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  • kcjonez

    Debbie Brooks–An astute observation.  

    From OED–

    Definition of traitor
    noun

    a person who betrays someone or something, such as a friend, cause, or principle:
    he was a traitor to his own class

    Mittens certainly does not fit the example given but there is no question that his application of the ‘trickle-down’ economics paradigm to his personal life is a betrayal of the social contract that once made The U.S. a great country.

    • Anonymous

      “Social contract”? I don’t remember signing any such thing.

      • Anonymous

        Then give up driving on public highways & bridges, using airports or navigable waterways,  give up police and fire protection, potable public drinking water, sewage systems, garbage services, national defense, free public education and Medicare and Social Security.

        Work 80 hours a week with no overtime  for below minimum wages and yer on yer own if you get hurt on the job and can’t pay for health care.

        There’s yer social contract.

        Yessah

        • Anonymous

          As a taxpayer, I already pay for those things.

      • Anonymous

        Read either Rousseau or Locke and understand that you can enter into a contract through your actions.  If you pay taxes and drive on roads you are part of the contract.  Your vote helps sets its terms. 

      • Anonymous

        You’re a citizen of the US, correct?  No signature needed.

      • Are you a citizen? There’s your signature. You wanna play? You gotta pay. Don’t wanna pay? Go play elsewhere, freeloader.

        • Anonymous

          Free loader? Try taxpayer.

  • Anonymous

    Debbie, have you seen who our treasury secretary is? I just don’t understand why some people care more about what politicians do with their own money than what they do with ours. Treason? Really? Treason? If you want to talk about treason, why don’t we talk about being 16 trillion dollars in debt (much of it to China)? Why don’t we talk about the ATF and “Justice” Department arming Mexican cartels? NDAA anyone? Why not talk about how the Republicans and Democrats, for years, have spit on and shredded our constitution and bill of rights in order to do what they wanted to do?

    • Anonymous

      Traitors George W. Bush , George H. W. Bush and Ronald Reagan gave us most of that 16 billion debt.

      Traitor Bush funded his War of Lies in Iraq by selling our debt to China.

      Traitor Bush gave billions to Traitor Cheney’s Haliburton in the form of No Bid Contracts during their traitorous Iraq War.

      Traitor Cheney did business with Iran and Traitor Reagan and North sold weapons to Iran.

      US gun shows and gun shops arm Mexican Cartels – the traitorous GOP &  NRA oppose any restrictions that would stop cartel straw gun buyers.

      The Traitor GOP wants to keep patriotic Americans from voting.

      The Traitorous GOP filibustered every job bill proposed by True Patriot Obama.

      I can’t wait to see Michelle christen the aircraft carrier USS Obama.

      Yessah

      • Anonymous

         I agree with you about previous administrations, like Bush. The “fast and furious” scandal has nothing to do with gun shows or the NRA. What really happened was cartel members entered U.S. gun shops and attempted to make their purchases. The dealers, being suspicious, called the ATF and told them what was going on and that the would be buyers did not meet the legal qualifications. The agents instructed the owners to sell them the guns anyway. Venders at gun shows are subject to the same laws as if they were in a store. Don’t blame my rights because the federal government, that enforces gun laws, decides to break them in order to arm violent cartels.  Since we both seem to agree that trillions of debt is a bad thing, can you blame the GOP for not wanting to dump more taxpayer money into these jobs bills? Since you like Obama, let me ask you, from the time he took office to now, do we have more debt or less? And speaking of patriotism, what kind of patriot would sign NDAA, renew the “patriot” act, and bomb other nations without any declaration of war? Trust me, I am no fan of the GOP either. The authoritarian D’s and R’s both need to go.

        • Anonymous

          Let’s go back to Bush.

          When Bush took office from Clinton (who the GOP impeached) , the US economy was booming and we were running record surpluses – we were on track to pay back our entire national debt.

          When bush and the gop took over in 2001, their first order of business was to cut taxes for the very rich – which send us right back to budget deficits.

          Then bush to a long vacation.

          Then 9/11 happened and he and cheney made up a pack ‘o lies to justify the War in Iraq.

          Traitor Grover Norquist forced bush and cheney and the traitor gop to fund that war by selling massive debt to China.

          Then bush and cheney and the so-call “job creators” – that benefited from those massive deficit tax cuts – crashed the economy.

