Comments for: Somali women challenged at polls in Auburn

Posted Nov. 06, 2012, at 6:19 p.m.

AUBURN | Two Somali immigrants were allowed to cast their ballots Tuesday after being challenged by a Republican poll watcher who later backed down. The American Civil Liberties Union of Maine said the poll watcher challenged the women at an Auburn polling place because they were registering to vote …

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  • Guest

    A funny feeling? … geez (@_@)

    • Anonymous

      Reminds me of Stephen Colbert when he says, “I don’t see race.”

  • Superuser23

    Republican poll watcher…..once I saw the word republican the story made more sense to me. Can’t wait for voter ID and voter fraud stories to come about from this one.

    • Anonymous

       The MAINE GOP sent out an email , widely publicized , asking for people to “man the polls”  for the specific purpose of CHALLENGING  voters . They even named them “challengers “. They couldn’t find any voter fraud ,but are sure it exists , so they keep looking /PS they did  find two. BOTH were registered Republicans!!!

  • Anonymous
    • Anonymous

      They’re probably just as amazed that  “all of a sudden” some people wanted to require a photo ID just prior to a very important election. As one judge said, What’s the hurry? Why not phase it in over a 3 year period of time to make sure everyone has had ample opportunity to comply and all the resources are in place to make it easy for people to do?

      • Anonymous

        How hard would it be to produce some type of evidence to prove the you are a U.S. citizen before casting a ballot? Why would anyone be against showing ID to vote, which is the most sacred thing that a U.S. citizen can do. Nobody seems to have a problem to show ID to purchase alcohol, a drivers license to drive, a passport to cross borders (legally), my God you have to show ID to buy Sudafed at WalMart. In my opinion, the only reason some people are against showing an ID to vote is because they know that there are people voting that do not have the right to. Plain and simple.

        • Anonymous

          Fortunately, your opinion isn’t the only one that counts. Plain and Simple.

        • Anonymous

           I showed my ID when I registered to vote, that should be enough.

          • Anonymous

            Do you now have a voter registration card in your hand when you show up to vote that would indicate that your citizenship has been verified. So based on your comment, I should only have to show my ID one time to purchase alcohol, or if I produce my driver’s license to one cop I should never have to show it again. Why is there so much fear in making it mandatory to prove citizenship when voting?

          • Anonymous

            what is the fear about not requiring ID?  Fraud has NEVER been factually established in Maine’s election.

            It’s much ado about nothing.

          • Anonymous

             I WAS given a voter registration card when I registered ( yup provided my birth certificate, proof of residence  etc  — I didn’t have a drivers license yet,  but had my mother in tow to prove it.).

             I have NEVER been asked to show it  for voting purposes , however . And don’t know that I could find   it NOW,t if I  had to. BUT at the time,  I always carried my voter registration card with me and IT was used as MY ID  for cashing checks etc.  YUP it was accepted as a Valid ID  BECAUSE of the proof  needed to get it.

          • Anonymous

            But, these women were not registered and were registering at the time of the election.

          • Anonymous

            and had to provide some proof of who they were and where they lived.PS lepaqe in essence needed an “intepreter” to take the SAT test and HE was BORN here.( or at least he SAYS so.)

          • Anonymous

            Le Page is the governor; therefore, he has proven his status and was elected legally. These women did not provide proof they were citizens of the United States.

          • The Maine drivers’ license requires proof of citizenship when we renew them now?

          • Anonymous

            The article did not mention that they had a driver’s license as proof of citizenship. Signing an affidavit is not necessarily proof of anything especially since they had their own interpreter who may or may have not translated correctly depending on his knowledge of what was going on with the affidavit. In truth, one must acknowledge that proof of citizenship for the right to vote is important in a republic. I have been told regarding licenses which are supposed to be so fool proof in design and proof to receive one, “If man made it, man can copy it illegally.” One of my credit card numbers was stolen and a card was reproduced and swiped at a terminal in California. The only thing they did not have was the correct security number. For a small restaurant purchase, it was swiped through the reader and approved. Later, the thieves who bought it decided to use it for the big purchase and that was their mistake. The purchase was large and far from Maine as well as out of character for my profile of purchases. When the clerk gave the security number from the back, it was not mine. That was a got-cha moment for the thieves. If all of us were good people who believed in the Constitution of the US, maybe we would not need to check on people, but you and I know that it not the case. 

          • Anonymous

            Do they?  What about legal aliens that aren’t citizens?  Does this mean they can’t drive?  I am not trying to be sarcastic…every state does it a little different and I haven’t had a driver’s license in the State of Maine since 9/11.  In Virginia, legal aliens are given the same driver’s license as citizens of the USA…but legal aliens aren’t allowed to vote.  Of course you can’t register and vote the same day here either.

          • Anonymous

             Do you KNOW that? Or are you assuming that? Yes proof of citizen ship IS a requirement to vote. I’m guessing they provided it OR  it was a provisional ballot UNTIL they could come back with the proof.  Generally people, who think  their citizen ship  MIGHT be questioned,  carry that proof with them.  Heck they brought an interpreter  with them, I would bet they brought  proof of citizen ship also.
            Maybe the guy “backed off”  because he saw that proof   of citizenship?  Hopefully there will be a follow up story to clear this up  and end the “rumors” . Maybe the sun journal “covered” it.

          • Anonymous

            The article states they signed an affidavit. An affidavit is not proof of citizenship and produced identification. Anyone can produce identification and some people will sign an affidavit—neither proves citizenship. Bringing an interpreter is not proof that they were citizens nor does it prove that they are not citizens.

            I will guess nothing regarding the incident, but I emphatically stated that registering to vote at the polls is a bad idea/practice which must be changed. When required to register in advance of the election, the issue of proof of citizenship becomes a moot point. The only question by poll watchers is whether or not signatures in the book match. The poll watcher did as he should have done—there was no way he could sign an affidavit that he had knowledge since he had a suspicion but no knowledge. Gervis was honest and should not have been put in that position. Clean up the laws—register early and there is no problem at the polls.

          • Guest

            Gervis created the problem based on his tacky assumption.

          • Anonymous

             gambler let me give you a history lesson .  Same day voter registration has been the law of the land in Maine for 20+ years .  In 2010  the  newly elected R  majority  eliminated it . The PEOPLE of Maine  collected over 100,000 signature to  reject it and place the issue on the ballot .  It’s called a a people’s veto ( as in power  goes to the people  when OUR leaders abuse their authority)  We went to the poll  in 2011 and overwhelmingly  REJECTED/Vetoed the Maine Legislature’s  elimination of  same day voter registration!!! 

            You can sure try to “change it’  again ,  if  you like; the Maine legislature tried and is NO longer an R majority.    Good luck with that. 

          • carl loeffler

            I wish the Obama “birthers” could follow the same logic.

          • Anonymous

            good for them!!!  what is the national voter turn out rate?  about 55%?  Congratulations to our newest citizens for getting off the dern couch and participating in the greatest political process on the planet!

