Comments for: Bangor City Council approves waterfront concert facility construction bid

Posted Sept. 24, 2012, at 11:20 p.m.

BANGOR | Despite having debated and evaluated the concept and plan for the construction of a permanent waterfront concert facility — on and off — for the last 18 months, Bangor city councilors discussed it for another 30 minutes Monday night. In the end, the full council voted 7-2 …

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  • Anonymous

    Wow.  The waterfront concerts and Kahbang have been great for the Bangor economy and for the young people of Bangor, but Gratwick and Longo show their true colors and vote against that.  Sad.  Very sad.

    • Anonymous

       I’m pleased that the waterfront concert people have found a way to run a successful business and make a profit in Bangor.  Doing so, however, does not entitle them to a $600,000 taxpayer gift.  It was foolish of the council to build a permanent structure without first dealing with the noise problem.

      • Old Bear

        Where is the best place to send the crying towels. City hall is the best central location. I am sure Gatwick and Longo will use alot of them by the sounds of things. 

        • Anonymous

          Gatwick pretends alot on which side he is on, he is running for State senate.

      • Anonymous

        The city has always loss on the concerts, it’s coroprate welfare. The down businesses benifit from the taxpayers once again. 

        • Anonymous

          Let’s see the concert promoters pay the actual costs for fire, police and public work coverage & the receive $1.25 per ticket sold so how does the cite lose money?

      • I live near the venue and am fine with the “noise”, as is most of my neighbors. this is improvements to city property, not a gift. Bangor was talking about an outdoor facility there years before the Waterfront Concerts. Yes, it gets loud, just like the 4th of July, the fair, and other events. Bangor is a City, and cities have events.

        • Anonymous

          Thanks mcmaineasjam- nice to know we are neighbors! Who says we can’t have a little fun in Bangor?

  • Anonymous

    Proud of the City Council once again. Great news. Moving Forward!!!

  • Anonymous

    Tases in Bangor are going up 3% already, so what will they be next year?
    Seems that the council is weighing in on supporting Question 1 on the ballot, also–is this a necessary vote?

    • Anonymous

      “Tases in Bangor are going up 3% already, so what will they be next year?”
      My answer is a lot more fun to pay!  Especially knowing that the project is being funded through TIF for which it was intended.  

      • Anonymous

         Exactly Steve63

  • Obviously lots of issues on which I am not well informed but only want to say I think it is a wonderful venue and extremely well managed .  Has to have a great spinoff  into the larger economy of Bangor for hotels, restaurants and shops, no?.

    • Anonymous

      Lindsay- Great comment. To inform you- It’s a battle on either side. The majority understand it all. This is about creating the waterfront park and designing it in a way that it can be used for decades to come. They got the best deal compared to waiting another season. The sooner, the better. These are all just steps towards the future. Like the Arena, Bangor is building it’s own future with very little burden on the taxpayer. It is investing on its return and entitlements as well as corporate, local and private sponsership as well as supporters like you and I. To slow down, is to die. This is about a permanent outside venue setting and about including it into a final waterfront design plan complete with lighted walking trails, amphitheatre, parks etc. The final design will include the stage setting as well. A full working waterfront with different departments for a robust destination which includes the anchors: Hollywood Casino, Cross Insurance Event Center, Waterfront Concerts. Seasonal destination tenants such as American Folk Festival, KahBang, Bangor Car Show, etc. And in the future to be followed by other businesses (private, restaurant chains, condos). Securing your identity and your brand name is another step to promote. We all eat the fruit, some peeps don’t realize yet. Bring in the crowds. A simple plan.

      Signed,

       A Bangor Taxpayer.

      • Anonymous

        I’m starting to understand now T, it is sort of like the methodone clinics build it and they shall come.. my, my build more bar and more drunks will come. build a stag and we will have concerts. Sorry i’m so slow on the concept.

