Comments for: New report: Offshore wind could add 800 jobs; state energy chief seeks ratepayer protection

Posted Sept. 18, 2012, at 5:39 p.m.

AUGUSTA | Statoil North America, the firm that wants to place four floating turbines in the Gulf of Maine as an ocean wind energy pilot project, has offered a professor’s new projections that commercial wind power would add more than 800 jobs and $43 million annually to the state’s …

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  • Anonymous

    Oh, bull crap.  Now we are messing with our eco-system with the ocean.  How will this effect fishing industry in the future?  It will have an impact.  We are so fortunate to have access fresh fish seasonally.  Please people, keep an eye on this situation and respond accordingly.  Environment is paramount.

    • Anonymous

      So your saying we should never do anything in fear of doing something wrong?

      • Anonymous

        “So your saying we should never do anything in fear of doing something wrong? ”

        Well, just like with LePage saying it his experience that people from Maine don’t get much respect out of State, conservatives might be well justified in feeling like that, 

        ….given the past twelve years, or so.

        I’m just saying .

    • Anonymous

      Using fossil fuels is going to kill off your fishing way before wind does, for two reasons. First, oceans absorb CO2 and converts it to carbonic acid which will eventually destroy anything in the ocean containing calcium which includes the whole food chain for fish, except jelly fish. Kiss goodbye to lobsters, clams, cod, haddock, and crabs if we continue burning fossil fuel. Second, the warming ocean will drive fish to cooler waters so they will be harder to catch.
         It is physically impossible for this not to be the outcome. The acidification is already happening. It is a question of when the concentration starts to impact fishing. But it is inevitable. Maybe wind does not sound so bad after all.

      • Anonymous

        Exactly, thats how they sell this junk to us. I mean it’s true, however that does not legitimize wind. Consider hydro the greenest of all and a state thats geographically set up to produce so much it could power most or all of New England. Real power, real money.  

        • Anonymous

          Compare the impact of a 16,000 acre lake created to run a hydropower project with the impact of maybe 10 acres for a wind project and then tell me which one is more green. Even if you need 100 wind projects to make the same electricity as that one dam, it’s still just a fraction of the impact to the forest.

          • Anonymous

            The lakes exist. I will not deny there would be some environmental impact. Life finds away in an organic atmosphere however. Look what the earth does to it self, earthquakes, belching volcanoes, etc. A natural history of daming rivers and undaming lakes. From dinasours to modern birds, it’s continued.

             Modern dams do not have to choke the rivers any more. Hydro generartors are highly efficient in making and delivering electricity We have proof positive of this, a solid track record. Windmills are like sailing ships, inefficient. Would it make sense to ship by square riggers to save oil?     

          • Anonymous

            There will come a day when shipping via oil-powered anything will no longer be an option. Hydro generators are currently more efficient than wind turbines, but the environmental impact, as I said, is orders of magnitude less. Wind turbine technology is still young, and is improving steadily. Eventually, wind power, tidal power, geothermal power, solar power and unfortunately nuclear power will be all we have.

    • Anonymous

      Wind turbines = structure = fish magnets.

      Where do the go to fish in the Gulf of Mexico?

      Oil and gas rigs.

      Please try to keep up.

      Yessah

  • Anonymous

    Every one of those 800 jobs subsidized by either government grants or ratepayer increases.

    What a farce.

  • Anonymous

    More total BS from the promoters of hot air………and multi-million dollar subsidies.

    No lack of this stuff in Maine these days.

    If it was viable, private money would develop it instead of the public giving millions of dollars to the lucky promoters of these boondoggles.

  • Patten_Pete

    Transmission rates went up for CMP customers by 19.6% on July 1.If you didn’t read about it, it’s because the newspapers didn’t consider it news.
    It’s 100% due to wind power, so they can sell their intermittent power to Ct and Mass, making a handful of insiders like Angus King wealthy.
    The whole story can be found by simply googling “What Every Maine Ratepayer Needs to Know”. 

    • Anonymous

      It’s actually due to the upgrades to the entire transmission architecture in the state. A small fraction is wind-related, the majority is hydro. Biomass and tidal also contribute their share. To claim it’s “100% due to wind power” is completely false, fearmongering by wind-haters who can’t understand the need for green power with minimal impact.

      http://www.cmpco.com/OurCompany/MPRP.html

      • Patten_Pete

        You are lying when you say this.

        • Anonymous

          Documentation, please.

