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  • Anonymous

    I wonder how many Hail Mary’s that vote will cost.

    • Anonymous

      there are not enough Hail Mary’s for these people, who do not speak for the Catholic Church.

      • Anonymous

        and certainly not enough hail Mary’s or hail Larry’s for the catholic church who do not speak for god (but just like to think they do- and they do it badly.)

      • Anonymous

        Exactly, as the bishop knows that the majority of married catholic women use birth control too.  Once he starts talking about violating church teaching, he knows he’s on very thin ice.

  • Anonymous

    But pedophilia is AOK?

    • Anonymous

      find a new drum to beat

      • Anonymous

        Why?

        • Anonymous

           Because statistics from insurance companies show that Protestant clergy are even bigger offenders than Catholic clergy.
          And, shall we talk about public school teachers?

          • Anonymous

            Please share your stats and include a link.

          • Anonymous

             The Protestant Clergy Sex Abuse Pattern

            http://www.huffingtonpost.com/valerie-tarico/the-protestant-clergy-sex_b_740853.html

            The three companies that insure the majority of Protestant churches in
            America say they typically receive upward of 260 reports each year of
            young people under 18 being sexually abused by clergy, church staff,
            volunteers or congregation members.
            http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19235150/ns/us_news-life/t/insurer-data-sketch-protestant-clergy-sex-abuse/#.UImANIbkqWM

            Protestant Clergy Abuse Equals or Exceeds Catholic Clergy Abuse
            http://dannimoss.wordpress.com/2008/06/20/protestant-clergy-abuse-equals-or-exceeds-catholic-clergy-abuse/

            Sexual Abuse of Minors in Protestant Churches
            http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,286153,00.html

          • Anonymous

            That proves that ALL religions are just a bunch of hypocrites.

          • Anonymous

             It proves that there are evil people in every subset of society…including the gay community.

          • Anonymous

            There ARE evil people in every subset of society.  Who is saying that gays are any different.  We are talking about giving a minority, oppressed group the same civil rights as the rest of the population.  End of story.

          • Anonymous

            Always looking to demean, demonize and dehumanize LGBT Americans, huh, john? 

          • Anonymous

            So, because other organizations do it, it’s ok?  Is that what you are trying to say?

          • Anonymous

            We don’t condemn whole groups of people for what a small per-centage do. We don’t condemn all football coaches, teachers, priests, ministers, youth counselors, bus drivers, etc. for what some of them have done. Look at what happened with the boy scouts. Cover-ups happen to shield reputations of those aligned with the guilty. None of it is right, but it happens.

            The problem is that when it concerned the Catholic church even though there are more good priests than pedophiles in the priesthood, people are quick to be unforgiving for what happened. At some point, people must let go of the notion that the Catholic church is evil and every other denomination or every one who does not believe in a supreme being is good.

            Sick people/adults are among us regardless of the career they hide behind.

            As for the government, it has too much power over the people. Get rid of the marriage laws and allow for domestic partnerships/civil unions which give partners rights. Allow religion to perform the marriages if a couple is so inclined.

            This referendum should be one of getting marriage out of the hands of government.

          • Anonymous

            No one is arguing that we should deprive mixed-sex couples of the protections of legal marriage.  This is ALL ABOUT anti-gays trying to HURT loving, committed same gender Mainer couples.

          • Anonymous

            Exactly a point I made earlier in other entries.  If you are so concerned about gay men and gay marriage as a way to harm young boys, then we should IMMEDIATELY pass legislation OUTLAWING the hiring of any heterosexual men to teach in public schools as GOD KNOWS they only want to have their way with our young daughters… it’s in their genes…

          • Anonymous

             It seems that heterosexual female teachers are the ones dominating the headlines these days.

          • Anonymous

            Ok, so we pass a law that FORBIDS female heterosexual teachers from teaching our young boys because we KNOW they are going after our sons!  SO now where does that leave us for teachers?

          • Anonymous

             the headlines on which planet?

        • Anonymous

          Because schmidlap would prefer if everyone forgot how the church covered up child abuse.

  • Anonymous

    I guess you will just have to forgive us, Bishop.

  • Anonymous

    If the Catholic Church is going to preach politics it’s time they start paying taxes!

    • Anonymous

      Exactly!  The vote to (finally) give equal Rights to all Americans has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with the promise of civil equality guaranteed in the US Constitution.

      • EB

        It’s called a “Civil” Union. That covers equality does it not? I’m not religious one damn bit but “marriage” is religious. What ever happend to the seperation of church and state? I really don’t have an opinion honestly. If gays want to get married I’m 100% fine with it but I would like the Pope to approve of it first. Why do so many people even complain to the government about this issue? Go protest at the Pope’s door. Most politicians are religious. Satisfy the Pope I’m sure you can satisfy them.

        • Anonymous

          Except it isn’t.  This matter is in regards to “Civil” marriage.  Marriage has taken on a legal definition.  Also, why would the pope need to approve of any marriage?  No religion owns the term marriage.

        • Anonymous

          If “marriage” (as you say) is religious, than how can I in my capacity of a Notary Public marry two legal, consenting adults? And why does the State require a license?

          • Anonymous

            Not to mention, how is it atheists can get married if marriage is “religious”?

          • Anonymous

             If the ‘bishop’ in the picture were wearing street clothes and unfold his crossed hands, he would look like any other standard issue homophobic conservative tea-party type.  Who cares what this guy thinks.  After the election his opinion will be irrelevant, sort of like the Catholic Church.

          • EB

            Because government gives you the authority to. Because there is no seperation between Chruch and State on this issue…

          • Anonymous

            You don’t seem to be connected to the facts here, EB.  NO church is needed for a marriage.  We get marriage licenses from the state, and we get divorce from the state.

          • Anonymous

            You keep telling yourself that … because no one else will.

          • Anonymous

            Lets start all over again:  you do not need church or religion to get married in the United States.  This country is not a theocracy and never will be.

            There all done now.

          • It was founded on faith…read

          • Anonymous

            Read?  Ok.

            “As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion” – Treaty of Tripoli, 1797

          • Anonymous

            Can you tell me why “In God We Trust” is on every U.S. currency? By the why marriage + family starts with a man and a woman. Always was and always will be period.

          • Anonymous

            Because of the Red Scare in the 50’s.  By the way, people have different definitions of what makes a family.  You are in no place to say one is better than the other.  Period.

          • It was added in the 50’s just as under god was added to the pledge.

          • Alec Cunningham

            It’s almost as if the USA should have stopped in 1953 and remained exactly as it was forever…
            Oh-there are families right now, all over the world, that are not 1 man + 1 woman.  There are many types of families that can exist and they exist everywhere, even, already, in Maine.

          • Anonymous

             don’t know much about marriage in the bible, eh?

            crack open the O.T. you’d be amazed at how it was defined back then.

            Hint: one man one woman is not the official trademarked with God way marriage has always been, as you so ignorantly describe it…

          • Anonymous

            Who’s God? Christian, Moslim, Buddhist, Mormon?  Maybe all of them?

          • Christians and Muslims worship the same God. Allah is translated into God just like Abraham is the father of the Christianity, Islam, and Judaism. Most Christians won’t acknowledge it. This issue of gay marriage needs to take a back burner as many other important topics, like unemployment, starvation, etc are being ignored to fight or support this.  

          • Do you even know what that treaty was about? when did we get our freedoms from a treaty..duh ¡

          • Anonymous

            It’s not a law, its a statement that proves that america is not and never was a christian nation. If you want laws, then i suggest reading the constitution, specifically the first amendment which states that congreas will not make laws respecting a certain religion. Don’t like it? Repeal the first amendment. Until then, stop whining.

          • Anonymous

            The Treaty of Tripoli is a document that was negotiated with the Principality of Tripoli during the Washington Administration, that was signed by John Adams the 2nd President of the United States and one of our Founding Fathers, and was ratified unanimously and without controversy by the U.S. Senate (which, at that time, was full of our Founding Fathers).
            It, therefore, expresses the opinions of our Founding Fathers.  And it says, in part, that “the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion.”
            Our Founding Fathers put it in writing, they signed it, they ratified it, and I believe they knew what they said, and understood what they were talking about. 

          • Anonymous

            They kept church and state separate.  Where did you go to school?

          • And where do you find separation of church and state? cause its not in the constitution ! of of of again read dunce !

          • Anonymous

            The Supreme Court has upheld, multiple times, that the First Amendment means separation of church and state.  If you don’t like it, overturn all those rulings.

          • Anonymous

            And NEITHER IS THERE ANY LANGUAGE DETERMINING THAT THIS COUNTRY IS A THEOCRACY. By the way, great job of name calling to stress your point. Resorting to name calling in the midst of a debate is a clear sign that the debate is lost and the loser is of insufficient intellect to carry on.

          • Anonymous

            Please see my answer to Keith.

          • Anonymous

            Try Article 6!  If that doesn’t do it for you, try the First Amendment. Let me know if you need help finding it.

          • Anonymous

            Speaking of …

          • Anonymous

             The principle of the separation of church and state is found in these aspects of the Constitution:

            1) The Constitution never mentions God, Jesus, or Christianity.
            2) Article VI Paragraph 3 says “no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.”
            3) The oath for the president is religion-neutral, allowing the president to either “swear or affirm…”  Some religions object to “swearing” an oath, so the presidential oath offers a religion-neutral option (Article II Section 1 Paragraph 9)
            4) The bill of Rights to the Constitution begins with Amendment 1, which begins: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof…”

            Thomas Jefferson, the principle author of the Decaration of Independence, said that these four Constitutional principles had established “a wall of separation between church and state.”
            James Madison, “the Father of the Constitution,” said that they established “a complete separation of all things governmental and ecclesiastical.”

            5) Amendment XIV, passed after the Civil War, says “No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States” — thus extending to the states the prohibition (previously only regarding Congress) of establishing any religion.

            All of these Constitutional statements, put together, establish the separation of church and state under the Constitution. 
            This is the law of our nation.  You should have learned this in high school.

          • Anonymous

            Great post, but people like Keith Colby refuse to accept reality…

          • It’s in the Bill of Rights, which most people connect the two as one.  The purpose of starting America was to keep the govt out of the church which even in hetero marriages they aren’t. I say abolish marriage from the govt and grant domestic partner licenses between adults and people can unofficially call it what they want. 

          • Anonymous

            It was founded by people trying to escape “faith.”

          • Wrong ! read…come on federalist papers..constitution ..history

          • Anonymous

            Wrong! Treaty of Tripoli states that “As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion”

          • Wrong again

          • Anonymous

            Correct.  the Treaty of Tripoli is a document from our Founding Fathers who negotiated it, signed it and ratified it.  They said what they meant:  “…the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion.”

          • Anonymous

            One third of the signers of the Constitution were Freemasons.  How many christian symbols do you see on the U.S. Dollar?  The founding fathers went out of their way to keep religion out of the government.

          • Anonymous

            Okay, time to hang it up, folks.  He wants to stay in the confines of his narrow mind and nobody’s going to inflict facts on him.  Nobody.

          • Anonymous

            No, you’re wrong.  Continually.  If this is what your proposed but fortunately non-existent theocracy will look like, I guess we know how to vote.

          • *Escape of government mandated religion* 

          • Anonymous

            The first Europeans came to the Americas looking for a trade route to India and the Indies — that’s why they mistakenly called the indigenous people “Indians.”
            The Spanish came here looking for gold.  The French were looking for fish and beaver pelts.
            The first Englishmen settled in Jamestown, Virginia, in 1607, and they were also looking for gold and a route to the Indies.  They found tobacco, which made their colony economically viable. 
            In 1618 hey began purchasing kidnapped Africans to be their slaves and pick their tobacco.
            Then came the Pilgrims in 1620, and the Puritans who came to Boston and Salem in 1630.  They wanted religious freedom for themselves, but not for Catholics, Quakers, Baptists, or others.
            Out of necessity, we gradually began to tolerate one another’s religions.
            The American Revolution began in 1775 as a struggle for “the rights of Englishmen.”
            In 1776 we issued the Declaration of Independence which said our rights come from  “Nature and Nature’s God,” a Deist (not biblical) phrase.  The Deists, religious liberals (like Franklin, Jefferson, Madison, and most of the rest of the Founding Fathers) tended to doubt the divinity of Jesus and the authority of the Bible.
            The U.S. Constitution never mentions God, Jesus, or Christianity.  It says there shall be no religious test for holding office under the Constitution, and that Congress shall neither establish any religion nor interfere with the free exercise of religion.

            So — our nation was founded 1st) on a desire to get rich, and 2nd) on a desire to protect our own religious liberties — and, later, everyone’s religious liberties, including people who have no religion.

          • Anonymous

            If it wasa founded on any faith, it was the Free Masonry!

          • Anonymous

            Nope.  Again.  Stop beating a dead horse.

          • Anonymous

            Marriage is as religious as the folks at Protect Marriage Maine are honest.

          • Anonymous

            Holy CRAP Batman, did you just read what you wrote????????

        • Anonymous

          Why not get marriage out of the government’s hands/laws/regulations? Have domestic partnerships or civil unions to take care of legal brou-ha-ha. Then if a couple wants to marry in a religious ceremony with their clergy performing the rite—so be it. The whole issue of equality is nonsense when the law is wrong. Roles in society have changed and rather than redefine marriage—get it out of government dominion and hand it back to religions.

          • EB

            Well said!

          • Anonymous

            So you get off on the thought that loving, committed same gender American couples will be again separated from each other when one goes into the hospital also?  Do you like ripping the wings off of butterflies too?  How about drowning kittens?

          • Anonymous

            LGBT Americans said some 20 years ago that if ALL Americans had civil unions–the SAME civil unions for mixed sex couples as well as same sex–and with all the rights that legal marriage has now–we would be AOK with that.

            But anti-gays would have NONE of that.  Most of their dirty anti-gay Hate Votes they like to crow about say loving, committed same sex American couples may have NO legal recognition.

            That’s how same sex couples are barred from visiting each other in hospitals.  Romney says he would bar such hospital visits if elected.

          • Anonymous

            I didn’t hear Romney say anything like that. Getting government intrusion out of our lives is the answer to a lot of the crap going around. While passing through MA yesterday, I heard a lot of talk about how Romney would take birth control away. Hey, I didn’t hear that either. Let’s not attribute anything to either candidate. Let’s do the right thing and limit government interference.

            Let civil unions prevail in terms of legal status for whatever rights exist to couples wanting to sign up for that kind of protection. Let religions do their own thing.

            Whenever the government is involved, things go wrong. States rights are important—when you travel all over this country, one realizes how wrong it is to allow centers with greater populations dictate federal policy. People in Maine, California, New York state, New York city require different things—one size does not fit all. When it comes to the House of Reps, the bigger populated places get the most say. 

          • Anonymous

            “Governor Romney also believes, consistent with the 10th Amendment,
            that it should be left to states to decide whether to grant same-sex
            couples certain benefits, such as hospital visitation rights and the
            ability to adopt children” – Bay Buchanan, a Romney spokesperson.  So, Romney himself won’t bar same sex visitation rights, but he would let states decide if a same sex partner gets to visit his or her spouse in the hospital.

          • Anonymous

            nothing wrong with state’s rights

          • Anonymous

            So you woudn’t have a problem with the state voting to bar you from visiting your loved on in the hospital, just because you are both the same gender?

          • Anonymous

            I have a problem with you trying to change my words. Get the government out of marriage–plain and simple ! I don’t care who wants a civil union/domestic partnership in order to gain the same rights as everyone else is entitled to with that kind of union. Religion would then take care of the religious aspect of marriage. You can believe whatever you want but don’t try to tell me what to think or how to think. Don’t try to change my words to suit yourself. It does not work on most intelligent people. Give yourself a rest.

          • Anonymous

            Except you said “nothing wrong with states rights’ in response to Romney spokeperson saying he would allow states to decide if same sex couples get visitation rights.  If I misinterpreted, I apologize, but your post made is seem like you were completely fine with the idea of states voting on whether or not same sex couples can visit loved ones in the hospital.

          • Anonymous

            I can see why you don’t want to accept responsibility for trying to separate loving, committed same gender American couples when one goes into the hospital, but that’s just what you endorsed by insisting that the “Equal Protection” clause of the US Constitution doesn’t apply to LGBT Americans.

          • Anonymous

            Get the church out of signing legal wedding documents — plain and simple.
            Let the state do the legal part.  Let the church do the spiritual part.
            Let the government be the government, and let the church be the church.
            Don’t have priests sign a government marriage license. 
            Let the clerk or registrar at Town Hall or City Hall do the legal part.
            Have the church or synagogue do only the religious/spiritual part — they can “bless” the marriage, and do a “church wedding” (if they wish) after the legal documents are signed at the Town Hall.

          • Anonymous

            All you have to do is include your lover on ALL your records as being the contact person. It’s that hard.

          • Anonymous

            Sure, if you are lucky enough to be in a hospital that will actually follow the paperwork AND you always have that paperwork with you.  As opposed to an opposite sex couples who would only need to say “We’re married” to be able to visit.

          • Anonymous

            Have you really ever visited anyone in the hospital?  Have you ever visited a dying patient?  WEll, I have many times.  I was never asked my relationship to the patient.  Is this really about visitation rights?  Is this more about some type of financial gain for yourself?  

          • Anonymous

            I’ve had friends denied visitation rights because they were a same sex partner.  Is heterosexual marriage about some sort of financial gain?

          • Anonymous

            Something is VERY WRONG with trying to separate loving, committed same gender American couples when one is in the hospital.

          • Anonymous

            Something is very wrong by your insistence that your cannot figure out why the government needs to get out of the marriage laws and get into domestic partnerships or civil unions. Let religion get into marriage. Without those marriage laws no one would be separated. States rights are important. Try going through my posts to figure out why you can’t understand anything anyone else but you has to say. Get rid of marriage in the civil sense and there would be no problem for anyone who wants to marry in their religion whatever it may be.

          • Anonymous

            Get the church out of signing government documents — let the church be the church, and let the government be the government.
            Get the church out of the legal part — do that at City Hall.  Then let the church do the spiritual part, if they wish. 
            Let the church be the church.  Let the government be the government.

          • Anonymous

            Carrotcake  is a big baby and if you don’t go along with everything he says, how he says it, he changes what you say into something else. He’s hoping people will only read his post and not see who wrote what to get him to bash his head on the floor and come up with things not said.
            Go along with him sometime and see how quick he forgets who he’s had a temper tantrum at.

          • Anonymous

            All you have to do is include your lover on all your records. If their or your family has a problem don’t include them, it’s that difficult.

          • Anonymous

            Sometimes, yes, sometimes no.  Closet CSA citizen are you?

          • Anonymous

            But he thinks a woman whose been brutally beaten and raped and gets pregant should carry the devils spawn in her.
            Theres something wrong with him.

          • Anonymous

            Disaster.

          • sassyfrazz

            I agree.  Let’s pull government out of ALL marriages. 

            Of course, this will mean that we traditionally-married people will also have to give up spousal tax dedutions and any other benefit that traditionally-married people get.

          • Anonymous

            I have no problem with giving up benefits  like tax deductions for married couples. Isn’t it discriminatory to tax some people higher than others? In many states, singles must pay a larger percentage in state income taxes than married couples. If we get the government out of marriage, then everyone gets to pay at the same rate. Would losing those benefits be a problem for you?

          • Anonymous

            “I have no problem with giving up benefits  like tax deductions for married couples.”

            Because you know that will NEVER HAPPEN.

          • Anonymous

            No, they have too broad a constituency for that! But maybe the only deductions SHOULD be for minor dependents, which are already available to anyone with children, married or not. But no, never going to happen–and it’s a little off-topic, since the benefits DO exist, and the question is a matter of equal protection and access for those existing benefits.

          • Anonymous

            You can’t pull the government out of legal matters — they ARE the legal entity.
            Get the church out of the legal matters.  All marriages should be civil.  The priest or pastor or rabbi should not act as an agent of the government by signing legal wedding documents.
            Have a short legal ceremony at the Town Hall or City Hall, like it is done in Europe.  Sign the legal documents there.
            Then, if the couple wishes, and if the church wishes, they can go to a church or synagogue and have a “church wedding” or a “blessing of the marriage.”  But the priest, pastor, or rabbi shouldn’t sign any legal documents.
            That way the government does the legal part, and the church does the spiritual part.
            Let the government be the government and let the church be the church.  Don’t turn the church into the government by having the church sign the legal wedding documents (as they do now). 
            Get the church out of the legal part of weddings — and let them do only the spiritual/religious part.

          • Anonymous

            Unlike you, we don”t advocate the gamble …

          • Anonymous

             You seem to harbor quite a bit of hate yourself.

          • Anonymous

            Anti-gays always sink to making such personal attacks when they are angry we caught them lying again.

          • Anonymous

            Exactly where and to whom did Romney say he would bar same sex hospital visits?  Especially since he has nothing to do with that?  Okay, carrotcakeman?  Town?  Date?  Group?

          • Anonymous

            carrotcakeman exaggerated his claim, however, a Romeny spokeperson stated “Governor Romney also believes, consistent with the 10th Amendment,
            that it should be left to states to decide whether to grant same-sex
            couples certain benefits, such as hospital visitation rights and the
            ability to adopt children”  So, he personally wouldn’t bar same sex hospital visits, but he would let people vote on whether or not same sex couples can have hospital visitation rights.

          • sassyfrazz

            So the state should be the one to disperse social security survivor benefits, give tax deductions for federal taxes, and partake of any federal benefits allowed to traditionally married couples?

            There are many same sex couples out there who have been committed to one another for decades.  What federal benefits – they paid into btw- (that traditionally married people get) do they get when their partner dies? 

            *insert crickets chirping here_______

          • Anonymous

            I didn’t say otherwise.  I was posting a quote to confirm that Romney does in fact think that visitation rights should be decided by the state.

          • sassyfrazz

            So noted. I think the state and feds need to line up their rules though or the states will be dinged for not following federal “rules.”

          • Anonymous

            you are off the mark, carrotcakehead. What we want is not to redefine the definition of marriage…it is  a man and a woman….period. Come up with a different word.  I think anyone can visit someone in the hospital, same sex or hetero sexual. You sure like to spew the venom, your comments are pretty hateful to those that support marriage as one man and one woman. 

          • Anonymous

            No, you don’t own the term marriage.  Deal with it.

          • Anonymous

            we used to own the word “gay”….now look at it’s connotation  

          • Anonymous

            see below scintilatte’s comment

          • Anonymous

            About what?

          • Anonymous

            You’re right.  The meanings of words change.  Glad you admitted that.

          • Alec Cunningham

            Yeah, it’s awful that people use it to mean “stupid” or “lame.”

            But that’s the nature of English-it is always and forever changing, just like society.

          • Anonymous

            what about the rainbow. It was a symbol of God’s covenant with Noah.  Now it is a symbol of “diversity.”

          • Anonymous

            I guess you probably also think that  a bisexuals should be able to marry someone of the same sex as well as someone of the opposite sex?  Do you understand what a demented road this could lead to?  You could have a SSM and a Hetero marriage, wouldn’t that be the only fair thing to do to be all inclusive to the GLBSTG community? What about the man boy love people like the fake Bob Carlson.  We just might have to redefine adult so that we can cater to all of the types of sexual preferences.  While we redefine marriage we might have to redefine adult and also call marriage something else to appease the bisexual community , we cannot exclude anyone and we need to be tolerant right?

          • Anonymous

            We aren’t talking about polygamy, we’re talking about same sex marriage.  Please try to keep on topic.  Besides, you clearly have no idea about what it means to be bisexual.  It doesn’t mean that you want a partner of each sex, it just means that you are attracted to each sex.  Learn a bit about what you are talking about before you make a bigger fool of yourself.

          • Anonymous

            We are not talking about pedophilia.  Everybody’s against that.  We aren’t discussing polygamy (also known as “traditional biblical marriage”).
            We are discussing whether same-sex couples should be treated farily and equally under the law.  I think all adults should have the same freedoms that my wife and I have.

