tolerates you, just not your lies…  

        tsk tsk tsk

      • Anonymous

        Maybe I am wrong, but I think what Mainegal is getting at, is that we should not set up fundamentalist religion solely to influence the political climate of this state or country. I think the long standing Judeo-Christian institutions have tried to be tolerant even in their disapproval. 

        I have never really understood, after all of the ethnic intolerance we have seen in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, why we still try to control or reject those smaller subsets in our society that mean us no harm, and simply seek to enjoy the civil benefits that all Americans should be able to enjoy. Many successful people have been raised in non traditional households, i.e. grandparents, aunts, uncles, sibling etc. Maybe the ideal is a mother and a father, but then there are many mother/father households that are far less than ideal. 

        I voted yes on Question 1 because I believe rights are for all people. And I believe I should leave the business of judging who is right or wrong to the God I believe in.

        • Bob

           I think what you are referring to as intolerance is to us, not intolerance at all, but standing upon Biblical rights and wrongs.

          Yet those who call us intolerant, are thy not being intolerant by calling us intolerant?  those who claim we are being judgmental by standing upon or faith, are they not being judgmental in their intolerance of us?

          • Preston Nethercutt

            Prove the existence of your “god”, objectively, and this long (heterosexually) married old guy will gladly help you spread the “good news”. Failing that, please stop subjecting this Nation to your sociopathic delusions. 

          • Anonymous

            I cannot “prove” God’s existence. In fact, I believe He does not want us to. He asks that we accept Him on faith with love. Not a hard thing to do.

            I have never seen oxygen, but I am pretty sure it exists because I do.

          • Anonymous

            Minor quibble, we can test for oxygen.  We can scientifically prove it’s existence.  We cannot do the same for a deity.

          • Anonymous

            I have never tried to prove the existence of oxygen or God. I can accept both as a matter of faith. 

            We could not always prove the existence of oxygen either. Maybe someday there will be a scientific test that will prove the existence of God. Maybe it still needs to be invented.

          • Anonymous

            The existence of O2 is well established, and led to the revolution in thinking that led to modern chemistry.  There will not be any scientific proof of God, nor should there be.  As you said previously, belief in God is a matter of faith, not proof.

          • Anonymous

            I would not describe myself as intolerant to anyones’ views. To those who don’t agree with me. I respect your opinion and I respect even more your right to have that opinion and to express it freely. However, I would grant the same respect to those who disagree with you, both in word and in practice. Can you do the same?

          • Anonymous

            We should never tolerate people who seek to harm others.

      • Anonymous

        Let me be the first to assure you, “Pastor,” that your opinion of me amounts to less than the proverbial tinker’s dam.  You see, there are still some humans out here who are not malleable and never will be, especially by fundamentalists and/or evangelicals.

        • Bob

           Smart girl mainegal17, trust no man, check for yourself.

    • Anonymous

      You ought to find an old frog to ask about good old fashioned Maine thinking.  Conservatives are on the side of history.

      • Anonymous

        Agreed! I am a conservative, registered Republican who fully supports gay marriage— because treating our citizens equally under the law is a Constitutional value.

    • Alec Cunningham

      Don’t forget that we “refudiated” the voter fraud lies.

  • Anonymous

    One can only wonder now, what ridiculous nonsense will be next to vote on.

  • Anonymous

    And Wisconsin elected the first openly gay Senator! Tammy Baldwin. What amazing progress!

    • Tedlick Badkey

      All initiatives went in the right direction, Wisconsin did the right thing, and Iowa kept the justice who helped bring marriage equality.

      NOM’s Brian Brown and Maggie Gallagher must be so irked this morning.

      The only thing better than witnessing their angst of loss would be to have breakfast with Mike Heath this morning.

      • Anonymous

        All your food would be covered in tears though!

  • Anonymous

    JUDE 1:7

    • Tedlick Badkey

      Irrelevant.

    • Anonymous

      BOOM !!!  How do you like it now Son ?!

    • Anonymous

      SonofBangor, I know this is very hard for you, but now you are legally required to be gay and to marry another man. You should clean yourself up, dry those tears, maybe get a haircut and put on a clean outfit and get out there! You’ll find someone great, I’m sure of it ;-)

      • Hey, he can rent episodes of “Queer Eye for the Straight Guy” to find out how to dress for this horrible new world he’s now forced to enter :D

    • Anonymous

       Hey Jude!!  Take a sad song and make it better….

    • Sectar114

      TURK 182

      • Anonymous

        Nice

    • Anonymous

      Nothing in that speaks against the supportive, committed love two people are blessed to share in this world.

      Thankfully, most Mainers have agreed that ALL Maine families deserve the important protections of civil marriage!

    • Anonymous

      Suess 15:4

      So what?  I don’t believe in your book!

    • Anonymous

      Noted.  Again, I see why you believe what you believe.  But my secular government will not be guided by this.

  • Anonymous

    For those who believe in God’s Holy and Absolute word, this is a tough morning, so,  I would suggest you read 2 Thessalonians 2:3, but only in the KJV, Geneva, or ACP/KJV.  Now this is important, the word translated ‘a’ is, in the Greek,  apostasia, pronounced ap-os-tas-ee’-ah, today, a better translation, not interpretation, but translation, due to our changing language, would be ‘the’.

    Last night in Maine and nationwide, there was a huge decision to abandon following Christ and to instead, as a nation, follow the democrat and his party,  apostasia,

    • Anonymous

      Um, we’re not a Christian nation, so we have no business passing laws to appease your personal God (you btw, don’t have a monopoly on Jesus OR God). 

      I suggest you read the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. Equality and freedom for ALL. 

      • Bob

         I have both read them and have them posted on my site, http://www.ChristianPatriot.com/hatch.htm

        We are not a muslim nation but we have passed laws recognizing their religion.  We are not a Jewish nation but we have passed laws based upon Hebrew theology.  Further more if we removed all of the laws that were based upon Christian teachings, while I might be ok, most would not be.

        So once again you are being tolerant of all but Christians, why is that?

    • Bob Conti

      Which King’s James version?  It’s gone through dozens of re-writes.  And Christ’s two commandments were:  Love God and love one another.  That’s it.  So actully, it’s not abandonning Christ at all, rather, it’s following his teachings.  I know you like to pick and choose which parts of the Bible you want to follow, but honestly, it just boils down to these two.  I certainly don’t expect you to agree,  but I don’t really care.  I simply know that you’re wrong. 

      • Bob

         Not true, the 1611 KJV is still the 1611KJV.

        Now I have written some 17,000 pages, 80% of which are available to the general public.  Go find even one example to support your accusation.  http://www.ChristianPatriot.com/search.htm

  • Anonymous

     For those who believe in God’s Holy and Absolute word, this is a tough
    morning, so,  I would suggest you read 2 Thessalonians 2:3, but only in
    the KJV, Geneva, or ACP/KJV.  Now this is important, the word translated
    ‘a’ is, in the Greek,  apostasia, pronounced ap-os-tas-ee’-ah, today, a
    better translation, not interpretation, but translation, due to our
    changing language, would be ‘the’.

    Last night in Maine and
    nationwide, there was a huge decision to abandon following Christ and to
    instead, as a nation, follow the democrat and his party,  apostasia,

    • Anonymous

      Jesus was a Democrat.

      • Anonymous

         Jesus is neither democrat or republican, He is God, and to refer to Him as a follower of the democrat is to have no understanding of either the God of life or the god of death.

        • Sherman2

          Ok then, Jesus was a liberal!

          • Bob

            Words have meanings, please define ‘liberal’.

          • Sherman2

            Liberal: healthcare, headstart, food, education, peace, tolerance, belief in a higher power or not…  you know touchy feely stuff!

            Conservative: you’re on your own, greed, guns, capitalism,poorly hidden bigotry, self rightous demogogery, belief in only their god… and forgive me…. but they have some sort of frustrated hatred that I just don’t understand.

            Both desciptions are overly simplistic and stereotypical, but it kindah works for me!

      • Anonymous

        Jesus is Lord and doesn’t need a party.  I wish *my* Party understood this.

    • Anonymous

       I’m reading Ken Follett

    •  Could you pleae provide a quotation from Christ telling people to discriminate against gays, who are also God’s children?
      Thank you, I seem to have missed it.

      • Anonymous

         No Lucy, I shall not play your silly game for the Bible is full of examples of God’s hate for male on male sex.  Instead, you show me a verse, in context, where God does not condemn homosexual behavior. 

        You might start by explaining Leviticus 18 and 20 and why He destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah.

        • Anonymous

          Show me the part of the Constitution which indicates that we’re governed by your interpretation of the Bible. 

          • Bob

             Show me where in my post I said anything about the Constitution.  By the way which Constitution are you referring to?   And then you might show me where in that Constitution it leads one to believe that our g0vt is not to be built upon God’s word.

          • Anonymous

            Well, the fact that the only mention of religion is in the First Amendment is a clue.  Then, there’s also the fact that our laws come from English Common Law, not the Bible.  Oh, and to top it all off, we have the Treaty of Tripoli, passed by Congress and signed by President Adams in 1797, which explicitly states that America is not founded on the Christian religion.

          • Anonymous

            LOL, we’re governed by the Constitution. I don’t care if you mentioned it or not. 

            And here is the part you were asking for: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,”

            Deal with it. 

          • Anonymous

            atheism is a religion and therefor is also included into that article…

          • Anonymous

            If atheism is a religion, then off is a t.v. channel.

          • Anonymous

            Atheism is not a religion. Nice try. We’re a secular nation. 

        • I didn’t ask what “God” said — you said we in Maine had “made a decision to abandon Christ,” and I asked you to remind me how that could be, since I’d forgotten what it was Christ said about gays. You know very well he never said anything at all about the subject — and as far as I know, he never said anything at all about people’s private matters in general, including the way they pray, except to keep it a private matter — did you miss that?
          How would Jesus have voted on Question 1, I wonder? I thought it was he who said, Love thy neighbor as thyself.
          Oh, and I’m an atheist — but as usual, just pointing out some minor details in your myth that don’t really add up.

          • Bob

             Actually you do err, for you see the God of the old Testament is also the God of the New Testament.  If you read either the Old or the New Testament you would know that God does indeed condemn same sex sex.

            Read, for starters,  Leviticus 18, 19 and 20 and then read Romans chapter one.

            In closing you mention that you profess to be an atheist, please define atheist.   For i tend to doubt that you are.

          • Anonymous

            Atheist:  Lack of belief in a deity.  It’s that simple.

          • Anonymous

            I would be interested in your definition of atheist, if it differs from crs5012723, and why you doubted that he/she was not an atheist.

        • Anonymous

          The bible is also full of examples of judging fellow man. Apparently u need to read the whole thing before u start running off at the valve

          • Bob

             You cannot be that foolish, or can you be?  Yes the Bible does make mention of judge not… but Christ also said, Judge righteous judgement.  Do you not judge who you will vote for?  Do you now judge who you will associate with?  Have you not judged which preachers you will learn form and which you will ignore? 

            Are you not judging me?

          • Anonymous

            You are judging everyone on this forum and trying to shove your righteous attitude down everyones throats. The majority of the people spoke and voted in favor of SSM so be quiet already

          • Anonymous

            actually out of the 661,000 people who voted, the difference between the two was only approx 35K votes…not a solid mandate or consensus, but yes, did answer the referendum question…

        • Anonymous

          Bob, perhaps you should pay a little more attention to the NEW testament – you know, the one that is actually ABOUT Jesus, than the OLD testament.

          • Bob

             Jesus is the God of the old Testament, for it is God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost, One God, three facets, One God.

            I am one person, yet I am a father, a grandfather and a husband.  Three different facets, one man.

        • Anonymous

          That is only your own interpretation. God preached about love and tolerance and I believe that he would absolutely approve of two people, regardless of their sex, being in a loving and committed relationship and living a good life.
          By the way, God did not write the Bible but you people seem to forget that.

          • Bob

             I don’t do interpretations, I do translation and exhortation.

        • Anonymous

          Nope, there are only a small handful (less than 10) verses that can be misconstrued as against homosexuality. Those passages condemn rape and victimization though, not the blessed love that two people committed toward one another share.

          In contrast, the bible has verses throughout the old and new testament in support of slavery… yet we recognize that such a practice is abhorrent and goes against Jesus’ teachings that we should love one another, and help those less fortunate in our community.

        • Anonymous

          Pastor Bob do you follow all the rules laid out in Leviticus?

          • Bob

             Which rules in Leviticus 18, 19 and/or 20 would I want to not follow?

          • Anonymous

            Well, are you planning on killing anyone who makes fun of your religion like Leviticus says to do?

            “Bring forth him that hath cursed without the camp; and let all that heard him lay their hands upon his head, and let all the congregation stone him.
            15 And thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel, saying, Whosoever curseth his God shall bear his sin.

            16 And he that blasphemeth the name of the Lord, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the Lord, shall be put to death.” – Leviticus 24:14-16

            Because, if you are going to quote Leviticus and expect everyone to follow those rules, you better make sure you aren’t a hypocrite and actually follow ALL the rules, not just the onese that are convenient to you.

            Also, Leviticus 20 says to kill gay people, are you saying that you believe all gay people should be executed?

          • Anonymous

            Do you follow the laws as laid out in:

            Chapter 11 – Unclean animals
            Chapter 12 – Uncleanness caused by childbirth
            Chapter 13 – Unclean diseases
            Chapter 13 – Cleansing of diseases
            Chapter 14 – Unclean discharges
            Chapter 15 – Purification of the tabernacle from uncleanness

        • Anonymous

          Jesus affirmed a gay couple.  Read Matthew 8:5-13 and Luke 7:1-10.  From our days in Sunday school, many of us are familiar with the Gospel story where Jesus healed the servant of a Roman centurion.  In the original Greek, the word that the Roman centurion uses in this passage to describe the sick man – pais – is the same word used in ancient Greek to refer to a same-gender partner.          

          • Bob

             Now that is not only incorrect, but sick. 

          • Anonymous

            Was that the same Roman Centurion that uttered those famous words at the foot of Jesus upon his cruxifiction…, “He WAS the gay son of God”

        • Alec Cunningham

          What about female on female sex?  Is that okay?

          • Bob

             Now that is by far the best question/comment of the day.

            Lesbianism.  While it is not directly discussed by God, there is the general prohibition agsint fornication.  Fornication is any sex outside of marriage with one man and woman.

            So, no lesbianism is not allowed, but, it is not any where near in the league with male on male sodomy.

            That is the very short answer. 

          • Alec Cunningham

            Lucky dames, then!

          • Anonymous

            So gays and lesbians who are married are fine then.

        • Anonymous

          He destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah, not because of homosexuals but because of the brutality in which it’s citizens treated one another.  Their total lack of respect for each other and abandonment of the principles of God.  

          Click this link and watch this video.
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezQjNJUSraY&feature=player_embedded

          It is worth your time to understand BOTH sides of the issue and strive to be more Christ-like. Love NOT hate, Peace be with you NOT war amongst citizens. 

          • Bob

            NotAdirtyHippie,  Let me see if I have this right, you want me to ignore the word of God and go put my faith, trust and salvation in the hands of somebody that made a youtube video?    Now, you may not be a dirty hippie, but you sure as all get out cannot be serious in your suggestion.

            Let me explain something to you.  Your salvation, like mine is between you and God as mine was between me and God.   In this life there are but two paths, the path that leads to everlasting peace and the path that leads to everlasting damnation, there are no other paths, there is no purgatory.

            I have chosen my path, it is the only path articulated by the Lord God of Creation, when He said ” “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. ” your suggestion would lead me to believe that you have chosen the opposite path. 

        • Anonymous

          There is no reference to homosexuality in the New Testament, those books that detail the words of Jesus while He lived among us. Why do you think that is?

          We know all manner of sin hurts God. But where does he tell us that homosexuality is a sin? It was not written into the Law of Moses which His son, Jesus, lived by. In fact, we are asked to believe by mainstream Christianity, that Jesus was not married. That was odd for a man in those days where arranged marriages took place at an early age. 

          • Bob

             If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. Leviticus 20:13

            In Romans 1:16-32.

      • Bob

         Certainly,  “Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.” John 7:24 

        Judge not based upon feelings or what society dictates but judge with righteous judgement, in other words, judge based upon the word of God, not the word of men. 

        Now, let me ask you to show me any verses, used in context, that would suggest that one man sodomizing another is anything but unrighteous.  Feel free to use either the New or Old Testament. 

    • Anonymous

      The fact you have to direct people to the proper version and explain the correct translation strengthens my belief that this book was written by men with no divine intervention. If I was god I would have seen it was written it to be a bit more user friendly.

      • Anonymous

         Your comment is to foolish for me to even comment on.  Before commenting on the Word of God and His word,  one should read it first.

        • Anonymous

          I’m sorry it came across as foolish. I understand you have a strong belief in your god and believe your interpretation of the Bible is accurate. My point was why should others believe as you do when there are so many other religions, past and present, and so many interpretations of the Bible? For the record, I have read the Bible. It is on a shelf next to books by Lee Strobel, Chritopher Hitchens, Richard Dawkins and others.

          • Bob

             And I am sorry I snapped at you, but as to the why should others believe as I do question, I don’t know, you see, while I do evangelize, I would be more than content to be the only little brother of the Lord’s throughout eternity.

            But, I will say this, I am convinced that if one goes to the Lord in submission and gives his or her life to the Lord, they too will then have a hunger for, not commentary, but the Word of God and His word as it is written, not as some would have it be.

            I am also convinced that an individuals salvation is between him or her and Christ and not him or her and me.   While I can tell you how to get Saved, I cannot lead you to salvation, that is the Job of God the holy Spirit.

          • Anonymous

            And I am equally convinced, as are many others, that the existence of a supernatural being that created the universe is nonsense. I think we need to respectfully agree to disagree. 

        • Anonymous

          Well, I’m glad you chose not to respond to Soxfan2424 then.

          Oh, wait…

      • Anonymous

        The problem with “correct” translations is many of the books in the Bible were written in language that is no longer spoken, nor has been in a few hundred years or more. Those books were then translated into what was, hopefully, the best approximation of languages, that did not precise or exact translations, later coming into English with again, hopefully, the best approximations to words for which we have no exact matches.

        Even going back to the original language and trying to translate to English, scholars are up against the fact that this is no longer (and has not been for quite some time) a dynamic language with the capability to conform its words to current and evolving scenarios. It is difficult, at best, to predict, how the dialect of the region and the times, influenced the writings, and subsequently, translations from an ancient language to a modern language.  What we translate as condemnation, may be a perceived negative connotation, but perhaps not as severe as the word it translates into.

      • Bob

         Ah Sox Fan, a common misconception, the reason I direct people to those three is because I know those three, the original 1611 KJV, the original Geneva, and the ACP/KJV are literal translations, not interpretations.

        If you are looking for fact and truth you don’t mind doing a little work.  If you can read the US Constitution, or if you can read Shakespeare, you can read and understand the KJV.

    • Sectar114

      Yay! I am glad you recognize it.

    • Sherman2

      I think the damnation of people is a little above your paygrade…

      • Bob

         Where have i damned anyone?

    • Anonymous

      God condemns rape and victimization, not the love and honor two people committed toward one another share.

      • Bob

         Show me the Scripture condoning same sex sex, using either the KJV, the Geneva, or the ACP/KJV.

        • Anonymous

          Show me the scripture condoning the erection of high-rise buildings (like the Tower of Babel).  

        • Anonymous

          This passage sure seems to be a blessing for marriage in my book: Romans 9-18.

        • Anonymous

          The Bible is just a book written by man not God himself…

        • Anonymous

          Show me the part of the US or Maine Constitution where the Bible matters even one bit. 

        • Anonymous

          Who cares?

        • Anonymous
          • Anonymous

            Looks as though the comment I replied to was deleted…? okay…

        • Anonymous

          Your not holding your breath are you?

    • Anonymous

      Yes, we know why you would prefer we read that faked version of the Bible.  Modern Biblical scholars have proven the Bible was intentionally mistranslated relatively recently in order to provide “Biblical cover” for then-rising levels of homophobia.  For example, the word “homosexual” didn’t even exist until 1850.  Many major Christian and Jewish denominations condemn misusing the hate-based mistranslations to attack their fellow Americans and are marrying same gender American couples now.  About 400-years ago, a group of religious authorities (sanctioned by King James I of England), secretly manipulated the English version of the Bible to reflect their own heterosexual attitude; they opposed the king kissing other men in public. But in revised versions, religious authorities re-defined the Greek word “arsenokoites” of 1Corinthians 6:9!  The most accurate translation, abusers of themselves with mankind [KJV], was pretty vague.  Nevertheless, they replaced this vague 5-worded text with the not so vague and purposely targeted 1-word text, “homosexual(s).” Either way you cut it, this text does not describe homosexuals. This campaign gave those who were looking for a reason to justify their own homophobia a license to openly express their bigotry.
       

      • Anonymous

        carrotcakeman….we have a theologian in our midst….wow…
        “in order to provide “Biblical cover” for then-rising levels of homophobia”..i love a good ‘grassy knoll’ twist…
        Um, quick update, God did tell of the sin of a man and a man being together, but he referred to it as ‘being with’ or ‘knowing’ that person….so just because he didnt call it homosexuality…its still homosexuality… Also, God had many opportunities to voice his intentions of what relationships were to look like….it wouldn’t have been such a big deal that he took a rib from a man to make a woman…he could’ve picked anybody….oh wait…there wasn’t anybody else…damn, good thing God didn’t have a man and a man to start the creation of humans upon this world….
        By the way, the word ‘homophobia’ was created by homosexual activists to describe those who are against that lifestyle., a good scare word…..interesting it was created the same year that the mental condition ‘Homosexuality” was removed from the manual of mental disorders….probably just a coincident….
        Your little suspense tales are really good, please tell more Mr. Wizard….

    • Anonymous

      Pastor, the decision wasn’t to abandon the following of Christ, it was to finally move to reality!!!

      • Bob

         Reality is Christ and His teachings, all other is not reality but idolatry.

  • Anonymous

    Amazing how the hard core right wingers will claim they will defend the 2nd Amendment to their death, however they seem to be ok with ignoring the 14th Amendment. 

