Comments for: Mitt Romney’s candidacy offers opportunity to talk about faith, Bangor area Mormons say

Posted Oct. 06, 2012, at 11:33 a.m.
Last modified Oct. 06, 2012, at 12:17 p.m.

BANGOR | Growing up in Centerville, Utah, Matt Erickson never imagined a fellow Mormon would be a candidate for president. “I remember camping out in our backyard with my best friend in the fourth or fifth grade,” Erickson, a 48-year-old attorney who lives in Bucksport, said Wednesday. “We were …

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  • On October 3, 2012, Mitt Romney proclaimed in the first Presidential
    debate between himself and President Obama, “We’re a nation that
    believes we’re all children of the same God.”

    Mormons
    believe that God is an exalted man of flesh and bone named “Elohim” who
    lives near a planet called “Kolob.”  They believe that Elohim has
    countless wives that are eternally pregnant with spirit babies that they
    eventually send to earth to inhabit babies. Mormons believe that they
    too can become gods and one day have their own planets, just like
    Elohim.  But they must go to the temple and learn the secret handshakes
    and passwords that they believe are required to get into Heaven.

    The following footage was filmed with a hidden camera inside the historic Salt Lake Mormon Temple within the past year…

    http://www.tinyurl.com/NotMyGod
     

    • Anonymous

      I knew people of many different religious backgrounds. Not a one of them ever espoused that belief. I think you’re pranking or have been pranked.

      •  Watch the full endowment movie at NewNameNoah on YouTube.  It’s all there, and in the Book of Abraham.

        There are millions of Christians that deny the Trinity, but it is still part of Christian theology.

        Thousands of Mormons may deny Elohim lives near Kolob, but it is still part of Mormon theology.

        • Anonymous

          I checked this out on another site….and I’ll be Elohim-darned! But the concept of Kolob being the planet nearest to God’s throne is considered an outdated belief in the Mormom/LDS church. Or so my source states. (wikipedia)

      • Anonymous

        No, Laman Lemuel isn’t really pranking… I looked this up out of curiosity and, while true at some time, not all of these things are still practiced in the Mormon religion today.  For example, polygamy isn’t practiced in most Mormon churches any more.

        Mormons do not believe in one God but they do worship one God.  It’s unclear to me how this works exactly but they believe that all men will become Gods after death.  Some Christians do not believe that Mormons are Christian and Mormons believe that differences exist between themselves and Christians because they feel that traditional Christianity has wandered from the truth over the centuries.  The Bible is not regarded as an accurate source of information.  Mormons consider some parts of the Bible somewhat important, however, Mormans believe that the Bible has been written and rewritten by man so many times that it is inaccurate in it’s teachings.  The Book of Mormon is where they believe the real teachings are.  So, no… Laman Lemuel wasn’t joking… there are some significant, interesting and yes, and sometimes odd differences in the beliefs of Mormons and Christians.

    • Anonymous

      WHAT are you talking about?  Smells like smoke.

    • County Escapee

      That’s not what I glean from this site:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elohim

      Plus, this is more likely their modern idea of kolob:
      “Kolob is rarely discussed in modern LDS religious contexts, but it is periodically a topic of discussion in criticism of Mormonism.”

    • Anonymous

       Liberals love those hidden cameras and an editing machine.

      • fourCatssoon

         No NO, Republicans invented them by their holy Son Karl (Turd Blossom) Rove.

      • I am not a liberal but I can say that Mormans really believe some weird stuff. However, for the most part they are good people. Billionaires on the other hand are not really. The Bible states they will not be entering the Kingdom of Heaven clearly.

  • Anonymous

    Sure, lets talk about traditional marriage in a discussion of religion. How far back does one have to go for something to be traditional? 50 years? 100 years? 2 generations? 3 or 4 generations? Given man has been around hundreds of thousands of years, let’s say traditional is 4 generations.
      In that case, Romney’s own family had non-traditional marriages. Possibly his grandparents were polygamists. His great grandfather definitely was. Their faith allowed polygamy. And polygamy is fine with me. Hypocrisy is not. And Romney is a hypocrite. And a liar. So if Romney wants to talk about Mormonism let’s be sure he is being truthful in his statements. So far in this campaign he has not shown a shred of honesty, so it is hard to imagine he will  start in a discussion about religion.
      Polygamy with Romney’s great grandfather is a fact that he cannot refute. Let’s see if he tries to, especially in the context of traditional marriage.