          • Anonymous

            Absolutely not.  You are revealing your ignorance once again.  If someone’s gay partner is hospitalized, the hospital can’t even reveal whether their partner is in the hospital to them if they aren’t a family member.  ANd blood relatives, who might be opposed to their gay or lesbian partner, could instruct the hospital to REFUSE to release information to them, particularly where a partner is unconscious or unable to make their desires for contact known.    Now that sounds fair, doesn’t it?

          • Anonymous

            All you have to do is include in ALL your records who is allowed information before you get your self unconscious. And who has no say in your care.
            If your bio family has a problem with your relationship, set them straight before you become unconscious.
            If you don’t include your blood relatives, they don’t get info either. This applies to everyone no matter what type of lifestyle you live, but get it in your records before you become unconscious, like today, it’s that difficult.

          • Anonymous

            OH, and don’t forget to CARRY that list anywhere you go–on vacation, swimming, out jogging, and of course, that is something that STRAIGHT COUPLES NEVER have to do.  Get real.

          • Anonymous

            Since my hetro partner and I  are not married, it is in all our records they we are the contact person. Last year when I slipped and broke a couple of bones and needed surgery,I forgot to add my parents name and they couldn’t even get a nod and wink.
             Yes you can add your partner and we have a notarized letter saying the same and  YES we do carry copies of our medical records, on a small slim disc.
             If your going to act like a child, then you should remember children aren’t allowed to get married and you shouldn’t be posting here. No one carries “things” on them when they go swimming.
            It’s you who needs to get honest. because your trying to imply people of the same sex cannot have any knowledge of each other and thats not so.

          • Anonymous

            “Since my hetro partner and I” – There’s the key difference.

          • Anonymous

            You just made my point.  I know of NO ONE but you who carries a “small slim disc” with them at all times.  And of course, it is UNHEARD of that anyone should become injured or hurt while swimming or diving, right???  So you just made my point. 
            The truth is that you ARE in a hetero partnership and and you COULD CHOOSE to avail yourself of marriage, which would allow you to have access to your unconscious spouse if hospitalized WITHOUT QUESTION.  The fact that you don’t get married doesn’t mean a damn thing to gay couples, who CAN’T be married even if they want to.  It’s a false and childish argument.

          • Anonymous

            In the opinion of the Catholic church in which I grew up, you and your hetro partner are “living in sin.”  In many countries in Europe, a couple gets married at “city hall” first.  Legally, they are now married and entitled to all the benefits that go with being married, such as having sexual relations.  However, the Catholic church does not consider the couple to be married, and therefore are not granted the privilege of consumating the marriage, until they have been married in the church by a priest.  That is the way it used to be.  I don’t know if that still holds true.  So how can it be said, by the Catholic church,  that same sex couples are “living in sin,” when so many hetro couples are also, according to the Catholic Church’s dictates, living in sin.  I don’t hear anyone complain about or dispute that.

          • Alec Cunningham

            Is your hetero partner the same sex as you?

          • Anonymous

            Speaking of childish …

          • Anonymous

            amen

          • Alec Cunningham

            Yes, it’s so easy to pay the lawyer to draw up papers that cover every conceivable possibility.  And then carry it with you always.  And then hope that the papers are followed, like, for instance, that the hospital doesn’t choose to ignore it because no matter what those legal papers say, we wouldn’t be “family.”  How much easier, though, to just pay the $40 for that one legal document that already covers everything in the state.

          • Anonymous

             Anyone can download basic legal papers to take care of these things.  There is no need to hire a lawyer unless you have lots of assets or want very complicated terms.  I have done it more than once, including revising my will every few years as assets and other things have changed.  Didn’t cost a penny.  My credit union even dies the notarizing for free.  And even my wife and I have drawn up those legal papers.  If you think just getting married covers you for these things then I’ve got a bridge you might be interested in. 

            By the way, things used to be simpler before the government passed laws to “help” us.  Especially regarding the hospital issue.  Originally these laws were pushed by people who wanted to make sure they had a way to exclude family members from interfering with their medical issues, etc.

          • Anonymous

            power of attorney?

          • Anonymous

            Straighten out the family issue, thats between you, your lover and your families not the public.
            I don’t see my gay neigbors having any of these problems, I have to wonder why it’s just the people posting here that  do and furthermore married couples have the same issues, their spouses family have had them denied visiting, getting information too because the family didn’t approve of the marriage. No one carries their marriage license with them either so whose to say whose married or not.

          • Anonymous

            “Straighten out the family issue,” – Spoken like someone who’se never had to deal with a homophobic family.

          • Anonymous

            No I do not have a homophobic family but if I was gay my parents and most of my siblings wouldn’t accept it and I’d be banished from their kingdom.
            As it is they would not accept my pard and the fact I refuse to do the
            marriage thing. They relented to allow me to come for holidays because
            of my kids but not my pard. I’m ok with that I’m ok it’s their belief and home
            I just don’t do holidays at their house, they have to come to mine if they are of mind to.
            Yep I could marry and change that but I’m not going to . I’m not forcing them to
            accept my life style no hard feelings from me I knew how they felt. I refuse to be pidgeon holed.

          • Anonymous

            Sure, I agree.  Eliminate ALL benefits from marriage–the ability with a marriage license to inherit property without a will, to visit your spouse in the hospital without a living will or durable power of attorney, the ability to sue for wrongful death, to collect social security death benefits, ALL of them for everyone, let everyone work it out “in the family” and I’ll agree to drop my efforts for gay marriage.  Deal.

          • Anonymous

            Keep in mind schmidlap you may be dealing with many posters from an organized national group and each could be posting under various email accounts. Comment pages are not limited to Maine p0sters.

          • Anonymous

            thanks for the reminder, amiyalouise….guess they are called trolls for a reason!  I cannot give too much of myself to this as I have a life to lead….

          • Anonymous

            Anti-gays routinely do that.

          • Anonymous

            Oh, like NOM, EJP, etc.?

          • Anonymous

            Well, yes, schmidlap, we know a tiny minority don’t want EQUAL PROTECTION UNDER THE LAW, but what this tiny minority of anti-gays is going to have to accept is that they will fail to overthrow the Constitution.

            And spare us that typical anti-gay WHINE that your intended victims are “the real haters.”

          • Anonymous

            “I think anyone can visit someone in the hospital, same sex or hetero sexual.” Thanks for your opinion. Are you a lawyer? A judge? Even a parallegal that would indicate that you have some first hand knowlege or training in the matter? I doubt it. The FACT (not “I think” but F-A-C-T)  is that depending on the patient’s condition, visitation CAN BE LEGALLY LIMITED TO IMMEDIATE FAMILY ONLY. That precludes unmarried partners whether straight OR gay. Same holds true for same sex parents of children (spare me the argument on semantics, it’s IRRELEVANT TO THE DISCUSSION). Further, the mere act of getting married AUTOMATICALLY comes with 1100 federal benefits and rights currently reserved as privileges to opposite gender married couples. For gay couples to achieve even a small handful of those legal protections at both the state and federal level, it requires that they spend thousands of dollars hiring lawyers and generating paperwork and court orders.

          • Anonymous

             If you are in intensive care, the hospital can keep non family members out.

          • Anonymous

            not anymore, new federal regulation

          • Anonymous

            You want some different words?  Try these, from Steve Jobs: “Your time here is limited.  Don’t spend it trying to live someone else’s life.”

          • Anonymous

            What you think is apparently not very closely related to reality. Marriage is all about legal rights – the right of inheritance, insurance coverage, visitation rights, etc. Religious mummery “blessing” the union is frivolous at best, and completely unnecessary. The catholic church does not consider a marriage valid unless it is performed by a priest in a religious ceremony, yet my wife and I are in fact legally married – by a jewish JP – and the catholic church has nothing to say about it. The whole “separate but equal” argument was shot down by the Supreme Court in Brown vs Board of Education in 1954. This issue is identical.

          • Anonymous

            What gives you the authority to define marriage?

          • Anonymous

            Why not get marriage out of the church’s hands? 
            Legal documents, like marriage licenses, are a legal issue, not a religious issue.  My pastor should not be acting as an agent of the government by signing legal wedding documents.
            All legal marriages should be civil.  After the legal documents are signed, the couple can go to a church or synagogue and have their religion bless the marriage.  That takes the church out of the legal process, separating church and state (as they should be).
            So you can still have a church “wedding ceremony,” or “blessing of the marriage,” but the priest, pastor or rabbi would not be the person acting as an agent of the government by signing the legal documents. 
            The legal part would all be done at the town hall or city hall.  That’s how it is done in Europe.

          • Anonymous

            That would be fine by me, and Constitutional. But historically the same groups have come to oppose civil unions as well. That’s because it’s not really about the word “marriage” being used, it’s that these people don’t think that gays and lesbians can form the same committed, lifelong relationships. And that’s just ugly, inaccurate prejudice.

          • Anonymous

            No way, Jose.  It belongs in the “hands” of the government.  period.

        • Anonymous

          Authority over “marriage” was usurped by the Vatican, pure and simple. The term itself is derived from the Latin term maritus, which existed long before Catholicism. Marriage was and continues to be a civic institution, which is why the State has ultimate control.

          • Anonymous

            And also usurped by the conservative Protestants.

        • notateapartier

          Why give a certain population of the citizens of the US a second rate label for their relationship?
          The Pope has nothing to do with the way most people in the world live.  We are not all Catholics, and not everyone who wants to enter into marriage, gay or straight, is even religious. 
          It is a contract between two people and the state. If a couple wishes, they can involve clergy, but it is not necessary to do so.

          • Anonymous

            Neither does the Bishop, nor a Priest …

        • Anonymous

          Marriage is a legal union and has nothing to do with religion unless you want it to.  I was married in the Church but it was my choice. 

        • Anonymous

          EB, your answer is a FAIL! The “church” didn’t even get into the marriage business until the 1100’s and, even then only to bless civil marriages that had already been performed. For millenia, marriage has been, and still is, about property and inheritance rights. The “church” has simply usurped and co-opted marriage when it did the same thing for civil government. You claim that you are not religious, but then say you “would like the Pope to approve it first.” Catholics make up only about 50% of the “Christians” in the world, and the other 50% don’t recognize the pope as their leader, so where does the pope get the authority to make the decision for any other than his followers? Answer…he DOESN’T. Again, if the catholic church feels it’s their right and privilege to get involved in politics, then they have JUST FORFEITED  their tax exempt status. Budget problems solved….

        • Anonymous

          The official, legal term in the United States is civil marriage. That is what this is about— churches can already perform religious marriage ceremonies to same-sex couples if they want (and some churches do, and have for decades) but the civil marriage license is currently denied to same-sex couples in Maine. And that’s un-American!

          I am voting Yes on question 1 in November, because all Maine families deserve the opportunity to protect the lives they build together and the children they raise together.

        • Anonymous

          Why should anyone go to the Pope?  We keep reminding you that civil unions are usually non-existent and weak tea if available.  The only legal marriage license is issued by the state so therefore the only marriages legal are those with the license.

        • Anonymous

          How do you actually call marriage a religious thing?  Two Athiests can be married by a justice of the peace and they are STILL MARRIED, so where is the religion there?  Marriage is a word, nothing less, nothing more..its a word that describes two people that love each other that are willing to contractually tie themselves together.  It shouldnt matter if they are one man and one woman or two of the same sex.  It still means the same thing.  As for marriage being religous, not when you can have Captains of Ships, Justices of the Peace, and others perform them…Sorry but you are wrong on this one.

        • Anonymous

          Marriage is a legal contract.  Churches and synagogues  should not be involved in the legal part of thee marriage contract — priests, pastors, and rabbis should not be signing the legal documents.
          Let the government do the government’s part — the legal documents.
          Let the churches and synagogues do the religious part, the spiritual ceremony.
          Let the church be the church, and let the state be the state.  Get the church out of the legal entanglement of having a priest or pastor sign the legal wedding contract.
          All legal weddings should be civil.  Then, after a brief ceremony at the Town Hall, and the signing of the legal documents, the couple can go to the church and have a “church wedding” or a “blessing of the marriage.”
          Priest, pastors, and rabbis should not act as agents of the government by signing the legal documents.

      • Anonymous

         except for woman.  Yee forgets…Eight f’ng years of Ronald Reagan and we couldn’t get 2/3 of States to agree that women’s rights are equal to men’s.    

        • Anonymous

          Yes there is some validity to that.  I recall the time period you speak of quite well (1970 – 1980 or so) and I voted in favor of the Equal Rights Amendment.  Sadly many people, including a great many women, did not.  Imagine, had that gone through we wouldn’t be talking about marriage equality today, it would be a done deal.

    • Anonymous

      Well, you’d have to change the tax laws; at the moment there is no IRS restriction against religious organizations supporting legislation. The relevant IRS rules on political activity aren’t aimed at “churches” per se; they apply equally to all 501(c)3 organizations (most of which are secular) without distinction; as an example, the ASPCA can’t endorse a candidate they feel is better on animal welfare issues, but they can support laws to fund animal shelters and spaying/neutering programs. The same rules apply to churches, who are in the same tax category.

      If you want to change the law to single out churches for special restrictions you’ll need to go to Congress for that, but I don’t see that happening, and if it did I’m sure there would be legal challenges for years.

      • Anonymous

        You are partially correct.  Charitable Corporations, IRS 503c3s, may endorse an issue, but they may only use an extremely small percentage of their funds to do so.  Catholic bishops have made secret, illegal contributions to most of these anti-gay Hate Votes.  If the IRS were to audit them, something that has never been done, it’s extremely likely Catholic–and Mormon–leaders have far, far exceeded that tiny percentage.

        • Anonymous

          there you go again with the hate speech, carrottop….can’t you make a civil comment ?

          • Anonymous

            Only an anti-gay would falsely claim that my statement of fact was “hate speech.”  This shows how much anti-gays FEAR THE FACTS.

        • Anonymous

          Well, of course, they can’t do underhanded things to evade transparency, but that again would be true of any 501(c)3 group. I was just making the point that a lot of people seem to think the rules are there to “keep religion out of politics” in terms of the separation of church and state or something, when it’s actually an even-handed regulation of all included groups, religious or secular.

          And you’re right, the political activities of 501(c)3 groups are supposed to be an “insubstantial” portion of their total activities, and no group, religious or secular (as far as I know) has ever been closely looked at for violations of this rule, or lost their tax-exemption as a result–or for endorsing candidates for that matter. I suspect the IRS would rather avoid the whole issue, because of the reaction they’re afraid would result.

          • Anonymous

            I think the reaction today would be that a majority of Americans would support the IRS.

    • Anonymous

       When Planned Parenthood, the SPLC,  Jeremiah Wright’s House of Hate  and their ilk start paying, so will the Church

      • Anonymous

        Scrolling down, it looks like you have made about 1/2 the comments on this post so far.  Could you please stop?  Make your point, but without being so spastic, please.

        • Anonymous

           Not real big on freedom of speech, are you.?

          • Anonymous

            Oh that is the biggest load of crap I have seen on this site, and that is saying something.
            I was asking you nicely not to usurp the entire conversation and you are whining about freedom of speech?  Really?  Sad….really really sad.

          • Anonymous

             What you’re saying to me is, “Shut up.”  Who are you to limit my posts? 

          • Anonymous

            What I am saying to you is “be considerate”, but I guess that is not your thing.  As you were….

          • Anonymous

            Well, john IS driven to HURT other people, bradygirl2, we have no reason to think he will be “considerate” about the anti-gay hate speech he posts again and again.

          • Anonymous

             I was just thinking “shut up” is pretty appropriate here.

      • Anonymous

        Please document that the groups you’ve named above have made secret, illegal contributions, like we know the Catholic and Mormon leaders have done.

        • Anonymous

           Where are your links? And contributions to what, exactly?

          • Anonymous

            You’re the one who made the WILD CLAIM about Planned Parenthood, where are YOUR links?

      • Anonymous

        You are not making any sense.

      • Anonymous

         huh?  wha??

    • Anonymous

      Sounds like a hate crime against the Churches. He is stating his Faithful view.

    • Oh ! i get it…your dumb !

      • Anonymous

        YOU’RE dumb.

    • Anonymous

      The Catholic Church is preaching its tenets/doctrines…it just happens to be a political hot button at the moment.  These beliefs have not changed for anyone in centuries.

      • Anonymous

        Why can’t the take all the effort they are putting forth to hurt American citizens into actually helping people instead?  You know, feeding the hungry, clothing the poor, things Jesus actually said to do.

        • Anonymous

          They do

          • Anonymous

            And they could do so much more if they stopped trying to take away my rights.  That is what my post said.

          • Anonymous

            But they do that WITH TAXPAYER FUNDS.

    • sassyfrazz

      Can I get an “Amen!” brother? ;)~

    • Anonymous

      The Catholic church is preaching their doctrine, not politics…it just happens to be a political hot issue right now. 

    • Anonymous

      100% agree, Any Catholic who supports a redefinition of marriage — or so-called ‘same-sex marriage’ — is unfaithful to Catholic doctrine. How unfaithful to the Catholic doctrine was it to cover up the ravage on the innocent children done by the priests. Seems like the catholic church needs a lot of redefining in its doctrine. Those that live in glass houses ought not be throwing stones.

    • Anonymous

      I’d prefer they pay taxes and get fined too.  Heavily.  

      The entire foundation of our democracy relies on a separation of church and state.  Many Americans take the word of their religious leaders as the absolute truth, bar none.  So the minute The Church starts playing politics from the pulpit, it will be the Church, not the people, that is governing this country.

    • Anonymous

      funny they thought it was ok to bring diversity to lewiston??????????????/

    • Anonymous

      I don’t think the roman catholic religion has any grounds to dispute same sex marriage. I think their opposition of homosexuality is just a cover for a very hypocritical topic of their behalf. Let’s not forget recent history about what we know about the catholic priests. 

    • Anonymous

      If the deceptive group going by the title “Catholics for Marriage Equality”  wants to keep that title, they should be paying taxes!

    • I’m sorry, but if government is treading on religious values  and putting them up for a vote, where do you come off saying they have no rights to defend those values without paying a tax to the government?  The first Amendment is Religious Freedom and Freedom of Speech.  The Church shouldn’t’ t have to pay to defend and explain their teachings, especially when that government is attacking them.

  • Anonymous

    Isn’t raping children against catholic doctrine?

    • Anonymous

      I think making the Church look bad BY doing that is against catholic doctrine.

      • Anonymous

        LIKE!

  • Anonymous

    Yeah but covering up for all the catholic priest pedophiles clearly falls under the catholic church doctrine…….a lovely group of hypocrites.

    • Anonymous

      yes the catholic church needs to purge the gays from it’s ranks.

      • Anonymous

        Sigh….If you actually KNEW anything about what you were talking about someone might actually care about what you think…unfortunately it’s clear that you are nothing more than extremely uninformed and uneducated- but do play again.

  • Zombie Prep Network

    So let’s see, centuries of pedophilia and sexual abuse condoned and covered up with millions of victims – OK. Gay people getting some rights – bad. It’s all clear now.

    • Anonymous

       Name one right gay people don’t have. And don’t say marriage…nothing prevents them from marrying.

      • Anonymous

        Except, you know, the law.  But don’t let “reality” get in the way of your rant.

        • Anonymous

           What law? Show me where it says gay persons cannot marry. Robert Reed was married. So was Rock Hudson. So was Anthony Perkins.  Gay men all.

          • Anonymous

            Oh, I see, you’re trying to use the whole, ‘A gay man can marry a woman, hurr de durr” argument.  That same argument was used in the 1960’s against interracial marriage.  We all know how well that argument worked out.

          • Anonymous

             The false equivalence race and homosexuality gets you nowhere with the black community.

          • Anonymous

            Why?  You are using the same argument.  “Blacks have the same right to marriage, they can marry any black person they want” vs. “Gays have the same right to marriage, they can marry any person of the opposite sex they want’.  If you don’t want to be compared to the people against interracial marriage, then stop using their arguments and come up with your own.

          • Anonymous

             A person’s race is not their choice.

          • Anonymous

            1. Neither is their sexual orientation.

            2. Michael Jackson kinda proved that race is…

          • Anonymous

            Prove that homosexuality isn’t a choice. You can’t.
            BTW, did Michael Jackson alter his DNA?

          • Anonymous

            Well, I didn’t choose to be gay. But, for someone like you, that won’t be enough to convince you.  So, here’s an article about how pupil dilation was a predictor of sexual orientation:
            http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/08/120806084533.htm

            So, unless you want to tell me people choose to dilate their pupils, attraction is biological.

            “BTW, did Michael Jackson alter his DNA?” – No, he altered his skin color.  You can guess tell someone’s race by the color of their skin, not by looking at their DNA.

          • Anonymous

            Prove that it is  a choice.

          • Anonymous

            Hey, I’ll jump in…I’m gay and did not choose it.  Please explain to us how one could choose their sexual attractions?  Did you?  I’m guessing that you didn’t. 

            I don’t know why I’m attracted to persons of the same gender, but from experience I can certainly rule out having chosen it.  Seriously, how can a person choose which gender they are going to be attracted to?

            It’s just another absurd “fact” that the anti-gay crowd likes to toss out there to mislead people.  Sort of like the “special rights” jargon.  Your side sounds so desperate and clueless at times.

            And religious people wonder why they’re getting picked on.  Geez, you’re begging for it with your holier-than-thou attitude that tends to ignore reality.

          • Anonymous

            PROVE IT IS A CHOICE, john.

          • Anonymous

             OMG – you are really hopeless.  like someone would CHOOSE to limit themselves to 2-4% of the population for a potential mate.  yeah, sure.  stay in your little delusional world if it’s more comforting for you.

          • Anonymous

            Although, that 2-4% is far more fabulous than the remaining 96-98%

          • Anonymous
          • Anonymous

            politicians proved that not doctors.

          • Anonymous

            Anyone who looks at even one of those sources knows you lied, timjy.

          • Anonymous

            Maybe some homophobic African Americans don’t get it, but their opinion isn’t what COUNTS.  Science has proven sexual orientation is inborn and unchangeable.  Several US federal and several US State High Courts have held that discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation is similarly unconstitutional as discrimination based on race.  The opinions of these justices DOES COUNT.  That’s where the similarity ends, but it means it’s just as UNCONSTITUTIONAL and WRONG to try to HURT LGBT Americans with these dirty anti-gay Hate Votes as Jim Crow laws were.

          • Anonymous

             Let’s see links to your science.
            You realize that others in the scientific community disagree with you, right?

          • Anonymous

            You realize that the scientific community has no choice but to assert that the bodily resurrection of Our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, three days after His death was and is a physical impossibility? 

            If you would demand respect for beliefs you hold strictly on faith, you shouldn’t go around demanding scientific proof of the beliefs of others as a condition of your acceptance of them.

          • Anonymous

            Just because science can’t explain it, or calls it impossible doesn’t make it so.
             There is now a growing consensus among astrophysicists and cosmologists that travel at speeds faster than light may be possible.
            See what I’m saying?

          • Anonymous

            Yes, I see you are once again trying to deflect from the evidence that sexual orientation is inborn and unchangeable, john.

          • Anonymous

            That is a false statement. The Speed of light is absolute. The concept that you are referring to has to do with distorting space so travel between to points appears faster then light.

            As for the God hypothesis it is based on supernatural claims. Given the lack of evidence in this realm, there is no reason for science to explain or even consider it. Science explains things that are observable and measurable. 

            What makes the existence of Gods unlikely is not because science says so; it is because there is no evidence to suggest it is possible.

            -J 

          • Anonymous

            I see you are tap-dancing rings around logic to defend your superstitious beliefs.  

          • Anonymous
          • Anonymous

            only the stupid ones.

          • Alec Cunningham

            Are you a member of the black community?

            Have you read this, by the way?  http://bangordailynews.com/2012/05/20/politics/naacp-endorses-same-sex-marriage/

          • Anonymous

            Science has proven sexual orientation is inborn and unchangeable.  Several US federal and several US State High Courts have held that discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation is similarly unconstitutional as discrimination based on race.  That’s where the similarity ends, but it means it’s just as UNCONSTITUTIONAL and WRONG to try to HURT LGBT Americans with these dirty anti-gay Hate Votes as Jim Crow laws were.

