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  • Anonymous

    Never never never mix business with politics. Especially in Maine where approximately 1/2 of your customers do not share your beliefs.

    • Anonymous

       Those who run their business in a professional manner always keep the two separate. 
      This year, however, especially w/Question 1, more businesses find it more important to risk losing customers in order to express their stand against SSM.
      I appreciate their doing so and have compiled a list of ones I will never patronize again.  Just as they are free to choose to be biased, so I am free to decide not to reward them with my business.
      When it comes to humans, one cannot force others to have compassion…and for them, the only way to reach them is via the wallet.  To them, I say, “Thank you for showing your true colors to me.” 

      • Anonymous

        I’ve been watching, too, mainegal17, and I intend to avoid the businesses stupid enough to announce they hate equality.  Anti-gays keep telling us that “everyone is anti-gay,” so they don’t seem to realize America has changed to a nation where a majority SUPPORT that equality anti-gays are trying to subvert.

        • Anonymous

          This is an example of the “smart ,well thought out and respectful” struggle in a nut shell.

          • Anonymous

            Are you trying to deny that a majority of Americans support marriage equality?  Do you need to see the documentation again?

          • Anonymous

            I could careless about how many people support marriage.  I don’t follow the crowd off the bridge just because a majority or even minority believe in it.  Don’t be so conceited I’m not about what anyone else (gay or not) wants or doesn’t, I’m about what I believe in. I don’t believe in marriage and I’m not voting for it for any reason, period and I’m not going to “going along with anyone because thats what they believe in”. Do I need to keep repeating myself, do you think I’m lying about what I think, feel or believe in, read my fingers I don’t believe in marriage, not voting for it.
            Marriage will not bring  you happiness and security, thats a fairy tale. If your not already secure and happy, only you can change that. Expecting someone else to do that for you is asking too much of anyone and you will suffocte them and they will go away.
            People will stay together or they won’t, no paper is going to make it work and anyone who marries for financial gain is too clinging and too dependant and not the sort of person anyone should align themselves with.  Thats no good and  odds are the marraige will fail.

          • Anonymous

            “I could careless about how many people support marriage.”

            Yes, we know, anti-gays want to FORCE their nasty “beliefs” onto all other Americans.  That’s why anti-gays have CHEATED in ALL of these anti-gay Hate Votes.  Remember, the Maine Ethics Commission caught anti-gays RED-HANDED in 2009, and at least one of the anti-gay Hate Cults has violated the SAME MAINE LAW this year.

          • Anonymous

            “Marriage will not bring  you happiness and security, thats a fairy tale.”

            Denigrating marriage is no excuse for trying to deny LGBT Americans EQUALITY.  Marriage DOES bring security, our spouses’ SOCIAL SECURITY, the same way it does for mixed-sex couples.

        • Anonymous

          Those businesses,no matter their stance,also pay taxes.The meddling churches who whip up the sheep,pay NOT A DIME.We need to tax the churches heavily and tax them NOW!
           

        • Anonymous

           There are some supportive businesses as well.My computer guy has been happily married for many years,raised two great kids,gives back to his community without drawing attention to himself and will soon be a grandfather.His family is voting Yes and I’m happy to spend my money there.

        • Anonymous

          Yes, smart business people don’t deliberately associate their business with a controversial political issue unless they want to alienate half of the state.

        • Anonymous

          How does expressing your privately held beliefs mean hating equality?  Why be bothered by anything your neighbor does if it doesn’t infringe on your own rights?  I don’t understand either side of the argument taking place here, but I do understand that all I am is what I do and say – and I think you’re all posing as “haters” because you think it’s cool.  Why do you want to be so miserable?

          • Anonymous

            Anti-gays WANT to INFRINGE on my right to legal marriage.

      • Anonymous

        thank you mainegal17 you just made me decide to vote NO on question 1, Because if the people can’t express their opinion without the supporters of SSM causing problems for the people that may not have thier opinion.

        • Anonymous

          Something tells me you were going to vote all along to HURT people you don’t know and who have never done you any harm.

          • Anonymous

            No but it the people of SSM are hurting anyone that doesn’t agree to vote yes on 1. 

          • Anonymous

            That’s nonsense, we aren’t hurting anti-gays when we won’t let them hurt LGBT Mainers.

    • Anonymous

      Why not criminalize  all marriage ?  That should shut both sides up and this tiresome, never-ending  fight just might go away.

      • Anonymous

        Why should most Americans be hurt just because of the bad behavior of the few remaining anti-gays?

    • Vote NO !!

      • Anonymous

        Do you get all tingly thinking how your NO vote will HURT people?

        • Anti gay…bla bla bla! anti heterosexual much?

          • Anonymous

            That’s just a foolish thing to say. No one is trying to stop heterosexuals from doing anything.

    • Anonymous

      According to Rene Ordway, “Those campaigning for gay marriage have much practice refining their message during the past decade. They have fought hard for this right.
      They have done so respectfully and patiently, and they have just about
      the most effective TV ads I’ve ever seen.”

      What a smooth coverup for the nasty campaign the pro-gay marriage group has engaged in. If you doubt this then you haven’t been paying much attention to the plethora of nasty comments from supporters in this posting venue!  Anyway, what planet does Ms. Ordway think most of us Mainers live in? The truth of the matter is that gay marriage is just another stepping stone to normalize homosexuality, at least that is what the national leadership of the campaign for gay marriage has stated repeatedly. Yes, some gays want marriage for themselves, thinking that somehow in a mysterious way their relationships will be further cemented. Contrary to expectations, if there is any lesson to be learned from countries where gay marriage has been sanctioned for several years by now, one cannot ignore the fact these civil unions are very unstable and unprofitable. So why should the State of Maine endorse same-sex relationships when it serves no useful purpose to society while imposing an added burden to the taxpayer? That alone is enough reason to vote NO at the ballot box on the question about Maine issuing marriage licenses to gay couples.

  • Anonymous

    In Maryland, an anti-gay minister said LGBT Americans are “deserving of death,” and the leader of the Maryland group to vote to hurt same gender couples smiled and nodded his head in agreement.  In Minnesota, an anti-gay minister compared those who support marriage equality to Hitler.  It’s simply inaccurate to suggest those who support marriage equality are as bad as the anti-gays.

    • Anonymous

      really now, guess you haven’t read some of the boards. It has been down right vindictive by some of the pro-marraige side.

      • Anonymous

        oh please Bruce, are you seriously suggesting that some of the ‘anti-hate’ crowd are actually the most hateful of the lot themselves?

        you simply can’t be serious!

        • Anonymous

          Anti-gays always tell that anti-gay lie.

      • Anonymous

        Please DOCUMENT that any pro-equality poster has threatened the LIVES of anti-gays.

        • Anonymous

           I’d be willing to bet that most of those supposed comments are nothing more than conservative salting used to raise money.Oldest Atwater trick in the book.

    •  How’s the weather, out there in Sacramento?

      • Anonymous

        I’m not in Sacramento.  Just how desperate are you to hide the facts I document, complete with website addresses, so everyone can see?

        But THANKS for weakening your own credibility by stalking me.

    • jimbobhol
      • maineiac123

         I’m not sure what this really has to do with the issue but I’ll respond.  This woman should not have been suspended and everyone I know, straight and non-straight agree she should not have been suspended.  It was political correctness gone wrong.    On the other hand this woman should not be in charge of diversity either.  I suspect that is more the problem here.  Had she been in charge of some other aspect of university life I doubt she would have been suspended.  Rather hard to be chief diverstiy officer isn’t it and be prejudiced against gays?

        • jimbobhol

          I was giving a example of the lack of tolerance  from the homosexual’s. She’s a black woman does that make her prejudiced against white’s? Some people can separate the professional life from their private life.

          • maineiac123

             No you were not giving an example of the lack of tolerance from homosexuals.  You were giving an example of something simply to try to scare people into thinking they’ll get fired if they don’t support SSM.  If you’ve read anything about this woman at all then you should know that   the LGBT community says she should not have been suspended.  But I’ll stick to my diversity point. Should someone who obviously is biased against gays be a diversty officer. 

          • Anonymous

            That wasn’t done by “the homosexuals,” that was done by the dean of that University.

    • maineiac123

       You realize too that Emrich was one of the evangelists that went to Africa to convince governments there to have the death penalty for gays.  I know he and the others that went there deny that was there intent but it seems strange that some of these governments passed or tried to pass these death penalty laws immediately after the meetings with these evangelicals.   I don’t believe in that much coincidence.  I just can’t imagine hating some group that much simply because they are different.  It’s so sad, sad for people like Emrich and doubly sad for the LGBT community that has to suffer the consequences of this hatred.

  • Anonymous

    I do not know where she is from, but from the name calling on the boards from the pro-marriage side, I wondering what she is reading. This isn’t surprising from a liberal democrat newspaper.

    • Anonymous

      Sounds like first amendment rights by both the columnist and tghe newspaper.  To be respected, right?

    • Anonymous

      Pro-marriage posters aren’t “name-calling” when we catch anti-gays telling LIES meant to demonize and dehumanize LGBT Americans.

    • Anonymous

      I believe she received her orders to promote SSM this week in her column.  Just wait and see, the entire week we will be bombarded by these columns.  

  • Anonymous

    Interesting to note that those who “preach” openness and tolerance  can in a heart beat become closed minded and intolerant.

    • Anonymous

      The pro homosexual marriage crowd are the new bullies on the block.  They have pretended to be tolerant, however they are not.  They are fooling the people of Maine and people are easily fooled.

      Have courage and vote No on 1

      • Anonymous

        In this case, it may not have been bullying by the owners, but Lord knows that there has been and still is bullying (and worse) by anti-gays.

      • Anonymous

        gay marriage was way back in roman time an that was 4,000 years ago an if a man an women did get married it was not for love either

        • Anonymous

           Marriage for love as a social concept is actually a relatively recent occurrence.Marriage has happened for land,alliances,religious cohesion(forget about marrying outside your church)family/village connections or many many other things.The list is endless.

        • Anonymous

          …and what condition is Rome in today? Greece is in the same sinking boat.

          • Anonymous

            That’s because of poor Management not because of gay marriage So yo blame the married gays for the trouble that the United States is in ?

      • Anonymous

        It doesn’t take courage to vote what is right and supported by millenia of human history…

        • Anonymous

           I agree – vote yes, because homosexuality is a God given trait, not a choice, as thousands of years of human history have clearly proven. 

        • maineiac123

           millenia of human history?  I really suggest you do some reading on the history of marriage.  Reading other than the bible that is. Get some real history. 

        • Anonymous

          Voting to HURT people you do not know and who have never done you any harm is NEVER “right.”

          • Anonymous

            What about the guy in Canada who wants to marry his dog?  Should they vote to “hurt” him too, by not allowing him to marry whomever he loves?  Freud and Jung had it mostly right – homosexuality is nothing more than a faulty sexual preference, with multiple potential causes.  The modern APA has changed its views and recommeded forms of treatment (none) because it is a liberal organization.  The argument that homosexuals are born that way is not incorrect – we all have our faults, and some of them are inherent from birth.  No different than a man attracted to a dog – he truly thinks he is “in love” – or someone attracted to a child.  Both could properly say they were born that way.
            Redefining marriage to allow homosexuals the same standing as traditional married couples is not in the interest of society or the culture as a whole.  Gay marriage has nothing to offer that traditional marriage cannot provide.  It is not an equal rights issue.  It is a selfishness issue.  The standard is not whether someone will be “hurt” when they don’t get what they want.  The standard is whether or not thousands of years of human history should be brushed aside to allow a very small minority to mock the traditions and culture of the majority. 

          • Anonymous

            Audacity of your comment aside, that’s entirely a different thing. People and dogs do not have the same ability to choose and consent, nor do adults and children. My marriage will not be brushed aside if gays can marry the people that they make them most happy. To keep a tradition and rights that you hold dear exclusive from others, who are hurting no one, is what is selfish.

      • Anonymous

        It doesn’t take courage to go into the secrecy of a voting booth and vote to HURT loving, committed same gender Mainer couples, that’s COWARDICE.  If LGBT Mainers are “the new bullies,” where is the Hate Vote to take away anti-gays’ right to legal marriage?

        • jimbobhol

          Would it make you feel better if I let you watch me vote no on one? 

        • Anonymous

          Another example of well thought out, respectful, mature campaign statement.

          • Anonymous

            And the LIES that anti-gays put on TV are “well thought out,” but that isn’t a good thing.

      • Anonymous

        Check out the other story in the BDN about the tolerant Yes on One supporters stealing a Lady Liberty paper mache statue.  They have come to my home and banged relentlessly on the door and rang the bell numerous times.  They harrass people to no end.  I cannot believe Ms. Ordway says they have been a class act and fought hard and smart.  Spoken like a true Bob Carlson supporter.

        • maineiac123

          As yet there is no evidence that statue was taken by pro-SSM supporters, only that it was taken.  It could very well have been taken by anti-SSM supporters merely to stir up trouble  I think we’ll have to wait and see and not be quite so judgmental.

          • Anonymous

            Yeah, right!!

        • Anonymous

           Well,let’s review-Carlson gets an award from the Boy Scouts who nationally hate gays.He and thousands of BSA pedos have been around for decades-just like the priests who never were punished and who the Catholic sheep kept funding.You might want to put up a sign.
          Looks like the gay haters are who we really need to keep our kids away from.

          • Anonymous

            Homosexual men are attracted to organizations like BSA and the Catholic priesthood because they are looking for acceptance.  The BSA and the Catholic Church didn’t know how to handle the few that molested boys.  The homosexual community is a powerful and bullying force in this country. If you go against them they will destroy you.  While most homosexuals do not abuse boys they sure will rally around anyone that dare questions their  behavior.  It’s much like the wife who defends her pervert, child molesting husband.  Two recent cases are Jerry Sandusky and Bob Carlton’s wives.

            While the SSM crowd has done a brilliant PR job on selling SSM we must not be afraid of pointing out that SSM is wrong and in the end they will destroy themselves.  They are not the “gay ” people they pretend to be, they have a high rate of suicide, partner abuse, drug and alcohol abuse , and self mutilation.

            We must love them and care about them because they are a hurt people looking for acceptance.  But, we must never, because we feel sorry for a person, accept aberrant behavior.  We all know having sex with a person of the same sex is wrong and we must all help our family and friends who suffer with this affliction.

            You can laugh at what I wrote and send me dozen of responses.  But, in the end I have to answer to only one and that is God.  You may reject my God, due to pride, but God is love and loves you more than your partner or yourself.

          • Anonymous

            The Southern Poverty Law Center debunks each and every of these anti-gay LIES.

          • Anonymous

            They would they are the thought police.  By the way look up sometime about people who use to work for them and how most of the money people donate to them is for big salaries.    They are no more interested in poverty than the Dems are.

          • Anonymous

             If you can find me ANY big organization that doesn’t pay giant salaries to a select few,let me know.It doesn’t matter if it a political group,a charity,a church(the worst) or anything else-a small number will always find a way to feather their nests VERY nicely

          • Anonymous

            My point was Southern Poverty Law Center is not a credible organization.  

            http://www.mrctv.org/videos/southern-poverty-law-center-real-hate-groupno-credibility

          • Anonymous

            Anti-gays are the only ones who don’t believe the SPLC.  Your anti-gay source proves my point.

        • Anonymous

          She stole a Hate Sign, not Lady Liberty.

          Anti-gays always lie.

          • Anonymous

            Can someone advocate for voting No on 1 without being a hater?

          • Anonymous

            No, the ONLY reason to vote NO is that voter wants to HURT other Mainers.

          • Anonymous

            I am voting Yes on 1…but I would disagree with you.

        • Guest

          Relentlessly? So, you’re so tolerant that you can’t tolerate someone knocking on your door or ringing your door bell?  Is it really that difficult to say “I’m not interested” or that you simply don’t want to discuss the matter?  Do you feel the same way when Jehovah’s Witnesses and Mormons do their rounds?  Easy solution.  Put up a sign that says ‘No Solicitation’, and it won’t be worth any person or group’s time to bother you at all.

      • Anonymous

         Until the Yes supporters throw a guy off a bridge in Bangor or kill a man like Matt Shepherd,then come back to me with your crying.There is NO group in America who has less to complain about and whines louder than Christian conservatives-the true bullies for twenty centuries and counting.

        • Anonymous

          Just repeating verbatim only the otherside of the coin.
          I did not throw anyone off a bridge and that is defamation to all hetrosexuals who didn’t throw anyone off a bridge in 4 feet of water.

          • Anonymous

             I’m glad you didn’t do that but did you demonstrate or work against the killers?I am a heterosexual who hasn’t thrown anyone off a bridge either.

          • Anonymous

            No, you are NOT “repeating verbatim” anything but standard anti-gay LIES.

      • Guest

        Good grief.  You’re statement couldn’t be farther from the truth.  There have been countless religious boycotts and campaigns against gay friendly businesses and companies.  JCPenny, Home Depot, Target, just to name a few.  Somehow same-sex marriage supporters are now “intolerant bullies” for using the same tactics?  You want to accuse ssm supporters of being bullies?  Read a few articles about gay people and teens that have been bullied and harassed to the point of suicide, and then I would love to see you generalize all gay people by saying, with a straight face, that we are intolerant.

        • Anonymous

          Didn’t  the SSM crowd recently launch a boycott of Chick fil la?  And just maybe gay people are a bit unstable to begin with and that is why they can’t handle any harassment at all.  Just recently while at the Orono Farmers Market an acquaintance started harassing me because they assumed I was against SSM.  They followed me around  yelling at me regarding my views.  I finally turned around, told them to get out of my way and get lost.  Gee wiz  I didn’t want to go home and commit suicide.

          • Anonymous

            The anti-gay owner of the chicken chain told everyone who supports marriage he doesn’t want our business, and Americans have complied with his wish.  No use whining about the chicken chain’s sales collapsing.  The anti-gay owner pretended to negotiate with Chicago officials and LGBT community groups–proof his business is WAY down.

    • Anonymous

      Not all SSM proponents are intolerant.  Some do lash out when faced with closed mindedness and intolerance.  Do you and commenters supporting you consider yourselves tolerant?  Really?

    • Anonymous

      Get real, there’s no point in anti-gays claiming their intended victims are “intolerant” of these attacks anti-gays make on LGBT Americans.  NO AMERICAN should “tolerate” some creepy anti-gays trying to take away their rights.