  • Anonymous

    My first question,Mr Romney, has anyone told you yet why your wife can’t open the windows on stuffy ole planes?

    • Anonymous

      I  don’t think Romney is following the comments on this site. 

      • Anonymous

        I’m sure not, but I’m still wondering if he still  thinks his wife can’t open a window on a plane. Which makes me concerned about him running for Pres.

    • County Escapee

      I’d rather have someone crack a joke like that than one who thinks we have 57 States.

      • Anonymous

        Personally I’d rather our politicans were the “Public Servants” as they say they are, but at minimium wage. Think he’ll give up wages and bennies?
        Someone not out to change laws for themselves or for a pal or one organization. Someone not on a power trip. Ma is a cesspool of diversity and got worse in his care.
         47% doesn’t count, he meant that, he will destroy middle class, whats left of it. He doesn’t mean his lame apology, he’s lying now.

        • County Escapee

          I’ve lived in Ma. for over 30 years, obviously thru Romney’s term, and can say this about it:

          Diversity is far better than a cesspool of isolationists wanting to keep their corner of the world “pure” (if you really want to go there).

          Romney caused no harm to us while he was Governor (didn’t do any real good either).

          Any more discussion of your opinions – that’s all they are – would be fruitless.

          • Too bad you missed Frank Sargent.  A truly noble governor.  more than 40 years ago now.

          • County Escapee

            I’d like to have met Mayor Curley!

          • Anonymous

            Thats your opinion and thats all it is, which was fruitless.

          • eyevabigun

            Somebody who was there probably has a better opinion of his time in office than somebody who wasn’t

          • Anonymous

            Maybe, and maybe we don’t have the same opinion of politics and living. I’m not into life the way it is in Ma.
            I don’t care for the high rate of crime I’ve seen there and I don’t like this Romney person at all altho I haven’t lived there i’ve been there enough and seen enough that I don’t think I’d even drive through it again.

          • Anonymous

            Mass. person show us one, just one incident where all Maine people stood at the borders of Maine and said “You can’t come in unless your  of fair complexion.”
            Diversity  by defination does not mean races, it encompasses all topics. Do you know what assume means?

          • Milo Maine had one of the largest and last KKK groups in the Northeast. 

          • Anonymous

             I’m aware there was KKK here at one point, but it doesn’t mean all Mainers joined and it certainly doesn’t make Maine unique. From  people I’ve talked to I get the feeling people had more things to work at than hate.

          • There was a large number of KKK sympathisers here.  Old Town had a chapter, Baqngor had a chapter, and Millinocket had a chapter.  Of course the largest contingent of KKK followers was in Milo.

            BUT guess what.  The KKK in Maine was not anti black.  They were opposed to French Canadians taking wood-cutter jobs.  As with most prejudice the KKK in Maine was based on a poor economy. 

          • Anonymous

            If I remember correctly the KKK was short lived in Maine.
            I know Maine frowned big on slavery and basically told anyone wishing to pursue the practice to quit or move on.

          • County Escapee

            Living the first third of my life in Maine, I lived through all the “outta Staters” attitude. Now when I travel back, it’s “from away”, including me it seems.
            The natives constantly talk about the influx of people moving to Maine and how it changes the way life there over time. “What’s this in the BDN for? It doesn’t affect Maine” remarks all are proof of an isolationist attitude.

            I NEVER ONCE MENTIONED RACE OR ANY BORDER INCIDENTS! You, in your particularly irritating way, have completely twisted everything as usual. 
            Anyone assuming anything here is YOU!

          • Anonymous

            Thank you glad you noticed, Maybe when people from “away” , flatlanders”, “outta Staters” start telling us we live wrong and we think wrong and we do everything in life wrong, we take it as an insult and we get irritated. Perhaps people don’t want or like change, why force it on them and on people who would have come here if they had so chosen.
             You don’t live here so why do you care what we do?

          • County Escapee

            I don’t give a frick what you do. I do have retirement coming up (and still have a place in the County if I want), but when you narrow mindedly call Ma. a “cesspool of diversity”, you had a correction coming, and I gave it.

          • eyevabigun

            It might not be the Maine you remember if you move back.

