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  • Anonymous

    Oh my.

  • Sam Thomas

    I think his mouth had a bad case of diarrhea.

  • Anonymous

    What a jack-wagon. Many of the immigrants from Somalia, HAVE SHED THEIR BLOOD FOR THEIR COUNTRY, they have lost many family members, they have lost their homes because of foreign fighters paid by the oligarchs to wipe out any and all opposition. They have been starved, they have been beaten, and the rest of the world has given up on them. Maybe Robert MacDonald should walk a mile in THEIR shoes, in Somalia, before he opens his pie-hole again.

    • Sam Thomas

      How about he walks a mile without shoes?

    •  Somalia isn’t that the Country (sic) where dead U.S. soldiers were dragged through the streets by cheering Somali mobs? 

      Here’s a question Cranky;  When we went over there to bring them food (because half of them were starving) why did they kill our soldiers, burn our equipment, and hang the tattered bodies of dead Marines from a Mogadishu bridge? (built by the British who couldn’t get out of that cess-pool fast enough)

      These are just the type of folks I want living next door.

      • Anonymous

        Well, that should tell any semi-intelligent person that the Somalian people in THIS country weren’t present for that and/or that they are here because they don’t condone that behavior.  But then… you can’t be blinded by ignorance, hatred or prejudice if you ever hope to see the truth.  And, no worries, they probably don’t have any desire to live or raise their children next door to hostile bigots such as yourself.

      • Anonymous

        Does it not occur to you that the “type of folks” you have “living next door” are those dedicated enough to getting away from the violence that they moved half a world away from everything familiar to them?  My (extensive) experience of immigrants to this country is that many of them are looking for a place to just be basically safe and live their lives in peace.  What makes you think Somalis are all the same? Is that your experience of Americans or people in general? It sure ain’t mine.

        •  They didn’t “move” as in come here because they sacrificed to get the money for the voyage.  They were brought here by left wing do-gooders who think that all the world’s problems can be solved if only all 7 billion of them lived in the USA.

          • Millicent

            “Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,

            With conquering limbs astride from land to land;

            Here at our sea-washed, sunset hates shall stand

            A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame

            Is the imprisoned lighting, and her name

            Mother of Exiles. From her beacon hand

            Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command

            The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.

            “Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!” cries she

            With silent lips. “Give me your tired, your poor,

            Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,

            The wretched refuse of your teeming shore,

            Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,

            I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

          •  Never cared for Emma’s poem.

            Liked my Irish Aunt’s story better.

            She told of an Irishman in the 1850’s who worked hard, and sold himself into indentured servitude to get to America where he had heard “The Streets are paved with gold.

            For a year his wife in Ireland didn’t hear from him, then one day a letter arrived;

            Dear One; it read. 

            I have found a good life in America, but it is not the one I imagined when I left Ireland.  The Streets here are not paved with gold, in fact they are not paved at all, and we are expected to pave them.

            Will send for you when I have the money saved up for the voyage. 

            Michael

      •  So by your reasoning we should hate any German immigrants, Afghani immigrants, Iraqi immigrants, Japanese immigrants, Mexican immigrants, and anyone living south of the Mason-Dixon line because they have all killed American soldiers at one time or another. Do we sill have to hate the Native Americans? They were here first, but they killed American soldiers too. How far does the hate have to extend? If I am of English heritage, do I still have to hate the French because they killed English soldiers?

        • Anonymous

          Time does heal wounds, a couple years does not!

          •  Ok, so make sure you run down to Lewiston and interview all the immigrants. Since it was a certain tribal warlord who did it, you want to make sure you aren’t hating all Somali’s, just the ones who belonged to that particular tribe. The ones who came here had worse things happen to their people, that’s why they moved here.

      • Anonymous

        Unfortunately, the leadership that was in power at the time of “Black Hawk Down” was taking the food stores and instead of distributing it to the people they were selling it on the black market and getting extremely rich.

    • Anonymous

      do you live next to them? if not try it.

    • Anonymous

      So true… this mayor speaks out in ignorance and bigotry.  There is no place in the United States of America for his kind of prejudice.  

  • Anonymous

    I believe the Native Americans proposed something similar . . . 

    • Anonymous

      Good point. 

    • Anonymous

      400 years ago. time to move on, don’t you think?

      • Anonymous

        But I am sure in the current, they thought it sounded good right?

      • Anonymous

         Oh, I’ve moved on . . . my side won and I’m as fat, dumb, and happy as you.  I just think if the argument was no good then, it’s no good now, 400 years later (here in the present, where I live).  Or is truth malleable with time, and does might always make right?  Our ancestors, the newcomers,  had the power (guns) to tell the Natives their culture was worthless then, we have the same power to tell the Somalis (present-day newcomers) the same today.  

        • Anonymous

          So you can change history???

          • Anonymous

             Nope, I don’t think I suggested that you can, and many of us can’t learn from it, either.  If you can point out which part of my post says you can change history, I’d be interested to hear such a creative interpretation. 

  • Anonymous

    AMEN…….

  • Anonymous

    go back

    • Anonymous

       Wow – as if Lewiston wasn’t bad enough, it now has a Mayor that shoots out brainless nastiness about members of his community?  Do you suppose this clown also wants the French population in Lewiston to ditch their culture as well, or does his demand only apply to people who look different?

      • Anonymous

        the French were there first, their culture was established in Lewiston first.

        • Anonymous

          Actually the English and Irish were there first.

          • Anonymous

             Actually the Native Americans were first… that’s why the word NATIVE follows American.

      • Anonymous

        Lewiston Mayor practices PREJUDICE… which is NOT the American way.  By his own standards, unless this mayor is 100% Native American, he doesn’t belong here either.  Sounds ridiculous doesn’t it… but that is exactly what he is saying.  We are a nation comprised of many cultures and if this mayor can’t accept that he is the one with the problem and maybe he should return to the land of his ancestry or accept the diverse culture of the United States of America.  

      • Anonymous

        If you remember not too long ago the Mayor of Lewiston (not this particular one) made the national news for telling the Somali people to stop bringing “their people” to Lewiston because he didn’t have enough government assistance to support anymore.  Must be something that comes with the chair they sit in.

    • Anonymous

      You first.

  • Anonymous

    He should resign.  Disgusting comment. 

    • Anonymous

      Move to South Florida and see how much of “America” is left there. It’s little Havanna and not pretty at all.  Someone needs to stand up for our country. 

      • Anonymous

        Better take a looonng look into your own family’s history before you spread more hatred…bet half of them came from Canada.

        • Anonymous

          yeah, but Canada hasnt been gripped by civil war for the last 500 years. People are not fleeing Canada in droves.

      • Anonymous

        Maybe you should begin practicing the culture of the Native American, they are the only original true Americans.  But, the USA is a country of many cultures. If you can’t accept that then maybe you don’t belong in the United States of America. Prejudice and bigotry have no place in our great nation of many cultures.  So, if you think the culture of your ancestry is superior then maybe you should return to your native land.  Don’t even bother announcing where you were born… there are children in that Somalian neighborhood who were born in America too and I don’t see you exempting them so do not exempt yourself either.  

      • Anonymous

        What is America by the way? Please enlighten us?

        • Anonymous

          America is the native home of those who lived & thrived long before immigrants squatted on their land and claimed they discovered it. The term America was created by non-natives. Previous to that, it was just called “home” by Native Americans!

    • Anonymous

      Why ? Because it’s the truth !!  We need more like him to tell you the truth !!  Resign, no way !  He’s unto the truth of them all  and I have his back all the way !!  He’s defending AMERICA !!!!

    •  In what way?

      It’s Africa for the Africans, Asia for the Asians, white countries for everybody.  There aren’t even jobs for all the American citizens, there’s no reason we need more immigrants other than because opposing it while being white gets you called racist.

  • Irish need not apply..we survived the bigotry; you will too; be strong…..same game;  new players..

    • Anonymous

      yep, and helped build america.
      irish and italian immigrant labor pretty much built new york.

      what have the recent immigrants built since they got here?
      aside from the welfare count?

      • Anonymous

        What could recent immigrants possibly build?  There is no money to repair infrastructure, let alone to build anything in this State.  Do you think new immigrants should be building skyscrapers in Lewiston?  If so, with what $ and for what purpose?

        I know plenty of white people who can’t get jobs because they’re from “away.”  I think an African, living in the whitest State in America, might be better off embracing their own culture as a business enterprise, e.g. restaurants, music, dancing, jewelry making, etc.  Of course, Lewiston, as duly noted by the Mayor, is not the most welcoming place for immigrants.

        Yet, when I think of it, many ambitious folk from the above mentioned immigrants, i.e. Irish, Italians, French, etc.,  did, in fact, build their own businesses from cultural aspects of their heritage.  (think French and Italian restaurants, bistros, delis, Irish Pubs, etc., etc.)

        I don’t know all the answers, but Lewiston has a highly ranked medical center, and Bates, one of the highest rated “Little Ivy’s.”  It would seem that a City with these advantages SHOULD see an opportunity to help reinvent Lewiston as a multi-cultural destination.

        Re your last comment about the welfare count – I don’t know the stats.  However, I live in the midcoast area, and I see many van loads of Somalian men working the fields daily, be it strawberries, blueberries or baling hay.  I see them laboring hard at a feverish rate, drenched in sweat. These men do not fit neatly into any stereotype of yours, or Mayor MacDonald’s.  

                                             

      • Anonymous

        Yes, no immigrant has a job. 

      • Alec Cunningham

        They’ve put food on your table.

    • Anonymous

      Right you are, fellow Celt. Check the history, folks: members of just about every immigrant group of other than English Protestant descent stuck together in neighborhoods for at least a generation in this country. It made good sense until the larger culture made better sense, and then it was usually a blend. Put all that blending together and voila – “American culture!” Some people ought take some time and do some studying. It’s never too late. Then again, maybe it is. Besides, something tells me skin color has more to do with this outburst of ignorance than “culture.”

    • Anonymous

      Irish came here broke and ready to work, not supported…

  • Archie Bunker is alive and well here in Maine. When the L/A Town Council’s and the folk’s over at the DECD wonder why they aren’t having any success in bringing busness’s here, despite the number’s working for them, they might think back to this. Business’s are not going to bring their people in, or hire, when they know (and McDonald pretty well decided that issue in no uncertain terms) that their business’s most important resource, their employee’s, are going to be subjected to a political face smacking everytime they are in either public or the local politician’s decide they need someone to kick around to get their jolly’s off. Come to thnk of it, isin’t that what happened in Germany in the 30’s  and all thru the South ? 

    • Anonymous

      Archie Bunker needs to speak out.  It’s perfectly find for anyone to burn our flag and mean mouth our country but they are all here beating on the doors asking for help and handouts? 

      • The Country and The Constitution have survived far worse. Chicago in ’68, the Vietnam War, Jimmy Carter’s economy, Reagen’s assault on organized labor, 9-11 and the lie’s that Bush told us all to get his way in the Middle East (and we all saw how that’s turning out, aren’t we ?),  the current financial service’s meltdown all have proved that the Country can withstand more than a few bump’s in the road as far as democracy is concerned. Now if you want to go and practice democracy ‘the right way’, ala Archie Bunker, fine. Move to some island somewhere and set up your own little kingdom and declare yourself free of U.S. citizenship and involvement, and aid, and live as you choose. Frankly the Country doesn’t need bigot’s who do everything but openly call for a race war based on someone’s look’s. No one’s perfect and no one’s 100 % beautiful. You want to live in that world, I am sure that somewhere there is a isolated community that would be willing to talk to you for admission. But based on your criteria, don’t hold your breath ’cause I’m sure not going to, nor are other’s I suspect, going to waste there time likewise. Maine and the Country are moving forward. you wanna go in reverse, pump that clutch and ‘pop’ the tranny’ and have at it !

      • Anonymous

        “Archie Bunker needs to speak out”?  You do realize that Archie Bunker was a fictional character created to mock old white bigots. Carroll O’Connor played the part perfectly. Did you not get that aspect of the show?

        The role of Archie Bunker was created to parody people, well, like you and some of the others on this board. It would be great if O’Connor was still alive and he could play the mayor or Lewiston in a sit-com.

    • Anonymous

      Maybe Archie was right????

  • Anonymous

    Wow- you couldn’t sound more spiteful and unhappy if you tried. Sorry to hear you’re not well…

    •  20 likes for dts and 3 for you?  maybe you are the unwell one?

      • Anonymous

        24 likes and counting- seems not evryone shares his brand of mean-spiritedness…

  • Anonymous

    Lewiston is the armpit of Maine…and it is not getting any better….

    • Carl Loeffler

      If Lewiston is the armpit, then wherever you live is covered in toejam.

  • Anonymous

    Listen first of all. This Mayor Is acting like LePage….   Mayor or Not you can’t do that… It’s Not Legal….    I don’t care where there from or what color of your skin….  Thats why the world Is today the way It IS….    You, can’t Do that!!!!!    You trying to be a Hitler????
    Try saying that to the french from the Valley!!!!  See what the out come would be…..   Your city wanted them so bad back years ago… Well, deal with It!!!!!!    Saying what you said make you a racist plain and simple.

    • Anonymous

      the city didn’t want them.
      in fact, the mayor at the time sent them a letter asking them to stop coming because the city couldn’t handle their welfare needs. they didn’t have enough money.
      the citizens didn’t want them there. 
      turning a dying city with no jobs into an even larger dying city with even fewer jobs!
      they came for the welfare.

  • Jake_OO7

    The growing bigotry from the GOP is catching on as Scott Brown and his staff made racial slurs and mocked the Cherokee Nation.  Lepage must step in it soon, the rest of his party is making more news them he is.

  • Anonymous

    You speak for many, Mayor Macdonald.

    It’s time for these immigrants to decide if they want to be Americans first or (fill in the blank) first.
    If they choose the latter, maybe it IS time to go back.

    • Anonymous

      He speaks for many ingnoramuses who have short memories about their own ancestry. 
      News Flash:  every one of us is from  immigrant backgrounds, Native Americans excluded.

      • Ignoramuses?  Have you been to Somalia?  Seen their “Culture”? Smelled the dumps they call cities? Experienced what they do to their women? 

        Ignorance is a lack of knowledge, not stupidity. If you have the experience  with Somalia’s people than you are making a fair comment.  If you do not have that experience maybe you should reexamine your use of your words.

        • Anonymous

          or maybe she could just trek to lewiston some night, 
          see what’s really happened there.

        • Anonymous

          Is it like portrayed on “Black Hawk Down”…when the dragged an American Soldier through the streets or was that just for sensation…

          • Anonymous

            Actually it is worse than portrayed on “Black Hawk Down”!  I know from personal experience (military).  

        • Anonymous

          Just curious, have you been there?

        • Anonymous

          Mark, you make the mistake most racists make.  You speak of Somalians as if they are one person.  They are not.  There are many different persons who are Somalian and do not act the way you portray all Smalians to act.  There are many stupid americans too.  We are not one person, we are many persons.  Because some killed americans doesn’t mean they all do.

          •  Nope.  In this case I am not the one making a mistake. 

            I wonder if I said: “You make the same mistake most idiots make” would my post be pulled?

          • Anonymous

             This from someone who paints all conservatives and republicans with the same broad brush.   LMAO

          • Anonymous

            I do not paint all republicans or conservatives with the same brush.  I voted, and would still vote, for Snow.  Hating an entire people like Mark obviously hates all Somalis, is racism.  Hating a group with an agenda which is written down and promulgated, is politics.  I find most republicans who adhere to the extreme right repugnant, just like I find the Talliban repugnant.  Certainly you can see the difference in as much as it does not take much education to see that difference.

      • Anonymous

         Native Americans were immigrants as well.

        • Ben Hutchins

          Indeed!  In fact, it appears that everyone who isn’t native to Africa’s Great Rift Valley is descended from immigrants, so those of us here in North America with largely European ancestry are the beneficiaries of several migrations since the rise of modern humans.

          Or, looked at another way, we’re all still on the single little rocky planet we evolved on, so nobody is an immigrant in any spatially significant sense… everything is relative.

    • Anonymous

      So you are 100% Native American and practice their culture?  If not… then by your standards it’ time you embraced their culture or go back where your ancestors came from.  The USA is comprised of many cultures, and if you feel so superior then maybe it’s you who needs to return to your native land… the land where your ancestors were born.

      • Anonymous

        oh come on, you libs always bring up the “native american” argument.
        it was 400 years ago! get over it!

        we have not only evolved, improved, and integrated in that time, but we have accepted that the native americans today do not want to be a part of america, hence their own nations within a nation.

        • Anonymous

          Ancient Legacy is it?  Ha, how ironic! The United States of America from the very beginning has been a nation of many diverse cultures.  There is no one here except 100% Native Americans who are from the original culture.  In this great nation we have people who are native to Germany, Ireland, Italy, Africa, France, Spain, Mexico, China, Japan… you name it.  We have people who speak Italian, German, French, Chinese, etc… among themselves in their own homes and within their cultural communities.  In Chinatown in NY and Philadelphia they speak Chinese and serve Chinese food.  They embrace their ancestry and share it with all cultures.  Tarpon Springs, FL is a greek community, they serve greek pastries, greek meals, talk in their cultural language, etc… and they share this experience with people from all cultures in the USA.  In Italian neighborhoods they speak Italian, serve Italian food and they share it with people of all cultures in the USA.  In Stowe VT at the top of Mt. Mansfield at the Trapp Family Lodge they serve Hungarian food and they share their culture with all cultures of the USA.  I could go on and on and none of it is 400 years ago.  The USA today is even more diverse than it was 400 years ago… GET OVER IT.  

        • Anonymous

          I must have missed that part where we returned their land to them and allowed their beliefs and practices to be the ones that all entering the country must adhere to.

          Maybe it started 400 years ago but it continues today.

    • Anonymous

      How does one “be” and American?

  • Anonymous

    I see this oaf is part of the Lepage School of (mis)Management.    But what would or should one expect from a Republican these days?  No brains.  No finesse.  No leadership.  No honesty.

  • Anonymous

    Being rude, spiteful, ignorant and cruel is NOT American.   Go back to school, educate thyself, and learn your own country’s history.

  • Give it all away.  The only culture (according to the left) not worth saving is the one made during the forming of the great union of States. 

    I don’t mind differences.  I like Italian food, French pastry, Irish humor, African dance, South American art.  I also like being with people like myself.  Unfortunately Bavarian-German-Arab-Dutch-English-Mohawk people are difficult to find. 

    BTW the culture of “Caucasians” is not the only group unhappy with the behavior of the Somali community. Of course no one would dare say that Africans are not all one big happy family.