      • Anonymous

        To vote yes on 1 is a hate crime against hetros. Intolerance against procreation. The next arguement will be no one is allowed to be hetrosexual, the end of the human race could happen in one generation. 

        • maineiac123

           Obviously you’ve never taken a course in logic.  I wonder.  Have you taken any courses above 5th grade level?  That has to be one of the silliest, most absurd, arguments I’ve heard about SSM and believe me I’ve seen, read, and heard many many silly and absurd arguments.

        • Anonymous

          What total nonsense, voting YES on 1 won’t stop mixed-sex couples from marriage-divorce, marriage-divorce, marriage-divorce, marriage-divorce, marriage-divorce, marriage-divorce, et cetera.

          • Anonymous

             Hypocrisy,thy name is Newt.

        • Anonymous

          really?  won’t you reconsider?

          • Anonymous

            No Barbie, I can’t, I’ve been called a Bigot, no going back now cause then the name callers will look like they lied about me and that will open a whole new debate.

          • Anonymous

            Anti-gays always attack anyone that won’t help anti-gays HURT LGBT Americans.

    • Anonymous

      You do realize, I hope, how foolish it is to advocate tolerance of discriminatory behavior, don’t you?

  • Anonymous

    No, the debate has not “turned nasty.”

    It has been nasty for some time. 

    You are just now seeing the true face of the homosexual rights movement.

    Look what the group Act Up did at St. Patrick’s Cathedral.

    This is a radical movement, founded by a Communist, which started with three days of riots in Greenwich Village, and continues to operate through intimidation and deceit.

    You think it is about “love” and “commitment,”but when your back is turned the “gays” walk naked in gay shame parades carrying whips and chains.

    Last month, two hundred lesbians marched topless through NYC.

    Wake up, Maine.

    By November 7th, it is too late.

    • Anonymous

      You are so funny is that a time reaction joke laugh when i get time  ?

    • Anonymous

      This is not the “true face” of the movement.  Bear in mind that zealots are only a small minority of a minority population.  However, a plurality of yes on 1 voters are not gay.  Do you and other anti-SSM voters and proponents consider identify with the bullying exhibited by some of your fellow travelers?  If you preach guilt by association, does that not also apply to you?

    • Anonymous

      Anti-gays always seek to demean, demonize and dehumanize LGBT Americans.  Can you DOCUMENT this wild claim that LGBT Americans were “founded by a Communist”?

      It sure is funny that you made the mistake to tell us how much you get off watching gay parades, sweetie.  Remember, scientists have already proven why YOU CAN’T LOOK AWAY AND MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS:

      “Homophobia is apparently associated with homosexual arousal that the homophobic individual is either unaware of or denies.”

      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8772014

      • Anonymous

        Nonsense. Civil unions for gays makes more sense it 10% of the population they want the tail wagging the dog. Marriage is a Religous ceremony and the bible condemns homosexuality. I am all for equality but the state has no business telling religion who they should be marrying

        • Tyke

          You just made an argument for reversing laws allowing interracial marriage.
          .
          Have you read the proposed law? It completely 100% exempts all churches from ever having to perform a gay marriage unless they want to.
          .
          Churches cannot be forced to perform any ceremony they disagree with and no law can override that constitutional right. If this was not true then Catholic Churches could not refuse to marry non Catholics – which they do routinely.

        • maineiac123

           Marriage is NOT a religious ceremony and has not been for hundreds of years.  Even before the laws were established by civil government clarifying marriage, the vast majority of people were married without the benefit of a church or clergy.   If you are for equality then you will vote YES, if you vote no then you are not for equality as you state.  No one, not even the government, can tell a religious organization who should be marrying in their church, that’s called the freedom of religion.  It’s the 1st Amendment, look it up if you have to.:)

          • Anonymous

            Marriage began as a religious ceremony, and the State stepped in and began to regulate it, tax it, etc.  Marriage is no more the business of the State than sex – oh that’s right, the State tries to regulate that as well.
            The pro-gay marriage side loves to run to the State to “get their rights” for them.  Gay individuals have the same rights as straight folks – marry anyone you want of the opposite sex.  You can get your benefits and live with whomever else you choose.  Gay marriage and sham marriage sound a lot alike.  It’s not about love and commitment – it’s about “equality.”  Funny thing about equality – it fails to recognize that everyone is different – not equal.  The correct word is equivalent – not equal.

          • Guest

            Marriage actually began as a Pagan ceremony, and existed long before organized religion.  It evolved to become an important part of many religions, but it never began that way, according to history.   As law-abiding, tax-paying Americans, we have every right to demand and fight for fair and equal treatment under the law.  Your statement runs the line of suggesting we have a choice in our sexual orientation, if you really think we could simply marry someone of the opposite sex by just choosing to do so, and actually be happy.  Ever check out a local rest area at night?  Usually loaded w/ mini-vans, owned by closeted gay men, that have been made to feel so ashamed, of who they are, that they married a woman to hide their true sexual orientation.  That is not the kind of marriage I want or deserve.  There is no choice.  Could you wake up tomorrow and simply decide to be gay?  Who would actually choose to be the subject of degrading, anger laced, hatefully intolerant rants that you often see here?  Who would choose to be forced to fight tooth and nail for rights and benefits that are easily attained by heterosexual couples?  I am gay and I am proud of the man I have become.  A marriage between my partner and I, would be about love, commitment, and our family.  No sham here.

        • Anonymous

          Marriage can be both a church-based ceremony and recognition or a state-based ceremony and recognition. There is nothing in the bill that would require churches to perform such marriage ceremonies, or to recognize such marriages — insofar as the exercise of religion is concerned.

      • Anonymous

         Sounds more like the LGBT activists have demeaned themselves.

        • Anonymous

          Well, that’s the BIG FAT LIE anti-gays are trying to sell…

    • maineiac123

      What ACT UP did at St.Patricks was nothing more than a mild protest against the church’s opposition of safe-sex especially regarding the use of condoms to reduce the spread of the HIV virus.  The protest was condemned by the majority of the LGBT community as well as it’s straight supporters.  It really was no big deal.  Being topless in NYC by the way is a perfectly legal whether it’s a man or a woman.  It’s called equal rights, something you seek to deny those with whom you disagree.

      • Anonymous

        Civil unions for gays so they have their rights

        • Tyke

           Civil unions do not include all of the rights of marriage.

          • maineiac123

            Separate but equal is never equal, besides why should we straight married couples receive special rights?  SSM is not going to harm my marriage nor the marriage of anyone.  If anyone’s marriage is harmed after the passage of this law, it’s not the fault of SSM, it’s the fault of that particular marriage itself. 

          • Anonymous

            Civil unions include NONE of the 1,138 federal rights of marriage.

          • Tyke

            Well actually neither do state issued gay marriage licenses either … yet.

      • Anonymous

        And civility and morality are so much less important than equality . . . not.

  • Anonymous

    Well now, maybe though we maybe on opposite sides of this issue might have some greater insight into the plight of the young Gay school kids who are harassed/bullied/taunted, some to the point of suicide, and that free speech has it’s limits and exercising free speech can result in unintended consequences ?

    • Anonymous

      What about the teen that died because kids though he was gay which he was not 

  • Anonymous

    The only reason some people are voting yes is because they think it is the in thing to do.. It goes along with their vanity..  These people don’t believe in anything, right or wrong,  yes or no.  Most people vote in a certain way because of of what they hear.. There is nothing in there, it’s vacant they don’t want to know the pros and cons they just want to be told what the newest fad is and then they vote on it. Americans are a sad bunch.

    • So you are voting no, correct?

      Let me share a true story with you. My daughter has two gay Aunt’s who love each other very much. My daughter has known her two gay Aunt’s since birth and she loves them dearly. She has spent vast amounts of time with her two gay Aunt’s for almost 14 years now and her two gay Aunt’s have been together for over twenty years now but they cannot legally get married.

      Both of these women have their doctorates and contribute greatly to the state of Maine but people want to deny them one simple right. The right to get married and enjoy the same benefits that same sex couples enjoy.

      Two women in their 50’s who have been in love with each over for a very long time but people want to deny them the joy of being married legally and I find that very sad.

      I’m not voting yes because I think it is in thing to do. I’m voting yes on one because I have known these two women who love each other for a very long time. They are more committed to each other than most straight couples and it makes me sad to think others want to deny them the same rights I have because they think it is icky or their bible says it is wrong.

      Wake up folks. Yes on one is about love and commitment between to people that just happen to be the same sex. 

      • Anonymous

        Many of us have homosexuals in our immediate family.  It does not mean we have to redefine marriage. There are also many homosexuals who do not want to redefine marriage. What about bisexuals? They should have the freedom to have one SSM and one Heterosexual marriage.  What about a transvestite?  Beastiality?  Pedophilia (after all, if we are going to redefine marriage, maybe we need to redefine adult), it just keeps getting redefined, then maybe it is not even called marriage anymore.  That is great that your daughter’s aunt has been in a long relationship no one is telling her she cannot have a relationship or live with someone or what she can do in the privacy of her home, or what kind of sign she has on her lawn.

        • Anonymous

          Heterosexual marriage itself has been redefined.  It used to mean exchanging women for wealth.

          • Anonymous

            Still does in the middle east.

          • Anonymous

            Still does in Africa

        • Anonymous

          It’s really sad that you would attack your own LGBT family members right here in public.  You’re going to have a lot of very lonely holidays the rest of your life if they figure out who you are.

      • Anonymous

         That is a great story.I’m a heterosexual male who is proud to vote YES along with hundreds of thousands of my fellow Mainers.

      • Anonymous

        Civil union ! The bible condemns homosexual behavior. If if it is about rights have them execute wills and contracts so their love is documented but the Religous aspect is for man and woman.

        • Tyke

           Question 1 only involves civil marriage rights and does not change the definition of marriage within any church.
          .
           So by your logic it follows that you are in favor of a YES vote on this question about CIVIL MARRIAGE only?

        • Anonymous

          You’re lying about the Bible.  Modern Biblical scholars have proven the Bible was intentionally mistranslated relatively recently in order to provide “Biblical cover” for then-rising levels of homophobia.  For example, the word “homosexual” didn’t even exist until 1850.  Many major Christian and Jewish denominations condemn misusing the hate-based mistranslations to attack their fellow Americans and are marrying same gender American couples now.  About 400-years ago, a group of religious authorities (sanctioned by King James I of England), secretly manipulated the English version of the Bible to reflect their own heterosexual attitude; they opposed the king kissing other men in public. But in revised versions, religious authorities re-defined the Greek word “arsenokoites” of 1Corinthians 6:9!  The most accurate translation, abusers of themselves with mankind [KJV], was pretty vague.  Nevertheless, they replaced this vague 5-worded text with the not so vague and purposely targeted 1-word text, “homosexual(s).” Either way you cut it, this text does not describe homosexuals. This campaign gave those who were looking for a reason to justify their own homophobia a license to openly express their bigotry.
           

          • Keep.telling yourself that

          • Anonymous

            Don’t bother lying about the Bible any more.

          • Anonymous

             Read the Original Order Bible or the Lost Gospels.Very interesting.

    • Anonymous

      Painting with a pretty broad brush.  One could say the same about many of those voting no on 1 because they think it’s the thing to do (after all, Catholics just got another jab in that direction from their former Bishop.

      At any rate, I find it insulting that even some are voting yes because they don’t believe in anything and vote by fad.  Yes, some Americans are a sad bunch.  Don’t join that group by your comments.

    • Anonymous

      Anti-gays are a sad bunch.  They think they can stampede people who are voting FOR EQUALITY into voting the way anti-gays want, which is to HURT loving, committed Mainer couples.  It’s anti-gays who are trying to pretend it’s “moral” to hurt other people they don’t know and who have never done them any harm. 

      • Anonymous

        This article is about Yes on One proponents bullying a business which was simply expressing their freedom of speech.  Who is really being a “sad bunch”.  You also might want to check out the article about the “Yes on One” proponent who stole a paper mache statue from a couple in Turner. Talk about no moral compass.

        • Anonymous

          They didn’t “bully” the business, they boycotted it.  Anti-gays claim they are going to boycott businesses all the time.

          • Anonymous

             And some of their protests have failed rather spectacularly.Funny how the big bad liberal media didn’t cover those.

      •  I think your CAPS KEY is STUCK.

        • PabMainer

          LOL!!

        • Anonymous

          I think your insult is tiresome, and reflects the fact that you can’t dispute the facts I posted.

    • Anonymous

      Exactly.  Note that Renee’s son is probably not even old enough to vote.  Also, the teenage friend who came knocking on her door.  These people are extremely young and very naive.  THey have been indoctrinated by the failing government schools.  Just think when you were in your teens.  The people for yes on one who have been to my door numerous times are not even old enough to vote.  These kids are indoctrinated or have been trained into thinking redefining everything is cool.  Many were probably trained to think anything goes by the late phony “Rev.” Bob Carlson.

      • Anonymous

         HAHA.And yet anyone who’s indoctrinated to hate is fine by you if they’re the same age.If you’re hanging your hat on the young with this issue,you will lose and lose badly.Great job for her son for being involved to do the right thing.

        • Anonymous

          Wait I think gays should obtain their equal rights through civil unions and religion and the bible command marriage is between a man and woman. I don’t hate anyone. Well take that back Donald Trump.

          • Anonymous

             Like most people in ME(least religious state in the nation-yippee!!)I’m not buying into the Bible crap.That said,if you hate Donald(bankrupt)Trump,we’ll get along fine.Did you see the clip where Letterman calls him out on his Chinese made ties?The look on Trump’s face is priceless.

          • Anonymous

            What about all the major Christian and Jewish denominations that WANT to marry same gender American couples?

        • Anonymous

          your comment.. her son is doing the right thing, according to who? subjective subject to what is right and wrong like most social issues. It is apparent that you have been indoctrinated well since your comment suggest you are 100% certain. 

          • Anonymous

             She’s raising her kids the best she can not to mention how many of the Yes group it putting themselves at risk with many of the antis frothing at the mouth like rabid dogs.They realize that the world they want went away decades ago and it is NOT coming back.We are better off for it.

          • Anonymous

            I respect Renne and her opinions. I respect your opinion and it sure isn’t about raising kids the best you can.. Yet none of us can be absolutely certain anything we do is the right thing. You concluded that the people who are against SSM are wrong. and the voting yes is the right thing to do.. All anyone can offer here are opinions not absolutes.. I was always going to vote yes on this issue, yet in the past stories the comments from the vote yes crowd were full of hate and anger and that threw me.. I was a yes on SSM until then. They are religious bigots, they divided the parties. I’m a teaparty Democrat who was going to vote yes.. They are hateful and for that reason I have changed my mind..  I had lunch with a friend the other day and we talk about many things, he is gay. I have no need to say I had lunch with a gay friend.. I do not have trophy gay friends to make a point in public.. they are friends

          • Anonymous

            We can be absolutely certain anti-gays are doing the WRONG THING in trying to HURT others.

          • Tissue!?who said we are anti gay..just anti gay marriage.

          • Anonymous

            No use denying anti-gays are anti-gay.

          • Anonymous

            absolute certainty makes me very nervous

          • Anonymous

            Can you imagine a time when hurting others is the right thing?

    • Anonymous

      “Americans are a sad bunch”Feel free to move to Uganda.They should like you a lot better there.Enjoy only having water when you have to go get it miles away.

      • Anonymous

        Uganda is in a divided country because they have resources being stolen from them.. If they were to unite then it would be harder to steal from them. Blame it on the Britts

        • Anonymous

          Britain has a pretty bad record of human rights.Ask the Irish in the 1840s or the Palestinians after the Balfour Declaration,among others.

    • Anonymous

      Excuse me.  I have thought long and hard about this issue. Vanity has nothing to do with it – justice does. 

      • Anonymous

        Look around at the people you suround youself with, that will give you the answer to where your conclusion came from.. you have to be one of them part of the crowd.. Your  enviroment will justify your actions.

        • Anonymous

          An anti-gay tries to pull “guilt by association.”

          It’s always some dirty trick from the anti-gays…

  • Tolerance only goes one way in the PC world. Go Treworgy, Courage in the face of bigotry

    • Anonymous

      Really?  Just WHERE is the Hate Vote to deprive the Teworgys of their right to legal marriage?

      Face it, this constant anti-gay WHINING that anti-gays’ intended victims are “intolerant” is  just one more big fat anti-gay LIE.

      • Anonymous

         Sounds like you are the one whining.  Over and over on hundreds of posts on this subject.

        Whaa whaa, you no voters are MEAN.  

        • Anonymous

          NO voters are trying to hurt people they don’t know and who have never done them any harm.  That’s mean, all right. 

  • “They have fought hard for this right. ” I think this says it all about question one. 

    • Anonymous

      But unlike LGBT Mainers and our supporters, anti-gays have fought DIRTY by CHEATING.  The Maine Ethics Commission caught the anti-gay Hate Cult NOM violating Maine laws in 2009.  NOM violated the SAME LAW AGAIN this year.

      • Anonymous

         If we had a real Gov. or Leg.those names would be out by now.Yet everyone’s in a tizzy about the Kennebunk mess.Sunlight is the best disinfectant,indeed!

  • Anonymous

    Goph-o-loaf, you are the definition of intolerance….

  • Anonymous

    I think Renee’s take on the issue is right on the money. What many people are not aware of is that people do not choose their sexual orientation … .it is something they are born with …..  just like being born with large ears, a big nose or yellow skin. Why are people so fearful of others who are different from the majority? The fact of the matter is that we are all different from each other in some way or another. Which is a really good thing … it would be a pretty boring world if we were all the same. 
    Doesn’t every citizen who lives in this great  country love doing so partly because the USA represents freedom? Set these folks free!! Stop and think about it … how will it harm you?
    Love for our fellow human beings is the answer!

  • Anonymous

    What anti-gays don’t seem to be able to accept is the fact that only a minority of Americans are still anti-gay.  They watch Faux News and hear their anti-gay preachers tell them, “Why, everyone hates them, too!”  Didn’t anti-gays notice when they started all the trouble in 2009 that 48% of Mainer voters voted against them?  It’s truly a stupid thing to announce to your customers that even 48% of them are no longer welcome at your business.

    And we know that more than 48% of Mainers support marriage equality now.

