Comments for: Business, religion: America’s new entitlement class

Posted Oct. 07, 2012, at 10 a.m.

In this election cycle, America is getting a close-up look at the effects of living in the bubble of excess. Those we traditionally have envied as winners in the American Dream are unmasked in the iconic privilege of Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney, who struggles to identify with the average …

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  • honey777

    Excellent article and right on the money, so to speak.  Both business and many religious denominations are demanding special rights; they don’t believe the law applies to them.  We need people in office brave enough to stand up to these special interest groups.  Anyone know of a candidate running who can do this? 

  • Anonymous

    Mr. Moody, most of the religious people I know are attacked constantly in the media yet do quiet good works all the time.  Their religious  freedom is continually under attack.  The media says nothing about what is happening to religious people, including the Christians getting raped, murdered and persecuted all over the world. They are mocked by the powers that be every day of the week As you may know, they are the most persecuted religious group. I also know very few armchair liberals who are visiting   prisons, but our ministry is. I also  know a number of very affluent  liberals who feel badly at a distance, but are in not in the trenches of helping others and plenty of conservative small businesspeople who are. Religion is about community, not self absorption of make it to order gauzy spirituality. Sorry you felt the need to give us one more slap in the face. 

    • Anonymous

      What I see is a self-victimization, like when people cry that there is a “war on Christmas” going on.

      • Anonymous

        Or a “War on Women…”

        • Anonymous

          As far as I know there are no laws being proposed to restrict the rights of Christmas revelers.

    • Anonymous

      “As you may know, they are the most persecuted religious group.”

      You can only use “as you may know” if what you’re about to say has proof (not mere evidence) and it is universally accepted.

      Please enlighten us with facts to prove your statement that Christians are the “most persecuted religious group.”

      Define “persecution.” Quantify acts of persecution for each religion.

      • Anonymous

        Persecution should be categorized by country.  In the US, Christians are a long way from being persecuted.  As Moody says, more like entitled.

    • Preston Nethercutt

      With all due respect, you are seriously paranoid and more than a little delusional.

    • Anonymous

      More religious extremists being called out in the media and by a significant portion of the public.  In some cases, “attacked” but I and other moderate Christians don’t condone that either.

    • honey777

      Maybe if “Christians” weren’t all over ther world trying to cram their beliefs down the throats of others, they wouldn’t be in such a predicament.
       And as for their “religious freedom” being under attack, usually it happens only when they try to take every other kind of freedom away from others.  (Yes, I’ll list some of those freedoms: the freedom to not have to listen to prayers in public meetings, the freedom to choose abortion or adoption, the freedom to marry the person you love.)   

  • Anonymous

    Ah, yes.  It seems the religious brotherhood are adverse to accepting Darwinism but have no trouble with accepting social darwinism.  Politicians, but what can you say?  They are in the pockets of those who provide them with money for election or re-election. It feels like government of the people, by the people, for the people is perishing.

  • Gary Libby

    Great editorial.

  • Anonymous

    The guarantees of free enterprise and freedom of religion are not
    opportunities for hoarding our largesse or indemnifying the validity of
    our truth claims. They are privileges to be shared with the community at
    large.~~~~ Stan Moody

    Sharing , I thought, was voluntary. When someone compels my sharing it becomes theft. Do not call it sharing for it no longer is. 

    One other thing. I bet the people you work with “Can see you comin’ “

    • Anonymous

      Religion compels sharing.

      • Anonymous

         But you are not compelled to join any religion.

        • Anonymous

          It’s incongruous to claim to be religious and be miserly at the same time. That’s what the article is about.

          You just called religion a thief.

          • Anonymous

             This persons version may well be.

          • Anonymous

            Good dodge! You’re so great at it…if only it was an Olympic sport. 

          • Anonymous

            Why do you have only insults? Is it that you never have anything worth saying?

          • Anonymous

            As for your “I bet they can see you comin’ ” crack: Jealous? Reminds me of the song “Mr. Cellophane.”. Don’t worry, no expects that you should feel a moral obligation to share voluntarily. That’s why we have laws.

          • Anonymous

            Well in addition to the author of this piece wanting to compel charity we can see that you do also with your ” laws” comment. Thank you for making my point.

          • Anonymous

            That may be your point, but it isn’t Rev. Moody’s.