          • Alec Cunningham

            “You can choose any color as long as it’s black.”  

          • Anonymous

            drop the interracial marriage and women’s vote comments, will ya? Does not relate here…and interracial marriage was between a man and a woman.

          • Anonymous

            Two people denied a marriage license solely because of who they wanted to marry vs. two people denied a marriage license solely because of who they wanted to marry.  You’re right.  I can’t see any similarities at all! (sarcasm)

          • Anonymous

            man and woman vs man and man or woman and woman…..do you need a refresher course on the human body?

          • Anonymous

            And I’m glad that to you, the most important part of marriage is the fun bits of the people involved.  Some people, myself included, think that the only things that matter in a marriage are “love” and “commitment”.  If you want to keep your narrow definition of marriage in your church, have at it.  Just keep it out of government.

          • Anonymous

            If this is a reference to sex, you ARE aware, aren’t you, that straight couples regularly have anal sex?

          • Anonymous

            Indeed,  what’s stopping Catholic priests and nuns from marrying? 

          • Anonymous

             Their vocational vows.

          • Anonymous

            As if that has stopped thousands of priests from molesting boys–and, in some cases, girls. The cute argument that gays and lesbians can easily marry by marrying persons of the opposite sex bespeaks the hatred of non-priestly gays and lesbians by many Catholics. They are beneath contempt by decent folks of all (other) faiths. No doubt Bishop Malone worries more about gay marriage than about priestly abuse of children. 

          • Anonymous

             We don’t hate anybody. We disagree with their forcing their views on us, the same way you claim we do it to you. If you’re going to make waves, expect some push back.
            The hate card doesn’t work, unless you want to go wailing to the SPLC and let them do your dirty work.

          • Anonymous

            If I was a Catholic I would vote for gay marriage, go to confession, do 5 hail marys and be done with it. What a silly religion, lets do something bad confess and your good to go. Whats the point????? Tell me that Mr. Koenig…give me a real reason why this religion works so well when you can do crazy stuff like some of your priest and yet stay in the church with a confession?

          • Anonymous

             Quite a bigot, aren’t you, Joy? Explaining matters of faith to someone so closed-minded would be an utter waste of time.

          • Anonymous

            You don’t have an answer do you? It’s ok you don’t have to defend the confession thing. It’s not your fault you don’t know the reasoning behind the confession part of the church. I will tell you my answer to my own question and let’s see how you feel about it. Everyone sins because we are human..EVERYONE does. If we didn’t sin there would not be a need for a church or a confession. If you swear you sin, if you have premarital sex you sin. I would say those 2 sins right there is about 95% of the world. The other 5% have lied about not doing what the other 95% have done so lieing is also a sin. John, Have you ever gone to confession? Have you ever sinned and not confessed? Come tell the truth John it’s ok we are all here for you to forgive.

          • Anonymous

            If you believe in religion super duper just don’t demand that I or anyone else share in your beliefs.  That doesn’t make me a bigot- as I am not attempting to force you to do anything or make you conform to my or any other belief system….too bad it doesn’t work that way for the religious sheeple.

          • Anonymous

            Always with these personal attacks from anti-gays, toward anyone who won’t help anti-gays HURT loving, committed same gender couples…

          • Anonymous

            No one is forcing our views on you. It’s not like the gays are saying I want to be married in a church. So for you to say they are forcing their views your wrong. I think what goes on in your church needs to stay there and not be involved in this country’s laws. Once you start voicing your opinion as a religous group in public then you are the ones who are forcing your views on us. If you have not noticed by now more and more Americans are becoming less religious. Soon all religion will be a thing of the past and the world will be at peace.

          • Anonymous

            how sad you think like that. Homosexuals ARE forcing their views on the majority. They are a small, small minority with loud, shreaking voices who want their behavior accepted by the mainstream….NEVER going to happen, no matter what way the vote goes. 

          • Anonymous

            Unless you are forced to perform or participate in a same sex marriage, nothing is being forced on you.  Get over your persecution complex.

          • Anonymous

            the repercussions of ssm will be the downfall of our civilization, what will our children be taught in schools about families and about parents based on a minute minority of people? 

          • Anonymous

            How many times are anti-gays going to claim that all non-gays are homophobic?  We know that’s a lie.

          • Anonymous

            Other than having been brainwashed by your church into thinking SSM is wrong, what exactly has your panties in a wad about the idea? How exactly will it impact your life in a negative way?

          • Anonymous

            I find this to be such a disingenuous argument about forced views. No one is forcing a particular view on you since you are free to reject any view presented to you. At the end of the day SSM is about enabling our country to living up to the promise of equality and fairness. It is about strengthening positive aspects of society and rejecting the influence of supernatural nonsense when dealing with each other.

            -J

          • Anonymous

            Wait Marriage is 1 man 1 woman so when the priest make their vows are they marrying a male or female god??? If its a vow to the church than that’s illegal as well hase to be 1 man 1 woman not 1 organization. Tell me why so many priest have molested kids? Is it because if they could be with a woman maybe this wouldn’t happen. It’s not natural to have the ability to have sex and not use it. Freaks of nature…I would bet everything in the world that every priest of higher up in the church has masturbated. Remember the rule 5% of people masturbate and the the other 95% are liars. But all these priest have to do is confess and all is good.

          • Anonymous

            wow…your hatred of The Catholic Church must use up alot of your energy. Millions of people have found peace, comfort and sforgiveness in The Catholic Church and will continue to do so.  The Church has owned up to its errors in the priest sexual abuse scandal and is trying to make amends to this day. I guess you never made a mistake, Joymeaton, and never had to ask for forgiveness.  That is the peace that Catholics find in their religion. I wish you a peaceful heart to wipe away the hatred in your heart now.

          • Anonymous

            You don’t sound like you have ANY “peace” OR a “heart,” just saying…

          • Anonymous

            Nuns aren’t stupid.

          • Anonymous

            Were they married to other men?  I don’t recall that.

          • Anonymous

             That’s because 5000 years of human society rejects such an unnatural act.

          • Anonymous

            Sure, if you ignore the Native American practice of same sex marriage.  But I’m sure you won’t let facts and reality influence your argument.

          • Anonymous

             OK, at age 49 with a graduate degree,  this is the first time I’ve ever seen that claim. Let’s have a link, if you please.

          • Anonymous

            “OK, at age 49 with a graduate degree” – HAHAHAHAHAHAHA your comments certainly haven’t lived up to that expectation.

            Second, for a link: http://digitalcommons.law.yale.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2503&context=fss_papers

            I direct you to page 37 of the pdf for the section on Native Americans

          • Anonymous

            John you just got SMACKED!!! Now Mr graduate let’s hope that smack gives you some common sense.

          • Anonymous

             And just how was I “smacked, Joy? Because a flippant gay man with a chip on his shoulder tossed an insult?
            It doesn’t take much to impress you, does it?

          • Anonymous

            And “a flippant gay man with a chip on his shoulder”  IS NOT AN INSULT, john?????

          • notateapartier

            It’s never good to advertise your education.  
            : )

          • Anonymous

             The typical smug leftist decides that another person’s education is suspect simply because of a difference of opinion.  That’s par for the course.

          • Anonymous

            First of all, I notice that you ignored the article. Was it too difficult for you?  Also, I don’t doubt your education because we disagree, I doubt your education because of your intellectual dishonesty and aversion to facts.

          • Anonymous

            Link to your degree please?

          • Anonymous
          • notateapartier

            Here is a link to some info about the history of Christian gay marriage. 
            http://www.gaychristian101.com/Gay-Marriage.html

          • Anonymous

            The Church blessed same gender marriages until the 1300s.  Ancient Rome and Greece had same gender marriages.

          • Anonymous

            your source, pls, carrotcake

          • Anonymous

            Go look that up yourself, and not at some anti-gay Hate Cult website.  Or go look at most cathedrals in Europe for the same gender couples in the stained glass windows.  Look at the representations of same gender couples in ancient Greek and Roman pottery.

          • Anonymous

            sorry cakeman, you don’t get off that easy….if you want to through some hateful lies around, you best be able to back them up…just saying?

          • Anonymous

            http://www.gallup.com/poll/154529/half-americans-support-legal-gay-marriage.aspx

            51% of Catholics support marriage equality while 47% are opposed.  carrotcakeman is incorrect with his 63% figure, but correct with stating a majority of Catholics support same sex marriage.

          • Anonymous

            And for 4950 of those years slavery was considered acceptable.

            Society notoriously rejects things that it fears or does not understand. With understanding comes acceptance. Society evolves. Perhaps your thoughts should also evolve.

            -J

      • Anonymous

        They don’t have the “right” to file taxes jointly, even if they own property in Maine and pay those taxes jointly.

        • Anonymous

           Roommates usually don’t.

          • Anonymous

            But married couples do.  Same sex couples are prevented from marrying.  However, I know this won’t make a bit of a difference in your “nuh uh” style of argument, seeing as you are too thick to let anything penetrate the wall of stupidity you have expertly set up around yourself.

          • Anonymous

             That wall certainly has foundations based on historical and legal precedents dating back 5000 years. Your tissue paper thin leftist dogma is another story.

          • Anonymous

            “That wall certainly has foundations based on ignorance and stupidity dating back for my entire life.”
            FTFY

          • Anonymous

             I’ll take 5000 years of human society over 50 years of leftist disruption and hate.

          • Anonymous

            Like I said, there is plenty of history for same sex marriage.  You won’t read it of course, the article I posted in another comment probably has too many “big boy words”.

          • Anonymous

             Your childish insults are indicative of your character.

          • Anonymous

            You act like a child, so I treat you like a child.  When you are ready to be a big boy, then I’ll treat you like an adult.  Until then, go ahead, keep ignoring any “facts” that don’t fit into your world view.

          • Anonymous

            Anti-gays always stoop to such personal attacks when we catch them lying again.

          • Anonymous

            Loving, committed same gender American couples are NOT “disruption and hate,” that’s anti-gays, and they go back less than 40 years. 

          • Anonymous

            We’ve already debunked this anti-gay deception.

          • Anonymous

             “We”? You have a gerbil in your pocket?

          • Anonymous

            John that was just a sinfull thing to say…10 hail marys!!

          • Anonymous

             We Catholics have a sense of humor, too ;-)

          • Anonymous

            I don’t believe you’re a Catholic.  Anti-gays will tell any lie…

          • Alec Cunningham

            I see.  That’s how you get around it.  Gays have all the rights straight couples have until it’s shown they don’t, so then you just say they have the same rights as roommates.

            Fortunately, that’s an old and transparent argument.  People see through it.

      • Anonymous

         pound sand

        • Anonymous

           What a zinger!

          • Anonymous

            And yet, still more intillegent than anything you have provided…

          • Anonymous

             That statement just proves that I’m right.  And that you’re getting just a tad frustrated.

          • Anonymous

            No, actually, this is quite entertaining.  Seeing the mental gymnastics you have to go through to justify your bigotry is hilarious!  Please, continue to put your ignorance on display!

          • Anonymous

             I could counter with exactly the same argument after reading your views regarding my religion.

          • Anonymous

            Such as?  I’m not trying to take away any of your rights.  Free speech allows me to make fun of your uneducated comments.  If you don’t want criticism, don’t comment.  It’s that easy!

          • Anonymous

            The Christians freaked out when there was proof Jesus was married. They then found out Jesus wife’s casket contained a male body and now they say those scriptures can’t be right. The guy walked around saying I love you to everyone so maybe he was bisexual. Nothing wrong with that go for it Jesus!!

          • Anonymous

             One disputed article does not make Jesus married, Joy. Try again.

          • Anonymous

             Huh???

          • Anonymous

            Which statement was it that you think “proved you right,” john?  Please document that the Iowa State Supreme Court was incorrect.

          • Alec Cunningham

            You have a zinger to the Iowa statement above?

      • Anonymous

        No, LGBT Americans DO NOT have the SAME right to legal marriage as mixed-sex couples do.  The Iowa State Supreme Court unanimously established marriage equality in April 2009, and this is their answer to “You have the same right to marry someone of the opposite sex as anyone else”:

        “It is true the marriage statute does not expressly prohibit gay and lesbian persons from marrying; it does, however, require that if they marry, it must be to someone of the opposite sex. Viewed in the complete context of marriage, including intimacy, civil marriage with a person of the opposite sex is as unappealing to a gay or lesbian person as civil marriage with a person of the same sex is to a heterosexual. Thus, the right of a gay or lesbian person under the marriage statute to enter into a civil marriage only with a person of the opposite sex is no right at all. Under such a law, gay or lesbian individuals cannot simultaneously fulfill their deeply felt need for a committed personal relationship, as influenced by their sexual orientation, and gain the civil status and attendant benefits granted by the statute. Instead, a gay or lesbian person can only gain the same rights under the statute as a heterosexual person by negating the very trait that defines gay and lesbian people as a class-their sexual orientation.”

        http://www.iowacourtsonline.org/Supreme_Court/Varnum_v_Brien/Supreme_Court_Ruling/

        • Anonymous

          we don’t live in iowa

      • Anonymous

        They don’t have any rights to sue as next of kin in wrongful death suits.

        • Anonymous

          so its about the money?

          • Anonymous

            Absolutely, historically marriage has ALWAYS been about money and property.  What do you think a dowery was ever about???  The concept about marrying for love is not historical and is an entirely recent development.  So much for marriage not evolving over time!

          • Anonymous

            Why don’t you show us that YOUR marriage is NOT “about the money” by getting your marriage annulled and then paying back all levels of government for all the benefits you sucked up?

          • Anonymous

            carrotcake, that is one of your more assinine comments to date

          • Anonymous

            You still haven’t responded to my factually accurate statement that marriage historically has ALWAYS been about money and property.

          • Anonymous

             what a simpleton!

        • Anonymous

           Because they’re not next of kin.
          Sometimes the obvious  is the correct answer.

          • Anonymous

            A spouse IS next of kin!  So now you understand why gay marriage is indeed so necessary!

          • Anonymous

            In the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, THEY ARE NEXT OF KIN.

          • Anonymous

            …because they lack access to civil marriage to protect themselves as a family.

            Do you see how you’re arguing against your own assertion that we have the same rights? It’s obvious we do not have marriage rights, and those are important to a couple committed to building a life together.

      • Anonymous

         right to inheritance, ss,.  DOMA took away many rignts SSM couples had.

      • Anonymous

        Here is a list from the federal government’s General Accounting Office of the 1,138 federal rights of legal marriage that CANNOT BE OBTAINED BY ANY OTHER MEANS:

        http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d04353r.pdf

      • Anonymous

        That’s a really ignorant statement.  Why would you post such a thing? 

        Would you want to marry a man?  No?  Then apply that to what gay people and our supporters are trying to achieve regarding marriage equality.

        If you want to be taken seriously, try to sound a bit more intelligent.

      • Anonymous

        Ahh, yes, there goes the Jim Crow law logic— the idea that gays should marry people they aren’t attracted to is cynical and goes against the reasons couples marry in the first place… and it belongs on the same trash heap we put “grandfather laws” that disenfranchised black voters back in the day.

        The truth is that courts across our nation have examined civil marriage and same-sex couples’ right to it, and they have consistently found no justifiable reason to restrict these benefits from same-sex couples.

        I hope the majority of Mainers will join me in voting YES on question 1 this November, and recognize that ALL Maine families deserve the opportunity to protect the lives they build and the children they raise with civil marriage.

      • Anonymous

        If they can’t marry whom they want, marriage as it stands is meaningless and therefore not an existing right.

        Nothing prevented blacks from riding public transportation or drinking from public fountains, either. It’s the same thing.

  • Anonymous

    Good Man thank you!

    • Anonymous

      He wants to HURT loving, committed Mainer couples.  Since when is HURTING people “good”?

  • Anonymous

     This fear based man (Malone) should be replaced with faith based man…..

  • Anonymous

    Anne Underwood, perhaps you should become an Episcopalian…their teachings change like the wind/politics and then you can vote your conscience and remain true to their teachings. Much of their service is modeled after Catholicism. 

     I do not consider you a Catholic if you go against the teachings of The Church.  The Church and its teachings are the one truth that guide us in our lives.

    The headline to this article is also offensive to me….Bishop Malone is our former Bishop, not an “ex”…he still administers to the Catholics of Maine.

    • Anonymous

       Where was the Catholic outrage when we were galavanting around the World starting wars?

      • Anonymous

         The Vatican, the USCCB and Nuns on the Bus have had plenty to say. But I imagine you get all your news from The MSM.

        • Anonymous

          Do you get YOUR news from Faux News, “Free Republic” and WND?

          • Anonymous

            You lose the argument right  there. That’s the equivalent of Godwin’s Law in an argument like this.
            I don’t have cable, I don’t know what “Free Republic” is and World Net Daily is credentialed  as a member of the White House Press Corps.

          • Anonymous

            Thanks for telling everyone I was 100% correct.

    • Anonymous

      Of course you don’t!  God forbid a Catholic think for themselves and not be told by a “higher authority” what they are suppose to think.  Enough!  RCs teach conformity and discourage any and I mean any thought provoking conversation.  Too bad they don’t teach loving your neighbor, kindness, and tolerance.

      • Anonymous

        Psh being a decent human being and respecting the rights of all Americans? What liberal crap!
        (sarcasm)

    • Anonymous

      You don’t get to tell Anne or any other American what church we have to join.

      • Anonymous

        I didn’t tell her…I said “perhaps”…its only a suggestions since her statements sound like something out of the Episcopal Church.  Bishop Malone stated that if you vote for SSM, you are not following the Catholic doctrine….thus, you are not a true Catholic. Maybe she should look into the UU…

        • Anonymous

          63% of Catholics support marriage equality.  It’s Malone who’s out of step.

          • Anonymous

            Oh, please show us where you got that make believe number from? 

        • Anonymous

          Just like if you are a female married catholic who uses birth control, you are not a true catholic.  Get out.

    • Anonymous

      Then you must not consider MOST menstruating catholics to be good catholics as they overwhelming indicate they use birth control, which is also against the teachings of the church.  How nice to be so smug.

      • Anonymous

        your response is bizarre and untrue. 

        • Anonymous

          Absolutely not.  Without exception, every married female catholic I know with the exception of one woman use birth control.  If what I say isn’t true, then why aren’t more family larger than one or two children?

      • Anonymous

         The Church has no issues with the Pill being used for medical reasons.

        • Anonymous

          You mean like preventing pregnancy, which is what every female catholic I know used it for!!!

    • Anonymous

      I hear those wicked Episcopalians even agree with Copernicus that the earth is NOT the center of the universe, in blatant disregard of the teachings of the Catholic church.

      Those heretics have the gall to assert that the earth revolves around the sun! 

  • je pa

    Catholic Hymn 43 Make Me a Channel

    (Proposed version for 2012 to replace the obsolete Prayer of St. Francis)

    .

    .
    Make me a channel of the Right,

    Where there is birth control then I shall fight,

    Of greed and gold I have nothing to say,

    Of waterboarding I looked the other way.

    .
    I’ll master all the sheep with the threat of Hell,

    What to think and how to vote I’ll surely tell,

    And that we’re persecuted like the Saints of old,

    That our freedoms taken by the Feds so bo-o-old.

    .
    Make me a channel of the Right,

    Guns and smoke and war yet so pro-life,

    Though human kindness does still have its place,

    In wealth and power is where we’ll gain our Grace.

    • Anonymous

      Sounds about right!

    • Anonymous

       I thought Hymn 43 was Jethro Tull.

  • Anonymous

    So I assume this means that the Catholic church is going to start paying taxes?   

    • Anonymous

       Just as soon as Planned Parenthood does.

      • Anonymous

        No comparison, just the desperation of the few remaining anti-gays…

        • Anonymous

           A 501 (  c) (3) is a 501(c )(3). Period. They all need to be treated equally.

          • Anonymous

            Please demonstrate that Planned Parenthood is trying to POISON our POLITICAL PROCESS the way this creepy bishop is.  That’s the point you’re trying to avoid.

          • Anonymous

             Ask Sandra Fluke.

          • Anonymous

            Sandra Fluke doesn’t work or speak for Planned Parenthood.  Try again.

          • Anonymous

            Yes, we’re all familiar with the vicious right-wing attacks on Sandra Fluke.

  • Anonymous

    Who cares what he thinks?  Not everyone is catholic and I think child molesters should be castrated and those that protected them, thrown in jail.

    • Anonymous

       Exactly so vote no on1.

      • Anonymous

        ??

  • Anonymous

    if gay marriage is against your teachings or your conscience, the best thing you can do on question 1 is not to vote at all.  just leave it blank.  that way you don’t violate your principles and you aren’t denying an entire segment of the population the same civil rights you enjoy.

    • Anonymous

      how dare you suggest that someone not vote?  –

      • Anonymous

        Get real, trying to prevent legally registered voters from voting is a standard GOP Dirty Trick®.

        • Anonymous

          sorry, I don’t see Rep or Dem in this debate. Dirty tricks in voting are left to the SSM, importing voters on election day, etc…..college students from away…..one of the problems with being able to register to vote on election day.

          • Anonymous

            Yes, how terrible that college students would use their constitutional right to vote by voting through absentee ballot…

          • Anonymous

            that is not what I was referring to….out of staters students registering in Maine to vote..duh

          • Anonymous

            “college students from away” – you, 2 hours ago, complaining about those pesky college students voting.

          • Anonymous

            College students from away have a right to vote where they attend school, the US Supreme Court ruled on this decades ago. Yet Charlie Summers tried to discourage them from voting, mailing them forms to un-register!

  • Anonymous

    People so blinded by their faith that they don’t see the truth that
    is in front of them.  They pick and choose what parts of the bible they
    want to believe.

    I think the real reason Christians have a hard time allowing gay
    marriage is that it shakes the loose foundation that Christians put
    their beliefs in.  They know what the bible says about homosexuality but
    are in conflict with the fact that there is nothing wrong with it.  The
    same way they know that these bible passages are just plain wrong.

     “I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man. She must be quiet.” (1 Timothy 2:12)

    “Slaves, be subject to your masters with all reverence, not only to those who are good and equitable but also to those who are perverse.” (1 Peter 2:18)

    “Go, now, attack Amalek, and deal with him and all that he has under the ban. Do not spare him, but kill men and women, children and infants, oxen and sheep, camels and asses.”(1 Samuel 15:3)

    “You shall not let a sorceress live.” (Exodus 22:18)

    and many more verses like this….

    Do you really think these are the words of god?

    and if not, then why do Christians keep saying homosexuality is wrong?

     The bible clearly got slavery wrong, and women’s rights….Isn’t it
    possible that the bible got it wrong about the sin of being gay?

    These are the questions that arise when the topic of gay marriage
    comes up and I think it scares some people.  But you must have the
    courage to make your own decisions about what is right and wrong, and
    not let a 2000 year old book make it for you.

    • Anonymous

       Bravo, sadly they will also choose to ignore this comment.  If it doesn’t fit their agenda it doesn’t exist it seems.    They just plug their ears and sing louder

    • Joy Eaton

      Thank goodness we don’t follow everything the bible states!

      • Anonymous

        No lobster or any other shellfish for them!

        • Anonymous

           You’re another example of someone unaware of the New Covenant.

          • Anonymous

            No, what you don’t like is that I AM AWARE of the hypocrisy of anti-gays.

    • Anonymous

      IT clearly states marraige is between a man and a woment too. So I guess youa re picking and choosing. Jesus is clear on marriage.

      • Anonymous

        And between a woman and her rapist!  Sooo moral (sarcasm)

      • Anonymous

        Wrong.  Jesus affirmed a gay couple.

        The Greek word that the Roman centurion uses in this passage to describe the sick man – pais – is the same word used in ancient Greek to refer to a same-gender partner.