    • Anonymous

      You do not know until the election results are in.  Anti-Gay is not about No on one. Just as you cannot label the Yes on One proponents as Anti Hetero.  You can vote no on one and not be anti gay.  You can vote no on one because you do not want the definition of marriage to change.  What about bisexuals?  Transvestites?  Beastiality?  Pedophiles?  If we want to truly be all inclusive of all sexual preferences we would have to open up marriage to all groups, even if that involves one gay marriage and one heterosexual marriage.  When taken to the people for a vote.  Gay marriage has been voted down in every state.  This bullying by the Yes on One supporters is not helping the effort.  Anyone can express their opinion and put a sign on their lawn, or on their car, or on themselves, this is the United States and we do have freedom of speech.

      • maineiac123

        “this is the United States and we do have freedom of speech.”  You’re absolutely right.  And all those people who are commenting on this sign are merely giving their own opinions.  Why do you have a problem with that?  The Treworgys have a right to put that sign up, no one says they don’t but they have to accept that others disagree with them and when you own a business you have to be prepared to suffer the consequences of your opinion.  That sign tell me that Treworgy is willing to accept money from the LGBT community but is not willing to treat them as equal but rather something less than equal.  Based on that I have a right to express MY opinion by not doing business with this business. 

      • Anonymous

        “You can vote no on one and not be anti gay.”

        How many times are anti-gays going to claim they are not anti-gay?  How many times are they going to WHINE that their intended victims are “the real bullies”?????

    • Anonymous

      And we all know how well it worked to write off 47% of the US at a $50K a plate dinner.
       

    • Anonymous

      The people that say they are agence gay marriage say one thing now but when you get in that voting booth  they change there mind lots of time .

      • Anonymous

        vice versa

        • Anonymous

          Anti-gays are the Queens Of Denial.

  • Anonymous

    When this story originally broke, regarding he Treworgy’s putting up then taking down their anti gay marriage sign, I could not sit silent.
    I found the Treworgy web site, and sent them an email.
    In that, I stated that I had never heard of Treworgy Farm, but now that I have located it, the next time the wife and I travel south to the Bangor area, I will make it a point to stop. I also stated my opinion that of all the people who posted all the negative, hateful messages, and stated that they had been loyal customers, but would be no longer, that the Treworgy Farm did not need their business ever again.
    This is much like the Chick fil-A situation, when that company now enjoys a huge following, and the Treworgy Farm will as well.
    God Bless you Treworgys, for standing by your convictions, and know that there are legions of Mainers with you.

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  • Anonymous

    I don’t care how smart and classy you think the Yes on 1 ads are. Homosexuality is still a sin in God’s eyes, and we should not be passing laws to encourage, endorse, and promote it, and we should  especially not condone marriage between homosexuals. 

    • maineiac123

      You think that you should be able to force your religion on everyone?  Really?  Perhaps then you should move to Iran or Saudi Arabia.

      • Same goes for homosexuality..move to Iran ..let me know how it works out for ya..oh ya..they kill gays

        • Anonymous

          You are kidding right  ?? if you are not kidding you are not very smart an should go back to school  .

          • Eexcuse me..educate yourself before trying to dumb someone else down

          • Anonymous

            when YOU make a DUMB statement like that then YOU  need to go back to school   .  Who were you trying ti impress you friends  ? Anyone with any brains knows you were making a DUMB statement .

          • Anonymous

            Same to you.

        • maineiac123

           I assume you’re somewhat lacking in education simply because you are somewhat lacking in logic and reasoning.  The reason I’d suggest you move to Iran or Saudi Arabia is because they are essentially theocracies.  This country is not, just in case you hadn’t noticed.  If you feel you want to live in a theocracy then move to a country that has one.  Your answer however is a but well…..I’m not exactly sure what it is.   Since I don’t want to live in a theocracy why should I move to Iran?  It simply makes no sense.  Oh, by the way, don’t assume that everyone that supports equality in this country is gay. 

          • Anonymous

            Wish you hadn’t put that first sentence in.  It doesn’t support your argument and paints you as intolerant and rude.

          • maineiac123

            Intolerant no.  Rude, yes at times. Did you read the post I was responding to?

        • Tedlick Badkey

          And christians.

          But they’re far, far more like you. You’d be right at home.

          You’re just like them.

        • Anonymous

          Do you get all tingly thinking about how Iran murders their LGBT citizens?

          • Bet your a hoot as a neighbor

          • Anonymous

            Anti-gays always make personal attacks when we correctly identify the pleasure anti-gays take at thinking LGBT Americans would be murdered.

        • Joseph

          Mr. Colby, you are the one suggesting limitation on rights, under religious law (which we should not have – our constitution says it so), that is why it was suggested that you should move to a location that would support this. America should not be a place where only one group is heard. Even though you believe your rights supersede others due to your faith, it is not true. 

    • Anonymous

      What other  acts is a sin in gods eyes  ?  You just can’t cherry pick when you talk about sin in gods eyes .

      • I am not..i am just stating a fact.sin is sin…we know.that.

        • Anonymous

          So why did you pick just on this one ?

        • maineiac123

           So are you willing to start stoning disrespectful children to death?   Or how about those that claim to be witches?  If you’re married do you permit your wife to speak in public?  In church?  Do you make sure you don’t plant your tomatoes in the same fields you plant spinich? 

          • That’s ignorant..

          • maineiac123

            Oh really? So you’re willing to follow the bible’s definition of sin but not the rest of the bible?  Isn’t that called pick and choose religion?

          • Not at all..old testamentt vs. new testament…

          • Do you follow the 10 commandments? They come from the old testament.

          • Tedlick Badkey

            Then you’re not following the buybull.

        • Anonymous

          You say you will vote to HURT other Mainers you do not know and who have never done YOU any harm.  YOU are the sinner, Keith.

        • Joseph

          Sin is not a fact Mr. Colby. It is a social device that has changed through time and space. Original sins are mostly discarded by the the very people who are now cherry picking what they want to uphold within their faith.  

      • Anonymous

        That would be your god, right?

    • Tedlick Badkey

      Your god is a choice… one you get special rights for. Nothing more.

      It is not our civil law.

    • Anonymous

      What other sins against your god would you like to legislate?  Adultery? Lying? Skipping a christian church service on Sunday?  Saying “g–” damn it?  Your sin is not my business, and other people should not have to live and love by your rules.  It’s called religious freedom rather than Shariah law.  It’s in our Constitution.

    • Anonymous

      Are you catholic?

    • Anonymous

      Why haven’t you answered my question?  Are you catholic?

  • Renee Ordway — as this comment page will show you, the “hateful” rhetoric isn’t confined to the Treworgy’s Facebook page. It’s been alive and unpleasant all over the BDN, PPH and other sites.

    Sorry to say it, but most of the “hateful rhetoric” hasn’t been coming from conservatives who are opposed to gay marriage. Like the Treworgys, anybody on the comment pages who dares to differ with complete acceptance of SSM is attacked, called names, and belittled.

    Like you, I do not believe such unpleasant tactics are doing the “Yes on One” folks any favors.

    • Anonymous

      “Sorry to say it, but most of the “hateful rhetoric” hasn’t been coming from conservatives who are opposed to gay marriage.”Um.  Yes it has.

      • Anonymous

        Anti-gays lie all the time, why wouldn’t they also lie about their own hate speech?

        • Oh stop.it! the only lie here is the one to yourself!!

          • Anonymous

            No one is forcing you to come here and read the facts I post, complete with website addresses so everyone else can see I’ve proven anti-gays lied again.

          • Joseph

            Mr. Colby you are fact-less in your pursuit to dominate others lives. 

    • Anonymous

      Yep, Nan.  There comes a point in time when enough is enough and we throw “political correctness” aside and challenge people’s political positions.  Any business that makes its political views known on such an issue is begging for a boycott.  They got it.  To tell a business in financial terms and strong language that you do not support their political position is not hateful or unpleasant tactics, but the realities of the political process and the economic marketplace.  
      All one needs to do is replace “gays” or “lesbians” with “no marriages between ‘blacks’ ” and the fallacy of the No on 1 campaign is revealed. Remember, states had statutes FORBIDDING intraracial marriages until Loving v. Virginia (1967!!–how old were you then, Nan?  I was in high school!!!)   Do you think it would be appropriate for Treworgy Farms to post such a sign?  Please don’t dodge the question.  And if you think it would be appropriate for a business to post such a sign, then please tell me what you think would be an inappropriate response to such bigotry?

  • Anonymous

    i really almost find it amusing that all the No on 1 crowd and this autho find it possible for those of us who have rights taken away from them are somehow being ‘intolerant”.  that is simply put moronic.
    A no on 1 takes away rights of thousands. A yes on 1 takes away no one’s rights. 
    See the difference. 

    • maineiac123

       I don’t think the author is saying the LGBT community is being intolerant.  I think she’s saying some people are.  They may or may not be part of that community.  She is right though that some of the things posted on facebook are wrong, morally wrong.  I have no problem with people who support SSM refusing to go to the orchard, I know I won’t but I do have problems with the name calling and vitriol were unnecessary. That’s all the author is saying

    • Anonymous

      Actually it doesn’t take rights away as much codifying those rights that were never there in the first place due to old white conservatives making the rules.As a heterosexual,I don’t “get”the gay thing but I am happy to vote YES on One and donate to MUM.Gays have done nothing but improve society.Conservatives are just keeping us back from human progress.

      • Human progress..i beg to differ!..liberal mindset and lack of spine due to pc has done nothing but bring down society!

        • Joseph

          Is that why red states have some of the worst stats in our nation?

          • Anonymous

             And same red states are the biggest bleeders of $$ from big bad DC.States like NY and CA (solid blue)pay in FAR more than they get back.

  • maineiac123

    You said it all.

  • How you lean politically should not affect what people think of you but it does and that is a recent development.  This was shameful.

    • Tyke

       A recent development?
      .
      You should read some early American history.

  • Anonymous

    ROMNEY / RYAN   2012  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Tyke

       Vulture/Voucher 2012
      .
      .
      If you support moving even more US jobs to China in order to give the super rich more profits  and throwing the elderly under the bus!

  • Rob Grant

         If you think the LGBT crowd is tolerant and acceptance minded, just try to disagree with them or have an opinion that diverges from their agenda. Be it in your home or business you will be branded a homophobe, racist, ignorant, intolerant, and cruel or hurtful. Even though you don’t fear their lifestyle, and have no problem working with or even living with a roommate who IS LGBT… I am not allowed to have my opinion unless it agrees with what the LGBT crowd wants.

          I do not have or follow a formal religion. however I do find this entire LGBT business to be an affront to the natural order of life. What you do in your bedroom should never be my business in any way shape or form. Simply stating “No I don’t believe that marriage should be anything other than a man and a woman” is not allowed. I am expected to clarify or even defend my position and then get told that I am wrong. Heterosexuality is right for me, it is the only way in the natural order of life that I will ever procreate and bring new life into being. Thus why marriage and family values where taught to me all my life. How is the LGBT crowd being tolerant by telling me I have to turn my soul away from my beliefs and deny my own convictions just to please them and help further their agenda???

          I am voting no on question 1. Not out of hate or fear, and certainly not because I want to see people suffer, but for the simple belief that I will not sacrifice my soul to oblivion just so the LGBT crowd can do whatever they please. This is not a troll post and no matter how much hate I get for it I will not be responding to any hate received. That being said, I won’t be responding to any positives either. Good day!!~!!

    • Well said! i will join you at the booth

      • Anonymous

        This sounds like interfering in an election.  Anti-gays cheated the last time, the Maine Ethics Commission told us.

        • Oh don’t be upset cause we didn’t invite you! but where not that way

          • Anonymous

            I could never sink so low as to poison our political process–something the Maine Ethics Commission PROVED anti-gays did in 2009.

          • Well..aren’t you tolerant of anti gay marriage folk huh!!

          • Anonymous

            Why should anyone tolerate VOTE FRAUD?

    • Tyke

       Racist? Who is calling you a racist for opposing marriage equality?
      .
       I suspect it is someone who does not support gay marriage and is trying to make the other side look bad.

    • Tedlick Badkey

      Voting to harm law-abiding citizens is not disagreeing.

    • Joseph

      “Be it in your home or business you will be branded a homophobe, racist, ignorant, intolerant, and cruel or hurtful. Even though you don’t fear their lifestyle, and have no problem working with or even living with a roommate who IS LGBT… I am not allowed to have my opinion unless it agrees with what the LGBT crowd wants”

      Generally, telling people they are lesser will have that effect. You are allowed to have any opinion you wish. Please read my earlier comment. It goes along nicely with, “I am not allowed … [an]… opinion.”

      “…I do not have or follow a formal religion. however I do find this entire LGBT business to be an affront to the natural order of life.”

      Yes! Because you disagree with something, than you should be able to challenge other people from doing it. I want to disagree with you, can I vote on you?

      “…I am expected to clarify or even defend my position and then get told that I am wrong.”

      Wait, what? You want to state your opinion but are upset you have to defend it? You should just be able to say anything you want and everyone needs buck up and deal? I am starting to see why you are ridiculed if this a course of behavior that is probably not limited to voting on gay marriage.

      “It is the only way in the natural order of life that I will ever procreate and bring new life into being. Thus why marriage and family values where taught to me all my life.”

      Because you, the individual, had a specific upbringing makes you an authority in others lives? I want to use your theory in all of my courses, ethics and committees. “I say say it, therefore, it is! I was raised this way, so you all are raised this way” – My words; what is freedom anyways?

      “How is the LGBT crowd being tolerant by telling me I have to turn my soul away from my beliefs and deny my own convictions just to please them and help further their agenda???”

      How they disagree with you. How science disagrees with you. Thousands of species love male on male love. Their species are still going strong. How you can vote on the validity of others families? You actually answered that, based on the way your were raised.

      “I am voting no on question 1. Not out of hate or fear, and certainly not because I want to see people suffer, but for the simple belief that I will not sacrifice my soul to oblivion just so the LGBT crowd can do whatever they please. This is not a troll post and no matter how much hate I get for it I will not be responding to any hate received. That being said, I won’t be responding to any positives either. Good day!!~!!”

      Wow. Okay. “Not out of hate or fear, and certainly not because I want to see people suffer… I will not sacrifice my soul to oblivion…” I thought said you were not religious and if you are not religious, than why would your soul be damned? Even if you are religious, it is not your right within our country that supersedes others. What they do with their marriage is of no concern to you, it does not change your day. I am sorry for you. You seem really angry and sad, despite saying your not, and your comments are as angry as those that denounce you. I wish you luck in finding peace, because your post is not about gay marriage, it is quite showing of other issues for you. I hope your need for control lessens over your life span. You state opinion, expect and welcome the replies. Good luck on your journey.

  • Anonymous

     One of the few reasonable and literate defenses of the No position I’ve seen.Our votes will cancel each other out though.

    • Anonymous

      Well, then my yes vote goes into the plus column.  So tired of the lies from the No campaign about religious freedom and the “right” to discriminate.  

      • Anonymous

         Good point.In MI the righties tried to get a religious exemption from bullying laws on free speech grounds.I believe it failed.Not surprising at all that they would try to pass that though.Thanks for your vote for all Mainers!

  • Anonymous

    I worked some extra hours this week so I can take my kids out to Treworgy Farm.

    • maineiac123

       I earned some extra money this week so I went to JC Penny while dunking my Oreo cookie into my cup of Starbucks coffee and tossed some change into a support the Girl Scouts donation jar.  Later I went to Home Depot after stopping at the grocery store to get some Wheaties.  

      • Your nastyness has FINALLY made my choice for me.

        Thank you.

        • maineiac123

          I think you had your mind well made up before my “nastiness”.  Do you know what my comment is about?  I doubt it but those companies I mentioned are all being boycotted by anti-SSM groups because they all came out in favor of equality and SSM, yet it’s only SSM supporters that seem to be called to task for boycotting a business that is opposed to SSM and equality.  

          • No I didn’t “have my mind made up.  Actually I have no dog in this hunt being an atheist and straight. BUT despite the newspaper and you feeling you are “in the know” or have the moral high ground, to me you just come across (even in your reply) as thinking you are so superior to the folks who are not manning the pink paper mache` barricadess with you.

            So go ahead and hit the censor button like you and your P.C. friends always do when someone has a conflicting opinion.

            I’ve been on the line with people who had something serious to fight for.  At Pine Ridge, Birmingham, and in Newark.  I know the difference between bullies and those oppressed.  I also know the difference between a fraternity lark and a serious conflict where people get lynched, shot and burned out of their homes because of who they are, how they appear and what they want changed. 

            No one in Maine has been burned out, lynched, or had a cross burned on their lawn because they are fighting for gay marriage.  That’s because it is not a serious issue, and the intensity of the fight leaves some of us scratching our heads.

            Yeah kid I read the newspaper.  I know where chick-fil-a, Starbucks, Disney, National Biscuit Company, and Anita Bryant stand on gay/straight issues.  For some reason this must matter to someone. 

          • Anonymous

            “No one in Maine has been burned out, lynched, or had a cross burned on their lawn because they are fighting for gay marriage.”

            I guess you missed the story of the camp that was burnt out, where the arsons wrote the anti-gay hate speech.

            You’ve posted anti-gay stuff here before.  Spare us your deceptions.

        • Anonymous

          Anti-gays claim that all the time.  You forget we’ve seen you make many other anti-gay comments, Tux.

  • Anonymous

      God made animals an quite a few of them are gay so then god made gay people

  • maineiac123

     Why anyone would like this pack of lies is beyond me.  The amount of distain and hatred that this Q&A has is simply remarkable.  Distain the intelligence of the Maine voter and hatred of the LGBT community.  I wouldn’t want to be in your shoes when you go meet your maker.  I suspect he’ll tell you that you took the wrong road. Should have gone down, not up and he’ll send you on your way.

    • Anonymous

      Sure,  I guess that is easier than challenging any of the facts listed. “pack of lies”? Point one out. , take your time.

    • Anonymous

      and I’m sure Not would not want to be in your shoes either….

  • Anonymous

    I for one am surprised that Renee would even give her opinion seeing as how she defended the sex offender Bob Carlson. She has some very diffrent views then most of the people in Maine do. I just see the treworgy  example of things to come we the straights will be discriminated against. this is the begining of the end for all of us people who have been married for 40 years or more.   The BDN should fire her .