  • Anonymous

    There is no way there will be 800 PERMANENT jobs, and most of those will come from away.  This is wild hype.  And $43 Million???  the further upgrades to the grid, WHICH WE RATEPAYERS WILL HAVE TO PAY FOR, is estimated to cost $19 – 26 BILLION.  Do the math . . . . $43 million – $26 BILLION.  It really doesn’t work does it.  This is flawed technology that is in the process of sinking Europe, and now they are pointing it in our direction.  Please do some research.  These people are just working with our tax dollars and our ratepayers dollars.  We can’t afford energy that is four times the cost of other fuels, even with the subsidized rates.

    • Anonymous

      We can’t afford energy that will eventually run out. 

  • Anonymous

    There is no way there will be 800 PERMANENT jobs, and most of those will come from away.  This is wild hype.  And $43 Million in economic boost???  The further upgrades to the grid, WHICH WE RATEPAYERS WILL HAVE TO PAY FOR, are estimated to cost $19 – 26 BILLION.  Do the math . . . . $43 million – $26 BILLION.  It really doesn’t work does it.  This is flawed technology that is in the process of sinking Europe, and now they are pointing it in our direction.  Please do some research.  These people are just working with our tax dollars and our ratepayers dollars.  We can’t afford energy that is four times the cost of other fuels, even with the subsidized rates.
    Check the website below to find answers to the Europe, CO2, Jobs, Environmental issues and more. 
    http://www.windtaskforce.org/

  • Patten_Pete

    Angus King’s now in trouble. It is starting to hit the fan. And if he gets elected, it’s not going away. He’s in trouble.

    From:
    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/09/17/The-Angus-King-Federal-Bailout 

    Q.  There was a report over the weekend that Mr. King made a profit of $212,000 for the six years he spent on the Record Hill Wind project. In calculating that profit, did Mr. King include the $407,000 ‘success fee’ it was reported he received for securing the Department of Energy loan for the Record Hill Wind project?

    A. I will get back you.

    Q. When did Mr. King receive his $407,000 ‘success fee’ from the Record Hill Wind project?

    A. I will get back to you.

    Q. Can you confirm or deny that he Mr. King received his $407,000 ‘success fee’ for securing the $102 million energy loan for the Record Hill Wind project from the Department of Energy as was reported at Maine Today?

    A. I will get back to you.

  • Anonymous

    My math not being my strong point but if rates are going to go through the roof  for  customers for 20 years and people cannot afford it and disconnect power, learn to live without, how many jobs and how much money will be brought in again? Now it seems to me if we have to pay for their equipment we should also be owning it
    What would be cheaper, oh yeah power damns already in place. Oh crap they’ve been ripping them out to force us into something we can’t afford. New World Order at work, yes indeed, “if you refuse to go along with us we’ll destroy whats working so you have no choice.”

  • Anonymous

    While rest of the world is embracing on- and off-shore wind power – and reaping the economic benefits – we here in Maine wallow in ignorance and superstition & howl at the moon.

    Don’t want no jobs.

    Yessah

    • Anonymous

      ’embracing’….more like shedding dinosaur wind turbines because of their growing vulnerability,  maintenance expense; and need for backup replacement generation. 

      The real action are tidal barrages with their reliability and the possibility of huge amounts of power generated with far less cost and much more longevity.

  • Anonymous

    Hey Mune: You keep spouting the official talking points of the Windies, and they are all just that.  TALKING POINTS.  Do a little research and get your facts straight. 
    The rest of the world is actually running away from the mistake they made diving into wind.  Did you see how India just suffered a WEEKS long blackout theat left 600,000,000 of their citizens in the dark???  Spain’s economy is bankrupt, all due to their addiction to wind.  They lost 2.5 jobs for every one created by wind.  It drove all their industry away because energy prices quadrupled.  The same thing has happened all over Europe and will start to happen here.  Wind is NOT FREE, NOT CONTINUOUS, NOT RELIABLE, CRASHES GRIDS, DESTROYS THE ENVIRONMENT, and is four times more expensive than any other source.  Those are REAL FACTS, not talking points.  The wind generators are rated for 15 years, and only produce 25% of their rated output.  When you use wind, you have to have regular power to back it up 24/7/365 and that is very inefficient  and costly.  Turbines have to be heated in the winter, and cooled in the summer, and when the wind doesn’t blow, that comes from fossil fuel or hydro. 
    Please don’t talk about ignorance here in Maine, when you exhibit all the signs of listening to the Wind Shills without reservation. 

    • Anonymous

      Spain’s economic problems are due to overvaluation and subsequent collapse of the real estate market. One of their reactions was to tax wind-generated power at as much as 11% to keep the government afloat. This caused power companies to abandon wind projects, not some inherent flaw in wind-generated power.