        From our days in Sunday school, many of us are familiar with the Gospel story where Jesus healed the servant of a Roman centurion. This story is recorded in Matthew 8:5-13 and Luke 7:1-10. In Matthew, we are told that the centurion came to Jesus to plead for the healing of his servant. Jesus said he was willing to come to the centurion’s house, but the centurion said there was no need for Jesus to do so — he believed that if Jesus simply spoke the word, his servant would be healed. Marveling at the man’s faith, Jesus pronounced the servant healed. Luke tells a similar story.

        • Anonymous

          I think you are little off base, actually a whole lot.  You know it also says, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?6Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. If you need to go before that it says And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,

          It also does nto refer to same gender partner,

          • Anonymous

            It doesn’t attack loving, committed same gender couples, does it?

            FAIL.

      • Anonymous

        Jesus was speaking of religious marriage, not civil marriage.

        Her certainly never said anything against homosexuals, and did say something specifically about staying out of the laws of the government.

      • Anonymous

         Jesus doesn’t live here anymore – he was a man who inhabited this earth some 2,000 years ago.  That’s about all we really know.  Relevance????

      • Anonymous

         JESUS IS IRRELEVANT TO THIS DISCUSSION.  Hello.  It is 2012, and I don’t give a rat’s a.. about this JESUS GUY.

        • Anonymous

          Follow the discussion, it is not necessary to yell. I hear very well and can carry a conversation. Jesus is as relevant now as He was then.

          • Anonymous

            Which is not at all…

  • Not sure when The Vatican Beautified Saint Bruce, The Holy Pillow Biter.  So being a bad Catholic, I voted NO on 1 last week.

    • Anonymous

      You should have voted ‘Yes’ on One – if you approve gay marriage, that is.

    • Anonymous

      Do you take pleasure in thinking how that will HURT loving, committed same gender Mainer couples?

    • Anonymous

      If you don’t think the Catholic church has tens of thousands of gay priests and lesbian nuns, you must have your head buried in the sand.  The church is where gay and lesbian Catholics were supposed to go to hide their sexual orientation in years past. 

  • Anonymous

    Thank You Bishop Malone for being willing to stand up for what is the truth from the Bible.  I agree with you and thank you for asking those in the faith to vote NO on ques. #1.  God Bless!!

    • Anonymous

       And when will he stand against tattoos, eating pork and wearing mixed fabrics.  All things the bible says are no-no’s.   If churches want to get involved in politics then they need to start paying taxes.  

      • Anonymous

         Ever heard of the New Covenant?
        As for taxes, the Church can pay when sleazy outfits like the SPLC and Planned Parenthood do.

        • Anonymous

          Yes, how “sleazy” of Planned Parenthood to provide pre-natal heathcare to ensure healthy babies for low income women.

          • Anonymous

             How sleazy of Planned Parenthood to provide abortions on my tax dollar to girls as young as 13 without parental notification.

          • Anonymous

            Except that they don’t provide it on your tax dollar.  The Hyde Amendment prevents that.  They receive private donations that allow them to perform those services.  Wow, you certainly are batting a thousands in terms of being wrong…

          • Anonymous

             The Hyde Amendment is a sham, just like “designating” which organizations your money goes to if you give to the United Way.
            Tax dollars free up funds from other sources to provide abortions.

          • Anonymous

            You seem so reluctant to admit you are wrong.  It doesn’t matter if “tax dollars free up funds for abortions”.  Your original complaint was, and I quote, “How sleazy of Planned Parenthood to provide abortions on my tax dollar”  The FACT is they are not providing it on YOUR tax dollar, but instead from donations.  I believe this is a perfect example of the “moving the goalpost” fallacy.

          • Anonymous

             Have you ever heard of the psychological term, “projection”?
            You suffer from it.

          • Anonymous

            That’s it, just ignore the “facts” that I have presented, because, you know, screw reality.

          • Anonymous

            Anti-gays always resort to making such personal attacks when we catch them lying again. 

          • Anonymous

             Shall I start counting your attacks on those of us defending our faith? There are several.

          • Anonymous

            I’m not attacking your faith, john, I’m attacking the criminal acts committed by the Catholic bishops that poisoned our political process.

          • Anonymous

            That’s another right-wing LIE.  PP does NOT use ANY tax dollars for that.

          • Anonymous

            And how “sleazy” of the SPLC to document that anti-gay Hate Cults repeatedly tell LIES about LGBT Americans!

          • Anonymous

             Take a hard look at the SPLC and its agenda. Take a look at Morris Dees and his personal conduct. If you hate pedophile priests, you’ll really hate Morris Dees.

          • Anonymous

            Take a hard look at what the SPLC has documented about the anti-gay Hate Cults:

            http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2010/winter/the-hard-liners

            And tell us just what is wrong with the documentation.

          • Anonymous

             Take a look at the support for Chick-fil-A. That certainly showed you the mood of America.
            Off topic, but that’s when I realized that Barry Obama was a one term president.

          • Anonymous

            Really?  You think that over half of America eats a Chick Fil A?  Even then, the whole Chick Fil A situation hurts your side even more.  Once the health effects of Chick Fil A food kicks in, there will be less and less people voting against same sex marriage.

          • Anonymous

            I guess you forgot the anti-gay chicken chain owner was caught negotiating with Chicago officials and LGBT Community organizations at the same time he was doing what he told them he wouldn’t.  The fact he negotiated proves his business is collapsing.

            But thanks for showing other readers you were LYING about the SPLC by trying to change the subject AGAIN, john.

        • Anonymous

          It didn’t replace the old laws. Jesus said so himself.

    •  Oh where to begin… I would say with, “How about some proof?”, but we all know there is little to offer. Second, the Catholic Church isn’t even a Christian Church, they are a church of politics. The majority of their “rites” come from other religions that the church adopted over centuries to ease the conversion of conquered nations. Here is another history lesson for you, the last time the majority of the “civilized” world listened to the Pope we called it the Dark Ages. We live in a democratic society, not a theological one. Who was it who gave humanity democracy? Oh yea, people who believed the Zeus and the rest of the gods may rule the heavens, but man is in charge here on Earth. They knew it was better to rule themselves than to listen to the ravings of the clerics who were hungry for power. Either that or the clerics were mentally ill like Moses. Sorry, but when you take orders from a burning bush it just kind of screams schizophrenic. Your church has harmed humanity far more than it has ever even thought of helping it. Please take the blinders off, put the kool-aid down and see this issue for what it is, equality for all people under the law.

    • Anonymous

      Just how many times did you try to convince readers to vote to HURT loving, committed same gender Mainer couples? 

    • Anonymous

      Then why isn’t he speaking out when it comes to the government’s failure to force a rape victim to marry her attacker?

      • Anonymous

        Well, that would be inconvenient and unpopular…

  • Anonymous

    Just another vbigot with a collar. Who cares what he has to say.

  • Anonymous

    Thank you Bishop Malone for starting up for what is right.  It is time to end this defamation of marriage and get back to God and the principles HIS Word stands on.  Vote NO on #1.  God Bless!!

    • Anonymous

      Why do you want to HURT loving, committed same gender Mainer couples?

      • Anonymous

         Oh you poor victim…

        • Anonymous

          Isn’t HURTING people why she will vote no?  No use trying to deflect from the NASTY intentions of the no-voters.

  • Anonymous

    How can that be when the bible says not to make such judgements on people? How can that be, when it does not state that forcing anyone to do anything is good, but ok to warn people? Contradicts the doctrines the bishop reads from. They need a new book to make such a bold statement against their own scriptures.

    One question. Whose right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness does it take away to allow someone to marry? Church doesn’t need to marry anyone. Notaries should have the right to express their religious freedom. There are notaries that don’t care.

  • Anonymous

    Oh give me a break!   The Catholics and other Christian Organizations are the most hypocritical  bunch I can think of right off hand.  

    For this Ex-Bishop to preach to others on who to vote for is a joke. 

    Maybe he could spend more time straightening out the pedophilia in his organization instead of getting involved in politics. 

    And yes I believe in God, I just have a problem with organized religion who are all about controlling others and lining their own pockets. 

  • Joy Eaton

    All of this is becoming out of control – you now have “threats” from the Catholic church to its followers, you have businesses that are being boycotted because they post a sign on their private property, ect. Why can’t the freedom of speech be inacted upon without being discrimated against? It’s a matter of personal opinion and people really need to understand this. I just can’t wait for this to all be over with and sure most everyone else is as well. I am voting yes on #1 because we do not have the right to tell people who they can fall inlove with and marry. Yes, I grew up in a Catholic household and attended church every week and every holiday – call me a traitor if you’d like, I really don’t care.  

    • Anonymous

      Your family members who are LGBT will call you a real American, Ms. Eaton.  Thank you for your support.

  • I don’t see the connection between voting for the rights of others to that of 12th century politics. The same doctrines also prohibit eating meat on Friday’s pretty much for sh!ts and giggles. Coincidentally there is no commandment saying not to marry someone of the same sex, but you’re going to Hell if you  steal milk from your neighbors cow.

  • Anonymous

    If someone seeks guidance from the Church, in private, the bishop is welcome, then, to offer an opinion.

    Otherwise, he should probably ‘zip it’.

    There’s good reason for separation of Church and State and I formally request the Church to honor womens’ right to privacy, under the Constitution, when choosing appropriate reproductive health care.

    Vote ‘yes’ on One.

    Obama 2012

    • Anonymous

       Show me where in the US  Constitution you find “separation of church and state.”
      Meanwhile I’l show you the First Amendment, which says about religion,  “or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;”

      • Anonymous

        You missed a part: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion”.  People much smarter than yourself have interpreted this to mean a separation of church and state.

        • Anonymous

           You couldn’t be more wrong. The establishment clause refers to an official State religion, such as The Church of England in the UK.

          • Anonymous

            Tell that to Thomas Jefferson:
            “I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should “make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,” thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. ” 1802 Letter to Danbury Baptist Association

          • Anonymous

             Since when is the Danbury Letter the law of this land?

          • Anonymous

            Since Courts have used that ruling in regards to cases dealing with the separation of church and state.  See:
            Reynolds v. United States:
            (In refrence to Thomas Jefferson’s quote)
            “Coming as this does from an acknowledged leader of the advocates of the measure,
            it may be accepted almost as an authoritative declaration of the scope and
            effect of the amendment thus secured.”

          • Anonymous

             That was one of the first well documented cases of judicial activism ever truly dissected by the public.  The court had no business using  a single man’s opinion (even Jefferson’s) that wasn’t part of a ratified Constitution or passed and signed legislation.

          • Anonymous

            Well, until that ruling is overturned, too bad.  You asked what made separation of church and state the law of the land.  I gave it to you.  Don’t complain that you were proven wrong.

            Also, judicial activism is just the conservative term for “I disagree with the ruling’.

          • Anonymous

             Judicial activism refers to the actions of jurists who disregard established precedent and evidence. And you know it. It cuts both ways.

          • Anonymous

            There’s a little thing called “disagreement” and “interpretation”.  Just because a judge has a different interpretation of the law, doesn’t mean that they are a ‘judicial activist” is just means that you disagree.

          • Anonymous

            No, it’s what right-wingers WHINE when they lose in court again and again and again.

          • Anonymous

            What a pathetic whine,  john, “judicial activism” means you’re gonna stomp your widdle foot until the US Supreme Court lets you force your “beliefs” onto all other Americans. 

          • Anonymous

             Much like your side did with Roe v. Wade?

          • Anonymous

            I wasn’t aware that Roe v. Wade forced you to have an abortion.

          • Anonymous

            You attempt at deflection failed again, john.

          • Anonymous

            Since when is forcing others to kneel to your form of interpretation of your religion an exercise that is guaranteed by the first amendment?  I point out that nowhere have I read that a yes vote on 1 forces ANYBODY to marry someone of the same sex, which begs the question, how does allowing two people of the same sex to marry have any effect on the religious beliefs of anyone else?

          • Anonymous

            Since the first time the United States Supreme Court said it is.  Someone said that was “Reynolds.”  That makes it way more than 100 years.

          • Anonymous

            remember you said it, ” prohibiting the free exercise thereof” and that is wahat you seem to want to do,

          • Anonymous

            How am I preventing you from worshiping the diety of your choice?

          • Anonymous

            You won’t be unable to practice your religion if you are prevented from forcing your religion onto all other Americans by misusing the law.

          • Anonymous

            So there should be prayer in public school?

          • Anonymous

            Not forced prayer, but the free exercise of religion is permitted, so student prayer is fine, no matter what religion.

          • Anonymous

            No students are forbidden to pray, but NO ONE may FORCE students to pray.

          • Anonymous

             What did I just say, genius?

          • BrightSide

            Under your reasoning john, we should open the political and legislative processes to all religions. Folks like you only think about your own religion. What about the dozens of other religions in the US and hundreds across the world? If we can have a Christian law against gay marriage, I am curious how accepting you would be if other religions, contrary to your own, started to gain a voice in our political world and used their weight to put into law their beliefs.

          • Anonymous

             Bring them on. The Constitution protects all religions.  They have every right to be heard and participate in the process.

          • Anonymous

            What john doesn’t like or accept is that the Constitution protects all other Americans from his religion.

          • Anonymous

            You’re lying and you know it, john.

          • Anonymous

             No, cakeboy, I’m not. Read the First Amendment.

          • Anonymous

            Anti-gays always resort to personal attacks when we catch them lying again.

            And again and again and again.

            Anti-gays always lie.

      • Anonymous

        Thomas Jefferson, the Author of the Declaration of Independence and the 3rd US President wrote that phrase.  The United States Supreme Court has used that phrase HUNDREDS of times.  No use at all denying “Separation of Church and State” is firmly established as Constitutional Law.

    • Anonymous

      The Constitution does not say separation of Church and State, does it?

  • Anonymous

    Catholic bashing…the last politically correct form of bigotry in America.

    • Anonymous

      Nothing bigoted about bashing wrong, hurtful ideas.

      • Anonymous

         I find your ideas just as offensive.

        • Anonymous

          Yes, john, we know how offended anti-gays are that most Americans won’t help anti-gays hurt LGBT Americans.

          • Anonymous

            Your persecution complex simply works against your cause. Nobody likes a whiner who has nothing of substance to whine about.

          • Anonymous

            Wow, you literally just described the Religious Right.  What a funny moment of unintentional clarity!

          • Anonymous

            John also engaged in “projection,” something anti-gays stoop to constantly.

          • Anonymous

             I’ll say it again: Projection.

          • Anonymous

            Go right ahead and say it again, we can all see you’re the one doing it, sweetie.

          • Anonymous

            You seem to have this problem where you expect everyone to take what you say as fact, without providing any sources or any support for your claims.  The problem is, you are just some random internet person with a grudge.  I don’t believe a word you type.  Deal with it.

        • Anonymous

          Hi s bashing your beliefs in no way prevents you from marrying the person of your choice.

        • Anonymous

          uh, get over it. My idea isn’t hurting or depriving a class of people. That’s the difference.

    • Anonymous

      Catholics bashing others, religious intolerance disguised as “religious freedom.”

      • Anonymous

        We aren’t bashing Catholics, we’re just telling the GOP bishop we aren’t going along with his GOP Dirty Trick®.  MOST Catholics support marriage equality.  That’s why this creepy bishop is threatening them with this attack.

        • Anonymous

           You aren’t bashing Catholics? Do you lie to yourself  often?

          • Anonymous

            Why would I bash Catholics, when MOST of them SUPPORT marriage equality?!?!?!

            Anti-gays always lie.

          • Anonymous

            Catholics are famous for burning non-Catholics at the stake. Your church has a history of torture, murder and plunder second to none. Think of all the true good that might be done with all the gold and silver hoarded at the Vatican for the purpose of amassing wealth and worldly prestige!

    • Anonymous

      You seem perfectly comfortable with making a nasty comment on a sex act between loving, committed same gender couples, john.  Remember, I asked you how much time a day you fantasize about “gay sex”?

      • Anonymous

         Sorry cakeboy, you’re not my type.

        • Anonymous

          You’re the one who told everyone earlier that you fantasize about one particular act of “gay sex,” and then you WHINED when I documented what scientists have proven that means.

    • Anonymous

      You can’ t indulge in the sort of incendiary language you use to describe gay people all over this message board and then pretend that you yourself are not a bigot. 

  • RJ

  • Rich Meyer

    What if I’m not Catholic?

    • Anonymous

       Nobody’s perfect…

      • Anonymous

        Even if you were Catholic, Mr. Meyer, you would be 63% likely to vote YES.  63% of Catholics support marriage equality and disregard the cheap GOP Dirty Tricks® from the GOP bishops.

    • Anonymous

      The Catholic bishops have that covered, too.  The federal judge who revoked the 2008 California anti-gay H8te Vote that deprived LGBT Californians of existing marriage equality had in his possession an email Catholic bishops wrote to Mormon leaders agreeing to hide from public scrutiny and refuse to report their illegal cash and in-kind contributions to the H8te Vote as required by California law. The email serves as proof they knew by refusing to report these massive contributions they were violating campaign finance laws, as well as the email itself being an act of criminal collusion.
       

  • Anonymous

    In this whole debate, The only Religion we have heard from is the Christians. I will not bad-mouth the christians. My religion states “Harm no one. Do as thine will”. As a practicing Wiccan, I will follow this. To vote against gay marriage will harm the gay community. I will be voting For their Rights. Our law is love. According to Ann-Marie Gallagher, a professor of women’s studies and long-time author of many books related to Wicca, “there is no moralistic doctrine or dogma other than the advice offered in the Wiccan Rede… The only ‘law’ here is love… It matters not whether we are gay, straight, bisexual or transgendered – the physical world is sacred, and [we are] celebrating our physicality, sexuality, human nature and celebrating the goddess, Giver of ALL life and soul of ALL nature. Even If I wasn’t a Wiccan. I still will vote for them. This is a right they should have had a long time ago.   

  • Soo, molesting children is ok

  • Anonymous

    He is addressing Catholics,  this is an issue that Catholics cannot and will not accept.  Homosexuality is for us one of the four sins that cry out to heaven for vengeance.

    Thank you Bishop Malone for not being afraid to address this issue.  For too long the Diocese of  Portland had very poor leadership and the Catholics were very poorly educated in their faith.  

    My suspicion regarding Anne Underwood of Topsham is that she may attend Mass every week, but she disagrees with the Church on most issues.   She’s most likely is pro abortion, wants women priests, does not support the Church’s view regarding contraception and totally ignores the Pope.  Anne, have you ever considered joining another church?  I’m sure many would love to have you.  But, I suspect you stay Catholic because you know there is credibility  in what you say when you pretend to say you are Catholic.

    • Anonymous

      If me being gay sends me to hell, then sign me right up.  Sounds much better than heaven with all the boring, stuffy homophobes.

      • Anonymous

        Why would you want to go to hell with all the self righteous people  who accuse  others of being boring, stuffy and homophobes.  Sounds like your hell is for the uncharitable (which is hell). How sad for you.

        • Anonymous

          It seems that you misunderstood my post.  The boring, stuffy homophobes will be in heaven.  If I go to hell because I’m gay, that would be wonderful.  Us gays and atheists and everyone else who didn’t pick the “right” religion will be having a grand old time.

    • Anonymous

      It’s sad, but I agree with you.  Anne should leave the church just like hundreds and thousands of other Catholics have done because of the hypocrisy in the church and rulings based on bible interpretation by the male gender and specifically one man.    Personally I decided a long time ago that I did not want to conform and I would prefer to think for myself and live a Christian life rather then an intolerant one.  Anne is one of those rare Catholics who is trying to stick it out in hopes that religion and faith will eventually conquer the narrow minded “holier than thou” attitude of the church leaders.  Sorry Anne, it’s not going to happen.  Do yourself a favor and leave the church and find out what true Christianity is. 

      • Anonymous

        Anne will not leave the Church.  To her it’s all about POWER.  She thinks she has power when she pretends to be a Catholic.

        • Anonymous

          Yet another nasty personal attack from an anti-gay…

    • Ok I have 7 Catholics in my family alone who take birth control, have had their tubes tied, and are voting YES on 1! Oh my partner is one of them. Vatican 2 was much more liberal in these matters. 

      • Anonymous

         Vatican II was much more liberal? May I remind you that Humanae Vitae came six years after Vatican II?

        • Anonymous

          And may we remind you that some 99% of Catholics just laugh at that nonsense?

          • Anonymous

            Are you Catholic? Or were you raised Catholic? Regardless, you really are clueless about what  practicing Catholics  believe.
            It sounds like you’re getting your information from public opinion poll.

          • Anonymous

            I was raised Catholic.  Then my parents realize what hypocrites they were for condeming same sex relationships while also covering up child abuse.  I know that Catholics believe that every Sunday, they engage in cannabalism.  They literally believe the bread and wine turn into Jesus’ flesh and blood.

          • Anonymous

             Calling transubstantiation  cannibalism simply shows your ignorance and bigotry.
            Cannibalism involves eating the dead.  The Eucharist is life.

          • Anonymous

            You have written much worse things about your fellow Americans who are LGBT, john, are you trying to claim yet another “special right,” this time to attack your opponents but they can’t respond?

          • Anonymous

            Cannibalism can most certainly happen when someone is still alive.  You believe that you are eating the flesh and drinking the blood of Jesus.  That is the definition of cannibalism.

          • Anonymous

            Yes, I was raised Catholic, and I’m still close with my extended Catholic family.  Sorry that we aren’t all as homophobic as you’d find convenient. If YOU were Catholic, you’d know that most Catholics place their LGBT relatives over the bishops’ shameful GOP Dirty Tricks®.

          • Anonymous

            I am Catholic, cakeboy. Since only 3%  of the US population identifies as gay, I’m not familiar with anyone in my parish who is gay or has gay family members. And I live in a metro area of 1.3 million that has its fair share of gays.

          • Anonymous

            You’ve told so many other lies, why should we believe you now?  Why don’t you climb the stairs out of the basement and ask your Mommy to tell you the story of The Anti-gay Who Cried Wolf?

          • Anonymous

            And you think they’d come out to you?????????????

          • Anonymous

            I’m surprised he didn’t turn around and claim he “has gay friends” who don’t want equal rights.

      • Anonymous

        How was Vatican II much more liberal in these areas?

    • Anonymous

      Anti-gays routinely make personal attacks at anyone who refuses to help them HURT loving, committed same gender American couples.  I’m sure Anne will just laugh at your cowardly attack here.

    • Anonymous

      I have PLENTY of Catholic friends who think for themselves and come to their own conclusions and interpretations of their religion.  Their tolerance, intelligence, wisdom and compassion lead me to see them as true followers of their religion.  You make a number of assumptions about others, people you know nothing about.  My friends stay in the church because they are able to handle gray.  You know, the area between black and white……You are more than welcome to have your own beliefs.  Why do certain folks feel they have a right to judge, a right to tell others what to think and feel?  The Catholic Church does not own “marriage” any more than Universalists, Jews or any other denomination.  Marriage is a civil matter.  We need to go to city hall for that license in order to be legally married.  We do not need to go to a church, synagogue, temple, etc to be legally married. 

    • Anonymous

      All of my Catholic friends and family members support civil marriage for same-sex couples, actually!

      There is nothing sinful or wrong about two people blessed enough to find in one another a loving, supportive lifelong commitment. Our government should not discriminate against same-sex couples in offering the important protections of civil marriage— over 1,100 benefits and privileges are extended by our government based on marital status!

      Allowing same-sex civil marriage is the right thing to do. I hope most Mainers will join me in voting YES on question 1 in November!

      • Anonymous

        Your “Catholic” friends and family do not know their faith.   They have decided to put a popular view before God.  We cannot put our family and friends before God.  When was the last time any of actually went to a Catholic Mass, besides for Christmas or Easter?

        • Alec Cunningham

          Or for Flag Day….

        • Anonymous

          You have no idea about my Catholic friends and how they practice their faith. 

          I’m just stating my experience— that Catholics I know are far better people than the Catholic church wants them to be.

  • Anonymous

    I’m sure he’s right about that. Of course, molesting alter boys is also unfaithful to Catholic doctrine, but that doesn’t stop even those sworn to uphold the doctrine from turning a blind eye to it when it’s in their best interest. Maybe in this case, The Golden Rule should hold a little more sway than maleable Catholic doctrine (if you ever truly hope to get to heaven, that is.)