    • Washington County

      There is no special rights for being straight.

    • Renee DID NOT defend Bob Carlson after his acts became known.  MANY MANY Mainers (including me) thought he was doing good works establishing Hope House, ministering to prisoners and such. 

      Now maybe you have E.S.P. and can tell what a person’s deepest darkest secrets are, but most of us do not.

    • Anonymous

      No, Renee has a different view than you and perhaps your closest friends and relatives. As you have your facts wrong about Robert Carlson, there’s a reasonable chance that your statement about how Maine people feel on the issues of gay marriage  may very well be incorrect as well. “You Straights”  will be just fine. The gay community will not be coming after you in the middle of the night-they only get folks who’ve been married 39 years or less. Relax. 

    • Anonymous

      You aren’t being discriminated against if voters won’t let you hurt same gender Mainer couples.

  • gays want a special right   marriage is  between a man and a woman  not the same sex

    • Tedlick Badkey

      No hon… christians already HAVE “special rights”.

      If it were to pass, anyone could marry someone of the same gender. It’s not specially applied to anyone.

  • Anonymous

    The upcoming referendum on gay marriage is a political question and every single American has the right to express their opinions on political issues. Treworgys was “attacked” by the true “activists”, both from within the LBGT community as well as some of their other supporters, for daring to express an opiinion that is not popular with that crowd. If any of us, expressing our opinions, can be dragged down with vile rhetoric, and threats of extortion (when you criticize someone’s position on an issue, and threaten to punish their business unless they change their minds, that’s “extortion” a methodology that does not belong in civil discourse)then America has lost some of what made it great.

    Many here make this issue to be all about “gay marriage” but that is not true. What it is really about are  our freedom to disagree and speak publicly about our ideas, that is a much larger issue than gay marriage ever will be!

    No society can last for long whose members cannot agree to disagree!
     

    • maineiac123

      Are you aware of the boycott of Kraft, JC Penny, Archie Comics, General Mills, Girl Scouts, Home Depot, Starbucks and Home Depot by anti-SSM groups?  
      Why should anyone who supports equality want to support a business that doesn’t support equality?  That essentially is what this is about you know.  Most businesses know not to come out in favor or against issues like this, or any polical issue or campaign simply because it does not make good business.  When a business does it simply as to accept there will be consequences.

      • Anonymous

        I’m sure countryboy tried to boycott all those companies, maineiac123, but now he’s hoping we forgot about them, since anti-gays have NEVER staged a successful boycott.  The most notorious anti-gay boycott of all was of Disney, which bought ABC for CASH during that failed boycott.

        However, the first boycott LGBT Americans set up resulted in Florida Orange Juice dumping their anti-gay spokesperson.

        • maineiac123

           Oh, I remember Anita Bryant very well.  That was a very very successful boycott too. 

    • Anonymous

      Comparing a legal boycott to a crime–extortion–is just another anti-gay LIE.

  • ChuckGG

    Utter hogwash.   This is another of those strawman arguments against SSM under the guise of “providing information to the public so they can have an ‘informed’ vote.”

    The religious crowd has finally realized there is no religious argument against same-sex CIVIL marriage.  I have seen several of these websites covering issues such as harm to children, teaching in school, and changing American morality.  One of the most heinous is the site about “SSM will not help Gays achieve their goals,” as if SSM is some kind of impediment to civil rights.  Again, utter hogwash.

    It is desperate people doing desperate acts.

    After SSM is enacted in Maine, I plan to send a letter to Brian Brown at NOM:

    Dear Brian,

    The People have spoken.

    Regards,

    ChuckGG

    • Anonymous

       LOL, so what your saying,Chuck, is that you would rather folks not see this and your lack of ability to dispute  it. Good to know.

      • ChuckGG

        Quite the contrary – I responded to this same posting when it appeared on a Kennebec Journal newspaper story.  I guess I could go back and cut-and-paste my long response here but I do have to run off to a wedding this morning (straight, actually).

        Look, take any of the points, look for the half-truths and references to the law.  It won’t take very long to discover this is a puff-piece for the anti-ssm crowd.

        I can go through each point but here are a couple:

        1.  A gay couple cannot obtain a divorce if they move to another state.  Well, first off, who cares?  That is the least of the concerns.  I am certain some arrangement could be had.

        2.  Domestic Partnerships (civil unions) are the same as marriage.  No, they are not.  Marriage is recognized by the state in which it was performed, all other states, the Federal government, and all other countries.  DP/CU’s are NOT recognized by all other states, the Feds, or all other governments.  Marriage of a gay couple is not, either, but I would say “yet.”  This is a work in progress.  We are approaching critical mass and SCOTUS will need to rule on this, just as it did in a 9-0 decision in 1967 in Loving v. Virginia on the inter-racial marriage issue.  Having the legal term “marriage” applied to a couple in law means the legal marriage must be blind to the genders of the parties involved.  Having some states make this distinction and others not, flies in the face of Article IV, Section 1, of the Constitution – Full Faith & Credit which is used to acknowledge that the legal document of marriage in one state is recognized in all other states.

        Okay, one more.  Look at this turkey:

        Q.  Why does gay marriage create a class action lawsuit?

        A. Gay marriage creates a class action lawsuit because changing state law does not change federal law and a federal law called the Defense of Marriage Act is preventing same sex couples from being able to allow non-citizens to collect welfare and free health care  Legalizing gay marriage violates the 14th Amendment which is what it means to be an American citizen.

        Non-citizens?  14th Amendment?  What it means to be an American Citizen?

        Look, this list of crap is so poorly contrived why do I need to go back to Law 101 to explain it?  What in the world does DOMA have to do with any of this?  Aside from DOMA being on the way out the door, how do “non-citizens… collecting welfare and free health care” have anything to do with SSM (vs. regular marriage)?  Go read the 14th.  Tell me how this has anything to do with SSM.

        The whole bucket of crud isn’t worth the effort to bother with.  It is insultingly stupid.

        • Anonymous

          lol, your funny.
          #1.  you  dismissed  without   addressing it. It  goes to the point that this  referendum question  will not  affect how other States or the Fed.  recognize  what happens in Maine.
          #2. same as 1, this  referendum question  will not  affect how other States or the Fed.  recognize  what happens in Maine.This is an effort to join in on a class action effort to force the Fed to change  the Law. It changes little to nothing within the Sate.It attempts to confuse with matters not before SCOTUS  and old  cases   long settled with no  direct link. Subterfuge in it’s entirety.
          The last one.
          The Class action  lawsuit already exists, it’s goals and intentions laid out in its claim. Again, more subterfuge.
          The short version is_ This whole  referendum is crap. aback door attempt to force change on the Federal level and  to coddle to the wants of a  small,  self centered,  externally validated   segment of our  society.

          • Guest

            BDN

          • ChuckGG

             Baloney.  Until DOMA came along, the Feds had little to do with marriage.  Whatever the states defined as marriage was sufficient for the Feds. 

            As I said, this is a work in progress and from a legal standpoint it closely mirrors the inter-racial marriage (IRM) cases in the 1960’s.  That is that some states allowed IRM and others did not.  This dichotomy does not set well with the Feds and in Loving v. Virginia, 1967, SCOTUS ruled against the naysayer state, Virginia, thus dragging along all the other naysayer states.  I predict this is very similar to what will happen with SSM – resolving the inter-state issue.

            DOMA has been challenged two or three times in different Federal circuit courts and is on its way out the door. 

            The Referendum is exactly what it is supposed to be – making the legal term “marriage” blind to the genders of the participants rather than a “separate but equal” approach with civil unions.  The goal here is to remove the governmental restriction against gay people and, yes, at the Federal level, too, with regard to Federal issues such as Social Security, Federal taxes, and the like.

            “Coddle to the wants of a  small,  self centered,  externally validated   segment of our  society”?  Yes, I have heard that a lot with regard to the other minorities in society throughout our history.  That is probably one of the most bigoted statements I have heard in a long time.

          • Anonymous

             God for you, took you a few min. to call me a bigot. This will happen more and more until any who  speak a view not approved by the ” Progressives”  will be prosecuted  and silenced.
            Congratulations for being a part of that.

          • ChuckGG

            You are welcome.  Here is the definition of a bigot:

            : a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance.

            You see, I really do not care what you do, who you marry, or who you may or may not pray to, as long as you allow others their freedoms.   You, on the other hand, wish to impose your religious beliefs on others in secular society laws that mandated to serve ALL the people. 

            So, I call them like I see them.

          • Anonymous

             You described yourself and your obstinate devotion to your opinion and intolerance to those of a different opinion perfectly.

            So by your own definition, you are  a …..

          • ChuckGG

             TrickleUpPoverty…

            You seemed to have missed the point that I do not care what you do, but voting against SSM is depriving a minority of their rights, when those rights will have no affect on you or society.  There is no legal “harm” in SSM and that is why the courts in Prop-8 ruled against Prop-8.  The Prop-8 people could prove no harm with SSM.

            You may do as you please, as far as I am concerned, providing you don’t scare the horses.  That is the long-held Maine tradition of “Live and Let Live,” a concept you seem to have forgotten.

          • Anonymous

            Thank you for YOUR definition of a bigot. Just be aware intolerance, as defined above,  is imposed upon Christians by discounting the Word of God as is done by much of the mass media. Also know sarcasm does not advance the cause of one who uses it to access.

          • Anonymous

             You   think yourself Superior and  informed, I  find you to be neither. I am not now  nor have I ever been  a religious person.I have  no “religious beliefs”. Your findings of me are based off false assumptions , you are wrong. I also find you to be  a pseudo intellectual  with a keyboard. Nothing more.
            “a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own
            opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the
            members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and
            intolerance.”   Sounds like this describes you  and your views on people of faith,no?

          • Anonymous

            Anti-gays always stoop to making personal attacks when we prove they lied.  Sorry, Not, the only thing you accomplished is to prove how nasty, hurtful and hateful anti-gays really are.

          • Anonymous

             Bigot is not good even a word for you.  There are many others that would suit you….like whale sh*t….very low on the face of the earth. 

          • Anonymous

             You noticed is said “wants” ? Words matter.

    • Anonymous

      The people of Maine have not yet spoken, yet again on this subject.  The people of Maine spoke loudly and clearly the last time this came up, and will likely do so again.

      • ChuckGG

         Times change.  People change.   Much has happened since 2009.  DADT has been repealed.  A large number of major companies support spousal benefits for gay married couples.  Old people have died off.  Young people with a 70%+ pro-SSM viewpoint are now entering the voting pool. DOMA has been challenged two or three times in Federal court and is on its way out.  Prop-8 has lost twice in the 9th Circuit.  Overall support for SSM has hit more than 50% nationwide.  When SCOTUS ruled on inter-racial marriage in 1967 there national view was against inter-racial marriage by some 70% or more, yet they ruled the right way.

        Many major celebrities have come out and introduced us to their families and kids.  Time have changed and continue to change.

        You cannot seriously believe that NOM and the anti-SSM people actually believe they can roll-back and make illegal SSM in 6 states and DC?  This November we have 3 states voting on SSM – all with significant positive margins, and 1 state likely to vote against imposing a state constitutional amendment against SSM.  When Prop-8 is finally settled and SSM is again the law of the land in CA, that will add 38M people to the population count of states supporting SSM.  Roughly, that’s 38M for CA, 19M for NY, and several million more for the other states.  Cumulatively, that is at least 60M people, or about 1/5th of the USA population.

        You may continue to beat the anti-SSM drum all you want, but that ship has sailed.  You might as well get used to it and move on to some other pet peeve.

        • Anonymous

          I was amazed and pleased that Iowa allowed SSM.Michelle Bachmann’s  head must’ve exploded.Nothing but air escaping a tire.

          • Anonymous

            Whaaaaat? Now how is that poor-excuse-for-a-human to survive without her husband’s shady, opportunistic  “pray away the gay” clinic? 

          • Anonymous

             Great point.I can’t wait until one or both of them goes to jail.

          • Anonymous

            YES!

          • Anonymous

            They both own the clinic, and are therefore responsible for the $137K they collected from Medicaid for “pray away the gay” quackery. 

      • Anonymous

        It barely passed the last time, and that was only with anti-gays CHEATING, as the Maine Ethics Commission proved.

      • Anonymous

         No  they did not they lost by only  6% of the vote so thats not loudly an clear

    • Anonymous

       For the record,Chuck, the people HAVE  spoken on this ,several times now.

      • ChuckGG

        Once.  In 2009.  Times change.  People change.  The wool was pulled over their eyes in 2009.  It won’t be in 2012.  Get used to it. 

        BTW, once civil rights are granted to a minority, the courts are very hesitant about repealing those rights.  See the Prop-8 case as an example.

      • Guest

        This election will decide in favor of SSM and all I can say to you is you will have to get used to it.

        • Anonymous

           The “religious” Christian loving people will find another way to express their “hate”.

          • Anonymous

            Maybe they will put all their efforts into getting botched back room abortions again.

      • Anonymous

        For the record, once, not several times.
        Maine did vote previously on another issue — to protect gay and straight people equally in areas of employment, public accommodations, and housing.

      • Anonymous

        Sorry, “the people” don’t get to “vote out” the United States Constitution. 

      • Gary Libby

         It doesn’t matter.  They shouldn’t be speaking on it at all.  This is an issue that shouldn’t be in the hands of the voters.

        •  can i like more than once?

      • Anonymous

         You know the old saying fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame on me

      • Anonymous

        they only lost by 6%  remember that’s all

    • Anonymous

       The problem is,once SSM passes there will be immediate well funded legal challenges I hope the Yes folks have enough money and time to fight off the dark money brought to you by the Mormons,Baptists and others who will hide.Lawyers are already salivating.I fear once it wins,those who support will think the battle is over.It is not and will not be until every person in every state lives in freedom.

      • Anonymous

        Actually, it looks like the churches are afraid to make those secret, illegal donations any more.

        • Anonymous

           They will find a way.Richard Land,Ralph Reed and the rest of those dirtballs know every trick in the book.I hope you’re right though.

          • Anonymous

            I agree with you, we’re talking about anti-gays–dishonest people.

      • ChuckGG

        I hear you, but I’m not sure.  The scuttlebutt is the Evans/Fundies realize they have lost this battle and are moving on.  The Catholic church, the bellwether of  project funding, has mostly pulled out of funding the anti-SSM efforts, indicating they, too, have thrown in the towel.  They have enough bad P.R. on their plates without coming down on the wrong side of history on this one.

        Do remember that SCOTUS does not like the idea of granting civil rights to a minority and then revoking those civil rights.  That was one of the arguments in Prop-8.

        Prop-8, by the way, if voted on today, would never be enacted, according to CA polls.

        NOM is another kettle of fish.  Brian and Maggie are well-paid and I’m sure there are some 401k’s being funded for retirement.  They can milk this controversy up to the final SCOTUS ruling, and beyond.  As I said, they like will morph NOM in the National Organization to Reform Marriage (NORM) and milk it for a few more years thereafter.  As some point, it will end up like the KKK and the John Birch Society – there, but who cares?

        • Anonymous

          You are correct that the Catholic bishops are apparently no longer making massive secret, illegal donations to these anti-gay Hate Votes.  I believe the reason why is that the United States Supreme Court has evidence the Catholic bishops in California not only made illegal contributions, they committed a felony, collusion, by agreeing in writing with the Mormon leaders to make those illegal contributions.  The federal judge who revoked the H8te Vote had in his possession a letter written by Catholic bishops to Mormon leaders in which they both agreed to violate California campaign finance laws to throw the H8te Vote by making secret, illegal cash and in-kind contributions to the H8te Vote. The letter serves as proof positive they knew they were breaking the law; the letter itself is an act of criminal collusion.  Here’s documentation for that letter:

          http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2010/01/documents-show-close-links-between-prop-8-campaign-and-mormon-catholic-churches.html#comments
           

          • ChuckGG

            Ah, yes, but they do all these acts in the Lord’s name, so wouldn’t that make it okay?

            Interesting why they are all not prosecuted under the RICO laws.

  • Anonymous

    So, you are in favor of changing the federal law to achieve equality;  just not the state law, as you believe equality has already been achieved here in Maine?

    • Anonymous

       I believe this is a States rights issue, and it has been  appropriately addressed.

  • Anonymous

    All this is why I’m voting NO on one.

    • Anonymous

      No, you’re voting NO because you want to subvert the United States Constitution’s guarantee of “Equal Protection Under the Law.”

  • maineiac123

     Point one out? Just one? Too easy.
    1: Q.  Can’t gays and lesbians have weddings already?

    A.  Yes.  Gays and lesbians can have weddings and have been able to register with the state to join together in legal matrimony with all the same rights and benefits as everyone else under Maine state law since 2004.

    Yes gays and lesbians can have wedding but they are meaningless.  The rest of the sentence is an out-right lie.

    2: Q.  How do gays and lesbians have weddings?

    A.  The same way heterosexual couples do.  They fill out the registration form and submit a $50 processing fee to the Maine Office of Vital Records and then plan their wedding.

    These are not marriages they are domestic partnerships which are not even close to marriage.  Not even close and other outright lie.

    I’m not going to bother with the rest of this garbage because that is all that it is. 
    Gay cannot legally get married in this state, they cannot get a marriage license as you state, domestic partnership is not the same thing as marriage, SSM will not in any way affect churchs, same-sex couples do NOT have the same rights and responsibilities as opposite-sex couples etc. Why one who claims to be a christian would post such lies is beyond me.  I guess it’s a lack of shame and sense of what is right.

    • Tedlick Badkey

      You are correct… to claim that domestic partnerships are the same as marriage is a lie.

      • maineiac123

         glad to see you changed that;)

        • Anonymous

          New Jersey’s State Supreme Court set up a commission to study how close domestic partnerships came to the rights of legal marriage, and said domestic partnerships were a complete failure, businesses routinely refused to honor them.

          • maineiac123

             That’s no surprise really.  Domestic partnerships and marriage are about as equal as all-black, all white schools in the south were equal.