    • Anonymous

      Anti-gays didn’t just ignore the 14th Amendment, they actually tried to SUBVERT it.

  • Anonymous

    Hurricane Sandy was a drop in the bucket of God’s wrath. 

    • Anonymous

       hmm, and I thought it was climate change…

    • Anonymous

      Yeah – the Invisible Sky People cursed Maine and will change the rain from liquid to solid for the next 6 months.

      LOL!

    • Sectar114

      I really hope you’re kidding…

    • Anonymous

      Please send your address, Tedlick and I would LOVE to have you perform your stand-up routine at our wedding reception!

      • Anonymous

        Nice comeback!

    • Anonymous

      Your God seems to be full of hatred for His own creation.

      • Anonymous

        Wish I could hit the like button more than once!

    • Anonymous

      What “wrath” has come to Massachusetts?

      • Anonymous

        Boston drivers?

        • Anonymous

          ROFLOL they were a problem before 2004 but I couldn’t help but laugh out loud!

          • Anonymous

            Well, god is supposedly all knowing, so he probably retroactivly started punishing Mass. before the courts even decided.

      • Anonymous

        Their ex-governor lost.  Oh wait, that’s actually more of a blessing!

        • Anonymous

          Remember, after one term as governor, Mass. said “we aren’t doing THAT again”.

        • Alec Cunningham

          That dishy Scott Brown lost too…

        • Anonymous

          It’s too bad really….before the next four years are over the country will realize the mistake they mad last night.

    • Anonymous

      So you think God told a majority of Mainer voters to vote YES, huh?

    • Alec Cunningham

      But we didn’t get Sandy here….?????

  • Anonymous

    We Democratics lost as again.  I misjudged the passion of liberalism and assumed common sense would win out once behind the curtain.. Yet I hope that as a victory prize congress gives you what you want and ends the Bush Tax cuts.

    • Anonymous

      “We Democratics”

      Who do you think you’re kidding?

      • Anonymous

        there are no Democratics in liberlism

        • Alec Cunningham

          I REALLY like the Kodak Elite Chrome Extra Color EBX 100 Color Slide Film but it’s been discontinued.  I guess I’ll have to stick to Fujichrome Velvia 100 now…

  • Anonymous

    Those who were voted No, why do you worry so much.  If you view it as a sin, you still don’t have to do it. Do you know how many sins your fellow citizens have the free choice to commit and are not regulated by our government?  Do you not remember according to your beliefs God gave us free will?  Do you honestly think he expects you to force his word upon others when he doesn’t even do that himself?

    Times are a changin…move on.  And thank God,  I can say this….just go worry about what YOU DO.

    • Anonymous

      Well said.

    • Anonymous

      Yeah, well said. I like your username too.

  • Anonymous

    I think Jesus meant for you to read selections…not read selectively. Until you figure that out, why don’t you try to pray away the HATE !?

    • Anonymous

       or feed the hungry, house the homeless, go to NY and NJ and help the storm victims.  Do SOMETHING positive for a change…

      • Anonymous

        Nobody said this is a positive change..only for the 2% of population who lead this lifestyle….don’t get carried away here….it doesnt add anything good to society

        • Anonymous

          Correct, discriminating against 2% of the population doesn’t do anything good for society.

          Allowing ALL Maine families the opportunity for civil marriage DOES do a lot of good for Maine, though!

          • Anonymous

            The United States is now confirmed as a nation that supports abortion, homosexual marriage, a relationship with Islam, higher taxes, even higher debt, mandated government health care, porous borders….i think the problem here is much bigger than 2% of the population…even though you may think its the cats meow…

          • Anonymous

            Why is the relationship America has with Islam an issue??

          • Anonymous

            Hmmm…as I am ignorant, as you guys have told us “haters”…enlighten me….tell me…..what is the essence of the homosexual communities relationship with the Islam community and are there examples where the homosexual community has reached out to mainstream Islamic community here in America?…or in an islamic country for that matter?..I would like to see how THAT conversation went….

            Oh, sorry wasnt trying to dodge your question about ‘why the Islamic realtionsip”…This country has created a relationship with Islam without answering the basic question, do you support America as we are, with all the differences between us, and then start our relationship there..or is our relationship based on how to infiltrate the US culture to actually attack it from within or try to impose some middle eastern anit-society type laws into our culture…..like they have in thier culture…

          • Anonymous

            That is the beauty of being an American – you can pick and choose your religion without any ramifications. If you remember history class as a kid, we are not native to this country either – we imposed on the Native Americans, nearly wiping them out and making them convert to Christianity. We shouldn’t be imposing religion on anyone or trying to convert anyone that isn’t what you think of as a white, straight, Christian American citizen. Is that the country you hope for? I do believe that kinda went bad for a certain German dictator if I remember correctly…

          • Alec Cunningham

            I don’t see any of that as in “issue,” except for the debt and taxes, but that’s not really a partisan issue anymore.

            Reminds me of the Crossroads GPS mailers that warned me about Obama’s support for SSM.  

            I love cats!!!

        •  wrong. It adds civilization to society — you know, where everyone is treated equally under the law?

          • Anonymous

            Yes, homosexuality ‘adds’ to the civilization of society…….One thing is true, the Homosexual community is in the throes of a crisis with Aids. 1 in 5 dont even know they are infected…17K die each year……This disease is statistically completely within the Gay, bisexual community and the deviant, dangerous sexual behavior will continue to put alot of people at risk. There is also a racial part to this disease that the gay community would never acknowledge…young black men are 3 times at risk for contracting aids than the next color…The black population in America is only approx 14%….but new aids cases among this group is almost 50% as well as ALL cases (44%) they are WAY over represented in this health crisis with no meaningful attempts to slow its spread among this group………If the Gay community wanted to be respected, they would have certainly started by addressing this health crisis within thier own community. This health crisis only statistically exists within the homosexual community. Ok, Aids is not a ‘gay disease’..but the behavior of unprotected anal sex is THE main cause of aids transmission…in which homosexuals are the main participants….. When the homosexual community speaks of wanting dignity or rights….they mean selfishly for themselves. When you see all the pictures of caring committed couples and the “just want to be free to be me”…there is a dark component that then gay community ignores…not hoping it wont go away (psst, Aids doesn’t go away) but that no one will notice it….
            Oh, there are lot websites that provide aids info and even health type clinics to help the gay community prevent the spread of aids…but then they all have a “links” section….this section turns into a forum to meet ‘new’ people in the gay community…and most have a section for young men and teens….This is not about marriage or having the right to marry who you want…..you can make up your own mind what it is about, but there is a crisis within this community that has been left in the closet and to expose it will surely bring wrath to those who highlight this crisis…there are many health crisis’ in America…substance abuse, mental health, obesity…but they have connections to all humans….The homosexual community has a crisis on thier hands and maybe they should spend a little more time trying to control its spread among people who choose this lifestyle….wait…I am wrong….a life of misery is a human right and we should not impede upon this group to practice it….relax…we’ll also pick up the tab…just for you….see I am compassionate…

          • There are only three words in your whole post that are correct, and they are towards the end.  “…I am wrong…”

          • Anonymous

            I need a towel as you are dripping with compassion and understanding of different views.

            I’ll get the presses rolling for the t-shirts to spread your message:
            “You are wrong if you disagree with me”

          • Anonymous

            Valid disagreement with untruths.

          • No need to waste time and money on a t-shirt that I won’t wear.  Your post is untrue and therefore wrong.  Unless you can provide a reliable source for your statistics, I stand by my post. 

          • Alec Cunningham

            Woah!  That was like a flashback to 1985…!  

          • Anonymous

            I wont tell you how your wrong…but you are wrong….riveting argument….riveting….

        • Anonymous

          This affects many more than just the couples who want to marry.  A large group of the population has loved ones, friends and colleagues who are gay.  They also are impacted by the discrimination that this population has experienced.  No one will make you accept their lifestyle or their marriages.  They want the same equality for everyone.  Period.  Now we have a beginning to make that happen.  Yay for them!

        • Anonymous

          “it doesnt add anything good to society”

          That’s a lie.  ANY couple that is legally married means both people take care of each other instead of becoming burdens on government.

        • Anonymous

          doesn’t matter if it passe by 1 vote it passed and you lost….

  • Anonymous

    Last night marriage went *poof* and disappeared.

    not.

    Yessah

  • Anonymous

    I am proud to be a Maine resident this morning. The government, nor the church do not have the right to dictate who can and cannot get married, IMO. The church does, however, have the right to choose who they allow to get married within their walls. Try to keep some civility here people.  Every person has the right to their own belief system, just because you do not agree does not make them wrong. Just as you are not wrong either.

    • Anonymous

      These denominations have married same gender couples in 7 US States and the District of Columbia:

      The Association of Welcoming and Affirming Baptists
      The Episcopal Church
      Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
      Metropolitan Community Church
      Conservative Judaism
      Reform Judaism
      Religious Society of Friends (Quakers)
      Unitarian Universalist Church
      United Church of Christ

      No self-respecting same gender couples will want to get married in an anti-gay “church.”

      • Anonymous

        I was not saying that all churches would refuse to marry same sex couples, and you are right about them likely not wanting to get married in an anti-gay church. I think it is great that the above mentioned churches will may same sex couples!

  • Anonymous

    Start calling in teams of divorce lawyers.

    Every existing heterosexual marriage in the state of Maine will now end.

    Sure they will.

  • Anonymous

    You are misguided in your statement. First off, same sex couples can provide the same emotional needs to children regardless of their sexual orientation. How is this any different than a single parent, grandparents or other family members that are not “Mom and Dad” from raising a child?
    Second, my son’s school DID notify parents, well in advance in fact, about their sex education classes and what it entails. As for Massachusetts and the Catholic adoption agencies, that was their choice to close down because they won’t allow gay couples to adopt. I do not feel for them because they have closed their eyes and their hearts to couples of the same sex who only want to love and raise a child that otherwise, will be sitting in an “orphange” or subjected to many foster care homes and not being in a stable environment.

    • Anonymous

      “Orphanage”! Those have not been around for decades. You must be living in a different world as the rest of us. At any rate, evidence is increasing children do better with a mom and a dad. Maine like other states that endorse gay relationships will begin the gradual process of marginalizing dads, that is, the role of dads will become dispensable.

      • Anonymous

        Well, except for the fact that the evidence show the opposite. And don’t even think about bringing but the Regnerus study.  It didn’t look at children raised by same sex couples, it looked a children raised in broken homes.  But, you go on, keep lying for your agenda. You lost and you will continue to do so.

      • Anonymous

        Oh excuse me, group homes rather than orphanages. Sorry to be so politically incorrect (sarcasm)… Please show us your research links!

        • Anonymous

          The only thing he has that “proves” gay parents are bad is a recent study that didn’t even look at gay parents.

      • Anonymous

        so if you’re a stand-up guy who wants to marry a woman and be a good dad, you’ll think twice about it now because your lesbian neighbors can get married?

      • Anonymous

        Actually, many states have “group homes” or institutional settings where children removed from their homes, due to death, disability, or failure of parents, are placed. Not orphanages, technically, because many of these children are not orphans, or even unwanted, but they do not have suitable (in the eyes of those states) homes. 

        In my opinion, many gay couples might make ideal parents for some of these kids. The majority of kids in these situations really need someone to love them. Kids are welcomed into gay homes, or better worded homes where a couple has a gay relationship, because these couples cannot conceive in the traditional way. But a lot of heterosexual couples cannot either, that is why there are alternative ways to conceive. There are no unwanted children in the gay relationship homes. These couples don’t have kids by accident. Every child is planned for and wanted.

  • Anonymous

    Traditional feminine and masculine roles, as you espouse, aren’t good for anybody when they are the enforced norm.  They promote the subordination of women (always forced into the classification of “feminine”) to men.   They promote rigid roles and lack of communication.

    We’re moving on, beyond the times when women had to wear dresses, sweep the floor and cater to her husband’s every emotional need.  It’s two-way now.  It’s true freedom now, freedom to express who you are beyond the straitjacket of the repressive 50’s-style view of gender.

    • Melora

       All psychology proves that a child best develops with both a mom and dad.  ALL studies have shown this.  So allowing same-sex “marriage” is against science too.  It is only the result of the “politically correct” who already have lost all moral foundations.

      • Anonymous

        “ALL studies have shown this. ” – Well, except for the fact that all studies have show that same sex parents do just as well.  But, don’t let “reality” get in the way of your rant.  Everyone knows that “facts” haven’t stopped you before.

        P.S.  Melora sounds like a woman’s name.  If you believe so much in your bible, I would direct you to 1 Timothy 2:12
        “I do not permit a woman to teach or to hold authority over a man, she must remain silent”

      • Anonymous

        How can *all* of psychology prove a child best develops with both mom and dad when there are some studies that show a child can develop just as well with a single parent or even grandparents where neither mom nor dad are present?

      • Anonymous

        This is not correct. The American Psychological Association and the American Academy of Pediatrics both support marriage equality because their many scientific studies have found no significant disadvantage to the children of gay or lesbian couples.

    • Anonymous

      The reality is that women are no longer subordinate to men. In fact men have been mistreated in divorce cases for decades and decades, particularly in Maine. Now with state endorsement of same-sex relationships men roles as dad will be further marginalize to the point where more and more children will be raised without dads. If you think this is a good thing, think again. It’s a well known fact children raised without a dad are much more likely to end up being incarcerated for felonies than children raised by a mom and a dad. The destruction of the black family is a perfect example of that. Many black men end up being locked up for serious crimes against society in a far greater proportion then white men.

      If you respond, please stick with the facts.

      • Anonymous

        You should be sticking to the facts yourself before you start spewing these lies. So, you think that women should still be suborninate to men? Do you still believe in the suppression of African Americans?

        • Anonymous

          I think neither the oppression of women, or blacks, or anyone else is right. I think my comment makes that very clear. 

          • Anonymous

            Except for queers, you are all for the oppresion of queers.  I mean, how dare they ask to be treated as equal citizens.

          • Anonymous

            You are equal in dignity before the law. It’s just that you have an acquired adddiction to same sex just as alcoholics have an acquired addiction to alcohol.

          • Anonymous

            Really?  So the loving, committed relationship I have with my boyfriend is nothing more than a disorder to you?  You are an embarassment to this country.  You have no heart and seem to be devoid of compassion.  Just because no one is able to love someone as evil as you doesn’t mean that anyone else who finds love is suffering from a disorder.

          • Anonymous

            Is heterosexual behavior an addiction as well?

          • Anonymous

            No, you are wrong – you talked about how men get the short end of the stick when in a divorce, discrimanating against African Americans and the “white man” saying that they are basically all criminals. You really need to go back and check your statement again. I find it to be quite vile and you sir, suffer from a strong case of word vomit. I suggest you just give up commenting on this issue – you have spewed enough garbage…

          • Anonymous

            If you can’t stand the heat get out of the kitchen where you obviously don’t belong.

          • Anonymous

            I could say the same for you, bigot.

          • Anonymous

            The fact you resort to name calling only reinforces my point: You’re too emotionally taken by the arguments against SSM. This is not something bad in itself. Understandably some things people say sometimes hit a sore spot. But your response like that of many regular posters is not helpful to anyone including yourself. You might want to ponder on this.

          • Anonymous

            It’s not name calling, it’s giving you the title you have earned.  I’m also not going to let a bigot like you give me “life advice”.  Maybe you could possibly learn to mind your own damn business.

          • Anonymous

            crs5012723, If you want to continue living in slime that’s your choice. Another piece of advice: don’t expect to continue name calling and not getting repercussions. To be forewarned is to be forearmed. Also, don’t expect the world to change for you. It won’t.

          • Anonymous

            If you want to keep living in bigotry, that’s your choice.  Another piece of advice: don’t expect to continue attempting to deny people their rights and not getting repercussions.  Don’t expect reality to bend to your bigotry and ignorance. It won’t.  Have a nice life, bigot, and hopefully you’ll eventually see how terrible you have been.  But, that’s unlikely, because I doubt you have the ability to “feel” anything. 

          • Anonymous

            See my response to your comment to me beginning with “It’s not name calling…”

          • Anonymous

            And see my comment about how you have earned that title, bigot.

      • Anonymous

        Why would it marginalize dads?  If two men raise a child then aren’t there twice as many dads?

      • Anonymous

        I see no facts in this post. I fail to see a relationship between same-sex marriage and “marginalization” of mens’ role as Dads. 

        In my own experience, Dads are the ones who walk out far more than mothers. We carry and give birth to our children (for the most part) and while I might choose to leave my husband, I would never leave my kids. 

        You have a point, that men have not always received a fair shake in custody and divorce situations, but I fail to see where same sex marriage or relationships have impacted that. Unless, a father has, well in the past, chosen a same sex relationship, then by your own “facts”, is not as well suited as the mother to have custody of his child(ren). Depending on the stability of the new relationship, that is something I would disagree with. But then, depending on the stability of a new relationship of a heterosexual mother who has custody, perhaps a stable, same sex home would be a better choice.

        I think some of the discrimination in parental rights may be more historical. Traditionally, it was the father who went out and earned a living and provided for the family. This has obviously changed and more and more working, non custodial, mothers are being ordered to pay child support. I think the historic model saw more fathers who were unavailable because they were providing for their families and not able to supervise the day to day activities of growing children. 

        It seems to me that the historic model is more and more falling away and it seems to me that same sex marriage, being less than traditional, will forced even more family courts and family court workers to consider the individual parent as guardian(s)  for minors.

  • Anonymous

    Homosexuality is addressed in the Bible. There we see what appears to be a condemnation, but I would suggest that, in part, this is due to translations issues. However, this proves that that homosexuality has been around about as long as mankind. I doubt that will change.

    I support same sex marriage. Everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion on the subject, but Question 1, in my mind, was never about whether or not I approve of homosexuality. It is about whether or not I support giving those members of our society equal rights under the law. I fail to see how allowing same sex couples the same tax shelters, insurance benefits, and retirement shelters, is going to cause an ungluing of the moral fiber of this nation. 

    I was happily married, am now widowed, with children, grandchildren and great grandchildren. To date, no member of my biological family is gay, but in the extended family, yes, there are members who are gay. I love these members of my family just as much as those who are heterosexual, and I very much want to see them enjoy all the benefits that this country offers to married couples.

    More importantly, I believe it is not my job to judge anyone’s sexual preferences or actions. It is not my job to judge anyone’s sins or lack thereof. That realm belongs to the God that I believe in and I am very happy to leave that job to Him.

    • Anonymous

      To love someone doesn’t mean you can’t disagree with them. I too have relatives who are gay. I can assure you they will not be satisfied with gay marriage until homosexual relationships are fully accepted in society. That however will never happen unless people are forced to accept it as I’ve already suggested. Regrettably the referendum was about gays themselves, not children. That is, the focus of civil marriage has now shifted to adult relationships at the expense of children.

      • Anonymous

        The referendum was not about being homosexual. That has existed since biblical times and probably before. Some will accept it some will not. I suspect personally, that homosexuality will be around as long as mankind is around. 

        The referendum was not even really about whether or not you (or I) approve of homosexual relationships. It was about whether or not, those non traditional couple should have the same rights given to the traditional married couple. I voted yes, because I believe that all people should have the right to a committed relationship and to all of the obligations and benefits that entails.

        • Anonymous

          Although much of the rants the least couple of weeks were blatant condemnation of gays and not really about the legality of SSM.

        • Anonymous

          I believe as you do concerning the right of people to have a committed relationship. State endorsement is not necessary for that to happen, however. Furthermore the obligations and benefits marriage entails is needed to help ensure children that may ensue in the relationship have the best opportunities life affords. Given that gay relationships are far less stable than heterosexual relationships, it makes no sense to endorse the former.

          The leading people behind the effort to gain state and federal endorsements of gay relationships see those endorsements as a stepping stone to forcing society to accept homosexual behavior on par with heterosexual behavior. Those who refuse to comply will be punished for not doing so. 

          • Anonymous

             Where is your documentation that “gay relationships are far less stable than heterosexual relationships” — cold hard facts, please?    Considering the divorce rate and the hooking up and unhooking of heteros, I think you are going to have a hard time justifying your “fact”.

          • Anonymous

            I already have given a reference. In case you missed it I will post here again, but please wait until I edit this comment. It’s the only way I know how to post a web reference successfully.

            Here’s the reference:

            http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2012/06/gay_parents_are_they_really_no_different_.2.html

          • Anonymous

            “Given that gay relationships are far less stable than heterosexual relationships, it makes no sense to endorse the former.” We’re just making stuff up now? The election is over you know…. You do understand that disallowing same sex marriage doesn’t decrease or eliminate homosexuality, or even make it go underground? Or anything? It just denies rights to others that you enjoy. And denying rights to others opens the door to rights being denied you. Stop it. Go live your life and leave everyone else to live theirs. If you are not a homosexual this law does not affect your life in any way and has nothing to do with your relationship with your God or anything that happens in your bedroom and pretending it does just proves that bigotry is blind and wears a clerical frock…

      • April Cottle

         PLEASE explain how children get hurt by this?! My children’s school help mock elections and BOTH voted Yes on 1….even kids understand that discrimination is WRONG! Hell, we teach them that from the time that they are in diapers, play with everyone, take turns, be nice….why then do you tell them AS LONG AS they think the same way we do…? Being an accepting person is not wrong and absolutely NOT hurtful to anyone, ESPECIALLY children! <3

        • Anonymous

          People can think what they want about state endorsement of same-sex relationships, however the fact remains, children tend to be better off with a mom and a dad than with gay parents. The recent Regnerus study on this topic, by far the largest of this sort, demonstrates that.

          • Anonymous

            Really, how could it do that if it only looked at two same sex couples raising children?  You are a disgusting liar and the voters saw right through your bigotry.

          • Anonymous

            All in all the study headed by Professor Regnerus interviewed 15,000 people selected randomly. Of those interviewed, many had parents that had same-sex relationships.

          • Anonymous

            Except they weren’t raised by those parents.  Out of the thousands of people, two were actuall raised by a lesbian couple.  The rest were the results of a broken homes.  You just keep on lying, don’t you.  To you, dogma is more important than the well being of children.  You are a disgrace. 