          • County Escapee

            I already mourn the degradation of “My Home”. Even my cold and hard siblings that think me an elitist because I’ve expanded my mind. I would like to go back, but I doubt my NY native mate could stand any more than a visit. Besides, the no-see-ums drive me crazy! :)

          • Anonymous

            I’m not for a person who claims religious back ground then goes against it in politics. Don’t like the guy, don’t want to see more young people sent to more wars. Not voting for him or Obama.
            Why do you care how people live or think here you “escaped”

          • Anonymous

            Do you think your the only person whose been to Ma.?
            My idea of living isn’t to stand outside a Mom and Pop store at dusk thats locked up behind bullet proof glass waiting for 10-15 minutes while the employees or owners decide if I’m going to shoot at them or not. Won’t sell you something because it’s too big to fit in a slide drawer.
            I think its a safe bet people here do not want the same thing.

          • County Escapee

            Locked in a bullet proof booth?! Deepest darkest Roxbury might have one, but I’ve never seen one.

            After all your dizzying twists of what I’ve said, I’ll leave you back at square one:
            You mouthed off about Romney’s job as Governor. I tried to impress upon you that having lived through it, I was in a better position than you to judge his job. Having “Been to Mass” doesn’t qualify, especially some one that thinks our clerks sit behind safety glass. wow

          • eyevabigun

            I’ve never been told that we live wrong. We are the ones that tell them they live ‘wrong’. Some that move to North Mass have changed it, but they always were different than the rest of Maine anyway.

          • Anonymous

             Everyone (states) all think their way is the only way, it’s not and I don’t care to have Maine like Ma.
             Maine broke away from Ma. in the early 1800s because they didn’t like their big city ways. I like it to stay that way.

          • eyevabigun

            I think by the word pure, he meant purely Maine attitude. I say c’mon down. just act like us is what was meant more than anything. I get out of the County once in awhile, and there are the rest of people’s ways. Not just Maines

      • fourCatssoon

         We do – I thought we have 61:) Its Sunday.

        • County Escapee

          Took my feeble mind a second, But Good One!  :)

    • Anonymous

       Speaking of wives. The current president wife stood up in front of America after her husband was nominated and told us that this was the first time in her adult life she was proud of America.

      • So? 

        Fairly hard for minorities to be “proud” of US history.  I would suggest that my first experience (as an adult) being “proud” of my country was the day Lyndon B. Johnson signed the Civil Rights act. 

        Shine shine on!

      • Anonymous

        I know what she said and I did not vote for him then and neither will I this time.

      • NO she did not. She said today i am proud to be an American. Just as many African Americans were. To go from slavery to a Black Man in the presidency we have come a long way. Stop being so mean and hateful. 

        • Anonymous

           How am I being mean and hateful by repeating what the now first lady said???

        • Anonymous

           For the first time in my adult lifetime, I’m really proud of my
          country,” Obama said at a Wisconsin rally as her husband staked out a
          lead in the Democratic presidential race that he would never relinquish. Here the quote. So YES she did.

        • eyevabigun

          Speaking in Milwaukee, Wisconsin today, would-be First Lady Michelle Obama said, “for the= first- time- in -my- adult- life I am proud of my country because it feels like hope is finally making a comeback.”

          Properly worded syntax changes and clarifies every time.

  • Ben Hutchins

    In my experience, Mormons have never required an “opportunity” to talk about faith.  All you have to do to spark such a discussion in the presence of a really serious Mormon is remain still long enough.  As a denomination, they are hardly unique in this regard, but still, this is not exactly breaking news.  It’s a bit like being surprised that Electrolux employees might be interested in selling you a vacuum cleaner. :)

  • Anonymous

    Mitt Romney is wrong. we’re not ‘a nation that believes we’re all  children of the same God.” There are many of us who don’t believe in any god whatsoever, and still hold that religion should never be embedded in politics.

    • Anonymous

      Actually 89% of Americans believe in god.

      • Anonymous

        So then there are more atheists than there are Mormons? I would think it’s about time we asked “why can’t we have a president who is an avowed atheist?” 

        • We already had Several:

          William Henry Harrison Andrew Johnson
          Ulysses Simpson Grant Rutherford
          Birchard Hayes

          Not “avowed” atheists, but without religion.

      • Ben Hutchins

        Even if that’s so (and how was it determined? I don’t recall being asked, for instance), 11 percent of 312 million is more than 34 million.  I would say that qualifies as “many” by any reasonable standard.

      • Henderson bobby

        Must include agnostics too. Yes maybe only 11% are true hard core self proclaimed atheist. . 

      • Anonymous

        I guess that those 89% do not believe in evolution or dna.