  • Anonymous

    the sign equivocates to “Irish need not apply” by saying not only do we not value your relationship, but we judge you based on solely to whom you’re attracted. This is not a house in a neighborhood where suzy q and john d live. This is a business, open to the public (some without judgement) that is family focused. Since this ballot question has a lot to do with family, the better question is why did they put the sign up in the first place? If Hannaford had a similar sign in front of their store, should they be spared such resentment for displaying their beliefs so prominently? Question 1 is not simply a yes or no question for those affected. While most folks have only thought about gay marriage for a short period of time the people waiting for this issue to pass have been dealing with this for a lot longer. Emotions run deep with such a history as this. To simply say that something is just a sign and everyone should relax shows a misunderstanding of what the fight is for. Question 1 is truly about love and hate so ‘ll leave it to you decide which answer represents what.

    • Anonymous

      I’ll vote yes on question one and members of the Treworgy family will not. I will visit their farm next summer and fall. I’ll also spend money weekly at my local Hannaford. I have no idea what is in the hearts of the board members who control a very large corporate structure. I don’t think it’s fair to compare these two businesses.
              What I do like about the Treworgys is that they are not PR savvy folks. They are genuine and honest about who  they are-to their own detrement. I don’t agree with their position on same sex marriage, but I’ll bet we do have areas of agreement on other topics. They weren’t out to hurt anyone  they just don’t think the way a big corpoartion does and they got a very quick education for it.

    • Anonymous

       Hannaford supports the Problem Pregnancy centers that mislead and harm young women.They refuse to answer for this.

  • Anonymous

    Honestly I really don’t care one way or another about this issue ,what I do care about is trampling on anothers freedom of speech.When anybody voice is shouted down for any reason then their  first amendment  rights are being violated and as an American I will always come down on the side that is trying to be silenced .I hate bullies and those that are bullying others are hurting there own cause .  

    • Anonymous

      Anti-gays are the bullies.  They are the ones trying to deprive LGBT Americans of the same rights they take for granted.  NO ONE has tried to take away the marriages of anti-gays.

  • Anonymous

    When I go to Church I go on my own accord, Nobody is forced into believing in God.. The vote yes people are doing their darnest to force a belief into peoples heads. They have convienced some people and as time goes on they are getting mad about not being able to bully people into seeing things their way.. Forced to believe.. They are the thought police..

    • Anonymous

      How many times is an anti-gay poster who’s trying to force his anti-gay “beliefs” onto all other Mainers tell that LIE that it’s the pro-equality people who are doing that?

      • Anonymous

        using anti gay is getting old. voting no is not anti gay.

        • Anonymous

          Voting no is anti-gay.  No use trying to deny that the whole idea of a NO vote is to HURT people.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t agree with the Treworgy’s position on same sex marriage. However -that would never keep my family away from their business. We may in fact agree on many other issues-I don’t know and probably never will. I suspect all of us do business and even regularly socialize with folks that have vastly different opinions on issues that are very contentious.  Everyone should lighten up here. 

  • Anonymous

     Great point about language.Even the use of the word “gay”is not what it might’ve meant in the context of the Gay Nineties?When is the last time you heard gay used as a synonym for happy or joyous?

  • Anonymous

    The thing about Facebook, though, is that it isn’t necessarily one side or another that make nasty comments and we have no way to know if this wasn’t just a “no” trying to make a”yes”
    look bad.  Reverse is true as well.

    • Anonymous

      Thank you for pointing that out.  Anti-gays have been caught doing other dirty tricks.  The Maine Ethics Commission caught anti-gays cheating to throw the 2009 anti-gay Hate Vote.

  • Anonymous

    This comment is ridiculous in that it doesn’t matter who does more hateful things.  No one should be.  Love thy neighbor.

  • I just read Renee Ordway’s article in the BDN and I feel the need to comment about her statement “Of all the campaigning going on, the Yes on One campaign has been the smartest and classiest, and I’d like to think the most effective in the state.
    Despite the strong beliefs on both sides, the issue had not been reduced to name-calling and rhetoric.”
    I have to disagree. Just read the name calling going on in this blog. I have the right to my beliefs without the fear of being called a bigot, homophobic and other names that people want to call me.

     My belief is that marriage is a gift from God, for a man and a woman…When God created the man…he said it was not good for him to be alone and God created a woman for the man to be with .
    You don’t have to agree with me, because this is the USA and you have the right to believe what you want. We will all meet our maker someday and we will all answer to him for our deeds. I don’t hate gay people, I know many who are very good people, however, I believe that we are taking a gift from God and twisting it into something that he did not mean it to be. .

    For this, I have been called so many names, that I cannot begin to write them all down here. I don’t believe that standing up for my rights makes it ok for others who believe differently to think it is ok for them to degrade me and call me names. I don’t return the  “kindness”, and refuse to call names.  

    I don’t see anything wrong with a Civil Union, with ALL OF THE RIGHTS given to people who are married. Why must it be Marriage that is changed?  This is the beginning of another post. :-)
    Anyway, my main reason for this was to hopefully open the eyes of Renee Ordway…this issue has been reduced to name-calling and rhetoric….right from the beginning.

    • Anonymous

      I agree.  Civil unions are offered by the State only.  Marriage licenses offered by religious organizations ONLY.  That way any religious organization that doesn’t do marriages between same sex couples is protected.  Likewise, religious organizations that DO perform marriages between same sex couples are protected.  Would you agree to this?

      •  A civil union, with all of the same rights…all over the US (so this would have to be a Federal Law) would stop all of this nonsense. I mean, isn’t that what this is really all about? The rights that married couples have, gay couples want too. I say, give them all of the rights. Let them have a Civil union with all the rights married people have, and live happily ever after.

        • Anonymous

          I’m asking you to address the authority of religious authorities to give or withhold marriage rites for any couple the religious authorities deem to be within their purview to grant.  If you want to reserve marriage licenses for religious organizations, and civil unions for state sanctions unions (like justices of the peace) I’m with you, I say go.  But now you seem to be saying that YOU want to prevent religious authorities the autonomy to grant marriage licenses to certain couples.  What happened to the vaunted religious freedoms the NO on 1 people scream about??

          • Anonymous

            They don’t want real freedom of religion, they just want to hurt loving, committed same gender couples.

        • Anonymous

          It’s easy to claim that now, after so many states had anti-gay Hate Votes that say NO CIVIL UNIONS.

      • Anonymous

        LGBT Americans suggested that some 20 years ago, and anti-gays responded with anti-gay Hate Votes that said we may have NO legal recognition whatsoever.

    • Anonymous

      God made animals an they are gay so god did the same for a men an women

    • Anonymous

      Isn’t it too late to complain about being identified as anti-gay after you’ve told us you are anti-gay, Ms. Pinette?  You are not “standing up for [your] rights,” your rights are NOT at stake in this vote, you’re planning to vote to take away other Mainers’ rights.  Considering, once again, that you have chosen to tell us you are anti-gay, why should we take your word that your intended victims are the ones calling you names?

      Please address the issue of civil unions with your anti-gay friends.  MOST of the anti-gay Hate Votes passed in other US States say loving, committed same gender American couples may have NO civil unions, NO legal recognition of their relationships WHATSOEVER.  However, LGBT Americans said 20 years ago that if ALL Americans had the SAME civil unions with all the SAME legal rights, we’d be fine with that.  Several US States have had anti-gay Hate Votes to deprive LGBT Americans of civil unions as well.  Spare us that red herring, Ms. Pinette.  Try to be more honest about what makes you want to hurt other Mainers you have never met and who have never done you any harm.

    • Anonymous

       I am sorry you were called names.I don’t believe in god and never will.I’ve had the folks knock on my door and I send them on their way politely but firmly.I would imagine most of my neighbors do the same.Your marriage and mine will change not a whit.First one up still makes the coffee.

  • Anonymous

    Honestly like i said before i will vote so this will go through.  But in all honesty, i do not believe it will pass again.  I will not say it will not, i have made numerous, i might add over 3000 calls in almost two weeks and most of them that voted last year for this are saying no to it right now.  Not sure why, but we will see after election.  

    • Anonymous

      Sometimes it’s just because there’s an anti-gay in the room listening in, and in the voting booth, they will decline to vote to hurt LGBT Mainers.

  • Anonymous

    Look, two wrongs don’t make a right, but the REALITY is nothing will change for those who are against gay marriage. Gay marriage will not effect their marriage in any way. Gay marriage will not diminish the sanctity of their marriage. Gay marriage will NOT require any church to take ANY action (perform a gay marriage) that goes against its dogma. Discrimination, based on sexual orientation or gender identity,  is ALREADY AGAINST THE LAW in Maine so, once more, nothing will change with the passage of the gay marriage referendum. As for those who have sent hateful comments to the Tweworgy family-they are plainly wrong. It is nor more acceptable for them to do so than it would be for any member of the public to do the same thing to gay marriage supporters which, by the way, has been happening pretty regularly. Truthfully, though, the Tweworgy family has made it know how they feel about gay marriage, and gays in general, so they shouldn’t be surprised if people boycott them. The right-wing does this all the time; does the “Million Moms” boycott ring any bells. They boycott television programs, radio and TV stations, manufacturers, etc. any time that they believe those folks are supporting something that the right-wing doesn’t like. So I take it that they (conservatves) believe that it’s okay for them to complain, make noise, and boycott those with whom they disageree, but it’s not okay for those who disagree with them to boycott or otherwise complain.

    • Anonymous

      I agree with everything you’ve written except one point. The Treworgys should be surprised by the reaction(and they were) to their sign as I suspect they live in a fairly closed world where they don’t associate with folks who do not share their views or values. They don’t hang around the coffee maker or water cooler at work as they are self employed. They go to church with other folks who share their view of the world. I don’t side with their thinking on the marriage issue, but I totally respect their right to hold onto it. My family will continue to visit their farm. Should we all choose to shun those with views opposed to our own we’ll have much bigger issues than this one. 

      • Anonymous

        Great point, West.  Anti-gays do tend to isolate themselves from others, as we see when they tell us that LGBT Americans are somehow not human beings, that they all live somewhere else.  Most of all, I agree that we should patronize the Treworgys and let them see that loving, committed same gender Mainer couples are not at all like what they’ve been told.

    • Anonymous

      “do the same thing to gay marriage supporters which, by the way, has been happening pretty regularly.”

      And being attacked for being pro-equality is so common it doesn’t get the press this situation does.

      Thank you for your support.  You are protecting your own equality by standing up for the equality of others.

  • Joseph

    First Amendment does not protect any person from ridicule. It protects them for legal persecution. When people post their opinions in support, or against, any political or religious beliefs, they will find resentment, opinions, and rhetoric on the other side of the political fence. 

    Historically speaking, politics within any nation is bloody, mean, and without remorse. Regardless of the political issues. It should be understood that anyone that speaks publicly will be “open” to a counter argument, if they are willing to hear it or not. The response towards those who express any opinion publicly will usually be very crass. 

    I know that if I tell people, “I do not want your family as I have my family, but I like you.” I could further the statements relating it to worship, beliefs, personal dislike, and or discomfort. This would do little to justify my opinion to them. In essence, I am saying,  they must obey what I want for them regardless of what they want for themselves. That my opinion can change their rights has a strong negative taste within their mouth. 

    If I could change your family, legal status, and or insure that your spouse may not have legal grounds to your assets based on a message of faith, counter to your own faith, how would that make you feel. If I could vote on you and who and what you are, if I could vote on what you do. Would I not be met with anger? Would I not be met with resentment? What if I said I have tons of friends who are affected by my want of control over their experiences, I like them, I tell them they are good people, but they can’t do what they want, they have to listen to me and my vote. My vote is based in faith and that makes it right, because people never pervert faith, only those without faith are perverted?  

    How come people are mad? The answers are very clear.

  • NNo no no no and ah…..no!stop snivelling !

    • Joseph

      What? Please elaborate.  

  • Lets change the definition of “African American” to include all white people! After all…we are all people!

  • Anonymous

    the times they are a changin’

    • Tedlick Badkey

      For the better.

      • Anonymous

        Every generation, Americans work together to make America a better, more free and EQUAL country.  Change is good for America.

        • Anonymous

          Ya right.. free is not the word to use. americians are no longer free. The patriot act is all i have to say

          • Anonymous

            That came from the “Gay Obsessed Party.”  That’s the same party that wants to HURT gay and lesbian Americans.

  • Anonymous

    I strongly believe in same sex marriage but everyone is entitled to their opinion.  That is what
    makes this country great!!    I can’t imagine Romney/Ryan getting in but I’ll just have to deal with
     it IF it happens (I still can’t believe so many support him but…it is what it is).  I survived Bush for 8 years, for Pete’s sake.   If you don’t like someone’s ‘politics’ then don’t socialize w/them and don’t buy   their products or visit their establishment.  It’s that simple!   As hard as it is sometimes, we need to respect others opinions and points of view.  My family is super conservative and we still get along very well – some heated discussions around the dinner table but never any hard feelings.  Different strokes for different folks. 

       

    • Anonymous

      Obama hasn’t done anything about it in his 4 years yet he makes a political speech and people believe he supports it.

      • Tedlick Badkey

        Truth is, it doesn’t matter if he supports it.

        It will happen… regardless. 

      • Anonymous

        How could the President have done anything about it with the GOP in the Senate filibustering EVERYTHING?

  • Anonymous

    Those who claim that legally recognizing same sex marriage will not affect society are wrong.  It will definitely affect society and it will be decidedly negative, especially for children, who are still in their formative years and, thus, vulnerable to whatever misinformation adults teach them.

    The most egregious of which is the efforts by some states to include homosexuality in the educational curricula.  All of these states, such as New York, Massachusetts, and California, have either legally recognized gay marriage or tried to and, having done, so are teaching children as young as 1st grade that homosexual behavior is normal, when the facts indicate the exact opposite.  Maine will no doubt follow suit, if enough people are mislead into voting yes on Question 1.

    To understand its effect, consider research by Dr. Ritch C. Savin-Williams, a Professor of Clinical Psychology at Cornell University and author of the book, “The New Gay Teenager.”  In his writings, Dr. Savin-Williams states that homosexuality is on the “upswing” and attributes it to the media and to the educational system, like those in the states mentioned above and in Maine, as well, if its so unfortunate as to  be duped into voting in favor of Question 1.

    The reason has to do with the origin of homosexuality.  It’s a behavioral urge like every other behavioral urge.  As such, whether it came about by choice or not, it’s due to a complex mix of genetic, biologic, and cultural factors, according to at least two of several definitive sources on the subject:

    1.  The American Psychological Association; and
    2.  “Genetic and Environmental Effects on Same-sex Sexual Behavior:  A Population Study of Twins in Sweden,” by Långström, N., Rahman, Q., Carlström, E., Lichtenstein, P. (2008) in the Archives of Sexual Behavior Online Version (90), No. 27

    Thus, as Savin-Williams correctly points out and as these sources substantiate, homosexuality is partially due in varying degrees to social influences.  Legally recognizing gay marriage is just such an influence – not only because we hold marriage, itself, in high esteem but because of the dating that precedes it.  Consequently, with these types of influences, those whose genetic and biologic backgrounds makes them more vulnerable than others to becoming homosexual will be more likely to become so or engage in same-sex behavior. The educational system, as Savin-Williams points out, will only increase this likelihood.  

    This outcome would be very negative.  Homosexuals, in comparison to heterosexuals, are far more prone on a per person basis to contracting serious disease, such as HIV/AIDS, hepatitis, certain types of cancers, gastrointestinal illnesses, and STDs.  Further, their relationships remain non-monogamous, volatile, and more likely to end in divorce in jurisdictions that recognize gay marriage. Finally, homosexuals are far more prone to emotional and mental issues, even in countries like the Netherlands, which accepts homosexuality as the equal of heterosexuality.

    Based on this information, the appropriate response this November 6th is to vote NO on Question 1.  Doing otherwise, will only encourage a very unhealthy behavior.

    If the reader is interested, he/she can google “The Case for Government Recognition of Traditional Relationships,” which is an essay that summarizes over 30 peer-reviewed studies listed at the end of the essay.  These studies, in turn, do not originate from anti-gay or anti-gay marriage sources but rather from respected, mainstream, and apolitical institutions, such as the Centers for Disease Control, University of California Los Angeles, the University of London, and the Gay and Lesbian Medical Association.

    • Tedlick Badkey

      I can also read about racial relations from the KKK. Don’t think I’ll do so.

      Your mentality mirrors theirs.

    • Anonymous

      Yawn.

    • Anonymous

      “are teaching children as young as 1st grade”

      Document that, and don’t tell US to do YOUR reference work.

      And here’s what the APA REALLY says:

      http://www.apa.org/topics/sorientation.html

    • Anonymous

      baikonur posts these same lies all over the United States.  The Southern Poverty Law Center debunks them all:

      “Ever since born-again singer and orange juice pitchwoman Anita Bryant helped kick off the contemporary anti-gay movement
      more than 30 years ago, hard-line elements of the religious right have
      been searching for ways to demonize gay people — or, at a minimum, to
      find arguments that will prevent their normalization in society. For the
      former Florida beauty queen and her Save Our Children group, it was the
      alleged plans of gay men and lesbians to “recruit” in schools that
      provided the fodder for their crusade.

      But in addition to hawking that myth, the legions of anti-gay activists
      who followed have added a panoply of others, ranging from the extremely
      doubtful claim that sexual orientation is a choice, to unalloyed lies
      like the claims that gay men molest children far more than heterosexuals
      or that hate crime laws will lead to the legalization of bestiality and
      necrophilia. These fairy tales are important to the anti-gay right
      because they form the basis of its claim that homosexuality is a social
      evil that must be suppressed — an opinion rejected by virtually all
      relevant medical and scientific authorities. They also almost certainly
      contribute to hate crime violence directed at the LGBT community, which is more targeted for such attacks than any other minority group in America. What follows are 10 key myths propagated by the anti-gay movement, along with the truth behind the propaganda.

      http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2010/winter/10-myths

      Readers can see that baikonur is doing nothing more than repeating the same old anti-gay lies that have all long since been debunked.

      • Anonymous

        In the 70’s I lived in NYC and often went to gay bars (as a woman, I felt safe).  One day at brunch the waiter said they were not serving orange juice as a protest against Anita Bryant.  Imagine how confusing it was to be given a plate garnished with orange slices while I drank my tomato juice……can’t we just agree that what makes the most sense is to not be an anything-hater; not lie; not inflict our personal religious beliefs on everyone?

        From a religious perspective I could give a crap about whether or not you use birth control; as a woman I could give a crap about who’s having sex with whom; as a human I’m required to love and respect everyone (period).