        • Anonymous

          Push- love your growl. Yes, build it and they will come! Portland’s Old Port was built around drink and social gatherings. I don’t think we will ever outdo their Old Port. Yes Bangor is a service sector city. We service people of all walks of life. People come here for conventions, meetings, entertainment, medical services, business services, shopping, employment obligations, etc. etc.

          • Anonymous

            Tell me Terence, if you can, how Bangor’s management is serving me, a taxpayer in my 60s. A $25,000 sign on 3rd St? Building high density housing to kill off my rental business? Installing lily gardens in the middle of a residential street? Constructing a sound stage for a private business owner? Tearing out artwork to make a nice venue for hanging around drunk downtown? Moving the bus to somewhere where the beautiful ones don’t have to look at it? Constructing a new roundabout at an intersection that worked fine? Don’t you dare tell me we have to pay for trash bags or I’ll have to come find you and tell you what I think of that idea.

          • Anonymous

            Trashbags start in March 2013. Just kidding. My, my… are we being selfish today… let’s be honest… why would a guy in his 60’s care about what is going on in Bangor, USA today and not sipping green tea in the countryside? Can you please tell us one or maybe even two things you believe Bangor is doing right? Pleeeease, there has got to be one or two…

            (clock ticking)

          • Anonymous

             Since my lengthy comment to you needs approval, I’m done here. BDN, nice job.

          • Anonymous

            moved to reply to jd

          • Anonymous

            “Tell me Terence, if you can, how Bangor’s management is serving me, a
            taxpayer in my 60s. A $25,000 sign on 3rd St?”

            Paid for by Maine DOT – http://bangordailynews.com/2012/09/23/news/bangor/state-addresses-problematic-bangor-intersection-with-radar-warning/
            ~~~~~
            “Building high density
            housing to kill off my rental business?”

            Is your target renter the same income level?
            ~~~~~
            “Installing lily gardens in the
            middle of a residential street?”

            And your problem is what? Would you have preferred that they planted trees?
            ~~~~~
            “Constructing a sound stage for a private
            business owner?”

            What about the Parks and Rec mobile sound stage that is used by private groups. Do you have an equal problem with that? Or public parks being used for private functions like Bass Park? I am sure the cost of the permitting to use said Parks comes no where near covering the actual cost of using it.
            ~~~~~
            “Tearing out artwork to make a nice venue for hanging
            around drunk downtown?”

            You mean the “fountain” that almost yearly became a soap fountain? The artwork is being moved to the waterfront. I drove through downtown Bangor about 11 last Saturday evening and I heard music and saw people enjoying themselves. No one tried to one out in front of my truck, no one tried to stop me and ask for change, no one tossed a beer at me…
            ~~~~~
            “Moving the bus to somewhere where the beautiful
            ones don’t have to look at it?”

            Only being talked about.
            ~~~~~
            “Constructing a new roundabout at an
            intersection that worked fine?”

            Anything that doesn’t make me sit and wait to make a turn and saves me money by using less fuel is a huge plus in my book.
            ~~~~~
            Is there anything you like about Bangor?

          • Anonymous

             Yes, please see my “waiting for moderator approval” comment to show up. I put my likes in that.

          • Anonymous

            Hours later and my well-written “needing moderation” comment is still
            “out there”, never to be seen. The gist of it was, I’ve lived here for
            40+ years and am called selfish by a person of dubious motivation when
            I’ve contributed far more to this City than the newcomers who are proud
            as peacocks using other people’s money to develop the place for
            themselves and their pals. I expressed appreciation for some aspects of
            the City, including the Bangor Public Library, the hardworking city
            employees at City Hall, Bangor Public Works, the well-run yard out
            there, recycling efforts that my kids worked hard on getting started,
            parks, Bangor Band, Bangor Fire Dept. If I remember what else, I’ll add
            it, but that’s about all I can think of at the moment. My family helped
            to build the original playground at Hayford Field in addition to other
            projects in this City. Those types of projects were for the benefit of
            all Bangor people, not for private business interests.

      • Thank you for this. Virtually all of NYC’s exquisite, well maintained, publicly accessible and intensely used waterfront parks are the result of public private partnerships with developers of adjacent properties. The private entities own and beautifully maintain all these parks.