          • Anonymous

            The readers can judge for themselves who is right, poster crs5012723 or me. Here’s a summary piece of the study from Professor Regnerus himself.

            http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2012/06/gay_parents_are_they_really_no_different_.2.html

          • Anonymous

            Hmm lets see what he has to say:
            “We didn’t have as many intact lesbian and gay families as we hoped to evaluate, ”
            “Let me be clear: I’m not claiming that sexual orientation is at fault here, or that I know about kids who are presently being raised by gay or lesbian parents”

            Seems like his studiy showed that children from broken homes years ago do not do as well.  Studies about same sex parents NOW show no difference.  Are you going to keep lying about the results?

          • Anonymous

            Reply to crs501272:

            You obviously did not read the entire summary by Professor Regnerus. The professor is obviously being cautious in his assessment of the study. He is not blaming sexual orientation. As a neutral observer he is simply refusing to pass judgement on gay parents, as he later explained by what meant by the comment you cited. Again, you need to read the entire content and not just pick and choose wording out of context. It needs to be said, so far since the study was released, the professor has been under intense pressure to resign his professorship and retract his own assessment. The professor doesn’t appear to be budging at this point.

          • Anonymous

            You’re hopeless.  Your shriveled black heart is unable to see how horrible you actually are.  Until you stop lying about same sex couples and their children, you are a lost cause.  I hope that eventually you see how bigoted you are, but I doubt that will ever happen.  In the words of Barney Frank:
            “On what planet do you spend most of your time? Trying to have a conversation with you would be like trying to argue with a dining room table… I have no interest in doing it.”

          • Tedlick Badkey

            Then ban divorce.

            Ban marriage without procreation.

            Ban birth out of wedlock.

            Or face the fact that your hypocrisy knows no bounds.

            Regnerus’ study on the topic was paid for by people who stood to gain from his findings… it’s considered tripe.

          • Anonymous

            Exactly! Many previous studies showed that the children of lesbian couples were just as well raised as the kids of heterosexual couples. Single parents have been shown by many studies to be less effective parents (but some of their kids do fine like President Obama). Yet we don’t force single parents to give up their kids to couples. It’s too bad that there have not been adequate studies of the children of gay male couples, but there is no reason to assume they will be bad parents on average (only people who suffer from dogmatic prejudices will make such assumptions).

          • Anonymous

            November 6, 2012: The day these lies stopped working.

        • Anonymous

          Because they are being led to believe that evil is good and good is evil. That filth is clean and clean is filth.
          You will give account for corrupting little children’s young impressionable minds with your error.
          “It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones. ”
          (Luke 17:2) These are the Words of Jesus Himself.

          • Anonymous

            Jesus, if he existed, would not have spoken English.

          • Anonymous

            He spoke Aramaic.

        • Anonymous

          I agree with you. Being an accepting person is a good thing. This doesn’t mean we should agree on everything. It doesn’t mean I have to accept state endorsement of same-sex relationships as a good thing. Many in this post have trouble seeing that difference. I’m sorry, but you need to understand acceptance of homosexuality will never be the norm in society even though it may gain greater acceptance than it has achieved at this point. Those who purport to differ on this point will always feel disillusioned.

          • Alec Cunningham

            You do not know this, though.

          • Anonymous

            The same thing was said about interracial marriages.  Thankfully, bigots like you are dying out.

    • April Cottle

       AND not everyone believes in God thus the reason that religion needs to STAY out of politics!

      • Anonymous

        You say religion needs to stay out of politics. How would you propose doing that except by denying people free speech and the freedom to vote in accordance to their consciences?

      • Anonymous

        NOT everybody believes in Gays either!

        • Alec Cunningham

          You mean, like, we don’t exist?!?!?

          • Anonymous

            I guess thats a matter of interpretation 

      • Anonymous

        Organized religion should stay out of politics. However, I have my faith (and I do realize that not everyone believes the way I do) and it does come into play on some matters when I vote. It is a very big part of who I am, at least as I see it, so while I might not appreciate input from my church, I will vote according to my conscience. Many believers, and non-believers, will do the same. 

        I have tried to be careful here to reference my beliefs as the “God I believe in”. This country was founded on the principles of freedom of religion and freedom of speech, and so in my comments, I believe I have the right to have that discussion with those whose religious views may differ from my own.

        Your choice to not believe is your right and I respect your position.

    • Anonymous

       Two different  States of Maine.

    • Anonymous

      Unfortunately the Bible was not written by GOD or Jesus but rather men who had their own biases, short comings,  and fallibilities.   A human is a human is a human….the love between them is LOVE no matter what their gender.  Get real lady

  • No one will be silenced. Object all you want. It’s your right.

    I think there are many laws that are unjust, and will vocally speak against them. You should do the same if you feel strongly. That however, does not mean you will succeed or won’t be ignored.

  • Sherman2

    Your quote “homosexuality is now taught in public schools” is misleading and disegenuous… yet often used.  It implys that schools are teaching kids how to BE homosexual, which is absurd.  They are made aware of homsexuality and to be tolerant of those who choose to live their lives in the way that suits them.  Many would like to keep these Americans in the closet of guilt and public derision,  like you obviously would like to do.
    This is a great day for ALL of my gay friends, CONGRATULATIONS!   And I am proud to be a Mainer that voted yes, and I am proud of Maine for having the courage. 

    • Anonymous

       I attended public schools in the 60’s and 70’s and learned all kinds of myths – including myths about homosexuals.  Maybe public school students will now receive factual information about sexuality instead of the whispered lies and misconceptions that seem to be the basis for the opinions of the anti-SSM believers.

  • Anonymous

    You can complain all you want, but after this election, it is clear that your side is dying out.  Have fun fading into obscurity.

    • Anonymous

      Have fun in you fight with Washington, especially at tax time.  Me thinks you too will be faded into obscurity by the time that fight has even begun.

      • Anonymous

        You mean over DOMA, the law that five different courts have found unconstitutional?  Sweetie, that fight is almost over, you’re a bit behind.

  • Anonymous

    What a shame that Maine is now known as a landmark state for homosexual marriage.
    What people are not realizing is that this is a “special right, ” which will be taken to dimensions that we can not even fathom now.

    • Anonymous

      Civil marriage is indeed a special right, and Mainers have agreed that it should be offered equally to ALL Maine families.

      Maine has once again led the nation on an important issue of equality, just as we did with interracial marriage and women’s suffrage.

      Don’t worry, Tedlick and I won’t make you come to our wedding, your life doesn’t have to change one bit.

      • Anonymous

        Congrats on this passing!

      • Anonymous

        Hope to see your wedding announcement in the paper soon :)

        • Anonymous

          Lots of planning to do!

          I’m hoping we can get SonofBangor to perform his stand-up routine at the reception.

    • Tedlick Badkey

      It’s not a “special right”. It applies to all.

      Even you can marry someone of the same sex now.

    • Anonymous

      Just like it has in Massachusetts where SSM has been legal since 2004?

    • Anonymous

      No, it’s mixed-sex couples who have had a special right, and that ends in about 30 days.

  • Anonymous

    I am incredulous that you could be so wrong, on so many points, in such a relatively short comment.  Allow me to refute your ill conceived points.

    Same sex marriage should indeed be guaranteed on a Federal level.  I hope that one day soon the Supreme Court rules in favor of equal rights for ALL Americans.  It is a travesty of our political system that the U.S. Congress and Supreme Court have not made it unquestionably clear that the rights of American citizens are to be applied equally to everyone in our country regardless of how these citizens might be different from their neighbors.  Race, religion, gender, sexual orientation, economic status, none of these should be relevant in the application of equal rights for all.

    Two adults can indeed meet the emotional needs of a child regardless of their sexual orientation.  By your account a single parent cannot raise a child and that has been proven wrong literally millions of times.

    I don’t know what you mean by “normalization” of same sex behavior.  Sexual orientation is inherent in the individual, not a learned behavior.

    The issue of teaching same sex orientation in schools is total BS, ridiculous in the extreme.  However if you mean that teaching tolerance in school is a bad thing then, once more, I disagree with you.

    No person is silenced in America.  Isn’t that really beautiful.  Freedom of speech is guaranteed.  So once again, you are incorrect.

    Catholic adoption agencies being shut down?  WTF?  I think what you mean to say is that any non-profit which receives public monies must not discriminate.  If an adoption agency chooses to shut down rather than comply with this requirement that is their business.  Alternatively they could forego the public funding.  No problem.

    Mainers have indeed been educated about the ramifications surrounding equal rights for ALL Americans.  Well, with the notable exception of a few people like yourself.  It amazes me that someone smart enough to use a computer and log on to the BDN comment section can actually still believe and endorse the idiotic, unpatriotic, bigoted, view that you espouse.

    • Anonymous

      And if all else fails w/your attempt to teach whawell, watchdogME, you could always take the old Sarah Palin route and “refudiate” his misinformation.

  • Anonymous

    edited by author.

  • Anonymous

    Let’s move on as a state and work on healthcare and the economy with as much money and energy that was placed on this law.

  • Whawell said:

    “Two moms and two dads can never amount to a mom and a dad in terms of providing for the emotional needs of children.”

    One should learn the difference between facts and beliefs, whawell.

    • Anonymous

      Look up the recent Regnerus study. It’s quite explicit as to what type of relationships children tend to be better off in. If you are not inclined to read the entire study, at least read the summary by Professor Regnerus.

      • Anonymous

        You really can’t stop lying can you.  Tell me, how can a study look at same sex couples raising children when it only looked at two same sex couples.  The rest were from broken homes, NOT raised by a stable same sex couple.  You really will lie through your teeth to hurt gay people and their children, won’t you?

      • Anonymous

        November 6, 2012: The date these lies stopped working.

      • Anonymous

        And when they look it up, they will learn it has been CONDEMNED by all legitimate scientists AND anti-gays paid for it.

  • Anonymous

    Well, that’s incorrect. In 2009 Maine’s legislature extended civil marriage rights to same-sex couples.

    So yes, marriage WAS a right for us, and now— it is again!

    I hope you can open your eyes and your heart to see that this has no ill effect on you or your life. I certainly am not going to force you to attend my wedding.

    • Melora

       It will never be a right. Slavery was legal for years in US but it did not make it a moral right.  God has told us through the Old and New Testament how evil homosexual practices are–it denies one heaven (so says St. Paul).  So, those who wish to follow Truth will do so. Those who wish to follow the evil one, will confirm same-sex marriage and continue in darkness.  It is their choice, obviously, if they wish to do what is wrong.  Just because it is legal never makes it morally right. Most other nations have laws that are also morally unjust but they enforce them as “legal”.

      • Millicent

        this is all religion that you are using to make your argument. It’s a moot argument as the US does not have state sanctioned religion. We are a country of many different beliefs, and you can not force us who do not hold the same beliefs to live by yours. 

        I believe in the Constitution – I believe that we’re all created equal, with the rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Our constitution comes before your religion. 

        • Anonymous

          Moreover, how dare those “christian” loud mouthed hypocrites  interfere with the beliefs of the many Christians and the Churches  that do believe in gay marriage, if their only point is that YOU 
          PEOPLE can ‘t … because you must respect my religion…
          while I need not respect others regilous beliefs !

      • Tedlick Badkey

        Keep it up… your continued insistence on mythology insures you’ll lose at the federal level next.

      • Anonymous

         you too, keep spouting this please!!!  It’s what helped it pass….

      • Anonymous

        God condemns rape and victimization, not love.

        The bible says far more in support of slavery than it says against homosexuality, yet we realize today that treating each other humanely is what the spirit of the Gospel compels of us. The same should be considered for the handful of biblical passages misinterpreted to stand against gays and lesbians living moral, wholesome lives together.

      • Anonymous

        It is legally a right in Massachusetts. My husband and I are coming up on our 5th anniversary of exercising this right on this coming Saturday (5 years married, 21 years together in total).

        • Anonymous

          Congratulations.

      • Anonymous

        The same Bible you read was used to justify slavery as the right of the master. But religion is moot, while the US Constitution is clear and rights belong to all of us, to We the People, not to any government or church.

      • Anonymous

        I see why you won’t enter into a SSM.  Why can’t anyone else?

  • Anonymous

    Awww, your lies didn’t work out. Too bad. Equality and justice for all. Deal with it!

  • Anonymous

    “The fact remains, marriage… needs to be strengthened and promoted for future generations.” This sounds like it could be a quote from either side. From the article, it is the No on 1 side.  And they couldn’t be more right.  Maine took a step in the right direction last night, proving to our child and our childrens children, love and marriage are hopes of all couples. Black, white, gay, lesbian, All committed couples can now enjoy loving each other forever, in sickness and in health, in good times and bad, for as long as they both shall live.  Congrats Maine. 

    • Anonymous

      umm just what are same sex marriages going to do to strengthen future generations…there aren’t going to be any future generations that come from a same sex marriage…. I guess they’re gonna just outsource that part of marriage. 

      • Anonymous

        “aren’t going to be any future generations that come from a same sex marriage”

        Wrong!  Just WHO claims same gender couples “don’t procreate”?  The Child Welfare League of America says there are at least NINE MILLION children of same gender parents.

        “Question: How Many Children Have Gay Parents in the US?

        According to the Child Welfare Information Gateway, between 8 and 10 million children are being raised in gay and lesbian families.”

        http://adoption.about.com/od/gaylesbian/f/gayparents.htm

        ” A 1995 National Health and Social Life Survey by E.O. Lauman found that up to nine million children in America have gay or lesbian parents (Committee on Psychosocial Aspects of Child and Family Health, 2002). ”

        http://www.cwla.org/programs/culture/glbtqposition.htm

        Before some anti-gay tells that standard anti-gay LIE that same gender parents are somehow inferior to mixed-sex parents:

        “A growing body of scientific literature demonstrates that children who grow up with 1 or 2 gay and/or lesbian parents fare as well in emotional, cognitive, social, and sexual functioning as do children whose parents are heterosexual. Children’s optimal development seems to be influenced more by the nature of the relationships and interactions within the family unit than by the particular structural form it takes.”

        http://aappolicy.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/pediatrics;109/2/341

        • Anonymous

          wow, thats quite a stat…seeing there are only 2 to 4 million homosexuals in the country…..thats like 4 to 5 kids each…..

          •  where do you get “2 to 4 million”? I’m sure the number is much higher than that.

          • Anonymous

            He’s just lying.  Anti-gays like to pretend there are more anti-gays than LGBT Americans.  There aren’t.

        • Anonymous

          line up all the stats you want 2 men have yet to make a baby… same for 2 women….and you know it

          • Alec Cunningham

            No one has ever said that they do, “and you know it.”  So what’s your point?

          • Anonymous

            How our children come into the world is no excuse for anti-gays trying to HURT them.

      • Anonymous

        November 6, 2012: the day these lies stopped working.

      • Alec Cunningham

        Well, if only 2% of the population is gay, and it’s going to be a percentage of those who are going to marry, then that seems like it will be a very small number of gay marriages.  So what?

        Yeah, we might “outsource” the procreation part-we’d be using technology and techniques that were invented and perfected for straight couples.  So what?

      • Anonymous

        Hopefully it will stop the prejudice against this segment of society. Maybe with the same rights as the rest of America, our future generations will be more tolerant of same sex couples.

        As for your outsourcing remark. That was callous. When you wrote that, did you consider all of the infertile couples who seek alternative methods of conception?  Do you think that they “outsourced” that part of their marriages too? 

    • Anonymous

      might not want to add the african american gay population in here quite yet…..out of all new aids cases, the african american young males are 44% of them…..kinda of an odd stat, because african americans are just 14% of the population but yet are 44% of all new infections..all young ….a little over represented I would say….uh, oh….the gay community want to try to snap a lid on that…..oh, just kidding…..the homosexual community has capped the aids health crisis quite nicely and kept those numbers under thier rainbow …dont worry, the number of people who read this page is pretty small….Its all about love and…um, dignity and…same rights…..an uncontrolled raging health crisis can certainly be addressed at a later date….besides love and marriage and hope all trump that…

      • Anonymous

        Encouraging more couples to be monogamous and enter into civil marriage certainly does help reduce the spread of STDs.

      • Anonymous

        As you read these statistics, say to yourself, heterosexual people get AIDS too. One of the saddest things I did as a healthcare worker was take daily x-rays of a husband dying of pneumocystis pneumonia. His wife camped by his bedside until he died. He was 31. He was neither gay nor an IV drug user, he contracted the disease from a blood transfusion, something that does not happen today.

        Many of my co-workers would not “risk” working with this patient. I used all of the recommended precautions, which might have been less back then, and I survived as I assumed I would.

        AIDS is a devastating disease and it affects all races, ages, and other defined segments of our society. It is NOT limited to the gay community. Your statistics prove that.

  • Anonymous

    This is a great day for Civil Rights.  My faith in Mainers is restored.  My husband, our kids, and many of my colleagues are so happy for the families who can finally have equality.  Strengthening families through marriage, whatever the composition, is so important to our society.  Way to go Maine!  

  • Anonymous

    Dinosaurs tend to go extinct.

    • Anonymous

      How true, WVOM.  Nature takes care of things-survival of the fittest, you know.  Maybe the ones w/frail genetic makeup will fade into obscurity where they came from.

  • hey, I got news for you: homosexuality has been around since the dawn of time, since humans walked upright; therefore, it is normal and part of God’s creation. Deal with it.

    • Melora

       It is not a normal part of God’s creation. It is a  symptom of original sin, just as all disordered natures are.  All humans have the choice to offer up their unnatural inclinations as a cross to bear but they should not assume God okayed it. It says in the Old and New Testament that homosexual behaviors deny one the right to heaven.  So, yes, people will decide now whether they wish to follow God and go to heaven someday.  Or they choose to follow their unnatural desires and do evil–thus denying a place in heaven because they go against God.  It is very clear cut in the Bible, but people will continue to sin just as they have during Jesus time.

      • Tedlick Badkey

        God is a choice… not law.

      • Anonymous

         Why is it then that homosexuality is observed in most species throughout the world.  It has been observed in just about every species on the planet.  The only species that is against it?  Humans.  It is funny what bible thumpers choose to fight for, I don’t see anyone fighting to make tattoos illegal, yet they are considered an abomination in the bible.  I don’t see anyone trying to make shellfish illegal, yet they too are considered an abomination in the bible.  Wearing mixed fabrics?  an abomination.   Eating pork?  an abomination.   Yet most have no issues breaking these rules, because tattoos are trendy, mixed fabrics make nice clothes and lobster and ham are tasty.  If you want to use the bible as your belief system fine.  But you cant pick and choose to ease your bigoted mind.  Its all or nothing

        • Anonymous

          “Its all or nothing.”

          At least that is what the politically motivated Christians, the Neo-Pharisees, say to all others who disagree with them in anyway,
          so who must be both at the very least RINOs and/or heathen non-believers.

          It’s reprehensible for the Church[es] to base arguments on separation of church and state then play politics, too.

          It is hard to make the point that the  Church[es]’ blatant hypocritical “we get to it have two different ways at once” approach gives all Christianity a bad name, whenever we are limited to  talking about just one issue at a time.  

          But the fact is people do see it happening and do not respect it.

          But ironically  enough, given that the Golden Rule is Christ’s greatest commandment to His followers, besides the Church[es] what other organizations are there that would dare to demand you must always show them respect you don’t feel for good and valid reasons… like them dehumanizing and calling human beings abominations as just one of many possible examples. 

          It seems to me that that anyone who demands then expects deferential treatment might not really understand not only the concept of respect, itself, but worse, their own Lord’s greatest commandment.

          THEN, because it is a manifestation of the very problem I am speaking about, how sad is to know no matter how pure my intentions are and how I am truly saying this for sake of  the good name of Christianity and the Church[es] themselves, my saying how way too  many Christians mix
          their religion with politics, WILL BE seen as and  be called attacking … well, ultimately God, when, in point of fact, I’M DEFENDING THE GOOD NAME OF CHRISTIANITY AND I’M TRYING TO SUGGEST OTHERS, THE REAL STAKE HOLDERS, SHOULD AS WELL.

          … for very good reasons, too, if what you say that you believe is true.
          Pray on that last bit.

      • Anonymous

        How many times do we have to point this out?  The question was on legalization of SSM, not an opportunity to continue to bash gays, which may fit with your distorted morals but is  not legal.

    • Anonymous

      Humans didn’t even invent homosexuality. It’s been observed in hundreds of mammal and bird species. Being gay  is natural for many people, but not for all. Marriage is an invention of humans, an artificial social construct, but a useful one.

  • Anonymous

    I wouldn’t so much call it a win…. People didn’t vote to allow gay marriage.  People voted so they wouldn’t have to keep voting on it…. Thats the only reason it passed

    • Anonymous

      You know what? I’m really, truly fine with whatever you want to call it.

      This entire time we have been asking for our government to treat us equally. How you think of us was never at issue.

    • Anonymous

      Well good enough then.  If that’s what it takes then so be it.  The result is the same.

  • Anonymous

    Last night Maine voted for the rights of every American. We voted that we should not deny any of the government benefits of marriage to those couples who might be viewed as less than traditional.

    I cannot see how this will affect a loving relationship between a man and a woman. It simply extends to those, whose relationship does not fit the standard one man one woman model, all of the financial and government benefits that all Americans should be entitled to.

    Not extending those benefits to all citizens undermines the definition of any and all non traditional families. That is grandparents raising grandchildren, aunts, uncles or siblings, who have stepped into the role of parent for whatever reason. Our energy would be more wisely used to focus on being the best we can be for our own families and extended families and allow those who live a different life style from our own to do the same.

    • Anonymous

      The United States is now confirmed as a nation that supports abortion, homosexual marriage, a relationship with Islam, higher taxes, even higher debt, mandated government health care, porous borders…i think the bigger picture is not because some 2% of population changed marriage for 98% of the others…

      • Anonymous

        I am not getting your point at all. How does 2% change marriage for the rest. Your marriage should be just as stable, just as valid and just as loving. Abortion and homosexuality have been around forever and probably will be. All we have done is allow non traditional couples to have the same civil benefits. Admittedly, I am a widow, thus single, I guess. But I do not feel my marriage is worth any less today than it was yesterday. As for abortion, well that has been around forever too and likely will be as well. The difference, by legalizing it, is we can save the lives of those women who for whatever reasons, choose not to be mother to the child they have conceived. It would not be for me, but I can honestly see how some might make the choice, even if it is not the one I would make.