        • Anonymous

          The thought of that is so scary.

      • Anonymous

        But not necessarily YOUR god.

      • Anonymous

        Where’s your proof?

    • And your point is?? 

      Barrack Obama participated in weekly church gatherings that preached hate about America by the reverend Jeremiah Wright.  The liberal press never touched this subject because of the racism fear so they let everything go and Obama, under a campaign of lies and fear, won the election.  Romney has made no secret about his association with the Mormon religion and that religion does not preach hate against America like Jeremiah Wrights and Barrack Obama’s religion does.  So once again, what is your point?

      • StillRelaxin

        Barb’s point seems pretty clear here. As a civilized people we shouldn’t be putzes who inflame religious passions and superstitions in an attempt to garner votes for politicians. Three cheers to that! Boo to the putzes of this world.

        • fourCatssoon

           Excellent comment.

        • You are stuck in your own void, same as Barb.  Romney said something that many people believe but because Barb doesn’t and apparently you and many others do not as well, you accuse Romney of pushing religion down peoples throats which is not what was said at all.  So once again, what’s the point?

          • Anonymous

            I think they just feel like complaining today. I cant imagine why one would entertain themselves with a  story with a headline of what they dislike the most and then read it.

      • fourCatssoon

         Hay – Its Sunday.

    • Some of us from the “religious” crowd, like me, would like to be heard. Please listen:

      This man, Mitt Romney, doesn’t represent all of Christianity. The evil things this man is going to do, please don’t blame it on all Christians. Mitt Romney is not my savior, and I’m not voting for him. You won’t ever hear me say “Save me, Mitt Romney! Save me from these horrible taxes, and evil democrats!” lol, no way!

      Consequently, I’m not voting for anyone, because no human is my savior. I leave it up to God:

      “And ye shall cry out in that day because of your king which ye shall have chosen you; and the Lord will not hear you in that day.” – 1st Samuel chapter 8, verse 18.

      • Anonymous

         Thank you for not voting for anyone!

    • Anonymous

       “There are members with different views, but they can actually still coexist in the same church and love and share and serve each other regardless of their political beliefs.”  I think the same goes for whatever you believe in. Why should anyone celebrate what YOU believe in if you cant do the same?  What makes what YOU believe superior over what others believe?

    • Anonymous

      If your not intrested in it, then why would you even bother to read a story about it? Are you really intrested and dont want to admit it or is it just a chance to complain about those who are? You cant have it both ways in this world.

    • Anonymous

       I have studied Mormonism (as well as several other religions of the
      world) during my undergrad years. When a close friend wanted to me to
      join this faith, I told her I needed to research further.

      Facts to share:

      1.  The church was founded by Joseph Smith who has a criminal record
      in the state of NY (he was a self proclaimed treasure hunter & would
      peer into a hat with stones for inspiration)-  guess how he was
      “inspired to write the book of mormon…..by peering into a hat with
      stones!

      2.  Joesph Smith publicly denounced polygamy, yet he had several
      wives & 5 of the wives he took on had living husbands already.   In
      the cases of men challenging him (saying their wives weren’t for the
      taking)- they were either convinced that it was part of God’s plan or
      they were taken outside the town limits & brutally castrated.     
      *I called BYU four years ago to ask why this isn’t taught in their
      Mormon history classes and their response was “it is too controversial”

      3.  Mormons believe in plural Gods.  The book of Mormon spells out
      very clearly that “As man is, God once was; as God is, man may be”. 
      This teaching is held off until one goes to the temple.  It’s considered
      too much for a newcomer into the church.  The belief is that all
      Mormons have the chance to become a god themselves, have celestial
      sexual encounters, & populate their own planets one day.  

      4. The Book of Mormon has had 3,913 since its original publication in
      1830. (I don’t know about you, but I for one believe that if this book
      had been divinely inspired- an eraser wouldn’t have been necessary)   If
      you are interested in reading these….  a former Mormon who helps
      people leaving Mormonism in Utah- she has a wonderful website dedicated
      to these changes:  http://www.utlm.org/onlinebook…  Her name is Sandra Tanner. 

      5.  The Book of Mormon discusses weaponry and materials that were
      present here in the U.S. – long before they were actually ever brought
      over here to this part of the world.  (hmmm  I think God would have
      known better)

      6.  I especially got a laugh out of Joseph Smith’s testimony that the
      moon is inhabited & then Brigham Young declaring the sun was also
      populated.  http://www.challengemin.org/mo….   