    • Anonymous

      I will agree the catholic church need to get the gay’s out of the church.

      • Anonymous

        Oh, they still want our MONEY.

  • Anonymous

    And the RC’s doctrine would be based  on?????   Nothing that Jesus said certainly….

  • Anonymous

    With all the religious arguments flying around I’m losing my faith in humanity….A YES win will restore some of my faith….

    Oh and yes if you don’t like Gay Marriage DON’T GET ONE!

  • Anonymous

    Catholic doctrine is unfaithful to “Love thy neighbor as thyself.”

    • Anonymous

       That doesn’t refer to rump ranging…

      • Anonymous

        How much time a day do you devote to daydreaming about that sex act, john?

        “Homophobia is apparently associated with homosexual arousal that the homophobic individual is either unaware of or denies.”

        http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8772014
         

        • Anonymous

           That tired canard was going around school yards long before you were recruited.

          • Anonymous

            You’re the one who told us you are fantasizing about “gay sex,” john.  That website is the National Institutes of Health.  Want some more documentation?

            http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/09/homophobia-homosexuality-gay_n_1412846.html

            “Homophobics should consider a little self-reflection, suggests a new study finding those individuals who are most hostile toward gays and hold strong anti-gay views may themselves have same-sex desires, albeit undercover ones.
            The prejudice of homophobia may also stem from authoritarian parents, particularly those with homophobic views as well, the researchers added.

            “This study shows that if you are feeling that kind of visceral reaction to an out-group, ask yourself, ‘Why?'” co-author Richard Ryan, a professor of psychology at the University of Rochester, said in a statement. “Those intense emotions should serve as a call to self-reflection.”

            The research, published in the April 2012 issue of the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, reveals the nuances of prejudices like homophobia, which can ultimately have dire consequences.

             Those participants who reported their heterosexuality despite having hidden same-sex desires were also the most likely to show hostility toward gay individuals, including self-reported anti-gay attitudes, endorsement of anti-gay policies and discrimination such as supporting harsher punishments for homosexuals.

            The research may help to explain the underpinnings of anti-gay bullying and hate crimes, the researchers note. People in denial about their own sexual orientation, perhaps a denial fostered by authoritarian and homophobic parents, may feel a threat from other gay and lesbian individuals. Lashing out may ultimately be an indicator of the person’s own internal conflict with sexual orientation.

            This inner conflict can be seen in some high-profile cases in which anti-gay public figures are caught engaging in same-sex acts, the researchers say. For instance, evangelical preacher and anti-gay-marriage advocate Ted Haggard was caught in a gay sex scandal in 2006. And in 2010, prominent anti-gay activist and co-founder of conservative Family Research Council George Rekers was reportedly spotted in 2010 with a male escort rented from Rentboy.com. According to news reports, the escort confirmed Rekers is gay.

            “We laugh at or make fun of such blatant hypocrisy, but in a real way, these people may often themselves be victims of repression and experience exaggerated feelings of threat,” Ryan said. “Homophobia is not a laughing matter. It can sometimes have tragic consequences,” as was the case in the 1998 murder of Matthew Shepard, a gay man.”

          • Anonymous

            Gays are not recruited. That is a falsehood. No one chooses to be gay.

          • Anonymous

            I’m sure he knows that, Boxmaker, but thank you.  That’s just a lie anti-gays tell in an effort to dehumanize LGBT Americans.

      • Anonymous

        . . . .it doesn’t refer to rump-ranging, or divorce, or pre-marital sex, or extra-marital sex, or co-habitation of opposite-sex partners before marriage, or re-marriage after divorce, or any form of birth control, or giving birth to a child outside of wedlock, not to mention marrying someone outside the faith you were born into. Imagine if all those things were made illegal in Maine because the Catholic bishops said so!

  • Anonymous

    When the Catholic Church stops protecting the sexual predators of innocent children who are within their ranks, then and only then will I take anything this church says seriously. 

    To protect known child molesters is certainly  “unfaithful to Catholic doctrine.”

  • Anonymous

    But, hiding pedophile priests and perhaps ignoring priests with their fingers in the collection basket is perfectly  sound Catholic doctrine, eh?

  • So is taking birth control, having your tubes tied, using condoms, having a vasectomy, etc, etc, etc. If you want to live in a theocracy goto Iran. This is America and it is a DEmocracy. In the words of Thomas Jefferson Christianity has never been part of the Constitution. 

    • Anonymous

       This nation is a Republic, not a democracy.

      • Anonymous

        And in this Republic, anti-gays DO NOT have the “right” to violate the United States Constitution’s guarantee of “Equal Protection Under the Law.”

        • Anonymous

           You have no fewer rights than I do. And you know it.

          • Anonymous

            That’s a lie.  And you know it.

          • Anonymous

            No, LGBT Americans DO NOT have the SAME right to legal marriage as mixed-sex couples do.  The Iowa State Supreme Court unanimously established marriage equality in April 2009, and this is their answer to “You have the same right to marry someone of the opposite sex as anyone else”:

            “It is true the marriage statute does not expressly prohibit gay and lesbian persons from marrying; it does, however, require that if they marry, it must be to someone of the opposite sex. Viewed in the complete context of marriage, including intimacy, civil marriage with a person of the opposite sex is as unappealing to a gay or lesbian person as civil marriage with a person of the same sex is to a heterosexual. Thus, the right of a gay or lesbian person under the marriage statute to enter into a civil marriage only with a person of the opposite sex is no right at all. Under such a law, gay or lesbian individuals cannot simultaneously fulfill their deeply felt need for a committed personal relationship, as influenced by their sexual orientation, and gain the civil status and attendant benefits granted by the statute. Instead, a gay or lesbian person can only gain the same rights under the statute as a heterosexual person by negating the very trait that defines gay and lesbian people as a class-their sexual orientation.”

            http://www.iowacourtsonline.org/Supreme_Court/Varnum_v_Brien/Supreme_Court_Ruling/

          • Anonymous

            No, LGBT Americans DO NOT have the SAME right to legal marriage as mixed-sex couples do.  The Iowa State Supreme Court unanimously established marriage equality in April 2009, and this is their answer to “You have the same right to marry someone of the opposite sex as anyone else”:

            “It is true the marriage statute does not expressly prohibit gay and lesbian persons from marrying; it does, however, require that if they marry, it must be to someone of the opposite sex. Viewed in the complete context of marriage, including intimacy, civil marriage with a person of the opposite sex is as unappealing to a gay or lesbian person as civil marriage with a person of the same sex is to a heterosexual. Thus, the right of a gay or lesbian person under the marriage statute to enter into a civil marriage only with a person of the opposite sex is no right at all. Under such a law, gay or lesbian individuals cannot simultaneously fulfill their deeply felt need for a committed personal relationship, as influenced by their sexual orientation, and gain the civil status and attendant benefits granted by the statute. Instead, a gay or lesbian person can only gain the same rights under the statute as a heterosexual person by negating the very trait that defines gay and lesbian people as a class-their sexual orientation.”

            http://www.iowacourtsonline.org/Supreme_Court/Varnum_v_Brien/Supreme_Court_Ruling/

    • Anonymous

      Although John is right it is a Republic as in “and to the Republic for which it stands.  One nation, under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all”.   Anyway, I digress.  If you are Catholic birth control of any kind is forbidden.  The rhythm method is the only method allowed and we all know how well that works.  But then, when the poor woman spits out kid after kid after kid does the church help take care of this brood?  Nope, they leave that to all the other churches with food pantries and aide and to the State of which they pay no taxes!  Oh, and where does all their “chairitable” money go?  To legislation or to overseas charities.  Hey Bishop, how about a little help for your own flock? 

  • Anonymous

    Once upon a time a man and woman get married and give birth to two little girls (I’m sure you know where this is going).  One little girl grows up and marries a man her father can’t stand.  He’s no good, doesn’t work, and worst of all cheats on his wife and hurts daddy’s little girl.  The second little girl grows up and oh horrors of horrors turns out she’s gay!  She finds a partner that treats her with love and respect, supports her unconditionally, and they live happily ever after-sort of.  Now, the daddy and mommy are good Catholics and daddy really loves his little girls and would do almost anything to keep them happy.  So, he does what good daddy’s do.  He is respectful of both his little girls’ feelings and never ever has a bad word to say about either of his daughter’s partners.  He welcomes them both into his house and does whatever he can to keep his little girls happy.  BUT…one of daddy’s little girls can’t marry her partner and it makes her so very, very sad.  Does daddy go with Mommy  to their voting place and vote for their little girl’s happiness?  Oh no, he can’t go against his religion!  Oh no, he can’t do what’s best for his little girl?  Why?  for no reason other then someone in the Catholic Church said he couldn’t.  so, both his little girls will have to suffer in silence till death do they part.  The end.   

    • Anonymous

      Oh by the way, I forgot to say in the beginning of the story that the daddy had been married before but he didn’t like that wife so after ten years of marriage he had it annuled and then married the new wife in the Catholic Church.  Good thing he had the money to buy that annulment!  Whew!

    • Anonymous

      wow, take a tranquilizer. It will all be over soon. 

      • Anonymous

        If this vote fails, we will bring it back for another vote, until we get equality.  It will ONLY be “over” when we have EQUALITY.

      • Anonymous

        sorry, I do get my panties in a twist about the RC.  Must have something to do with being brought up, raised, and then rejected by my own religion.  Oh yeah, so were the kids.  Sore subject.

  • Paul Kendrick

    It is inconceivable that Bishop Richard Malone would dare speak about the proper formation of Catholic conscience without first
    examining his own conscience.

    In secular terms, Bishop Richard Malone is the territorial senior vice-president of a worldwide corporation whose leadership and employees are responsible for more sex crimes against children than by any other institution in the world.

    Bishop Malone’s sister, Harriet Malone teaches Fine Arts at St. John’s Prep in Danvers, Mass. Harriet’s paintings and prints express pride and dignity for all people, including gays and lesbians.

    http://harrietmalone.com/artwork/1298885_Morning.html

    Paul Kendrick
    Freeport, ME

  • Anonymous

    So does that mean the priest who have been given a safe haven by the church while molesting children are any better than a Catholic person who votes for gay marriage? God forbid the Catholic church looks bad because they have a few Catholics who may have a gay son or daughter and support them. From the pope on down this church is a sick cult that not only are against gays but against women as well. Notice there are no female priest. Look where the pope sits and then look how mother Theresa lived yet Pope John Paul was given saint hood no questions yet Mother T was mentioned it took several years.

    • Anonymous

       What a bigot.

      • Anonymous

        Is there anything more HILARIOUS than anti-gays WHINING that their intended victims are “the real bigots”?

  • Guest

    I used to be a catholic.
    I’ll vote in favor of ssm.

    • Anonymous

      Thank you for your support.  You are protecting your own equality as well.

  • Anonymous

    If you want a say in politics start paying taxes. Until then keep your mouth shut.

    • Anonymous

       Let’s apply that to groups like Planned Parenthood as well, shall we?

      • Anonymous

        Why pick on Planned Parenthood?

        • Anonymous

          Right-wingers always claim that PP uses tax dollars on abortions, but of course, that’s just another right-wing lie.

          • Anonymous

            The Hyde Amendment is a farce.

          • Anonymous

            Deflect much?

        • Anonymous

           It’s not like you’re picking on the Catholic Church, right?

          • Anonymous

            I am picking on the organization not the religion.

  • Anonymous

    It is not worth your effort to discuss reasonalbly with him. He will call you ignorant, and possibly worse because you will not agree with him. No matter what you say.

    • Anonymous

      Exactly. Catholic = right, everyone else = wrong.

      • Anonymous

        I am not the one that will be the judge, though since some do not believe in Jesus, they only need to be concerned when the stand befoe him, but people still have the right to vote the way they want without being denigrated by the yes side. All you have to do is take a look at some of the comments.

        • Anonymous

          How many times are anti-gays going to WHINE that their opponents are “the real haters”?  When have we ever cooked up a Hate Vote to take away the rights of anti-gays?

  • Anonymous

    If the church insists on commenting about what laws should and should not go into effect, I am really going to need them to start paying their taxes. Fair, is, afterall, fair.

    • Anonymous

      It wouldn’t be so bad if all they did was “comment,” but we know Catholic bishops have made secret, illegal contributions to these anti-gay Hate Votes.

      The federal judge who revoked the 2008 California anti-gay H8te Vote that deprived LGBT Californians of existing marriage equality had in his possession an email Catholic bishops wrote to Mormon leaders agreeing to hide from public scrutiny and refuse to report their illegal cash and in-kind contributions to the H8te Vote as required by California law. The email serves as proof they knew by refusing to report these massive contributions they were violating campaign finance laws, as well as the letter itself being an act of criminal collusion.
       

  • Anonymous

    Hey “Bishop”. When you live in a crystal cathedral, don’t be throwing stones.

    • Anonymous

      A Catholic bishop in Southern California bought the “Crystal Cathedral.”

      • Anonymous

        Ayuh

  • Anonymous

    Apparently, Bishop Malone reads the Word of God and undestands that He considers homosexuality to be an abomination.    The Bishop is not speaking out of turn–he has every right to state what the church stands for. Why do those in the evangelical ranks who have spoken out for homosexual marriage have a right to do so, but some think the Bishop does not?
    Oh, I just remembered, it is a one-way street when the opposition liberals want to say and do.

    • Anonymous

      This isn’t a matter of his opening his mouth and threatening Catholics.  How much of Church funds did he spend on secret, illegal contributions to the 2009 anti-gay Hate Vote?

    • Marco Luxe

      Hey, he has a right to speak, but it’s the obligation for all thinking citizens evaluate his comments, then to discount his nonsense.  

      To paraphrase the bishop,  for all whose conscience has been properly formed by our Constitution cannot justify bowing to the unethical Roman church hierarchy that oppose the biblical golden rule of Jesus and the social justice teachings of their own Church.  

    • Anonymous

      It is pretty hypocritical to stand so strongly against a sin you have no problem avoiding, while ignoring the other things Leviticus calls an abomination— eating food over 3 days old, wearing mixed fabrics, or even eating shellfish.

      The truth is that civil marriage is a legal, secular institution, and it’s unfair and wrong to discriminate against Maine families for civil marriage rights. I hope the majority of Mainers will join me in voting YES on question 1 in November, so that all Maine families have the same opportunity for civil marriage to protect the lives they build together, and the children they raise together.

  • Anonymous

    Oh well.  It isn’t as if the Catholic church has been particularly faithful to their own doctrine.  History tells us they are the last self righteous bunch we should be listening to.  They have had more scandals, shifts, and schisms than they care to remember apparently.

    • Anonymous

       Would you say the same of Islam?

      • Anonymous

        No use trying to deflect, john.

      • Alec Cunningham

        The topic is the Catholic Church.  Why are you changing the subject?

        • Anonymous

          He certainly didn’t make any converts to homophobia in that subject, did he?

  • PaulNotBunyan

    Comments about “preaching politics” are just absurd. It seems to be acceptable when religious groups oppose gambling referendums or groups like the Quakers oppose war. I’m not catholic but from my understanding of their doctrine this is exactly what I would expect them to do.

    • Anonymous

       Scroll through my posts. You’ll see plenty of information provided.

      • Anonymous

        HAHAHAHAHAHAHA oh wait, you’re serious…

      • Anonymous

        Plenty of anti-gay deception so far, john, plus one example where you told us just what “gay sex” you’ve been fantasizing about.

      • PaulNotBunyan

        You’re wasting your time providing good information to some of these folks. I got a lot of mine years ago from library books. A lot of people are too apathetic to read that kind of stuff.

        • Anonymous

          What “good information” did he provide?  Several posters have caught him repeating standard anti-gay lies.  Just what information are you talking about, Paul?

          • PaulNotBunyan

            Like I have time to go through his many posts and write a synopsis. My comments here were only addressing some rather foolish comments on the “preaching politics” aspect. It’s not like they invented a new doctrine because this got on the ballot. According to them I’m destined to hell. The fact that I “refuse” to believe in papal infallibility or the assumption of Mary is more than enough.

          • Anonymous

            You don’t want to discuss the real issue at hand, all the lies your pal told about LGBT Americans, huh?  I don’t blame you for trying to deflect.

          • PaulNotBunyan

            You’re the one saying he’s my pal and I’m the one saying that you are a big jerk. Go stalk somebody else.

      • Anonymous

        More like plenty of anti-gay propaganda and your nasty anti-gay opinions…

    • Anonymous

      The issue isn’t the ex-bishop opening his mouth and blowing out his brains.  The anti-gay Hate Cult NOM is STILL trying to hide who their contributors are from 2009.  We can assume Bishop Malone’s name is on there, and it was Church funds he gave to NOM.

      • PaulNotBunyan

        You’re trying to make connections that aren’t warranted. Any ordained catholic priest would be expected to say the same thing he did. It’s their doctrine. Go to some country that’s at least 90% catholic and you would hear a lot more of it than you hear in this country.

        • Anonymous

          Spain has marriage equality.  Is Spain Catholic enough for you?  How about Argentina?  Marriage equality there also…

          • Anonymous

            And until NOM releases the names of its donors, why shouldn’t we believe that Malone made a secret, illegal contribution?  Catholic bishops in California got caught doing that the year before.

          • PaulNotBunyan

            I was referring to how catholic clergy are a lot more vocal in countries where they have a big majority. That doesn’t mean they always get their way.

          • Anonymous

            Yes, their flapping of their gums does no good.

  • Anonymous

    To john_koenig:
    “And just how was I “smacked, Joy? Because a flippant gay man with a chip on his shoulder tossed an insult?It doesn’t take much to impress you, does it?”

    No, because a “flippant gay man” provided an article full of information that proves you wrong.

    • Anonymous

      “a “flippant gay man””

      What that anti-gay poster is really saying is that LGBT Americans should not only be denied marriage equality, he thinks we should be denied freedom of speech.

  • Anonymous

    Another scare tactic from  the Catholic Church. That seems to be the basis of their religion so they don’t loose any members.

    • Anonymous

      and yet they have”lost”  over 100,000 in  Maine the last decade.  33% drop- pretty astounding.They might want to  think why and rethink their role in that.

  • Anonymous

    who cares.  They are so out of touch with the real world.

  • Anonymous

     Marriage 200 years  the church said it had to be a religious ceremony.   Try looking up the history of marriage it will be a eye opener  .

  • Marco Luxe

    I guess it was against “Catholic doctrine” to report pedophile priests to authorities.  The lesson being that these  bishops should be thoroughly ignored by civil society. 

  • Anonymous

    I can name quite a few things that are legal and against church doctrine.  I couldn’t care less what is against someone’s church doctrine.  Simply SAYING it is against church doctrine is silly.  So what?

  • Anonymous

    Molesting little boys is against church doctrine, but he didn’t seem to have a problem with that.

    • Believe you me friend Christ will judge those men for those crimes. The church will be held very accountable for the perversion that it inflicted upon the people. I have more scripture versus to post that they chose to not heed to because it tackles those issue’s of what the churches role truly is.

      • Anonymous

        No one is frightened of your nasty plaster deity, Mr. jewell.

  • Anonymous

    wish the Catholics would come out as strong against priests boning altar boys as they do against gay marriage.

    • Anonymous

      That’s like wondering why anti-gays, if they are so into “defending marriage,” that they don’t work to ban divorce.  Same answer–they want to mess with everyone else’s lives, but NOBODY better mess with theirs!

  • Anonymous

    Then Catholic doctrine must be unfaithful to the spirit of the Gospel.

    God condemns rape, not love. There is nothing sinful or immoral about two people who have found in one another an honest, supportive, committed lifelong relationship. And it’s an unconstitutional travesty that we discriminate against same sex couples in regards to the legal benefits of civil marriage.

    I am voting YES on question 1 in November, because all Maine families deserve the opportunity to enter into civil marriage, to protect the lives they build together, and the children they raise together.

    • I find it odd that you try to quote God and yet do not know Him. Here is what God’s Word say’s from the New Testament. I want to point out it’s not just homosexuals He mentions here but everyone else who is apart from Him and engaged in sin.

      1 Corinthians 6:7-11
      Now therefore, it is
      already an utter failure for you that you go to law against one another.
      Why do you not rather accept wrong? Why do you not rather let yourselves be cheated? 8 No, you yourselves do wrong and cheat, and you do these things to your brethren! 9 Do
      you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God?
      Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers,
      nor homosexuals,[a] nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And
      such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified,
      but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit
      of our God.

      • Anonymous

        None of the groups mentioned in that passage are prohibited from entering into civil marriage except homosexuals!
        The homosexuality mentioned in the Bible is exploitation and rape, not the committed love of two individuals seeking to protect the life they have built together.
        I stand by my statement that there is nothing sinful about being gay, and the spirit of the Gospel is for us to hold love in our hearts toward one another, help those less fortunate in our society, and shun the shallow materialism of worldly wealth. Same-sex couples entering into civil marriage is entirely compatible with the love of Jesus.

      • Anonymous

        Go right ahead and tell us all how hateful and hurtful your plaster deity is, but don’t be surprised when no one wants to join your church.

  • Anonymous

    Well… you know what they say about leading by example huh?  It has been shown that the Catholic church and its priests have been sexually abusing boys, and girls, for a long, long time and have done everything in their power to hide this atrocity and silence its victims, leaving them with no self respect and dignity whatsoever. 

    Allowing people… human beings… of the same sex who love each other and want to marry should not be denied.  At least, the relationship would be based in love, and honesty, and trust, which is a heck of a lot more in keeping up with Christ than these hypocrites who oppose it.  The Catholic church is losing power as rightly it should.  God is watching us.  And he will judge accordingly.  Be afraid. Be very afraid.    

    • Anonymous

      The Boy Scout leadership similarly tries to scapegoat LGBT Americans for their problem with sexual abuse of minors.

      • Anonymous

         Carrotcakeman… I likes you.  You got spunk.  March on soldier!  If anyone thinks that Christ is in opposition of this… they should remind themselves of the words of Christ… Whatsoever you do unto my brethren, you do unto me.  Christ would be tickled pink with their love.  I think some oppose this, because, perhaps, they feel that in the future there might be less children born for them to abuse and brainwash.

        • Anonymous

          (blush)

  • Anonymous

    Nice try BISHOP…catholics will prayerfully and faithfully make a decision They always have.

    • Anonymous

      63% of Catholics nationwide support marriage equality.  That’s more than the general population. 

      • Anonymous

         and 97% of catholic women use birth control not the rythym method .

        • Anonymous

          That is also a good thing.  I’m proud of lay Catholics.

  • Anonymous

    To schmidlap:
    “the repercussions of ssm will be the downfall of our civilization, what will our children be taught in schools about families and about parents based on a minute minority of people? ” – Really?  Because Canada seems to be doing just fine.  Have any evidence to back up your claim?  I won’t hold my breath…

  • Anonymous

    You do realize that “sodomites” includes plenty of straight people, right?

    • Anonymous

      I guess he’s suggesting that’s another “special right” for mixed-sex couples only.

      • Anonymous

        Bahahahahah!!!!

  • Anonymous

    Is ignoring accusations of Molestation faithful to the Catholic doctrine?

  • Anonymous

    …….and do most people really CARE what he  thinks? He didn’t seem to care, or speak out when “his” priests were having sex with little boys. The Catholic Church is a disgusting mess. They have lost their right to speak out about any type of human behavior.  Stay in New York, Bishop Malone, and keep your thoughts and ideas to yourself.

  • Anonymous

    “Sodomites”?  How much time a day do you fantasize about “gay sex” like you just did?  Scientists already know why you fantasize about “gay sex”:

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2010/05/05/the-christian-rights-gay-problem.html

    “In 1996, three researchers from the University of Georgia published a study in the Journal of Abnormal Psychology about the links between homophobia and homosexual arousal. The authors, Henry E. Adams, Lester W. Wright, Jr., and Bethany A. Lohr, started with 35 straight men identified as homophobic and 29 straight men that were not. Both groups were shown heterosexual, lesbian and gay male porn while their erectile responses were measured. “Only the homophobic men showed an increase in penile erection to male homosexual stimuli,” reported the researchers.