        A relationship with Islam? As opposed to Quakers, the Amish, the Catholics or Jews etc? Mandated health care? Is that a moral question or simply a matter of making sure every citizen has equal access to healthcare?  Porous borders? A physical, legal or moral issue? Why does that lady stand in New York harbor? 

      • Alec Cunningham

        I had a relationship with Islam….!

        • Anonymous

          LOL, quit bragging!! 

          Actually, I have loved reading all of your posts. I think you are someone I could really get along with.

          • Alec Cunningham

            Thanks!!!   I’m in Orono.

  • Melora

    A very sad day in Maine due to this false “marriage” going through. Gay marriage is never accepted by God no matter how hard they yell at Him.  It is a sad day throughout the rest of the nation as well with a pro-abortion president who continues to destroy the sanctity of life and the family.  Much darkness has come over this state and land even more so than before.  Truly very sad.

    • Anonymous

      Pssh, you’re just mad that gay people are far more fabulous than you could ever hope.

    • Anonymous

      Need help packing your bags?

    • Tedlick Badkey

      Truth is… your god does not matter.

      It’s a choice, nothing more.

    • Anonymous

      Don’t you think it’s mighty risky of you to LIE about God?  The major Christian, Jewish and other denominations that are marrying same gender couples now were being denied their right to practice their religion freely in 44 US States yesterday.  These denominations have married same gender couples in 7 US States and the District of Columbia:

      The Association of Welcoming and Affirming Baptists
      The Episcopal Church
      Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
      Metropolitan Community Church
      Conservative Judaism
      Reform Judaism
      Religious Society of Friends (Quakers)
      Unitarian Universalist Church
      United Church of Christ

      Last year, The Presbyterian Church (USA) voted to accept LGBT ministers, and they expect to marry same gender couples next year. The Association of Unity Churches International is discussing same gender marriage.  In some parts of the U.S., Methodist pastors have been marrying same-sex couples or conducting blessing ceremonies for same-sex unions for years with little fanfare and no backlash from the denomination. Calls to overturn the rule have become increasingly vocal in recent weeks, ratcheting up the pressure for the Methodist church to join other mainline Protestant denominations that have become more accepting of openly gay leaders.
       
      These denominations all agree with modern Biblical scholars, who have proven the Bible was intentionally mistranslated relatively recently to provide “Biblical cover” for rising levels of homophobia.

      • Anonymous

        THERES the tolerance we have all come to know and love….

      • Anonymous

        Being omniscient and omnipotent, the Christian God has nothing to fear from me.  I don’t feel at-risk.

    • Anonymous

      There is no GOD!

      • Alec Cunningham

        When you make these statements, remember that you are not only insulting those anti-equality people of faith, you are insulting many equality-minded people of faith, too.

    • Anonymous

      What is really sad Melora, is that this country still has closed-minded people in it such as yourself!

  • Anonymous

    On to Washington!! (but don’t hurry)

    • Anonymous

      Washington State has mail-in ballots yet to count, but marriage EQUALITY is ahead there and expected to be certified as passed by the weekend.  Hey, you forgot to mention Maryland and Minnesota.

  • Anonymous

    While this may be true, neither the Old or New Testaments govern Maine or the United States in any way. They are belief systems. They hold no legal standing. The word of Law, not God, is the final say in this country and state. Homosexuality is legal, accepted, deemed free from discrimination, and now, given equal rights in marriage.

    Feel free to believe what you want, and practice whatever religion you choose. Don’t infringe on the law, because those consequences are observable while you’re alive, unlike your God’s, where you are punished only after death.

    • Anonymous

      You are warning us not to “infringe on the law”. Personally I have no such intent. My question to you is this: why the warning? What can anyone do to infringe the law except steal, commit fraud, and rape someone, for instance. Gays do that just as well as straights. So why you you singling people like myself who oppose SSM? I don’t get your point.

  • Anonymous

     If you want to craft your beliefs around a book that was drafted 2000 years ago.. do it.  The rest of us will embrace the real, present-day world.

    • Anonymous

      Not to mention what science has proved to us about our creation. Even the Catholic church has embraced science – hmmm, what do you think about that?! I do believe that Jesus was real man and he did much good in his short life but, I do not believe that he could part the seas, walk on water or that he was the child of “God”.
      2000 years ago, people were simple and easily swayed to believe in something more than just themselves. We have science that shows us how we began and can explain much of these “religious phenominon” that occassionally shows up.

    • Anonymous

      speak for your self its a shame for this state and we will live to regret it,swams of barney franks are on thier way to maine,sad sad sad what the hell has this world come too.

      • Alec Cunningham

        Barney Frank is swimming to Maine?

        • Anonymous

           Yes, he will be doing the backstroke all the way.

        • Anonymous

           Swams, whatever they are.

        • Anonymous

          Not until the spring. It is too cold to be swimming now.

      • Anonymous

        Paranoia will get you nowhere. There’s nothing to be afraid of. Gay people are just normal people who have different tastes than you.

      • Anonymous

        Actually yesterday I saw a convoy of gays moving back out of Maine after their short residency to change the law here. I would suggest the next State they attack all unemployed  straight people move there and counter balance the game.
        I think the laws should be changed that you have to live permanently for a year or your vote goes to your home state, like for college students and temporaries.

        • Alec Cunningham

          Must have been a FABULOUS convoy!!

          Your plan, though, won’t work because the US Supreme Court has affirmed a student’s right to vote where he or she attends school.

        • Anonymous

           Seriously? You realize that a LOT of straight people here in Maine voted to support equality, right? Are you seriously suggesting that tens of thousands of gay people moved to Maine in order to swing this election?

          • Alec Cunningham

            Well, they didn’t tell ME about it!  I bet they had a fab party that night, too, that I didn’t know about!!!

          • Anonymous

            Really?  Because I heard that they just watched Mean Girls and called it a night.

        • Anonymous

           I suggest you go back on your meds.  They’ll help with the hallucinations. 

          • Anonymous

            You can dish it out but can’t ake , typical

      • Anonymous

         You and your ignorant thinking.  You probably attend church weekly…a selfrighteous hypocrite

      • Anonymous

        NEWS FLASH!! Gays have been in Maine for a couple centuries at least.

    • Anonymous

      Two of the first four comments removed “for review.”  Guess we’ll be getting used to even more censorship from the political left, now emboldened in their victory. 

      • Anonymous

        And there was nothing overly offense in them (other then the usual difference in beliefs) …. the “flag” function got overused here.

        • Alec Cunningham

          I’ll agree with that.  Well, I mean, they WERE offensive, but so what?  I’m sure plenty find what I write offensive, but I don’t want MY posts deleted either.

        • Anonymous

           yes , lots of lightweights hitting the “flag” button , usually cause they dont understand the other commenter’s opinion or dont believe in diversity of opinion.
          This site is not for freedom of speech believers.

          • My comments are removed all the time but I don’t cry about it when it happens. Freedom of speech does not apply to this web site and if enough people flag a comment it gets removed. Sadly I missed what was written in the post above but I’m pretty sure I know how they read.

            If you are going to get upset about having your comment removed, then don’t post.

          • Anonymous

            I never said I was upset about having my comment removed.
                How did you come up with that?

        • Anonymous

          One was in response to my post. I was not offended. As I remember it, it made little sense, but I do not recall it being offensive. However, this commentor was a little more harsh down the line and someone may have flagged all of the posts.

      • Anonymous

        Whawell and I do not agree on very many things on these boards. Having said that I read his post prior to it being deleted and I did not find it to be offensive to the point that merited it being removed. As for the other post that was removed I didn’t read it so I can’t comment one way or the other. As I said Whawell and I do not agree on most subjects on these boards but his post shouldn’t in my opinion have been removed.

        • Anonymous

          I agree completely!  Though I do not empathize with Whawell’s opinion on almost anything I would not have flagged their comment.  Particularly this time, even though it was a counter response to my own opinion, a response some might consider rude.  My comments seem to be flagged so often, or removed without a trace!, that I sometimes  wonder if the person who is charged with oversight of these comments has a personal issue with me.  I suppose not but the application of BDN censorship rules does seem arbitrary at times.

  • Anonymous

    “I know it is wet and the sun is not sunny, but we can have lots of good fun that is funny.” 
    ― Dr. Seuss, The Cat in the Hat

  • Anonymous

    “If everybody minded their own business, the world would go around a great deal faster than it does.” 
    ― Lewis Carroll, Alice in Wonderland

  • Anonymous

    Carroll Conley, the leader of the anti-gays, can show us all how much he thinks his own marriage has been devalued by getting his marriage annulled and paying back government at all levels for all the benefits he has received.  Somehow I doubt he will do that.

    • Anonymous

      The United States is now confirmed as a nation that supports abortion, homosexual marriage, a relationship with Islam, higher taxes, even higher debt, mandated government health care, porous borders…….look squirrel….I am sure THAT is what you meant concerns you….not one person…..

      • Anonymous

         It says a lot about you that you list HEALTH CARE as a negative…..

        • Anonymous

          um…mandated, govt healthcare….im sure you recognized the omission right after you wrote it….

          • Anonymous

             NOPE didn’t miss it.  What’s sad is when health care turned into a business and only certain people were privileged to have access to it.  If it weren’t for pure greed, the government wouldn’t have needed to step in. 

          • Anonymous

            there is not one person in America who cannot get health care

          • Anonymous

            mrwaldo2010 – Really?  Really?  I now have to assume that you have never had a period of unemployment or a period when you were uninsured or under-insured and needed medical attention.  Of course anyone can walk into a hospital and get treatment, but that doesn’t mean that they can afford to do so.  Those who can’t afford it but go to the hospital anyway and need financial assistance to pay for it or require free services then have a the joyous occasion to be labeled as economic mooches.  So tell us again that everyone has access to health care services.

          • Anonymous

             Of course you can get health care from the emergency room, but at what cost?  If you cannot pay, there goes your credit.  With bad credit everything costs more, higher rates on car loans, higher rates on auto and home insurance, large deposits on apartments, large deposits on utilities.  These things help keep the poor, poor.  And guess what, get a serious disease or life threatening condition, you have two choices, risk dieing or let everything go and collect government assistance.  No you are even poorer.  Guess what, you health improves enough to go back to work, that’s great!  But before Obamacare, your new health plan wouldn’t cover any preexisting conditions (if they would even insure you at all), so in the case of cancer, you would be forced back on the gov’t if the cancer came back.  So yes you could get treatment, but at a very high cost and a system designed to make you dependent on the government.

    • Anonymous

      I had to open up the strong box and check that my marriage certificate was still there.  Yep…I’m good.

  • Anonymous

    “Much darkness has come over this state and land even more so than before.”

    You’re free to leave.

    • Anonymous

      What, because 2% of the population convinces enough people that an abhorrant, sexual deviant behavior should be sanctioned by society?  Christians in the world are not wishy-washy like you…who flow to whatever pleases you regardless of the consequences…Thier faith is the same yesterday, today and tommorrow and your sophmoric puffing yourself up is amuzing but really useless outside of that…..

      • Anonymous

        Whine whine whine, your side lost.  Your anger is just the icing on the cake!

        • Anonymous

          no anger here….just never been through a vote where the sole purpose was to see how many uneducated, nonsense people there are in Maine…its all good….it always great to guage where the fissures are in society.

          • Anonymous

            Haha, your posts sure do sound angry.  But this one sounds disappointed, which is just as good.

          • Anonymous

            661K people voted on this issue, with the results apart by only 35K….might want to keep up the front of tolerance a little longer….

          • Anonymous

            Ooooh, sooooo scary.

          • Anonymous

            Like you have been so empathetic and understanding of the rights of others over the years?

      • Anonymous

        Rights aren’t contingent on being in the majority. 

  • Anonymous

    You’re wrong, and you clearly are no Bible scholar.

  • Sectar114

    Ummmmm, you do know that God is a byproduct of fables and stories right? … and isn’t real

    • Sad State of Affairs

      THEAT I can hardly wait for the day when you and others who think God is not real and His Bible is a fairy tale,  finally meet your maker and bow to Him. 
      Philippians 2:10-11 So that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

      • Anonymous

        People insist on quoting the bible…as said in a previous post the bible was written 2000 years ago….not to mention is was in a language that is not even used anymore. It was translated into many different languages over time and edited by kings to suit their needs and beliefs! So quote all you want, but keep in mind that alot gets lost in translation. A book that initially may have began with true events is now nothing more that a book of fiction that unrealistic folks chose to live their life by. Further more, I find it hard to believe that there is a spirit in another realm that is going to make our afterlife “heavenly”! It’s a story, just like the Easter Bunny, Santa, Tooth fairy etc!

        • Anonymous

          God has preserved His Word and it is as infallible and Authoritative today as ever. The whole problem with our society is that the Bible no longer is held as Authoritative as it has in years past in our nation. Look where that has taken us.
          For you to tell us you think it is fairy tales tells me you are lost.. so lost, blinded … so blinded. maybe you think you were hatched from an Easter bunny egg.  Why not, it isn’t anymore ridiculous than thinking you just happened instead of having a Creator. The sad thing is that people like you who keep denying Him will / or have had their hearts hardened.
          “For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
          (Rom 1:26-28)

          The Bible says “the fool has said in his heart there is no God”. It is you that is believing a lie.

          • A lot of us that are atheist these days where raised religious. I’ve been baptized and born again. I used to be the bible thumper but then I grew up, truly read the bible and started to ask question. What I quickly found out was it was all a lie and there is no evidence for any sort of god or god’s. 

            The church hates people such as myself because we ask questions and don’t take them for their word. We will call BS when you stand there and say it’s in the bible so therefore it is true.

            Try reading a science book one day instead of your bible. Watch Carl Sagan’s Pale Blue Dot but if you such things you will start to question your faith and your god and that is such a horrible thing to do.

            Leaving religion is the best thing I ever did. God is nothing but Santa Claus for grown ups.

          • Anonymous

             It is the devil that has been trying to shed doubt on the bible with clever questions.
            He has been doing his trickery since the beginning. He tricked Eve with questioning the Word of God in the garden of Eden.
            “Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?”
            (Gen 3:1)
            Its too bad Kevin that you let science make you question God. God made the universe your scientists can’t figure out.

          • Scientist have a pretty good working theory on how the universe was created and it is such a shame that I educated myself and learned the truth. How horrible it is to think for yourself instead of doing what you are told.

            There is also no devil, none, at all. And since you brought up Adam and Eve I take it you are cool with incest then.

          • Anonymous

            Ever wonder how the entire human race could have descended from a couple that only had two sons?

          • Anonymous

            That is a weak argument.

          • Anonymous

             Frankly, if everything in Genesis had actually happened, then I thank the serpent. God wanted humans to be mindless animals? He told us NOT to eat from the tree of knowledge? Why would he want us to be ignorant? Why would he lie to Adam and Eve by telling that they’d die if they ate from the tree? Instead, the serpent told them the TRUTH, and allowed humans to have knowledge and insight. Who’s the bad guy in this story?

          • Anonymous

            He told us to not eat from the tree of knowledge before we had knowledge of right and wrong.  How were Adam and Eve supposed to know that what they did was wrong before they even knew the different between right from wrong?  Its seems god rigged the whole thing at the start.

          • Anonymous

            It was the tree of “knowledge of good and EVIL” by the way. They lost there sinless innocence by giving into the serpent disobeying God in this simple little test.It plunged the whole human race in the state of sin. Adam’s sin nature was passed onto all of us. That is why we sin and why the world is the mess it is. Romans 5:19 “For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners,”

          • Sectar114

            I like you Kevin…at least the way you think LOL

          • Back at ya.

          • Anonymous

            I can’t imagine being slow enough to actually believe such obvious nonsense. Use your brain. THINK about things. Base your beliefs on REALITY – that which you can actually observe, not that which you make up in your mind.

          • Anonymous

            don’t you think it’s more than a coincidence that the religion you were raised on is the only religion that you think is right?  You know there are 100 other gods that people worship in the current world right? I think we know who is “blinded”.

          • Sectar114

            We think we were just hatched…..? Have you heard of this little known theory of evolution? Last post to you, YOU are the one that is blinded….don’t forget to tith.

          • Anonymous

            Holy rollers like you only make yourself sound insane and cult like when you quote all this crap that can be interpreted one million different ways. Sometimes I think some jokester wrote the bible just to see how many gullible people would swear by it!

          • Anonymous

            “Look where that has taken us”. Yes, since man began to think on his own and make observations instead of relying on a 2000 year old fable, many diseases have been cured or eliminated, people in many countries are living better with more food, better housing, healthcare, etc. Instead of  just accepting that an illness and suffering is “God’s way”, we make an attempt to eliminate disease and actually improve ourselves.

          • Anonymous

            “For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly; And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly; And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked: (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds;) The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished: But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.”
            (2Pe 2:4-10)
            People thought things were advancing and going well in the days of Noah also. They mocked until it was too late!

          • Anonymous

            I never cared much for fantasy or fairy tales. I prefer writers such as Heinlein or Asimov.

          • Anonymous

            Jesus is quoted as having four different last words in the four gospels. What were his actual last words? They cannot all be his last words.

          • Anonymous

            The bible is no longer held as authoritative because it is now against the law to torture, imprison, rape, burn, deport, or otherwise punish someone for not believing in the bible. Ever since the churches, and in particular the Catholic Church, were stripped of their authority over the lives of people and the right to punish people, individuals have been able to critically look at the world and make their own decisions.

        • Anonymous

          What! No tooth fairy? 

          • Anonymous

            Sorry…didn’t mean to burst your bubble :)

        • Sectar114

          Yea dude, but Santa is real. I read about it in the book of “Twas the night before Christmas.”

      • There is zero evidence for any god or god’s and a book written by man is not evidence, at all. Religion was invented to control man and hell was created by the church to scare people into attending. When I die that is the end of it all. No going to heaven or hell. I will simply no longer exist. 

        • Anonymous

          So Aslan isn’t coming?

      • Sectar114

        Well… Turk 182 in the year of your Lord 1985 says “There are two theories. The first is that this is an organized conspiracy. The other more bizarre theory is that this is the work of one man – Superman, apparently!

        So….?

  • Anonymous

    I think Peter Griffin wrote a song about same sex marriage

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghxn38bX7w0

    • Anonymous

      This one is my favorite— from the director of Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit :)

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ulb0pLBgRCw

      • Anonymous

        OH MY GOD I LOVE THAT MOVIE!  I can’t believe someone actually knows about it.  People just know Peter Jackson for Lord of the Rings, but his early movies are really funny, in a really, really sick and twisted way.

  • Anonymous

    Live and let live died last night… Positions will harden! The peace and acceptance that you think you have won will be short lived.

    • Anonymous

      Banning gay marriage is “live and let live”? Get real. 

    • Tedlick Badkey

      Nobody wants the acceptance of people like you.

    • Guest

      Live and let live. I agree you should let ppl live and leave them alone to do so.

    • Anonymous

      The opposite is true— the more we talk about this issue, the more minds are changed toward equality for civil marriage.

      We demonstrated this over the last 3 years by holding thousands of sincere conversations with our neighbors, our friends, our communities. And their voices have been heard!

    • Sherman2

      You still talkin’ about prostitution?  “Positions will harden!”   SAHWEEEET!

    • Alec Cunningham

      Tell us how “live and let live” dies last night, please, because that doesn’t make sense.

  • Anonymous

    I am proud of my friends and family that voted yes on 1! Most of the people that talk against equal rights (before you jump down my throat…I said most) quote the bible. well they also have been divorced,arrested for assault,got tatoos,have drinking and drug problems,and even worked sundays! The good book states many “evils” that do not fit in todays world. so before you skip church to watch football,do yard work,or nurse your hangover please remember we have all gone against the bible. I now live in mass, I am hetro and same sex marriage has not caused a the depths hell to come up and consume us.

  • Really?  You take everything in the bible at face value?   You must then want adulterers stoned to death, (Deuteronomy),  The rape of the woman of a conquered village (Judges),  Selling your daughter as a slave (Exodus)

  • Anonymous

    What about legalizing prostitution? Since morality and sodomy laws no longer matter I say that we open brothels! Weed will be legalized in 2014… let’s get prostitution on the ballot as well. The State will then be able to license, regulate and tax both.

    • Tedlick Badkey

      Start gathering signatures.

    • Guest

      mmmmmmmnnnnnnn

    • Anonymous

      Prostitution is already legal in all 50 states. You just have to film it.

      • Anonymous

        A little-known truth

    • Anonymous

       yes, please do.

      In Nevada prostitution is regulated.  Prostitutes are tested weekly for STDs, they are required to use condoms.  They are required to pay taxes.

      If a man wants to cheat on his spouse, then she has the peace of mind that he won’t bring home a deadly disease.

      There are no pimps beating up his prostitutes and keep them in poverty.  These women make a good living and can choose whether to leave the job at any time, without fear of being killed. 

      I see no real down side to this.  If a man is going to hire a prostitute, he can do it in a safe way, and the state gets tax revenue.

    • Sherman2

      Oooooooo   …. more taxes…  :-)   now…  would the tax rates change based on what you’re “buying” or would it be a flat tax?  This could work!  Based on what I’ve seen of some of the comments here…  there be some mighty powerful sexual frustration in  some of the posters here!!   AND!  the demand and potential income for the state and Zumba instructors would be special!  AND! with the new rail service we could have special “SERVICE” trains from Boston and NY….  (do Mainers get a special tax rate?)

      Raw capitalism at it’s best (and oldest!)…. 

    • Alec Cunningham

      I’ll sign your petition!

    • Anonymous

      Agree

  • Preston Nethercutt

    Your beliefs are just that, beliefs. Beliefs are only feelings hyped as facts by the weak minded. Your “religion” and your “god” are the delusional constructions of your needy, fearful ego. The contempt and condemnation that you heap upon your fellow citizens is driven by your terrified id.

  • Anonymous

    The campaign was not a state endorsement of homosexuality, it was about the 14th Amendment’s “equal protection of the laws” to every INDIVIDUAL of this state. 

  • Anonymous

    I cannot imagine how a homosexual parent discusses sex to his teenage son or daughter??
    How do they explain what they do at night as being natural and healthy?? Children do not need this type of home life. Nothing can replace a normal family with a homosexual home. The children lose. They did not chose a homosexual family!