          That required a $700 billion taxpayer funded bailout of the job creators by bush and company.

          The economy – and tax revenue – were in free fall when Obama took office – the drop off in tax revenue added to the deficit all by itself – no Obama required.

          Obama and the Democrats passed the Stimulus package ($700 billion) which took us from 800,000 job losses a month to 30 straight months of job growth.

          Did that add to the deficit?

          Yes – but it saved the nation from a Great Depression.

          If we keep electing republicans we will have nothing but deficits and economic chaos.

          If we had elected Al Gore and  John Kerry – we would have paid off out national debt and had enough tax revenue to pay for emergency spending AND give the middle class (the true job creators) the tax cuts they deserve.

          Never ever vote repubican

          Throw the tea party out this November.

          Yessah

          • Anonymous

            Just when I thought you couldnt say anything any stupider than your last comments, you amaze me with more dribble. John Kerry   REALLY?????   Al Gore????   Holy crap  there is no hope for you

          • Anonymous

            Pretty “liberal” with the insults.  Guess that makes you a despised progressive liberal. :)

          • Anonymous

            “When bush and the gop took over in 2001, their first order of business was to cut taxes for the very rich – which send us right back to budget deficits.”

            Really?  The majority of the Bush tax cuts did not take place until 2003 or later.  The economy was tanking when Bush took office (remember the dot.com bubble) and was helped along by 9/11.   We were already in deficit spending before the majority of the cuts took place.  National revenue increased fro $1,782 billions in 2003 to $2,523 billions in 2008 after the income tax cuts.   Spending went from $2,160 to $2,982 in the same time period.  Bush had a spending problem not  a revenue problem.

          • pbmann

            Bush gave out a simulus to the taxpayers in thesummer of 2001, sending them checks for up to $600 a person.  To do this he had to borrow money and the borrowing hasn’t stopped since.

          • Anonymous

            There was a surplus in 2001 so  he did not have to borrow the money for the checks issued in the summer of 2001.  As I pointed out the majority of the cuts did not start until 2003.  Whether one wants to attribute  it to the cuts or not the revenues increased significantly after 2003.  The US had a spending problem not a revenue problem.

          • pbmann

            “…President George W. Bush and Republicans in Congress (with help from Democrats) enacted an ambitious tax cut package in June. And by the end of July the Treasury Department was mailing out tax rebate checks. On Aug. 1, 2001, Treasury officials announced they would be borrowing $51 billion to pay bills…”

            http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/07/flashback-to-2001-the-us-govt-starts-borrowing-money-after-surplus/

            So you see Bush did have to borrow money to give tax payers the tax rebate of 2001.

          • Anonymous

            There was a $127 billion budget suplus for the year ending 9/30/2001.  Don’t confuse cash flow with deficit spending.   You haven’t commented on the increases in federal revenue after 2003 when the majority of the Bush tax cuts took place.  Cutting a tax rate doesn’t necessarily result in a drop in revenue.  Income is not static.  Bush had a spending problem not a  revenue problem.  

          • pbmann

            There was a $400 Billion dollar surplus on 9/30/00 so that means Bush was heading to deficit spending the enter 8 months he was in office before 9/30/01.  Bush spent more than he was taking in but it just took time for the surplus to be spent.

            The increase in revenue in 2003 up til 2007 was because of the economy coming out of the recession not because of Bush’s tax cuts.  Federal revenue always increases after a recession by definition. 

            We are seeing the costs of Bushes tax cuts since 2008 because economists have stated that 1/4 of the deficit is directly caused by Bush’s tax cuts.  A further 1/2 of the current deficit is caused by Medicare Part D and Obama putting the costs of the wars on budget, unlike Bush who fought two wars by borrowing from China.

          • Anonymous

            “There was a $400 Billion dollar surplus on 9/30/00 so that means Bush was heading to deficit spending the enter 8 months he was in office before 9/30/01.  Bush spent more than he was taking in but it just took time for the surplus to be spent.”:-) 

            Really? You don’t want to rethink that?  Using your statement 1998, the first year with a surplus,  must have been a fantastic year coming up with a $69 billion surplus after paying off the over $5 trillion debt that the year started with.

      • Anonymous

        You certainly have the correct screen name!! WOW   do you actually  believe any of that crap you just spewed out,, I feel so sorry for you

        • Anonymous

          Speaking of MBE …

  • Anonymous

    Debbie Brooks is right on the money. We don’t need a President who doesn’t even want to support his own country. This only proves that he just wants to be President for the power,not because he wants to help our country and it’s citizens. It’s all about Mitt.