    It was empirical evidence for a theory long popular among psychoanalysts: that those most hostile to gay people are often driven by terror and shame about their own desires.”

  • There is no question that this will lead to the erosion of the rights of those who are not gay. It has already started in other states, lawsuits being brought under the guise of the new found rights of gay marriage. I will not be able to live my religion and my conscious should this pass. Plain and simple, this law does not protect the religious liberties of individuals, and it never will because this group wants to have themselves an extra helping of “rights” that a special interest group gets. They want to force me and mine to abandon my faith and my beliefs. The only protection afforded is in defined religious houses. My house, my business  my rights are not protected from this. People will be forced to violate their basic principles. If you do not believe it, just look at what happened out at treworgys this week. Bullying, plain and simple. I will not be bullied, I stand with those who do not support gay marriage. 

    • Anonymous

      Then don’t support it. No one is saying you have to. 

      But if you discriminate against a gay couple, then you need to accept the punishment because it is against the law. No different than if it were black people, Jews or Muslims.

    • Washington County

      You are 100% right. I retired so I would not be force to do gay marriage as a vendor.

      • Anonymous

        Society is better off with you retired. Enjoy your retirement. 

        • Washington County

          I will

          • Anonymous

            I hope you find something better to do with your time than to come here and say you would have violated Maine law if you had the chance before you retired.

    • Anonymous

      You are so wrong.  You can continue to believe whatever you want to believe.  Just like the mormons believed for years (until 1978!!!) that blacks were inferior and could never be full priests in the church…at least until financially and socially they recognized their bigotry was harming the world’s view of the mormon religion…

    • Anonymous

      You are full of baloney.They sky is not falling;  the sun will rsise the day after election . 

    • Anonymous

      so you are all for discrimination

    • Anonymous

      You will see that gays married over 4,000 years a go  an religion  did not come into play till 200 years age  an it was the church that said it had to be a regilious thing .  Do a search on the history of marriage

    • Anonymous

      What’s the matter, didn’t you read the article in the BDN a day or two ago that documented that was just more anti-gay LIES?

    • Anonymous

      This has nothing to do with gay marriage, and the lawsuits you refer to were not in regards to gay marriage, but rather the fact that those states extended anti-discrimination laws to include sexual orientation (those same laws also protect your choice of religious views).

      Maine passed those same laws in 2005, and there have been no ‘flood of lawsuits’ as opponents then warned.

      The truth is that we should treat Mainers equally under our laws, and civil marriage is about our treatment by our government under our laws.

    • Anonymous

      Why is it that you haven’t come back here and gave us some examples.  Is it because you know if you get specific we will be able to prove you’re lying?

    • Anonymous

       While I respect your right to your beliefs, whether they are right or wrong is a matter of personal choice as God gave us all the right to free will.  Your house? Your business? Your rights are not protected?  What about the same argument in regards to your fellow human beings who are gay?  We are all his children in God’s eyes.  No one john, no one is asking you to violate your basic principals or beliefs.  Why should a straight couple be afforded more rights than a gay couple?  What truly makes you believe that straight couples are more special in God’s eyes than a gay couple?  If you believe that the only protection you are afforded is in defined religious houses, you must be very weak minded as some religious houses promote abuse and claim their actions as God’s will.  No one is is asking for more than equality in the eyes of the law for all.  You would not be able to live your religion and your conscious if this should pass?  Come on… are you serious?  Maybe you should revisit what your religion is teaching and your conscious.  It always is amazing to hear some of the arguments against free will and equality for all.  If you claim you will not be bullied… then why then… are you practicing this very same behavior?  A special interests group extra helping of  ‘rights’?  What makes you think that you are so special, to deny anyone else the same rights which are afforded you?

  • Anonymous

    geee I thought the church said they were going to stay out of  it THIS time.  They LIED?? Isn’t  that unfaithful too?

    • Anonymous

      Considering that the anti-gay Hate Cult NOM violated Maine law AGAIN and HID their contributors, how do we know Malone DIDN’T make more secret, illegal contributions from Church coffers?

  • Leviticus 18:22-30

    22 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination. 23 Nor shall you mate with any animal, to defile yourself with it. Nor shall any woman stand before an animal to mate with it. It is perversion. 24 ‘Do
    not defile yourselves with any of these things; for by all these the
    nations are defiled, which I am casting out before you. 25 For the land is defiled; therefore I visit the punishment of its iniquity upon it, and the land vomits out its inhabitants. 26 You shall therefore keep My statutes and My judgments, and shall not commit any of these abominations, either any of your own nation or any stranger who dwells among you 27 (for all these abominations the men of the land have done, who were before you, and thus the land is defiled), 28 lest the land vomit you out also when you defile it, as it vomited out the nations that were before you. 29 For whoever commits any of these abominations, the persons who commit them shall be cut off from among their people.
    30 ‘Therefore you shall keep My ordinance, so that you do not commit any of these abominable customs which were committed before you, and that you do not defile yourselves by them: I am the Lord your God.’”

    • Anonymous

      Well, good thing the bible is completely unrelated to law.

    • Anonymous

      If Leviticus is to be the law of the land then women will not be allowed to go out in public for work or for recreational purposes while their menstrual blood is flowing. Men are forbidden to have social intercourse with menstruating women according to Leviticus. A man can’t sit anywhere a menstruating woman has sat lest they should be committing an abomination in the eyes of God.      

      • Anonymous

        especially if the menstruating woman is not wearing a sanitary napkin

    • Anonymous

      Modern Biblical scholars have proven the Bible was intentionally mistranslated relatively recently in order to provide “Biblical cover” for then-rising levels of homophobia.  For example, the word “homosexual” didn’t even exist until 1870.  Many major Christian and Jewish denominations condemn misusing the hate-based mistranslations to attack their fellow Americans and are marrying same gender American couples now.  About 400-years ago, a group of religious authorities (sanctioned by King James I of England), secretly manipulated the English version of the Bible to reflect their own heterosexual attitude; they opposed the king kissing other men in public. But in revised versions, religious authorities re-defined the Greek word “arsenokoites” of 1Corinthians 6:9!  The most accurate translation, abusers of themselves with mankind [KJV], was pretty vague.  Nevertheless, they replaced this vague 5-worded text with the not so vague and purposely targeted 1-word text, “homosexual(s).” Either way you cut it, this text does not describe homosexuals. This campaign gave those who were looking for a reason to justify their own homophobia a license to openly express their bigotry.
       

    • Anonymous

      So do you feel personally that gays and lesbians in Maine should be put to death?

      • Anonymous

        “Dominion Christians” want to do that.  Wiki their founder, R. J. Rushdoony, and you will see he had a whole list of Americans they want to round up and commit genocide.

  • That is humanity in a nutshell along with 1 Corinthians 6

    9 Do
    you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God?
    Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers,
    nor homosexuals,[a] nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And
    such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified,
    but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit
    of our God. 

    • Anonymous

      We are instructed in the Bible to call no man on earth Our Father and to pray privately and in our own words avoiding “vain repetitions.” When Father O’Malley instructs you to say ten Hail Marys, he is acting in direct opposition to the Bible by instructing you to chant in words that are not your own. And you are acting in direct opposition to the Bible by calling him ‘Father.’

      There is nothing anywhere in the Bible that tells us Mary is the Queen of Heaven or that she has any special powers of intercession between God and man.

    • Anonymous

      The word “homosexual” didn’t even exist until 1870.  See why we know that you’re reading from a FAKE Bible? 

    • Anonymous

      The Bible says far more in support of slavery than it says against homosexuality.

      Even Pat Robertson acknowledges that there are passages in the bible which are a product of their times, that as we have learned to understand each other’s humanity better, we realize that Jesus’ commandment for us to love one another trumps minutia from apostles’ writings about holding slaves and keeping women silent. Biblical passages regarding homosexuality should be viewed in this light— they were not written against the committed love of a couple seeking to marry, they were written against the victimization and violent rape that was occurring in those ancient societies.

      I am voting YES on question 1 in November, because we should offer ALL Mainers the opportunity to protect the lives they build together with civil marriage.

  • What was Darwin thought in it libtards ?

  • Anonymous

    The Catholic Church has lost its integrity, thus its legitimacy as well.  They really should work on that before giving anyone advice…ever!    

  • Anonymous

    DID JERRY SPRINGER BUY THE BDN

  • Anonymous

    Who cares who marries who because they are  gay or straight . Who cares about every opinion stated for or against ssm. Who cares what I do in my relationship straight or gay. Who cares who you are in bed with same sex or opposite. Who cares who visits me or you in the hospital. Who cares who owns a home with me and splits property tax. Who cares who hates me or you. Who cares about their religious beliefs.Who cares how many kids gays or straights have. Who cares if your Republican, Democrat or Independent. I could go on all day but there is only one answer it is “I do.” See that is the answer for each person straight, gay, bisexual or transgender individual it is the same answer “I do.” I believe that is why we all live in the United States because we  are free to be any religion, have the right to free speech, have the right to elect our federal leaders and most importantly that we are all treated equal and have the right to  be treated the same under our Constitution. So you and I are free to support or not the Gay Marriage Act. But we also are afforded the right to not be persecuted for our own choices as long as it is lawful. So maybe before you bash someone who believes in gay marriage or not stop and think that your lucky to live in the US and not be persecuted for your lifestyle. If you choose not to vote in favor for the marriage act that’s OK but don’t persecute someone for their beliefs in that it is equal and fair.  For what you feel is right today could be and should be is your opinion and we all have the right to our opinion right or wrong. So every person is free to vote their conscience and it makes it very important to go vote on every issue because it is yours and my right to vote freely without intimidation.  To vote is to express an individual opinion because we are a democratic state. I guess that leads to this don’t bash people on either side of the questions because it is your opinion and my opinion and we all get just one vote. So go to the poll , close the curtain and vote what is justified in your heart and head. Election Day is Nov. 6th so I guess we will see all of you at polling place to cast your very important vote not only for ssm but also for our Congressional representation and President because every single vote is important and is mot certainly right. 

  • Anonymous

    There is a book in which a priest relates an incident where his church was involved in litigation. Having a brother who was Catholic  and an attorney the priest asked the brother to represent his parish. His brother an astute legal scholar agreed the parish was legally in the right. However since it was a small city he would not represent the Church because of ramifications from some in his community. His brother the priest softly replied: “You are a Catholic who walks right UP to the cross.”
    I think we are seeing a few Catholics who are walking right up to the cross but not willing to crucified for enbracing its teachings.
    As for me, I think I would described myself as a” doubting Thomas” when it comes to same sex marriage. There is no known gene and no psychiatric group defining a cause of an attraction to same sex. We do not as yet know what it is . I see the ads and most are anecdotal….of course there are parents who do not want to deny their children ANYTHING which they want I understand that in today’s culture.  Just some food for thought before you vote on “love” or “feelings”…remember Subaru is all about “love” too……..and I am not buying a car based on “love” nor “gay marriage” based wholly on “feelings.”

  • Anonymous

    This could be considered interesting.  The Vatican took to months to review the new book, “Saint Paul’s Joke”, and they found no factual, or analytical errors.  A minor factor in “Saint Paul’s Joke” is that it points out same-sex is NOT anti-Christ Doctrine.  It was not opposed by Jesus, Peter, James, or Paul — even though, even Caesar openly married a man.

    In fact, Paul taught that, while his Gentile converts you should stay single and celibate — and widows should too — if you had to have sex, [Gay or Straight] it was necessary to marry.

    Of course, their are many who reject the literal word of scripture — many represent the Church and are eventually exposed, or expose themselves through their anti-scripture statements and teachings.  But have them override the Second Commandment of only two which Jesus declared and the Catholic Church should support:  Do not deny you neighbor what you would want for yourself… if you do not want marriage, deny it to your neighbor … otherwise, Catholics are required to yield to their Lord what he demanded … the right for two people, who love each other, to enter into a life-long matrimonial bond.

  • Anonymous

    Let people live the way they want to live..  who cares  doesn’t effect my life  And I don’t think anyone has the right to tell others who to marry and who can’t. Espicially the Catholic church.  they had some evil dwellings in their  house of the lord. 

  • Anonymous

    Then  don’t get married in a Catholic Church.  Get married in a Temple they will accept you.

    • Anonymous

      These denominations have married same gender couples in 7 US States and the District of Columbia:

      The Association of Welcoming and Affirming Baptists
      The Episcopal Church
      Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
      Metropolitan Community Church
      Conservative Judaism
      Reform Judaism
      Religious Society of Friends (Quakers)
      Unitarian Universalist Church
      United Church of Christ

  • Maureen Cormier

    Bishop Malone, it is also against Catholic doctrine to sexually abuse those to young to speak up for themselves, much less abuse anyone and then to cover up the abuse for years.

    It has been proven that no one chooses to be gay, although I suspect you would dispute that. To accept that would mean that God in fact made us all in his image and likeness as I was taught many years ago in the Baltimore Catechism and that he made gays the way they are. I can’t imagine anyone choosing to be gay and subjecting themselves to the disdain and hatred of some people. I believe that because God made us all, that he would want us to treat each other equally and even though I was raised Catholic, I will be casting my vote for equality for all.

  • Anonymous

    Ok… lets play pretend… run with me on this one.  What if I said.. I believe Christ was a space cowboy… a time traveler if you will… and, he was sent back by his father, our Lord God… to save us, his children, the humans that he created, from the parasites that have infected his children and his world and threaten to annialate all humanity, however, in honoring free will which is a gift from our Lord… it is up to us, each and every one of us.  His hands are tied… much like they were once before.  Wake up people!  Like the song says… This ain’t no party… this ain’t no disco… this ain’t no fooling around!  Humanity.  Let your voices be heard!  Before we are all silenced eternally.

    • Anonymous

      Ok, let’s NOT pretend.  It’s today. Real world.  A young girl is raped and gets pregnant, and the catholic church says abortion is a sin.  SHe gives birth and the father gets child visitation.  Yup.  Could happen.

      • Anonymous

        What makes you think that this has not been happening already?  The Catholic church has not exactly been upfront and on the up and up about the things they do behind closed doors have they?  They have no business dictating to anyone about morals, Christ’s will, or the inhumanity they promote and support.  This should not be anyone’s choice or decision but for the pregnant mother. I would hope that the rapist, if the identity of such were known… would be in jail, and would not have visitation.  And for the sake of, and sanity of, the child and mother, should never have.  Not exactly the nurturing, loving kind ya know?  Nothing humane to ever come out of an inhumane act on any level.  

        • Anonymous

           For anyone to even suggest that a child conceived by rape is God’s work or God’s plan is  ludicrous and I believe our Lord is weeping for the thought.

    • Anonymous

      Are you saying that this homophobia that the anti-gays want to spread with all their hate speech and lies is the disease we need to prevent taking over humankind?

      • Anonymous

         One of them… yes siree… the prejudice has got to stop!     

        • Anonymous

          Don’t worry, support for marriage equality is growning 5% every YEAR, meaning there are also at least 5% FEWER anti-gays every year.

  • Anonymous

    LOL, is he going to whisper in God’s ear and tell Him not to let you into heaven? What a joke. 

  • Anonymous

    Because I can read?

    • Anonymous

      Wow…Keith is a special kind of person.  Only can understand what falls into his narrow world view.  Sad.

  • Tedlick Badkey

    Meh… I would expect no different.

    Not to mention Catholics appear to lie when it suits them.

    http://pamshouseblend.firedoglake.com/2012/10/14/former-chairman-of-catholic-charities-of-boston-calls-preserve-marriage-washington-on-its-lies/

    Why does anyone listen anymore?

  • Anonymous

    Ladies, so is using birth control…

    • Anonymous

      It’s so much easier to point your finger at someone else though.

  • Anonymous

    You talking to the “man” in the mirror?

  • Anonymous

    The sodomites (Levitically speaking) and their liberal enablers are hell-bent on destroying the institution of marriage. They will stop at nothing in advancing an agenda of perversion that disregards moral sensibility and reverence of God. 

    • Anonymous

      Their mere existence will destroy other marriages?

      • maineiac123

         I’ve often wondered why they say that.  I did a check on marriages in Massachusetts after they permitted SSM and found that there was no measurable difference in the marriage or divorce rate amongst opposite sex couples.   Also can’t figure out why it should have any effect on my marriage either.   I must be missing something.

        • Anonymous

          Massachusetts has the lowest divorce rate of any US State.

    • Tedlick Badkey

      Diarrhea of the mouth… running on with the same old ****.

      Got anything original? 

    • Anonymous

      Please stop discussing your sexual fantasies here.  We know why you always want to discuss “gay sex,” scientists proved it:

      “Homophobia is apparently associated with homosexual arousal that the homophobic individual is either unaware of or denies.”

      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8772014

      • Anonymous

        you are weird

        • Anonymous

          So the documentation makes you uncomfortable, sweetie?

    • Anonymous

      Completely wrong!

      I am totally supportive of traditional marriage AND same-sex marriage!

      No one voting Yes on 1 is seeking to prevent any couples from getting married!

    • Anonymous

      As a Protestant I think Catholics are idolators. Most of our Founding Fathers were Protestants who abhorred the influence of the Catholic Church on European governments not to mention its deceptive influence over the souls of the people of Europe. Corrupt practices like the selling of indulgences, fooling the gullible into thinking that bribes paid to the Catholic Church would buy the salvation of their souls are one of the major reasons why our Founders wanted to nullify the influence of churches on government.

  • Anonymous

    Still more name calling…you are just a font of wisdom and intellect aren’t you?

  • Ben Hutchins

    That any of this illusory malarkey is even a basis for conversation, much less mainstream news, in the year 2012 is incredibly depressing.  Perhaps, if we can’t all quite manage to grow up and move past the invisible skyfather business quite yet, it’s at least time we started classifying people who work for the Vatican and tell U.S. citizens how to vote as agents provocateurs in the employ of a tyrannical and hostile foreign dictator.  After all, the pope, with his hundred-acre kingdom (a gift from that renowned 20th-century friend of liberty and justice Benito Mussolini),  is quite preposterously the last absolute monarch in the Western world.

  • Anonymous

    Yep I knew this was gonna stoke the fire.

  • Anonymous

    Ever notice when the talk is about Christianity and LGBT Americans, some people just start screaming some nonsense that “those LGBT Americans (and that isn’t what they call us!) are trying to destroy Christianity!”  That’s stupid to say that.  Sure, there are some really rotten people that say they are Christians and that tell shameful lies about LGBT Americans, but what about all the welcoming and affirming Christians that have married same gender couples in 7 US States and the District of Columbia?

  • This I do not get . Why are not most the post removed like the superintendent of the year award????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? 

  • Anonymous

    I’ve got it!  Gay marriage, no no  Buggering little boys- don’t talk about it!

  • Anonymous

    I’m pretty sure that screwing kids is also against catholic doctrine.  interesting how they pick and choose their issues.

  • Anonymous

    God made gay animals so god made gay people

  • Anonymous

    funny they thought it was ok to bring diversity to lewiston??????????????/

  • I am  a lesbian in a mans’ body. 

    • Alec Cunningham

      So you feel that you should be a woman?

  • Anonymous

    You could put the respect I have for the bishop in one small corner of his tri-cornered hat, which must have been designed to fit a tri-cornered brain.  So it’s okay for pedophile priests to destroy children’s lives, but same sex marriage is a no-no?
    And you wonder why so many left this poor-excuse-for-a-church?  Jesus must be mighty proud of you, bishop.  Color me “glad I left.”

  • Anonymous

    Richard, keep your views in NY please, we don’t need them here anymore= leave Maine alone to make up its own mind -THANK YOU!! G W G

  • Do you know what I find amusing is that all of you pretend that there is no God based upon what evidence…the evolutionary theory? You all seem to believe that man came into existence billions and billions of years ago and that life spontaneously came into being from nothing! Well if you remember science class in high school or even college those scientific law’s were discussed that, “life cannot spontaneously generate from nothing”.

    So it leads me into this verse, ” In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was without form, and void; and darkness as[a] on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters. ” Genesis 1:1

    So in the beginning God created the heavens and not billions and billions of years of nothing coming all together at one time and created life.

    Do you all know the mathematical equation for that event to truly take place!
    Assume that, at each mutational step, there is equally as much chance
    for it to be good as bad. Thus, the probability for the success of each
    mutation is assumed to be one out of two, or one-half. Elementary
    statistical theory shows that the probability of 200 successive
    mutations being successful is then (½)200, or one chance out of 1060. The number 1060,
    if written out, would be “one” followed by sixty “zeros.” In other
    words, the chance that a 200-component organism could be formed by
    mutation and natural selection is less than one chance out of a
    trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion! Lest anyone think that
    a 200-part system is unreasonably complex, it should be noted that even
    a one-celled plant or animal may have millions of molecular “parts.

    And yet you all believe in evolution and a that there is no God. Tell me people if evolution is the process of continual progression and a higher being then why are there no monkeys coming out of the Amazon as human beings? If evolution were true and there is no God then evolutionary theory would no longer be taught or labeled a , “theory”, is would be evolutionary fact; which by the way with all our current technology still has not gotten evolutionists any closer to claiming their theory to be true.

    I know that no matter what science or evidence I put out there all of it will never truly be met with intelligent reasoning, but with cynicism and lewdness.

    Reason being is that all you want to do is justify your sin and the reason why you do it, and how dare a God tell you that what your doing is wrong, and how dare a book which has stood the test of time tell direct and guide your life towards repentance and to ever lasting life.

    10 out of 10 people die friends..a daunting statistic really, and if any of you truly think that apart from Christ that you can make it into heaven based upon your good deeds alone, well then I have bad news for your because the Word of God say’s that, ” No one is righteous, no not one” Romans 3:10

    It’s a heart condition and nothing less or more than that. You choose not know God because you don’t want to know God and yet He knows you, and He love’s you, and He sent His son Jesus to die for you and I for our sin, John 3:16.

    All of you can say nothing but four letter expletives and lewd comments to what I have just said..and that’s fine because I was like you too so I understand.

    Just know that one day you will die and whether you want to believe it or not God is real, His son Jesus is real, and that there is an eternity and there is a hell. And friend if you truly think hell is a place to party and live it up with all you friends you are dead wrong.

    Just think about this…ever seen Ghost Adventures, T.V Show’s like True Haunting and the Amity-ville House documentary with the photo’s and video footage?

    That stuff is real, and it is demonic, and it is the name and only the name of Jesus that cast’s those devils and evil spirits right out, and no other name.

    Don’t believe me…look it up for yourself and you will know exactly what will be in hell.

    But remember once your gone and death has taken you there are only two places you will be and there is no coming back. Don’t laugh in God’s face and think that nothing will come of it friends…that’s not how He roll’s.

    • Anonymous

      “You choose not know God because you don’t want to know God” – Yes, I do, because your god seems like a jerk.

      “Just think about this…ever seen Ghost Adventures, T.V Show’s like True Haunting and the Amity-ville House documentary with the photo’s and video footage?” – What?

      “That stuff is real, and it is demonic” – HAHAHAHAHAHA so to you, shaky cameras are proof of ghosts

      “And friend if you truly think hell is a place to party and live it up with all you friends you are dead wrong.” – Nope, if you are right about god, hell will be an awesome place.  I’ll be there will all my friends and my boyfriend AND we’ll be away from all the stuffy homophobes like you.

      • Tedlick Badkey

        He’s a special kind of crazy, no?

        • Anonymous

          Oh yes, yes he is…

    • Tedlick Badkey

      If there is a god, it isn’t well represented by the catholic liars.

      I love it when you guys get so desperate you fall back on fear and spooky tales. It’s funny.

    • Anonymous

      What does this have to do with the legitimate need for civil marriage rights gay and lesbian couples have?