     

    • Anonymous

      Nor do children choose to be accidents of teenage parents who can’t take care of them.  They don’t choose to be born of drug addicts.  They don’t choose to be born of parents who neglect and abuse them. 

    • Anonymous

      They also do not choose to be gay.  They are born that way and want to be accepted just as everyone in life does.  This will automatically deter the number of young teens ashamed of their own sexuality to the point they contemplate suicide.  It should teach heterosexual children that there is nothing wrong with gay people and they should be as accepted as you would another heterosexual friend.  See, most kids now already know this.  They are afraid to tell thier biggotted parents because they will become upset with them for not agreeing with their point of view.  Most children now could teach a great many adults a thing or two about acceptance.

      • Anonymous

        yawwwnnn…whats that?

    • I talked to my daughters like anyone else. i told them their body is theirs and they should respect it at all times. I told them it was important to wait until they meet the person they will marry. I told them to respect all mankind. you?

    • Anonymous

      There is no such thing as a normal family  .  Do a  search an you will find that out ” Is there such a thing as a normal family   “

    • Anonymous

      So, what are you going to tell your kids?

    • Anonymous

      November 6, 2012: the day these lies stopped working.

    • Anonymous

      How did you teach your kids about sex?  I imagine most homosexual parents would take a similar approach – briefly explain the biological function, but really focus on the safe sex lecture.  I highly doubt you talked to your kids (I am assuming you have kids, so I apologize if that assumption is incorrect) about what you and your spouse/partner do in your bedroom, so why would that be different for any other parent.  

    • Alec Cunningham

      Good grief!  My parents NEVER discussed what they did at night in their bedroom!!!  GROSS!!!

      We did talk about the basic mechanics of sex, but never in the context of anyone we knew who did it.  Is that how your parents talked to you about sex?  What your father did to your mother???  

      • Anonymous

        Gay or straight, I never want to think about how what my parents did behind closed doors.  As far as I’m concerned, I was conceived with a firm hand shake!

    • Anonymous

      Normal?

  • Anonymous

    Do you know what troubles me about this comments is the scare tactics that people are using again. Everyone is going to see that six months from now we will not hear about same-sex marriage in the state and that life is going to go back to normal. This initiative is about equal rights and it is a step forward for the gay and lesbian community. For everyone to say that now it is going to be taught in school is bogus. I remember when I was in school and I did not learn about marriage and I work with children and teenagers and they don’t get taught marriage in schools. What makes everyone think that same-sex marriage is going to be taught in schools? Schools are having enough time funding there current curriculum to change or add to it. Even if they did want to modify a curriculum they need to go through the school board/district to make those changes and then it depends upon the people “YOU” elected to the boards of education for each school district and public support. People have the option to weigh in on curriculum changes as often they are public but hey if you want to carry on those scare tactics go right ahead and be ignorant.  Now as far as adoption agencies by Catholic organizations closing down “OH WELL”. Do you know who loses in that children that need homes.  There have been national studies performed on same-sex couples adopted children and just like heterosexual couples there was no differences. People forget that this initiative is about equal protection under the law. My father voted no for this and I respect his views as I respect all those views of you that voted no but like my dad said it is time to move on and go on with life.  For all you Christians out there that did not vote for this remember we are not here to judge people’s lifestyles or actions. They will have to face god someday and there actions will be judged by him not us. We do not have a right to do so. I have many friends that are homosexuals and they are good people too but as a christian it is not my job to judge them. I just hope that people will look at the issue is not about “marriage” it is about equality. 

    • Anonymous

      You are so right.  This was something that puzzled me completely about Question 1.  Why were people worried that now their children were going to be taught about same sex marriage in school or for that matter homosexuality?  I wasn’t taught anything about marriage in school and other then basic sex education neither were my children.  If I, who know better was puzzled then what about those that were on the fence?  On the other hand, since it passed I would say that most Mainers used their own heads and used their own reasoning.  Hah!

      • Anonymous

         How to you teach sex education with homosexuals to those children forced to be raised in a homosexual environment? The schools will include this in their sex education. Just wait and see. That will be another sad day for children.

        • Anonymous

          November 6, 2012: the day these lies stopped working.

        •  Good heavens, the world is going to end because two people who love each other can now legally marry.

        • Anonymous

          They all ready know more about that then you think they do  .

        • Anonymous

          Sex ed in school will not change.  My kids learned about their own bodies and how two people become pregnant.  The fact that you need a female egg and a male sperm to make a baby is about as far as sex ed goes.  I don’t believe I hear a lot about teaching about in vitro fertilization either.   Way too much hype in this debate.  Homosexuals have been around since the beginning of time and chances are the children have at least heard about a kid who has two mommies or two daddies.  The only difference now is that they aren’t being treated like second class citizens and it gives us a chance to teach our children tolerance and how NOT to be judgmental, even if we don’t agree with their lifestyle.  How do you talk to your children about pre-maritial sex or couples who live together without being married if you don’t believe in it?  You tell them that’s their choice, you don’t agree with it, and you tell them why.  Period!  You don’t spew hate and try to make them second class citizens right? 

          • Anonymous

            Your kids are lucky to have a parent like you! 

          • Anonymous

            Why thank you!  I try. 

        • Anonymous

          Pretty sure, when I had sex-ed in school in Maine, in the 90s we learned just about EVERY way to have sex and, concurrently, how to avoid getting STDs for each mode.  I don’t recall much talk about men and women during those lessons either.  We didn’t talk about “gay” sex versus “straight sex”.  We just talked about sex.  If I remember correctly, the entire conversation was quite … anatomical.  

        • Anonymous

          When was the last time you were in school? I learned about gay sex decades ago in health class. 

  • Anonymous

    “Much darkness has come to this state.” 

    How strange – when I woke up and saw the news, it was very apparent that the darkness had lifted!

    Not gay, retired military, and very much an endorser of “civil rights.”

    • Anonymous

      The darkness wasn’t lifted, it was exhibited by this vote. It is the last days according to bible and people wanting these strange sinful lifestyles are just an indicator of that. In God’s eyes your not winners your losers. God can’t bless your sinful lifestyles.

      • Alec Cunningham

        Why is this vote in Maine the indicator?   People say ANYTHING that they don’t agree with in reference to the Bible is the indicator of the end.
        There are many churches that do not teach what you are saying.

        • Anonymous

           The church isn’t the authority the bible is.

          • Alec Cunningham

            Then the way you interpret the Bible is the authority.

          • Anonymous

            That’s right.  Pentecostals and Charismatics, fundamentalist Protestants, evangelical Protestants, mainline or liberal Protestants, Quakers, Roman Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, Seventh-Day Adventists, Egyptian Coptics, Unitarians and Universalists, Mormons, and Jehovah’s Witnesses, all have differing ways of interpreting the Bible.
            Lutheranism, Calvinism, Arminianism, and Anabaptism, are all historic Protestant theologies from Reformation days that have their descendents today. 
            Fundamentalism, so popular today, and regularly preached on these BDN pages by certain posters, is not that old-time religion —  it was unheard of before 1600 and rare before 1900. 
            Catholic teachings about the meaning and authority of the Bible are different from the various Protestant doctrines.
            And then there are individuals in all of those traditions who all have their own individual understanding.

          • Your bible is the authority of nothing. It holds no sort of legal merit, at all. It is a 2000 year old book written by uneducated men.

          • Anonymous

            And they didn’t even start writing it until 200 years after Christ died.

          • I know but they never speak about that.

          • Anonymous

            Depends on what part of the Bible you are referring to.
            The books of the Old Testament or Hebrew Bible were written in Hebrew over a period of several centuries, all of it before Jesus lived.
            The books of the New Testament were written in koine (common) Greek beginning about twenty years after the death of Jesus (or about A.D. 51), and with the last books being written about A.D. 90 to 100, or about 60 to 70 years after the death of Jesus.
            They were compiled by a process of developing consensus in the centuries after the lifetime of Jesus.  Those who won control of the Christian Church finally settled on the canon (approved biblical books) by about A.D. 375.
            Samaritans, Jews, Roman Catholics, Protestants, Eastern Orthodox, and Egyptian Coptic Christians, all have differing but related canons.

          •  The bible also states that the woman has to submit to the man; that children should be beaten.  There are, however, laws against abusing women and children.  The way I see it, we have already disproved the bible, and have made laws accordingly.  Marriage has been redefined for years.  This law just moved Maine into the 21st century.

          • Amen!

          • Anonymous

             Strangely, the Bible never says that rape is bad, or that molesting children is bad, or that slavery is bad…..Yet, our society recognizes that these are bad things. Makes you wonder if our morality is REALLY Bible based after all…..

          • Anonymous

            It’s funny, in the bible, rape is really treated as a property crime.  It wouldn’t say anything about molesting children because most people married very young anyway.  And slavery is actually justified in the bible.

          • Anonymous

            What is the name of the Bible’s author?

          • Anonymous

            The Bible is not consistent with itself. From Genesis I and II to the last words of Jesus in the four Gospels it has many mistakes and inconsistencies. It has been translated many times in different ways. You cannot sensibly believe everything written in it is literally true.

          • Anonymous

            The Bible is a great human document.
            See my reply about the Bible — “the Good Book,” not the perfect book — above.

      • Anonymous

        the word LOSER is not in gods vocabulary.and another thing .Its people like you that cause so many young people to harm themselves.you should be ashamed of yourself,but obviously your not.

      • So you have a direct line to this so called god, correct? This invisible thing you call god directly told you that I am a loser because I choose to give equal rights to others?

        We are also not in the last days. Your bible was written by men who had very little education. Many have been saying we are in the last days for hundreds of years and yet, we are still here.

        • Anonymous

           The men used to write the Bible did it by direct revelation from God. That is what the bible is, God revealing His Word to man using human instruments some of which were not very educated. They didn’t have to be. It was revelation, God given. It was not conjured up and figured out by them.  And yes we are in the last days and there will be people like you mocking God’s Word right up until the judgement falls.

          “But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ; How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts. These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.”
          (Jud 1:17-19)

          It will be too late then by the way.

          • So why do you deny all the other god’s that came before you god? 

          • Anonymous

             Why are we not given the option of a DISLIKE button???

          • Anonymous

            Why would anyone in their right mind believe such obvious nonsense? If your sister had told you she had a message from god telling her that Obama was going to win the election, you’d have had her committed. Why would you believe that same level of nonsense when you read it in a book that has been edited hundreds of times for political convenience? Get your head out of the sand and look around – you’re missing out on the whole world of reality.

          • Anonymous

            You know, i just had a revelation of my own.  God spoke to me and told me that times have changed and acceptance and love is the most important thing to get into heaven.  He told me that those that discriminated and showed hatred towards their fellow man will be denied.  I mean if the men that wrote the bible as you said, had it revealed to them, and god is all around us and in our heart, than it only stands to reason that he can reveal himself to us as well.  Wouldnt you think?  I doubt that you do because you prefer to spend all your time preaching the hatred and trying to brainwash people to think as you do.  Nice try, but it didnt work.

          • Anonymous

            Your a liar

          • Anonymous

            Nope, god told me something similar.  He said that gays are just the bee’s knees.  I mean, his own son is gay.  Of course he doesn’t have any problems with gay people!

          • Anonymous

            The Bible is “the Good Book,” not the perfect book. 
            It is a great collection of ancient sacred writings, written by authors both known to us and unknown; the great religious masterpiece of Western religion; a cornerstone of Judaism and Christianity.
            It was written by humans, for humans, in human languages.  It is a human document that tells of the various authors’ struggles to understand God and God’s Creation. 
            It was written in many literary styles and genres: hymns, parables, poetry, storytelling, history, mythology, visions, proverbs, wisdom literature (philosophy), personal and general letters (epistles),  etc.
            Not all genres of literature in the Bible were intended to be taken literally.
            The various books of the Bible reflect the views of the various authors of those books. 
            The stories, poems, visions, histories, myths, proverbs, parables, hymns, etc.,  in the Bible are testimonies of faith, not magical formulas.  Some biblical books and authors contradict other biblical books and authors.
            Because it was written in at least two ancient languages, over a period of many centuries, by various people who lived in cultures different from our own, and written in many different literary styles, it is a complicated library of books that requires a greater use of reason than most books.
            We all must use our reason when reading any book — and even more so when reading the Bible.

          • Anonymous

            Jude was referring to those who would deny God. He was not speaking of any sexual sins.

          • Anonymous

            Who says the bible was written by men inspired by god? Oh, the bible. Duh, these words you are reading are inspired by god. 
            Do you believe everything you read?

      • Anonymous

        I guess GOD likes democrats more then republicans.The winners.He is in charge.Right?

        • Last night was the work of the devil, not god. You should know that by now. I listen to a program at 6PM on 99.5 called pastor’s perspective and one of the host last night called Obama evil. They truly feel that is was re-elected the world will end which is not going to happen.

          BTW, if you get the chance, listen to the program. It is very amusing.

          • Anonymous

             So…the Devil is more powerful than God? Your god seems kind of….lame.

          • I’m an atheist but I was being sarcastic. When bad happens they always blame it on the devil, never their god and yes. A lot of times when you truly look at it the devil has more power than their god.

      • Anonymous

        Wake up and smell the coffee, pal. That book of yours is a work of fiction. If I had a nickel for every time some bible-thumping quack claimed the world was coming to an end, I’d be the richest man on the planet.

        • Anonymous

          Indeed, you would be the richest of rich, because the first Christians thought that Jesus would return for Judgement Day within their own lifetimes, and life expectancy was short in the first century. Then just before the first millennium there was another popular movement of people who expected the apocalypse. So, people have been predicting the imminent end for almost 2000 years.  But no one knows when some asteroid might hit the earth or some super-volcano might erupt, or if humans might pull through such disasters by our ingenuity. What we need to work on now is reducing the effects of global warming.

        • Anonymous

          Think what you want. The Bible may be the only work of non-fiction (or fiction if you prefer) to keep on selling two thousand years later.

      • Anonymous

        “I assure you that some of you standing here right now will not die before you see the Kingdom of God arrive in great power!” (Mark 9:1)

        “I assure you, this generation will not pass from the scene before all these things take place.” (Matthew 24:34)

        People have been saying these are the “last days” for thousands of years, and yet we are still here, with no end in sight.

        I mean, even the Bible says the world was supposed to have ended a long, long time ago.

        • Anonymous

          Well Ryan I read in the Bible that if you don’t catch up on your videos of the Cross Insurance Center that God isn’t going to be very happy with you and he is going to make the building next to it disappear or something like that.

      • Anonymous

        What gives you the right to speak for God?

      • Anonymous

        I do not care if YOUR God blesses this law or not!

        It is sad indeed when religion is used as an excuse by men to rule others. And these good Christians wonder why they are earning the mantle of “The American Taliban”. The Taliban, yet another misguided religious group that seeks to force their way of life on all. Yet in an act of outrageous hypocrisy the American Taliban would urge Christians to fight against other religious groups who are doing the very same thing as they are. Let me be clear, NO group, religious or otherwise, should wield the power to usurp the promise America has made to all of her citizens. Equality for all!

        • Anonymous

          If you were going to cross the road and get hit by a truck I would warn you. That’s all I am doing. There are consequences to the gay lifestyle and you can’t escape them. You may be one of the many gay people dying of aids next year. Who you going to blame then, God?

          • Alec Cunningham

            And I suppose being a straight person will guarantee that I won’t get a fatal illness?

      • Anonymous

        Do you think that homosexuality is new just because we passed the vote? I am so glad that I am not a God fearing woman! I feel sorry for peopl like you that their whole world revolves around “God”.

        • Anonymous

          No, homosexuality isn’t new. God judged a whole city for it’s “sodomy”. A very large city. Way bigger that the puny little puke-y little 2-3 % of a gay community today. Your a whiny group of people crying about getting equal rights.You already had all the rights that the rest of us have. You wanted ‘special rights’. Your lying mouth has convinced the unwary that your perversion deserves rights. You will get what you deserve from God one day. Just because you can do evil today and don’t immediately suffer consequences doesn’t mean its not coming down the road. God is merciful and instead of striking you dead right now He is giving you space to repent. I suggest you take advantage of it while you can.

          • Anonymous

            Now you tell a lie. Gays did not have the same rights as the rest of us. Gays had no inheritance or visitation rights just to name two.
            Your arrogance shows when you claim you know what your god wants.
            It is precisely because of people like you that the laws of this country were written to protect others.

          • Alec Cunningham

            Did God tell you to be nasty and vicious when you try to get us to repent? Are “puny little puke-y little” and “whiny group of people crying about getting equal rights” His words or your words?

      • Anonymous

        There is NO reference to homosexuality in the New Testament, that is God’s (Jesus’) own words.  There are references to divorce. Yet heterosexuals currently have a divorce rate right around 50%.  Why are quibbling over homosexuality being a sin?

        • Anonymous

          Yes divorce and all kinds of other things are the result of a sinful nature. The problem is you will call divorce wrong but not homosexuality – that is the problem. Homosexuality IS sin. You are living in a state of denial if you think its not. The bible speaks VERY CLEARLY about the gay lifestyle being sin.
          “For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. ”
          (Rom 1:26-27)
          They left the “natural” relationship (God given relationship) for that which is “against nature”. And burned in their “lust” for each other (men with men, women with women”. In this verse it is called “vile”. The gay lifestyle IS sin.

  • Anonymous

    You and the over 30 people who “like”d your post need to understand that the only
    indoctrination which needs to be addressed is that of bigotry against gay
    people. We exist…aways have and always will. Gay kids need to feel welcomed
    in society, not ostracized.

    You and your kind are a dying breed. But you can change. Just open your eyes and come out of the blackness.

  • Anonymous

    God condemns rape and victimization, not love.

    Seriously, there are no passages in the bible anywhere that condemn the supportive, committed lifelong relationships we seek to protect with civil marriage.

  • Anonymous

    they can try to repeal it but it will fail…

    • Anonymous

      It’ll get challenged in court like Prop 8 did in California. You can’t grant rights and then take them away because you don’t like a minority group. That’s unconstitutional. 

  • Anonymous

    same sex marriage ? they cannot reproduce,the blood line stops. even though they keep trying lol

    • Anonymous

       You do realize that STRAIGHT people give birth to gay people right?  Our numbers have been on the increase for thousands of years, so that theory doesn’t really mean a whole lot.

    • Tedlick Badkey

      Wow… are you ACTUALLY saying that there won’t be gays much longer cuz we can’t procreate together?

      Good grief… you straight people have been giving birth to gay babies for as long as there have been humans.

      • Anonymous

         i had 2 comments blocked by bdn  but anyway no gays in my family

        • Anonymous

          You should think about what you write before you post then. These are hateful and cruel remarks you have been making and in fact, quite juvenile if you ask me. Try leaving out the name calling and write with a bit of intelligence if that isn’t too hard for you.

        • Tedlick Badkey

          That you know of. I wouldn’t be honest with you either.

          You’re awful.

      • Anonymous

        I think the point is that gay people cannot procreate together they need a third person…..And they will never be raised by a mother and a father…..

        • Tedlick Badkey

          There are married heterosexuals who cannot procreate together and need a third person… to not decry that yet still decry same sex marriage is the highest level of hypocrisy.
          Children across the nation are raised in single parent households as a result of divorce (or no marriage at all)… to not decry that as more detrimental isn’t hypocrisy, it’s ignorance.

        • Anonymous

          Gay people “will never be raised by a mother and a father” really?

          Where do “gay people” come from, the pumpkin patch?

    • Anonymous

      November 6, 2012: the day these lies stopped working.

      • Anonymous

        what lies?

        • Anonymous

          That same sex marriage is bad, duh.  Please try to keep up.

          • Anonymous

            same sex marriage is bad, thats it ? duh. try to keep up with you? ha,ha 

          • Anonymous

            Here are just a “sampling” of the lies from No on 1:

            1) Passing SSM will lead to “it” being taught in schools like it is in Massachusetts. LIE, school curriculum is developed at the local level and adopted by local school boards in Maine.

            2) The Vermont inn owners claiming they were “forced” to stop weddings at their inn because of SSM and it cost them $30K. LIE, the inn owners ran afoul of Vermont’s anti-discrimination laws nothing more and nothing less. Maine has the same laws and sexual orientation has been a protected class since 2004.

            3) Passing SSM will limit free speech. LIE

            4) Churches and ministers (never mentioned Rabbi’s, Imam’s, etc…guess they don’t count when it comes to No on 1) would be forced to perform SSM even if they disagree with it. LIE, 1st Amendment again….pesky that the 1st Amendment keeps getting in the way isn’t it.

        • Anonymous

          That gay marriage would lead to the end of humanity or even the end of gays and lesbians.

        • Anonymous

          Like the people at a vt inn that was a lie they said  .  They broke the law  on discrimination when you are open to the public that includes everyone .

    • Anonymous

      Sorry Gorilla, Gays are able to reproduce and do so frequently. Your ignorance about reproductive possiblities in the modern age is telling. Do some research before you spew your ignorant invective.

    • Anonymous

      Are you REALLY that obtuse?  Gay people adopt straight people’s kids all the time ( I know several couples who have adopted children and one couple who have adopted 3)  and then there is the wonderful thing called a sperm back….no irritating man required…and BOOM you can have a child…..I again know several people who have more than one child via sperm bank gay and straight…..Who do you think keeps having all the gay people?  Straight people that’s who…..so try again.

  • Anonymous

    Maybe if the Bible had been written in English, modern English, I would agree with you. Even translating modern French to modern English, there are times when there is no exact equivalent and translators must choose the best words or phrases in the context in which they are used.

    The books of the Bible have been translated to just about every other language that exists, studied in the native language of the scholar, and expounded upon accordingly. What would the ancient Sumarian writers call a computer, a telephone, a television? They would have no context or frame of reference to translate these words from our language to their own. For that reason, it simply makes sense that we would have no words, phrases or contexts for so many ancient connotations. So we can only try to find the best equivalents. Scholars are still arguing about how some of these books should be translated, thus we have more than one version of the Bible. Biblical scholars do not seek to undermine or pervert the Bible in any sense. They simply seek to understand what writers were thinking a few thousand years ago.