      7. If Mitt Romney were to become president, it is a given that he
      will be meeting with the “First Presidency” in Utah to guide him in his
      decision making for this country.  I don’t think the U.S. population
      truly comprehends what that will mean for them.  For me, it’s too scary
      to consider. 

      In conclusion, it probably goes without saying that I decided to not join what Mormons refer to as “the one true church”  ;)

  • Anonymous

    Christian talk radio used to have hour long shows about Mormonism being a cult. Now those same talk show hosts are talking about what a good Christian man that Romney is. No wonder why Christianity is on the decline in this country.

    • Ben Hutchins

      “Christian talk radio used to have hour long shows about Mormonism being a cult.”

      Really?  No, I mean, seriously?  That’s awesome.  That’s like the leather-and-chains crew at the local goth club looking at the live-vampire-roleplaying kids and sneering, “Freaks.”

      • Anonymous

        Awesome analogy. I love your way of thinking.

  • Anonymous

    Several things cited in the Book of Mormon are false from the word go.  “Lost Tribes of Israel” did not emigrate to the Americas at any time.  The North American Aborigines have been demonstrated to be of Asian origin.  There are several other concepts that rather than “The Word of God” are figments of Joseph Smith’s fertile imagination.

    • Ben Hutchins

      Mark Twain’s scathing deconstruction of Mormonism in Roughing It remains as alive and brilliant now as it was in 1872.  Recommended reading for anyone presently weighing the pros and cons of letting a Saint into the Oval Office.

      • Anonymous

        Better than a Muslim sympathizer. 

        • Anonymous

          and who would that be?

        • Anonymous

          weak

        • Anonymous

          Wanna see pictures of Reagan holding a party with Mujahadin in the Oval Office?  Or Dubya kissing a Saudi Guy?

          Did you know that the #2 stockholder at Fox News is Saudi Prince Al-Waleed Bin Talal?

        • Anonymous

          Give me a break. You really should learn a bit about what’s going on in the world. See “scomber” below.

      • Anonymous

         IMHO, Joseph Smith read in the Bible about  how Solomon had 1000 wives, and Smith decided that he would like a situation like that for himself.  Since anyone can invent any religion he wants (at least in human terms, certainly not in God’s terms), Smith came up with Mormonism to satisfy his dream.  That would not totally preclude me from voting for Romney, however, since the alternative is the atheistic, pro-abortion Obama.

        • Ben Hutchins

          Hmm.  Leaving aside your questionable characterization of President Obama as “atheistic”, it seems like you’re basically saying, “Well,  at least the guy who belongs to a ruthlessly exploitative church, cynically constructed for the personal gain of its megalomaniacal founder and carried on for the enrichment of his successors, believes in something.  That’s all that’s really important.”  Which is an… interesting way of looking at the situation.

    • County Escapee

      And without blind faith in another book, how do some people believe a dead man came out of his tomb 3 days later? Religion is personal and needn’t be proved to anyone!

      • Anonymous

        but we make choices don’t we? about what religion we might want to follow … if any at all.

        religion is for suckers.

        • County Escapee

          Religion – organized or not – is a comfort for some, but when they push any of it on others through judgmental bigotry, the voting booth, or preaching their version of it on anybody else, I get cranky. Keep any personal beliefs out of the public forum.

      • Anonymous

        “Jesus Christ—who, as it turns out, was born of a virgin, cheated death, and rose bodily into the heavens—can now be eaten in the form of a cracker”

        true, blind faith is needed..

  • Anonymous
  • Anonymous

    Maybe it’s time for Mitt to deliver another “salt sermon”, to shore up support within the tribe.

  • Anonymous

    Hey! I LOVE OBAMA! Maybe now my posts won’t disappear?

    • Anonymous

      I feel your pain.  All my pro-King posts have been disappearing.
      Someone is “flag happy” out there!

  • Anonymous

    Religious bigotry and ignorance is alive in this thread and it’s ugly.  

    • Anonymous

      isn’t it though? i imagine if the internet and comment sections were around in the 60s and what kind of anti-catholic rhetoric would be on here then.

      • County Escapee

        I was just thinking how my parents refused to vote for JFK because he would be used as a backdoor route for the Pope to run our country….

  • Look at all the intolerance and hate on this thread. Yuk, all your true colors are shining through.

    • Anonymous

       Also note how many on the Left think they are experts on Mormons!