        • Anonymous

          Whole oranges come from California; the oranges from Florida are juiced there because they aren’t as attractive and don’t ship well.

    • Anonymous

      Shame on you for pointing out fact-based medical research.

      Well-reasoned scientific studies presented in a well-intended manner.  Thank you for contributing.

      • Anonymous

        That isn’t fact-based, that’s a bunch of lies that have long since been debunked.

  • Anonymous

    I was quite disturbed today when I noticed how many of my “no on one” signs were stolen. Geez people, whoever you may be…you want to be treated  “fairly’… what about FREEDOM OF SPEECH.???? Rights?? That was hitting “below the belt”. I would NEVER take down your signs!

    • Tedlick Badkey

      Funny… I’ve not seen anything on the news about signs stolen.

      If folks are taking down signs, they’re no better than you.

      • Anonymous

        Yup,it’s been on the news, including the BDN and someone is being fined.It’s against the law for anyone to steal. What do you mean, they are no better than me? Don’t you agree, I have freedom of speech?

        • Anonymous

          Freedom of speech doesn’t give you a “special right” to be deceptive and expect us not to call you on it, spbean.  There are way more incidents of YES signs being stolen than this ONE incident of ONE Hate Sign being stolen.

          • Anonymous

            I never said it was one sign being stolen. It was several. I am not being deceptive, I am being factual. Do you have the stats on how many signs  were stolen on each side? Come on…nobody does, really. Again, I do not consider it a “hate sign”. I do not hate you, it is not about hate. It is about people’s beliefs in how this society should be. I would say 98% of people who vote “no” do not hate you.

          • Anonymous

            How many times are you going to tell lies about the pro-equality people?  How many times are you going to deny the anti-gays are anti-gay?  How many times are you going to pretend there is anything but this ONE incident of a Hate Sign being stolen?  That was done in front of a police officer, and the lady who did it is someone you should admire as a real American.

          • Anonymous

            No. I was saying it happened to me. The signs I put up were stolen…several of them. i would not steal other peoples signs.

          • Anonymous

            Anti-gays always claim they are having their Hate Signs stolen, but in case you didn’t look at the calendar, it’s almost Halloween, and kids always steal signs.  LGBT Mainers are not stealing the Hate Signs.

        • Anonymous

          What about all the lies that the anti gay people run on tv . Can you prove what they are saying is true

    • Anonymous

      Call the police, and call the BDN.  In the meantime, more people are reporting the theft of YES signs, while anti-gays have been making false claims about their Hate Signs during all the anti-gay Hate Votes nationwide.

      • Anonymous

        I don’t hate gay people. I don’t agree with gay marriage. Don’t tell me I am hateful.This is my belief and opinion.I’m not stealing their signs. Freedom of speech.

        • Anonymous

          You say you want to HURT LGBT Mainers, and then you try to deny us something you already have or can have yourself?  No use trying to deny you’re hateful when you tell us you hate and want to hurt loving, committed same gender couples.  Freedom Of Speech?  It seems to me you ar saying that’s another of YOUR “special rights” you can deny LGBT Mainers.  Nope.

        • Anonymous

          What makes you think that it’s a special right when they  want to get married . One more thing what is a special right people have special right that gays don’t have  ” MARRIAGE  “

    • Anonymous

      An they are not the only signs getting stolen . The only reason its on the news because this is a hot issue

      • Anonymous

        yes it is.

  • Anonymous

    Anyone straight here have any trophy Gay friends they hang with all the time?. Or is it for convienance to show your friends you are tolerant.. I don’t believe many straight people bar hop with their Gay friends.. Why is that? I know why it is because knowing gay people at work or out and about is different then being a best buds to a gay person. Why because it makes you uncomfortable.. maybe people will think your gay also and you don’t want that stigma do you.. So most supporters are bigots themselves.  (-;

    • Anonymous

      What an idiotic statement.  I have a direct relative who is gay and whom I adore.  The person who performed my marriage ceremony is gay.  Apparently the gay and lesbian people around you can sense your bigotry and choose to keep quiet.

      • Anonymous

        my comment first sentence, any straight people.

    • Anonymous

      What this anti-gay poster is really talking about is how anti-gays will claim that ANYONE who won’t help them HURT loving, committed same gender American couples “MUST BE GAY.”  This anti-gay poster is also trying to project his own nasty opinions onto normal, non-homophobic Americans.  It won’t work.  Most Americans are comfortable with their LGBT family members, friends, neighbors and coworkers.

      But please tell us what makes YOU an EXPERT on who’s in gay bars, sweetie!

      • Anonymous

        LOL!!! I didn’t say gay bars did I.. yet I expect nothing less from carrotcakeman. one who insights anger with hatful slurs like anti gays. what you did D is turn me a Y vote to a N vote

  • Anonymous

    I am against same sex marriage.I don’t want my  grandchildren to grow up in a world that it’s “normal”. I don’t.

    • Anonymous

      Too bad for you that your grandchildren probably already fully embrace the concept.

      • Anonymous

        You’re correct.  It’s too bad that spbean has chosen to cut himself off from his family with his hatred and fear of loving, committed same gender Mainer couples.

    • Anonymous

      You will have to find some other world, then, since 6 US States and the District of Columbia already have marriage equality.  So does Canada, Mexico, Argentina, Spain, South Africa, and many other countries.  I’m sorry you’re so uncomfortable with the American concept of EQUALITY.  Shame on you for trying to deprive your grandchildren of equality.  They will fix this mistake you’re trying to make.

      • Anonymous

        I disagee. I don’t care how many states or countries are doing it. It’s wrong. Period.

        • Anonymous

          I’m sorry you do not support our United States Constitution, spbean.  Couldn’t you just move to a homophobic country, and stop trying to hurt America this way?

          • Anonymous

            Wow, carrotcakeman. I am not homophobic. I am completely comfortable talking and sharing with my gay friends. We love eachother and can talk and share openly.

          • Anonymous

            Most anti-gays are really just following a script they get from one of the anti-gay Hate Cults’ websites.  Anti-gays are told they should claim they “have gay friends,” but who is going to believe spbean has told his “gay friends” that he thinks they don’t deserve the same rights he enjoys and that he plans not only to vote to hurt them, but that he comes to the BDN to say all LGBT Americans are “wrong.  Period.”

            Spare us your anti-gay script, spbean.  We’ve heard them all before.

          • Anonymous

            So what did your “gay friends” say when they saw your Hate Signs, spbean?

    • Tedlick Badkey

      They will. “Normal” is only your opinion. Used to be that interracial couples weren’t “normal”, but I’m sure you’re against that too.  Good thing is your grandchildren will have better role models than you.

      • Anonymous

        Wow. How dare you say that , “you’re against that too”?!   Quite judgemental of you. No, that is not a problem for me. Same sex marriage is.

        • Anonymous

          What makes you think that you have a “special right” to be judgemental about loving, committed Mainer same gender couples who just want the SAME right to PROTECT each other that you already have or can have, spbean?  It seems YOUR problem is not marriage equality, your problem is that you think you are the “DECIDER” on other peoples’ lives and other peoples’ Constitutionally guaranteed equality.  You aren’t, spbean, shame on you for trying to TAKE that “special right.”

          • Anonymous

            Just disagree, and always will.

          • Anonymous

            But you DON’T “just disagree,” spbean, you say you are going to vote to HURT my partner and me and make sure we can never have the same protections you have.  You say you are going to subvert the United States Constitution.  That is NOT “just disagree.”  Americans would all be happy if anti-gays “just disagreed,” but we see the 2009 Hate Vote was NOT “just disagreeing.”  Own up to the fact you are trying to hurt your fellow Mainers and our Constitution as well.

          • Anonymous

            Carrotcakeman, I am sorry you feel so hurt and angry. It all started with me voicing my upset about having my signs taken down. You may not think I mean it, but I hope for good  things for you. I am done with this discussion.

          • Anonymous

            Do you know that there has been gay marriage for 4,000 years  ?

          • Anonymous

            I’m not hurt, because even if you vote NO now, that NO vote will be revoked by the United States Supreme Court, but I am angry that you plan to subvert our Constitution that way.  This is the first you said your Hate Signs were taken down, it’s just too late for you to convince me of that.  I hope for good things for you, too, but if you’re still planning to vote NO, you are NOT hoping that.

          • Anonymous

             I don’t have the same hope that SCOTUS will do the correct thing.Not while Alito and Thomas are there.Ginsburg is unlikely to last until 2016 and the Court will be irrevocably changed-and not for the better.

          • Anonymous

            I will agree neither Alito or Thomas would be fair about this, and that if Willard would be elected, that would be a disaster.  Let’s just hope he’s defeated.  It isn’t so much that Willard is driven by total hatred like the anti-gays, but he can be bought.

          • Anonymous

            As I posted above,watch the documentary called 8.Ideally,we will have an atheist as President who will follow science and reason.Maybe he can take the oath on a Chris Hitchens book.I support the SPLC and just sent them a check as well as MUM for the third time.The Nones have gone up by 5% since 2005.It’s going to take a while to get rid of the mumbo jumbo but it will happen.Then humanity will prosper beyond belief.
            And thanks for no caps.Deep breaths.Yes on One here from a hetero male.Much luck and joy.

    • Anonymous

      There’s  is no such thing as a normal world 

      • Anonymous

        true

  • Anonymous

    The United States Constitution guarantees and requires “Equal Protection Under the Law,” which the US Supreme Court has confirmed applies to all US States as well.  By seeking to deny loving, committed same gender Mainer couples the same protection the marriage law grants mixed-sex couples, anti-gays are attempting to SUBVERT the United States Constitution.  I am so very ashamed of anti-gays for telling us they are not Americans any more in this very important way.  Anti-gays also seek to force their “religious beliefs” onto all other Americans with these anti-gay laws, meaning they are also seeking to SUBVERT Freedom Of Religion of the many major Christian and Jewish denominations that have married same gender American couples in 6 US States and Washington, DC.  If anti-gays don’t want to live by the US Constitution, they are in the wrong country.

  • Anonymous

    Wait a minute carrotcakeman. Did you make any errors in what you wrote? Seriously I am only trying to understand what you were saying. You started with “you say you want to hurt LGBT Mainers”. Please repeat your comment. I would like to respond.

    • Anonymous

      You still haven’t specified what you don’t understand, spbean.

  • Anonymous

    Will vote no, but will leave the decision as to if its right or wrong, to another, who has said ‘he’ will be the final judge. If its voted in, we will have to live with it, hopefully it will not be forced upon all, by our elected leaders, or some wayward liberal judge, who likes to play God.

    • Anonymous

      Just how will you be “forced” to marry someone of the same gender?

      I’m sorry to learn you seek to subvert the United States Constitution.  Do you really think that He who said “render unto Caesar” will approve of your efforts to hurt America this way?

  • Anonymous

    Why don’t you be more specific about what you don’t understand, and post it at my comment you don’t understand, spbean?

  • Anonymous

    Proponents of same-sex marriage erroneously believe that denying it legal recognition is unconstitutional.  This belief is wrong.  On the contrary, there’s nothing unconstitutional about keeping marriage between one man and one woman as it needs to be.  An accurate reading and interpretation of the 14th Amendment tells why:

    14th Amendment – U.S. Constitution“Section. 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”In saying that same-sex couples should have the same rights and privileges as heterosexual ones, proponents of same-sex marriage (SSM), cite the 14th Amendment as justification. I agree that the 14th Amendment is applicable to this argument but not as justification for SSM. Rather, the 14th Amendment is a powerful argument against bestowing homosexual couples such rights and privileges.The reason has to do with the phrases, “…without due process of law…” and the “…equal protection of the laws.” The whole purpose of law is to govern human behavior for the benefit of the individual and society. Thus, law prohibits, limits, or encourages different behaviors, based on their merits or lack of them. Merits, in turn, are based on objective facts – not feelings without facts. For example, facts prove that some behaviors furnish positive benefits to individuals and society, and should, therefore, be encouraged with financial and legal benefits. Examples in this first category would include going to college, starting a business, buying a home, giving to charities, and entering into marriage. Other behaviors have the potential for harm but banning them would cause an undue burden on personal liberty. So, we limit these behaviors to consenting adults. Examples in this second category would be smoking, drinking, gambling, and human sexual relations outside marriage. Finally, some behaviors are so egregious that we prohibit them. Examples in this third category would be the taking of life or property.So law isn’t based solely on what people want. It’s also based on the people or their representatives objectively reviewing facts to indicate why a law is justified or not. This is the “…due process of law…” mentioned in the 14th Amendment. In accordance with this process, the facts (science) show that homosexual behavior (not the urge for this behavior, which is the driving force for the behavior) falls within the second category of human behavior. It does so because homosexual behavior is associated with serious bodily damage, disease, instability of commitment, and infidelity (1).For these reasons, government recognition of SSM is wrong, because it mischaracterizes same-sex behavior. SSM does so by erroneously placing same-sex behavior in the first behavioral category – one that’s beneficial to the individual and society and, therefore, one that’s deserving of encouragement through the rights and privileges mentioned above. Clearly, in accordance with the facts, society shouldn’t encourage same-sex behavior, especially since its origin is partially external (like ones peer group, family, and society). Consequently SSM will encourage those who wouldn’t otherwise engage in homosexual behavior to do so (1). For every other external factor, like this one, we’ve recognized their ability to influence problematic behaviors and have, therefore, taken measures to limit them. For instance with smoking, which is subject to peer and societal influences, we’ve stopped advertising that might encourage it. Yet for another unhealthy behavior – same-sex behavior, which is also subject to peer and societal influences, some want to do the exact opposite and encourage it with government recognition of SSM. This view is not only contradictory but it’s also blatantly hypocritical and without merit of any kind. Indeed, with respect to SSM, the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment is clear. We cannot say that one unhealthy behavior (smoking) deserves no encouragement, while another unhealthy behavior (same-sex behavior) does. Hence, for this reason and all the others mentioned above, the only intellectually honest and logical decision to make is to vote NO on Question 1. 

    (1) See post left earlier today under baikonur.

    • Anonymous

       What a pity for anti-gays that that drivel is never going to fool a judge.  Several US State High Courts have heard that same nonsense and rejected it.

    • Anonymous

      yawn……

    • Anonymous

      sounds like you’re on the short list for supreme court if Mr. Romney has his way…..

    • Joseph

      A wall of text, only for inference by a person such as you. How dull and without thought can one be? The question has an answer. You are baseless in your inference. I am sure much of your text and opinions match in a way that not even a jet engine could reach between two points. Your claims on homosexuality are more than amusing, they are a sophomoric interpretation of a student in high school trying to analyze text. When I read books, regardless of what they say, I quote them and then say what I want to say. Academia would rip you apart, yes these are the people that make everything you do not know how. So please denounce them, grab some more text and invert it into your “intelligent” theories of dictatorship and pass it off as freedom. 

  • Anonymous

    Yes, baikonur, we already saw all these silly anti-gay LIES you’ve posted all over the internet.  No use your arguing that you’re some Constitutional expert when that’s really just the same old LIES you copied from some anti-gay Hate Cult’s website.  here, baikonur, take a look:

    http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2010/winter/the-hard-liners

    The Southern Poverty Law Center has already debunked all these anti-gay lies, as anyone can see at that web page.

  • Anonymous

    Well written, I was also surprised by the comments left on the Treworgy Farms Facebook page, hello people, it’s called an opinion and everyone is entitled to theirs. Just because you don’t see eye to eye doesn’t mean people need to be so cruel to others. I personally am not married, might as well be, we have kids, a house, we haven’t gotten married we are committed to each other and love each other, but if we wanted to marry, we could, the option is always there. I’m not against same sex marriage, I’m not gay either, if someone wants to get married let them marry who ever they want to. By voting yes, it gives that option to everyone, so be it. Why not?

    • Anonymous

      Thank you for your support, and good luck.

  • Anonymous

    Here’s what the Southern Poverty Law Center says about the groups they have certified as anti-gay Hate Cults:

    “Even as some well-known anti-gay groups like Focus on the Family
    moderate their views, a hard core of smaller groups, most of them
    religiously motivated, have continued to pump out demonizing propaganda aimed at homosexuals and other sexual minorities. These groups’ influence reaches far beyond what their size would suggest, because the “facts” they disseminate about homosexuality
    are often amplified by certain politicians, other groups and even news
    organizations. Of the 18 groups profiled below, the Southern Poverty Law
    Center (SPLC) will be listing 13 next year as hate groups, reflecting
    further research into their views; those are each marked with an
    asterisk. Generally, the SPLC’s listings of these groups is based on their propagation of known falsehoods
    — claims about LGBT people that have been thoroughly discredited by
    scientific authorities — and repeated, groundless name-calling. Viewing
    homosexuality as unbiblical does not qualify organizations for listing
    as hate groups.”

    http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2010/winter/the-hard-liners

    The cults listed at that web page are the source for most of the anti-gay lies we read here.

    • Southern Poverty Law Center ….Yeah, what a joke!

      • Joseph

        The agency can be called whatever you want. It is a truth that our red states are some of the worst states in the sense of crime and poverty . The stats on these “red” states are horrific, poverty, sti/std, teen pregnancy, teen suicide,  unemployment, rape, crime, crimes against outgroups, high prison populations, pay less in taxes, low graduate rates and they pay less on schools than their eastern counterparts. Yeah it is a funny joke. So funny… I forgot to laugh. Keep ignoring everything Mr. Peters, you rights are better than anyone else’s. I am amazed at how ignorant and unaware most people are, funny enough, liberal tactics do not seem to cause the above issues, where as conservative tactics do. Ha – so funny. 

        • You said nothing but liberal progressive democrat propaganda!

          • Joseph

            Rock on Mr. Peters. Read the census. Census results must be liberal too, in order, for your theory to work. You make my world go round buddy, platonic application of course. One day I will argue against THE millions of You(s) and nothing makes me smile more.

          • Anonymous

            It’s sad that facts are “propaganda” to anti-gays.  Psychologists identified homophobia as a mental illness and published their results in the Journal of the National Institutes of Health in 1953.  Psychologists report that the most commonly observed symptom of the mental disorder homophobia is an inability of those so afflicted to accept documentation that contradicts their deep-seated phobia and hatred of LGBT Americans.  That might be the reason that poster refuses to believe the facts the SPLC documented.

      • Anonymous

        So you really fear them for documenting the lies of the anti-gay Hate Cults, huh? 