    • Anonymous

      What behavior do you speak of? In an Italian neighborhood… people speak Italian. In Chinatown in NY… people speak Chinese.  In the Greek neighborhood of Tarpon Springs, FL people speak greek and serve greek foods.  In parts of northern Maine, people speak French.  In fact, didn’t our Governor have some roots in Canada… French Canadian?  Somalians are no different than any other culture in the USA.  These people are NOT asking you to speak their language or to adopt their religious beliefs… they aren’t asking for anything except that they not be treated with prejudice.  If they choose to speak Somalian among themselves who cares? My grandparents often spoke German and my grandmother made some pretty awesome German pastries.  She shared these recipes with Italian friends, with Greek friends, friends of all cultures, etc… In Vermont if you go to Stowe to the Trapp Family Lodge all they serve there is Hungarian food.  There are Chinese restaurants, Italian restaurants, German, etc… The United States of American is comprised of many cultures and there is no place for prejudice in the USA.  If you can’t accept that then you need to look yourself in the mirror and unless you see someone who is 100% Native American embracing the Native American culture then tell yourself the same thing you’re telling these people…

      • Anonymous

        I thought the Von Trapp family spoke Austrian.

    • County Escapee

      We used to be a melting pot and most of us are mutts, but now the outsiders don’t want to assimilate like our ancestors did ,regardless of race. A black, VERY American friend of mine ,with a very French last name, is always using the term “well, my people this or that”! It can be infuriating when anybody talks like that! This is Boston where many cultures flock and it’s fine if you want to be with yours, be it Southy, Chinatown, Little Italy, or Roxbury. Just be an American.
      I could rant for days about this and promised myself I wouldn’t use my 10 ft pole to poke at this, but it does get me going.

      • Anonymous

        What is an American? Please tell me how to do you be an American? What culture do you assimilate to? What is American Culture? 

      • Anonymous

        it takes several generations to “assimilate”.   I have grandparents that grew up speaking French in the home but became fluent in English — their parents spoke mostly French.  They spoke in English to their children.  It took a few generations to go from French speakers to English as a first language.

        • County Escapee

          Quite true, but isn’t a generation really known as 20 years? All the flag wavers coming through Ellis Island didn’t get our language, but they made sure that their kids did. That’s one big reason for them to settle in their own neighborhood.
          At one place I worked, there were many Portuguese that brought a kid or grandkid to interpret. One actually praised his grandkid by asking me if her English was good enough! He was so proud that his grandchild was “an American”!

  • Anonymous

    After reading the ignorant nativist and other hateful comments and ” likes” connected with this piece,  one wonders how long it will be before the old white robes and hoods come out of the attic trunk. Not pretty at all, this loutishness. 

    • Anonymous

       Those robes and hoods never went too far.Why do you think the TPers are strong in the South?Ignorance and bible thumping lead to horrible things.

  • Anonymous

    Attitudes such as yours are what will bring this country to its knees. 

    • Anonymous

      No Mainegal, people such as yourself, your politically correct shenanigans and liberal thinking is what has brought this country to its knees.

      • Anonymous

        AMEN !!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Anonymous

       I’m sure you will continue believing that right up to the day when they force you to wear a burka.

  • Anonymous

     Lewiston is a third world hellhole and I feel bad for anyone who lives in such desperate surroundings that they have to immigrate to that town to try to improve their lives.

    • Anonymous

      Lewiston never used to be. When the mills were there it was all honest, hard working, law abiding Frenchmen. Of course in any population there will be a few troublemakers and lawbreakers, but its getting out of hand nowadays.

      • Lewiston may have had hard working french people, but it has always had a seedy side. I should know I grew up there, from a hard working french family. Who by the way was discriminated against for being french. Who’s father was named Man of the Year in 1985 and the poor man was ashamed to give his speech with his frenchy accent. Is this place ever going to change?

    • Anonymous

      they came to lewiston for the welfare.

    • Anonymous

      WOW  What a nice statement to write about Lewiston.  Do you like anywhere but Bangor?  You’ve dumped on Lewiston, Millinocket, Washingon County and Aroostook County.  Bangor, Bar Harbor and you’re love of Quimby must be really satisfying to you.  I’ve lived in Maine most of my adult life(minus three years for serving Our Country) and I love every different aspect of it.  From the woods to the coast, the shopping to the casinos and especially the people.  We generally are the nicest anywhere.  And there are alot of very nice people in Lewiston.

  • Anonymous

    What’s wrong with you?  The truth is, by your way of thinking unless you are 100% Native American you shouldn’t be here either.  By your way of thinking if you (or your ancestors) chose to come to this country you should be practicing the culture of the native America.  But that’s not what we do in the United States of America now is it? We don’t expect people with ancestry that is based in Irish, English, Italian, German, African, Chinese, Japanese or whatever to adopt the Native American culture, do we?  We allow each to continue in their own cultural and religious beliefs without persecution.  Unless these people in Lewiston are insisting that you all speak Somalian and adopt their beliefs… which is NOT the case, then I don’t think you have a right to condemn them at all.  They just want to be allowed to co-exist like you and like the rest of us who are not 100% Native American.  What’s wrong with that?  The United States of America is great because we embrace all cultures and because we as a country, do all we all we can to live peacefully as one nation of many cultures.   Prejudice has no place in the United States of America. 

    • Anonymous

      it’s been 400 years.
      when are you going to stop using that silly argument.

      • Anonymous

        I pose that question to you… it’s been 400 years and how much longer is it going to take you to comprehend that the United States of America is comprised of many cultures?  It has been from the beginning and it continues to welcome immigrants and embrace diversity and other cultures. So, how long is it going to take for you, Ancient Legacy to WAKE UP, and smell the coffee – your silly argument defending prejudice has been outdated for more than 400 years.  There is no place for prejudice in a nation of all cultures!!!! That is what the United States of America was before and is today!  

        • Anonymous

          we are a melting pot of cultures, 
          united, not divided.
          unite, or gtfo.

          • Anonymous

            Maybe it is you who needs to “unite or gtfo”. Unity isn’t a one way street. It comes from compromise and understanding, neither of which you seem willing to do.

          • Anonymous

             I love that he thinks that we have to give up our cultures and identities to unite.  Next thing you know he will be calling for equalization of wages and referring to everyone as comrade.

          • Anonymous

             Where are your ancestors from, AncientLegacy? Did they abandon their identities, their traditions and cultures when they immigrated to this country? And how many generations did it take before they “united?”

          • I hope you have a 13yo female relative you can take to this town so she can get her teeth knocked out for refusing sex with a somoli.

          • Alec Cunningham

            Well, isn’t THAT nice!  Instead of saying what you want to say, you make it mean and personal.  Swell American values, brah!

      • Preston Nethercutt

        The truth, AncientLegacy, is the truth whether it’s been 4 years, 40 years, 400 years, or 4000 years. DJBrown’s argument is far from “silly”. You are quite the little troll.

    • Anonymous

      This is what I call INTELLECTUAL PEOPLE people who are well educated. Thank you Mr. DJBrown for your WELL opinion.

      • Anonymous

        Looked kinda like intelectual BS to me.

        • Anonymous

          You are correct YYY.  On this bnd comment site the left is top heavy with false intellect. 

          • Anonymous

             They may be top heavy with false intellect, but the right is top heavy with no intellect.

        • Anonymous

          YowsaYowsaYowsa, step right up.

          Take the challenge !!!
          In ONE WORD, only, what is it that you prefer to being “intelectual” {sic} ?

          Anyone ?
          It’s something I have yet to ever have anyone be able to answer both respectfully and seriously in one word.

          [I have learned not to ask … oh never mind that …and the screeds I’d get from those who ignored the single word condition, for now. ]

    • Anonymous

      This country will always be racist as it benefits those who claim discrimination in so many ways.  Those discriminated against don’t want equality; they want the freebies.

      • Anonymous

        This isn’t about freebies… it’s about discrimination.  We’ve got a mayor making public discriminatory remarks and encouraging others to do the same.  We’ve got several posters in this forum supporting and justifying their own discriminatory behaviors.  None of this has anything whatsoever to do with freebies.  

        Sadly, discrimination is REAL and is still practiced by a small group of intolerant, uneducated individuals who believe that they are in some way superior, i.e., skinheads, bigots and others who view themselves as “special” or “better than others”, etc…  They aren’t superior, that’s just ridiculous – they are delusional at best.

        I can understand that some people fear that which they do not understand, some people fear things/people who are different. That doesn’t make it right and the truth is I can forgive people for reacting out of fear. But ignorance is not a permanent excuse for cruel words or behaviors. I could never quietly watch anyone treat others cruelly simply because of their own stereotypical and illogical fears. That’s what prejudice is and I don’t condone it.

        • Anonymous

           You are showing your own prejudice and intolerance.

          • Anonymous

            You might want to look up the word “prejudice” as I am demonstrating none. As for intolerance, I will give you that one!!!  I am 100% intolerant of abuse of all kinds. I am intolerant of child abuse, elderly abuse, animal abuse, racial abuse, religious abuse, abuse of power, any and all abuses.  

            I promise you one thing… I will never turn my back and do nothing any time I witness any kind of abuse.  If you don’t like that… I REALLY do not care!!! If I see you abuse someone or some living creature I guarantee you that you can expect a reaction.

          • Anonymous

             You most certainly are showing your prejudice against those that YOU have decided are intolerant by YOUR personal standards. 

            I know, looking in a mirror is hard.  Especially for liberals.  They hate having to admit their own hypocrisy.

          • Anonymous

            Look up the word “prejudice” so that you know how to use it.  I am not showing prejudice towards anyone or any group of individuals at all.  I am responding to statements of prejudice made by those who I am witnessing practicing it.  I am not making any statement for or against any person who is part of a group of people based upon race, religion, creed, political denomination or any defining group concept.  My words are responding to YOUR words specifically. 

            While you’ve got a dictionary handy YOU (not any group of folks) might want to look up the word “intolerant” also.  The act of unable to accept differences between yourself and others is not my personal standard at all!  It is the definition of intolerant.    

            You made a statement about “liberals” that appears disjointed from this discussion, however, I will address it.  Once again, you might want to look up the word “liberal”.  To save you time I’ll provide you with the definition.  Liberalism is a broad political ideology founded on the ideas of liberty and equality.  Liberalism is not defined by the choice to discriminate or not discriminate.  In fact, discrimination is not a political choice at all.  

            Discrimination is the prejudicial treatment of an individual or group based on his or her membership – or perceived membership – in a certain group or category. Discrimination is an attempt at restricting members of one group from opportunities or privileges that are available to other groups based on irrational thinking. Discriminatory laws exist in many countries including the United States of America. The choice to discriminate on the basis of race or religion is not a political view – liberal or conservative.  Therefore your reference to this being a “liberal” point of view is inaccurate, not by my standard, but by definition of the words “liberal” and “discrimination”.I think you’ve got a little homework to do!  You might want to look up the words you are using so you know what it is that you’re saying.  That’s right I said YOU… not any group of people.  YOU are using the words incorrectly.

          • Anonymous

            Definition of PREJUDICE
            1
            : injury or damage resulting from some judgment or action of another in disregard of one’s rights; especially : detriment to one’s legal rights or claims
            2
            a (1) : preconceived judgment or opinion (2) : an adverse opinion or leaning formed without just grounds or before sufficient knowledge
            b : an instance of such judgment or opinion
            c : an irrational attitude of hostility directed against an individual, a group, a race, or their supposed characteristics

            I do not see any part of your PERSONAL interpretation included. “any person who is part of a group of people based upon race, religion, creed, political denomination or any defining group concept.”

            This is a problem liberals consistently seem to have. Adding to a definition or even making up their own version or interpretation.

            You most certainly are showing prejudice under 2a and 2c at least.

            Definition of INTOLERANT
            1
            : unable or unwilling to endure
            2
            a : unwilling to grant equal freedom of expression especially in religious matters
            b : unwilling to grant or share social, political, or professional rights : bigoted
            3
            : exhibiting physiological intolerance

            Made up your own version of that as well!

            Are you a teacher by any chance? Or is it just your personal nature to be intolerant, condescending, and pompous.

          • Anonymous

            You have made my point… Prejudice is an opinion or judgement “without just grounds”  – race and culture is not “just grounds.” Prejudice and discrimination against others because of race, religion, creed, culture is wrong and against USA laws.

            I am 100% tolerant of all people having freedom of expression in religious, social, political or professional matters.   YOU, however, claim to be unable to tolerate different cultures, and in this case, you are prejudging the people in a Somalian neighborhood making assumptions about them because of information you have heard (but do not know to be fact) about their race, religion and culture. This mayor said Somalian people need to leave their culture at the door but no other cultures have been told to do this… so that’s prejudice and discrimination. Why do you think he retracted his statement?

            No, I am not a teacher.

            I am doing nothing pompous, but you are. It is very pompous for you to assume that you should have greater rights than Somalian people living legally in the USA. You are making false accusations that the Somalian people in this neighborhood are gang members committing crimes. Race and culture are not crimes. People of every culture living legally in this country are permitted to dress in their native garb, worship as they choose, speak their native language among themselves, eat cultural cuisine, enjoy cultural arts and entertainment and there is no logical reason why Somalian people cannot enjoy the same freedoms.

            You have made some significant accusations about having knowledge of gang related crimes that you say are being committed by people living in the neighborhood of discussion. Have you done your duty to report these crimes to law enforcement so that they can enforce our laws? Or are you just lying about having any first hand knowledge of crimes being committed by anyone in this neighborhood?

          • Anonymous

            I have never brought up race in any of my posts as justification for anything. You have consistently. I have to think you have race on the brain.

            You have fallen for the progressive mantras that all cultures are equal and all judgement is wrong. Sounds wonderful and when used as the premise for a debate leads to accepting all behavior as acceptable, all cultures are equal, etc. The list of absurdities goes on. Problem is that you cannot get a rational reasoned result when your premises are incorrect in the first place. GIGO (Garbage In, Garbage Out)

          • Anonymous

            It IS discrimination to judge people on the basis of their culture and their beliefs in this country.  I don’t know who told you that some cultures are superior to others  but that is faulty thinking.  If you don’t like the fact that discrimination is against the law you can certainly leave this country and live in one that has no laws against discrimination.  Or, you can make an attempt to challenge the laws of discrimination in this country.  The bottom line is that at present the United States of America has laws against discrimination and people have a right to enjoy the teachings of their culture while living legally in the United States of America just so long as they do not break any of our laws in the process.  There have been no crimes reported in this article and the Mayor discriminated on the basis of their race and culture.  He retracted it because he knows it’s wrong and illegal.

          • Anonymous

             Since you believe all cultures are equal please explain to me how the culture of the Taliban is equal to western culture?  Apartheid?  Slavery as still practiced in Africa?

          • Anonymous

            Touche’!  Thank you!

        • Conley Raye

          I disagree on all fronts. Look, the street gangs and the violence , we do not need. We have enough already. We need to draw a line, the sooner the better for us all. Discrminations, one does not need to do, just blend in with everyone else. Keep your former culture at home or at some festival as I would do, when I visited their country. It’s a respect thing. If you cannot respect, then depart. There are others who would and do.

          • Anonymous

            What are you talking about?  This article is NOT about street gangs and thugs.  Just because someone is of a different race or religion does not mean they are members of street gangs! That is the whole point… it’s this type of irrational fear that prejudice is based upon.    

            I have no problem living in a diverse culture… I love Italian restaurants and I’m not Italian, I enjoyed visiting the Trapp Family Lodge in VT but hated the Hungarian food they served and I am part Hungarian… I totally love Chinese food and enjoy German cookies, Russian tea cakes, french crepes and English tea…. that’s CULTURE! I love VanGogh’s art, Picasso’s and many other cultural artists. That’s CULTURE! I enjoy Italian Opera… that’s CULTURE! The United States of America is a blend of many different cultures. Not a one of our ancestors left their culture behind and I’m grateful to them that they didn’t.

            No one is forcing you to eat the food of another culture, worship with another culture, speak the language of another culture, etc… but you are demanding that legal immigrants leave their culture behind simply because you fear that these “different” looking people might be scary street gang members (even the women and infants). But you’re not worried about the Italian, Russian and Polish mob members that have been here for years spreading their “culture” around!!! Get REAL!!!

          • The residents are being forced to cover the welfare benefits of the somoli muslim refugees. The town is over 10% somoli muslim. Muslims follow moo hamads path including sex with girls under 10yrs old

          • Anonymous

            You need to seriously educate yourself. No one is having sex with 10 year old children in that neighborhood in Maine. You can bet on it that if that was true CPS would be involved. It’s this kind of wild and ridiculous accusation that demonstrates how some people really let their fears and imagination run away wildly out of control.

          • Anonymous

            Obviously your opinions about other cultures is largely theoretical, it’s evident in all your posts.  While you are right that street gangs aren’t specifically mentioned in the article, anyone who lives in the Lewiston area knows they exist and they are a big problem.  Unfortunately, many of the Somali-American youth still consider themselves to be Somalis so they hang together and form gangs and all throughout history it’s been much easier to pick on those “other” folks outside your own circle of friends than to commit a crime against someone with your “own” culture.  Actually, it’s extremely racist of them to feel and act this way but nobody seems to notice that because it’s terribly un-PC to suggest that anyone besides white males are racist and we certainly don’t want to say anything that’s not PC, do we DJBrown?  Once these Somali kids learn to speak the English language and become assimilated into our culture and consider themselves to be American-Americans who just happen to come from some place called Somalia, they will have become those “other” folks they now consider it OK to victimize so membership in a Somali street gang won’t be attractive to many of them.  These gangs depend on an “us against the world” attitude and by not insisting that they learn our language and blend into our culture (while maintaining elements of their own culture as well), we are allowing the conditions that encourage gang membership to continue. 

          • Anonymous

            I haven’t given any opinions about any cultures at all.   You are doing that, not me.  I am saying DO NOT DISCRIMINATE against any person or culture. 

            Your claims that all Somali children in Lewiston are gang members is nonsensical and obviously false.  There is no evidence that they are committing any crimes at all.  There is however, evidence that the Mayor is discriminating against them not because of crimes but because of their race/religion and culture.  

            The bottom line, let me assure you that this little neighborhood of Somali refugees just aren’t powerful enough to overtake the USA as you obviously fear.  But, in the event you see any person in that neighborhood breaking the law… you have a recourse!  You can report crime to law enforcement and they can enforce our laws.  It’s really that simple… but that said, it’s actually not illegal to be of Somalian race and live in the USA in a community in the town of Lewiston in the State of Maine.  That’s not a crime.

          • Anonymous

            Neither I nor the mayor have said anything to indicate we want to discriminate but rather have said that ALL Americans need to consider themselves Americans first and become part of our unique culture rather than primarily seeing themselves as Somalis or Irish or Italian or Jewish or….