      Oh that’s right, Liberals are experts on EVERYTHING! They know it all and can’t wait to tell you how much they know! They also live to tell you how YOU should be living YOUR life!

      Must be nice being on the elitist Left!

      • fourCatssoon

         Why so much hatred from your mouth – its Sunday.

        • eyevabigun

          And? Saturday is the seventh day, just ask the founders of Christianity: The Jews!
          I suspect that Abby is showing frustration over the narrow minded anger here than any hatred. I know I am. 

          This tread is sounding like Capitol Hill.

  • Maybe someone should monitor the hate speech in the comments here?

    • Anonymous

       It’s OK…it’s from the left. They approve their hate messages.

      • Anonymous

         And even encourage hate speech from the left!

    • Ben Hutchins

      Technically, I don’t think “these people are daft, culty buggers and we shouldn’t even be considering letting one of them run the country” is hate speech, as such.  I mean, hate is an awfully strong concept, and it has a flavor of implied violence that’s lacking here.  This is at worst disdain speech, and that’s still legal. :)

  • Carrie White

    i like romney better than obama but i’m not voting for a person who’s religion killed 150+ people for no reason…booshit

  • Anonymous

     Mormonism is a racist theology; “The Native Americans are the descendants of those “who dwindled in
    unbelief.” As a punishment for their disbelief, their skin was darkened and they
    became “a filthy people, full of idleness and all manner of abominations.”
    12:22-23″

    • Anonymous

       Couldn’t agree more!  Let us not forget that African Americans were not considered eligible/worthy and were banned from holding the priesthood until 1978.  When the president of the church at the time was asked   (Gordon B. Hinckley) why this was…….he replied that he didn’t know.   Such an interesting response coming from a man who is supposed to have a direct line to God. 

  • Anonymous

    Mormonism is a racist theology: “God’s wrath is on the Native Americans who were slaughtered by the Europeans. 13:14

    God inspired the Europeans (who “were white, and exceedingly fair and beautiful” just like Nephi’s descendants before the evil,
    dark-skinned Laminites killed them all ) to slaughter the Native Americans. 13:15″

  • JohnR

    I am surprised amazed that so many are here visiting from the planet Kolob. Oh well most republicans, and all mormons live in an alternate universe so it’s all good.

  • Anonymous

    Mormons are quiet people, they dont drink booze nor smoke POT. They mind their own business and they make excellent neighbors because they dont play loud music nor have loud booze or POT parties.   Mormons are my kind of people.

    • Anonymous

      You should wonder what’s going on behind those closed and locked doors.

      • Anonymous

        who cares?

  • Anonymous

    Romney is not a great American, nor, does he profess any love for America, he is a puppet for some other cause and effect, not good for average Americans, he wants to get elected by not saying anything,
    don’t trust him, don’t vote for Romney, religion, leave it out of this, everybody has his or her God, nobody should want your God or try to give you their God.

    • fourCatssoon

       I  would like to see Millards tax return.

  • Anonymous

    Either God can do nothing to stop the horrors of this world (e.g. the suffering of children) or he doesn’t care to, or he doesn’t exist. God is either impotent, evil, or imaginary. Take your pick.

    • Anonymous

       I’m not a religious scholar and I used to bring this point up to my wife and her simple answer was “God us the ability to make choices.”

  • Anonymous

    Romney can be a Santaria practicing devil worshiper He will still make a better president than the buffoon we have now

    • Anonymous

       16 trillion Likes!

    • fourCatssoon

       That is not called for.

  • Anonymous

    Seems like he wants to avoid the topic though..

  • Anonymous

    Mormons talk about their faith – without ever mentioning the really cool stuff, like god is really a space alien on another planet or that, after he was crucified, Jesus took a detour through North America on his way up to heaven, or that god and Adam are the same person. I doubt they talk about the fact that the book of mormoen refers to black folk as mud people. 

    Mormons do this kind of stuff so often they ever have a term for it – “Lying for the Lord”. This refers to the fact that it’s not a sin to lie if you are doing the Lord’s business – including , but not restricted to lies told to convert someone to Mormon. Just think about that for a second before you vote for Mitt Rmoney.

    • Anonymous

      you are a cynical human being.

       http://youtu.be/skn9vzegmR8
       

    • Anonymous

      Amen to that, except that I’d like to add that ALL religions have their own BS stories.
      That being said, Romney being a Mormom is just one of MANY reasons why I would never vote for him.