          • Anonymous

            All US citizens have the right to vote or the choice not to exercise their legal right. You miss the point that voting is a right for all legal citizens. I am positive that if illegal voting could change the election of your favored candidate, you would not be as positive about anyone going to the polls as you seem to be now. Some day illegal voting may hurt the freedom we now enjoy; then it will be too late to fix the problem of illegal voting. 

          • Anonymous

            The “illegal voting” examples I’ve seen involve a voting machine that kept checking “Romney” when the voter was pressing the name “Obama,” voters being turned away from polling places that had shortened their hours, Republicans “registering” new voters but throwing away the Democrats’ forms, and so on.

          • Anonymous

            How about the service men & women that were disenfranchised, the offices that weren’t set up at overseas locations and the shenanigans that occurred in Philadelphia & Detroit yesterday?

          • Anonymous

             proof?

             You mean the ONE black panther ( who looked like a rent a cop)  and  former Navy seals  standing senrty at the polling places ,  politely opening the door for voters??  That too was “all over the news”.  Are you trying to spread rumors and start trouble??

             Don’t you guys ever WATCH the news–or do you just get your blown out of proportion info from  black backgrounded web sites.?

             Yeah FOX ran it I thought ” THAT is what peopel are complaining about? ”  In fact I saw a security vehicle  near him and figured he WAS a rent a cop ( see how peopel can jumpt to the wrong conclusion?) .   He looked like a typical security guard , politely opening the door for voters.

          • carl loeffler

            I see you’ve been watching the second funniest network station after Comedy Central…Fox News. It is suppose to be satire right? They can’t be that dumb.

          • Anonymous

            No, I’m actually doing something even better!  I’m serving in Armed Forces.  I have a front row seat to the all the wonderful disenfranchisement.  

          • carl loeffler

            You want a cookie? I served for 8 years active duty in the Army. Korea, Italy, Panama, Iraq, Kuwait, Georgia, and Texas. I too have seen the world and the “disenfranchisement” you supposedly speak of. To say that you are exaggerating is being kind.

          • Anonymous

            Thank you for your service.  Are you still serving?  I’ve seen it get progressively harder for the deployed troops to obtain their absentee voting documents.  I don’t consider my first hand experience an exaggeration and resent your implications.

          • Anonymous

             no one knowingly wants our service people disenfrachised or their ability to vote inter- ferred with  Yes it should be easy for you to vote  while serving over seas . If it isn’t , that should be changed .

             I can think of several “easy” way to do it . But as I think about it,  I can think of six million reason why someone would say that won’t work .so never mind .

          • What can we say?  States like Maine and Alabama are the smart states… where we use paper ballots with connected-line rather than bubble-coloring, and optical scanning.  If every state registered and used the process of voting the way Maine does… those problems go away.

          • Anonymous

            Liz, What are the specifics: place, time, etc. This must be checked NOW. No one group should have a strangle hold on deciding for us what the will of the people must be. Please respond and bring this to light.

          • Anonymous

              The 2 charlies had the chance to “prove it “;  they tried  —–BUT they failed. Yes the 2 women should be citizen’s to vote.  How do you know they weren’t ?  Don’t worry,  the 2 charlies will be all over it .

             PS I helped a woman become a citizen — she doesn’t speak fluent english  BUT she passed the test.   She could tell you the 13 colonies, the first Pres,  the recent pres , name our senators and congress people, governor,   and answer any of the other 200 + questions   some of which I learned ( or relearned)  as  she did.

          • Anonymous

            While living overseas, I’ve learned that most countries know more about US history than Americans do.  Your statement doesn’t surprise me.  It is a sad statement to our educational system though.

          • Anonymous

            I agree one should be a citizen to vote .

          • Anonymous

            Illegal voting hurts all citizens, not just “if it favored my candidate”.

            You mistake me for a partisan.  I’m not.

            What I am, is someone who tries not to make decisions based upon myth, but rather dig a little deeper and find some substantiated facts.

            The myth in play here, is the myth of the ‘illegal voter’.  There is not ONE SHRED of evidence of illegal voting here in Maine.

          • Anonymous

             and they probably had to show proof of citizenship.

          • Anonymous

            According to the article, they signed an affidavit. That in itself is not proof of anything. Those who flew into the twin towers, pentagon, and crashed in the PA field were here as students and no one ever checked up on them. Go figure—they just said they were students and signed forms stating they were students. Let’s just let anyone and everyone have a vote. One might think, Americans would learn after so many attempts to destroy this country and its freedoms. Mind you, Prettyfoolish, I am not comparing these women to the terrorist. I am giving an example of why a signature is no proof of anything.

          • Anonymous

             and it was probably a provisional ballot.  Maybe there ID was their citizenship card??

          • carl loeffler

            Because the LAW says they can.

          • Anonymous

            and registering to vote and voting are separate events

      • Anonymous

        It wasn’t “all of a sudden” unless you weren’t paying attention. There have been people calling for voter ID’s for a long time. Especially when it became known about 20 years ago about the large number of illegals in the US. Nothing new here.

        • carl loeffler

          ….and hardly any incidents involving shady voting among them.

    • Anonymous

      it’s not up to the US, it’s a State issue.  Florida requires ID.  Maine does not.

      • Anonymous

         Of course these were UN FOREIGN observers. The finer points of state vs federal jurisdiction probably wasn’t uppermost in their mind. 

    • carl loeffler

      I wonder if they’re just as amazed how we’ve been able to pull of a successful and stable democracy for nearly 250 years. I wonder if that’s why they chose to locate to our shores and avoid those other “messy” issues that prop up around the world?

  • Joe

    They produced IDs. I’m all right with that.  Everyone should produce IDs like these legal voting women did.

    • Anonymous

      Does Maine require proof of being a US citizen to get an id?  Legal immigrants that do not yet have the ability to vote are allowed to have a driver’s license.  Having an id doesn’t prove your a citizen.

      • Anonymous

         and when you register to vote you need to prove you are a citizen . So you think the person registering them didn’t ask for proof ?? I do

        • Anonymous

          You missed the point I was trying to make.  Asking for an id doesn’t necessarily prove that someone is a citizen.  I work with a man that is a legal alien.  He pays taxes, has a social security card and has a driver’s license in the state where I am stationed.  He is NOT allowed to vote yet because he isn’t a legal citizen (he has 1 more year before he can become one).  My point is that the only way a person can truly prove they are a US citizen is by showing a passport or a birth certificate. 

  • Anonymous

    If they’re citizens they can vote. I think you’re being a bit easy on yourself when you call it simply a “funny feeling.” 

    • Anonymous

       Well, yes, wolf, if they are citizens, they can vote; if they are not citizens they can NOT vote.  What is the huge problem with asking potential voters who are NOT obviously citizens for some proof of citizenship and thus eligibility to vote?  It seems that some people want non eligible people to vote,  assuming how they will vote;  some people (sometimes the same people cf previous clause) want to make it VERY hard for active duty military personnel to vote, assuming how they will vote (cf previous previous clause).

      • Anonymous

        It’s not if. They ARE citizens and they don’t need to be harassed because they make paranoid poll watchers feel funny. Citizens shouldn’t need lawyers coming to their rescue in order to cast their votes. That is problematic to me. 