            I didn’t say anything about “all” Somali children but rather said “many” have become involved in gangs open only to Somalis and anyone even slightly familiar with what’s going on there wouldn’t even try to dispute that. There is plenty of evidence that crimes are being committed by these gangs. For example, I happen to know someone well who (firsthand) told me she was raped by one of them who was a gang member, but all the witnesses were Somalis and she knew that if she went to police it would be nothing but embarrassment for her and nothing would be done about it.

            Why even bother to spout silly rhetoric about someone fearing the takeover of the USA by a little neighborhood of Somali’s? That’s obviously not any reasonable persons fear.  However, they ARE heavily involved in street gangs and they ARE creating a big strain on local social services and they need to become assimilated into our country. Nobody has suggested that it’s illegal to be a Somali and live in the USA, but it IS illegal to participate in street gangs, and just like every other minority group has had to do throughout the history of our country, they need to change their thinking to consider themselves Americans first and become part of all of our culture instead of exclusively clinging to their own past.

        • Anonymous

          Aha!  Believe it or not I had not read your post before I posted my response to Viper13 above!  Your use of the word “bigot” validated my assumption and you have also managed to work in the words “fear” and “ignorance” and  “stereotypical.”  Your eloquence is impressive!

          You, like the current occupant of the oval office do not believe that “Americans” and “America” (the greatest country on this earth) are “exceptional!”  To many (and I am one) your thinking is what is dragging the country down!

          My ancestors came here from Europe as well (in 1758) and they certainly adapted to the new country and definitely learned the new language as well!  However, a few of them died at the hands of those poor “native Americans”

          • Anonymous

            Ah ha? Ah ha what?  That’s hilarious that you are criticizing me for using the English language appropriately.  So… now you’ve got a problem with the English language?  Is there anything you don’t have a problem with? 

            Let’s see you don’t think immigrants can or should live peacefully  in the USA, you don’t like any kind of culture that exists in the United States of America,  you suffer from having “Obama” thoughts in every thing you read.  (Seriously… you need to get that obsessive thinking taken care of. Obama wasn’t mentioned and has nothing to do with this subject.)   

            Now about all of our ancestors.  Obviously many of us weren’t around when our ancestors came to America.  But, lo and behold, not a day has gone by when new people haven’t immigrated here from other countries just as they did back in the early settler times.  Like them, new people continue to bring their cultures with them.  There are enough history books and data to demonstrate that all immigrants brought their cultures with them and they still do and they will as long as we remain the United States of America.  That’s why we have cuisine from all cultures, we have art and entertainment from all cultures, we have cultural neighborhoods, we have cultural clothing, we have cultural clubs, etc…  

            America is the greatest nation of all. You are living in the United States of America and maybe it’s high time you came to act like it.  Maybe it is time for you to accept that the United States of America is the culmination of people from all cultures and countries living together supposedly in peace and harmony.  If you can’t do that… I suggest that you just stay in your tiny little corner in Maine because if you feel threatened and frightened by just one different culture, you will be unable to travel fearlessly in any part of the United States of America because extreme cultural diversity exists from sea to sea. That’s who we are in the United States of America.

          • Anonymous

            Sir, your level of condescention (and ignorance) is truly overwhelming! You know absolutely nothing about me yet you jump to your (preconceived, cookbook) conclusions. I could enlighten you with the list of countries in which I have lived and worked during the past 58 years from Israel in the east to Malaysia and Singapore in the western direction and the many locations in the USA – but I won’t! I will just let you continue your rant and your attempt to convince “some” (or perhaps just yourself) of the superiority of your thinking. . . Goodbye!

          • Anonymous

            I don’t care where you’ve been… when in the USA you should respect the American way.  The United States of America is comprised of people from all ancestries, all cultures, all races, creeds, religions, genders, etc… and we have no place for discrimination or prejudice here.  It is against our laws to discriminate against others on the basis of their race. If you don’t like it, that’s just too bad.  There is nothing keeping you from leaving the USA and returning to whatever places you’ve been where discrimination and prejudice is an accepted way of life. It isn’t here. Conversation over.

          • Anonymous

            Yes, you are capable of using big words.  The problem is with your ideology, understanding of facts, ability to use logic, comprehension, and a little thing called “critical thinking”.

          • Anonymous

            I only use words that I understand which is not something you are doing.  I have expressed no ideology whatsoever, you might want to look up that word.  I fully comprehend all facts regarding the definition and legality of discrimination and prejudice.  My logic is simple in that no one is superior or has a right to discriminate.  If you don’t like that I really don’t care.  It’s not my problem, it’s yours.  That little thing called “critical thinking” you might also want to look up before you attempt to use it incorrectly. It is not unreasonable thinking to choose not to engage in the practice of discrimination on the basis of race/religion.  What’s to think about, it’s our country’s law.  So it is YOU who might want to consider putting a little critical thinking into your choice, not your right, to discriminate against people on the basis of their race/religion.  A little critical thinking (definition – reasonable and logical thinking) might help you to understand that it’s not right or reasonable to go against the laws of your country.  

          • Anonymous

            But you do believe it is OK to discriminate on the basis of someones political ideology or their beliefs of what is right or wrong. Everything is OK as long as you don’t discriminate on the basis of race/religion.

            You really should study critical thinking more. More comprehensive definitions include:

            “reasonable reflective thinking focused on deciding what to believe or do”
            “thinking about thinking”
            “the intellectually disciplined process of actively and skillfully conceptualizing, applying, analyzing, synthesizing, and/or evaluating information gathered from, or generated by, observation, experience, reflection, reasoning, or communication, as a guide to belief and action”
            “purposeful, self-regulatory judgment which results in interpretation, analysis, evaluation, and inference, as well as explanation of the evidential, conceptual, methodological, criteriological, or contextual considerations upon which that judgment is based”

            Also:

            To add further clarification on what is meant by thinking critically, Richard Paul (1995) articulated critical thinking as either weak or strong.

            The weak-sense critical thinker is a highly skilled but selfishly motivated pseudo-intellectual who works to advance one’s personal agenda without seriously considering the ethical consequences and implications. Conceived as such, the weak-sense critical thinker is often highly skilled but uses those skills selectively so as to pursue unjust and selfish ends (Paul, 1995).

            If the shoe fits….

          • Anonymous

            Discrimination is not a political view or choice. It’s against our laws and I can’t take credit for making those laws.  If you feel you should have the right to discriminate against others for political, race, religious or other reasons then you need to take this up with law makers, not me.  I can’t help you there! :-)

          • Anonymous

            You are using the broad brush again. Thinking that if discrimination against one thing is wrong then all discrimination is wrong.

            Definition of DISCRIMINATE
            transitive verb
            1
            a : to mark or perceive the distinguishing or peculiar features of
            b : distinguish, differentiate
            2
            : to distinguish by discerning or exposing differences; especially : to distinguish from another like object
            intransitive verb
            1
            a : to make a distinction
            b : to use good judgment
            2
            : to make a difference in treatment or favor on a basis other than individual merit

            People discriminate against smokers all the time. In fact such discrimination is now written into our laws.

            Would you like more examples of where you are wrong? After all, you have already stated in other posts that you discriminate against people who are intolerant by YOUR personal standards.

        • People who understand islam fear it the most. Moo ham ad had multiple wives under 10 years old and advocated lying to get your way.Muslims are allowed to lie to unbelievers in order to defeat
          them. The two forms are:

           Taqiyya – Saying something that isn’t true.

          Kitman – Lying by omission

          • Anonymous

            One size does not fit all… the same stereotyping could have been said of the Germans when Hitler was in control but it would not have been true. Not all people of German descent were murderers or even hated or feared Jews… most particularly those who fled Germany and came to the USA.

            You are stereotyping if you don’t personally know each and every person living in the community that the Mayor is talking about and I think you would be lying if you claim to know all of these residents.

            As far as their religious beliefs… we have people in this country with all kinds of different beliefs. We have Christians who believe in one God. We have Mormons who believe in three primary Gods and that all people after death will become Gods or Demons before reincarnation. We have people who don’t believe there isn’t any God at all. In this country we have people practicing the Jewish religion, the various different Christian religious denominations, the Quakers, Buddhists, etc.. It’s ridiculous to say that only people of the Muslim faith lie. That’s just not true at all and I think you really know that.

          • Anonymous

            Of course some individuals of all religions lie, but the Muslim religion is the only one I’m aware of where lying to people of other religions is sanctioned and encouraged. 

          • Anonymous

            Again… that’s your personal FEAR. That’s your assumption.  That’s your prejudice.  That is not a fact.   

          • Anonymous

             Read the Koran.

          • Anonymous

             That’s all right, the Christian god knocked up a 14 year old to conceive his son.

      • Anonymous

        I wondered how long it would take for the word “racist” to appear on this thread!  It has become the all-purpose swear word that (so-called) “progressives” and “liberals” apply to anyone who does not agree with their thinking!  I will now read down the posts to see how much longer it takes for the word “bigot” to appear – since it is a second all-purpose swear word!  Sadly, it will probably not take long to find that one as well!

        • Ben Hutchins

           Given that this is an article about racist bigotry, I wouldn’t expect either word to be that long in showing up either.  Similarly, I would expect words like “iron” and “fire” to turn up quickly in a discussion of blacksmithing.  Sort of comes with the territory.

          • Anonymous

            The article is not about “racist bigotry!” That is just what “some” see when they view it through their far-left (and smokey) lens!

          • Anonymous

            If you believe that it is people on the far left who are seeing this as racist perhaps you should remove your carbon fiber lenses.  I fail to see how this statement could be anything but.  I have also seen many racist statements in the comments thread that follows.  We had one person claim that all of Africa and South America have higher murder rates than Europe and Asia.  We had one person attack the people’s religion.  We have the typical racist claptrap about how it was okay when the Irish and the Italians did it because they eventually assimilated and the Somalis haven’t been able to do the same in one decade.  

    • Anonymous

      It is vital to be, minimally, bilingual, with English as a primary language in this country.  It is vital to be allowed the space – the freedom – to discover who you are as an individual, and an individual within this very large country, no matter where you live, and to have a sense of acceptance if you have done no harm. That said, my grandparents chose to come to the United States, and they came because they wanted to be part of this land – this great experiment. They were not brought here against their will. They had not been in danger.

      Doing a search on Somali culture, yielded a CDC manual, not exactly the broadest view, but I read it. The first thing that came to mind was the number of Native American tribes that had a matriarchal-based society. The second, was that my grandparents rejected their association with Poland and all relatives there, because they wanted something else. Frankly, it is hard for me to fathom how the Somali will adapt, or if those who come to the United States without it being their choice, will want to.

      The practice of female circumcision, although now legally prohibited in Somalia, is profoundly tied to the culture. This is an article from several years ago. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-505796/The-unspeakable-practice-female-circumcision-thats-destroying-young-womens-lives-Britain.html

      I do not think that even the United States has enacted laws prohibiting this practice, making it a high-level crime, with severe penalties.

      • Anonymous

        Very well said.  English really is a universal language spoken at least partially by individuals in most European countries.  This is a fortunate thing for people in those countries who immigrate to the USA.  But there will be immigrants (as there always have been) who will need time to learn the language.  If their children attend our schools they will learn our language and they will learn how life is lived in America.  But that does not mean their grandparents or parents should abandon all their beliefs.  In fact, in this country it’s quite the contrary.  We don’t have a universal religion.  We don’t have one leader, one mind… we have democracy that encourages individualism.  

        What bothers me most about this article is that there is no reason to believe that the Somalians in that neighborhood expected anything from anyone.   I saw no evidence of whether or not the Mayor even knows if the Somalian children in this neighborhood can speak English or attend US public schools where they will learn the language if they don’t already know it.  I saw no evidence that the Mayor has any knowledge of whether or not the Somalian people of this neighborhood are making attempts to learn our language and our culture. I saw no evidence that suggests that the Somalians are demanding that anyone engage in their religious or other beliefs.  I saw no evidence that suggests that they are illegal immigrants or that they don’t expect to pay taxes.  I saw no evidence of them doing anything wrong at all and yet the Mayor condemned them simply for being born of another race, another culture. That’s discrimination and prejudice and there is no place for this kind of behavior in America particularly coming from our elected officials.

        • These are all somoli muslim refugees. Seach Lewiston “13yo girl teeth knocked out for refusing sex” to see somolis active in the comunity

          • Anonymous

            You are out of your mind… if there was a community of people forcing sex on 13 year old children CPS would be involved and it would be all over the national news. I don’t doubt there could have been a case of child abuse… Child abusers come in all shapes and sizes, all religions, all cultures. You are stereotyping to say all people in this neighborhood are child abusers… that’s a real stretch. That’s your own irrational fear.

          • Anonymous

             There is just such a community.  It is called Alabama.  Look at the teenage pregnancy rates in red states.

          • Anonymous

            Have you lost track of what this article is all about? It’s not about red/blue states or teenage pregnancy.  It’s also not about Alabama.  THIS ARTICLE is about a community of Somalians living in Maine in Lewiston. It’s not about these people doing anything illegal, anything immoral or anything wrong at all.   It’s  100% about a Mayor making discriminatory statements about residents of his community solely on the basis of their race. Of course when it was pointed out to him that it’s not just “tacky” to discriminate on the basis of race, it’s illegal… then he couldn’t double talk fast enough to claim he didn’t mean it that way.  That’s what THIS article is about.  It’s about a double-talking wishy-washy Mayor who speaks nasty out of both sides of his mouth. 

          • Anonymous

             The point is that Somoli culture does not think it is wrong to have sex with 13 year old girls.  They think it is OK to force them or to knock out their teeth.  They think female circumcision is perfectly normal and OK.

          • Anonymous

            You don’t know that THIS COMMUNITY of Somali people – people who have fled their homeland in search of a better life in the USA – believe in or practice that at all.  You are assuming and demanding that they leave all parts of their culture at the door.  That’s discrimination on the basis of race.  It doesn’t matter if they believe in doing those things… they are illegal in our country and if they break our laws they will pay the price.  YOUR PREJUDICE is not needed to enforce our laws… why not leave law enforcement to the professionals. 

          • Anonymous

            What does race have to do with their culture?
            I get it! To you EVERYTHING is about race! Culture, and abhorrent behaviors are to be embraced in the name of “diversity”.

          • Anonymous

            Race has something to do with culture, but not everything. People of different races & ethnicities have created different cultures in different parts of the world. White Europeans, Black Africans, Arabs, East Asians, South Asians etc. all have very different cultures from each other. But black Americans are more culturally similar to white Americans then they are to black people living in Africa. This topic is interesting but it’s a diversion from the discussion of anyone in this country having a right to discriminate against other people living legally in this country because of their race, creed, color, religious affiliation, gender, political affiliation or whatever the difference may be.  I am not the one who said that the Somalian people need to leave their culture at the door.  That would be the Mayor of Lewiston.  I support diversity and freedom for all people living in the USA legally regardless of race, creed, color, culture, religious beliefs, political affiliation, gender, etc…  No matter what you say you are not going to convince me that discrimination for any reason is acceptable. It’s against our laws in the United States of America and if you don’t like our laws you need to challenge law makers, not me.  

          • Anonymous

            You personally discriminate all the time. You just do not think of it as such.

    • Anonymous

      Humans are not native to north America so there are no “native Americans”.. The United states is a artificial creation by Anglo’s so Anglo Americans are the closest thing to being “Native American”  

    • You should check out the discovery channel documentary “Ice Age Columbus” to see that europeans sailed the atlantic and settled america 10,000 years before indians walked across the land bridge and overran them

      • Anonymous

        That’s interesting but… a few years ago, University of Oregon archaeologist Dennis Jenkins and his students started digging where no one had dug before. What the team discovered in an alcove used as a latrine and trash dump has elevated the caves to the site of the oldest radiocarbon dated human remains in North America. Coprolites — ancient feces — were found to contain human DNA linked directly to modern-day Native Americans with Asian roots and radiocarbon dated to 14,300 years ago. That’s 1,000 years before the oldest stone points of the Clovis culture, which for much of the 20th century was believed to represent the first people in North America.

        In 2003, DNA of mammoths, bison and mosses that proved to be 300,000 to 400,000 years old was extracted from Siberian permafrost. More recently, they teased out DNA from silt-crusted ice cores from Greenland that showed forests, beetles and butterflies had lived 800,000 years ago where a glacier stands today.
        They took home 14 coprolites, “To identify if humans were using caves as a toilet, but didn’t see that as important,” at that time. For years, the coprolite sat in a freezer at Oxford until Willerslev, then a Danish postdoctoral fellow working for Cooper at Oxford, to deliver a paper on his work with ancient DNA before the Northwest Anthropological Conference, took them with him when he took a professorship in biology at the University of Copenhagen. In 2006 he turned them over to a graduate student who needed a project. She found DNA from two of the five Native American genetic groups. Both have links to Asia. Radiocarbon dating — at two different labs — showed three were more than 14,000 years old. “It is the oldest evidence of human presence” in North America, said Willerslev, now the Director of the Center for Ancient Genetics at the Copenhagen school.

        Yes, the history of ancient North America is quite interesting however, there is nothing throughout all of history that suggests that discrimination or prejudice has a place in the United States of America or that any one culture is superior to another. That’s my point. But… it’s interesting to review history. I enjoyed it!

  • Somalis only read this post.

    somalis people, hold on to your culture!
    you DO NOT want maine white people polluting your culture

    take a look at Maine  white people  culture:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXgeqmjv_hU
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shsjE_tzJu8

    • Anonymous

      yes, because 2 videos of people being fools is what represents maine or america.
      get out of our state, get out of our country if you don’t want to be a part of it.

      • Anonymous

        Our state and our country consist of people from a variety of cultures. If you don’t like it I’d suggest you go ahead and start the mass exodus yourself

  • Anonymous

    So you are 100% Native American and practice their culture? If not… look in the mirror and say the same thing to yourself. 

    • Anonymous

      I am 100% Native American, i Am a white person of Anglo decent that was born here.

  • Anonymous

    Look at the spittle stuck to the corners of his mouth…this guy knows CULTURE !

    • Anonymous

      I was patiently waiting for someone to mention that……what an awful photo!

  • Anonymous

    I say the Mayor is correct. Do you think if you was in ANY OTHER country you’d not have to abide by their culture? This country has been over run by foreign folks who seem to think they are “special” and they are very pushy in all they do. Look @ they way they have run the locals out of the LA area, they rent an apartment and move in a ton of family members. I say when in Rome do as the Romans do, these folks need to do the same. Political correctness is not in my way of thinking,  I am still going by the Constitution of the USA….

    • Anonymous

      So what is the culture of the USA? Please tell us. The Constitution is what protects them. 

      • Anonymous

        integration, assimilation.
        America was known as the “melting pot” of the world, where people from all over would come and integrate into their culture.
        what the immigrants of recent have done is fracture america.