    • fourCatssoon

       Excellent comment.

    • eyevabigun

      “….to convert someone to Mormon. Just think about that for a second before you vote for Mitt Rmoney.”(sic)

      Weren’t people thinking the same thing with JFK and Catholicism?
      How’d that paranoid idea work out for us? 

  • Anonymous

    Maybe they do not drink coffee, or smoke cigs, but they seem to, by the looks, be able to shovel in the grub.

  • MARINE73

    It’s very, very sad that Maine is now considered the least religious state in the Union.  I believe that the  majority of people who were born here and raised here still hold true to their faith in God and Jesus Christ.   How many of these godless people have come here from other states?   By turning your backs on God, you spread hate born from guilt.  If you live like you only have this one life, without accountability and consequences, you surely will have only this one life.  A perfect example of true hate   is the homosexual marriage referendum.  Homosexuals hate the fact that they are an abomination to God, so they  hate God and deny He exists.   They hate Christians  so they try take what is of value to them and demand they have it, too, on their own terms.   They twist the issue to make it about love.  The truth is, this is not at all about love.   The truth is that they know in their hearts what they do is a sin so   they try to force others to accept their perverse ways to lessen their isolation.   The truth is that only the godless accept homosexuality and when they hear the truth spoken, they retaliate with hate.   

    Whether or not this referendum passes, the reality is that homosexuals will never truly be “married.”   The truth is, there is no homosexual “marriage” recognized under the natural law of God, which is supreme to Christians over legislative law.  They will have a piece of paper stating they are legally married, and they will have their legal rights concerning real estate, personal property, etc., but the value of that piece of paper will never be worth the value of a true, holy union between a man and a woman blessed by our Father in Heaven.  God gave us the gift of living our lives as husband and wife and mother and father to our children, and we do so to honor Him.   This referendum is nothing but the hateful, empty folly of the sinful denying their guilt.     

    • Anonymous

      you’re really obsessed with homosexual issues. Insecure heterosexual men are more afraid of homosexual men than those who are sexually confident.
       
       
       
       
       
       

      • MARINE73

        You’re wrong.  I am obsessed with Jesus Christ who suffered and died on the cross for my sins.  You can minimize what I say by mocking me, but I only speak the truth.  Obsession comes from the homosexual agenda in the state of Maine.  I merely respond to it, as is my right and my duty.

    • I love God. I am homosexual. When you follow all the abominations in Leviticus I will also. Do you really think God cares whether or not you eat pork. Did your child ever talk back to you? Did you kill him/her? No where in the New Testament does anyone condemn homosexuality. The word it was derived from was the word for male prostitute. God Bless you. We are not asking for a Holy union, we already have that. We want the rights that all others have from the state and government and we dont want to subject ourselves to a loveless marriage to get them. That would be lying and that is also an abomination. So which one shall we choose. I choose to obey the Ten Commandments and not lie to myself, my god, and my partner. 

      • MARINE73

        I follow the Bible and God’s Word.  What you should be doing is praying and asking God for forgiveness for your sin and stop your sinful lifestyle.  It’s not too late unless you choose it to be.

    • Ben Hutchins

      Only hate and guilt I see right now is emanating from you, chief.  It’s actually pretty sad.

      • MARINE73

        Thanks for making my point, chief

  • Anonymous

    Kolob. Temple garments.  Joseph and his (mysteriously and conveniently missing) Golden Tablets.  No thank you.

  • Anonymous

    I believe that the foundation of any religious institution would frown on one of it’s prominent members – a Bishop no less – throwing out such bold-faced lies recently.  His “etch-a’-sketch” moment worked during the debate.  He and his advisors did exactly what they said they were going to do after the primaries.   Now low information voters who are just now tuning in are seeing a man who claims to be ‘centrist’ instead of a ‘severely conservative’ person that he has claimed to be for the last year.  

    He’s lied repeatedly about the pre-existing condition of his health plan (now he plans to keep a lot of the health care plan, gosh, gee whiz, he’s so proud of himself for bringing this Republican idea to the State of Massachusetts, forcing people to buy insurance).  He keeps saying that his plan will cover those conditions. But then his advisor goes out and says, “no, that’s not right, you must be already covered”.  Now he’s NOT going to do a 5 trillion dollar tax cut for the wealthy if it causes the deficit to grow even though he’s been promising that all along.

    This man is amazing.  He lies and he gets to win a debate because he vigorously stated those lies and Obama did not return fire.