        • Anonymous

           They ARE citizens?  How do we know that?  It isn’t stated in the story;  I don’t know the women;  I don’t think you know the women;  I don’t  think the election wardens know them;  I don’t think the poll watcher knows them.  I thought we had poll watchers to watch the polls, and make sure non-eligible persons could not vote ( and make sure no one voted more than once).  Are poll watchers there just to say “Hi…nice day…”

          Or should we just allow anyone who walks through the door to vote, without any checks or questions?

          Could I just drive around to as many polling places as I had the time and energy and gasoline to get to, and vote as many times as I wanted?

          • Anonymous

             I have now read the article four times.  I wanted to be sure.  They showed ID…easy to obtain.  They signed affidavits…easy to sign.  If they are recent legal immigrants to our country, and have obtained US citizenship (not so easy to obtain) they would have evidence on them, or could go back home to get it.

            I have known some people who came to this country legally, and obtained US citizenship (Lithuanians, Latvians, and one Cuban) and were PROUD to show the evidence of that.  

          • Anonymous

             Perhaps their ID was their citizenship card??

          • Anonymous

            That would depend upon which political affiliation you are claiming when you are doing it.

          • Anonymous

             Didn’t we just go thru this whole discussion?  Didn’t the R party  and the SOS make a big fuss over this and come up with NADA….. but mud all over their face ???

      • Anonymous

        ‘obvious’ citizens?  

        um, you mean….not white?

        • Anonymous

           No, Single, I don’t mean “um, not white”;  I mean, um, they needed an interpreter.  Very very few US citizens in Maine need an interpreter to register to vote.

          • Guest

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          • carl loeffler

            BUT…some do.

          • Anonymous

            This happened in Auburn, there are quite a few Somali citizens there and have been for years.

        • Anonymous

          Um no because they didn’t speak english.  

          • carl loeffler

            Where does it say that a person should be denied the right to vote because they don’t speak “Uhmerikan”?

          • Anonymous

            This was in response to SingleTrackGirl assuming that the man made the determination of citizenship based on their color.  I disagreed and responded that it was based on their not speaking English.   My response did not say that they should be denied the right to vote because they don’t speak english.

          • Anonymous

            That’s a riot.  You don’t have to speak English to be a citizen.

          • Anonymous

            Actually you need to follow the chain to see that I was pointing out that the poster figured they were non-citizens on the fact that they didn’t speak English…not because they were African American.

          • Anonymous

            After living in So. Florida, New Mexico, Virginia, and now back home ta’ Maine, I have to tell you, I’m just not worried about non-English speaking citizens.

            There are more non-English speaking citizens and bilinguals in Miami than there are speakers of English only.  By far.

            So, what are we gonna do…harass everyone who speaks a different language? 

            My mom was born in Denmark.  She didn’t speak great English until living here for many years.  

            Did some brain-surgeon wannabe harass her when she cast her first vote in her new country?  No, that didn’t happen because while her English was pretty broken, she immigrated from a white country.  She wore european clothing.

            See, it’s not about language, or even about immigration.  That dude in Auburn harassed those women cuz they’re black.

          • Anonymous

            I wasn’t there so I can’t tell you if it was race or language.  My family was fortunate enough to immigrate to Nova Scotia before coming to Maine.  They were able to learn English before they got here.  I know it can be difficult learning a different language because I’ve lived in various countries and while I tried hard to learn, I cannot admit to being fluent in any of the languages.

          • Anonymous

            that is a very thoughtful response.  thank you, mainegirl.

  • Anonymous

    Election day is so beautiful to me.  It’s the most American of all events.  Black, white, left, right, Native Americans and our newest citizens.  We all come together, from every town in every state, and cast our vote.

    Thank you to everyone who voted, special huge thanks to those who volunteered at the polls!

    and thank you to the two AMERICAN* women from Auburn who cast their vote despite being  harassed.   

    *if they were Somali, they couldn’t register to vote.  That would be like calling the McNally’s from upta Sherman, “two Irish women”.  

  • Anonymous

    Republican or Teabilly? Big difference.

    • That makes little to no sense …just sayin’

  • Anonymous

    Anyone else see a problem with having to bring an interpreter to vote?

    • Ah..yes

    • Anonymous

      Yes, I certainly do see a problem with it. To be a citizen one has to have at least a basic understanding of the English language.

      • OttolineMorrell

        No they don’t. If that were true half the French and Italian immigrants who came here wouldn’t have been able to vote.

      • carl loeffler

        I think it’s more important to have a basic understanding of our Constitution and Bill of Rights where it never mentions having to know English to be able to vote. If this was the case then you shouldn’t be able to vote along with most of these lowlife, ignorant so-called “poll-watchers”. This “poll-watcher” should be arrested and charged for impeding the voting process.

        • FELT

          You should know better than to post such misleading comments, when every guide to becoming a U.S. citizen states that:

          “You are willing to take an oath of allegiance to this country.
          You are fluent in English, and have a proficient knowledge of the language.
          You must have a testable knowledge of United States history and government.
          You must not have been involved in, or have been convicted of any crime.

          If they are legal citizens, then it is assumed they have passed these tests and would ‘know English’.

          • Anonymous

             You are quoting what “guide”  exactly??

      • Anonymous

        Really? i GUESS YOUR HAVE NO CLUE HOW THIS COUNTRY WAS FOUNDED?  Do native americans need to have an interpreter?

        • Anonymous

          I am sure that I have more knowledge of U.S. history than you do. I am sure that “native americans” do not need an interpreter as any I have met speak very fluid English as well as their own native language. Why would you even bring Native Americans into the equation, they are the original “American Citizens” and most in this area enjoy the classification as First Nation. Next post try to remember the caps key and the proper use of it, unless you were trying to yell at me.

      • Anonymous

        Where did you hear that? Rush Lameballs?

        • Anonymous

          Maybe try and do a little research on the subject versus spouting your liberal garble.

          From answerbag.com and using Legal Language as a guide.

          “Differences Between the Old and New Citizenship Tests
          Immigration services slowly phased out the previous citizenship test. The new immigration test began on October 1, 2008, but applicants who had filed for naturalization before that date were allowed to choose whether to take the old test or the new one.
          The format of the new test is the same. Applicants are required to demonstrate their proficiency in English by reading, writing and speaking sentences. Then applicants are asked civics questions.
          For the civics portion of the test, topics were expanded and the questions were revised. The old immigration test had many questions dealing with very basic historical facts. Many of these questions were rewritten, now requiring more than just a one-word answer to demonstrate more knowledge on the subject.”

          • Anonymous

            Gotta love it!  First of all, apparently those fine ladies could speak English, seeing they were allowed citizenship.  Second, the United States does NOT have an official language.  Third, if English was mandatory for citizenship, someone needs to tell all those Spanish speaking Puerto Ricans that they really arn’t citizens!  You see, the Repubs do have a long way to go!  By the way, by your standards, those Somali ladies can speap more than 1 language.  Not bad!