        For example: 
        it used to be the community of portland, lewiston, biddeford.
        now it’s lewiston, and the “somali community”
        portland, south portland, and the “sudanese community”

        why would you want to turn a united piece of america into “little Mogadishu?”

        We are the UNITED states. 
        not the divided states.
        but if you liberals had it your way, we wouldn’t be united at all.

        • Anonymous

          Well you didn’t even come close to telling us the culture of USA. What culture are we integrating do? what one are we assimilated too? Please tell me the culture of the USA. You have not done that in the least. 

        • Anonymous

          Nice theory but why is there a “Chinatown” in
          every major American city. The Italian section of NY is still heavily populated
          by Italians. Have you been to neighborhoods in Miami? Southern Americans of
          European descent wanted to keep Americans of African descent separate from the
          rest of us. That is how America has always been and how it is now. I hate to
          bring up those pesky historical facts but it has always taken immigrant
          populations several generations to “melt” into the pot. Every
          incoming immigrant wave has had to deal with people like you. However, you
          eventually die, your kids and grand kids go to school with their kids and grand
          kids so the crap you spew doesn’t fill their heads and their populations become
          more and more Americanized each generation. That is how your melting pot works.

        • Anonymous

          Seems that you are the one who is making a division.

          Have you ever melted things together, like in a saucepan? They retain their inherent properties as they meld together to create a new, more complex thing. If I am melting butter in a pan I can’t expect that every other ingredient I add to the pan become butter. That would just be foolish. If I stir the butter with the other ingredients and let them all mix together I will have something even better than the butter with which I started.

    • Anonymous

      Your reaction is exactly that of Lewiston area yankees 125 to 150 years ago who felt threatened when poor farmers in semi-feudal Quebec were recruited in droves to work in fast-growing textile and shoe industries. The words you direct toward the Somali-American population in Lewiston are the same. It wasn’t only the French-Canadian immigrants who had to deal with the reaction: on one occasion an Irish Catholic church burned to the ground when local anti-immigrant yahoos slashed fire-hoses rather than allow it to be extinguished. In time, those groups learned to play American social, political and economic games of all kinds, including their own (hockey, anyone?).
      This has nothing to do with political correctness. It has everything to do with lack of effort to understand.
      As for the Constitution, it includes nothing (except the First Amendment, guaranteeing free speech, practice of religion and assembly) to address your worries about language, dress, food, family size. “Doing as the Romans do” might not be the smartest choice for anyone, particularly if those Romans are in a bus headed for the rim of a canyon while thinking they’re in airplane.

  • Anonymous

    Republican bigotry pure asnd simple.  Macdonald’s comments come on like Romney’s 47 percent comments.  They just don’t get it.  White anglo saxon patriarchy is not dead but it sure is on the way out.  It reminds me of conservative types who were / are upset that Pres. Obama’s middle name is ‘Hussein’….must be because he wan’t born here and must be because he is a muslim, right?  Must be because he is covertly pro ‘new world order’, whatever that is.  Right EJ?   ;)

  • Anonymous

    Well considering our American Culture was built from many different cultures…..

  • Anonymous

    This is the guy that should be running for Senate.  I agree with you 100% Mayor.  I applaud you for using your 1st Amendment Right to FREE SPEACH.

  • Anonymous

    So what does USA believe in, Also by the way our country isn’t call America, its called the United States OF America. Please do not comment on USA Culture is you can’t even take the time to get the name right. 

  • Anonymous

    Please in enlighten us, what is the culture of the USA?

    • Anonymous

      guns and confederate flag bumper stickers.

      •  What is most amazing to me is how self-hating the American left is.  No American culture?  How about our willingness to go anywhere to help others, as in our aid to Haiti after the earthquake, our help in Japan and India after their Tsunami’s

        What about the great cities, the Unions which gave us time to enjoy life, the inventiveness which created the railroads, the airplanes and mass production?

        When I think “US culture” I think of Worcester Diners, Broadway shows, skyscrapers, the cattle drives, the family farm, the Hoover Dam, The Brooklyn Bridge.

        Better check it out now.  If these people have their way what’s left will be gone soon

        • Anonymous

           Progressives would prefer that we live in mud huts, cr*p in holes in the ground, and cook over dung fires.  We need to be brought down to the level of third world African he11 holes.   Their vision of “equality”.

    • Anonymous

      I’ve been wondering this myself. As far as I can tell one must eat at McDonalds, watch cable tv shows, be Christian and have a gun. Other than that I don’t see a whole lot of culture that we didn’t borrow from someone else along the way.

      I thought American “values” were to accept and protect others who are being persecuted and to stand up for what you believe in.

      • Anonymous

        Not just a Christian, but a fundamentalist.  Riding mowers for a small suburban lawn.  Great big vehicles, driven well above the speed limit.  Not just a gun, but be sure that your neighbors know that you have it and are willing to use it, on their children, their pets, or whatever else bothers you. Hostility to anyone new, even if they just came from 50 miles away. At least that is what I see in my community. To be fair, I’m in the mid-west, not Maine.  There is much that I would not want people to adopt from our “culture”.

    • Anonymous

      Look around the country and you will see it.

      • Anonymous

        Well, when I look around I see a lot of different cultures, so……

        • Anonymous

          very good.  hence the USA culture

  • Anonymous

    In previous generations and waves of immigration, most newcomers were more or less forced to conform to American culture–even as American culture itself was still in its infancy and evolving–in order to gain a foothold here. My mother, a first generation American of Irish ancestry, never learned her parents native language, the old Irish spoken in the West. She never learned any of the stories that would have been told around the hearth of a winter’s night, never learned the names of the plants her granny gathered for medicine. She never even knew her grandparents or extended family across the water.

    I grew up hearing the echos of her mother’s voice in my mother’s own words:”Speak PROPER English!” The very language of the hated rulers of Ireland, because this was the language that was needed to succeed here in America. I can say this kind of forced conformity only garners emptiness. For that whole side of my family, there is nothing stretching back to the other land in the way of culture, and only one word was passed on in the ancient Irish language: “maijun mara”, meaning mermaid–evidence of the fishing culture they came from.

    In contrast, my father’s mother’s people immigrated from Germany to the mid-west. They maintained their language while also learning English. They kept their religion, published papers in their native language, and had a sense of a micro-community, a community within a larger American culture. They managed to become American while maintaining the cultural attributes that grew from their native land. Was that so wrong? Many ethnic groups have succeeded here in America while being able to retain their native country’s cultural identity. Is that so wrong?!

    This is what many new immigrants are trying to do. They come here for the very same reasons previous immigrants came, to have a better life. Some have survived horrors that would make your worst nightmares seem gentle and benign. Why is it so threatening to Americans who have been here awhile? The color of skin? The country/continent they originated from? Becoming an American takes time. Second, third, forth, fifth generation Americans have forgotten that because they did not have to pave the way, be the first to arrive in a new culture.

    It’s disgraceful that these Americans would belittle newly arrived immigrants, and insist on standards that deny them who they are. That is UNAMERICAN. We are a culture of mixtures, some variables taken from here some from there , some distinctly from this continent. Our English language is comprised of words from many languages. Our foods, religions, music…many originated elsewhere, as did the GOP’s standard religion, Christianity. If all of you who say people should leave their cultures, foods, music, language at the doorway to America were true to your words, much of what you call American would have to go as well.

    Coming from a third world country to America in the 21st century is a complex challenge. What established Americans can do to help that transition is be accepting, tolerant and encouraging. That is called grace. Have the grace to understand that it does not need to be only one way anymore. That is what makes America beautiful!!

    • Anonymous

      Good post.  I agree that there is a difference between culture and language.  My biggest concern with the failure to require the learning of English is that we actually force the people that immigrate to the USA to live in a poverty that they might not have had to if they had learned the language and could thus get a better job.   My people came through Novia Scotia from Ireland & Scotland.  My grandparents don’t speak the old language but parts of the culture (religion, customs, holiday traditions) still exist and I am passing them to my son.

    •  You are wrong if you come to America you need to live by the rules of the USA not laws from your country or go back to that country learn English and abide by the laws of the USA.

      • Ben Hutchins

        Today, I can’t even quite absorb the irony involved in that comment including a command to “learn English”.  There’s just too much of it.

    •  These people mostly did not “come” they were brought (like the slaves) by Catholic Charities, Lutherans and other do gooders.

      I’m fine with immigration (to a point) from anywhere, but this should be due to market forces, not to some yahoos wanting to reserve themselves a place in heaven.

      I always put “American” first as in “I am an American of Dutch, English, Arab, Bavarian (and some tinsey winsey bit of French) ancestry

    • These are all somoli muslim (religion of blowing things to pieces) refugees when the persecuted people in somolia are christians.

  • Anonymous

    I grew up in an ethnically diverse community, went to state colleges with a diverse student body, and worked in Boston for a number of years. All of those life experiences have taught me that America is unique because we have so many diverse groups who came here to make a better life for themselves, and who added their cultural heritages to the mix that is America. Each of the groups that came here initally experienced hostility because people fear what they do not know. Once they got to know their new neighbors as human beings, their attitudes and behaviors changed and they saw each other as human beings. If you are going to hate someone, hate them for something they have done to you, not for who they are.  I have known good people and I have known real “winners” of all different backgrounds. I do not live in Lewiston, but I would not vote for any candidate that expressed such close-minded opinions.

    • Anonymous

      You are not a Mainer and want to change Maine, how nice.

      • Anonymous

        I don’t want to change Maine. I never said that nor do I think it is possible or even desirable. But Maine is not just one big monolithic state where everyone thinks the same or acts the same. All I am trying to point out is that almost everyone in the United States had ancestors from somewhere else, and they all had to deal with the hostility of the people who were already living here. We all need to remember that. And to remember that good people and real a–holes come from all groups of people, not just certain groups of people.

        • Anonymous
          • Anonymous

            Thanks for the good laugh. I am not sure what you were trying to say, but it explains a lot, lol.

      • Anonymous

        You are not a mainer and want to keep maine just the way it is.  How nice.

        • Anonymous

          Born in waterville, parents are Canadian PQ

          • Anonymous

             Robert Karl Skoglund is the humble farmer who was vilified and abused by PBS. Please give him your respect as he has contributed a lot for our education on important matters and was silenced.
              http://thehumblefarmer.com/hear.html

    • My people, the Robinsons, also received a cool reception from the natives when they arrived in Thomaston.  — Probably because of their strange language, ways and dress. Because of this I have tried to bend over backwards to welcome the newer families, like the Tolman’s, who didn’t move into our area until the 1750’s.

      The humble Farmer 

    • FrankC

      Excerpted from an email I rec’d:
      Islam is a “dual” system: On the one hand, it is a political system; on the
      other hand, it poses as a religion. The problem is, the political side
      of Islam seeks to dominate the world and conquer every nation for its
      “prophet” Muhammad and establish a worldwide Caliphate (Muslim
      dictatorship). This objective is what all practicing Muslims believe in.

      Sadly, many of our politicians are burying their heads in the sand when it comes to this danger and many voters remain ignorant of it.Take the vote that happened in the U.S. Senate this past weekend as an example:

      Senators approved a spending resolution to keep the federal
      government funded for the next six months. During that process, Sen.
      Rand Paul submitted a resolution that would terminate foreign aid to
      Egypt, Libya, Pakistan and Yemen unless they meet certain conditions
      first – such as not butchering American embassy staff.

      The Paul amendment failed 10-81 and numerous Republican Senators called the proposal “dangerous” and “irresponsible.”In other words, as our nation is facing a severe ongoing financial crisis bordering on BANKRUPTCY, the U.S. Senate chose to pile even more financial debt on future American taxpayers in order to appease the very Islamists who are murdering us.

      Short-term appeasement will only embolden a political system that
      seeks to overthrow the United States Constitution and replace it with
      repressive Sharia law.

      Congressman Hakim Muhammad, for example, is up for re-election in Minnesota this year. He has also used the names Keith Hakim, Keith X Ellison and Keith Muhammad-Ellison, before he finally settled on the name “Keith Ellison” when he first ran for public
      office.

      Mr. Muhammad, as a Muslim, is required to support the takeover of America by Islam

      ……..

      Your thoughts?

      • Anonymous

        I am confused about what this has to do with the topic. Maybe I have not had enough coffee yet to figure that out. But I am thinking maybe there is not enough coffee in the world to help me with that. So my response is ???????????????????

  • Anonymous

    A gift from Angus King for a few Federal dollars

  • Anonymous

    That diversity crap was the first thing spouted after the killings by the Muslim psychiatrist.
    We need citizens who put America before their religion, their tribe,or country of origin.
      Diversity  to a Muslim, means them first, before the Infidel.

  • Anonymous

    I thought I was living in a free Country but i guess not

    • Anonymous

      so you don’t think he should be exercising his right to free speech?

  • Anonymous

    The problem is probably a definition of ‘culture.’  America is a country that not only allows but encourages freedom of religion and thought.  However, there are some commonalities that help to make the country strong such as a single language.  

    Until very recently all immigrants learned within a generation to speak the Americanized English most of us speak here.  It was very common in the small town in which I was born to have classmates whose grandparents spoke a foreign language.  They were the generation who brought their families to America.  They insisted their children learn English as soon as possible.  Their grandchildren might or might not learn their grandparents’ languages.  My friends’ grandparents spoke Greek; my great-grandmother spoke German.  

    The part of culture that is maintained manifests mostly in religion and inter-relational attitudes.  Our American ideal of ‘equality’ is probably the hardest with which to acclimate.  Several years ago I went to my hometown and ran into the mother of one of my high school friends.  We had not stayed in touch after I went away to college.

    After a lengthy rave about her oldest son (whom I had idolized as a teenager), I finally had to ask about my friend.  ‘Oh,’ she said, ‘we married off the girl.’  That was it.  I was stunned.  I had not been brought up to be a girl that was married off.  They’ll need a few more generations to be Americanized.  

    The cultural inequalities both between sexes and generations are the hardest to overcome.   However, when we encourage maintaining language barriers we make difficult things almost impossible.  Over the past two or three decades we have been encouraging immigrants to keep their own language.  We have reached the point with our Spanish speaking immigrants that there are enough of them who do not speak our national language that there is an insistance that the country conform to the immigrant instead of the other way around.

    There are cultures that treat their women and children extremely harshly by our standards.  When in America there are some cultural practices that cannot be tolerated because they are against not only our American mores, but also against our laws.  Honor killings, wife beating, child mutilation come to mind.  First, one must know that such things are not acceptable here.  Knowledge without common language is difficult.

    It takes generations to conform to a new society.  The first step is to not insist the society conform to you.  For over two hundred years immigrants have flocked to America because we are the land of opportunity.  We want that opportunity to be for all Americans, and that requires an understanding of how opportunity works.

    • FrankC

      Good post, thanks. 

    • Anonymous

      Great post.

    • Anonymous

      Great post.  I do wonder about the failure to learn English though…how can one obtain a job if one doesn’t speak the language?  Are we not setting a whole group of people up for generational poverty?  I’m just curious what others think.

      • Anonymous

        My Micmac ancestors learned English, My Grandpa fought a war for this country before Indians were allowed American citizenship (Indian Citizenship Act of 1924). If it was good enough for him, it is good enough for anyone else. He never complained about it. I am not saying it was right, but he just dealt with it and carried on. English is the official language of our nation. You need to be fluent in English to work, if you can’t work- you have to go on public assistance. Kudos to Mayor Macdonald for saying what needed to be said. Welcome to the US, this is the way we do things, if you can’t handle it get on the Turnpike and head North, Canada is a few hours away. If you want to embrace our way of life, welcome-we are glad to have you here.  

        • Anonymous

          Unfortunately, English is NOT the OFFICIAL language of the USA at least not legally!  Google “Official English” or “U.S. English” and you may well be shocked!

          This article is another in the series that someone in the media is using to push “diversity!”

          • Anonymous

            I stand corrected in that regard. I do not waiver on what I stated concerning my Grandfather’s American experience. For that matter any group that came here previously and wanted to “belong” to our collective culture, whilst keeping elements of their original culture such as has been so eloquently stated elsewhere in these pages. Thank you for the insightful correction. 

          • Anonymous

            I DID agree with your post!

          • Anonymous

            You are right tkwayne.   When Baldacci…yes, that Baldacci was in congress he helped defeat legislation that would formally make English the official language of the US.  When he was guv of Maine he fought against it being the official language of Maine.  

      • Anonymous

        The Somalis don’t have to learn English to collect welfare and food stamps.

        • Anonymous

          But is that the way we want our country to work? 

        • Anonymous

          Bull crap they do!

        • Anonymous

          Historically you didn’t need English to work the mills in Lewistone.
          You just needed to be willing to work for less than a Yankee ever would.

          • Alec Cunningham

            Sounds like the lettuce fields of California…

          • Anonymous

            Exactly.

            So Joe,  did you have to look twice at the photo of Mayor Mac
            to be sure which finger that was, like I did ?

            ; )

        • Anonymous

          True, but DHHS is supposed to learn the Somali language? Sounds bass ackwards to me. Bigtime.

      • Juniors Farm

        I take it you’ve never been to Florida,English is a second language there.If ones going to live in America,then they need to learn English…Period.

        • Anonymous

          I think that was the point of my post.  By allowing immigrants to come here and not learn English so they can get a job to support themselves, we are allowing another generation of people to live in poverty or on government aid. 

          • Juniors Farm

            Yup,you said it well,”You go Girl”!.

        • Anonymous

          I live in Florida and dispute your assertion that English is a second language there. Sure, there are immigrants galore, but English IS the language.

    • Anonymous

       Really good post!!

    • Anonymous

      these people are first generation AND most know at least some English.   I guarantee their children will be fluent in English.    What is the difference?

      • Detroit has a 47% functional iliteracy rate and most have come from generations inside america.

    • Anonymous

      I agree.  Being a German/Greek myself, and first generation, I have always felt very American. We enjoyed the German Christmas traditions (opening gifts on Christmas Eve) and the Greek Easters (yummy Easter bread) which enhanced my life.  But always, we were always American.

    • Anonymous

      I can agree to a point, but is that why we have to press 1 for English and 2 for Spanish? That a lot in the Southwest if you do not know Spanish you are out of luck. That Obama relaxed the immigrant policy to allow more to stay?

      • Anonymous

         Obama has actually had great success stemming the flow of immigrants and has deported more than his predecessor. 

    • Anonymous

      Thank you. You said beautifully what I have been struggling to put into sentences that made sense. 

    • Anonymous

      Very good post.  I don’t suppose the “opportunity” that you speak of in the final paragraph includes receiving government housing, “free” healthcare, food stamps, and the like does it?