  • Anonymous

    Why is it that people want to believe  the anti gay people  ? 

    • Anonymous

      Other anti-gays know deep in their hearts they are doing WRONG by voting to HURT their fellow Americans who are LGBT, and they make themselves believe that somehow the wrong they are doing is OK because they start to believe all that hate speech that anti-gays post, claiming LGBT Americans are not living, real human beings.

  • Anonymous

    Only the truly numb  put up political signs about controversial issues at their place of business.  Ms Ordway  and the Treworgy’s need not act like the opposition started the fracas on Facebook.   Had the sign not been placed at the Treworgy’s place of business there would not have been anything on Facebook.  

    Can we please not sink into hypocrisy and  pretend  that  the Treworgy’s  were just innocent bystanders.

    • Anonymous

      Treworgy’s have the right to do as they please,  How would they have known the anger bitterness and bigotry that the gay supporters have towards people with a different opinion.. I am sad that the less tolerant were and are the pro gay supposed tolerant people..

      • Anonymous

        With rights come responsibility.  The Treworgys bear FULL RESPONSIBILITY for the comments and their loss of business.

        And SPARE us that anti-gay WHINE that your intended victims are “intolerant” of your attempts to HURT your intended victims. 

  • Anonymous

    I for one am tired of the whole issue…if it doesn’t pass it will be back…There is no tolerance on either side and the ranting is a sad political ploy…all people have beliefs but you have to disagree with one side or the other…thats all it takes… I call it ..hate the haters hate.. i’ll vote Tuesday but i don’t feel the need to explain or defend my vote.. Its my vote and I will have my quiet say.. Good luck to both sides and Let’s pray this is the last time..

    • Anonymous

      There is an easy way to make this the last time, vote YES and support the United States Constitution.

  • Anonymous

    Why aren’t we allowed to hate?
    I want to fight for my right to do what others call hate… as long as my actions do not take away the rights of others.
    I am sick of the Orwellian thought police.
    I am all FOR gay marriage, but I am completely against telling anyone else what they should believe.
    The state simply cannot give rights to one group and keep those same rights from another.
    I have a good idea.. just throw out the whole civil marriage thing.  Make it a strictly religious thing.

    My next thought is to make marriage exactly what it was 150 years ago in the USA.  A woman was GIVEN to a man, as his personal property.
    Those who think that marriage has not evolved and mutated over the years really ought to learn history.

  • Scott Harriman

    I just wish the religious people would keep their god out of the laws that govern my life.

    Maine State Constitution, Article I, Section 3:
    “All persons demeaning themselves peaceably, as good members of the
    State, shall be equally under the protection of the laws, and no
    subordination nor preference of any one sect or denomination to another
    shall ever be established by law.”

    http://www.maine.gov/legis/const/

    • Anonymous

      Are you saying people who are religious shouldn’t be allowed to vote?? Or shouldn’t be allowed to talk amoung themselves about their beliefs, I’m going to go out on a limb here and say that in the bill for same sex marriage there is no mention of God it it..  You probably would be the first person to deny people the right of freedom of religion..

      • Scott Harriman

        I would never deny anyone the right to vote, to talk about their beliefs or to enjoy religious freedom.

        However, I am strongly opposed to someone using the law to enforce their particular religious viewpoint.  It is wrong and unconstitutional (see “no subordination nor preference of any one sect or denomination to another shall ever be established by law” in my previous comment).

        I wonder how the No on 1 people would feel if a group of fundamentalist Muslims tried to institute Sharia law for everyone…

        • Anonymous

          Well, of course you aren’t denying anyone else any rights by standing up for the United States Constitution and equality, Scott, that’s just another BIG FAT LIE anti-gays tell.  Anti-gays ALWAYS lie.

        • Scott Harriman

          …or if some Orthodox Jews got a law passed that said nobody was allowed to eat bacon.

          Keeping religion out of the law is the only way to make it fair for everyone.

      • Anonymous

        The major Christian, Jewish and other denominations that are marrying same gender couples now are being denied their right to practice their religion freely in 44 US States:

        The Association of Welcoming and Affirming Baptists
        The Episcopal Church
        Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
        Metropolitan Community Church
        Conservative Judaism
        Reform Judaism
        Religious Society of Friends (Quakers)
        Unitarian Universalist Church
        United Church of Christ

        What about THEIR Freedom Of Religion, pushy?

    • MOVE! or marry the opposite sex! This law applies equally to all!

      • Scott Harriman

        What would be the point of a gay person marrying someone whom they are not attracted to and are not compatible with?

        • Thats why you need to pursue a CIVIL UNION!

          • Anonymous

            Too late to claim you support fake second-class marriage, anti-gays fought civil unions as well.  MOST of the anti-gay Hate Votes say loving, committed same gender couples may have NO legal recognition, NO civil unions.  This is how same gender couples are being separated from each other when one is in the hospital.  You know that’s what you anti-gays have done, Mr. Peters, no use your lying now.

          • Scott Harriman

            Maine does not have civil unions.  Please try again.

      • Anonymous

        No, LGBT Americans DO NOT have the SAME right to legal marriage as mixed-sex couples do.  The Iowa State Supreme Court unanimously established marriage equality in April 2009, and this is their answer to “You have the same right to marry someone of the opposite sex as anyone else”:

        “It is true the marriage statute does not expressly prohibit gay and lesbian persons from marrying; it does, however, require that if they marry, it must be to someone of the opposite sex. Viewed in the complete context of marriage, including intimacy, civil marriage with a person of the opposite sex is as unappealing to a gay or lesbian person as civil marriage with a person of the same sex is to a heterosexual. Thus, the right of a gay or lesbian person under the marriage statute to enter into a civil marriage only with a person of the opposite sex is no right at all. Under such a law, gay or lesbian individuals cannot simultaneously fulfill their deeply felt need for a committed personal relationship, as influenced by their sexual orientation, and gain the civil status and attendant benefits granted by the statute. Instead, a gay or lesbian person can only gain the same rights under the statute as a heterosexual person by negating the very trait that defines gay and lesbian people as a class-their sexual orientation.”

        http://www.iowacourtsonline.org/Supreme_Court/Varnum_v_Brien/Supreme_Court_Ruling/

  • Anonymous

    From the playwright Doug Wright:

    I wish my moderate Republican friends would simply be honest. They all say they’re voting for Romney because of his economic policies (tenuous and ill-formed as they are), and that they disagree with him on gay rights. Fine. Then look me in the eye, speak with a level clear voice, and say,” My taxes and take-home pay mean more than your fundamental civil rights, the sanctity of your marriage, your right to visit an ailing spouse in the hospital, your dignity as a citizen of this country, your healthcare, your right to inherit, the mental welfare and emotional well-being of your youth, and your very personhood.” It’s like voting for George Wallace during the Civil Rights movements, and apologizing for his racism. You’re still complicit. You’re still perpetuating anti-gay legislation and cultural homophobia. You don’t get to walk away clean, because you say you “disagree” with your candidate on these issues.

    • Anonymous

      Politics eh?  It’s funny how the big boys like to make every social issue political, it keeps the country divided.. easier to control.. you do not know who is voting for what. lots of liberals don’t want SSM, pick on them call them out. Shaming people into voting a certain way, well you will never know know what happens behind the curtain will you?

      • Anonymous

        “lots of liberals don’t want SSM”

        Can you identify even ONE?

  • Anonymous

    people spoke out in favor of slavery and being the selfish beneficiaries of all the economic gain of keeping fellow humans as subcitizens enslaved and devoid of rights….that justifiably changed. which side of history so you wish to stand with Bigots or humanitarians…? the confederacy is dead.

  • You put up a sign at your business that you don’t want my relationship of 26 years with this one person most divinely special in my life to be recognized like everybody else’s, and I respond by taking away my business. Period. End of business relationship. Get over it. what do you expect. My personal ife hinges on this vote. Your business is against it. I am never going to your business, ever, ever, ever. You have no idea how personal this vote is. EVER.

  • Anonymous

    14th amendment.

    • The Fourteenth Amendment was adopted on July 9, 1868, as one of the Reconstruction Amendments.
      I dont see anything remotely related to homosexual acts in that amendment!

      • Anonymous

        And yet we see things like gender in that Amendment…

      • Tedlick Badkey

        Please tell us where it identifies anything other than citizens…

        Race is never mentioned… gender, nope… religion, nope… nothing.

        Just citizens.

      • Anonymous

        Anti-gays never “see” the parts of the Constitution they want to DESTROY.

        Starting with Massachusetts, several US State High Courts have said denying same gender couples the RIGHT to legal marriage VIOLATES the 14th Amendment.  Their opinions COUNT.  The nasty opinion of an anti-gay doesn’t count for diddly squat.

  • Anonymous

    fourteenth amendment.
    look it up.

  • Randall Flagg

    if the gays ever get married in this state…there will be consequences…more earthquakes

    • Anonymous

      What total nonsense.  No wonder no one believes anything anti-gays say.

  • Anonymous

    A business is open all of the public and posting  a sign  that indicates  disapproval  of a specific group  is out of line with common courtesy and common practice.   

    Imagine Treworgy’s sign  pasted on   McDonalds’s  entrance door to understand just how out of line it is.  Intelligent business people do not post signs in their shop window displaying their religious and political beliefs unless they intend to be aggressive about their beliefs. 

      The Constitution protects us against many things  but I’m pretty sure freedom from the consequences of ignoring common courtesy in a place of business is not one of them .

    • Anonymous

      Where can we send your order of one pair of white gloves, Ms. Manners?

      • Anonymous

        Anti-gays always attack anyone who won’t help them HURT same gender American couples.

  • Anonymous

    I would love to see a psychologist come in here an explain why people are lying about  gay  marriage ..  But there agen the people would call the psychologist a lyer. Now the people that believe the adds on tv that are againse ssm like the inn keeper  ect they are nothing but sheep that need to be lead they are not smart enough to find out the truth or they are a afraid of the truth

  • Anonymous

    Funny how those that preach tolerance for the rest of us are in fact the least tolerant!
    Or maybe it’s just that Liberals are less tolerant.
    They sure are the less civil of the two parties!

    • Tedlick Badkey

      Why should anyone be tolerant of voting against law abiding citizens’ benefits and protections under the government we all pay taxes to?

    • Anonymous

      How many times are anti-gays going to WHINE that their intended victims are “intolerant” of anti-gays trying to HURT their intended victims?

  • “REAL CHRISTIANS” follow Christ! “REAL CHRISTIANS” obey God!”REAL CHRISTIANS” read and apply the Bible’s teachings in their life!
    The Bible states many times that homosexual acts are sin! Christ defined marriage when discussing divorce! Matthew 19:4-6… 4“Haven’t you read the Scriptures?” Jesus replied. “They record that from the beginning ‘God made them male and female.’*” + 5And he said, “‘This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.’* + 6Since they are no longer two but one, let no one split apart what God has joined together.”
    Jesus made God’s ideal very plain: At creation he approved one kind of marriage bond, man to woman. These become one flesh—one before God.

    • Tedlick Badkey

      But your religious choice is not our civil law.

      I like it that it’s all you have. It insures that in the end, things won’t end up to your liking.

  • Anonymous

    Tolerance is not the lofty goal everyone seems to be focused on.  Should we be tolerant of pedophiles?  I mean, they are born that way, aren’t they?  Poor things . . .
    Tolerance is a buzzword in the modern progressive movement.  But tolerance is a two-way street, unless you are pro-SSM.
    Racism was the buzzword in the last rights movement.  And then we all discovered that blacks can be as racist as anyone else.
    I’ll take my “intolerance” as a compliment, thanks.  In fact, it’s called “discernment”.

    • Anonymous

      You’re disgusting. How’s that for a word? Pedophilia and homosexuality are no where near alike. For you to compare the two is hateful. 

      Who is the victim when two men or two women get together and bond? The answer is no one, because there is this thing called consent between the two. 

      • Anonymous

        We are all victims to our own desires.

        • Anonymous

          You make disgusting remarks and then you try and step away from them. That’s cowardice. 

          • Anonymous

            Anti-gays are cowards, all right.  They do always deny what they just posted.

        • Anonymous

          Anti-gays are victims to their own desires, but not normal, non-homophobic Americans!

    • Tedlick Badkey

      Comparing law-abiding citizens to those who would harm children demonstrates your vast stupidity.

      • Anonymous

        Gay marriage proponents are not “law-abiding” citizens.  They don’t abide our marriage laws, now do they?

        • Tedlick Badkey

          ROFLOL!!! Oh good grief!

          Sure they do… see, civil laws changes… always have. Remember when it was illegal to marry someone of a different race?

          Wow… Gay citizens are not criminals, those that harm children are.

          You’re hysterical!

        • Anonymous

          You’re just so DESPERATE to demean, demonize and dehumanize LGBT Americans, ninelake, but no one will believe you because we all know:

          Anti-gays always lie.

  • Anonymous

    And both of those aunts could have just as easily fallen in love with men, and lived happily ever after.  But instead, they chose to go against the natural choice, and fell in love with someone of the same sex.  And with that choice, they gave away the ability to have their cake and eat it too.  They decided to follow a different path.  And that is their right.  And I’m sure they are nice people.  But they chose one path over the other.
    I chose a traditional path.  And I am a mostly happily married person, with kids who were created out of that traditional path.
    I could have chosen to fall in love with someone who was married, or a child, or an old rich person (a la Anna Nicole) – so I could have quite a different set of benefits.  But I didn’t.  Perhaps I prioritized certain things in my life, as opposed to throwing caution to the wind and letting the chips fall where they may.  At the end of the day, it’s about choices.  And we all live with the consequences of those choices, unless we’re LGBT.  Then we try to change the rules that everyone else lives with, so we can have it our way.  It seems to me that LGBT are the most selfish, self-centered, narcissistic people around.  That is why I can’t support their misguided political agenda.
    I can have respect for their individual right to choose who they live their lives with.  I can even appreciate their contributions to society, the arts, science, medicine, etc.  I can’t, however, endorse the complete undoing of traditional marriage.  If you want to be gay, be gay.  And that means you choose not to get married.  Be happy with your choice. 

    • Anonymous

      I think it’s incredibly arrogant how you make these assumptions. You imagine that gay people are just trying to be different and that’s why they’re committing themselves to someone of the same sex? You honestly believe that’s what they’re doing? 

      Why don’t you sit down with a gay couple and actually talk to them instead of making these hateful claims about them. It’s clear you haven’t really had a discussion with a gay person. Your ignorance is blatantly obvious. 

      • Anonymous

        I’ve talked with many gay couples, friends, relatives, etc.  I understand exactly what they believe they feel.  I just don’t agree with them.  And my view is equally valid with theirs.

        • Tedlick Badkey

          No, you want to harm them. They do not wish to harm you.

          • Anonymous

            Denying homosexuals the ability to call their marriage and mine as equal is not harming them. If it is about rights, then codify homosexual marriage into law. Just be sure to differentiate between gay marriage and traditional marriage. They are not the same in any way. Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4GLTE smartphone. From : Disqus Subject : [bdn] Re: Same-sex marriage debate turned nasty over a sign near an orchard Tedlick Badkey wrote, in response to Ninelake: No, you want to harm them. They do not wish to harm you. Link to comment Ninelake wrote: I’ve talked with many gay couples, friends, relatives, etc. I understand exactly what they believe they feel. I just don’t agree with them. And my view is equally valid with theirs. —– Options: Reply with “Like”to like this comment, or respond in the body to post a reply comment. To turn off notifications

          • Tedlick Badkey

            They are exactly the same.

            See, procreation has nothing to do to with marriage, and is the only real difference between heterosexual and homosexual couples.
            The civil contract is called a “marriage license”… it’ll work for everyone.

          • Anonymous

            Same exact set of anti-gay LIES.  SPAM.

          • Anonymous

            Denying homosexuals the ability to call their marriage and mine as equal is not harming them. If it is about rights, then codify homosexual marriage into law. Just be sure to differentiate between gay marriage and traditional marriage. They are not the same in any way. Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4GLTE smartphone. From : Disqus Subject : [bdn] Re: Same-sex marriage debate turned nasty over a sign near an orchard Tedlick Badkey wrote, in response to Ninelake: No, you want to harm them. They do not wish to harm you. Link to comment Ninelake wrote: I’ve talked with many gay couples, friends, relatives, etc. I understand exactly what they believe they feel. I just don’t agree with them. And my view is equally valid with theirs. —– Options: Reply with “Like”to like this comment, or respond in the body to post a reply comment. To turn off notifications

          • Anonymous

            Is there anything more RIDICULOUS than an anti-gay claiming that hurting LGBT Americans isn’t hurting LGBT Americans?  Well, yes, anti-gays deny they are anti-gay all the time, and then they claim their intended victims are “the real haters.”

            Anti-gays always lie.

        • Anonymous

          No, it’s not valid. Believing the world is flat isn’t as valid as understand the earth is round.

          I sincerely doubt you have any gay friends. No friend would make such hateful remarks about someone they care about. And I think it’s disgusting how you’re trying to step back from the words you used earlier and now want to refer to it as simple disagrement. You compared them to pedophiles and said they were narcissistic all around.

           You’re not friend of any gay person. I know that without a doubt. So not only are you ignorant, you’re also dishonest. 

          • Anonymous

            You don’t know me. You try to judge me based on a few short sentences posted on a news article. I compared gay sexual attraction to pedophilic sexual attraction. And I would compare it to heterosexual attraction as well. Attraction centers in the brain provide our sexual orientation if we choose to act on the impulses we experience. Why are so offended by it? It was simply an effort to explain that all sexual attraction is from the same place. I also espoused a theory put forth by no less than Freud and Jung, who are pillars of the psychiatric community. They believed homosexual behavior to be abnormal – not a judgement, just a definition. All classes of sexual attraction that are not considered normal are by default abnormal. Yes, by the very definition of tolerance you and others put forth, my views are just as valid as yours. Otherwise, you are intolerant. How does it feel? From : Disqus Subject : [bdn] Re: Same-sex marriage debate turned nasty over a sign near an orchard wolfndeer wrote, in response to Ninelake: No, it’s not valid. Believing the world is flat isn’t as valid as understand the earth is round. I sincerely doubt you have any gay friends. No friend would make such hateful remarks about someone they care about. And I think it’s disgusting how you’re trying to step back from the words you used earlier and now want to refer to it as simple disagrement. You compared them to pedophiles and said they were narcissistic all around. You’re not friend of any gay person. I know that without a doubt. So not only are you ignorant, you’re also dishonest. Link to comment Ninelake wrote: I’ve talked with many gay couples, friends, relatives, etc. I understand exactly what they believe they feel. I just don’t agree with them. And my view is equally valid with theirs. —– Options: Reply with “Like”to like this comment, or respond in the body to post a reply comment. To turn off notifications

          • Anonymous

            How many times did you post this identical bunch of lies?