          • Anonymous

            Again, another dodge from you. 

            You didn’t respond to the person who comment above you, instead you resorted to insulting the author of the piece. Are you nothing but a person who engages in hypocrisy? Seems so.

          • Anonymous

             Don’t talk about Bob like you don’t know who he is.

          • Anonymous

             Look across the room.

          • Anonymous

            Are you looking at me Wolfie? My what big eyes you have! LOL!

          • Anonymous

            More weird paranoia from you. 

          • Anonymous

             Uh huh…

          • Anonymous

            I feel bad for you, I really do. Weird paranoia, assuming the worst in people….that’s sad. 

          • Anonymous

             You have my sympathy. Things must have been hard for you.

          • Anonymous

            You don’t even have basis for what you’re saying. It’s really weird and yes, makes you seem paranoid. 

          • Anonymous

            Ok. I don’t.

          • Anonymous

            And why would it matter anyway? Just another way for you to dodge….

          • Anonymous

            He thinks we know each other.

    • Anonymous

      Who’s compelling your sharing?  Moody and other rational religious leaders are suggesting that it should be part of your being.  From your conscience (that concept now considered archaic and never mentioned), it you have one.

      • Anonymous

         I am willing to stack my charitable giving up against yours anytime.  In fact any three of four of your liberal posters in aggregate.

        The term “privileges to be shared” implies that if you don’t share there is some validity to taking it anyway. Those that keep what they have earned for some other purpose are ‘hoarding”.

  • Anonymous

    This article is excellent yet leaves out a major component of this deadly alliance of religion and those who use it as beacon to signal their supposed superior position. Many politicians use religion in this manner, it spans religion, politics and business creating an atmosphere making anyone who disagrees with their twisted conglomerate of extreme ideologies wrong.

  • Preston Nethercutt

    Thank you, Mr. Moody,  for an excellent and thought provoking editorial. You are so very, very right. 

  • Anonymous

    Cheesecake: Your premise is the problem. Sharing isn’t voluntary, at least not when you are a citizen of a nation. As Americans we share in the bounty of living in the USA, with all of the rights and privileges that come with it. That in turn creates an obligation to pay back, either voluntarily, as in charity, or by democratic mandate, as in taxes. Too many among us are too eager to congratulate ourselves on our own success and to arrogant to acknowledge that much of that success is rooted in the environment in which we live and others with whom it is shared.

    • Anonymous

      I think you have the mistaken premise. When I or anyone take out a checkbook to write a check to organizations we do that completely voluntarily. That means we have decided when where and how to contribute. The writer above says that if someone chooses not to they are ” hoarding our largesse”. Well the fact is that “hoard” belongs to that person whose name is on the checkbook. It doesn’t belong to the US Government. It doesn’t belong to the community. It doesn’t belong to Stan Moody. It’s called private property and we have the freedom to do with it what we will. There is no reason to dispense guilt or blame or shame once the taxes are paid on that money. It’s not yours.

      Its seems lately too many stand with their hand out saying they deserve a piece of what someone else has. This attitude that folks like you have disgusts me and makes me want to reconsider the tens of thousands I have contributed to the community over the years.

      • Anonymous

        Oh brother! Everything you’ve posted here today is proof that you don’t understand the meaning of charity. You made that same threat about the library. No one would miss your donations if they are made with that rotten attitude.

        • Anonymous

          My voluntary charity is only good if it is compelled?
          You are a twisted vulgar individual. What happened in your life to make you so bitter? It shows through.

  • Anonymous

    “Reflected in this new entitlement class is the marginalization of those unwilling, incapable or, by circumstances, prohibited from reaching the American Dream.”

    Maybe the incapable are deserving of help. But the unwilling? And circumstances? Yeah…we should all give to the UNWILLING. If you have “circumstances”..work them out.

    “Homelessness and substance abuse are no longer the problems of “other.” We as private citizens own their cause, their effect and their solution.”

    No! As a private citizen I DO NOT own their cause. Maybe this is what was meant by “circumstances”.

    You “help” and “give” because you WANT to…not because you are FORCED to. And NO….I am not my brother’s keeper or anyone else’s keeper. I am the keeper of MY FAMILY..not yours. The more that we are forced to give…the more the recipient class will take …and grow. 

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