          • Anonymous

            Why did they need someone to interpret for them? The Puerto Rican citizens are not truly U.S. citizens until they come to reside in the United States, as they do not enjoy full protection of the U.S. Constitution until then, because Peurto Rico is a commonwealth of the United States. They gained their status of Peurto Rican / U.S. citizenship in 1900 by the United States Congress through the Foraker Act when the military form of government was replaced with it’s current form of civil government. I would not consider that someone that can utter a few words of English and their native Samoli or Arabic languages as being able to “speap” multiple languages.

        • Anonymous

          Yes, all conservative and Republican people listen to Rush Limbaugh…..sorry to spoil your perception, we don’t.

    • No, I do not see a problem with it, at all. 

    • Anonymous

      No, many ethnic groups have done this over our history. Considering there are little old French ladies in Lewiston who still don’t speak English I don’t find this odd at all. 
      It’s because they’re black and dress funny isn’t it?

      • Perhaps the thought is we know the little old Franco ladies were born in Franco-American Maine.

        • Anonymous

          such as lepage,  who  says he was born here, who  needed a “translator” to take the SAT test?  Speaking english isn’t a requirment to vote,  being a citizen is.

        • carl loeffler

          No. Many of them were born in a little place just north of the border where French is the official language in Quebec and they call themselves Canadians. No charge.

          • FELT

            Your ignorance of how immigrants were screened is dreadful!

            “During line inspection, those immigrants who appeared sick or were suffering from a contagious disease were marked with blue chalk and detained for further medical examination. The sick were taken to Ellis Island Hospital for observation and care, and once recovered, could proceed with their legal inspection.

            Those with incurable or disabling ailments, however, were excluded and returned to their port of departure at the expense of the steamship line on which they arrived.

            In an attempt to discourage steamship companies from transporting ill, disabled, or impoverished passengers, an immigration law of 1903 imposed a hundred dollar fine for every excluded passenger.

            Medical inspectors developed a letter code to indicate further examination, and roughly every two out of ten immigrants received mystifying chalk marks. This alphabet of ailments ranged from Pg for pregnant to K for hernia and Ft for feet.

            Those suspected of having feeble minds were chalked with an X, and along with those marked for physical ailments, about nine out of every hundred immigrants were detained for mental examination and further questioning.

            Usually this consisted of standard intelligence tests in which immigrants were asked to solve simple arithmetic problems, count backwards from twenty, or complete a puzzle.

            In an attempt to deal with immigrants’ cultural differences, Ellis Island’s doctors developed their own tests which allowed them to base their decision on problem solving, behavior, attitude, and the immigrant’s ability to acquire knowledge.

            Requiring immigrants to copy geometric shapes, for instance, was only useful for testing those who had some schooling and were used to holding a pencil. Favored were comparisons and mimicry tests which did not have to be explained by an interpreter, nor did an immigrant have to know how to read and write to solve them.

            After passing the line inspection immigrants were waved toward the main part of the Registry Room.” http://freepages.family.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~gregkrenzelok/Ellis%20Island.html

            And this was just to get into the U.S.; citizenship requirements stressed knowledge of English, U.S. history and government. Care to take the new test and see if you’d pass?

          • Anonymous

             where does it say speaking english or understanding it is a requirement ? You took a giant leap .

      • Anonymous

        It is like I said earlier..Repubs are done until they shed some of the bigots from their ranks!

    • Anonymous

      40 years ago, LePage would have needed one.

      Yessah

    • Anonymous

      No, not at all. I imagine when my Greek grandparents emigrated here, it took them a while to learn English and become integrated into American society. All of the folks with forebears from Germany, Italy, Turkey, Greece, Russia, Romania, Hungary, Ireland, Spain, France, Holland, Belgium, Denmark, Sweden, China, Japan, Egypt… in other words… wherever… might have had the exact same difficulties as my grandparents… Personally, I’m glad my grandparents stayed and got through the petty prejudices of unwelcoming (most likely) fellow-immigrants…

      The prejudices right-wing reactionaries, or just plain dolts, love to toss around so carelessly are thankfully minority opinions. Most of us welcome the diversity, intelligence, culture, talents newcomers bring to Maine and the US. The vision of America as the home of the white American is well past its expiration date.

      • carl loeffler

        There you go with all that silly history stuff, making sense and blowing shotgun shells through their argument. Way to ruin a good pity party.

      • Anonymous

        Thanks for your views….but I’ll continue to follow the wisdom about ‘Greeks bearing gifts….

      • Anonymous

         Why bring skin color into this? I made no mention of that.

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    • Nope I don’t see a problem with it. The USA has no official language. So why should it be wrong to have to have an interpreter to vote?  The USA is not a country made up of just European descendants. I know hard to believe in a mainly “white” state. The country is made up of every race and religion. Why should an American Citizen from Somali be treated any differently then an American Citizen from Canada, England, Ireland, the UK etc.?

      • Anonymous

        Untill the 1960’s a new citizen had to know how to read basic English to become a citizen.  What was wrong with that?

        • Anonymous

          Puerto Ricans have been U.S. citizens since 1917!

    • Anonymous

      You mean for the Repub poll watcher?

    • Anonymous

      Where did it say they brought an interpreter?  I looked for the story on the Sun Journal and couldn’t find it.  The BDN article doesn’t mention an interpreter. 

      I’d love to see the link if you have it.  thanks.

    • Anonymous

      It’s within every citizen’s right to have support to vote.  People with disabilities can have someone in the voting booth with them, and any citizen can ask a poll worker for help if needed.   There’s no proof the women couldn’t speak English;  however its entirely possible that they requested translation because of the more complex ballot questions so that they could cast their votes as informed as possible.  

  • Anonymous

    They signed an affidavit with an interpreter. Does anyone check each affidavit after the election to ensure they didn’t lie? If they are citizens, good for them. The right to vote is precious. Its value is only as good as the valid application of our election laws.

    • Anonymous

      Clerks and polling wardens are authorized by Maine State Law to supervise the polling places and address any issues such as this challenge. A system IS in place to ensure the integrity of the vote. It works under our current laws for all intents and purposes. Are there things that might make the system work even better? Probably. But instituting needless restrictions because of non-existent voter fraud is not one of them.

  • Anonymous

    Citizens should register to vote well before elections. When they register, a voter registration card should be issued and required to be presented at the polls. Registering to vote the day of an election is ridiculous. No one will ever convince me that it is too difficult to get registered before election day.

    • Anonymous

      Well, the state seems to disagree with you. We vetoed a law like the proposal you’re making.

      • Anonymous

        What is wrong with identification for voting? No one is entitled to vote unless they prove citizenship. Why should those who are not citizens be given the same right to choose who governs or choose which referendums win or lose? 

        • Anonymous

          Don’t ask me — we voted on it on banning same day registration and it was vetoed overwhelmingly. I don’t think it is a huge logical stretch that we’d come to the same conclusion for requiring ID.

          • Anonymous

            The queries were written as food for thought. I never expected you to answer. 

          • Anonymous

             And the answers were to INFORM you.  You aren’t from Maine  are you?  Other wise you would have known .  Making  You are  we native borns   call (another kind  of ) foreigner ( and trouble maker)

          • Anonymous

            Why is it that you must resort to a name-calling regarding law? And, why do you seem to know where I am from? Are you projecting the fact that you are a trouble maker onto me? Yes, you are prettyfoolish—your name suits your comments well. Remember first and foremost everyone born in the United States and everyone who has taken the oath and become a naturalized citizen is an American citizen. 