      “America” used to be the place people emmigrated to to find work (as steel workers, brick layers, the list goes on).  Unfortunately that dynamic has changed and now a lot of folks come here for the free benefits that we hand out all too easily.

      • Alec Cunningham

        I know that in some places, like Nevada and Georgia, the comfortable Americans won’t so dirty jobs, such as hang drywall or pluck chickens, so the only people left are immigrants, legal and illegal to do it.  It is an unfortunate myth that people continue to spread that people from other countries flock to ours to rape us of our social services benefits, implying that immigrants, legal and illegal, don’t do their fair share (which most do, and then do even more).  

    • Anonymous

      “AMERICANS” being the key word here.

       Not
       African Americans
       Franco Americans
       Somali Americans
       Irish Americans
       Arab Americans
       Chinese Americans
       And on and on.

       The progressive mentality would like for us to trash our constitution in exchange for their  “one world” philosophy, but human nature trumps what any liberal think tank would have us do.

      “E Pluribus Unum”……….From many, one.
      That “ONE” means AMERICAN

      • Anonymous

        I agree with you with ref to the ‘whatever’ Americans. We’re Americans if we’re born here and/or once we become a Naturalized Citizen. I did have to chuckle, though, at the ending of this post, since E Pluribus Unum is Latin, not English. Viva diversity!

        • Anonymous

          …”Originally suggesting that out of many colonies or states emerge a
          single nation, in recent years it has come to suggest that out of many
          peoples, races, religions and ancestries has emerged a single people and
          nation—illustrating the concept of the melting pot …”

      • Anonymous

        Its from many, one.  Not, from one, one.  The “from many” implies diversity. 

        And conservatives have been hand wringing about the “one world” thing since Truman.  Take a deep breath. 

        • Alec Cunningham

          And diversity is such a bad word among some crowds.  However, I don’t think forced diversity is good. 

          I remember one time an old white man told me how the whites are outnumbered out in Los Angeles.  His eyes were wide open like he was telling me something he shouldn’t.  I thought he was ridiculous because white people would be outnumbered only if he is looking at it from a “whites vs everyone else” viewpoint.   

          • Whites are outnumbered by the non asian minorities in LA. If you look at per capita murder rates from around the world you will see that only white and asian nations are low.

          • Anonymous

             What a racist and ill-informed statement.  Egypt, Tunisia, Morocco, Somalia, Algeria, and several other African nations all have lower homicide rates than most European countries and all North American ones.  I suggest you put your white sheets away and learn a little bit more about different cultures.

          • Alec Cunningham

            That IS interesting.  Our “white” nation is higher than other “white” nations and even higher than the Islamic north African and Middle Eastern countries (except for Iraq). 

            Maybe there’s something to that dang culture of theirs!

            http://chartsbin.com/view/1454

          • Anonymous

            than move to those places where they still stone people to death.

          • Anonymous

             Our country still puts people to death as well.  I don’t believe we can try to claim a moral high ground.  Especially since we had a Supreme Court that decided that a punishment could be cruel or unusual but not both.

          • Anonymous

            Yours is a shocking statement…. and I think deficient in logic. I think you are the ill informed one here. Even if you have “statistics” to back up your statement,  think about these:

            1) Could it be that crime reporting and statistics in these countries is different from ours? Do you really think that there is someone in the non-government of Somalia who keeps track of homicides?
            2) Could it be that the young men (most homicide perps) are busy rioting and killing en mass and therefore not guilty of “homicide”?
            3) Could it be that the dictators in the countries you named sit so hard on the people that they do not dare tell the truth about anything?

            Please try for a little intellectual honesty, ltr77.

          • Anonymous

             Sure Billie, all of that is possible.  Could you point to me some statistics or proof that the rate is higher in Morocco than it is in the US?

          •  Half the murders in the US are committed by the 13% of Blacks.

            Interesting that you want to blame what happens in white countries on us whites.  It’s almost like you expect us to be virtually everyone in our countries, just like Asians are in Korea and Japan.

          • Alec Cunningham

            Again, and “us vs them” attitude.  “Outnumbered,” as if we’re talking about a war.

      • Anonymous

        Originally, it was used in the Great Seal and was ‘translated’ to signify “out of many (colonies) emerges one (nation)”.

        More recently, it supports the concept of the ‘melting pot’ ie diversity.

      • Anonymous

        But speak ENGLISH!!!!

        • Alec Cunningham

          Why?  Why is it your business what I speak?

          • Anonymous

            It is if your speaking to me!

          • Anonymous

             Ironically, you seem incapable of speaking English, or at least typing it.  It is You’re.  I would suggest you worry about yourself speaking and writing proper English before you admonish any others to do the same.

          • Anonymous

            The usual grammar police check in….

          • Anonymous

             I can understand how frustrating it must be to have people expect you to talk and write in proper English.  Some people in this country want to force others to do such, I however will continue to allow you to not be able to talk and write proper English.  Partly because I am not a xenophobic bigot.

          • Anonymous

             Right, you are not a XENOPHOBIC bigot.  But you are a cultural bigot.

          • Anonymous

             What culture was I being bigoted against?  Unless of course we are considering racists as their own culture now.

          • Anonymous

            You only do it to change the topic.  The truth is you have nothing real to contribute.

          • Anonymous

             I believe I was referring to a comment about how we should require everyone to communicate in English.  I was pointing out the hypocrisy that the original poster was not actually adept at communicating in English.   I fail to see how that is changing the topic.

          • Alec Cunningham

            Grammar, a necessary part of English, matters.  The miracle of the language is that there is a right word for anything and using the wrong word sometimes doesn’t mean the same thing.

          • Anonymous

            You should put You’re in quotation marks. Write “you’re” please, if you want to be proper.

          • Anonymous

             Billie, I personally don’t care if people write in proper English, Spanish, or French.  In fact they could communicate in pig latin for all I care.  That was kind of the point of the statement.

          • Alec Cunningham

            (repeated posts caused by email errors-sorry!)

          • Anonymous

            “It is if your speaking to me!”

            [snickers heard all about the room]

            Then the darkest follow in the crowd asks;
            “Is it okay with you if we all decide that we’d rather not learn to speak English like yours, Boss ?”

          • Yawningattrolls

            TROLL ALERT! BAITER IN ACTION!

        • Alec Cunningham

          Why?  Why is it your business what I speak?

          • Anonymous

            ditto

        • Alec Cunningham

          Why?  Why is it your business what I speak?

          • Anonymous

            as above

    • Anonymous

      I am shocked. I expected you to be vilified here, yey almost all of the responses have been positive.
      No stupid comments aimed at you, or McDonnald or even lePage.
      This is the first post that I “like”d on purpose.

      • Anonymous

        Thankyou! I have been very pleased with the positive responses, also.

    • Anonymous

      You give a wonderful paean to the American ideals of equality, but it isn’t what the Mayor of Lewiston said.  And we all know–though no one will admit it–that racism is alive and well and that the Mayor was pandering to those low elements in our society. 

      It’s a neat little political game.  Say something provocative that impresses a large segment of your constituency, then backtrack and claim, “Oh no no, I didn’t mean that.”  Typical politics.

      By the way, the GOP does all it can it interfere with women’s rights to control their own body, not to mention comments like Akin’s “legitimate rape.” The white male hierarchy of Elephanthood better start women far better.

      • Ah yes those darn GOP haters…Stay away from womens body unless of course it is free birth control then it’s ok! hypocrite is that spelled Democrat or Liberal?

        • Alec Cunningham

          What is your beef with free birth control?   Would it be better if the woman paid a co-payment?  And it’s about a woman and what she wants to do with her body-how is that hypocritical?

          • It is not free someone has to pay for it! She should pay for the whole thing.

          • Anonymous

            They are paying for it.  It is only free if they have insurance.  Insurance for over a decade has covered Viagra, why shouldn’t it cover prescription for women’s health?

          • Anonymous

            What you don’t seem to realize is the insurance company will up their premiums to cover this new mandate.  I work for a pharmacy and insurance companies already covered birth control at low cost to the consumer. And only a few will actually cover viagra  with limits and  at a very high copay.

          • Anonymous

            Actually, policies that DO cover birth control cost insurance companies LESS than policies that DON’T.  (Covering multiple pregnancies, complications, and deliveries really jacks up the bill!)

        • If there is free Viagra,why not free birth control?

      • His town got flooded with somoli refugees.  More than 1 in 10 in his town is a somoli muslim refugee when christians are the persecuted minority somoli. Taqiyya is the muslim practice of lying to infidels or to advance islam.

    • Anonymous

      A truly insightful and well written post!

    •  eloquent and wise..thank you for this.

  • Anonymous

    Being rude is NOT being American… there is a difference.

    • Ben Hutchins

       Albeit not much of one, if you ask most Europeans. :)

      • Anonymous

        I know, how sad is that?  Americans really are perceived by Europeans as extremely rude. I can hardly say that I blame them for feeling this way when I see Americans defending their perceived “right” to treat others badly.  :-)

        • Anonymous

           I guess you have never been to France.   They can give lessons in rudeness even to residents of NY city.  

          • Anonymous

            That’s irrelevant and ridiculous thinking.  Rudeness is wrong no matter who or what country or culture a person comes from.  Haven’t you heard that two wrongs never makes a right?

          • Anonymous

            Mirror.

  • Anonymous

    Have you said this to any of the Native Americans that live here in the state of Maine, oh that’s right you can’t because that’s EXACTLY what the white people did

  • Anonymous

    He is 100% correct.  push one for English.

  • Anonymous

    You’re absolutely right in response to Houltonborn…sad that people think that way.  Houltonborn purports that the Somalis (or any immigrant group) are trying to push their cultural beliefs on us…who says they are trying to TRANSFORM our country anyway?  Besides, wasn’t our country “transformed” by the MANY different immigrant groups who came here a short time ago?  Wonder what the native population thinks…because it was mainly the Caucasian race who totally came here and TRANSFORMED their culture.  Sorry, this reply should’ve been addressed to Houltonborn, he/she’s the one with a distorted view.

  • Anonymous

    Not true. The people the commenters’ oppose have every right to celebrate or practice thier religion on at home in this country and are not vilified for doing so.  We are NOT like those we oppose.  Those we oppose would MURDER you for ‘mentioning/practicing” our religion.  Your arguement does not hold water.

  • Preston Nethercutt

    When your angry little head finally explodes, please try to limit the splatter to your fellow travelers.

  • Anonymous

    Whos moving to Somali and placing an American Flag outside their Hut?? Come on Step right up and give it a try!!!

  • While McDonald sit’s in the Mayor’s office, and everytime he opens his mouth, he is speaking as the Mayor of Lewiston, not just his own political party. He indeed has the right to free speech. But someone had better remind him that with that right also comes the responsibility to use and exercise it responsibly since anything he says, now that he’s Mayor, that impacts the community is now Official Town Policy. That put’s the entire Town of Lewiston on the hook for anything that comes out of McDonald. From what’s seen here, well, McDonald has no idea as to just what he set in motion and now has Lewiston responsible for. It would appear that the LePage brand of political thinking has now taken root outside of Augusta.

  • Christopher Ruhlin

    Just another example of a simple hick trying to manage a complex situation with no skills 
    and a head full of backward, blockheaded racists ideas. 
      If Lewiston had been even slightly interested they could have helped to shape a “little Somalia” that would have celebrated the peoples culture and could be a tourist destination like “Chinatowns” in Boston, NewYork and in Canada.  But alas the mayor chose the “love it or leave it” plan.
    Just when I thought Maine couldn’t look any worse…we get this guy.
    Great photo BTW…sums it nicely.

  • Anonymous

    …I’m pretty sure that I am going to Octoberfest later this week. Is that getting canceled now that all cultures need to give up the ghost for the AMERICAN culture?

  • Anonymous

    I agree if you are proud of your country go fight for it. Don’t come here and live off us. I am not a bigot or prejudice, but enough is enough. What would our Medicaid deficit be if we weren’t supporting an influx of immigrants. What happened to the days, people came here to work and make the country better not live of the people already here.  I really hate looking at others buying expensive foods or Clothes etc on EBT cards. I work to support them and I can’t afford have what we are giving away.

    How many of our retired population, would struggle for heat or medications if we were not giving to others?

    • Jake_OO7

      Too bad you never fought for the USA Mr. Republican Bigot. 

  • Anonymous

    I’m shocked that ultra-liberal Bates College, with its $200 million plus endowment fund, hasn’t integrated the Somalis with its liberal out-of-state student population.  How many Somalis are employed at Bates College – it’s been a decade.  Bates could have educated hundreds of Somalis in that time.  Think of all that empty housing at Bates in the summer.

    • Anonymous

      Except that Somali men will not work if there is a woman as the supervisor nor will they take a class where the instructor is a woman. Is this the part of their culture that a lot of the posters on this site like?

      • Anonymous

        Bates is culturally sensitive enough to make accommodations.  Bates has multiple courses in Islamic topics and “Encountering Religious Diversity.”  The answer must be to let Bates solve the problem with the talent of their hundreds of faculty and staff members, and their ample treasure chest.  Otherwise, it would seem that they aren’t practicing what they teach.

        • Anonymous

          But why should they? Do you think that women are not as equally qualified as men to instruct a course? The Somalis do. So when there is a clash between our culture and theirs which one should be followed. I am going with ours.

  • Anonymous

    does he go to the local Franco-American festival and tell the people to leave their culture at the door?

    • Anonymous

       My thoughts exactly.

  • Anonymous

     I agree… we are too politically correct. Every day a new word is banned as politically incorrect. I am either Niave or behind the times as I never new the word Monday was politically incorrect until reading it in the paper.

  • Anonymous

    This mayor is truly ignorant. His bigotry has no place in this country. He is the one who should leave. Maybe he can borrow Adrienne Bennett to explain away his stupidity like she does for our Guvnah.

  • Last week on my way back to the island I stopped off at Tidewater Farm in Falmouth Foreside where two africans were quietly working alone on their garden plots raising crops for the homeless and for the needy in their own communities in Lewiston.

    Maybe we should conform to their culture of inclusivity and community.

    • Anonymous

      Please Linday send me food, money, a new car, please fill all my needs while I sit in my chair waiting for everyone to share their stuff with me…  Sorry since I’m just sitting here waiting for other peoples stuff to live on I have nothing to share with you.  culture of inclusivity and community, WOW.. We already do that with the welfare system.

      •  kindness,especially in community, is never wrong, Pushedtheredbtton.

        a very large percentage of the working poor on my island are fed only through the island food pantry..all volunteer in donations of food, including locally grown fresh produce, and in distribution..which includes deliveries at home t shut ins and those without transportation.

        This is called community, pushedtheredbutton. 

        This is called humanity, pushedtheredbutton.

        Don’t worry, you can make ammeds..grow a row next year for your local food pantry.  Go and volunteer to help with collecting donations of food and distrubuting it.

        Take a casserole or soup to a neighbor who is recovering from serious illness.

        See if you can help by driving an elderly neighbor to doctr appoinyments or a neighbor with cancer to radiation and chemo.

        This is the culture here and in many small rural communities.  Neighbor to neighbor helping one another.

        This is the culture these two african farmers were taking home to the urban streets of of their new communities in America.

        This is what America is all about.

        • Anonymous

           Thank you, neighbor.

        • Anonymous

          I have a garden that I share with others, and done work for an elderly neighbor for years for free, I want the right to do so or the right not to. I have had people abuse my kindness so I just stopped with them. Please don’t label what I do out of kindness as inclusivity of community for there are some I refuse to help.

          •  thank you for what you do do to share and help..no apologies or excuses needed for those you have chosen to exclude.because they have abused your kindness.

            programs like food stamps arose when we sopped caring for one another neighbor to neighbor.  If everyone did as you do we wouldn’t need food stamps.

            That was my original point in my post about the afircan farmers at Tidewater Farms.

            It’s good I think to have  a reminder, in community, through the cluture of these new immigrants that we have stopped  looking out for one another neighbor  to neighbor.That in doing that we have created “the big government” so many complain about.

            The more we do for one another neighbor to to neighbor the less government has to do.

          • Like it or not fact is help used to come from the Churches and the communities they served…over the last 40 years attendance at churches has dwindled and government has taken the reigns! This is with all faiths! 

          •  Hi Steve..yes I think that has been true but more and more churches are stepping up  and running soup kitchens, food pantries, homeless shelters and more and more the elderly and the working poor and students are who is being served..

            I have been pondering too how and when this came about..when we stopped caring for one another in family and in community..when and how it got so bad that we just decided to “contract” with government to do it through our taxes..

            So much of Americas industrialization and territorial expansion coast to coast was on the back of exploitation of children and  women.  Children arrived alone on ships and were farmed out along the route to anyone who who take them to be used as free labor not  to be loved and cared for and raised as family.

             Perhaps that history has something to do with the breakdown in the almost natural fabric of community that includes caring for one another.

          • FrankC

             Many many years ago, concluded that the issues affecting all sections of our society was caused by the breakdown of society’s “Puritan work ethic”.

          •  would be a very very interesting topic to unpack and explore a bit more..start a blog somewhere..or maybe I’ll create a TED Conversation where we can all talk about this more.  It needs more thought, for sure.  It’s an important question..when did we complete lose the habit of caring for one another..family member to family member, neighbor to neighbor?

  • Anonymous

    American accepted and took people that no one else wanted…that is what made America a great nation….the poor, uneducated, fleeing masses of persecution.
    I am more concerned with “nation builders” trying to make other nations in their form of democracy (Libya, Egypt as examples).

  • Anonymous

    “I think he’s truly a good guy who sometimes isn’t always politically correct,” Cayer said.

    Then he shouldn’t be a politician.

    • Anonymous

      I agree. Politicians have to represent all their constituents, not just the ones who share their ethnic background. All I can say is if I were as ignorant as the mayor of Lewiston, I would not want to display my ignorance so publicly.

  • Anonymous

    how pathetic. we are a land of immigrants. did you pass history?

    • Anonymous

      True though my ancestors, then considered themselves Americans, Not African Americans, or Latino Americans. They were and still are pround of their heritage, but are Americans first.

      • Anonymous

        lol. as if there’s no FRENCH culture and pride in Lewiston. this is laughable, and absolutely embarrassing to our state.

  • Anonymous

    wow. the redneck mentality on here is so sad.

  • Anonymous

    That’s totally what is says on the base of the Statue of Liberty!  You nailed it, word for word…..pffffffff.

    • Too bad you dont know history as the statue of liberty was a gift from France.

      • Anonymous

        Uh, yes I am well aware of the origins of the Statue of Liberty.  What I don’t know is what your point is.

  • Anonymous

    What part of the islam religion don’t you get?  Separate roles for men and women and ne’er the two shall meet, yup, that’s an attitude and a belief we want in this country…

    • Anonymous

      Don’t we already have some of those attitudes in this country, with fundamentalists and the GOP?