  • Tedlick Badkey

    More… please, more!!!

    It’s SO sweet!

  • Anonymous

     The problem is gays are now activists and from out of state turning our state into something at least half of us do not want. This issue is far from over. It will not stand this way. Parents deserve rights to what values they teach their children and now we will see schools teaching unnatural and disturbing sick things to our children.

    • Anonymous

      That’s projecting a falsity! The schools will still teach age appropriate children about sex as they always have. I suggest that if you feel this way, you can opt your child out of that class and project your opinions on sex to them in your own way. I doubt that the school is going to change their current way of teaching about sex just because a civil union law has just passed. Homosexuality has been around since the beginning of humans and you people need to get over it and deal with it. You are making this much bigger than necessary!

    • Anonymous

      Nice lie it will not pass muster

    • Anonymous

      While you are teaching values how about teaching your children to respect others right to live the life they themselves choose.  Talk to them about your values and why they are your values.  For instance, if you don’t believe in premaritial sex or if you don’t believe couples should live together before marriage then you talk to them about your beliefs and why you value them.  No one is forcing you to tell your children you believe in same sex marriage.  Just don’t spew hate and intolerance.

    • Anonymous

      I’m pretty sure this law doesn’t prevent you from teaching values to your children

    • Alec Cunningham

      Are you okay with anti-gay activist from out of state pouring over $1,000,000 into this issue?

      I think that more than half the states doesn’t want to have same-sex weddings.  No one is compelled to have one, you know.

      Parents will always be able to teach their children anything they want, although you seem to have an issue with gay parents teaching their children about sex.  Make up your mind.

    • Anonymous

      You can teach your children that the world is flat, but that doesn’t make it so.

  • Anonymous

    To margyf1:
    From the results, it was less than half that opposed equality.  You lost.  Deal with it.

  • notateapartier

    Okay, Chicken Little, back to your hen house. The sky is not falling.

  • Anonymous

    There is no God, so who really cares?

  • Anonymous

    I would like to pose a question.  Had I still been living in Maine, I would have voted to support same-sex marriage and am happy with the outcome.  My mother, who lives in Maine, does not agree with me because of the word “marriage”.  She did say she would support a similar issue if it didn’t involve the word marriage, because of her connotation of the word.  So my question to all those who oppose the measure and what it stands for (equal legal rights for same-sex couples so that they can, for example, get information about their loved ones should they be admitted to the ER and more) is this; would you have approved of “civil unions”?  I’m just curious if it’s an issue of semantics or if it’s that you really don’t believe that two people of the same-sex should be able to enter into a legal contract to promise to love and care for each other and their child(ren)?

  • Anonymous

    Wonderful a few lower state counties in liberal land makes the rest of the state suffer.

    • Tedlick Badkey

      Suffer how?

    • Anonymous

      Treating each other equally under the law might be uncomfortable for you at first, maybe even painful.

      But ease into it, let the love fill you, and you’ll learn to enjoy it!

    • Anonymous

      Except that they pay most of the taxes and provide most of the professional services for the whole state.  How is it they make you suffer again?

  • Anonymous

    Get your tax breaks kids….get ’em while they’re hot

    • Anonymous

      Do you stand outside churches admonishing every married couple about their tax breaks?

    • Anonymous

      So money is the foundation of marriage now? Really?

  • Anonymous

     the bdn must have alot of gays, they keep removing my comments

    • Anonymous

      Haters gonna hate…

    • Anonymous

      maybe your comments are just d*mb……you don’t have to be gay to know d*mb when you see it……Duh.

  • Anonymous

    Charlie and Paul better not drag their feet on this one.  Remember that Charlie kept the clause off the question that protected the churches that didn’t want to perform SSM.

    The ominous theocracy has been rejected on a number of fronts.

    • Anonymous

      Churches have always been protected.  Nothing has changed people!

  • Anonymous

    So grateful Maine voted to promote civil rights!

  • Anonymous

    Hmmm.  Read about how King James ordered his committee of 50 to “Twist’ and spin.  At least one of the translators and possibly KJ I himself were gay.

  • Anonymous
  • Anonymous

    “I am deeply disappointed that a majority of Maine voters have redefined
    marriage from what we have understood it to be for millennia by
    civilizations and religions around the world.”

    Cute, except for the fact that’s entirely untrue.

    • Anonymous

      Ile give you a hint marriage has been redefined many time  over  .

  • Anonymous

    They earned this win and the first in the world to enact gay marriage by popular vote? I’m so proud of what we did yesterday. 

  • Grindhouse Live

    there really should be a caveat in the law that states that ONE of the men getting married MUST wear a dress, and one of the women getting married MUST wear a tux.  That would make this stupid vote totally worth it.  Very lulzy.

    • Anonymous

      Nope, my fiancé Tedlick and I will both be wearing snappy tuxedos!

      • Grindhouse Live

         Aw come on, be a sport!

        • Alec Cunningham

          Well, I will be the one wearing white.  Will that count?

          • Anonymous

            Maybe a drag queen to officiate?

          • Grindhouse Live

             Nah mate! Let’s get Mr. T to do all the SSMs in Maine. 

          • Anonymous

            Why Mr. T?  If we’re going with celebrities, I would personally want Morgan Freeman to officiate.  I mean, my god, that voice!

          • Grindhouse Live

             You’re onto something there.  Let’s get Mr. T to lipsync the ceremony to a hidden Morgan Freeman who jumps out at the end and catches the bouquet! I am loving this visual so far.

          • Anonymous

            Again with the Mr. T.  I don’t think I would want Mr. T at my wedding.  I would much rather just have Morgan Freeman.

          • Grindhouse Live

             Wilt Chamberlain maybe?  I’m afraid Morgan Freeman just isn’t very interesting to look at!  We need to entertain these people as well as tug at their heart-strings!

          • Anonymous

            How about Neil Patrick Harris?  I mean, come on, it’s Neil Patrick Harris!

          • Grindhouse Live

             Neil Patrick Harris, now THAT is a celebrity I can get behind.  If you uh, know what I mean.

          • Anonymous

            Don’t be shy, same sex marriage is legal now.  There’s no shame in having a man crush on someone like Neil Patrick Harris.

          • Grindhouse Live

             Long coat tails on the coat?  If so, I would say yes.

      • Anonymous

        And I bet you both will be dashing and debonair!  Congratulations to you and your fiance’!

      • Anonymous

        um…wait a second….Tedlick is MY fiance!!….aw, shucks..its fine….three in a loving relationship ain’t much different than two…hey can my sister Flo tag along?…figured it’d be ok…..as long as we love each other, heck, can’t see nuthin’ a problem…snnchortggh….

        • Anonymous

          Why am I not surprised that you’ll lie about anything? You really are immoral and unethical, aren’t you?

    • Anonymous

      Why? We’re going to screech about big government, but then say that mandating attire at weddings is fine? 

      • Grindhouse Live

         Yes! That’s exactly what we’re going to do.  Why? Because it would be AWESOME to watch!

    • Anonymous

      What is wrong with you?  Don’t you know the difference between a homosexual and a transvestite?  

      • Grindhouse Live

         Is that… some kind of trick question? Or….?

        • Anonymous

          No, it wasn’t a trick question.  Why don’t you try to educate yourself instead of spewing hate?

          • Anonymous

            I’m almost 100% sure that Grindhouse Live was joking.

          • Grindhouse Live

             Yup, not hating at all…  I support the decision to allow SSMs in Maine.  I am just enjoying my day.

          • Anonymous

            So sorry, guess my defense mechanism is still full on.  I do apologize. 

          • Grindhouse Live

             No worries.  I understand where you’re coming from!

          • Anonymous

            I could see how your original comment could be taken seriously.  That is the unfortunate part, some people would seriously believe what you said.  Poe’s law strikes again!

          • Anonymous

            You are so right.  That is how I took it.  With people talking about marrying dogs and “oh my god” what are we going to tell the children, and this is the end of society as we know it and churches and businesses are goingto get sued, etc. etc. I couldn’t help thinking that Grindhouse was just another poor soul who needed a little education.    

          • Anonymous

            most transvestites are homosexual…I read it somewhere…                                                               
            I wrote it down, then I read it…..

            I think you must understand…most middle of the road humans consider homosexuality as an abhorrent, sexually deviant behavior and never really get to the ‘loving couple’ personna….can’t really hide that part of the ‘loving relationship”

            Its like trying to convince your 4 buddies how awesomely great the fishing is…..while going over Niagra Falls….the fishing may be great, but you’ll never, ever get over the falls part…no matter how much persuasion, pictures, examples of the fishing, eating freshly cooked fish……theres still a waterfall there….

          • Alec Cunningham

            And now that I read that most middle of the road humans (???) consider homosexuality as abhorrent, sexually deviant behavior, I guess that’s true too.

          • Grindhouse Live

             Yeah… I get that a lot really.  I tend to be a little TOO ironic when I am making a point.  Oh well.  My intentions are good, something lacking in the execution I suppose. :D

          • Grindhouse Live

             Y u wanna be so sensitive?! I ain’t hatin’ in the bay. I voted yes on 1.  So RE-RAX!!

      • Anonymous

        I bet  they have not heard of them   ?

  • Grindhouse Live

    mispost

  • April Cottle

    PLEASE stop talking about religion, if you/your God does not believe in SSM then don’t marry someone of the same sex. It is that simple. Religion DOES NOT come into politics because not everyone is religious! WHY can people not understand this?! Also, this in NO way hurts children, both my children’s schools held mock elections and both voted YES on 1! Even children know that it is wrong to discriminate! Do we not teach them this from the time they are in diapers? Be nice to everyone, share, make friends….do we need to add to that, UNLESS they are Gay/different than you? NO. Stop being so close minded and hateful. LOVE THY NEIGHBOR. 

    • Anonymous

      Christians are being close minded and hateful toward the act of homosexuality…not the persons engaged in it…..You just throw those words out AT people…when they aren’t really that way, your just mad cause they don’t see behavior the same way you do…even though christians see people the same way you do….

      • Alec Cunningham

        Please don’t generalize like that.  Sure, some Christians may hate the sin but love the sinner, but there are plenty who would rather we all be put to death or at least finally all die from AIDS.  We’ve seen them make such comments here on the BDN (not to mention the similar comments they have made throughout the decades).  So, please don’t paint all Christians as the loving people you claim they are because not all of them are.

  • XD

  • Anonymous

    Congratulations! I’m not really into politics and usually avoid reading politics stories, but I’m really glad Question 1 went through and everyone will have their rights(regarding marriage) honored. Makes me feel proud of Mainers.

    • Anonymous

      Not me, it is one of the saddest days in my life of 66 years.  Gay marriage and a president who is not an honorable man.  This is sure a windfall all in one day.  But I will say this I am not surprised.  But this one thing I do know there will be a payday one day when we all stand before God to give an account of our lives.  If I am wrong then that means you are right.  If I am right then you are wrong.  We will all know one day for sure.

  • Anonymous

     I find it interesting that everyone screams about equality and acceptance, until someone brings up God,  and they become the target of so much hatred and vehemence. Why does everyone have to accept the homosexual viewpoint, but it’s perfectly OK to call Christians names? I’m not chiming in with an opinion on whether it’s right or wrong, just pointing out to people that self righteous attitudes come from both sides…..

    • Anonymous

      Some of the so called Christians follow the contents of a book that they say condemns homosexuality, they keep crying “but the bible says”….Well, I believe their book says something about not judging your fellow man…some choose to ignore that part of the bible.

      • Anonymous

        that is also true, I’m just saying we all need to practice the tolerance we preach.

    • Anonymous

       I think that as a general rule, it’s the intolerant Christians that are attacked…you know, the ones that like to tell everyone else that they’re going to hell. What’s worse, threatening someone with eternal hellfire for disagreeing, or calling someone a doofus for disagreeing?

  • Randall Flagg

    not if i have anything to do with it

    • Grindhouse Live

       LOL–Children of the Corn!!

    • Tedlick Badkey

      Whatcha gonna do big boy?

      • Anonymous

        Maybe the anti-gays will cry to their mommies.

  • Anonymous

    “Shows what you know at least
    (Nothing)Any way, have fun arguing your way out of being wrong!
    Enjoy playing married!”

    Wow, what an insightful and throught provoking comment.  Wait, no, the opposite of that.

  • Anonymous

    Eric Zelz’s graph is excellent. Q1 lost in 10 counties; won in 6. Highest no vote in least populated, most rural counties. Highest yes in most populous counties and southernmost (York, Cumb.). Coastal counties all in the yes column, except Washington, and a toss-up in Waldo. Western interior counties all in the weak no column, except Somerset (60% no). Catholic no vote strong in Androscoggin (55% no). Rural no vs. urban/suburban yes the most dominant trend; inland vs. coast equally strong. Hancock performed very strong yes (57), third highest yes after Cumberland, Sagadahoc. Penobscot an urban/rural split (47 yes).

  • Anonymous

    This is so wonderful. Thank you to the voters of Maine for repealing the 2009 people’s veto. Maine’s same sex headed families and their children will benefit from this move to marriage equality for gays and lesbians. Censuses and surveys show 20-25% of gay or lesbian couples are raising children, and these families need the legal protections that only come with civil marriage. 

    Personally, I am also happy that my husband and I, who married in Boston just under 5 years ago, will stay legally married whenever we visit Maine.

  • Anonymous

    Now that SSM has been forced through, what will be next. Be interesting to watch and see.

    • Anonymous

      Forced?

      • Anonymous

        Apparantly, because the majority voted for it, the measure was “forced” through. It doesn’t make any sense, but then again, the anti-equality side never made much sense to begin with.

        • Anonymous

          And when not making sense didn’t work, anti-gays tried lies and more lies.

        • Anonymous

          Sigh*  It just seems like such a waste of breath debating an issue with the other side. Their minds are locked so tight.   How can anyone believe an issue was forced when it was voted on by the general population and approved? 

          • Anonymous

            If you haven’t learned by now, the religious right LOVES to play the victim.

          • Anonymous

            I know…right and wrong suck…good thing it was abolished today….fabulous, just fabulous….

    • Anonymous

      FORCED   ??

      • Anonymous

        What would you call a 20 year hate filled campaign?

        • Anonymous

          The people against same sex marriage.

          • Anonymous

            Only anti-gays have been trying to hurt LFBT Americans for FORTY years, but none of that hate got anti-gays what they want.

    • Anonymous

      This is usually where anti-gays mention their own fetishes and try to compare their own fetishes to loving, committed same gender Mainer couples.

    • Anonymous

      “Forced through”?

      I thought the whole 2009 debacle was because our legislature extended civil marriage without letting the people vote?

      Now it’s 2012, and the people voted… and it’s still “forced”?

      Will you never be happy with Mainers treating one another equally under our laws?

      I CAN tell you what’s next though— Tedlick and I are engaged, and looking forward to setting a date!

      • Anonymous

        Good luck to you then.

        • Anonymous

          Thanks!

          Believe it or not, we agree on most issues. I have never understood your seeming opposition to civil marriage rights for same-sex couples.

          • Anonymous

            I don’t care what you, or anyone else, do. I only want to defend those that are worried about the redefinition of marriage. They have a valid point too, no matter what you think.
            But obviously YOU like all liberals are unwilling to accecpt any compromise except your way.
            THAT is why our economy is in the toilet.

          • Guest

            The economy is in the toilet because of two nasty wars by Bush.
            Marriage is marriage no matter the participants.

          • Anonymous

            The economy is in the toiley because of a century of Progressives and Kensyan economic theory.
            “Marriage is mariage no matter the participants” I predict that sooner or later that will will be demanded. Age, species and numbers will be no reason to deny the rite.

          • Guest

            666666

          • Anonymous

            I am not worried about it just wondering how far the foolishness will go and what will finally trigger the backlash that is coming.

          • Anonymous

            Sweetie, for the last time, woof mean no.

          • Alec Cunningham

            I thought it was because of the trillions of dollars we’ve spent on 2 wars over the course of 11 years….?  Or maybe the tax breaks for huge corporations that export American jobs to China…?  Or maybe it really is all the money poured into the liberal Public Broadcasting System…
            Again, if they had left it alone after 5-6-09, then none of this would have occurred over the last 3 1/2 years.

          • Anonymous

            Let me guess, You have been listening to … I can’t think of a source for such nonsense, sorry.
            Maybe if you took your meds you could make sense. then you could try again.

          • Alec Cunningham

            You silly goose!  Are you trying to insult me, too??

          • Anonymous

            Insuly you??? of course not.
            I am not sure I could insult you.

          • Alec Cunningham

            Whew!  All the hateful comments about getting AIDS and dying and going back into the closet-I guess I’m getting paranoid in here!

          • Anonymous

            It’s true. People would have to be on meds to agree with you.

          • Alec Cunningham

            Actually, I have been listening to AM1230 WGUY on my swell Sony wooden countertop model from 1977.  It’s swank! “Two divided by love can only be one and one is a lonely number….”

          • Anonymous

            Um, not a liberal here. Just someone who believes our Constitutional promise of equal protection under our laws includes the laws around civil marriage.

          • Alec Cunningham

            I suppose Dick Cheney and Clint Eastwood would be liberals, too…

    • Anonymous

      If Massachusetts is anything to go by, the answer is “not much.”

      • Anonymous

        Get you head out of your butt, Maine is the first state to VOTE for Gay Marriage.

        • Anonymous

          And they approved it!  Isn’t it a great day?

        • Guest

          ☆ミ

          • Anonymous

            It was obviously forced through decades of hatred filled cohersion

          • Anonymous

            That is ridiculous. Gays and lesbians demanding equality is not hatred.

        • Anonymous

          Showing the country once again that MOST Mainers are secure enough in their own skin to not worry or judge what other people think and believe.  Yay us!

          • Anonymous

            Or more likely are either afraid of being politically incorrect or have very little real morals.

        • Anonymous

          And Massachusetts was the first state to allow SSM so, please point to all the “what will be next” things that have occurred there.

          • Anonymous

            Exactly. It’s been eight years since the SJC ruled that Massachusetts must offer marriage to gay and lesbian couples. We have the most experience, and the most time has passed since the process began. Society has not crumbled here. The main thing that has happened is that tens of thousands of same sex couples are being treated more like other couples. They and their children are more secure legally. 

            Sure a two families of conservatives got pissed off at schools enough to sue their school systems to try to prevent their kids from ever hearing about homosexuality, but the US Supreme court decided that parents can’t micro-dictate their school’s curricula. Catholic Charities which had placed a few kids with same sex couples over the years was forced by the Archdiocese of Boston to stop all adoption services because the church leaders decided they did not want to comply with the 1989 Massachusetts civil rights law prohibiting anti-gay discrimination. 

            Ending discrimination is worth discomforting the decreasing number of people who don’t understand how society is changing in regard to homosexuality.

    • They’re coming to your house tonight Larry….they’re confiscating your Ted Nugent and Toby Keith albums and replacing them with the Pet Shop Boys, Elton John and the Village People! Lock your doors! :D

      • Anonymous

        Let them come I don’t have anything to hide, can you say the same thing? Be damn careful what you wish for.

        • Oh Larry, don’t be such a stick in the mud. They call this a joke. :D

          • Anonymous

            Threatening someone with Federal proscution is a joke? The USDOJ may be a joke under Obama/Holder, but proscution ain’t.

          • Alec Cunningham

            Federal prosecution?  Gay people coming to take your Ted Nugent albums and replacing them with Village People records is now Federal prosecution?  Gosh!  Maybe there WAS more to this law than I thought!

          • I clearly didn’t know my “audience” was not only lacking humor, but lacking connection with reality…again, as with Keith, oh well. :D

        • Alec Cunningham

          *I* actually DO have something to hide.  I have three Ted Nugent albums and one Toby Keith CD along with my Madonna and Abba records.  Thank God my identity is a secret here!!!
          Then again, if they look anything like Jon Hamm, then let them come!!!

  • Anonymous

    whawell
    “I did not condemn or try to belittle anyone. Poster stearns66 did that by falsely accusing Catholics of condoning child molestation. How low can you go? Had the poster level the same accusation at the gay organization NAMBLA, then no one could disagree.”

    No, you blatantly and repeatedly lied about same sex couples and the children raised by same sex couples.  You should be ashamed of yourself, but feeling shame, or any emotion for that matter, seems to be beyond your cold, black, shriveled excuse for a heart.

    • Anonymous

      Whawhell constantly spreads misinformation and says very hateful things about others. Then when pressed, he/she screams victim. It’s pathetic. 

      • Anonymous

        Oh, I know that whawell is nothing more than a disgusting bigot who will lie to further his anti-gay agenda.

  •  “Don’t try to frighten us with your sorcerer’s ways Lord Melora. Your sad devotion to that ancient religion has not helped you conjure up any evidence the Bible is nothing more than a fairytale, or given you clairvoyance enough to understand  equality means more to the majority of people than Bronze Age dogma”

  • Anonymous

    Oh no!  Chicken Little, Henny Penny, Goosey Loosey and all the rest run, run, run!  You must go tell the king the sky is falling because Maine used their common sense and voted to live and let live without judgment.  What’s next people?  While you are working on trying to repeal same sex marriage why not work on repealing interacial marriage and maybe even women’s rights?  I think I’d rather move forward then backward myself thank you.

  • Anonymous

    We are living in one sick society!  

    • Grindhouse Live

       how so?

      • Anonymous

        Gays like me are allowed to be openly fabulous!  Now, straight guys have no excuse for anything less than a perfect wedding.

        • Anonymous

          +1

        • Anonymous

          Hah! My husband and I eloped after 16 years of shacking up in 2007, and had a Justice of the Peace marry us in the living room of our apartment in Boston. We had one guest, the JP’s daughter. I baked a cake and we made a pork roast. One of my husband’s sisters came down from Belfast, ME and enjoyed our supper with us (coincidentally it was her birthday). It was great, but it was not fabulous at all. Our 5th anniversary is this Saturday. I’m so happy our marriage won’t disappear into a legal haze next time we cross the Piscataqua River Bridge!

    • Tedlick Badkey

      I take it you’re not happy?

      That’s sad… but it won’t ruin my day!!!

    • Anonymous

      No one is forcing you to remain in a free country.