          • Anonymous

            well if you were a Mainer ( I say you are NOT) ,  you would/should  KNOW   MAINE  voters actively and with forethought  colleted over 100,000 signature and went to the poll  to reject  the voter supression laws that you  suggested and that  the MAINE  R party  passed in 2010.  It was a pretty BIG deal .I’ts called a people’s veto. Yeah so I  think you are an outsider ( aka foreogner)  trying to stir up trouble .

        • Anonymous

          that is a dead issue.  we voted.  your side lost.

          • Anonymous

            Voting is a right and never a dead issue in terms of limiting voting to legal citizens of the United States of America. Before the next election whether local, state, federal, something must be done to assure no controversy at the polls.

          • Anonymous

            Technically voting is a privilege since there are stipulations put on it…ie you can’t be a felon, you have to be a citizen etc.  If you meet the stipulations then you have the right to vote.  PS:  Please remember to thank a Veteran for the ability to vote.

          • Anonymous

            The right to vote is not available to felons. I do thank veterans every single day and will be sure to thank them again on Veteran’s Day in a meaningful way.

          • Anonymous

            “The right to vote is not available to felons.” not necessarily true . Many states allow felons to vote IF they have done their time – you know clean slate ,redemtion, and all that. 

          • Anonymous

             Give it up, you lost.. and so did EVERY STATE who tried to limit voters votings

            There is a lesson there to be learned IF  you care to learn it.  The R party  with their anti voter, anti women , antiworkers campaign ticked voters off and they showed up in droves ; Voters in turn have spoken and responded. They seen to have said: ” cut the baloney”.

             It appears the MAJORITY in Maine have reelected a D majority again. It was yours to loose  and you LOST it .

          • Anonymous

            The real lesson will be learned when people who are American citizens learn to value what they have and not be so adamant about giving it up. Give up the name calling—you are free to choose a political affiliation or to be independent. As I wrote in another reply to you—you need to stop projecting anger. My comments were in regards to the article; Americans must protect our voting process. Don’t assume you know any more about the women than is in the article and never assume you know more about me than indicated by my posts. You need to in your own words, “cut the boloney.” Unfortunately, you misspelled that processed food. lol

          • Anonymous

            Some pretty salient facts for you to consider. Voter Fraud, as in illegals voting or voter impersonation, is so rare in the entire country that you are more likely to be struck by lightning than have your vote canceled due to voter fraud. Even a Bush Admin study showed this. There is not a problem in this country with voter fraud. The “logic” you use that the vote needs to be protected by presenting ID’s imposes a limitation that would in fact create more problems with voting than are due to voter fraud. Your “solution” creates a bigger problem than it would solve. That’s one problem with your thinking on this.

            Anyone that is registering to vote must provide ID and proof of residency. That is one safeguard against someone trying to vote in a district that hasn’t a right to there. 

            In a town or city with a large immigrant population, it is not unreasonable, if you believe in “no taxation without representation,” to think that maybe a large immigrant population that might not be American citizens might be granted the ability to have a say in the policies that affect them. Especially if they are working, paying taxes, doing all the things Americans do… I understand you’ll probably not agree with this, but in a democracy such things are considered when questions of fairness arise about enacting public policy. You’re entitled to your opinion.

            I suspect these women were legally attempting to vote, and the election warden and clerks assisting in the voting process were perfectly able to judge whether they were or were not entitled to vote. The system worked, perfectly from what I can see… And if it ain’t broke, why fix it…?

          • carl loeffler

            Oh! You again…..with all your fancy facts and history.

          • Anonymous

             “the women were allowed to vote after producing identification and signing affidavits swearing they are citizens.”  I have faith  those who did the registration were properly trained and complied with the law.  I  agree it would be helpful to have more details  in the article.   DID the ID , for example,  include proof of citizenship,  like a citizenship card?  When I registered to vote I had to show  3 “proofs ”  including ” proof ”  I was a citizen and  BORN here ( birth certificate )  and proof I LIVE here.   I agree proof of citizenship should be required –imagine that !!!

          • carl loeffler

            You need to stop projecting ignorance.

          • carl loeffler

            There’s only controversy because you are lying and screaming that there is. 

          • Anonymous

            like, do what?

          • Anonymous

            yes, mainers voted multiple times against gay marraige, and yet you people kept shoving it down our throats and onto the ballot.
            it was a dead issue then, brought back time and again by hippie liberals.

            so, this might be a dead issue now, but we will bring it back, until it passes.

          • Guest

            How many times?

          • Anonymous

            You do realize it is not really up to the voters, right?

          • And that’s why the dead have been voting reliably since 1960! ;)

          • Anonymous

            Provide information, substantiated information to support that fact, and I will discuss it with you.

        • Anonymous

           You really need to give it up. You lost;  YOU are the minority. The majority of the  people voted on it and said NO!!!

          Apparently she WAS a citizen . I’m sure charlie  will be all over it if she isn’t .

          • Anonymous

            Would you stake everything you have on whether or not they were legal citizens? Actually, you seem to have such a poor grasp of law. Not once did I suggest that I was either for or against any part of the yesterday’s ballot. You must give up deciding what others did or think and go on facts presented. I have attended ceremonies for citizenship in federal courts and know that the new citizens did not need interpreters. How many ceremonies/swearings in  have you attended? Now if I were you, I would venture to answer for you by saying, “probably NONE.” 

          • Anonymous

             ” How many ceremonies/swearings in  have you attended?” Actually  a couple., so you would be wrong . The people of Maine  went to the polls ( not yesterday,  but  last year?)  and rejected attempts  to place  restriction  on voting.   It ‘s called a people’s veto.  In fact Maine led the way,   20+ years ago , on same day voting  etc . We  have a long history of feeling very strongly about protecting the PEOPLE’S right to vote. 
             
            Same day voter registration  IS the law.  I agree citizenship is ( and should be ) a requirement  to vote .  Where we disagree is : were these 2 women citizens and did they provide that proof ?  Neither of us KNOW  because we were not there  unless one of us is  gervis leger. I know I am not , although my great grand mother was a legere, became a US citizen , and never  spoke  fluent English. Don’t know if she ever voted.  Speaking  fluent english isn’t  a requirement of citizenship.

        • carl loeffler

          Because it isn’t a problem unlike the lies that teapot Repub’s would like you to believe. You already have to prove residence when you register, why should you have to show an ID to vote.

  • Anonymous

    I dont even think women can vote in Somalia.
      Or much else.
    Land of Milk and Honey , right here.

  • OttolineMorrell

    Having lived in Lewiston and knowing the number of French-Canadian Americans there who can’t speak English, this is an especially stupid stunt.  This was race-based, plain and simple. 

    • Anonymous

      Trust me, pull a French/Acadian/Canadian over for speeding and when they try that stunt, offer them a ride down to the station for and interpeter and see how fast they can speak english. I’m sure the somalians are the same way.