      • Anonymous

        Don’t like them either.

    • Anonymous

       “separate roles for men and women…”  no difference in most religions from what I’ve witnessed.

      • Anonymous

        Yep, don’t favor catholicism, orthodox judaism, or any sex-defined roles in religion.

  • Anonymous

    If you believe in (Somali culture) so much, why aren’t you over there fighting for it?” Macdonald said in the WGME interview. “If you believe in it so much, why aren’t you over there shedding your blood to get it? Why are you over here shirking your duties?”

    I agree with his statement. Why can’t people take a comment for its intent. Everyone knows what his intent was.  Geez get over it , move on and help make this country great.

  • Anonymous

    Good for him! Its about time we drop the politically correct nonsense! “when the truth becomes politically incorrect, its time to reset the conversation.” We’re all immigrants? No crap sherlock, that excuse is invalid, get over it. You want to move to the greatest country on earth, then learn our language and geta job and EARN your way! These people should not be getting any handouts from us simply because their country is a complete wate of space. Get with the program (not the welfare one) or get on out

  • Tedlick Badkey

    Wow… Um… I’ve been to Lewiston plenty of times. Personally, I think they should welcome any culture they can get their hands on!!!.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YTkxr3j2HQ

  • Anonymous

    Pure ignorance. I think sometimes we’re too quick to hold others to a higher standard than we hold ourselves. So because they Somalis look different, dress different, and speak different, they’re refusing to accept our culture? Come on. 

    Sounds a lot like Scott Brown when he pointed to Elizabeth Warren and said “does she look native American?” Diversity and culture isn’t always about how we look and sound — however, sometimes it is represented in how we look and sound and it’s unfair to judge Somalis because their culture is more apparent with a first glance. 

    • So in your logic I should be just as afraid of a toddler walking down the street at 2 in the afternoon as a gang of 20 something at 3am in a bad neighborhood?

  • Tedlick Badkey

    Never read up on how the “culture” of America came about, did you?

    I guess all those folks coming over in boats should have just stayed home, huh?

  • My people, the Robinsons, also received a cool reception from the natives when they arrived in Thomaston.  — Probably because of their strange language, ways and dress. Because of this I have tried to bend over backwards to welcome the newer families, like the Tolman’s, who didn’t move into our area until the 1750’s.

    The humble Farmer

  • Anonymous

    It is time this PC crap gets thrown out the door, The first mayor who spoke up and warned of a REAL fiscal challenge for Lewiston because of the quantity of immigrants was decried as a racist.  But you know what, he was RIGHT!  It had nothing to do with race but the real world of finance.  Just because it makes you feel good doesn’t mean it is the responsible thing to do!!!
    I am for one am tired of this, it is time for the people to realize the Emperor has no clothes, and we need to address this challenges head on and don’t  HIDE  behind the veil of racism!!!  

  • Anonymous

    Anyone who disagrees with his comments, I invite you to invite the Somalis to live in your city/town.  You can support them.  In order for any immigrant to be successful they have to learn the culture and language of their new country.  Take a look at what has happened in CA.  If your rich you can live there, if your poor you can live there, if your middle class?  Forget about it you leave.  And they are.

  • Anonymous

    Two headlines from recent editorals in this very paper “Drown messages of hate with words of support” and “Confront intolerance or violence is close behind”, though written regarding the vandalism of the Jewish synagogues in Bangor, apply just as aptly to this article. Hate is an ugly word to describe an ugly emotion. Before I moved to Maine several years ago, my friends who lived here talked about how nice people were in Maine. That niceness is not showing up too well right now.

  • Anonymous

    I think all the Somalis should move to Bangor, keep their language and their culture and all you Bangorians can support them for generations. I’d guess that that is what is behind the Lewiston mayors comments. They are costing his city alot of money and he does not see them doing anything constructive to improve their situation.

    • Anonymous

      didn’t the cities of Lewiston and Portland initially invite the Somalis to move there?

      • Anonymous

        I do not believe so. I know the Catholic Charities helped some in Portland, which involves showing them the ropes of the various support structures and that’s it. The Lewiston population I believe was originally settled in GA but it was dangerous and not welcoming so someone suggested Maine.

        • Anonymous

          Catholic Charities pretty much set the whole thing up, and got them hooked up to all the freebies that the couch surfers get.

      • No a liberal offered space to a somoli family and somoli refugees from around the nation have moved to this once prosperous, and safe area.

      • Anonymous

         They did.  They needed immigrants to come in and support the dying cities and restore them to vitality.

        • Anonymous

          ” They needed immigrants to come in and support the dying cities and restore them to vitality.”

          Yeah, good thing for downtown Lewiston that they did, too. 
          Otherwise,  it would be Detroit on the Androscoggin.  

          But as it is , “In January 2009, Newsweek associated a drop in crime rate, soaring income per capita and increased business activity in Lewiston with recent immigration to the town by Somalis.

          In 2006, KPMG International released a study identifying the best places to do business around the world after taxes. It ranked Lewiston the best in New England.

          The rise of working age immigrants coupled with government funded programs to re-establish a thriving economy in Lewiston are the two biggest causes for the economic renaissance experiences in Lewiston-Auburn in the past decade.[13]”

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somali_and_Bantu_migration_to_Maine#Arrival

    • Anonymous

      People like bangorian only complain about how others think and act.  Let’s see if  bangorian will place an open comment inviting any Somali or other immigrant family who will be losing their welfare, to board at his place, at his expense.  What about it bangorian??
      Are you going to put your money where your mouth is, or just let out your liberal whine??

    • Anonymous

      Fine with me, ‘specially if they contribute as much to the community as did the Lebanese refugees that the same Catholic Charities settled in Bangor during the 1950’s.

  • Anonymous

    Good to know the culture police still patrol!  Maybe this arrogent politician should go inspect their homws to make sure they arn’t speaking their native tongue!  There are numerous cities in this country that have cultural neighborhoods and they thrive.  No need for this bufoon to feel so threatened.  I don’t think anyone wants him to learn the Somali language. He has enough trouble with English.

  • isn’t that what happen between the whites and Native americans?

  • Anonymous

    It is suppose to be a melting pot. Whatever religion has been messed up, taken prayer out of schools after what 180-190 years. The liberalism has become disturbing. I am proud of my heritage too, which is several. We are a diverse culture, as you said “calls for America to follow Sharia law” Muslims would surely welcome that. If I wanted my area to be Irish, or Scotch or one of my other blood lines I would move their, not tranform everyone else.
    And English should be the language of America.

    • Anonymous

      There have been several attempts at making English the official language of the USA but they have never passed in Congress.  The states of Alabama,
      Alaska, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Hawaii,
      Illinois,
      Indiana, Iowa, Kentucky, Louisiana, Massachusetts, Mississippi,
      Missouri,
      Montana, Nebraska, New Hampshire, North Carolina, North Dakota, South
      Carolina,
      South Dakota, Tennessee, Utah, Virginia, and Wyoming all have state laws on the books making English the official language of their state.

      • Anonymous

        Lets make Maine next, provide teachers, not interpreters !!

        • Alec Cunningham

          How can English be the official language when we’re a nation and state made up of Americans from all over the world?
          This is just a way to elevate one segment over another.  We see it with the anti-gay sentiment, we see it with the anti-woman ideals, we see it with the anti-immigrant diatribes.  Oh, what a wonderful country this would be if we were all middle-aged straight white men!

          • Anonymous

            How many languages do you speak? I want to be able to talk  someone I do business with!!

        • Alec Cunningham

          How can English be the official language when we’re a nation and state made up of Americans from all over the world?
          This is just a way to elevate one segment over another.  We see it with the anti-gay sentiment, we see it with the anti-woman ideals, we see it with the anti-immigrant diatribes.  Oh, what a wonderful country this would be if we were all middle-aged straight white men!

  • I apologize to everyone for what they are about to read: a discussion of actual history. So, unfortunately, Mayor Macdonald’s assertions fly directly in the face of American history. The eastern seaboard of North America, since the early 17th century, has been home to English people, Swedes, Germans, Scots-Irish, Lutherans, Calvinists, Catholics, Spanish, Dutch, French, free Africans, enslaved Africans, and white servants. As a matter of fact, New York (formerly New Netherlands until the mid 1600s) and Philadelphia wouldn’t be the massive global cultural centers that they are now if their Dutch and English Quaker colonists (respectively) weren’t so tolerant of other peoples’ cultures. So you see, people? This country, no matter what state you’re in, has never been dominated by one culture… even when the first peoples inhabited this place by themselves. Remember them? Remember when Europeans came to North America and “inserted their culture” into that of the Native Americans? And as a sort of response to another commenter I can assure you that I “know this from personal experience (TEACHER!!!!!!!!)”

    • I guess you forgot about the Vikings, they showed up when! I wonder why kids are doing horrible in school… teacher!

  • I’m not sure that anything you’re talking about is happening. I’ve been in and out of Maine for the past 10 years and, in terms of change, I haven’t seen more than a few restaurants come and go (honestly, its really unfortunate). So are you referencing actual reality, or simply talking out of fear?

  • Anonymous

    Houltonborn: “DO NOT come here and…..”   Over half of this great State of Maine could be appropriately named “Occupied Canada” and so are you and you half-wit sympathizers extending your belligerent message to our French Canadians as well as those Mainers with Italian and Irish ancestry? My question if you are so intolerant of selected nationalities why are you living here in Maine? Find yourself a hole or an isolated island to retreat to. My ancestors have sacrificed too much for our Maine communities having great pride in support of diversity, tolerance and acceptance of all!!!!

    • Then support diversity and more to the south side of Chicago and come back and tell us how you were treated!

      • Anonymous

        Unfortunately, one does not have to travel to Chicago to witness a failed society burdened with poverty, crime, and illiteracy.  You’ll find all of that here in our lovely state of  Maine. One does not even have to leave Bangor for a taste of Chicago. Bangor, a city with an amazing record for crimes, drugs, poverty and yet so geographically isolated (wicked weird)! Attend any of the Bangor Waterfront Concerts and  one can plainly see the line of demarcation as served by the river-side of its Main Street. On on side you have those with ample funds for extra pleasure enjoying live music and outside the park you have those with and without lawn chairs lining the street to listen freely to the tunes at the late night time hours. On the “wrong side of the street” a young mother sways to the tunes holding her crying baby with one arm and a beer in her other, while an exchange of money and “goods” takes place between shadowy characters within the mother’ immediate site. Sadly this scene is not an isolated caption of what’s wrong with Bangor or our State.  Maybe Bangor’s plight would best be resolved with another money making (job creating)  methadone clinic or drug treatment facility?

  • Anonymous

    Is not just Somalis it’s anyone that ever moved to Maine from another state. You’re not a true Mainer it’s very hard to be accepted. 

  • Anonymous

    What are “our” beliefs again?

  • Anonymous

     Now if we could just get the people ‘from away” who are really only ‘wanna be Mainers’ to do the same.

    • Anonymous

      Why don’t you move down to Mass. You sound like the I#iots down there.

  • Anonymous

    I’m curious to know what culture they should be embracing in exchange for checking their own at the door?  What is the definition of this sought after culture?  I am completely aghast not only by the comments made by this man but more by the comments of my fellow Mainers.  My mother was born and raised in Maine.  My father is British.  Does that mean because I chose to stay in Maine I should abandon any British traditions I may celebrate?  No Christmas crackers or mincemeat pies?  This isn’t just a culture – it’s a heritage.  It’s who we are – and we should be proud of it.  And we should be tolerant of others and perhaps learn from them rather than spew hate.  I’ve always said that I love this state so much because Mainers are warm and friendly and come together to help our neighbors in tough times, but I am ashamed of the hateful words on this page.

  • Anonymous

    Why do people so hate the truth?

  • Anonymous

    Anyone who voted for this piece of , ahem, “work” should be ashamed of themselves. He is proving to be more of a buffoon than LePage. Someone please site an  example of something good he has done for the city, so maybe I can understand why anyone would vote for him.

  • Anonymous

     I’m not in his head, but I think the point is, frankly, things do change when you move to another Country. In this Country, honor killings are not OK. You cannot force your wife to be submissive, and then be allowed to beat them if they are not, like in some countries. So yes, sometimes, leave it at the door.

  • Anonymous

    I support Mayor MacDonald’s philosophic position. Yes, the United States is a nation of immigrants – but when people immigrate to this nation, they should become Americans, first, and have no dual allegiances. Yes, it is good to have cultural beliefr based on one’s ancestry – but only if it does not conflict with the adopted nation.

  • Anonymous

    houltonborn, 170 likes and counting.  Bangorian, 59 likes and counting.  That’s why Bob Macdonald got elected mayor of Lewiston. He tells it like it is and the majority who live it every day agree with him.

    • Anonymous

      As Scott Adams says, “you can never underestimate the stupidity of the general public.”
       

  • Anonymous

    I can’t believe  Lewiston tolerates MacDonald as mayor! He is abrasive much like our Governor Lepage.  Maybe they are brothers???  Lewiston,  get rid of this embarrassment!  Maine doesn’t need more teaparty Republicans in our offices!  Get rid of them!!!

  • Anonymous

    “Leave your culture at the door” is an incomprehensible statement from the mayor of a culturally diverse city such as Lewiston. When I lived there French was spoken in the shops and among people of French heritage. Virtually all of those people were bi-lingual and it made for a vibrant and interesting culture. More recently Somali’s and Bantu’s have moved in and they no doubt will try to keep their native languages and tribal cultures alive within their families, as they should feel perfectly free to do. None of that prevents them from becoming American citizens and develop full loyalties to our nation and system of government and laws. The notion that as Americans we should all believe, think and act the same runs contrary the basic ideals we claim to hold so dear. Multiple languages and diverse cultural backgrounds make us stronger not weaker because when we come from differing perspectives and yet agree on our common values we demonstrate that it’s the ideas that matter, not race, language, or personal culture. We are a nation of blacks and whites, Christians and Atheists, former slaves and former aristocrats, natives and immigrants, Republicans and Democrats, and everything in between, but we are united as  Americans. “Leaving one’s culture at the door” never was a requirement for citizenship and never should be.

    • I suggest you educate yourself in Roman history as well as American. When a nation loses a sense of direction and common bond’s the nation is lost! “Leaving one’s culture at the door” never was a requirement for citizenship and never should be. Really considering it was mostly  European Christian who founded this nation in which originally only land owners could vote, blacks were slaves and indians were killed at will. I suggest you relocate to Saudi Arabia and see how they like you ideaology!

  • Conley Raye

    Snaps for Mr. McDonald.  This is what needs to be said on many levels. We are getting to weak to voice anymore. You come to our land, please obay and blend in. Do not set up like Miami’s Little Cuba. Look how that has destroyed one of America’s nicest area’s of years ago. Now, no one wants to go there. If you want your own culture, he is absolutley correct, go back to your home land. This is ours and we want it to remain as it is and has been. Thank you

    • Anonymous

      Will you be providing the skin bleach?

    • Anonymous

      Your Land??? Let me check with the native Indians whose ancestors were killed, poisoned, and imprisoned on reservations by nice people like you and me. Just a little more intolerance and racial hatred and Maine will surely have the world wanting to come here.

      • Anonymous

        did you partake in any of those actions? 

      •  Everyone alive lives on conquered land, Pinko.

      • Sure is Our land it was White Europeans who came and settled and designed what “WE” call America! While your checking also seek out Gary I Gordons family to see what Somalians did to him!

    • Ben Hutchins

       I’m sorry, you sacrificed any credibility you might’ve started with when you described pre-Castro Miami as “one of America’s nicest area’s” [sic].

  • Anonymous

    Give the mayor a break. He probably grew up in Lewiston and has watched his city change drastically. What we say isn’t always what we mean. We’re all from somewhere else and it takes time to be accepted. Be kind to one another and respect others opinions even if they stray from political correctness.

  • Anonymous

    Mayor McDonald, what is that thing growing out of the right of your bottom lip? Take a quarter out of your city’s coffer and pay a rat from your circle of friends to chew it off!

  • Anonymous

    Maine has quite a history for anvil head thinkers like McDonald. In 1832, poor Irish immigrants from St. John, New Brunswick (the beginning of Maine’s first substantial Irish-Catholic community) were belittled and abused by the unwelcoming Mainers which resulted in the Bangor fire of 1833. Knowing history has a way of encouraging us to do better when opportunity presents itself.

  • Melora

    The downtown Lewiston area (according to the Bangor Daily itself) is prosperous with Somali businesses that cater to a large Somali (Musilm-oriented) culture.  What the mayor said is true.  America has its own culture. Many refugees enjoy the welfare of America (they get loans to start their businesses while many Mainers are out of work), they often get free housing too. I do not think immigrants receiving benefits of any kind (many get to go to college as well), should be complaining.  I think the mayor was asking for a level of respect for the country that is taking care of immigrants and should respect the American culture.  

    • Anonymous

      the somalis got government grants for their businesses.

      • Anonymous

        So ?

      • Anonymous

        and government grants come from where, exactly?

  • Anonymous

    WOW !!!! Bigotry at it’s very worst. If the people in Lewiston have any sense they will begin the recall process. How many more times are the citizens of Lewiston going to allow an elected official to spew such garbage? There is no place for this type of bigotry.

  • I grew up in Lewiston.  I can only imagine if someone would have said this to all the Franco-Americans.

    • Anonymous

      My condolences

  • Anonymous

    I think the big difference is that when, for example, people immigrated in the early part of the 20th century, there was no support structure. You had to find a job or you would die. Finding a job involves learning the local language very quickly. There was a little more urgency to blend in. Now with the support structure, they don’t need to do that. If they can’t find a job, so what?

    That having been said, it is definitely something that takes time. We may have had grandparents who spoke their native language but over the course of a couple of generations, that changed.

    I do agree with one thing the mayor said. They have a homeland; if more people would stay and try to make it a better place, it would probably be a better place. I worked with a girl who was sent to America by her parents during the Bosnian war. As soon as things settled down, she said “I’m going back. Someone has to rebuild the country and I want to be part of that.”

  • jdtex

    Let’s be frank – LA is now a welfare, refugee-strewn hellhole.

  • Anonymous

    Wait mayor. Don’t you want US to transform
    and change OUR culture? After all the pres is transforming
    and changing our country, history and traditions. Isn’t it
    only right WE change to accomodate all who chose to come
    here? Didn’t we force them to come here? Heck…when are
    you going to make us learn every language except English?
    Mayor, you got it wrong…it is US who has leave OUR culture
    at the door.

    • Anonymous

      Oh yeah,  BarryO sure is trying to change America, and NOT for the better!
      And not on a bet, not now, not EVER should Americans leave our culture at any door. If you believe that, take a hike.