      The blackout in India had absolutely nothing to do with wind power. http://www.csmonitor.com/Commentary/the-monitors-view/2012/0802/India-blackout-flips-a-switch 
      Your “facts” don’t stand up to the most basic research. Please go away.

      • Patten_Pete

        How about YOU go away and take Angus King, Kurt Adams, John Baldacci, Angus King’s son and the whole crew with you. 

        • Anonymous

          Well I guess you sure showed me up with that well-reasoned and carefully documented argument.

  • Penny Gray

    BDN, are you censoring?  What happened to my comment?

  • Penny Gray

    My comment has been removed twice.  I’m going to suggest a dart.  This is an enormous betrayal of public trust coming from what use to be my favorite newspaper.

  • Anonymous

    Let’s face it.  The Lepage administration doesn’t like anything unless it reeks of fossil fuels or old-school thinking.  

  • Doc

    Do we need more of these unadulterated electric scams in this state?

    I think not!

    These renewable scams will put the last nails in the casket for Maine business and the  economy in Maine.

    Woe  unto the  electric ratepayers!

    see this :http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/09/17/The-Angus-King-Federal-Bailout

  • Doc

    Wow, see this!

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/09/17/The-Angus-King-Federal-Bailout

    Run fron the King..and fast…he is a true Scoundrel….!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Anonymous

    Earthling3, you have put forth so many outright lies, I don’t know where to begin.
    First of all, you said that a wind farm would take up maybe 10 acres or so.  Obviously you have not been to one, or even bothered to look at a picture of one.  The few projects we have in Maine so far have decimated somewhere between 10,000 and 20,000 acres of prime mountaintop forests, forests that would sequester more CO2 than all the turbines combined. 
    Second, Spain IS collapsing because of wind.  Ibradola, a Spanish company, can not go forward in Spain because they ran them out of money.  They are coming here to work their magic taking money away from us.  Wind killed the economy in Spain and killed jobs.  Their unemployment rate is +25%. In early 2009 the Socialist government of Spain reduced alternative energy subsidies by 30%. Calzada continues:

    “At that point the whole pyramid collapsed. They are firing thousands of people. BP closed down the two largest solar production plants in Europe. They are firing between 25,000 and 40,000 people….”

    “What do we do with all this industry that we have been creating with subsidies that now is collapsing? The bubble is too big. We cannot continue pumping enough money. …The President of the Renewable Industry in Spain (wrote a column arguing that) …the only way is finding other countries that will give taxpayers’ money away to our industry to take it and continue maintaining these jobs.”

    That “other country” is the United States of America.

    Third, India’s grid crashed, not because of theft of power, but because it is a piecemeal grid, and has been destabilized by the thousands of turbines they have thrown up without regard to their crappy grid.  The intermittent pulsing and skittering of the turbines overloads the transformers, and the system crashes.
    Fourth, Maine’s grid is in great shape, and has been improved year after year and kept up with technology.  It is COMPLETELY adequate for the current population of this state and New England considering our growth rate here is expected at less than 2% for the next 30 years.  Take it from the mouths of Ibradola themselves.  They said that expanded Wind could only be done with a $19 – 26 BILLION upgrade.  We already spent $1.4 billion and it raised or rates 19.6%.  Just imagine what 19 times that would be.  You said the majority of the upgrade was for hydro . . . we have had dams producing plate capacity energy 24/7/365 for more than 100 years.  The grid problems come from when you have turbines turning 75% one minute and 10% the next.  Those are the surges that crash grids.  Hydro is steady, and does not need backup to be constantly running up and down in a very inefficient way like wind. 
    Fifth, OIL HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WIND.  You can’t heat your house or run your car with wind.  Less than 1% of all electric energy in New England is powered by oil.  And Wind would cost you 4 times the cost of current electricity rates.
    Last, we are a long way off from running out of oil and gas.  Wind could be an option if there was a way to store it and use it as a continuous supply, but so far no one has come up with a good way to do that.  Look at electric cars.  They have spent billions of dollars and still have no way to economically store the energy and have them get more than 50 -100 miles on a very expensive charge.  And a car that is worth $15,000 becomes $50,000 with the technology we have.  In the meantime we are putting up turbines that can not effectively exist in the grid.  It is a huge waste of money and mountaintops.  Since you obviously just sit at your computer and spew out erroneous facts, in fact LIES, you should really take a ride out to some of these sites and take a look for yourself and see the destruction they are making.  I have to live with it every day.

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