          • Anonymous

            You don’t know me. You try to judge me based on a few short sentences posted on a news article. I compared gay sexual attraction to pedophilic sexual attraction. And I would compare it to heterosexual attraction as well. Attraction centers in the brain provide our sexual orientation if we choose to act on the impulses we experience. Why are so offended by it? It was simply an effort to explain that all sexual attraction is from the same place. I also espoused a theory put forth by no less than Freud and Jung, who are pillars of the psychiatric community. They believed homosexual behavior to be abnormal – not a judgement, just a definition. All classes of sexual attraction that are not considered normal are by default abnormal. Yes, by the very definition of tolerance you and others put forth, my views are just as valid as yours. Otherwise, you are intolerant. How does it feel? From : Disqus Subject : [bdn] Re: Same-sex marriage debate turned nasty over a sign near an orchard wolfndeer wrote, in response to Ninelake: No, it’s not valid. Believing the world is flat isn’t as valid as understand the earth is round. I sincerely doubt you have any gay friends. No friend would make such hateful remarks about someone they care about. And I think it’s disgusting how you’re trying to step back from the words you used earlier and now want to refer to it as simple disagrement. You compared them to pedophiles and said they were narcissistic all around. You’re not friend of any gay person. I know that without a doubt. So not only are you ignorant, you’re also dishonest. Link to comment Ninelake wrote: I’ve talked with many gay couples, friends, relatives, etc. I understand exactly what they believe they feel. I just don’t agree with them. And my view is equally valid with theirs. —– Options: Reply with “Like”to like this comment, or respond in the body to post a reply comment. To turn off notifications

          • Anonymous

            You scream and cry that I can’t judge you because I don’t know you, then you go on to make wild and sweeping judgments of gay people. That’s called hypocrisy. So we have ignorant, hypocritical, and dishonest. These are the qualities you are demonstrating for yourself. 

          • Anonymous

            Sure, we know you, ninelake, we see the exact same nonsense posted by anti-gays under different screen names.  We see YOU have posted the same drivel several times.  We know you are just copying nonsense from some anti-gay Hate Cult website and pasting it here.  Don’t waste uour time, you aren’t fooling ANYONE.

        • Anonymous

          Anti-gays are always claiming they “have gay friends.”  This is just one of the LIES that their anti-gay Hate Cults tell them to repeat.  These aren’t even ninelake’s “views,” he’s just copying lies from the anti-gay Hate Cult websites and pasting them here.

    • Anonymous

      God made gay animals so he made gay people

    • Tedlick Badkey

      When did you choose to ignore your same-sex preference?

    •  there is no such thing as a traditional  marriage

    • Anonymous

      It’s so sad to see anti-gays make all these vicious personal attacks.  What’s even sadder is after anti-gays have shown us how much they HATE LGBT Americans, they turn around and try to claim that LGBT Americans are “the real haters.”

      Anti-gays always seek to demean, demonize and dehumanize LGBT Americans.  Fortunately, anti-gays aren’t fooling ANYONE now.

  • Anonymous

    And pedophiles are born with a predeliction for young children.  Does that make them right?  Should we not fear them simply because they are different from the majority?  Should we celebrate their differences?
    No – of course we shouldn’t.  We should seek to find answers as to why they have a faulty attraction to children.  The same way we should better understand why homosexuals have a faulty attraction to the same sex.  The American Psychological Association has done a disservice to the gay community, by stating that there is nothing wrong with homosexuality, and that it should no longer be a recognized psychological issue.

    • Tedlick Badkey

      Comparing law-abiding citizens to those who would harm children demonstrates your vast stupidity.

      • Anonymous

        It is also hate speech.  Most of what anti-gays post is just hate speech, a bunch of anti-gay lies.

    • Anonymous

      I’m really sorry to learn how fascinated you are with criminal child sexual assault.  We know what it means when anti-gays express their fantasies about “gay sex”:

      “Homophobia is apparently associated with homosexual arousal that the homophobic individual is either unaware of or denies.”

      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8772014

      Shall we assume you have a similar reason for promoting criminal child sexual assault?

  • Anonymous

    Look at the 60’s when we had hippies an people put them down all the time now when you look back they were just like you and  me

  • Anonymous

    And LGBT folks will gain nothing from having same-sex marriage allowed by law.  They have all the protections they need, and if not, they could certainly have them through other legal means.
    I have a prediction: in a few years, when all of the hoopla has died down, a gay man will overhear one of his straight friends telling a buddy how much he enjoyed having sex with a woman.  And the gay man will decide that he should be able to have the same thing.  Only, the gay man will decide that he doesn’t really want to have sex with the woman – he wants to be able to legally call his male partner a “woman” – so he can have the same rights that the straight man has.  So, the gay man will start a campaign to redefine the definition of each gender – basically so that the gay man can say he’s “having sex with a woman” too.  After all, we should all be equal, right?  Does anyone think redefining gender will be a problem?  If so, then why the heck would you want to redefine “marriage?”  We all know what marriage means – a man and a woman make a lifelong commitment and publicly exchange vows before God and/or their friends and relatives.  And yes, half of those “lifelong commitments” currently end in divorce, because at least half of those couples didn’t actually mean what they said.
    If you want to be gay – enjoy it.  But that doesn’t mean you can or should try to have what a straight couple create, and society recognizes, as they have since the dawn of time.

    • Tedlick Badkey

      I’m glad you’re here. You’re a very powerful ally.

      • Anonymous

        Yes, by showing how ridiculous anti-gays are, Ninelake is destroying his own anti-gay agenda.

    • Anonymous

      And LGBT folks will gain nothing from having same-sex marriage allowed by law.  They have all the protections they need Now tell all of us were did you get all of your info from  ?   They WILL GAIN over 1,000 things that married people have an i can list more  if you want to hear them 

      • Anonymous

        What about single people? How can they get all of these same rights? Why do married people get special treatment? From : Disqus Subject : [bdn] Re: Same-sex marriage debate turned nasty over a sign near an orchard wollydevil wrote, in response to Ninelake: And LGBT folks will gain nothing from having same-sex marriage allowed by law. They have all the protections they need Now tell all of us were did you get all of your info from ? They WILL GAIN over 1,000 things that married people have an i can list more if you want to hear them Link to comment Ninelake wrote: And LGBT folks will gain nothing from having same-sex marriage allowed by law. They have all the protections they need, and if not, they could certainly have them through other legal means.I have a prediction: in a few years, when all of the hoopla has died down, a gay man will overhear one of his straight friends telling a buddy how much he enjoyed having sex with a woman. And the gay man will decide that he should be able to have the same thing. Only, the gay man will decide that he doesn’t really want to have sex with the woman – he wants to be able to legally call his male partner a “woman”- so he can have the same rights that the straight man has. So, the gay man will start a campaign to redefine the definition of each gender – basically so that the gay man can say… —– Options: Reply with “Like”to like this comment, or respond in the body to post a reply comment. To turn off notifications

      • Anonymous

        What about single people? How can they get all of these same rights? Why do married people get special treatment? From : Disqus Subject : [bdn] Re: Same-sex marriage debate turned nasty over a sign near an orchard wollydevil wrote, in response to Ninelake: And LGBT folks will gain nothing from having same-sex marriage allowed by law. They have all the protections they need Now tell all of us were did you get all of your info from ? They WILL GAIN over 1,000 things that married people have an i can list more if you want to hear them Link to comment Ninelake wrote: And LGBT folks will gain nothing from having same-sex marriage allowed by law. They have all the protections they need, and if not, they could certainly have them through other legal means.I have a prediction: in a few years, when all of the hoopla has died down, a gay man will overhear one of his straight friends telling a buddy how much he enjoyed having sex with a woman. And the gay man will decide that he should be able to have the same thing. Only, the gay man will decide that he doesn’t really want to have sex with the woman – he wants to be able to legally call his male partner a “woman”- so he can have the same rights that the straight man has. So, the gay man will start a campaign to redefine the definition of each gender – basically so that the gay man can say… —– Options: Reply with “Like”to like this comment, or respond in the body to post a reply comment. To turn off notifications

        • Anonymous

          you are so off track that you are not funny. Show me were you get all your info from on all there rights ?

          • Anonymous

            First tell me why married people get benefits that are different from single people. From : Disqus Subject : [bdn] Re: Same-sex marriage debate turned nasty over a sign near an orchard wollydevil wrote, in response to Ninelake: you are so off track that you are not funny. Show me were you get all your info from on all there rights ? Link to comment Ninelake wrote: What about single people? How can they get all of these same rights? Why do married people get special treatment? From : Disqus Subject : [bdn] Re: Same-sex marriage debate turned nasty over a sign near an orchard wollydevil wrote, in response to Ninelake: And LGBT folks will gain nothing from having same-sex marriage allowed by law. They have all the protections they need Now tell all of us were did you get all of your info from ? They WILL GAIN over 1,000 things that married people have an i can list more if you want to hear them Link to comment Ninelake wrote: And LGBT folks will gain nothing from having same-sex marriage allowed by law. They have all the protections they need, and if not, they could certainly have them through other legal means.I have a prediction: in a few years, when… —– Options: Reply with “Like”to like this comment, or respond in the body to post a reply comment. To turn off notifications

          • Anonymous

            How many times are you going to post the same anti-gay nonsense?

          • Anonymous

            First tell me why married people get benefits that are different from single people. From : Disqus Subject : [bdn] Re: Same-sex marriage debate turned nasty over a sign near an orchard wollydevil wrote, in response to Ninelake: you are so off track that you are not funny. Show me were you get all your info from on all there rights ? Link to comment Ninelake wrote: What about single people? How can they get all of these same rights? Why do married people get special treatment? From : Disqus Subject : [bdn] Re: Same-sex marriage debate turned nasty over a sign near an orchard wollydevil wrote, in response to Ninelake: And LGBT folks will gain nothing from having same-sex marriage allowed by law. They have all the protections they need Now tell all of us were did you get all of your info from ? They WILL GAIN over 1,000 things that married people have an i can list more if you want to hear them Link to comment Ninelake wrote: And LGBT folks will gain nothing from having same-sex marriage allowed by law. They have all the protections they need, and if not, they could certainly have them through other legal means.I have a prediction: in a few years, when… —– Options: Reply with “Like”to like this comment, or respond in the body to post a reply comment. To turn off notifications

          • Anonymous

            Simple they are not married an if you do not know the diffrence then thats not my fault

          • Anonymous

            I’m afraid I can show you where anti-gays get their lies, the Southern Poverty Law Center documents that here:

            http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2010/winter/the-hard-liners

            “Even as some well-known anti-gay groups like Focus on the Family
            moderate their views, a hard core of smaller groups, most of them
            religiously motivated, have continued to pump out demonizing propaganda aimed at homosexuals and other sexual minorities. These groups’ influence reaches far beyond what their size would suggest, because the “facts” they disseminate about homosexuality
            are often amplified by certain politicians, other groups and even news
            organizations. Of the 18 groups profiled below, the Southern Poverty Law
            Center (SPLC) will be listing 13 next year as hate groups, reflecting
            further research into their views; those are each marked with an
            asterisk. Generally, the SPLC’s listings of these groups is based on their propagation of known falsehoods
            — claims about LGBT people that have been thoroughly discredited by
            scientific authorities — and repeated, groundless name-calling. Viewing
            homosexuality as unbiblical does not qualify organizations for listing
            as hate groups.

    • Anonymous

      No, LGBT Americans DO NOT have the SAME right to legal marriage as mixed-sex couples do.  The Iowa State Supreme Court unanimously established marriage equality in April 2009, and this is their answer to “You have the same right to marry someone of the opposite sex as anyone else”:

      “It is true the marriage statute does not expressly prohibit gay and lesbian persons from marrying; it does, however, require that if they marry, it must be to someone of the opposite sex. Viewed in the complete context of marriage, including intimacy, civil marriage with a person of the opposite sex is as unappealing to a gay or lesbian person as civil marriage with a person of the same sex is to a heterosexual. Thus, the right of a gay or lesbian person under the marriage statute to enter into a civil marriage only with a person of the opposite sex is no right at all. Under such a law, gay or lesbian individuals cannot simultaneously fulfill their deeply felt need for a committed personal relationship, as influenced by their sexual orientation, and gain the civil status and attendant benefits granted by the statute. Instead, a gay or lesbian person can only gain the same rights under the statute as a heterosexual person by negating the very trait that defines gay and lesbian people as a class-their sexual orientation.”

      http://www.iowacourtsonline.org/Supreme_Court/Varnum_v_Brien/Supreme_Court_Ruling/

  • Anonymous

    If I have a true love relationship with an alreadymarried woman, are you going to try and “hurt” us too by not letting us tie the knot?  Why should we have to wait until she’s divorced? That could take a long time.  And we just want the same rights she has now.  Sounds remarkably like the SSM arguments, and equally wrong.

    • Anonymous

      Anti-gays are the only ones promoting polygamy.  Sorry, we aren’t going to help you abuse women.

  • Anonymous

    Or we could all vote for Obama, and continue adding millions of Americans to the unemployment line and food stamps.  And while we’re at it, we could leave four Americans working directly for us in harm’s way, and watch them die even after multiple requests have been made to send support.  And then lie – yes lie – to everyone about what caused the attack in the first place, even though 2 hours into it, we knew exactly what was happening. Yeah – I think I’ll vote for the liar and the financially stupid status quo.  It makes me feel so good to have a black man in office, nothing else matters.

    • Anonymous

      Your pal Willard that wants to use the White House to make himself richer won’t help you HURT gay and lesbian Americans, he will be too busy helping himself to the US Treasury.  Willard got on satellite TV SIX HOURS before the Ambassador was killed and riled up the terrorists.  No use pretending Willard didn’t make the situation worse just by shooting off his BIG FAT MOUTH.

  • Anonymous

    THERE IS NO MORE ROOM IN THIS WORLD FOR HATE NO MATTER WHAT SIDE OF THIS ISSUE YOU ARE ON.

    • Anonymous

      Please shout that to the only ones who are trying to HURT Mainers, the anti-gays.  Those in favor of equality are NOT being hateful when we answer anti-gay LIES with FACTS. 

      • Anonymous

        You really can’t acknowledge that there are some gay rights activists that spew hate towards those who don’t share their point of view? There are people on both sides of this issue who promote hate and violence. Did you read some of the posts from gay activists against treworgys orchards? Some people on both sides were civil…some people on both sides made hate filled posts. See the whole picture here and not just what you want to see. There are those on BOTH sides of this issue promoting hate.

        • Anonymous

          I haven’t read the Facebook posts, I don’t do Facebook.  How do you know that it wasn’t anti-gays just trying to make pro-equality people LOOK hateful?  Anti-gays lie constantly, as you will see when you read the comments here, because we can PROVE their lies are lies, complete with website addresses so everyone can confirm anti-gays lied.

          But why shouldn’t pro-equality Americans be ANGRY at anti-gays?  Anti-gays aren’t just trying to HURT loving, committed same gender American couples, anti-gays are also trying to SUBVERT, or overthrow, the US Constitution’s guarantee of “Equal Protection Under the Law” as well as the Freedom Of Religion of the many major Christian and Jewish denominations that WANT to marry same gender American couples right now.

          The real deal is anti-gays are just WHINING that their intended VICTIMS are “the real haters,” but each and every REAL American SHOULD BE ANGRY at anti-gays for trying to TRASH our Constitution.

  • Its not so much as a religous choice as it is the definition of marriage! Marriage has NEVER been defined as a union between two men or two women!

    • Tedlick Badkey

      But it has indeed changed many times, and will change again.

      What rational argument for you have for not redefining marriage? What benefit comes from not giving gay couples equal protection under the law?

      • Anonymous

        Get a clue, Mr. Peters, some 22 miles from Maine is the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, which has defined marriage as being for loving, committed same gender couples as well as mixed-sex couples since 2004.  There’s just no point in your whining that the truth isn’t true.  Anti-gays are simply not connected to reality.

  • Anonymous

    We should adopt the Canadian campaigning policies and only allow 6 weeks. I’m talking for everything from town officials all the way up through to the President. Same should go for public referendums as well.

    •  im all for that  an if they lie all there adds should be taken off the tv an papers an if they slander some one they should be sued an bared from running for any office

      • Anonymous

        That would mean anti-gays could never run any ads, because as either the BDN or the PPH documented, the anti-gay ads are filled with LIES.

  • Anonymous

    Publicly oppose the homosexual agenda and sit back and watch the haters come out from under their rocks. Happens every time.

    • Tedlick Badkey

      What, exactly, is the “homosexual agenda”?

      • Anonymous

        Equality.  Nothing more, and nothing (second-class marriage in the form of worthless “civil unions) less.

        • Tedlick Badkey

          I kinda wanted the other guys to answer.

          • Anonymous

            Yes, but anti-gays would just tell more LIES anyhow.

    • Anonymous

      How many times are anti-gays going to WHINE that their intended VICTIMS are “the real haters”?

  • Anonymous

    The United States Constitution guarantees and requires US States to uphold “Equal Protection Under the Law.”  Anti-gays seek to SUBVERT the Constitution by voting to deny loving, committed same gender Mainer couples the same right to legal marriage that mixed-sex couples take for granted.  Anti-gays also seek to subvert Freedom Of Religion of the many major Christian and Jewish denominations that WANT to marry same gender American couples.

    Sad to say, the anti-gay agenda is to destroy the Constitution and everyone’s freedom and equality. 

  •  It’s not that they are hateful it just that they do not want to know the truth an they are to lazy to search for the  truth. There brains are wired one way an need to be rewired

    • Anonymous

      Psychologists identified homophobia as a mental illness and published their results in the Journal of the National Institutes of Health in 1953.  Psychologists report that the most commonly observed symptom of the mental disorder homophobia is an inability of those so afflicted to accept documentation that contradicts their deep-seated phobia and hatred of LGBT Americans.

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