      • Anonymous

        I guess you didn’t get the sarcasm…I shoulda done better.

        • Anonymous

          I guess I did…..”there goes another flock of ’em Alice!”

          • Anonymous

            lol!!

  • Anonymous

    Speaking English would be a plus for any immigrant. I was in Europe in the service and I think more Europeans  spoke English there than some parts of the U.S.  Everytime a  I call a customer service number and I get the recording about speaking Spanish it irks me.

  • Anonymous

    Good for you Mac, this is America not Somalia. If they can’t adjust they can go back to Somalia.

  • Anonymous

     Since this country is primarily an Americanized English speaking country, I do think that someone immigrating to live here needs to learn the language of the culture. If I moved to France, I’d have to learn to speak French; if I moved to China, I’d have to learn to speak Chinese. It’s necessary to speak the cultural language to assimilate effectively. And, yes, I, too, have a problem with having to push ‘1’ when I make a phone call. I have no problem with the number of Spanish speaking people here, but turn it around: ‘Press 1 for Spanish”. As far as traditional cultural experiences (festivals, holy days, etc), I encourage these things remain at least a known part of family life of immigrants. SO much of cultural history is lost without this practice. In my not so humble opinion, it is the responsibility of the immigrant to learn to speak the language of cultural and everyday practices in order to simply survive more easily in a new culture. It is also the responsibility of the ‘native’ to be accepting of the differences that a new culture brings. Differences bring problems and adjustments; they also bring an opportunity for knowledge.

    That said, when an official makes a statement that is aimed at any group in an attempt to marginalize that group, it’s time to ‘unofficialize’ that person.

  • jerrymyx

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqN_nXee4-I
     this is the way the country could be!!  just ask……
     CANADA !!! LOL  a little humor here with all these serious posters,  hope they don”t give up their day jobs!!!

  • jerrymyx
  • Anonymous

    Well Done Mayor MacDonald. Stand your ground, stand by your comments. Apologize to no one. Folks don’t like it, point ’em towards I-95 southbound.

    •  As one who lives at the Southern end of I-95 I suggest you point them east over the Atlantic toward their home.

    • Anonymous

      What “ground” actually is the so-called mayor standing on, except that of ignorance?

      Seems to me that a central tenet of American culture is tolerance.

      The mayor is the one who is being intolerant.  He’s the one who is complaining about “America the way it is.”. 

      Maybe the mayor would be happier living in a more racist place than Maine.

       

      • Anonymous

        For one such as yourself to truly understand racism, You should take up residence in a country where racisim abounds.
        I would suggest Somalia….I hear the beaches of Mogadishu are quite pleasant this time of year…and, it would assist the oh so “tolerant” and certainly not “racist” Somali’s in disposing of your lifeless body.

    • Anonymous

      Yeah, sure… even knuckledraggers have a right to stand up for what they believe… I don’t reckon he’ll get another term though…

      And that’s the American way… (most of the time… there are always exceptions, where the knuckledraggers last way, way too long…)

      • Anonymous

        Yeah? Well,  I would rather stand alongside a “knuckdragger” than a limp wrist, panty waiste, “oh, we’re so sorry”, politically correct, pansy any day.

  • Anonymous

    This story makes me a little less critical of local elected officials in the Bangor Brewer area.  

  • Somali people  : DO NOT LET GO OF  YOUR CULTURE

    look at maine culture…you want your children to become like this ?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXgeqmjv_hU

  • Anonymous

    This way of life we have,that generations have fought for,was for the way of life we have…You can be a Somolian,Irishman,Italian and so on but you are here to be an American…That aliegence should come first…If it doesnt you will not foster the American way of life…BY By…

  • Anonymous

    “Redneck” is not a culture.

    Attitudes such as the one expressed by the mayor, however, can result from a lack of culture.

    • fourCatssoon

       Or a Mayor with too many Big Mac’s, why I think he is larger than Gov. Christie.

  • jerrymyx

     I wonder if this political party will work in the good ole USA…..  a little humor for you to view, might help settle this  thread        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v

  • Anonymous

    When in Rome, do as the Romans do…if not, you are free to go home.

  • whinewhinewhine

    He is 100% right!  I applaud  him for having the berries to say what he did.  

  • Anonymous

    ROMNEY / RYAN  2012  !!!!

    • fourCatssoon

       American Heritage handlers are out tonight, must have just been paid today. Making Karl Rove proud.

  • Mr Ahmed is proud to be an “American Businessman.”  That, combined with his other comments, clearly reflect his lack of pride or appreciation for being an American citizen.

    Some people seem to “see through” the Mayor’s comments and refer to him as a bigot. I for one can see through Mr Ahmed’s comments. 

    • How do you get to that . Oh you cant get there from here.

  • Anonymous

    If immigrants are required to give up their ethnic origins, then it would seem — by Mr. Macdonald’s formula — that we should all be wearing buckskins and feathers… so much for poor, huddled masses yearning to be free.

  • My Irish and Scottish ancestors  proudly embraced their heritage. The Somalis add a new culture to Lewistons rich history as a city of immigrants.

  • Im not even for immigrants coming over and taking our jobs..let alone them coming over and not learning to speak freakin English, YET they draw welfare?  The US system is retarded when it comes to this!

  • Anonymous

    Oui * . 
    We all know Lewistone can’t handle no cultural diversity.

    lol

    * how do you spell “waa”, correctly, in Arcadianne  French, anyway ?

  • Ouais.

  • Anonymous

    Oh no, someone will have their feelings hurt….

  • Anonymous

    This is a sad way to welcome new people to a community. When I came to Maine, I was astounded by the friendly open people here. Now I wonder if I was welcomed because I look like a typical Mainer. What if I didn’t so easily blend in?

  • Anonymous

    Excuse me, Macdonald, do you have ANY idea about what the United States is about? Come to New York and read that plaque on the Statue of Liberty.  Pick up a history book- yes, they still have them- that covers the Revolutionary War.  This whole country is about the blending of cultures.

     New York City is a mix of more cultures than I can count.  I love walking this city and going from one neighborhood to the next and experiencing different music, food, fashions, etc.  The museums are full of the different cultures.  Almost every weekend here there is a different festival or celebration from somewhere else on the globe.

    So, everyone out there!  Bring your culture! Celebrate your family’s history and culture!  I want to learn about them.  Macdonald should, but I doubt he will pay attention.

  • Pasty overweight, doughy, uneducated, women-hating white Rightwingnut, primarily, babyboomer men are now classified as the as the least intelligent and most racist, ignorant, bullying and cowardly demographic in the United States… that’s amazing to me… what happened to the children of the Greatest Generation?  Is this person representative of his parents, which American considers to be The Greatest Generation?  If you can clearly see how ugly this person really is, you can just imagine how horrendous his parents must have been. 

    • Anonymous

      Truly a delusional comment which should be ignored.

  • Anonymous

    Give the Mayor a napkin or something.

  • Anonymous

    We shouldn’t have to press 1 for english. If you want to live in this country learn the language and become a citizen.

  • What about rape of women or girls as young as moo ham ad married(6yo)? What about not stoning gays to death or mutilating girls genitals?
    The persecuted people in somolia are the christians but the taxpayer funded agencies that bring people in find it safer to get muslims.
    Muslims are allowed to lie to unbelievers in order to defeat
    them. The two forms are:

     Taqiyya – Saying something that isn’t true.

     Kitman – Lying by omission

  • Even Drs without borders found somoli muslims so feral that they discovered the border of somolia and stay out now. They wouldnt pay mulsims protection money are were getting killed providing care for the christian persecuted minority.

  • Even DRs without borders realized somoli muslims (what these refugees are) are so savage that they now stay out of the borders of somolia after members were killed treating the persecuted minority christians

    • Alec Cunningham

      And all Americans are lazy fat pigs who watch Sally Jessie.  Two can play the generalizing game!!!

    • Alec Cunningham

      And all Americans are lazy fat pigs who watch Sally Jessie.  Two can play the generalizing game!!!

  • the christians are the persecuted minority over there so giving aid to christians will get you killed.

  • nope they are brought over by us taxpayer paid refugee agencies.

    • Alec Cunningham

      Source please.

  • The town originally accepted dieversity yet when over 10% of the town became somoli muslim living on taxpayer paid benefits and crime went up he understood why DRs without borders decided to leave the border of somolia.

  • 10% of his community is refugee somoli muslim on taxpayer paid benifits.

  • Anonymous

    Alright! I like this guy!

  • This from a guy that is mayor of a city that for generations all one could hear was ribbetting. I can remember going to Lewietown in the 50’s and hearing all the “dumb frogs”, as they were called, ribbetting in the stores, and on the street corners. Did they leave their culture at home. LMAO, I wish they would have. Je ne parle Frog. To any Frenchmen that find this offensive, oh well I am sure the Somali’s find some of your comments offensive too, like I find our Gubor offensive.

  • Atlanta thanks y’all for your help.  You have the best welfare system on Earth!

  • Anonymous

    People are people.  It does not matter where you are from, what you look like, what your religion is or who you love.   People are people and deserving of respect and kindness.   Let’s face it…we are alot more tolerant of people “from away” as long as they are white.   Perhaps we should see what happens when we look at everyone as our brothers and sisters…because that is who they are.  Ultimately we have the common factor of being human beings.   That should be enough.    Love  and peace to all of you…even my brothers and sisters on this forum who are closed minded haters.

  • Anonymous

    Sounds like a great mayor
     

  • yari adam

    I honestly feel  Maine will never change, comments on here are so rude & ignorant.

  • guardian

    How about the Somalis KEEP their culture and take it back to Somalia?

    • Alec Cunningham

      While we’re at it, let’s send the Statue of Liberty back to France.  We clearly don’t need it anymore.

    • Anonymous

      “Gaffney is a surname common to the Cavan [Ireland] area, and now spread across the UK and other English speaking nations. Gaffney comes from the Gaelic septs of Ó Gamhna, Mac Conghamhna and Ó Caibheanaigh.”

      How about YOU go back to Ireland, Matt?

  • Anonymous

    Any Western nation that encourages immigration from Africa is literally committing suicide. Importing these refugees from the most dangerous, backward parts of the world, places that have no record of building or maintaining civilization, is one of the most destructive things you could do to your own country. The average IQ in Africa is about 70 and lower in the equatorial regions. That some European countries import Somalis by the tens of thousands every year is a treasonous and inexcusable act. 

    • Ben Hutchins

       … Really, chief?  The “people from there are automatically stupid” thing?  Are you posting from 1881?  If so, tell President Garfield to duck.

  • Kathleen March

    There is no “American” culture.  Everything is imported, pretty much.  Or what was indigenous has been marginalized or parodied.  There is no country called “America,” although there are three continents: North, Central, and South America.   Doesn’t appear the  mayor has much of a clue about other languages, cultures, histories, or political circumstances.  Those are often the bases for racism and other sorts of prejudice.  The remarks cannot be explained away by saying “he didn’t mean to be hurtful” or “he sometimes says things that aren’t politically correct.”  

    Pretty much an embarrassment for Lewiston.

    • Anonymous

      It is incorrect to use America and United States interchangably, but people do. You talk about continents, but nor countries.

      There is a United States culture. Culture is comprised of language, history, customs. For example, the 4th of July is part of United States culture, fireworks, barbecues, red-white-blue. Martin Luther King’s birthday is another example. You please give us one example of a nation in history composed of many separate “sub” cultures which did NOT unify into one “super” culture succeeding. Look at all the factions all over the middle east, etc. Do they celebrate diversity and immigration? Are they succeeding? NO. It takes unity to make things happen.

      • Anonymous

        In your lists of history and US culture you forgot bigots, KKK, lynchings, wars of aggression, economic exploitation, death squads in Nicaragua and Guatemala trained at the US School of the Americas, reservations, broken treaties, the Washington Consensus…

  • Anonymous

    in what context would these statements NOT be the racist sentiments they clearly are. history 101 there pahdner.

  • Anonymous

    Whose idea was it to just “inject” Somalis into Maine, where did this experient originate?

    • Anonymous

      Look to the Catholic church.

  • Anonymous

    I am still waiting to hear from someone who believes that flooding any American city with low-IQ Somali immigrants will not:

    A) Increase Crime

    B) Dumb Down Schools

    and 

    C) Burden American Taxpayers

    I have not violated any of the rules set forth on this comment section. Therefore if this comment is deleted I will assume I am guilty of a Thoughtcrime. 

    • Christopher Ruhlin

      Don’t worry, no one will accuse you of a “thoughtcrime”  and if they did you would be acquitted.

      • Anonymous

        For lack of evidence…

  • gilbert should mind his bizz.

  • quit yer whining

    I take offense at the Somali spokesman who claims that “many” Somalis are hardworking taxpayers All one has to do is take a look at downtown Lewiston any day and count how many of those hard workers are lounging around on the public dime  I have yet to be in a supermarket and see any Somali pay with cash. That EBT card is used more than any other thing 

    • Anonymous

      Stories like this never fail to draw out the bigots in our midst, do they, whining?

      • Anonymous

        You know, you are pretty much a one-trick pony, aren’t you?  Why don’t you articulate exactly why the white American taxpayer has a moral obligation to subsidize Somalis and other Third Worlders and exactly why you think they have a right to the civilization our ancestors built?

        Repeating “bigot” over and over again simply isn’t going to work anymore.

        • Alec Cunningham

          Weren’t our ancestors immigrants?  In fact, weren’t some of our ancestors non-white?  I am not sure I get why you keep making a distinction between white Americans and non-white.  Is there a difference?  I’m coming in late, so maybe I missed it.

          • Anonymous

            No our ancestors were not immigrants.  They were pioneers, that is the BUILT a civilization from the ground up.  Anti-whites admit this all the time.  They say that whites always had power and that immigrants come here for a “better life.”  Therefore, they are admitting that this is a great country and became a great country under the leadership of white men.

            Yes we have some Native American ancestors and also black slaves helped build the country, but there is no reason to believe that a majority black and hispanic country will continue to be the America that whites created.  Replacing a white population with blacks and hispanics has never worked out well not once.  Can you name any neighborhood, town, or city that improved after the whites move out?

    • Anonymous

      I think if you pass close attention, you can also see many white citizens in Lewiston hanging around town. And using EBT cards, etc.  People tend to notice what they are looking to find. Statistically, nationwide, despite the stereotype of the black welfare queen, more whites are on welfare.

      • Anonymous

        So?  People don’t mind paying welfare for their own kind, but don’t want to pay it for other races.  That is normal human fellow-feeling.  I mean, can I demand that you buy tennis shoes for my children on the grounds that you buy tennis shoes for your own children?  That is absurd.  How many non-white Third World immigrants do you think the white taxpayer can afford to support before we are just taxed into oblivion?

  • Anonymous

    So the mayor expects Somalians to stay put and simply make Somalia a better country?

    Take a look at this video… http://www.guardian.co.uk/global-development/video/2012/feb/21/life-in-mogadishu-somalia-audio-slideshow

    How would you, or I, or anyone survive, let alone simply fix our country, when faced by starvation, drought, and a Civil War that’s slaughtering our families? The government collapsed. It’s not really a country anymore, just territories full of people being slaughtered at will by competing warlords.

    In 2000 only 21% of the population had access to safe drinking water. Somalia had one of the highest child mortality rates in the world–10% of children dying at birth and 25% of those surviving birth dying before age five. How long would the Mayor stick around pulling himself up by his bootstraps if his children were dying at that rate?

    According to UNICEF, “Somalia is one of the three poorest countries in the world and characterized by chronically high rates of acute malnutrition above emergency levels. There is an ongoing and sustained humanitarian crisis, with 43% of the country’s population including 1.4 million children in need of emergency livelihood and life saving assistance.”

    • Anonymous

      The reason Somalia is a cesspool is because the average Somali has an IQ of about 70 (mentally retarded).

      Maybe this is down to “environment” as liberals like to say, but it doesn’t change the fact that they are not assimilable in large numbers in any advanced post-industrial economy. 

      Race replacement of whites with blacks has never worked out before (i.e. Johannesburg, Detroit, etc.)  Why would you think the results will be any better in Maine?

  • Old Bear

    Its about time someone spoke out. The Somalians need get off welfare and do it on there own or get out. The state of maine was giving them 10k TAX FREE MONEY to buy a car if they had kids.Pretty sad our state has enough money to give the Somalians that kind of money. Maybe Lepage office could shed some light on this issue. Send them back to there home country or a different state to help support them. 

    • Anonymous

      Stupid comment. I vote to send you back to the country your forebears came from if you think such bigoted opinions represent American values. They don’t.

      • Old Bear

        So are you calling me stupid???

        • Anonymous

          FYI  Mama Bear:   sdemetri tells everyone who posts on here, that their comments are “stupid’ if he/she doesn’t agree with them.  sdemetri doesn’t know how to have a difference of opinion conversation, without insulting the other poster.   By the way, I liked your post. 

    • Anonymous

      I know of Somalians who were the first to line up at the local temp agencies for work, any kind of work. I find it sad that there is such bigotry from some people in Maine and that they are so proud of it. As far as the myth that they come here because welfare benefits are so good in Maine, be aware that in New England, only Vermont pays less benefits. Maine is not all that generous in that regard, and if Mainers believe it, then they are either uninformed or downright delusional.

      • Old Bear

        Yea Okay

  • Anonymous

    There is no need to learn English when they live in a closed neighborhood and set up businesses to serve one another, witness Miami, for example. It is in the public schools where learning American History and English should be mandated to build a one-ness of Americanism.

    PS The BIG question to ask the immigrants is this: Which is your country? I know immigrants who say without hesitation “My country is Guatamala.”  

    When times are good, being easy with immigration issues,  for example,  is OK. However, with all the diverse sub-cultures,  I wonder if when times get tough, how many would fight for the US, or how many would allow the young men and women from the mainstream American culture to do the fighting and dying for them? I fear that their most of the sub groups would abandon their “American-ness” if it came to protecting our country.

  • Anonymous

    Immigrants have no need to learn English when they live in a separate neighborhood and build businesses to serve one another, witness parts of Miami, for example. It is in the public schools that American-ness should be fostered, through learning English and American History.

    PS. The BIG question for the Somalis and other immigrants in the US is “What is your country?” “Whom do you love?”  I have asked this question and received an answer in a heartbeat “My country is Guatemala.” When times are good, it is easy for us to take this lightly, but if times should ever be NOT good, it should scare everyone who lives here to think that a lot of sub cultures would not fight for the US, would allow young men and women who consider themselves American first to do the fighting and dying.

    • Anonymous

      I guess you don’t know too many Native Americans, do you? Given that everyone else is in fact from immigrant stock, likely including yourself, BillieUSA, I guess you must be very, very afraid… I don’t want to be too snarky, but you really ought to think more about this issue.