    His church should really sit him down and tell him lying is very, very bad and Jesus doesn’t approve.

  • Anonymous

    I also wish the Mormon church would do something about their FLDS (Fundamentalist) brethren who routinely and as part of their religion, abuse children.  These old men take ‘women’ as young as 12, 13 to become their third or fourth or fifth wife.  A lot of times these young girls are the perpetrator’s stepdaughters as he’s already ‘married’ to the girls’ mothers.  It’s insidious and is against the law but nothing is done.  Thousands of them live in the Western states and hold a great deal of property and wealth.  These communities are left alone by local law enforcement, especially since Texas botched the one attempt to save one group of  these girls a few years ago.  I feel so incredibly sad for these children.  And the boys don’t fare much better. They’re sent out/away when they are teenagers and could be a threat to the ‘patriarch’.  It needs to stop and the Mormon church needs to step up to the plate.

    • Anonymous

       The sad part is that the FLDS are following the original Book of Mormon written in 1830.  The ones you see now are practicing after 3,913 changes to that book.   If the First Presidency (the “leaders” of the Mormon church) pursue this…….(and like you I agree they should)…then the entire foundation of the church could be rocked.  According to a friend in Provo, Utah, “too much would be revealed about the church and that’s not something modern-day Mormonism is willing to risk”.

    • Anonymous

      The Mormon church leaders can’t do anything about it since the FLDS is a completely separate church. They are not affiliated with each other at all. 

      • Anonymous

        They could work with law enforcement to end it. We all could, we just – as a society – choose not to, and children are continually abused. What a terrible thing these men do to these children. And they get away with it because it’s their ‘religion’ and they have their ‘rights’ to their ‘religion’. Joseph Smith, what a con man.

  • The Morman church may not back plural marriage but many Morman’s still practice it. It’s funny thouhg. The people who are voting for Romney are the same people who are condemning gay marriage because it could lead to plural marriage….you get it. 

    • Anonymous

      The Mormons (LDS) don’t still practice polygamy now. The FLDS (break off of the LDS church) are the ones that still practice it. 

  • Anonymous

    I have studied Mormonism (as well as several other religions of the world) during my undergrad years. When a close friend wanted to me to join this faith, I told her I needed to research further.

    Facts to share:

    1.  The church was founded by Joseph Smith who has a criminal record in the state of NY (he was a self proclaimed treasure hunter & would peer into a hat with stones for inspiration)-  guess how he was “inspired to write the book of mormon…..by peering into a hat with stones!

    2.  Joesph Smith publicly denounced polygamy, yet he had several wives & 5 of the wives he took on had living husbands already.   In the cases of men challenging him (saying their wives weren’t for the taking)- they were either convinced that it was part of God’s plan or they were taken outside the town limits & brutally castrated. 
        *I called BYU four years ago to ask why this isn’t taught in their Mormon history classes and their response was “it is too controversial”

    3.  Mormons believe in plural Gods.  The book of Mormon spells out very clearly that “As man is, God once was; as God is, man may be”.  This teaching is held off until one goes to the temple.  It’s considered too much for a newcomer into the church.  The belief is that all Mormons have the chance to become a god themselves, have celestial sexual encounters, & populate their own planets one day.  

    4. The Book of Mormon has had 3,913 since its original publication in 1830. (I don’t know about you, but I for one believe that if this book had been divinely inspired- an eraser wouldn’t have been necessary)   If you are interested in reading these….  a former Mormon who helps people leaving Mormonism in Utah- she has a wonderful website dedicated to these changes:  http://www.utlm.org/onlinebooks/3913intro.htm  Her name is Sandra Tanner. 

    5.  The Book of Mormon discusses weaponry and materials that were present here in the U.S. – long before they were actually ever brought over here to this part of the world.  (hmmm  I think God would have known better)

    6.  I especially got a laugh out of Joseph Smith’s testimony that the moon is inhabited & then Brigham Young declaring the sun was also populated.  http://www.challengemin.org/moon.html.   

    7. If Mitt Romney were to become president, it is a given that he will be meeting with the “First Presidency” in Utah to guide him in his decision making for this country.  I don’t think the U.S. population truly comprehends what that will mean for them.  For me, it’s too scary to consider. 

    In conclusion, it probably goes without saying that I decided to not join what Mormons refer to as “the one true church”  ;) 

    • Anonymous

      yikes

  • Anonymous

    Just another Cult that wants your money.

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