    • Anonymous

      I guess you are ok with Obama appointing his known tax cheats to their positions controlling taxes.You people are a joke, doing everything you can do to draw attention away from Obamas failure and the failure of his appointed members of his administration. Do you truly believe that all of the politicians are paying all of their taxes and dont have money in every tax sheltered  plan they can be involved with. If you believe that there is truly no hope for you!!!

      • Anonymous

        Deflection.  We’ll bill you for the consultation.

  • Anonymous

    Thank you Harlan Gardner for your service to our country. Thank you for sharing the love you have for your granddaughter and the desire for for her to have a Maine wedding with the one she loves. Thank you for standing up for the right to free speach. Thank you for being an example for us all. God Bless.

  • Anonymous

    I believe that all the Republicans who have signed (and there are many of them) Grover Norquist’s “No New Taxes Ever” pledge are traitors as are the Republicans who decided on the night of Obama’s inauguration to block his every effort to recover from the Bush disaster.   Mr. Turtle, I mean McConnell, Minority leader of the Senate, made no bones about that.  That, to me, is traitorous.  

    • Anonymous

      When it is so obvious how wrong Obamas plans were, why would you expect others to support him. Some in office actually realize that they work for the people in this country, and it is their job to protect their best interests. Not Obamas!!!

      • Anonymous

        In my 68 years I have never heard a Senator or Democrat with the gaul to say that their #1 priority was to insure that a President only has 1 term in office. If either Collins, Snowe, Michaud or Pingree were to make that kind of statement, they should be recalled.

        The Senates job is to form legislation to help govern this nation. NOT to do everything in their power to obstruct the function of this government. I am not saying they should be a rubber stamp, but they should be proposing in a civil manner alternate legislation or at least sitting at the same table and working out honest solutions to the nations problems.

        • Anonymous

          While they did not make the statement, Snowe and Collins voted in lockstep with Leader Mitch McConnell  to obstruct in support of McConnell’s goal.

          • Anonymous

            Unfortunately you are correct. However they did vote to keep the radicals from taking over womens rights. I highly doubt that Summers if elected will have the guts to defy the Tea Party radicals.

          • Anonymous

            Snowe did vote against the Blunt / Scott amendment to further deny women abortion coverage by making the woman’s employer a part of that decision, but I am pretty sure that Collins voted for the amendment.  Snowe did so because the vote came toward the end of her tenure. 
            I do not know of other bills where either of them voted for women’s rights against their party. Neither of them stood up to the tea party.

        • “In my 68 years I have never heard a Senator or Democrat with the gaul to say that their #1 priority was to insure that a President only has 1 term in office.”

          The context of McConnell’s statement is crucial – he said this in the mdist of the worst economic crisis to come along in 75 years. Think about that – staring at the face of the worst economic disaster in almost a century, a leader of one of our major political parties was more concerned with getting his political party returned to power than working to improve conditions for America’s declining middle class.

  • Anonymous

    Gas was $2.00  when Bush left office now its $4.00

    • Anonymous

      And the President prices gas?  This is not Venezuela.

      • Anonymous

        Obama blamed Bush for high prices.  The left has always blamed the right for high prices.  Seems fair that Barry eat some of his own spew.

        • Anonymous

          I do not remember President Obama ever blaming Bush for higher gas prices.  Would please tell me when he did and just what he said.

          • Anonymous

            Obviously you were somewhere outside the US

          • Anonymous

            No.  

          • Preston Nethercutt

            That, as you well know, is not a answer to usegoodsense’s question. What’s that? You don’t actually have an answer? Didn’t think so.

          • pbmann

            Links to back up your “facts”

        • Anonymous

          Read up (valid sources, please) on the very complicated processes of fuel production and pricing and get back to us.  Otherwise, “he did it to me first, Ma”.

          • Anonymous

            Obama played the game but now the same game is unfair  boo hoo

          • Anonymous

            Complicated?  The President of Iran waves his arms and makes threats and prices skyrocket. 

      • Anonymous

        The price of food has gone up 25% to.

        • Anonymous

          Largely the result of increasing fuel prices.  Again, can’t blame the President.

          • Anonymous

            Everything costs more but the price of homes. How will four more years with Obama help?