      By the way, what “sub-culture” do you hail from? Just curious. My grandparents were Greeks from Greece and Turkey on my father’s side, English/Scottish on my mother’s side.

    • Ben Hutchins

       You asked a Somalian immigrant “What is your country?” and he told you Guatemala?  I think he was messin’ with you, homeslice.

  • Anonymous

    Cultural diversity enriches this country.  I’ve had the pleasure of meeting several Somali immigrants from Lewiston.  Their knowledge and work ethics are impressive.  Culture is simply the way people choose to live their lives; something that would be hard to ‘leave at the door’.

  • Anonymous

    Lewiston Mayor Robert Macdonald hates freedom?

  • Eric J Foster

    So, how about we discuss WHY he said this? What is being done to Lewiston for him to become so frustrated?

  • Anonymous

    what an ignorant b–stard!

  • Anonymous

    Cute guy.  Some of my ancestors came over here about 1700.  On that side, my grandmother was the first generation to speak English.  Mennonites.  They kept their culture.   Robert Macdonald can put it where the sun don’t shine.

    • Anonymous

      Jim, there are certain cultures who move to other countries and breed in order to become the majority just to take over other countries. Turkey is having an issue with that right now. They are bringing their religous wars to the USA. so culture should be left at the door…  

      • Anonymous

        I guess your forebears came to this country of immigrants from a pure culture… Am I right…?

      • Anonymous

        You are absolutely right. You don’t need to look at Turkey, just look at here in America. This country was overrun and overbred with a bunch of folks who forced a foreign religion down the natives’ throats and refused to change their tongue.  Now look at us; everyone speaks the same language as the English and we’re all pressured to worship to that monotheistic Christian faith. If only those Puritans and Anglicans had left their culture at the door…

        • Anonymous

          Not sure what your point is?  The Turks ran the Greeks out of Anatolia and took over their land, but no one is saying that the Turks should therefore import millions of Somalis or other non-Turkish immigrants until their own children are a minority and Turkish culture is displaced, are they?

          Only whites are expected to end their race and culture in ALL white countries.  Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.

  • Anonymous

    One of the arguments against people from other states or from other countries is that they come here for the generous welfare benefits. Well, according a study done by the Cato Institure comparing benefits, that would not make any sense. In that case, it would make more sense to settle in Hawaii, which has the most generous benefits. In New England, only Vermont offers less than Maine. If we just compare the equivalent of an hourly wage to welfare benefits, comparing Massachusetts and Maine, it breaks down to $14.66 vs. $10.38 an hour.  Just like the pay scale in Maine. So I sincerely doubt that they come here for the welfare benefits. Maybe when they find themselves unable to get jobs because of the xenophobia Mainers seem to have toward people “from away”, they apply for welfare.

    • Anonymous

      This is exactly why white countries should never allow non-white immigration.  When the immigrants fail, it is ALWAYS blamed on the natives.

      Did you know that the average Somali has an IQ of 70?  Liberals say its because of environment and that may be true, but it doesn’t change the fact that they will be totally unable to function in our society.  Again, who gets the blame?  Whitey, as always.

      • Alec Cunningham

        What the…?  This is a joke, right?  You’re being funny, mocking those who actually feel that way?  Cuz that’s just crazy talk otherwise.

        • Anonymous

          This is not about “feelings”.  It is about facts.  Reality doesn’t fit with your egalitarian worldview.

  • I don’t have any idea how this man became mayor. And he needs to not justcarefully watch his mouth, but thoroughly wipe it as well. Nasty.

  • Anonymous

    When a politician is Honest an speaks the truth everybody jumps on his back.. People like politicains who lie and make the people feel all fussy inside. LOL!  Try asking Angus King what these people are doing here when other States refused to take them in.. 

    • Anonymous

      A big problem is with people that somehow think he was speaking the truth… Insensitive at best, bigoted and ignorant at worst, there was nothing truthful about his original statement to the BBC. Trying to unwind that statement with his subsequent statements to WGME McDonald makes himself look more like the latter rather than the former. He stepped in it, and has been making it worse by getting down and rolling in it.

      And what should one make of YOUR asking “what are these people doing here…?” My detect-o-bigot meter is doing a little dance with that one…

      • Anonymous

        I’m just curious sdemetri, do you think that any country anywhere belongs to anybody?  I mean if America doesn’t belong to whites, does Europe belong to whites?  Why or why not?  Do you think Saudi Arabia belongs to Arabs?

        Suppose we just turned up in Saudi Arabia and demanded their oil.  Would that be okay with you?  I mean, if the world and its resources belongs to anyone who wants them why should we pay Saudi Arabia for their oil rather than just take it?  I mean if people don’t have a right to exclude foreigners from settling in their lands and exploiting their tax-payer funded welfare schemes, why should people have a right to prevent foreigners from taking their natural resources.

        Anti-whites support nationalism and sovereignty for non-whites but “open societies” for whites.  What belongs to non-whites belongs to non-whites, what belongs to whites belongs to everybody.

        Anti-racist is just a code word for anti-white.

  • Anonymous

    Unbelievable! Mayor Macdonald should be kicked out of office at a minimum. Hate crimes are always preceded by hateful speech. As a public official, he should be held to a higher standard than the general population and understand that his words are likely to incite violence in his community.

    • Anonymous

      Do you think all of the comments to this article ripping on white people and calling us “invaders” is hate speech? 

  • Anonymous

    MacDonald is Tea Party 100%  .. this is a disease infecting our politics.  Vote these people out!  Our voted officials need to work together for the good of the country and people.  Mainers don’t need this anger and bullying running our state and communities.  Vote No to Republicans!

  • Juniors Farm

    Sounds like the Government repatriated a group of them through back door politics.

  • Guest

    What a lousy excuse for a mayor. 

  • Jim Alberty

    Speaking as a Bird Clan Cherokee from Oklahoma I look forward to visiting Mayor Macdonald in his tipi or long house whenever he finds it convenient. Leadership like his is rare. Might need to stay on the grill a little longer, which I suspect is happening. Or it could be jerky, which my people also invented. I think that’s a good description. But let him do his best.

    • Anonymous

      Whites gave Indians reservations where they could carry on their heritage and reproduce their kind.  Do you think we whites should get the same consideration since the government seems bent on forcing us to subsidize our own ethnic replacements?

  • Anonymous

    Wow. It never fails… a story like this shows up, and the bigots are drawn to it like flies to dogsh*t. I am happy to see the thoughtful comments by many here, while a bit taken back by the bigotry that some others without a shred of shame or embarrassment express.

    Having an historical perspective that EVERY ethnic group that has come to these shores, shores “liberated” as they were from the original inhabitants by many, not all by any stretch, of the bigoted newcomers pushing westward in that crazy, self-righteous, bloody, conscience-clearing justification known as Manifest Destiny (faithfully taught year by year in American history classes), have been reviled by those already established here. If you were Irish, French, Chinese, African, Jewish, Catholic, Russian, Japanese, Vietnamese, German, Polish, Roma, whomever… they were in many, many cases  reviled and treated with bigotry and ridicule… These latest arrivals, unfortunately, are no different. It is up to those of us that ARE welcoming to extend our hand and give those that need it a leg up.

    To those that bring intelligence, culture, industry, humor and good will… glad you are here to add to this crazy mix that already exists… WELCOME.

    • Anonymous

      You say we are all immigrants.  That is not true.  An immigrant comes to take advantage of a civilization that has already been built.  A pioneer builds a civilation from the ground up.  The people who built the civilization were white and some black slaves. 

      You anti-whites admit that whites built a great civilization here all the time.  You say that whites monopolized power in the country.  You also admit that immigrants come here for a “better life.”  Therefore, you admit that whites made this country great on your own terms. 

      I am sorry for what happened to the Indians, but at least the whites gave them reservations.  Whites apparently are entitled to no such consideration.  Our lot is simply to subsidize our ethnic replacements as we pass quietly into the dustbin of history.  Some thanks for all that nifty medical technology to which billions in the Third World owe their very lives.

      Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.

      • Anonymous

        Wow… racist and proud of it… interesting but definitely sad…

        “Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.” Not in my dialect.

  • Lewiston Mayor is right on the money.  I am an immigrant myself, and when I arrived in this country my main priority was to embrace American culture, learn English, be proactive in becoming an American citizen, etc.  I greatly respect my native culture and do my best not to lose it, my children are bilingual, but first and foremost we are American.  There’s a big difference between respecting and retaining one’s native culture, and demanding to impose it onto a community where you are a guest. 
     
    It grates on me constantly when I hear that this or that immigrant group arrives in the US and demands (typically with support from “progressive” media)  that their American surroundings change to become a piece of where they came from.  Immigrants are first and foremost guests in this country until they become citizens and should act accordingly.

  • Lewiston Mayor is right on the money. I am an immigrant myself, and when I arrived in this country my main priority was to embrace American culture, learn English, be proactive in becoming an American citizen, etc. I greatly respect my native culture and do my best not to lose it, my children are bilingual, but first and foremost we are American. There’s a big difference between respecting and retaining one’s native culture, and demanding to impose it onto a community where you are a guest.

    It grates on me constantly when I hear that this or that immigrant group arrives in the US and demands (typically with support from “progressive” media) that their American surroundings change to become a piece of where they came from. Immigrants are first and foremost guests in this country until they become citizens and should act accordingly.

    • Anonymous

      Oh so reasonable sounding… but still stupid. We are, in fact, all immigrants, unless your forebears are Native American. Stand the straw man up; knock the straw man down, Alex, and prove  nothing. I fail to see where the Somalis in this article demand anything… The lack of communal commitment is what is behind the me, me, me whining of those out to destroy our miserly (by comparison to other highly industrial countries) social safety nets. Same lack toward “the others” that informs the thinking of many of the bigots posting today…

      • Anonymous

        White people are less than 10% of the world population.  We cannot support the entire Third World.  Do you believe that white people exist to support other races in our own homelands from Europe to Oceana to North America?  If you believe that, how long do you think whites will survive providing welfare for the whole Third World?

    • Anonymous

      In my opinion, Alex, your comment is one of the most honest and well written comments to date.  I have read many of the comments posted on this story, some I agree with, some I don’t.  One poster said about the Somalis in Lewiston, “They are not asking us for anything.”  Well, I don’t know if they actually ask or not, but I do know that they are given housing, clothing, food, medical/dental care and financial assistance.  As a taxpayer, I’m tired of footing the bill for other people when I can’t even afford medical/dental insurance for myself.  Some groups of people, (it was the Vietnamese in the 70’s), come to the U.S. with Nothing, and the government (taxpayers) hands them everything they need to be comfortable here, with no time limits.  They have no incentive to learn our language or get a job.  It was an entirely different situation when our immigrant ancestors came to this country.  They also came with nothing and knew if they were going to eat or have shelter, they would have to learn English as quickly as possible and find work – any kind of work, even if it was only one day at a time.  Many men came alone, left their families behind, worked and saved enough money to have their families join them later.  Today, entire families show up here and from day one, they are taken care of. If I decided to move from Maine to any other state in the U.S., I would have to have access to enough money to pay first and last months rent, probably pay a deposit to have electricity turned on, and buy groceries.  I am not opposed to anyone coming to this country looking for a better life, but why don’t they have to have the finacial means to support themselves and their families until they get a job here.  I am not opposed to helping someone financially, to a point.  I am opposed to fully supporting someone financially, indefinately, especially non-working, non – citizens.  I would much rather see the needy elderly, who have worked hard their entire life and paid their dues in building this country, get some extra help, rather than new-comers.  Maybe the Lewiston Mayor didn’t use the best wording when he said, “They should leave their culture at the door,” but, I think I understand what he was refering to.  And another poster said, “If immigrants want to live in this country, they need to follow the American laws.”  I totally feel that no one should give up their pride in their heritage , in order to live in the U.S., but immigrants need to understand that they are a guest here and therefore need to respect our country and it’s laws.  If they aren’t going to, they need to go back to their own country or another country.  I have this opinion based on the fact that in this country, the law says that women are equal to the men.  The Somali culture does not believe that and does not practice that while they are living here.  I worked at Job Corps in Bangor for a few years.  I worked in the dorms with 76 girls per shift.  At the time, we had several Somali females from Portland area and Lewiston, living in the dorm.  Everyone there liked them very much and treated them very well.  Everyone respected their cultural beliefs and differences.  The councelors worked with them every day to help them get the most out of their educational experience and training.  One girl stayed one week.  Another girl stayed three weeks.  Two other girls would stay two days, go home for a week, stay three days, go home for ten days, and so on.  This went on for about three months and when I asked one of them, “Why” she was always going home for so long, (because it was affecting her education), she said, “My family doesn’t feel that I need to go to school.  That I need to stay home because that is where a woman’s place is.  My father doesn’t want me to be here.  They are making it very hard for me.  If my father tells me to come home, I have to go home.”  I found out later that was the same situation with the other girls.  I have a problem with any culture, living off my tax dollars, who actively discourages or denies their females an education.  Immigrants:  When you come to my country, don’t bring your cultural beliefs of intimidation, suppression, and discrimination.  Oh…. and learn English and get a job.

      • Anonymous

        A wordy and stupid comment, imho. When the Irish weren’t allowed ashore in Canada because of the cholera outbreaks on the ships they came over in, they died by the thousands. They couldn’t get food or treatment because of fear of the contagion, and the fact that they weren’t wanted. Many of those that were lucky enough to survive made their way to the US. They brought with them their cultural anomalies and strange language. If you honestly think they forsook those cultural artifacts or language overnight, you are a bigger fool than I might think by your comment.

        “YOUR” tax dollar…? I’m sure that very same argument was used against your forebears… As a matter of fact it was THAT very attitude by the British that drove many of the millions of Irish out of Ireland when the potato blight left so many starving and dying. It was that same selfishness that drove families into ditches in Ireland when their landlords refused to let them stay in their homes when the famine destroyed the economy and job prospects. Tenant farmers couldn’t find even find rotten potatoes to feed their families with, and ended up living in open fields when thrown out of their homes. Somalis left a failed state.

        Cultural assimilation doesn’t happen overnight. It doesn’t even necessarily happen in the first generation to grow up in a new culture. But that might be too nuanced a concept for you to grasp.

        • Anonymous

          How many destitute, uneducated third-world immigrants do you think the white American taxpayer can afford to support before our back is broken?  Surely even you must recognize that there is a limit? 

        • Anonymous

          I think I know a little more about my family heritage than you do.  I know very well about their poverty, hunger, sickness and struggles to just survive as they traveled from Ireland to Canada to Maine.  I am not impressed by your ability to spout historic facts that every child learns by 3 rd grade.  It’s true, many Irish left their country to try to find a better life in North America.  Some came through Canada, some through Ellis Island.  Many were sick and many died.  You were so caught up in trying to put me down that you totally missed my point. My family and their friends that survived, struggled daily, in many ways, just to continue to survive and build a new life here.  No one offered them free housing, food, clothing, medical care and money, and they never felt they had a right to expect it.  They worked and struggled for EVERYTHING they got.  All I’m saying, is that immigrants today need to prove that they really want to be part of the American culture by doing what our ancestors did, learning English, expanding their education, and getting a job.  Yes, cultural assimilation can take many years, but I am not willing to financially support thousands of immigrants for 20 plus years until they become assimilated.  And…if you don’t like my “wordy” comments, don’t read them.       

  • Anonymous

    He is a Good man and speaks the truth!

  • Anonymous

    I am still
    waiting to hear from someone who believes that flooding any American city with
    low-IQ Somali immigrants will not:

    A) Increase Crime

    B) Dumb Down Schools

    and 

    C) Burden American Taxpayers

    I have not violated any of the rules set forth on this comment
    section. Therefore if this comment is deleted I will assume I am guilty of a
    Thoughtcrime. 

     

    • Anonymous

      as thought-less as the first time you posted this garbage…

      •  He asked you a direct question. Why are you afraid to answer it? Did Mommy Professor forget to tell you that anti-racist is a codeword for anti-White?

  • Anonymous

    I 100% agree with the Mayor…….don’t like it here…..leave

  • Hey, did you ever stop to think about how third-world
    immigration and forced integration is required of EVERY White country and ONLY
    White countries? Did you know that according to the United Nations this is
    GENOCIDE? Lots of people who say they are anti-racist are really just
    anti-White. Anti-racist is a code word for anti-White.

    • Alec Cunningham

      Wha…..?

      ???

      • Anonymous

        I’ve got no clue what Reginald is talking about either…

        • Anonymous

          Its true.  White populations everywhere are being deliberately reduced to minorities and forced to “integrate” with non-white immigrants.  This is actually genocide under international law.
          One of the ways genocide can happen is by “deliberately inflicting on a group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part.” 

          Raphael Lemkin invented the term genocide.  He explained it like this:

          “Generally speaking, genocide does not necessarily mean the immediate destruction of a nation, except when accomplished by mass killings of all members of a nation. It is intended rather to signify a coordinated plan of different actions aiming at the destruction of essential foundations of the life of national groups, with the aim of annihilating the groups themselves. The objectives of such a plan would be the disintegration of the political and social institutions, of culture, language, national feelings, religion, and the economic existence of national groups, and the destruction of the personal security, liberty, health, dignity, and even the lives of the individuals belonging to such groups.”

          This is exactly what is happening to white people.  President Sarkozy of France even said the solution to the race problem in France is “metissage” (i.e. no more white children).  We are not allowed in any pride in who we are, our history and culture is demonized, w are targed for crime and affirmative action, etc. Pretty soon there won’t be any more white people left because of all these things together with mass immigration into ALL white countries, even our indigenous homelands.

          • Anonymous

            I have no doubts I could read very similar sentiments in the public literature being circulated in Germany in the 1930’s. Thanks for sharing your views. Really puts things in context, WhiteMom.

            I guess we as Mainers, being mostly white, something like 98% or so, and numbering around 1 million, should be very, very, very afraid of these few thousands of Somalis? They are out to commit genocide against us… yikes!

            A better example, WhiteMom, might be what the Han Chinese are doing in Tibet.

          • Anonymous

            So how do you think turning white people into minorities in every single white country, even indigenous white homelands, is any different from what is happening to the Tibetans?

            It is exactly the same.  White genocide is an open conspiracy.  UN Migration Chief Peter Sutherland put it this way:

            “But if the European example is much poorer in terms of the integration of workers into their society, in terms of their getting jobs, that is related to the fact that the United States or Australia and New Zealand are migrant societies and therefore accommodate more readily those from other backgrounds than we do ourselves, who still nurse a sense of our homogeneity and difference from others, which is precisely what the European Union, in my view, should be doing its best to undermine.”

            Are you really going to try to tell me thats not an open call for genocide?  Remember, not one ounce of blood need be spilt.

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