    • Anonymous

      …and if the poll watcher’s name was Herman Cain? 

  • Anonymous

    I was not asked for any kind of identification when I showed up to vote. When I offered my valid driver’s license it was waived off & I was handed a ballot. It appears to me that anyone with a legit name of previous voter & their address can cast a vote. Perhaps I am the only one who sees a potential problem with this process?

    • Anonymous

      Because you’re not required to show your ID to vote, that’s why you were waved off. 

    • Anonymous

      And if that was happening at any frequency there might be a problem. Trouble is, this doesn’t happen with a frequency that makes it a problem. Even the Bush Admin showed in a study that this doesn’t happen at any frequency to be a problem. In other words, the poll wardens and clerks that are required in our current laws WORK, the system works. Requiring an ID creates more problems with voting than this supposed “fraud” you worry about. More people are preventing from voting with the “fix” people like you believe will address a non-existent problem.

      “Perhaps I am the only one who sees a potential problem with this process?” No, you and a lot of other repubs. But funny, most of the voting shenanigans that took place this election cycle… voter registration cards thrown out, fake registration cards filled out and submitted… more of the reporting on this type of fraud involved repubs… Why is that…?

  • PaulNotBunyan

    I suppose some of you think that Puerto Ricans who don’t speak English aren’t U.S. citizens.

    • Anonymous

      Excellent point. 

    • Anonymous

      What about Guamanians?

  • jdtex

    I say let the Somalis vote, even illegally.  I mean, look what a great job they have done at making their country such a wonderful placein which to live.

  • jdtex

    You have had several recent comments that are ‘spot on’.  We are a nation of welfare recipients (nearly 50% of the population receives some form of free money) and there are few ways out of it. 

    Even countries like Venezuela, with a huge underclass, continue to vote in the same people who put them in the poor house, but deliver government freebies.  Maybe it will take a complete financial meltdown to change things.   

    • Anonymous

      “Free money”? You’re talking about Romney’s despised 47%, right? Those people who are so poor they don’t pay income tax (but do pay excise tax and sometimes property tax as well).

      Retired men and women living on Social Security. Disabled veterans. People who’ve had a traumatic brain injury. People with Down Syndrome and other genetic disorders, who might work but are unlikely to earn enough to pay taxes. 

      That’s not free money. The social safety net is like an insurance program that all Americans pay into, in case they or someone they care about becomes elderly, gets injured, has a disabling medical illness, and/or gives birth to (or has a grandchild) who is or becomes disabled.

      Try telling a homeless veteran that his or her military service doesn’t merit some aid when needed. Try taking away Social Security from your grandmother and see how much you like paying her bills yourself. Try taking away the programs that help my daughter, born with a chromosome deletion syndrome, and feel the Wrath of Grammy.

      Wait–you just did try that. We both voted, and I won.

      • Anonymous

        I only have one question.  Who will President Obama blame now?

        • He’ll now be blaming the guy who was in the office the past four years.  Oops, guess not.

        • Anonymous

           The SAME person  that over 50% of americans blame ,according to the latest poll—- BUSH and the R’s .  24/ 7/ 365/ 4 of trying to blame everyone else didn’t work . It’s why R’s lost BIG TIME. R’s shouldn’t be allowed any where NEAR leadership or the economy!!! The people have  voted and spoken. 

          • Anonymous

            Yes they have which is why the Republicans maintained control of the House.  The people spoke and said that BOTH parties need to get a grip and work together to FIX this mess.  Just one question though…the Democrats held control of both the House and the Senate from 2006-2010 (the Dems had a super majority from 2008-2010 plus had the presidency) and so how can Bush & the Republicans be blamed for everything?  Just saying…logic doesn’t quite work here.

          • Anonymous

            Ssshhhh!!  They don’t want to hear the truth.  Only their version of the truth.

          • Anonymous

            That goes for both ‘parties’ I believe.

          • Anonymous

            You’ll get no argument from me.

          • Your assertion has been disproven so many times by now it has become laughable when someone keeps bringing it up. There was in actuality only a handful of days (literally) in which there were enough Dems to stop a GOP filibuster.

            Filibuster- definintion: when whiney little men get all pissy because they can’t get their way and misbehave in such a manner as to prevent the grown ups from proceeding to do the nation’s business. You can look it up.

            Really, it would behoove you to educate yourself regarding the workings (or non workings) of our government before you spout off, and certainly before you vote. The error in logic darlin’ is yours.

          • FELT

            I feel you forgot Democrats wrote the book when it comes to filabusters. I suggest you read this before you pee on your feet again:

            Have Dems forgotten their filibuster days? | Megan Carpentier …www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/…/filibuster-democrat…Feb 18, 2010 – Megan Carpentier: Democrats are calling for an end to the filibuster, but it’s not so long ago that the obstructionist shoe was on the other foot

          • Anonymous

            The D’s had a super majority for approximately 5 to 6 months, please stop repeating the R’s lies.

          • Anonymous

             I don’t blame Bush for “everything”, just for  policies that helped crash the economy.In fact I blame BUSH, personally,  less,  then I blame R policies  It  all raveled a part under BUSH”S watch .

             Yup it’s been a heck of a mess to try to fix  Their policies  broke it , but good.  And it would have been easier to fix it  with some R cooperation .  BUT they decided on election day 4 years ago that  making Obama fail was more important then making America and  Americans succeed. R’s and McConnell can stick to that agenda , if they like,  BUT I and America,  hope they won’t .

            BUSH created 10 trillion+  of the debt, all on his own — well with help from the Rs ( remember Clinton left him a surplus) The R’s themselves  “created” a debt crisis by refusing to raise the same debt ceiling,  like  they raised  it 6 million times under BUSH.(and by approving “spending “bills.)   

            Remember Kennedy died and an R was elected to his seat?? BYE, BYE  “majority” .

          • Anonymous

            I would like to clarify that Clinton did not leave a surplus.  The USA has been in debt for almost it’s entire existence…well there was that one month back in January of 1835 (check it out http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2011/04/15/135423586/when-the-u-s-paid-off-the-entire-national-debt-and-why-it-didnt-last).  Now Bill Clinton not only balanced the budget but he paid off some of the existing US debt.  If you want to see who did what to the US debt try this website.  You can see exactly how much was added (or subtracted in the case of Mr. Clinton)  http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/histdebt/histdebt.htm 

          • Anonymous

            Notice that the people made sure that the House of Represenatives, who control the purse strings of this nation, was left in the capable hands of the Republicans.

          • Anonymous

            I disagree with your logic.  The reason the Republican’s lost was their failure to appeal to
            African Americans and Latinos.  They never made any effort to court
            their vote and thus they failed to win the presidential election.   

          • Anonymous

            African-Americans and Latinos are the fastest growing groups in the US.  Het used to it.  They live here and deserve all the rights you claim fpor yourself.  Repubs need to shake the Bigots out of their ranks or they will be the new minority.

          • Anonymous

            Only made a personal observation about the election.  Never said anyone was less of a person or that they deserve less rights now did I. 