    • maineiac123

       “You all seem to believe that man came into existence billions and
      billions of years ago and that life spontaneously came into being from
      nothing!”  Really? People who believe in evolution believe that?  I hardly think so.  I’ve often wondered though where your god came from?  And why he stopped talking to people 2000 years ago.  Larygnitis?

    • Anonymous

      People who do not understand science really shouldn’t try to explain it.

      Adam, you are not only wrong in your understanding of how things work (evolution and mutation) but you also have no understanding of the terms themselves. Evolution has nothing to do with the beginning of life which is called Abiogenesis. 

      You also seem to overlay your wishes over the facts. Evolution is firmly accepted as the explanation for changes of characteristics over successive generations. Your misunderstanding of the concept is appalling.

      As for your belief in the ghosts and other supernatural occurrences, you do realize that the sources you cite are TV programs right? The fact remains that there is no credible proof of the existence of the supernatural. 

      With this lack of understanding, there is little wonder as to why you accept the superstitious ramblings of iron age desert dwellers as “the word of God”.  

      -J

    • Anonymous

      Yawn…

    • Anonymous

      Tough luck on your threatening us with your evil plaster deity, Mr. jewell, your evil plaster deity made contact with the United States Constitution and was immediately turned to DUST by the POWER of the Constitution.

  • Anonymous

    To Keith Colby: ‘Wrong again” No, what you are replying to is factually accurate.  Just because you refuse to accept reality does not make me “wrong again” it make you look stupid.

  • Anonymous

    Thank you, Bishop Malone, for laying it on the line for all the unfaithful “Catholics” out there.  There are many of us who miss you, as you have been the best bishop to defend the faith in Maine that we have had for decades.

    • Tedlick Badkey

      You mean the faithful ones that ignore the catholic church lying to the entire nation?

      Those faithful ones?

    • Anonymous

      63% of American Catholics support marriage equality.  Malone is unamerican. 

  • He’s worried about redefining marriage when most priests are out poking an altar boy.

    • Alec Cunningham

      I’m not sure “most” is appropriate.  There are many good Catholic priests and church members.

      • maineiac123

         Yes but would you trust your son alone around any of them?

  • R. Kenneth Lindell

    I’m quite proud to be unfaithful to the Catholic docterine. #mepolitics

  • MARINE73

    No, this issue is NOT about family and how we treat each other.  This issue is about whether or not homosexual sex is acceptable.  It’s not about love, it’s not about rainbows, it’s about the sin of homosexuality.  If anyone is scared by the truth, then so be it because it is what it is.  Homosexuality is an abomination to God, it’s a sin.  Anyone who votes in favor of homosexual marriage  is unfaithful to  more than just Christian doctrine, they are unfaithful to God Himself.  

    • Tedlick Badkey

      LOL! I love you guys. You’re great!

      See, the sex isn’t the issue, that’s just what you’re obsessed with.

      That and the silly notion that somehow your religion should be civil law.

      Sorry to tell you… it’s not. Not now, not ever. You can have your god, but it’s not everyone’s god. Stop trying to make it so.

    • Anonymous

      I don’t believe in your god, so your magic rules don’t apply to me.

      • I see that you took of the ability to reply from your last comment because I think that you cannot handle someone challenging you the way you like to challenge people.

        You did not answer my question to the Book of Matthew in regards to what Law was Jesus talking about. So once again the ball is in your court.

        Two about being a decent human being…please that’s all you can come up with. Really?

        As for the devil being cool, and only killing ten people in the bible…you are so very wrong and would challenge you to research that.

        If the devil gave us critical thinking why is the human race so messed up?

        If the devil only killed 10 people what about all the Jew’s that died under Hitler and the Third Reich? There was more than ten there, and Hitler was a very demonic man.

        If the devil only killed 10 people what about all of the people that die under the name of Islam?
        What they believe in destroys, kills, and enslaves women, children and men. They have killed many people in the name of Islam.

        I can clearly see that you do not know history, nor know anything about the God of the Bible, and that is evident by your responses.

        If you choose hell that is your choice, but friend that is not place where you and your boyfriend will be living in peace. It is a place where the devil and unrepentant sinners burn for ever.

        That’s your call…not God’s.

        • Anonymous

          “You did not answer my question to the Book of Matthew in regards to what Law was Jesus talking about. So once again the ball is in your court. ” – Yes, actually, I did.  The fact that you can’t read isn’t my problem.

          “As for the devil being cool, and only killing ten people in the bible” – He only killed the 10 children of Job and only because of a bet god made with him.

          “If the devil gave us critical thinking why is the human race so messed up?” – Organized Religion

          “If the devil only killed 10 people what about all the Jew’s that died under Hitler and the Third Reich? There was more than ten there, and Hitler was a very demonic man.” – I’ll just leave this quote here “”My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter”

          “If the devil only killed 10 people what about all of the people that die under the name of Islam?” – Muslims worship the same Abrahamic god that you do.

          “I can clearly see that you do not know history, nor know anything about the God of the Bible, and that is evident by your responses.” – That applies more to you, sweet cheeks.

          “If you choose hell that is your choice, but friend that is not place where you and your boyfriend will be living in peace. It is a place where the devil and unrepentant sinners burn for ever.” – That’s lovely. I don’t care.  Why?  Because I think you are full of crap and everything you have said up to this point just proves me right.

    • Anonymous

      God condemns rape, not love.

      There is nothing sinful about two people blessed in this life to find one another and form a supportive, lifelong commitment. We should applaud and encourage more families to enter into the important contract of civil marriage, not discourage it!

      • Convivialvisits you keep saying that God condemns rape but not love. What God are you talking about; the God of the Bible or just a general God of a higher authority?

        Let me just say God is not a grab bag that you personally pick and choose His attributes. God is the all in all, the first, and the last, He has always existed and always will. In that case if you believe in God would it be safe to say that He created the universe and all that is in it? 

        To say God condemns rape but not love is a personal quote from either you or somewhere else. Can I ask where you got that quote from?

        • Anonymous

          If you hold God in your heart, you know my words are true. Holding judgement and distain for gays and lesbians is not what Jesus would want.

          Let all of God’s children be treated equally by our government— our churches will continue to be free to accept or reject anyone for marriage ceremonies, though I would personally not want to be a member of a church who shunned a happy, supportive couple seeking sincere fellowship.

          I have seen you quoting Leviticus— do you personally believe gay and lesbian Mainers should be put to death?

          • Let me ask you this Convivial. You say this is not what Jesus would want, and yet he quotes the old testament in regards to sinners. You cannot live in sin, whether it be adultery, perversion, drunkenness, homosexuality etc…

            It’s all the same…you…me the same. Apart from Christ and living in sin is wrong. If I commit adultery on my wife, look at pornography, drink my self silly and call myself a Christian I would not only be a lair but a hypocrite and as one would be separated from Christ if I were to die in that sin truly unrepentant.

            The Leviticus law was for the Jewish Nation as they are a special and chosen people of God and He had very special rules that they needed to abide by. Sin is a big deal to God Convivial. So big that He sent His Son to die for us. So serious that he created hell for the devil and the demons to punish them for eternity in the burning lake of fire, and those who chose not to repent and ask for forgiveness, though that is not what He want’s for you, me or anyone. If people choose that for themselves He will not force your hand, for what is love and true repentance if it is forced?

            Not only do I deserve to die for my sin…and there is much I have to be repentant for, but you and everyone else deserves to die as well.

            Think of all the religions and faith’s in this world. How many of them say that God will die for you because of humanity’s sin? Not one. Not one will say that. Only Christianity. Why? To understand that you have to understand the Old Testament. To understand the Old Testament you have to read it. Which means not just reading it, but talking to God while your reading it and asking Him real, honest, and genuine questions about Him, His Son, and His plan for your life.

            Christians are not perfect people Convivial and those who say that they are commit the sin of pride. No one is perfect here on earth. I see allot of posts about Catholics and to be honest…they have allot to do with Church History and allot of horrible things, though in the Book of Revelation Christ Jesus has much to say about the Church period and what would happen. That’s why Martin Luther combated the Church and started the reformation of the church.

            They like everyone will be accountable, though those who are in the authority of God’s Word to a lost world will be held even more accountable. I have several New Testament versus to back that up if you want them.

            Point and case. God does not want anyone to perish, but for all to come and have ever lasting life though His Son Jesus. I have nothing against people who are gay.They are sinners just like me, but the issue is that gay’s cannot be in that lifestyle and be reconciled with Christ.

            It’s a sin…just like all the others.

          • Anonymous

            You didn’t answer my question— you have been sharing quotes from Leviticus, do you believe gay and lesbian Mainers should be put to death?

            OR, are you hypocritically sharing parts of the bible that you do not believe in, just because they support your attitude of distain for homosexuals?

            The truth is that the passages in the bible condemning homosexuality are standing against rape and victimization, and not the committed, honest love that two people find in one another when they want to commit to a marriage. It is not a sin to honor, love, and support one another in marriage.

            But all of this is somewhat irrelevant, because we are asking voters to allow us to have civil marriage rights, which have no connection to religion. In fact, the first amendment allows churches to marry whomever they want, and deny marriage to whomever they want— their marriage ceremonies are without legal standing without an accompanying civil marriage license, though.

            I am voting yes on question 1 in November, because ALL Maine families deserve the opportunity to enter into civil marriage, and protect the lives they build together in love and commitment.

          • I have answered many of your questions…just not the way you want me too. As for being hypocritical…that is far from the truth!

            I do not believe in homosexuality. It is a sin, and a sin that is punishable by eternal death. God doesn’t care that two men love each other, or two women love each other with all of their heart. He has already said that it was wrong, like every other sin that God mentions is wrong. They all need to be repented for period.

            None of you have answered any of my questions and I seem to only be answering yours, which really kind seems one sided really. But I understand not wanting to have one’s ideology confronted especially when it involves a sinful lifestyle.

            A person has asked me,”Why are you so on the right side of the issue’s versus the left or in the middle”?

            My answer, “The heart of the wise inclines to the right,but the heart of the fool to the left.”

            Ecclesiastes 10:2 NIV….Well I guess that settles that.

          • Anonymous

            You still didn’t answer his question.  Yes or No, should LGBT people be put to death?

          • Let me say this. In the middle east, and in Islam you are put to death for being gay today. If you were Jewish and you are engaging in a homosexual lifestyle you were put to death.

            If you engaged in bestiality you were put to death. If you sacrificed humans, put to death.

            If you were engaged in ritual sex, which involved demonic activity, ” I.E: Hitlers Third Reich”, you were put to death.

            If you committed rape. Put to death. If you committed adultery. Put to death. If you committed murder, not killing in defense or in war, but murder, you were put to death.

            Questions?

          • Anonymous

            Way to avoid the question.  I asked you, YES or NO, should LGBT people be put to death.  I didn’t ask about other countries.  I didn’t ask about other times.  I asked YOU.  If you are too much of a coward to answer, then I guess I already know what you would have said.

            P.S. In plenty of supposedly CHRISTIAN countries, gay people are killed by mobs of “Christains” and the government does nothing.  In fact, in countries, such as Uganda, there are ‘Christains” trying to make being gay a capital offence.

          • Dude I have not only answered your questions about the Old Testament Law for the Jewish people in regards to homosexuality and other sin’s, but made a New Testament comparison for non-Jewish people, also known as, ” Gentiles”.

            What you want me to say that I think homosexuals should be killed, and I don’t, though you will then come back with an argument against the Bible saying it’s ” hypocritical” etc…

            You are not a Jew, you did not live back during the time of the Levitical Law and not apart of that people, so that makes you a gentile like me.

            So that brings me to the New Testament where it is stated in the Book Of 1 Corinthians 6-9-10,

            Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

            As for all us Christians killing gays I am going to have to challenge your information. Because in the Bible it does not call for that, and if that is so and people are claiming to be Christians and killing people they are wrong and are not reading God’s Word.

            Why don’t you find it in the New Testament for me where is say’s we can do that and get back to me.

          • Anonymous

            First, don’t call me “dude”.

            Second, no, you weren’t answering my question before.  You just now decided to answer.  I’m glad that you at least have the smallest bit of common decence to think that I shouldn’t be executed.  Congratulations, you are almost a decent human being.

            “As for all us Christians killing gays I am going to have to challenge your information. ” – Just because you want to ingore the atrocities committed in the name of Christianity doesn’t mean they don’t happen.

            “Why don’t you find it in the New Testament for me where is say’s we can do that and get back to me. ” – It doesn’t have to say it in the New Testament.  I provided you the verse that states the Old Testament still applies.  You choose to ignore that.  That’s your problem, not mine.

            As for your Corinthians quote, I would gladly go to hell if heaven is filled with backwards, stuffy, bigoted homophobes like you.  In fact, the devil gave humans critical thinking.  The devil only killed 10 people in the bible, as opposed to god’s millions.  The devil accepts me for who I am, as opposed to god, who hates how he made me.  The devil sounds like a much cooler dude to hang around with than that god jerk you keep telling me about.

          • Anonymous

            Comparing loving, committed Mainer couples to your laundry list of evils is HATE SPEECH, NOTHING MORE.

          • Anonymous

            A sin in your opinion.

            At one time the majority of Christians felt that it was God’s will to hold slaves, too. Your opinion on sin is incorrect, just as their opinion on the righteousness of slavery was repulsively wrong.

          • The majority of the salvery in the Old Testament was towards the Jews from the gentile nations. When a Jewish person had an indentured servant it was for a 7 years at the most, and it was because of overwhelming debt that a person had to pay for. When their service was finished they not only left with their freedom, but with riches and and a way to make a very good start for themselves.

            As for European and American History…your right there was slavery, though what makes you think that they were all Christian? Do you know who helped abolish the salve trade in Europe?

            William Willberforce; who by the way was Christian. In the United States it was Christian politicians and citizens that fought for the freedom to abolish slavery, which is why slaves fled to the Northern parts of the U.S where the Christian faith was lived and practiced.

            It was those who were not in the sound biblical doctrine that twisted the faith into making it what they wanted based upon greed. Those…like yourself who were not Christian and had no moral compass but themselves engaged in slavery.

            I find it odd that you don’t know much about history and yet you quote it with such authority as if what you knew what you were really talking about.

            I am not saying that the Church is perfect, and believe you me the people who are in the Authority of God’s Word will be held very accountable for the actions that they have taken against a lost world.

            But let’s get a few things strait. My opinion on sin is not incorrect…in-fact it’s very correct. Your opinion on what sin is, is based upon personal beliefs on what you think is right, versus what God Knows to be right.

            You say be gay is fine, God say’s it’s not. I am going out on a limb that you believe in evolution correct? Maybe a Universalist where everything is right, and as long as you think it is OK then it is right no matter what.

            Maybe you believe in Secular Humanism, or maybe your just an Atheist who doesn’t believe in anything after death and that when you die that’s it, and that you cease to exist; so live it up now, and do what ever you want because in the end your not going to be alive so might as well experience everything before you die. Right?

            If you take anyone of those avenues then a person can own a slave and do what ever they want because there is no accountability and in the end it is, ” Survival of the Fittest, and Natural Selection right”?

            Or maybe a person can rape a person or a child because in the end you your self are, ” god, and you are in control of your own destiny and who are they to tell you that rape is wrong, because everything is OK and nothing is wrong”.

            And since there is no God, then there are no morals, and since we evolved then we should act like animals, and do only what comes natural to our, “primal instincts”. I mean we are the , “Higher Life Form,” and as higher life forms we have an obligation and right to take what we think is ours.

            Let me ask you where is your moral compass? Yourself? Because everyone of those worldly systems brings death, destruction, pain, and immorality to this earth and to mankind.

            Christ Jesus is the moral compass that is opposite of those systems. He brings, life, joy, safety, and peace.

            I know what I believe in. I know where I am going. I know that there is a God, and His name is Jesus.

            What do you know about what you believe other than a grab bag of ideologies and mixed perceptions. You don’t even know what you believe, other than you think your right, but based off of what?

            In conclusion sin is exactly what it is. It is filth and separates us from God and it is not based upon personal perspective of what sin is, it is based upon what Christ Jesus says that it is.

          • Anonymous

            While you’re off attacking those strawmen, I’m over here, calmly making my case that we should treat all Mainers equally under our laws.
            I am voting YES on question 1, because ALL Maine families deserve the opportunity to protect their families with civil marriage.

          • maineiac123

             If god is so opposed to homosexuality then why was Jonathan and David so honored?  If I recall it was ok for them to like naked together and love each other “more than the love of a woman”.  Sound like a gay realtionship to me and one that was honored by god. hmmm..

          • Are you serious…produce the verse and the book that is in  maineiac123. Don’t think that I don’t have an answer or know what book and verse your talking about.

            I know my bible.

          • Anonymous

            How about answering if you want to murder all LGBT Mainers, Mr. jewell?

          • maineiac123

             Then you don’t need me to provide it for you do you.

          • Anonymous

            So you DO believe that gays and lesbians in Maine should be put to death?
            Is that your answer?

          • Tedlick Badkey

            Why do you keep avoiding the man’s questions?

        • maineiac123

           You say that you cannot pick and choose his attributes but apparenty it’s ok to pick and choose which part of the bible to believe.  Killed any witches lately?  Wear clothes made of two different materials?  Eat shellfish?  Stoned any women for not being a virgin when married?

          • Apparently you must be Jewish, because the Old Testament was specify for Jews. I yet find it interesting that you are trying to quote from the Bible, and I bet…I just bet that you yourself have never really read it, and that you think Israel should be eradicated so that this whole war in the middle east would get over. Just a gamble.

            As for eating habits in the Old Testament…it makes sense. What is the shell fishes job in the
            Eco- system? To eat dead things maybe? How many people get sick from eating shellfish? There was a reason behind it for the Jewish people, but since your not Jewish, though maybe you are, then why does it matter.

            As for burning witches…can you produce a verse? And let me ask what is witchcraft? Does it involve talking to the dead, demonic activity, etc…?

            As for stoning of a person in the Levitical law and other Old Testament insights, maybe you would like to educate us with some scripture versus and a commentary since you seem to know so much about it.

          • Anonymous

            ‘For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” – Matthew 5:18-19 Seems like Jesus says you have to follow the old law.  I’m also still waiting for an answer to the question: Do you think LGBT citizens should be executed?  Just a simple yes or no will suffice.

          • You have no command of the scriptures at all, and finding random versus like this only give’s Glory to God. Either way He is Glorified.

            Let me ask you a question mr. non-bible scholar, what Law was he referring to?

          • Anonymous

            Jewish law, duh.  Just because you want to ignore verses that are inconvenient to you, doesn’t mean they don’t exist.

            Also, why won’t you answer the question?  Just a simple yes or no will do.

          • Do you see that you not only avoid my questions and responses to your questions but you do not answer mine at all.

            You claim to be tolerant, and yet on the platform of ideology you offer nothing intelligent as a rebuttal.

            You not only did not give me an answer to my previous question of quoting The Book Of Matthew but you failed to not even acknowledge the fact that 1: Your not a Jew. And since you are not a Israelite and have no idea about the culture, the history or the understanding of God’s people and His purpose for them, His Law’s or statues then you will always come back to the fact that in that culture a Jewish person was killed for not only being a homosexual, but all of the other sin’s that God has listed as well.

            You as a non-believer cannot come to the fact that you are a sinner and that you not have made mistakes like we all have, but are in sin and don’t recognize it and yet claim intolerance.

            Let me ask you…if you are tolerant, and I am intolerant, doesn’t that make you intolerant for not being tolerant of my perspectives?

          • Anonymous

            “Do you see that you not only avoid my questions and responses to your questions but you do not answer mine at all.” – Pretty sure I answered your question.  you asked “What law is he referring to?”  I answered “Jewish law, duh”  Please, if you have a problem with reading, perhaps this forum is not the best place to air your ignorance.

            “You as a non-believer cannot come to the fact that you are a sinner and that you not have made mistakes like we all have, but are in sin and don’t recognize it and yet claim intolerance.” – Let me make this perfectly clear.  I do not believe in a “god”.  I have no reason to believe in a “god”.  I am not bound by the rules of a 2000 year old book, which is, in my mind, nothing more than a fairy tale.   You accuse me of being “intolerant” of your beliefs.  The definiton of intolerant is “Not tolerant of others’ views, beliefs, or behavior that differ from one’s own.”  Well, lets look at what tolerant means “able to tolerate the beliefs, actions, opinions, etc., of others”.  Huh, now, try to keep up because we need a third definiton to complete this chain. Tolerate: “Allow the existence, occurrence, or practice of (something that one does not necessarily like or agree with) without interference.” Well, it seems that I allow the existence, occurance, or practice of something that I clearly do not like or agree with without interference.  I have, at no point in this conversation, prevented you from clinging to your bible.  I have at no point forced you to convert.  I have presented my opinions.  Don’t like that, tough.  I’m not stopping you from doing anything, so, by definition of tolerate, I am tolerant of your views, no matter how morally repugnant I find them.

            “Let me ask you…if you are tolerant, and I am intolerant, doesn’t that make you intolerant for not being tolerant of my perspectives? ” – If you manage to read the above, which I doubt, then you will see that I am most certainly being tolearnt of your ignorance.  But no, I will not tolerate you treating me like a subhuman because I do not bow down to the whims of your vengeful deity.  I will not tolerate your attemt to use the force of law to strip me of my rights.  If you want to live in a country governed by religion, move to Iran.  Otherwise, accept that I have rights as an American citizen, and your egotistical jerk of a god does not change that.

          • maineiac123

             I was brought up baptist, I’m now an athiest and I’ve probably read more of the bible than you have but your response is typical of pick and choose christians.  If you agree with the bible it’s god’s law, if you disagree it’s jewish civil law unless, of course, you want to use it to justify your belief on certain issues. I didn’t say a thing about burning witches, you did but that is the way the church dealt with those accused of witchcraft for 1500 years or so.  The bible just says “You shall not permit a witch to live” in modern text. 
            It’s interesting that you first say I’m jewish then that I want to eradicate Israel which would be a very strange thing for a jew to want to do. 
            As for providing scripture verse look it up yourself but you might try Deuteronomy, and Leviticus just for fun.  One I will give you though which I didn’t mention earlier is about stoning to death a disobedient child. Deuteronomy 21:18-21 makes for interesting reading.   I assume your children never was disobedient otherwise I’m sure I would have heard of the stoning.

          • Anonymous

            Just quote Matthew 5:18-19.  Jesus himself says that the old law still applies.

          • maineiac123

            Although I’ve read a lot of the bible I can never recall which book, verse etc says what.  I usually have to google it and I’m tired of doing that.   Besides if he’s the christian he says he is he should know it anyway.  

          • Anonymous

            Meh, I have a difficult time remembering the exact verse for a lot of things as well.  Although, I always remember 2 Kings 2:23-25.  God summons bears to maul children to death.  It’s pretty funny, in a sick and twisted way…

          • Hey Mr. Bible reader…where does it say that God called out two bears to kill 42 youths? And since you have such a great command of God’s Word maybe you can answer my Bible question that I purposed to you in an earlier statement?

            Maybe you can’t because your head is overwhelmed with scripture that you get confused and don’t know which Bible verse to miss-quote or commentate on.

            Please offer some scriptural guidance for me.

          • Anonymous

            Once again, “reading” does not seem to be your strong suit.  I provided the citation to the post that YOU RESPONDED TO.  2 Kings 2 : 23-25.  Also, I answered your question multiple times.  Just because you didn’t like the answer, doesn’t mean I didn’t answer it.

          • Oh and for telling mr.crs5012723 that he should quote Matt 5:18, maybe…just a quick thought here, maybe you should read the whole chapter, then read the verses around the verse that you so intelligently misquoted to the masses in-order to deceive the people here who are not bible readers. Humm….wait a second! Misquote the bible to get what you want! That sounds like the rest of Matt 5:17-20.

            Let me help sir…if I may:

            Matt 5:17-20

            17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For
            assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or
            one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. 19 Whoever
            therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches
            men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does
            and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.

            Can we get a sermon from you sir..we would love to..I would love to hear your thought’s on this.

            As well as what is a Pharisee? Who were they and what was their position? What did Jesus have to say about them? Are you a Pharisee and does your righteousness exceed that of them?