      • No one said you had to stay here..you want your socialist utopia …move to China

        • Alec Cunningham

          China doesn’t approve of gay people, so that’s really not a good option for Carrotcakeman.   And isn’t China a Communist country?

          • Keith is one of those posters that just makes you smack your forehead. China is becoming more capitalist economically all the time and is not socially liberal. A European country, like say, Denmark would be a much better “slam”. Oh well…

          • Anonymous

            I would choose France, but America is my home, and I love my country.  It’s the anti-gays that hate America.

    • Anonymous

      Thankfully, it is getting better as we treat one another equally under our government, as has happened with this vote!

      • Anonymous

        Sure and don’t forget the illegal immigrants and there rights! End of discussions!

        • Alec Cunningham

          Hugs!

  • Anonymous

    What will the process be to change State and local Statutes to reflect the change in the definitions of “spouse,” and “immediate family,” as defined in matters pertaining to conflict of interest, etc., and how quickly will that occur.

  • Anonymous

    If i was the gov i would not sign it.Let the moonbats and whacko’s impeach me.The inmates are about to run the asylum again anyway.

    • Alec Cunningham

      Even though the people decided?  Isn’t that what Mr. LePage is all about?

    • Anonymous

      timjy in 2009: Don’t let the legislature go against the will of the people!!

      timjy in 2012: Please governor go against the will of the people!

      You seem to be the one who struggles with morality, since you change your ethics and ideals to hold on to your prejudices.

    • Tedlick Badkey

      Your use of the English language assures us that you’ll never be governor. 

      • Alec Cunningham

        Proper use of the subjunctive crosses all sexuality lines.

    • Anonymous

      From what I have read the Governor doesn’t have an option. He has to certify the election results and once that is done the law takes affect 30 days later.

      • Anonymous

        90 days, gives them time to amend the law, unless it’s a constitutional law

        • Anonymous

          Ahhh no. A people’s initiative becomes law after the Secretary of State certifies the vote (normally 30 days) and the Governor is required to certify the vote 10 days after that by law. SSM will become law 30 days after the Governor certifies the election results unless he wants to create a Constitutional Crisis which would be very interesting to watch.

          So approximately 70 days will pass before a same sex couple can apply for and obtain a marriage license.

          And the law is not open to amendment. It becomes law as written.

        • Alec Cunningham

          Not 90 days.  Read the article.  And why would he amend the law when it was his office that approved the wording in the first place and it was that wording that the people voted on?

          • Anonymous

            The house has the right to amend most bills passed by the people within 90 days, after 90 days the law stands.. unless it is a constitution bill, then they can’t modify it.

          • Anonymous

            They won’t touch it.

  • Anonymous

    If you are correct, then gays have a problem with God.  And God will certainly handle that.  It’s not my job to intervene.

  • “Americans remain strongly in favor of marriage as the union of one man
    and one woman,” he said.

    Maybe so, though the tables are turning in every demographic. America is frustrating in that it takes it’s good old time getting things right, though in time, we usually get it right. I’m proud to be part of a state that’s ahead of the curve. Progression! Not Regression!

    And odd…my marriage feels, well, exactly the same as it did last night. :P

  • Anonymous

    This morning my husband and I woke up to find that a whole new world has opened up and more people will be able to be part of the happiness and security that we have had for 33 years and will enjoy until death do us part.  Amen!

  • Anonymous

    When the US dollar plumments to Zero because nobody paid attention to real issues and danced in  a circle for the social issues, it won’t much matter.

    • Anonymous

      Didn’t the rest of the country vote yesterday too?

    • Anonymous

      Ummm….listen some more…you will find out it has way more to do with Europe than the election. Please don’t accuse me of not paying attention when it is YOU that is not paying attention.

      • Anonymous

        See you in the bread line.

        • Anonymous

          It’s always so sad to see anti-gays  hoping that all Americans will suffer for not being homophobic.

          • Anonymous

            Your anger should subside soon.

          • Anonymous

            Why should I be angry?  LGBT Americans had a HUGE WIN, and anti-gays had yet another crushing defeat.  Just wait, there will be more defeats for anti-gays just in this month of November.  Next up:  United States Supreme Court.

    • Alec Cunningham

      Well, then, I guess they should have left well enough alone when the governor signed the bill on 5-6-2009.  All this “dancing in circles” would never have occurred.

      • Anonymous

        Your knowledge in history of gay issues in Maine must be your strong subject.

        • Alec Cunningham

          Thanks, man!  This is an important issue to me and the day the governor signed that bill was the birthday of a dear friend, so I have no trouble remember that date.
          Oh, wait-were you trying to insult me?

    • Anonymous

      Are you regretting the time you wasted fretting over this issue? Realizing that treating each other equally under our laws wasn’t worth fighting after all?

      Welcome! We can all work together to solve the real problems of the world, there is far more we have in common than these differences you let divide us.

    • Anonymous

      It’s the GOP in Congress that are sabotaging our economy.

  • Frankie

    I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again:  You have two groups of people in this debate that should be ashamed of themselves.  The first group, are those that hate gay people, SOME of which identify themselves as Christian.  The second group, are the supporters of gay marriage that hate ALL Christians, and/or anyone that does not agree with their ideas/beliefs.  There is hypocrisy on BOTH sides of the argument, in great volumes might I add.  People are not just sticking to the facts surrounding the debate.  Multiple generalizations, misconceptions, lies, accusations, and hate speech has been generated as a result of twisting the truth about the gay marriage controversy.  All you have to do, is scroll down a little bit with your mouse, and start reading the comments on this story, and any other story concerning gay marriage.  You will see exactly what I’m talking about.  There is much hatred surrounding not only this issue right now, but our current political situation as well.  The underlying tones that are obvious in our culture right now are scary, and disturbing.  People are becoming more hateful, intolerant, nasty, and downright ignorant!  There can’t be any mature debate in this day and age.  It seems that those who disagree with your point of view are bad people in your eyes.  That is effed up.  Our country is doomed…

    • Anonymous

      So head on out of our country.  Bud did you know Canada has marriage equality also?

  • hey-I’m-your-man

    Its a shame that in Maine a sinful lifstyle is accepted.

    • Which sin? Seems to me the 7 deadly sins are all doing pretty well in this world.

    • Anonymous

      ???????????

    • Anonymous

      What about all  the lying  that happen ?? so thats not sham full

    • Anonymous

      No, Mainers took a stand against the sinful lies that the Catholic church and NOM were spreading.

      There’s no sin in a committed love that two people who marry share.

    • Anonymous

      Well, it’s true anti-gays are sinful, but if the Maine Ethics Commission doesn’t catch them cheating this time too, we can’t arrest them.

  • Anonymous

    So, are they only allowed to get married in the green areas on the map ?????????? If anybody needed poof of who runs the state, this map shows it all …………….

    • Anonymous

      No, our freedoms apply to ALL Mainers, everywhere in Maine.

  • Anonymous

    I am always astounded at the amount of people who are so mean and cruel to others.  If we all stopped fighting and starting helping each other we would ALL be much better off.  You may not agree with each other but that doesn’t give you the right to treat your fellow human unkindly. 

  • Roy

    guess if they allow it to be on the ballot year after year it  was only matter of time be4 it got the votes.so guess its not adam n eve now its adam n steve.whats this world coming to

    • Alec Cunningham

      It is not that “they” allow it, ANY referendum is allowed if there are enough signatures!  Even one to change this new law.
      But, did you know that part of this law does NOT exclude “Adam and Eve,” rather it allows “Adam and Steve” as WELL as “Adam and Eve.”  It’s in the fine print…

    • Anonymous

      another lie  !!

  • Roy

    now instead of adam and eve its adam and steve lol

    • Anonymous

      Why don’t the anti-gays ever say Eve and Eve?

      • Anonymous

        They are more obsessed with that kind of “gay sex” than the other kind of “gay sex.”

      • Alec Cunningham

        I prefer to use the example of “Betty and Veronica.”

  • Roy

    im not much of a bible reader but doesnt it say no man shall ly with another man

    • Anonymous

      it also say i shell not lie either so don’t cherry pick

      • Oh …you need to pet your poodle!

        • Anonymous

          And you want to watch, doncha?

        • Anonymous

          Like me an other people have said people don’t need to cherry pick at the bible which they did .

    • Anonymous

      Nope, those are just LIES anti-gays inserted into the Bible in the 1500s.

  • Anonymous

    License on Jan 5.  Married on Jan 6.   See the divorce attorney in February.

    • Anonymous

      I don’t think Kim Kardashian is coming to Maine any time soon.

    • Anonymous

      is that what you are going to do   ?

    • Anonymous

      Tedlick and I have been together for over 20 years, so I don’t think that’s going to happen here.

    • Anonymous

      It’s always sad to see anti-gays fantasizing about loving, committed same gender couples suffering.

  • Anonymous

    This election season has simply proven that not only the State of Maine but the entire country has lost it’s moral compass. God help us as it’s prefectly clear in todays society that the majority of Americans only want to help themselves!

    • Alec Cunningham

      Funny, I thought that all those Obama socialist programs were about helping EVERYONE.  Now I’m confused!!!

      • Anonymous

        It’s so hard to keep up with the right-wing lies, they change on a daily basis.

      • Anonymous

        The Obama socialist programs are about the 47% helping themselve to the labor of the 51% who actually work and pay taxes.

        • Alec Cunningham

          You poor dear.  You really believe that, don’t you?

          • Anonymous

            I think Disqus is actually reaching into some sort of alternate reality where Obama is literally the devil and gay marriage is literally the downfall of civilizations.  There is no way that these people are actually living in our reality.

  • Old Bear

    This is so wonderful now my children can see 2 man or woman walking around holding hands in public. Daddy who are they, well son thats Adam and Gev. This is the new Maine. Awful thing for kids to see.

    • Alec Cunningham

      Did you know that two guys or two gals could already hold hands in public?  That has nothing to do with the new law.
      It’s sad that people use children as a crutch for their closed-minded way of looking at things.

      • Anonymous

        Yes you are so right .. What about little kids holding abortion posters 

      • Old Bear

        Its wrong and you now its wrong. The turth is the gays do not want to hear the turth. WRONG WRONG WRONG.

        • Alec Cunningham

          Why is it wrong wrong wrong?

          • Anonymous

            Because anti-gays are jealous jealous jealous.

        • Anonymous

          Nope, anti-gays are the ones who are WRONG, for trying to HURT loving, committed same gender couples.

    • Anonymous

      If it’s harder and scarier for you to explain to your child 

      why some people love each other 

      than for you to explain to your child 

      why some people should be treated less than equal…

      you’re doing it wrong.

  • Roy

    i grew up with adam and eve now my grandkids will grow up learning bout adam and steve

    • Alec Cunningham

      The only people who talk about “Adam and Steve” are people like you who go on about “Adam and Eve-not Adam and Steve.”  That being said, you can tell your grandchildren anything you want about gay people.  That hasn’t changed.

    • Anonymous

      Wait, if you grew up with Adam and Eve, who made YOU? I didn’t read that God made Adam, Eve, and Roy together in the garden…

    • Anonymous

      Young people just laugh at anti-gay nonsense like that.

  • As a people’s morality goes, so go its fortunes. You simply cannot be one kind of people but have another kind of government!

    Remember…we tried to warn you! YOU refused to listen! You will reap what you sow!

    I’ll just sit back now and watch all of you idiots self destruct!

    • Alec Cunningham

      Like the idiots are doing in Massachusetts and Canada?

      • Anonymous

        Don’t even bother with him  he’s not worth it

    • Anonymous

      The majority of Mainers took a very wonderful stand for morality this election, and did what Jesus would want us to do!

    • Anonymous

      So now you hate all your fellow Mainers who voted YES as much as you hate LGBT Mainers?

    • trisailer

       What would make you believe that we are going to self destruct when we just demonstrated to you that we have the skills to beat you? We beat Romney and Rove and Limbaugh and we did it by attracting people to hope instead of fear.

      But you keep believing in your fear based life. Your ideas have only produced economic success for a handful of people while depriving millions of opportunity.

      We sat back and watched you destroy the economy. We watched in horror as Bush and company let us be attacked. We watched you respond by attacking Iraq, who had nothing to do with 9/11. We watched you create a whole new government agency at a cost of hundreds of billions while claiming smaller government. We watched you create the Patriot act which now watches all of us and everything we do. We see you spend over a trillion dollars a year for ships and planes while our economy is starved for investment.

      Yes, we will reap what we sow. I don’t see how we can do worse that what you fools have already done.

    • Anonymous

      oh dear, fire and brimstone (today, we call it a volcano) …

  • Anonymous

    The Roman Catholic theologian Thomas Aquinas taught that women were defective men, imperfect in both body and soul. They were conceived either because of defective sperm or because a damp wind was blowing at the time of conception.  We have come a long way since those days.  Things are changing.  Get used to it.

  • Anonymous

    For all you people that hate gay marriage there is a country that will welcome you with open arms ,, UGANDA

    • There’s a country that all you liberals can go to….China!

      • Alec Cunningham

        China is a Communist country that doesn’t take kindly to gay people.

        • Anonymous

          un regular joe is more like it your getting more attenion with your dress the your pants

          • Alec Cunningham

            What?

          • Anonymous

            “bong”

      • Anonymous

        I’m not going anywhere, and now I’ll be able to protect my life with Tedlick using civil marriage rights here in Maine! What a fantastic thing!

  • Anonymous

    The moral, biblical definition for marriage is still between a man a woman. You didn’t win anything before God. You lost. You have a reprobate mind that can’t be bothered by your sin. You are given over to your sin.
    “Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonor their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worship and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
    (Rom 1:21-28)

    • Alec Cunningham

      And you are still free to observe it as such.  That hasn’t changed and will never change.

    • Anonymous

      You are LYING about the Bible.  The major Christian, Jewish and other denominations that are marrying same gender couples now are being denied their right to practice their religion freely in 44 US States.  These denominations have married same gender couples in 7 US States and the District of Columbia:

      The Association of Welcoming and Affirming Baptists
      The Episcopal Church
      Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
      Metropolitan Community Church
      Conservative Judaism
      Reform Judaism
      Religious Society of Friends (Quakers)
      Unitarian Universalist Church
      United Church of Christ

      Last year, The Presbyterian Church (USA) voted to accept LGBT ministers, and they expect to marry same gender couples next year. The Association of Unity Churches International is discussing same gender marriage.  In some parts of the U.S., Methodist pastors have been marrying same-sex couples or conducting blessing ceremonies for same-sex unions for years with little fanfare and no backlash from the denomination. Calls to overturn the rule have become increasingly vocal in recent weeks, ratcheting up the pressure for the Methodist church to join other mainline Protestant denominations that have become more accepting of openly gay leaders.
       
      These denominations all agree with modern Biblical scholars, who have proven the Bible was intentionally mistranslated relatively recently to provide “Biblical cover” for rising levels of homophobia.

    • trisailer

       Fine, that may be true for you and if it makes you feel better, I say good for you. The thing I could never understand is why you find it necessary for others to believe what you believe. If faith and belief that you will inherent the kingdom of god was so valuable than why not keep it for yourself? Religion would do just fine in America if they stuck with believing what they want to believe without trying to force it on the rest of us.

      You know you can attract more flies with honey.

      Your own book tells you not to judge. If you want to follow the word, how about starting with that one. We have a long history of what you folks do when you get a little power and it is never pretty.

      I am perfectly happy to let you go about your belief but keep out of my business. There is going to be blow back from your meddling. Most of the cultural division that I see in America is being caused by your desperation to control the rest of us.

       

    • Anonymous

      “I do not like green eggs and ham I do not like them Sam-I-Am.” 
      ― Dr. Seuss, Green Eggs and Ham (1:20PM)
      seems as relevant a quote …

  • Alec Cunningham

     It’s not necessary to flag so many posts.  Many are ignorant, but few break the rules. 

  • Anonymous

    wonderful graphic showing 6 counties telling the other 10 what to do…

    • Alec Cunningham

      Gee, and it was the opposite graphic three years ago when those counties against SSM told those for it what to do.
      But, you have missed the point.  NO ONE is telling anyone what to do.  NO ONE is being forced to marry someone of the same gender and NO ONE is being forced to perform such a wedding.  Maybe you didn’t know that?

    • Anonymous

      Do? What do you mean? Are you going to be forced to have a gay marriage? Was that part of the question? 

    • Anonymous

      LOL, no one is telling anyone they have to go get gay married.

      If you are upset because your secret boyfriend is going to start bugging you to tie the knot, you’ll just have to deal with it.

    • We would be better off without that whole annoying voting thing eh Jack? ;)

      • Anonymous

        Anti-gays do think they should be able to run everyone else’s lives.

  • Old Bear

     If same sex couples can get married they should Legalized Prostitution next year. Lets get it on the ballot. The state can even get tax money out of them.

    • Alec Cunningham

      Weeeeee!  I think someone on here has already started that petition!  Nevada’s had it awhile with no meteor strike, so why not Maine!??!

    • Anonymous

      Prostitution is already legal, you just have to film it.

    • Anonymous

      Why, sweetie, do you want to watch?

      • Old Bear

        Makes me sick to think about it and do not call me sweetie.

    • Now you’re talking. And we should work on that nagging marijuana issue as well. :D

  • ChuckGG

    I wanted to say congratulations to all who have worked so hard to achieve marriage equality in Maine.  I know many of us have posted and commented for years and I wanted to say what a pleasure that has been doing so with you.  I feel as if I know some of you by now.

    It has been a long and contentious battle.

    I knew the end was near when the Catholic church backed out. Say what you want about them, but they usually don’t throw money down a rat hole for a lost cause – well, not for long, anyway.

    We should resist the urge to gloat.  In another year or two when SSM has been the law of the land and no negative events have occurred, perhaps those naysayers may come around to a more tolerant point of view.  The goal here is to be mainstream and that is what has happened where I live.  Over the last decade or so we have lost a number of gay bars and clubs.  I attribute that to the fact there is no longer a need to “hide” in one’s own watering hole.  These days, no one cares about someone being gay.  People are out at the office and in the neighborhoods, at schools, and in public.  The closet door has been removed and good riddance.

    Acceptance will come.  Let’s look at what happened in NH.  After two-years of SSM on the books, some of the conservatives tried to introduce a bill in the NH House of Representatives to repeal SSM and replace it with civil unions.  Now, really, what the point was in this move completely eludes me.  In any event, the House was 2/3 Republican.  When the vote came to the floor, it was soundly defeated 211-116, meaning the conservatives could not even get their OWN people to agree to the measure!  Amazing.

    A public poll taken around that time showed a 57% favorable opinion of SSM vs. a 37% negative view – I’m pulling those numbers from memory, but I think they are pretty close.

    Back in 2009 when SSM was repealed, it was estimated Maine would earn an addition $22M/year in increased tourism.  Let’s hope that holds true.

    So, again, congratulations to all!  I look forward to retiring to the family farm in Maine in a few years, knowing that my family will enjoy the same rights as others, and knowing that young kids coming up through the ranks now will realize they are not alone, not second-class citizens, and have the opportunity to marry the person they love.

    That’s a pretty good deal from where I stand.

    • Alec Cunningham

      Well, I’d like to address the loss of the gay bar.  I don’t feel that the gay bars were a place to hide; rather, it was a place where guys with something in common could go.  I see it as something similar to sports bars or Latino bars.  Even though it’s great to be able to go to most any bar or club with no issue, I miss the option of going to a gay bar.  Going to Rage (in West Hollywood) is not the same as going to Carolina’s!

      • ChuckGG

        I have to agree with you.  We had some favorite places.  “Friends” was one in DC.  Piano bar, regular crowd.  Lots of fun.  And, of course, there’s Annie’s Steak House that actually served gay couples back in the 1950’s and the gay community has never forgotten that, generation after generation.  So, I agree, there are lots of places that are fun and where friends gather.  Here in DC we have “Nellie’s” which is a sports bar – screens everywhere and it is quite the sports crowd.  Gay Night at the Capitol’s stadium is another event.

        You are quite correct, it is fun to head out with friends to a local watering hole.

        I also was thinking about back in the early 1980’s in Baltimore and other older cities.  I recall more than one small hole-in-the-wall gay bar with lights so low you could hardly see.  There were so many closet cases back then.  Guys would go to the bars in other towns rather than “risk” someone discovering them.  Hence, my use of the word, “hide.”

        I also remember in DC back in the 80’s, I’d say.  Some local cop was blackmailing bisexual married men.  He’d go to a local strip of gay bars and find mini-vans parked with child seats in them.  He’d note the license plate (tags, as they call them here), call them in and get their names and addresses.  He’d then approach the guy and threaten to “out” him to his wife unless he was paid some money.  They eventually caught the guy and put him in jail.

        Today, we look at that as a near impossibility.  So many people are “out” and even if they weren’t they would tell the cop to fry his posterior.  Times have changed and for the better.  The need for the gay bars just isn’t there to the extent that it was but it still is nice to meet at them with friends.

  • Wonder what the “wedding” gifts are gonna.be???ewwwwwww!

    • Alec Cunningham

      Personally, I LOVE Fiesta Ware!  I’d like a nice service for eight, please!  In either Cobalt or Paprika.

      • Anonymous

        No, in as many different colors as possible, and never repeat the same color on the table until you have been all the way around.  Trust me on this, Joe.

        • Alec Cunningham

          Maybe you’re right……!

          • Anonymous

            Chartreuse is wonderful, you gotta have turquoise, check out Amazon, and get the FIVE PIECE PLACE SETTINGS with cups and saucers, not mugs.  Buy a few pieces of the old stuff from before 1972 and DO NOT put them in the dishwasher.

            My mom & dad had Fiesta, and my older brother and I would fight over the light blue plates.  He has about 1,000 pieces of old Fiesta, and I have about 700 of the new stuff.  Yes, my brother is gay, too.

    • Anonymous

      Since we have been together for 20+ years, Tedlick and I are going to register at Marden’s!

    • Anonymous

      Is that you trying to peek into their bedroom window?  We know WHY you are TOO CURIOUS:

      “Homophobia is apparently associated with homosexual arousal that the homophobic individual is either unaware of or denies.”

      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8772014

      • I am not your type…and you are not going to lure me into a gay conversation with you..