          • Anonymous

            No you didn’t and I didn’t imply any different.  Just made a statement about the pollution in the Republican Party

          • Anonymous

            they didn’t do much to convince this white girl either.

          • FELT

            You’re in for a very rough ride for the next two years, because Republicans will blame you for everything that goes wrong….goes with winning, doncha know?

          • Anonymous

             it goes with whining and being a sore looser doncha know ?

        • Anonymous

          you mean republicans? I’ve been watching fox news and man it is hilarious some of the things republicans conjure up!

        • Anonymous

          I don’t know why Obama might blame, but if Republicans continue to thwart his every effort, I will continue to blame THEM.

          • Anonymous

            Liz, I think most rational people can agree that it takes both sides agreeing to give up something to achieve compromise.  Neither party can think they will win every time.   It shouldn’t be about party anyway…it should be about what is best for this country and her people!  In my humble opinion.  The way I see it is we can continue to blame and be part of the problem or we can try to compromise and come together to solve the problem.

          • Anonymous

            I agree–and look forward to the day when Washington DC Republicans start collaborating rather than obstructing.

          • Anonymous

            And the Washington DC Democrats too.  It works both ways and BOTH parties are to blame.

        • Anonymous

          I only have one question:  Do you think that Maine overwhelming approving bonds, voting D across the board and sending the black man back to the White House means that the Tea Party failed to convince the people that they had a legitimate point?

          • Anonymous

            Why does it matter what color the President  is?  Just curious…I tend to pick my politicians for their political philosophies rather than their color.   I personally don’t believe that the Tea Party was intended to have long term legitimate political pertinence…nor do I think the 99% camps were ever going to be long term legitimate either.  But then I’m truly unwanted by both major political parties so what do I know.  I did not vote for President Obama because I felt we needed a fiscal conservative to help fix the massive debt we are in and Paul Ryan had some good ideas.  That being said, I consider myself a social liberal.  I believe that people have the right to love as they choose, that women have a right to do with their own bodies what they choose, I believe we need to be good stewards of our natural resources…but I was very disappointed that the voters didn’t approve the education infrastructure bond.   Oh well can’t win them all.

          • Anonymous

            where in my comment do I say the words “Obama” or “black”?

          • Anonymous

            You said “sending a black man back to the white house”…

          • Anonymous

            Sorry, a few comments back, true.     I was being sarcastic, poking fun at people who seemed to be afraid.  The country is so torn right now, I think fear is a big motivator for that.

            Look, I’m not saying to disagree with the big O is to be a racist.  But there sure are a lot of white people who hate him.

          • Anonymous

            Why would that disappoint you? Have you seen our colleges? They don’t need money!

            Roads and bridges are a bigger priority as well as the bond for water facilities, etc. That is the infrastructure that needs our money. 

          • Anonymous

            No, I haven’t been back to my alma mater UMaine.  But I have seen the facilities at Maine Maritime and some of them are less than impressive for a school that has consistently been ranked as a top college. 

    • Anonymous

      I figure we should look like Greece in another 4 years.  Take a look at their headlines from yesterday.  Or maybe France with their tax rates…should be interesting.  

      • Greece is in better shape.  They don’t have to protect the free world.

        • Anonymous

          I wouldn’t bet on that.  They were protesting the latest round of cuts that were required by the European Union when they were bailed out.  Now keep in mind that these cuts were mandated in order for them to get another check from the EU…but the people are angry that they have to give up services/entitlements in order to keep the country from imploding on itself.   We won’t be able to protect ourselves much less the free world after sequestration guts the military.  But don’t worry, China has offered to help :)

        • We don’t have to either.

          • FELT

            I feel we are now where the Soviet Union was in the 60’s …as an exporter and enabler of violent revolution in the MidEast and Africa. Eventually the thousands of drone attacks will come back and bite us, then what will Democrats do? 

          • We’ve been mucking about in others business far longer than just the 21st century. It was going on before WW2, but moved into high gear at it’s outset. 

            While WW2 was an un-deniably fantastic victory for us, for the world and elevated us to superpower status, it gave us un-realistic expectations about our power to change the world for the better. It allowed our egos to override our sense.

            I have no doubt that there will be blowback from the drone attacks, though as far as tactics are concerned, it is a far wiser way of fighting terrorism than is full scale war – not only from a cost perspective, but ethically.

            I hope if another stateless terrorist attack happens, I do hope Democrats and Republicans alike will remember the lessons we’ve learned. Sadly I fear, many have already forgotten and are ready for the next “democracy spreading” adventure.

            If we are attacked by another state – (which is incredibly unlikely), we should defend ourselves and retaliate, no more, no less. No more nation building.

          • Anonymous

            the u.s. military creates more terrorists by killing innocent people in the countries we illegally invade and occupy.

          • Absolutely no disputing that.

          • Anonymous

            And the US Military makes up it’s own orders and we decide who and when we are going to randomly attack.  I get the point your trying to make but you can’t blame the military for following the orders of the Commander in Chief.

      • Anonymous

         Have you looked at France lately? I have a brother who lives there. He’s employed, married, with 3 children, and loves it. France is a really nice country…. You should go sometime.

        • Anonymous

          Yes, I visited France while living in Italy.   There are places in France that are very lovely.  I however, wouldn’t want to pay the kinds of taxes they are paying for what benefit they are receiving but to each their own. If I were to live outside of this country, I would return to Okinawa, Japan. I lived there for almost 3 years and loved the people and the island culture. I have had the benefit of traveling extensively while being on active duty.

          • superdog207

            Well, you should get packing………..

          • Anonymous

            Excuse me?  Why should I get packing?

          • superdog207

            Your comments seem to imply you are not happy living in this America….. Japan sounds like a good choice for you.

          • Anonymous

            except for the whole “radiation” thing that’s been an issue of recent…

          • Anonymous

            Really, I’m glad that your so perceptive to my feelings.  Why don’t you worry about your own feelings and leave me alone.

      • carl loeffler

        You  really should wait for the apple to be ripe before taking a bite.

        • FELT

          Apparently, you are a stranger to strategic planning?

    • Anonymous

      You can’t see why the Repubs can’t win an election?  This country is for everyone!  Not just the rich.  We all work together for the good of everyone.  It has only been for one or two generations that citizens could read and write.  You think they should have been denied their right to vote?  Who told you those two women were taking handouts? Maybe they could buy and sell you a couple times over.  Who cares?

      • Anonymous

        Gosh I wish I was rich!  I fall far below the $250K that the President was using during his first campaign.  I also wish that everyone working together was the way it really worked.  When you have calm, open sharing of ideas, can agree to disagree and move on but still maintain an open dialogue you find that you might just have more in common with the man or woman that didn’t vote the same way you did.  Society as a whole stereotypes people for what they look like, the car they drive, the house they live in, the job they do and they miss out on opportunities to meet some amazing people that have overcome huge odds to be successful here in the US.  Should these women be denied the vote…I’m not sure the article really gives us enough information to determine whether they should or shouldn’t based on are they or are they not a citizen.  They very well might be able to buy us and sell us a couple times over.  Having been to Somalia I have my doubts but they are an industrious people and the fact that they left a place of familiarity to come to a country that is very different speaks to the strength of character they possess…could any of us honestly just pick up and leave our families and all that is familiar?    Who cares?  We should all care…because if more of us cared about each other maybe this world would be a better place to live…or at least our little part of it would be.