            What righteousness was Jesus talking about? Self righteousness or righteousness through God?

          • Anonymous

            First of all, if you are going to debate me, do it yourself. Don’t scamper off to get help writing arguments.  Your copy and pasting of someone else’s response is obvious.  Second of all, none of what you said chages that jesus said the old law will not go away.  You seem to think that putting it in more context helps your side, but it doesn’t and it’s funny seeing you scramble for justification.  The fact that you want to ingore the inconvenient parts of the bible is not my problem.  Deal with it.

          • No I am not friend. I am writing all from the hip, any scripture versus come from my online Bible, which is faster and easier to pull from when writing. I know where all the versus are…you are not the first homosexual, or liberal I have debated in my life, but maybe I am the first Christian you have debated on a level such as this.

          • Anonymous

            Your right.  Normally when I debate Christians, they show at least a mild level of intellegence.  You on the other hand, hoo boy, you certainly  are “special” aren’t you.  I’ve had to stoop down reeeaaalll low to get to your level.

          • Which inconvient part am I ignoring? 1 Corinthains 6 where it talks about sin and homosexual, Leviticus, where it talks about sin for the Jewish people? 

          • Anonymous

            The part that says that you still need to follow the old testament.

          • What was the old law Jesus was referring to?

          • Anonymous

            The Old Testament Law.  It’s not that hard to figure out.  Anyone remotely intellegent could see that, which explains why you can’t.

          • OK..the Old Testament Law is broken into what two components by Jesus in the New Testament?
             
            I’ll give you a hint you can find it in the Synoptic Gospels. As for being a special kind of stupid, I think you need to reevaluate that one because the more you try to quote the Bible the more unintelligent you become.

          • Anonymous

            Really, what two components would those be?  Because, in the quote I provided, and even when you added context, Jesus simple referred to the Old Law.  Not a particular section, JUST the Old Law.

            “I think you need to reevaluate that one because the more you try to quote the Bible the more unintelligent you become.” – I don’t “try” to quote from the bible.  All of the quotes I have provided come directly from the story book you hold so dear.

          • Do you still think I am running around getting help with my debate? 

          • Alec Cunningham

            OMG!  You BOTH are giving me a headache!!!!

            Let’s get back to usual hyperbole of chairs marrying dogs or banning divorce already!!!  Sheesh!!!

          • Once again you are wrong. You are not a bible scholar, you do not read the bible, and yet claim to know more than someone who actually has spent so many years of his life reading it, learning the Greek and Hebrew translations, talking to Jewish scholars, listening to Bible commentators multiple times a day, and praying continually.

            I will give you this. The Old Testament is the New Testament concealed, and the New Testament is the Old Testament revealed

            Once again what were the two components Jesus gave us that broke down the Old Testament Laws. I’ll give you a hint. All of the laws of the Old Testament are broken down into two Laws in the New Testament.

          • Anonymous

            No, they aren’t.  Jesus is asked “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”, not what is the only commandment of the Law.  Jesus himself says that the old law will not go away. But you just keep ignoring that part, don’t you?

          • Did you not read Matt 5:17…you quoted it friend.

            17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.

            What was that law? Read Luke 10.

          • Anonymous

            Followed by Matthew 18 and 19:
            “For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”

            Has the earth disappeared?  No?  Then your book says old law still applies.

            Also, Luke 10 what?  Is that the book, or line number?

          • Crs I am ignoring nothing in-regards to the scripture, in-fact you are ignoring everything it says about the homosexual life style and quote the bible to me as if you know it. Who is ignoring what?

          • Anonymous

            Well, yeah, I ignore what the bible says.  I don’t believe in it.  It is nothing more than a story book to me.  You are the one ignoring the old laws, which Jesus condemns.  Honestly, I’m getting really tired of “debating” you, if you could even call it that.  I could probably have a more enlighted conversation with a table.  It would be a better way to spend my time as well.

          • Anonymous

            Your jumping up and down and insisting only YOUR misinterpretation of the Bible is correct is tiresome and downright unamerican.

          • Followed by Matthew 18 and 19:
            “For
            truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest
            letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from
            the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets
            aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly
            will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and
            teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”

            Has the earth disappeared?  No?  Then your book says old law still applies.

            17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.

            Which meant that until He fulfilled the Law by His coming, and death upon the cross the earth would not pass away. It was a statement which meant that nothing would come until this was done, and even though it was done 2,000 years ago doesn’t mean it’s not going to happen. Read Matthew 24 and tell me if you recognize anything about today’s current situation and worldly, and catastrophic events.

            Also, Luke 10 what?  Is that the book, or line number?

             Luke 10 is the chapter sir.

          • Anonymous

            Yeah, I read that section.  In Matthew, Jesus is asked, what is the GREATEST commandment. Are you telling me that the ONLY rules are Love God and Be nice to people?  Seems like if that’s the case, then as long as I love god, I can be as gay as I want!  That is just SUPER news!

          • Anonymous

            Constant posting of Bible verses is SPAM.

          • I don’t think you really think that Crs. I think you know that this is more than a story.

            Here is Matt 22:34-40

            34 But when the Pharisees heard that He had silenced the Sadducees, they gathered together. 35 Then one of them, a lawyer, asked Him a question, testing Him, and saying, 36 “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?”
            37 Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”

             

          • Anonymous

            No, that’s exactly what I think.  It is a little story that got out of hand.  That is ALL that it means to me.

          • And what if it’s not?

          • Anonymous

            Ah, the good old Pascal’s wager. That’s an easy one.  I would respond with, waht if we’re both wrong?  What if, every time you go to chruch, you are actually making “god” even angrier?  Your little question presumes that there are only two options, but that is not the case.

          • Come on Crs…be real. I have answered all of your questions. Just be real and strait forward…what if what I were saying were true.

          • Anonymous

            I answered that.  If what you are saying is true, then I think that would make god a petty jerk.  I wouldn’t want to worship something so awful.

          • Anonymous

            Pascal’s Wager.  Yawn…

          • What if…just what if what I were saying were true? Roll play that.

          • Anonymous

            If you were right?  Then I think “god” is an immoral jerk who is not deserving of worship.

          • Anonymous

            I could never sink so low as to role-play an anti-gay.

          • Well I will leave this debate with this:

            I do not hold anything against you, and you have a right to live how you want to live. That is your choice. God will also respect your choice and will not force you or anyone to love Him.

            I have friends, and family who are gay, and I love them with my whole heart. I do not agree with them, but I love them.

            I will leave with this verse, and I have really enjoyed our debate on the platform of ideology.
             John 3:16

            16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. 19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. 20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed. 21 But
            whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen
            plainly that what they have done has been done in the sight of God.

            Until Next Time,

            Adam
             

          • Anonymous

            “I have friends, and family who are gay, and I love them with my whole heart.” – I doubt that you have gay friends, but even if you do, you obviously do not love or respect them enough to respect their rights as American citizens.

          • Anonymous

            After you post hate speech about LGBT Americans, it’s too late for you to repeat that standard anti-gay LIE that you “have gay friends,” let alone love them.  You’ve proven here you want to HURT them.

          • Anonymous

            Your book is irrelevant in the eyes of the law.

          • First of all if you were have read the bible more than me, you yourself would have the same understanding of the scriptures as I do, but you don’t so not only have you read it as much as I have, nothing that God has said has stuck with you. Here’s verse:

            The Parable of the Sower
            13 That same day Jesus went out of the house and sat by the lake. 2 Such large crowds gathered around him that he got into a boat and sat in it, while all the people stood on the shore. 3 Then he told them many things in parables, saying: “A farmer went out to sow his seed. 4 As he was scattering the seed, some fell along the path, and the birds came and ate it up. 5 Some fell on rocky places, where it did not have much soil. It sprang up quickly, because the soil was shallow. 6 But when the sun came up, the plants were scorched, and they withered because they had no root. 7 Other seed fell among thorns, which grew up and choked the plants. 8 Still other seed fell on good soil, where it produced a crop—a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown. 9 He who has ears, let him hear.”
            10 The disciples came to him and asked, “Why do you speak to the people in parables?”
            11 He replied, “The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. 12 Whoever has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from him. 13 This is why I speak to them in parables:
            “Though seeing, they do not see;    though hearing, they do not hear or understand.
            14 In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah:
            “‘You will be ever hearing but never understanding;    you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.15 For this people’s heart has become calloused;    they hardly hear with their ears,    and they have closed their eyes.Otherwise they might see with their eyes,    hear with their ears,    understand with their heartsand turn, and I would heal them.’
            16 But blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear. 17 For I tell you the truth, many prophets and righteous men longed to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it.
            18 “Listen then to what the parable of the sower means: 19 When anyone hears the message about the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what was sown in his heart. This is the seed sown along the path. 20 The one who received the seed that fell on rocky places is the man who hears the word and at once receives it with joy. 21 But
            since he has no root, he lasts only a short time. When trouble or
            persecution comes because of the word, he quickly falls away. 22 The
            one who received the seed that fell among the thorns is the man who
            hears the word, but the worries of this life and the deceitfulness of
            wealth choke it, making it unfruitful. 23 But
            the one who received the seed that fell on good soil is the man who
            hears the word and understands it. He produces a crop, yielding a
            hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown.”

            Which seed are you?

            Secondly in regards to your Jewish faith or heritage you are not a practicing Jew and you fall into the Old Testament camp being conformed once again to the world which God prohibited you to do. So being a Jew to you is nothing, cause if it were then you should pay closer attention to what the Old Testament has said, not even to mention proclaiming to know Jesus at one time in your life, that would have made you a Messianic Jew, and once again denying Christ.

            As for the Book of Deuteronomy and that passage that you speak of was not for simply telling your parents no, and if you read your bible like you say that you have it was for out right disregard for your parents and the authority of God’s Word. Much like kids today.

            Look at the generations of kids growing up. Look at what they are doing! Look at the drugs, the crime, the fornication, the spread of sexual diseases and abortion. Do you seriously think that if people were to adhere to God’s Law’s that would happen?

            That’s why there was stoning. Here’s a news example. Look at those boy’s who killed that little 12 year old girl for bike parts. They beat her, and put her dead body in a trash can.

            They are the prime example of the stoning that took place in the Old Testament.

            Keep trying sir… your not going to get me in the debate of principles for I serve the Living God, and His Son Jesus is my King, ” What, then, shall we say in response to this? If God is for us, who can be against us?” Romans 8:31

          • Anonymous

            It’s always sad to see anti-gays attack anyone who refuses to help anti-gays HURT loving, committed same gender Mainer couples.

          • maineiac123

             Merely because I have read the bible doesn’t mean I have the same understanding of it as you do.  Many christian religions disagree on many parts of the bible.  I simply don’t believe in much of any it except as an historical document.  I’m not asking you to debate the priniples of your religion, I’m simply asking that you keep your religion out of my laws. 
            Apparently you don’t read well either.  I was brought up baptists from a long line of babtists.  So far as I’m aware none of my ancestors were jewish except possibly in the pre-christian era and that I don’t know.  For all I know we were pagans, druids, witches and warlocks. 
            I find it amazing you advocate the stoning of children for disobedience though.  Shows just how much logical reason you have, ie, none at all.

          • Anonymous

            Yup, Mr. jewell is saying he’s the DECIDER and gets to decide what from the Bible he likes and wants to keep, and what parts he does NOT like, and he’s free to IGNORE that part.

        • Tedlick Badkey

          Don’t you have some demons to exorcise from haunted houses or something?

    • Anonymous

      It is about being an American.

      It is about equality.It is about understanding that concept of equality must extend to all in order to be a useful concept.

      It is about recognizing that who you love is not as important as who you are.

      -J

    • Anonymous

      Wow, just HOW MUCH TIME do you spend thinking about “homosexual sex”?  Scientists know why you are ALWAYS telling us you are thinking about that:

      “Homophobia is apparently associated with homosexual arousal that the homophobic individual is either unaware of or denies.”

      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8772014

  • Anonymous

     very wishful thinking.  No, actually, delusional thinking that anyone will pay a price.

  • Anonymous

     A memoir of Dick Cheney’s life.  Kudos.

  • Anonymous

    because you tout the stupidity of Chick-fill-my-a..hole??

  • Anonymous

    Dear BDN:  I prefer this headline:
    “Former Maine Bishop says raping little boys is unfaithful to Catholic doctrine.” 

     Let’s start there before they DARE  venture into Politics without paying their fair share of taxes for services.  turns out, the Catholic Church CAUSES more people to need services.  CATHOLIC CHURCH  =  ZERO CREDIBILITY.   I am EMBARRASSED to admit that I was raised catholic!

  • Anonymous

    The title of the Story is Truthful.. If you are not  a practicing Catholic you will not understand and the story is moot to you.

    • Anonymous

      It is arrogance to assume that those who are not practicing would not understand. Do you really believe that your particular viewpoint is that complex that it can’t possibly be understood?

      Let me break it down for you.

      In all cultures, rituals have had their say. Take for instance the “throwing of the virgin into the volcano to appease the gods” ritual. Human sacrifice has always been a theme for pleasing a deity and to be sure its practitioners would make the exact same claim that you do.

      What you have is a belief that explains what you do not understand. Such pathology has been around since the beginning of man’s ascension.

      It is no more complex then that and more people then you would suspect understand it. 

      -J

    • Anonymous

      63% of practicing Catholics support marriage equality, and are not impressed with the bishops’ GOP Dirty Tricks®.

  • Anonymous

    Darn right he’s overstepping his bounds.  Doesn’t bother me directly since I’m not catholic.  However, I consider this meddling to the extreme.  This will bring down a number of requests for them to lose their tax exempt status, not necessarily from me, there are plenty out ther of that opinion.  That would be bad for other Christian churches who walk the line politically who might get tarred unfairly with the same brush.  If this results in Q 1 losing, an investigation is in order.

  • Anonymous

  • Out here in WA, our same sex marriage bill exempts religious employees from performing the rite if  they have a  doctrinal problem with it,  and I think that is OK. Why would you want some one performing it who didn’t believe in it??? probably will get more votes for the bill that way. There are still lots of other relgious leaders of many faiths who will preform  the rites.

    • maineiac123

       There is no requirement under any law that a religious employee/organization has to perform any marriage.  This bill covers that by exempting religious organizations.  That part of the law is unnecessary anyway because the 1st Amendment covers that problem

    • Anonymous

      That exception is in this bill as well.

  • Anonymous

    Of course it’s unfaithful to Catholic doctrine.  Why is this even news?
    (Wish the leftist Catholics who are trying to sabotage the Church from within were put in their place……….that might even draw folks like me back to the Church, once we see in action that it really believes what it has always said it believes).

    • Tedlick Badkey

      But you don’t mind the church lying to the nation?

      You’d return even with behavior like that?

  • Anonymous

    This pseudo Catholic group “Catholics for Marriage Equality” are a disgrace to the church.  Why do they have to put the word Catholic in their title when they are not endorsed by the church?  I would equate this with the homosexual pedophile phony “Rev.” Bob Carlson going around with a Roman collar on pretending to be a “religious leader.”  Stop trying to deceive people with a phony religious title!    Don’t use religion as a means to attain something which is not based on any biblical principles!

    • Anonymous

      Maybe Westboro BAPTIST church should give up both the word Baptist and church too?

    • Anonymous

      63% of American Catholics SUPPORT marriage equality.  It’s the anti-gays who are not real Catholics.  No REAL Catholic would attack his LGBT family members–and EVERY Catholic family has LGBT members.

  • and_then

    If people don’t want two consenting adults to enjoy all the benefits and responsibilities that marriage brings, maybe they need to give up all the benefits that marriage brings to them so that they are not seen as discriminating against another legal citizen of the USA, who has equal rights. That means no tax breaks for you, no direct right of inheritance, no being able to go and visit your dying spouse, no health care from your spouse’s health insurance, no Social Security benefit if you stayed home while your spouse worked, etc etc etc. We’ll treat everyone the same and see how it works out, betcha there will be a lot of religious rammers crying in their wine.

    Definition of Religious Rammer- Anyone who tries to change the law of the land by ramming  their religion down the throats of others who live in the same country, regardless of the others’ religions or religious beliefs. If the Catholic Church wants to get into the business of politics, they should give up their tax exempt status while they are at it.

  • Anonymous

    Bishop Richard J. Malone, you are a beautiful man.

    I say that as an Atheist who believes that while faith may have its advantages in our society, organized religion itself is a destructive force.

    Over the last few hundred years, religion has been in decline. As our species continues to advance in both science as well as self awareness the need for superstition to explain the world continues to decrease naturally.

    However, as much damage as science and reason do to the cause of religion, it is people like you, those of unyielding and self righteous faith that are most effective in turning people away from the superstitious dogma of iron age thinking. You set up a conflict between what people innately know is right (golden rule) and what an authoritative person of faith is telling them is wrong. As an Atheist I can point this out all day and not make a dent – but coming from a Bishop, coming from within the circle…that is golden. 

    Many thanks for your assistance to the cause. 

    Stay classy Bishop. Stay classy.

    -J

    • Tedlick Badkey

      RAmen.

      May His Starch be Upon Thee.

      • Anonymous

        Thank you. May you be blessed by His noodly appendage. 

        RAmen.

        -J

  • Anonymous

    The Bishops and Vatican lost the Faithfuls’ conscience and the Moral High ground a long time Ago, APP. No one cares what the Catholic leadership do or say!

  • Bravo Bishop Richard Malone and Suzanne Lafreniere of the Roman Catholic Diocese of Portland for taking a stand and denouncing all homosexual sin!
    No on 1!

    • Anonymous

      Yes on 1! Equality for ALL citizens.

  • Anonymous

    the catholic church is going to tell mainers what’s moral? this is the same religion that just condemned American nuns as being “radical feminists”; nuns, the last and greatest standard bearors for all that’s sincere and admirable about catholicism, (sacrifice, dedicating their lives to the poor and disenfranchised, and on and on).
     i got nothing to add:
    these guys are too crazy  even to be called hypocritical.
     

  • Christopher Ruhlin

    The Catholic Church is guilty  of Inquisition, first  kidnapping then committing some of the most horrific murder and torture known  to history.
     From the early nineteenth century till 1967 the Catholic Church stole 150,000o British children and  sent them to Australia to be abused and tortured.The “church” is also actively involved in covering up the worlds most prolific pedophile club.  The Catholic Church and its never ending rein of perversion should remain silent on any and all political matters as they have ZERO moral ground to stand on.

    • Donald Sico

      Catholics beware! People like Christopher Ruhlin, who so obviously abhors the Catholic Church and all that we love and cherish – and as such is a hate monger, want to tear us apart by proposing ballot questions like this one. Shut Chris and those like him by simply and faithfully voting NO.

      • Anonymous

        You’re really afraid of the facts Mr. Ruhlin posted, and would like to deprive him of his Freedom of Speech?

  • Anonymous

    *Sigh* there are so many marriages in the US that do not ‘fit’ the correct definition of marriage by the Catholic Church….not done as one of the seven sacraments, not overseen by a Catholic priest…..the US is full of marriages that are not Catholic marriages.  Why is so much time invested in preventing SSM when so many legal marriages cannot even be recognized as a Catholic marriage as we speak?

    Picking and choosing what Catholic beliefs to enforce upon others and which ones not to is almost worse than trying to enforce any/all Catholic beliefs on all of society. Both are unacceptable.

    I am a Catholic woman, went to Catholic school from grades K – college and was married in a Catholic church (oops, i originally said k – 12…..meant college)

  • Donald Sico

    O’Hara is NOT Catholic. You canNOT be Catholic and be for same sex marriage or abortion. The Catholic Church is not a “club.” It is a people united to worship based on a set of beliefs dictated by scripture. If O’Hara’s “conscience” – whatever that is – does not permit him to abide by those beliefs and principles, he and those like him should find another alter at which to worship. They are not welcome in the Catholic Church.

    • Alec Cunningham

      So, if you are Catholic and the moment you decide that you support SSM, are you instantly NOT a Catholic?  How does that work?

      • Donald Sico

        There is always a chance for repentance and forgiveness, but it has be sincere.

        • Anonymous

          It’s the anti-gays who need repentance and forgiveness, they are the ones trying to HURT people they do not know and who have never done anti-gays any harm.

        • Alec Cunningham

          You didn’t answer the question.  At what point does a Catholic become not a Catholic and what exactly happens?  It seems, following your logic, that there are probably only really a few hundred Catholics in the world.  Or does becoming not a Catholic only apply to the issues of same sex marriage and abortion?

        • Anonymous

          Kinda like looking for the most sincere pumpkin patch? 

    • Anonymous

      The amazing thing Donald is that people will do what feels right in their hearts, and if they feel confident in that choice, they don’t particularly care if you feel they are Catholic or not.  

    • Anonymous

      And Donald, how can you be Catholic and be for divorce?  Are you feeling compelled to make that illegal too? Catholics don’t believe in divorce, what you need is an annulment.

      Isn’t that funny? How, you know…as a Catholic you can go and get your annulment and go about your Catholic marriage beliefs and Catholic way of life without forcing everyone to legally get an annulment if they want to marry again someday? 

      Has the fact that not everyone in the US does what you would do or believe you have to do in that situation made you less Catholic or not Catholic at all?

    • Anonymous

      It’s always sad to see anti-gays attack anyone who won’t help them HURT loving, committed same gender Mainer couples.

  • Oldfishergeek

    The “Christian Right” is neither!

    • Anonymous

      The c0lumnist Andrew Sullivan calls them “Christianists” and reminds us they are NOT a church, NOT a denomination, NOT a set of “beliefs,” but a political organization bent on forcing their “beliefs” onto all other Americans by misusing the power of the Law.

  • Bishop Malone says belief in marriage equality is “unfaithful to Catholic doctrine.” 

    So what. Not too long ago the belief that the Earth revolved around the sun was, “unfaithful to Catholic doctrine.”

  • Anonymous

    Your Excellency;
    I don’t expect an answer, but I will still pose the question: where in the Bible are we taught that feeding the poor is a “societal” issue? The Bible tells you and me as individuals to love our neighbors and to “feed the poor”; but it is the liberal media and politicians––and liberal Church leaders–– who are promoting the “societal” thing. 
    In the real world that advocacy is called the redistribution of wealth, better known as Socialism. If the Church would focus more on teaching Catholics what is sinful (they don’t), perhaps Catholics and others would stop believing in the lack of sinfulness in things like homosexual marriage,  artificial birth control, pre-marital sex, living together without the benefit of marriage to name a few.
    As you must should know, Bishop; it’s called the heresy of Modernism, and sadly, many souls are being lost because of it. But there will come a time when God will demand an accounting of those bishops. And the question he will ask of those bishops will not be how many mouths did Catholic Charities feed; it will be how many souls did you bring to salvation.
    But thank you at least for your thoughts on the principle issue on which you wrote.
     

    • Anonymous

      I can only assume you made your bed with your own family member(s) you hurt here, but just remember, your nasty plaster deity you’ve threatened most Americans with turns to DUST upon contact with the United States Constitution, which requires and guarantees “Equal Protection Under the Law.”

    • Alec Cunningham

      What about those who aren’t Catholic?  Must we all abide by the rules of the Catholic church?

  • Anonymous

    How many times is some anti-gay going to threaten those Mainers who support marriage equality with their nasty plaster deity?  Sorry, Ms. DeLuca, you aren’t going to convince most Catholics to try to hurt their many LGBT close relatives.  My own close-knit, large Catholic extended family ended homophobia at our family picnic in 1980.  I brought my late partner Glen, and apparently something nasty and homophobic was said out of my earshot but overheard by more than one of my dad’s sisters.  They got their other sisters together, discussed it quickly and had that guy out the other side of the outhouse for a talking to.  I only heard about this many years later when my favorite of those aunts died.  This is not an isolated incident.  NO large, close-knit Catholic family is going to tolerate homophobia.  Tell us, Ms. DeLucca, why do YOU hate someone in YOUR family who’s LGBT?  Do your other family members know what you are posting here?

    Something is very wrong below.  

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