        With public money so scarce and stretched so thin, there really is no choice but to come up with creative partnerships that provide for maximum public benefit.

        The difference here is that in NYC the developer also owns and manages the adjacent residential & commercial property so of course a satisfactory use buffer is built into the process.

        Here the sponsor/private partner is a music event promoter so the public deal has to provide that buffer by agreement for adjacent uses.

        Also adjacent uses benefit tremendously from adjacency to the park..when it is not a music venue any balcony or window that overlooks it or has access to it has added value.

        Certainly those whose property is adversely affected by noise and traffic from big special events deserve a place at the table to work out the best possible buffer during high use times ad certainly with the public investment offered in this deal, the private sponsor/partner should be cooperative and amenable..

        As a one time planner ( NYC ) I love the idea of extended hour uses of parts of the city that don’t attract night time uses otherwise..would be good I think for all the businesses downtown to have non summer music events going on at the park.

        What you outline would take wonderful advantage of what the park already shows as potential and using the NYC model the entire river front there could be a long beautiful multi seasonal floral public park.

        • Anonymous

          ohhhh, I may have just gone into something similar to a hallucinatory trance. What a pretty picture you have painted in our imaginations.
          Is your checkbook bottomless LNB? Some of us need to be practical as it’s going to be a long, hard winter for Mainers who do not have your apparent access to limitless funds.

      • Anonymous

        Great comment T!  All true and well said.   Thanks for the link.  I hope one day that they’ll have a covered portion to help with weather and volume control.  I am hoping this will be the first of several improvements!  See you at Journey!

        • Anonymous

          Cya at Journey my friend! Pat Benatar gonna shake up things as well! And who doesn’t love Loverboy. 1987 Bangor this Friday! I got to ask my parents if it’s okay to take my wife? ha ha ha…

  • Anonymous

    Point the noise towards Brewer, lawsuits to come next year.

    • Anonymous

      Don’t worry about the noise in Brewer. We have a cheesy fireworks store being built at the bottom of Whiting Hill on the Holden town line. Be happy that the town fathers in Bangor see fit to use their efforts to build more useful structures. 

      • Anonymous

        Hey WESTSHORES, move on over to this side of the river and help us pay for la la land for non taxpayers to enjoy and profit from!

  • Anonymous

    I grew up in Bangor, but live in Brewer. Thanks Bangor taxpayers for all the nice freebies you provide for your friends across the river. 

    • Anonymous

       Romney would consider Brewer to be part of the 47%.

      • Anonymous

        You’re right, we’re all victims over here. We think we’re entitled to food, medicine,housing, a modern international airport,new arena and whatever else the good citizens of Bangor might provide for us. Our taxes are just as high as Bangor’s without building of that infrastructure.

  • Anonymous

    A friend spoke to a council member the other day and asked what benifit did spending 100 millon in the downtown area have for the average Bangor resident, the council member said Nothing absolutely no benifit.

    • Anonymous

      And the name of the council member would be????????

      • Anonymous

        one of your buddies.

        • Anonymous

          Well since I don’t personally know any of the Council members in Bangor you either don’t know the name or are fibbing.

          • Anonymous

            I will not say which one jd. but I have also talked to this person for different reasons and found his perspective interesting to say the least.. He laughed at my ideas more then once, so he is on your side, yet was honest enough to admit the truth to my friend.. Normaly politican seem to have a need to lie.. second nature.. You could ask what color a red rose is and they would tell you pink.. they just can’t be honest..

          • Anonymous

            So you find it refreshing that this Councilor is telling YOU their true feelings but you don’t want to reveal his name for fear of what?????

            Don’t you think that others would be equally impressed with an honest politician?

            Oh, I do have one more question. If this councilor is only being honest with you about his true feelings doesn’t that mean he is being dishonest to the rest of the Bangor voters?

          • Anonymous

             W0lves in sheep’s clothing are everywhere lately, or haven’t you noticed? Who can you trust?

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