        • Anonymous

          I like you!  Thanks

    • Anonymous

      There was a complete financial meltdown, remember October, 2008?  it didn’t change things because George Bush and friends were all like ‘OMG, too big to fail’.

      Free market system, my behind.  

  • and_then

    …and this is why President Obama is in for another 4 years.
    The women have the right to vote even if challenged.
    The poll is NOT the place to argue. The law prevents any conflict at the polls.
    If challenged, the ballots are marked with a private number and put in an envelope along with the challenger’s affidavit, and procedure follows the laws set by the state of Maine.
    NO confrontations at the polls as if they are a lower class of American citizen, especially just because someone “has a funny feeling”
     Read the law. If you are commenting here, you obviously have some skills on the computer. Go to http://www.mainelegislature.org/legis/statutes/21-A/title21-Asec673.html and READ IT.
    If you need more assistance understanding or comprehending, we can provide a remedial reading teacher for you, sort of like an interpretor…yanno?

  • Anonymous

    So many RACISTS, so little time….

    • Anonymous

      racist?  What do you call a Nigerian who dislikes Somolis?

      Come on get that sharp tongue in gear!

  • Anonymous

    They contribute next to nothing in Porkland but that’s another story……

  • Anonymous

    you bet do they pay taxes or take tax dollars

  • Anonymous

    I wonder who pays for the interpreter?

    • Anonymous

      Yessah

  • Anonymous

    Racist voter suppression by the GOP.

    We will remember…

    Yessah

  • Dope Boy

    “Leger said this was his first time as a poll watcher and just had a funny feeling about the women”
    _________

    Of course he did !  He’s been brainwashed and program by the Karl Roves of America.  (and a commie under every bed)

    Wake up Republicans and stop being so divisive.  You only voted against President Obama, and for the Republican party.  Could care less about America !  You wonder why Romney loss ?  Because he’s not one of the majority of us in this country.  And has no clue how most of us live.

    You people like to talk about welfare, and government handouts, who created it ?!
    You cannot even get a decent job in this country anymore.  Ever wonder why crime is a way of life, where does a person go if they didn’t have the wherewithal for college or could not afford it ? 

    I bought a home and raise a family on an 8th grade education, those days died some 30 years ago.

  • Mary Stubbs

    That’s how Obama got re elected….

    • carl loeffler

      Somebody needs a hug.

  • Anonymous

     It was reported and the machine was taken out of operation. It was all over the TV last night.

  • Anonymous

    The poll watcher, Gervis Leger of Auburn, backed off when he was told
    he’d have to sign an affidavit swearing he had direct knowledge that
    the women weren’t eligible to vote.

    Evidently, Gervis could not sign because he did not have direct knowledge and for him to do so would be wrong. I commend Gervis for not signing without knowledge. Unfortunately, we do not know if the women were or were not citizens because there is no documentation for citizenship that they were required to produce. That is the problem of allowing voters to register at the polls. You have no more knowledge than I do regarding this incident. However, this is a problem that should not exist and would not exist if citizens were required to register to vote before polls open for the election.
     

    • Anonymous

      “Unfortunately, we do not know if the women were or were not citizens
      because there is no documentation for citizenship that they were
      required to produce.”

      As I’m sure you know, there are election wardens and clerks that oversee the polling places and resolve conflicts or questions that arise with individuals attempting to vote.

      THE PROCESS APPEARS TO HAVE WORKED FLAWLESSLY.

      Assuring that the MOST eligible voters that can vote DO vote is the goal of same-day registration, and expanding voter rights… Limitations to voting, such as voter ID laws, restrictions on absentee ballots, create more problems, disenfranchise more eligible voters than they solve. These “solutions” make more problems than they supposedly fix… and why they are being rejected and challenged across the country…

      • Anonymous

        Well, then, with your logic—I knew how to drive a car before taking a test for a license. Perhaps licensing drivers is ridiculous and creates problems too. I knew my electrical work was done correctly by me and I fell that having someone come along to inspect it is redundant and ridiculous. Hey, I know more than the inspector. All the laws regarding land use should be shelved because it is my land and I know what I want done on it. Yes, all these restrictions create problems and disenfranchise people from buying and owning property. Having rejections regarding my building is really a problem to all of us in the country. Let’s get rid of all laws and be a lawless society—do what ever you want to do. Forget immigration quotas—let everyone come in and vote any way they want—why have elections at all.

        Now, maybe you can see how weak your arguments are. ID’s are given for a reason—voting is a good reason for early registration instead of registering at the poll.

        Perhaps, for the next super bowl, you and your ilk can just show up and demand a ticket. The hell with getting a reservation and standing in line like the idiots who plan. Dumb, idea, isn’t it.

        • Anonymous

          Wow. How you can turn the current laws that govern voting, that provide for clerks and wardens to supervise polling stations, that address how to verify residency and eligibility to vote, who address questions and conflicts that arise at polling stations… how you can turn all of that established law into “let’s get rid of all laws and be a lawless society…” is pretty astounding… Someone get up on the wrong side of the bed this morning, gambler…? Sorry, your side lost (well, not really…)

    • carl loeffler

      BUT, he had a “funny feeling” so it must be right? What a nub.

  • Anonymous

    In response to RoundPonda: And Obama served when? Oh that’s right…he didn’t. Is it really a pertinent argument? No but then neither was my comment about Obama.

  • Anonymous

    How about providing a signed document that prooves that they ARE eligible to vote. If this is how the ACLU operates, then they obviously would allow anyone to vote. Stupid. 

  • Anonymous

    Yeah, they looked funny.  Like, they weren’t white . . .

    • Anonymous

      You suppose that if they were able to speak our language, they would have been challenged? 

      Personally I think one should have to be able to use the voting booth without an interpreter in order to vote.  That goes for white Russians from Brighton Beach as well as Black Somolis from Lewiston/Auburn.

      • Anonymous

        I gave the lady at the table my name and address.  Nobody asked if I could read, write, or speak English.  But then, I’m an old white guy.

  • Anonymous

    http://www.columbiamissourian.com/a/155537/david-rosman-voter-registration-fraud-could-be-the-real-problem/

    As the link points out, most election fraud comes from fraud in registration, not from voting with fraudlent ID. And both parties have been guilty of it. If we really want to clean up our elections, although they’re not all that bad, we need to address the issues of registration.

  • Anonymous

    Could have been two guys under the robes. You dont know who is voting?

  • Anonymous

    So there’s some kind of test to take to become a citizen, right? Shouldn’t rudimentary English be some sort of requirement too?

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  • Anonymous

    There are women representatives in the newly formed Somali government and a woman was just appointed as a foreign minister in the new Somali government.  Don’t make assumptions.  

  • Anonymous

    There are women representatives in the newly formed Somali government and a woman was just appointed as a foreign minister in the new Somali government.  Don’t make assumptions.  

  • Anonymous

    Are you for real? Ugh.

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