        • Anonymous

          You’re the one who’s always writing to me.  We see how often you write that you are fantasizing about “gay sex,” but you’re outta luck with me.  One, because I’m already taken, and Two, I like men, not anti-gays.

  • Just remember…you cannot legislate tolerance..just sayin’

    • Anonymous

      It was never ‘tolerance’ we were after, it was equal treatment under our government.

      Have a great day, I know I have!

      • Don’t forget to wash.up later

        • Anonymous

          Sounds like someone’s jealous…

          • Anonymous

            Keith spends an awful lot of time fantasizing about “gay sex.”

    • Anonymous

      And anti-gays can’t legislate homophobia.  Clearly, HOMOPHOBIA LOST.

  • Anonymous

    Oh Joy

  • Anonymous

    Seeing the above map puts it into perspective for me now. The natives Mainers voted against this. The only areas that voted in favor of it were  counties where out of staters have moved in, all flatlanders wanting to come here and change things. It at least makes me have faith that my fellow natives have morals.

    • Anonymous

      And 100% of the intelligent ones will now get to see that gay marriage is a good thing for Maine, and doesn’t affect their lives one bit.

    • Anonymous

      Anti-gays seek to demean, demonize and dehumanize LGBT Americans, and with a majority of Mainers voting against their nasty anti-gay agenda and FOR “Equal Protection Under the Law,” well, OF COURSE the anti-gays would start dehumanizing the majority of Mainers.

    • Alec Cunningham

      That makes sense.  Everyone I know in the pro-SSM counties all came from New York and Massachusetts.  I mean EVERYONE did.  And everyone in Washington and Penobscot counties were all born here.  Yes, makes perfect sense.  Everyone who voted for SSM is from away and everyone who voted against it was born here.  Yup.  That about sums it up.
      ~rolls eyes~
      Oh, I just remembered-my boyfriend was born in Bangor to straight parents also born in Maine.  I guess he’s the only exception…..?

    • Anonymous

      Native Americans probably consider you to be a ‘flatlander’.   Not sure about your history
      but I might consider you to be a ‘flatlander’ myself.  Many ‘native Mainers’ support equal (not special) rights for all citizens.  Marriage is a legally binding union between two consenting adults and it has nothing to do with religion unless one chooses that path.   

  • CaptainLB

    To the Elite it was is said that this will happen ..stand fast and shine on there blood will be on there own heads no matter how they code it its not our place to judge that is Gods job we must stand for whats coming is far worst so shine and help when it starts to fall apart

    • Anonymous

      “Oh rubbish. You have no power here. Be gone before somebody drops a house on you too!”
       

    • Anonymous

      “next thing you know, she’ll be tyin’ your beards up in pink ribbons and smellin’ ya up with that stuffed called, uh … perfoom.” 
      -Grumpy, Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs

      as good as any quote from that ancient collection of tales written by humans …

  • Anonymous

    Whole country going to hell in a handbasket!

    • Anonymous

      No one’s forcing you to stay here.

      • Nor you…just remember ya…can’t.legislate tolerance or acceptance

        • Anonymous

          Anti-gays can’t legislate homophobia.  They tried that yesterday–and failed.

    • Alec Cunningham

      Even Alabama?

      • Tedlick Badkey

        Too late.

  • Anonymous

    The best thing we can say to anti-gays is:

    “Oh rubbish. You have no power here. Be gone before somebody drops a house on you too!”

    (audio clip)

    http://www.hark.com/clips/drwggxlthd-be-gone-before-someone-drops-a-house-on-you

    • Anonymous

      So carrot cake man, do you have compainion, or are you all alone after all the work you put into this… Your passion was noticeable. Good luck!!! Have fun and I hope all your efforts has it’s rewards for you..  And yes I would have rubbed it in if the vote went the other way. So go for it!!! All is fair in war.

      • Anonymous

        This obsession anti-gays have with the private lives of same gender couples is unhealthy.

        • Anonymous

          obession???, more like amusement..

          • Anonymous

            You come and post at EVERY article that concerns LGBT Americans, that’s an obsession, you yourself proved it.

          • Anonymous

            No just calling it “amusement” shows us just how unhealthy your preoccupation has been.

          • Anonymous

            unhealthy preoccuption. I was just trying to open minds, like you do.. you guys have no idea how I voted on this issue.. I have no shame or guilt,  I’m a Catholic. I will be forgiven..

          • Anonymous

            push I never claimed to know how you voted in any of my posts so please don’t generalize.

  • Anonymous

    yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!!!

  • Anonymous

    Throw some water on an anti-gay, and they will melt.

  • Anonymous

    When we talk about tolerance of the gay agenda we forget we must all have tolerance of the bigot, the christian, the catholic, the aetheist,etc. Why? because dammit everyone and I mean EVERYONE at least under the constitution I was raised on has the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness whether it be a 2nd amendment supporter or a roe vs wade promoter. I Love this country because it was created on adversity. If everyone was a robot that fits someones pre-concieved notion of what is the perfect anthropod we may as well take a step back in time to the creation of the Arayan race and ole Adolph’s ideas.My belief is when your agenda is treading on me or someone else a rebellion has ensued in the past when this type of isolationist politics were parlayed. What do I think personally?  I’m a Libertarian You figure it out..

  • Anonymous

    The map showing the results is a bit interesting.

    • Anonymous

      It certainly shows us where the Mainers who support the United States Constitution’s guarantee of “Equal Protection Under the Law” live.  It’s sad that some Mainers vote to SUBVERT the Constitution.

  • Anonymous

    No matter how much anti-gays whine, that doesn’t change the central fact that they LOST all across America yesterday.  There are going to be more and more defeats coming for anti-gays.

  • Superuser23

    If asked for advice from his former coalition partners, Mutty said he would advise against launching a referendum to undo the gay marriage law anytime soon.

    “I think Maine people would be very distraught to see another vote on this issue come that quickly,” he said. “I think people have had enough and I don’t think the resources are there to do it.”

    Heck you folks barley wait 2 years and was right back at it again putting it out to vote after it was overturned the first time, and you are telling your opponents not to launch a referendum anytime soon…

    • Alec Cunningham

      Mutty is not on our side-he was on the side opposing SSM in 2009.  Your own cut-and-paste shows that Mutty is the one advising people to wait.

      • Superuser23

        Not if you read into it

    • Anonymous

      “Justice delayed is justice denied.”  LGBT Americans are AMERICANS, why should we just sit around and wait for the SAME right other Mainers take for granted?

    • Anonymous

      You do realize that Mutty was the head of the veto referrendum in 2009, and is NOT a supporter for same-sex marriage, right?

      WE are not telling you whether to launch another campaign or not. That’s up to you.

      • Anonymous

        It was all so much easier for anti-gays in 2009.  They had all that money from away.  But since then nationwide some 15% MORE Americans support marriage equality as an issue of “Equal Protection Under the Law.”  There will be that many more Mainer voters who will oppose them in the future.

      • Superuser23

        We probably should anyways…

        • Alec Cunningham

          You have that right.

          So did Michael Heath in 2010 when he tried to get signatures to rescind the voter-approved anti-discrimination law of 2005.  Unfortunately for him, he had to give up after about 5000 signatures.  If you can get your 57,000+ signatures, then have at it!

    • trisailer

       I think that if you analyze it you will find that the reason that the referendum passed this time is because the issue was framed as a civil law equality debate. It will be hard for opponents to resurrect the homophobic fear driven campaign.

  • Eric Jackson

    The same sex marriage proponents can solidify the law by showing tolerance and not suing people who do not wish to take part in the wedding or celebration.  I understand this vote has nothing to do with businesses being required to serve all equally, but the press from lawsuits forcing people to participate will only give your opposition opportunity to repeal the law, again.  This passed by a slim margin and will likely face another repeal effort.  Besides, do you really want a disgruntled caterer preparing food for you?

    • Alec Cunningham

      I agree.  I would only want to patronize those businesses that are supportive.

    • Anonymous

      6% is a slim margin? 

      • Anonymous

        Some people are quite desperate to downplay what a crushing defeat yesterday was for anti-gays all across America.

        • Anonymous

          They live in a fringe right wing bubble. They deny all the facts they dont like — but this is one undeniable fact, so they have to come up with all these weird and baseless reasons as to why they loss. 

        • crushing defeat, WOW really not even…… Also there is already in the works the repeal so lets see how long we can tie this whole issue up!

          • Alec Cunningham

            This cannot be repealed, so I am not sure how valid your data is about it already in the works.

          • Anonymous

            They’re just whistling past the graveyard.

    • Anonymous

      Pease check with Emily Post or Miss Manners.  A photographer is not a member of the wedding party, and a baker isn’t even invited to the wedding.

      What Mr. Jackson may not realize is that in all of these situations, the anti-gay business owners never just say, “Gee, sorry, I’m all booked up for that date,” the anti-gays chose to insult the same gender couples in writing.  Maybe anti-gays could meet loving, committed same gender couples half way and not send us insulting emails and instead at least tell a social lie. 

      • Anonymous

        Then there’s that routine where they say “Gays sued because they were denied the use of a Methodist Church in New Jersey,” and it turns out it is NOT a CHURCH, it’s a pavilion that hosts weddings from all faiths all the time that is ON PUBLIC PROPERTY ON THE BOARDWALK.

      • Anonymous

        You are doing a wonderful job getting that hate out.. keep it up for a couple of weeks and the anger for hetrosexuals should deminish some.. If that doesn’t work I have no other suggestions.

        • Anonymous

          No, it’s hateful to discriminate against others. It’s already illegal to refuse business to a gay person because they’re gay. Just like it’s illegal to refuse business to a black person or someone who is Jewish or someone who is disabled. That’s hate.

        • Anonymous

          Psychologists call this attempt by anti-gays to claim their intended VICTIMS are “the real haters” “projection.”  Everyone else just laughs at anti-gays and the foolish things they say.

  • Anonymous

    What a very sad day for Maine.

  • Anonymous

    Bye bye to inappropriate posts and homophobic slurs! I am proud to be a native Mainer, not so proud of some of the comments I am seeing this morning. I live in one of the “red” counties – now the hate is showing.

  • Anonymous

    Something tells me the sky won’t fall….

  • Anonymous

    So there’s time to over turn this….again.

    • Tedlick Badkey

      How?

    • Anonymous

      in case you missed it, this was an actual vote not the legislature– so do you really think that all the ones that voted yea will cahnge their minds suddenly?
      just get over it- it won’t hurt you– dont believe in SSM? dont have one, dont like gays, dont associate with any– its that simple

      • Anonymous

        Well I’m asking for. Residency count from Sept to Nov if there’s a big
        change then we should have a re vote denouncing the previous vote.
        But change a few rules first. Like must live here a year first or 5 years after
        during presidential election year.

        • Anonymous

          Wow, what a sore loser…

        • Anonymous

          HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA…  How about we make all voters take an IQ test and a pop science quiz?

        • Tedlick Badkey

          You need to read up on the law… you’re missing a lot.

    • Anonymous

      Federal courts have ruled it’s unconstitutional to take away the rights of a minority after granting them. 

      • Gays and lesbians aren’t considered a minority!

        • Anonymous

          Um, yes, they are. Don’t argue with me about that, argue with all the courts that affirm that. 

        • Alec Cunningham

          No?  There are more gays and lesbians than straight people?  I thought those who oppose us said that there’s 2% in the country.  Which is it???

        • Anonymous

          Yes, LGBT Americans are considered a minority by many courts, including the First US Circuit Court of Appeals.  That includes Maine.  The 2nd US Circuit and 9th Circuit concur so far. 

      • Anonymous

         The only thing we heard over and over through the Vote Yes campaign was
        that a Yes vote would achieve equality.  Now you’re saying you’re not
        equal?

        • Anonymous

          Equal at the state level.  Now on to the federal level.

        • Alec Cunningham

          Your reply doesn’t make sense in response that that comment.

  • The map is a very telling story all by itself.

    • Anonymous

      LOL, like we could survive as a state without southern Maine. They carry us. 

  • Anonymous

    It’s a shame that not even the leaders of the Catholic diocese can do enough historical study to understand that marriage today is absolutely NOT “what we have understood it to be like for millenia…”  There is no stable definition of marriage that has existed for millenia.  Biblical figures had multiple wives, not to mention concubines.  Women used to have no say in the selection of their husband by their families.  In many cultures women have been considered the property of their husbands.  In ancient Athens, men could legally kill their wives for committing adultery.  The idea of “traditional marriage” is a fantasy of the modern age; this is why we study history. 

  • Anonymous

    Ah, another referendum in the works.  Further proof that politicians and
    preachers come from the same gene pool — deep in their twisty little
    hearts, they all want to spend other people’s money and tell other
    people what to do. 

    “No matter who you voted for, the Government won.” 

  • Anonymous

    Lets repeal this oh no I will be bashed sorry

    • Tedlick Badkey

      Hon, you can’t… you can change it, but you cannot repeal it.

    • Alec Cunningham

      You won’t be bashed.  Go for it.  It’s your right.

      • Anonymous

        But we will laugh at you for not being able to accept your defeat, ch.

        • Alec Cunningham

          Well, I won’t laugh.  We don’t accept defeat and I can’t blame them for the same thing.

  • Anonymous

    Maine… The way life should be!  <3

  • Anonymous

    I voted YES on Question 1. I have been posting and responding to posts on here since yesterday. Just now, in the notifications area of my FaceBook page there was a notification that I had a new message from God. Some days I click on these just to see. . .

    This was today’s message and it kind of floored me by its timeliness  (in my own mind, of course) so I thought I would share it with all of you. Feel free to read no further.

    On this day, God wants you to know that there are many ways to climb a mountain.
    There are many ways to worship God. There are many ways to live a life. Allow each person to choose their own path.

  • Next they will want a law requiring us to donate our sperm and eggs so they can have babies because neither party can do it without the opposite sex but yet somehow they feel they deserve to be married and have a family!

    • Anonymous

      Blah blah blah, you really are a sore loser, aren’t you?

      • no not at all! How can you have a family without the assistance of actual straight people? The best part is most of the lesbians I know can’t stand gay men and vice versa so they can’t even count on each other for that they need US!

        • Anonymous

          Based on your comments, I doubt that any gay or lesbian person would want to be acquaintances with someone as foul as you.

          • I actually have multiple friends and family who that I am friends with and the said part is they agree with me on most of my points! Typically the first thing a lesbian girl does is dress their partner up as a male give them male cologne and male enhancements under the clothes which to me seems like they just want their partner to be male.

          • Anonymous

            There’s really nothing else I can say to someone as stupid and delusional as you.

          • well its true if you actually take a minute to stop and look at what I am saying its true!

          • Anonymous

            I can’t because I do not live in your fantasy world.  I cannot see your deranged hallucinations.  Please, take your meds.  You clearly need them.

          • No meds here at all I don’t need them to live with my life choices…… I have an aunt who is lesbian who recently lost her soulmate I was there by her side right to the end. I have another friend who is married to a women whom they are not together but still hook up and refuse to get divorced but she likes to be lesbian from time to time and needs that freedom. Actually at one point she had a “ceremony” to her partner before she went back to men.

          • Anonymous

            I think that not only are you a crazy person, but you are a filthy liar.  Please, go back on your meds, you clearly need them.

          • I have a coworker who is lesbian and for the first 2 years she worked here she was hooking up with anything and everything she could all the while she had a live in gf. She was a very nice looking women at one time now every day it is clearer and clearer she is the dominate one in the relationship… She wraps her chest to do away with the indication she is a female she cuts her hair like men and has transposed herself into looking like a guy to the fact of even wearing mens cologne!

          • Anonymous

            You’re something else, aren’t you?  This would be funny if I didn’t feel so bad for you.  Please, get the help you so clearly need.

          • Alec Cunningham

            That’s fine for her, but do you really believe that all lesbians are like that?

          • yes

          • Anonymous

            And just why should we believe your?

          • look at your gay and lesbian friends and then tell me you don’t see how one of them has transformed themselves…… My coworker she brags about the size of the strapons she has for use on her partner…….

          • Alec Cunningham

            Answer me this-do you think that all lesbians are the same as your friend?  Some are, sure, but do you think every other gay woman is like her?

          • Alec Cunningham

            It’s true!!!  Well, it is true!  It’s true!!!  It’s true!!!  It’s TRUE!!!  It’s true.  It IS true!!! It’s TRUE!!!

          • Then you have gay men that are manly men and then you have gay men who think they need to act feminine and their partners like that!

          • Anonymous

            Once again, you literally have no idea what you are talking about.

          • I see it everyday take a minute and look at the members of the gay and lesbian community. In most of the relationships there is someone who is butch or extremely feminine. All I am saying is if you take the time to make yourself or your partner look like the opposite sex maybe in reality you want the opposite sex.

          • Anonymous

            Like I said, please take your medicine.  You are delusional and have no idea what you are talking about.

          • Tedlick Badkey

            It’s obvious you know no gay people.

          • Anonymous

            Just how much time a day do you fantasize about us, sweetie?

          • Alec Cunningham

            Which one are you?

          • Anonymous

             Joe, you’ve got that right about “rip off”:

            “Homophobia is apparently associated with homosexual arousal that the homophobic individual is either unaware of or denies.”

            http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8772014

          • Alec Cunningham

            Ha!  I think your lesbian friends are getting a really good laugh at your expense.

          • Anonymous

            Ho many times is some anti-gay going to claim “I have gay friends, and they DO NOT WANT equality, and they LIKE me trying to HURT them!”

        • Anonymous

          Actually, MANY of the 9 MILLION American children of same gender American parents are our own biological children–the rest are because we’re cleaning up the mess mixed-sex couples made.

          But isn’t it TYPICAL of an anti-gay to think he knows EVERYTHING about LGBT Americans?

          • They can’t be the biological children of both parties in your relationship but nice try carrotcakeman

          • Anonymous

            Doesn’t matter, none of your business, no excuse for TRYING TO HURT REAL CHILDREN.

            This attempt by anti-gays to hurt real American children is why voters all told anti-gays to [expletive deleted] yesterday.  Grow up and accept your crushing defeat.

          • Grow up and accept the fact you will never be accepted like most people. Grow up and accept the fact that you and your partner will never be able to be true parents and your child will be made from the genes of a straight person……

          • Alec Cunningham

            I’ve already accepted that *I* am made from the genes of a straight person.
            You sound as if you think that we want to marry and have gay children with each other so that we can perpetuate the gay species….  Is that, in fact, what you believe?

          • Alec Cunningham

            No one ever said they had to be or that they should be or that they are.  No one.
            So, what’s your point?

    • Alec Cunningham

      That doesn’t even make sense.

      And who are “they”?

    • Tedlick Badkey

      Wouldn’t want a child from your loins… it’d surely be defective.

      Marriage is not required for procreation… procreation is not required for marriage.

      Simple facts.

      • but the fact is you need someone of the opposite sex to make a baby so go lick on that

        • Tedlick Badkey

          Don’t want one hon… don’t need one hon…

          Are you really that narrow minded?

          • Thank god thats one less mind being warped by your behavior

          • Anonymous

            And unfortunately, trailer trash like you will have oodles and oodles of inbred children to warp.

          • No trailer trash here bud I own property in 3 different states. I pay my taxes make a decent honest living the smallest of my 3 properties is about 2500 square feet. I also bought each of my 3 children all from the same mom their first car and home. All three of them are very successful as well. I am happily married to my high school sweatheart and have been so for the past 25 years. So go back to the apartment in your parents basement underground where you belong!

          • Alec Cunningham

            OMG!  I wish I were straight so that I could have all that you have!!!

          • Anonymous

            “No trailer trash here bud I own property in 3 different states. ” – I don’t believe you.

            “I pay my taxes make a decent honest living the smallest of my 3 properties is about 2500 square feet. ” – Once again, you are bragging waaaaay too much for me to believe you. Besides, I didn’t know they made double wide trailers that big.

            “I also bought each of my 3 children all from the same mom their first car and home.” – See above.

            “I am happily married to my high school sweatheart and have been so for the past 25 years. ” – Poor woman, she must have settled for you.

            “So go back to the apartment in your parents basement underground where you belong!” – Well, you were FINALLY right about something.  I do live in an apartment, but, not in my parents basement.  I live with my wonderful boyfriend.

          • let me guess its subsidized and you get maine care also…

          • Anonymous

            Haha, nope.

        • Alec Cunningham

          But, and you may not know this, you don’t have to be MARRIED to that person of the opposite sex to either make the baby or to lick it.

        • Anonymous

          Sweetie, just because you are unable to find someone to love you, doesn’t mean that anyone else has that much trouble.

  • Anonymous

    Bishop Malone longs for the Good Old Days when Catholic doctrine had the force of law, and heretics could be burned alive for arguing against it.

  • Anonymous

    “The only one being dishonest here is you with yourself….. Let me guess your exactly the person I described previously……”

    Not at all.

    • ok keep telling yourself that :) I hope you have a great day……..

      • Anonymous

        Considering that same sex marriage is now legal in three more states, yeah, I will have a great day.

        • It will be repealed just like last time!

          • Anonymous

            Seems like you aren’t very good at math.  A majority voted for legalizing same sex marriage this time. A majority means that more people voted FOR it than voted AGAINST it.  I’m glad that I was able to teach you something.

            It also seems like you aren’t very good at history.  The last time, the legislature passed same sex marriage, but the people voted to repeal. This time, the people voted for same sex marriage.

            I don’t know how math and history work in your little fantasy world, but this is how the work in reality.

          • The repeal is already being worked on my friend! History will be made again on the same topic…. I hope everyone out there rushing to make their wedding plans for Jan 5th don’t sign a no refund clause……………..

          • Tedlick Badkey

            You’re very ignorant of Maine law… READ THE STORY ABOVE.

            This vote CANNOT be repealed by popular referendum… nor can you stop marriages from taking place.

            And if it were possible, it wouldn’t revoke those marriages in place (see CA for an example).

            You’re one ignorant person.

          • Anonymous

            Like Tedlick said, you can’t actually repeal this voter initiative.  So, no, a “repeal” is not already in the works.

          • Alec Cunningham

            If it would be repealed so easily, why did it pass Tuesday?

          • Anonymous

            Ask the anti-gays in California how that worked out, trying to take away an established right to legal marriage.

      • Alec Cunningham

        No, YOU keep telling yourself that!   :op

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