      • Anonymous

        The President doestn’t set the set the price of gas anymore than they create jobs. But as long as they take credit for “job creation” they need to take responsibility for the negative too. Besides how many millions of barrels (approximately 696,000,000 or approximately 58 days of supply)  are in the “Strategic Oil Reserve” that can be used to ease the price of gas and only on Presidential order?

        So if a Presidential wants to take credit for the good he also needs to take responsibility for the bad.

        • pbmann

          There is no gas shortage so releasing oil from the Strategic Reserve will not cause prices to drop but it would add to the deficit when the government has to replace oil that it released.

    • Gas was $2 when Bush left office in Jan 2009 because he left behind an economy in shambles. The average gas price 4 years ago today was 3.65. We can get the gas price back down that low, but we have to destroy the economy again to do it.

      • Anonymous

        How will lower fuel costs destroy the economy?

        • pbmann

          In order for the gas prices to fall $2 the demand would have to fall by 50% meaning the economy is collapsing again.  Simple.

      • Anonymous

        You do know we were in a recession right? Gas prices are going to be lower.

    • Anonymous

      Higher gas prices will encourage more people to use public transportation, which is among the most cost-effective means of reducing traffic congestion and boosting the economy. I would rather spend half an hour waiting for a train or bus, and maybe reading a book or doing some work while I wait, than ten minutes stuck in bumper-to-bumper traffic doing nothing but burning gas.

      • Anonymous

        I travel all over Maine.  A traffic jam is waiting two light changes to get through an intersection.  Other than Route One in the summer where are you seeing this bumper to bumper traffic.  Now I would rather take the bus from Portland to Boston then drive but I can’t think of anywhere in Maine where public transport is more convenient.  Let me know about some and I will take them.

    • Anonymous

      You do know we were in a recession right? Gas prices are going to be lower.

    • Anonymous

      Regular gas was $1.47 a gallon locally the day bush started his illegal war on Iraq. Blood for oil.
      His oil buddies have done pretty good since then.

    • pbmann

      The economy was in freefall thanks to President Bush’s economic policy.  The summer of 2008, gas was at $4.10 and fell like a rock when the economy collapsed. 

      Now that gas is back to $4 a gallon is a sign that the economy is back on track and improving.

    • Bush own oil fields in Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. You dont think him and his party are influencing the problem?

  • Anonymous

    Good letters all.

  • Anonymous

    Debbie Brooks- I don’t understand how all those factory owners who packed up their factories and moved them to COMMUNIST China are not considered treasonous either? Does anyone else find it ironic that these same factory owners have accused unions of being communist are now doing business with a COMMUNIST nation? And then they blame those commie unions for FORCING them to move. Private unions which are down to 7% these days sure do seem to wield a lot of power! lol. Is communism bad or good? Which is it these days?

    • There are no truly Communist nations anymore. China has a centrally-directed market economy, but that is not Communism as envisioned by Marx and Engels. China is simply a totalitarian nation, and totalitarianism has always gone hand-in-hand with corporatism.

      • Anonymous

        A horse of a different color is still a horse. Their human rights abuses and total control of commerce still screams communism. But, if calling them totalitarians eases the conscience of those who packed up their factories and moved to the cheap labor and lack of environmental laws, then so be it. If nothing else, it did separate the patriots from the profiteers. Politics aside, we now have a “totalitarian” finger up our butt for over $1 trillion  and climbing. Our trade deficit this year is expected to top $400 billion with the totalitarians as well. Is there anyone out there still naive enough to think that we can continue growing these two numbers without causing the death knell to our great social and economic experiment? How long can we keep sending jobs and money to China before we run out of both? Does anyone in Washington own an abacus?

  • Guest

    Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan (Dick Dastardly and Muttley) are not what this country needs.

  • Anonymous

    Debbie Brooks – Mitt Romney is paying US taxes on his foreign income.  How did we learn about his foreign investments …  from his tax returns.   Unlike Chuck Schumer former chairman of the Joint Committee on Taxation who was not declaring and paying taxes on his foreign investments.

    • Anonymous

      Shh!  We’re talking about Romney’s use of the laws, not anyone else’s.  And certainly not use of those laws by the people who write them!

  • Anonymous

    Debbie Brooks: because it is all despicable and legal.  Please encourage the White House and Senate to get a fix in work before the election.

  • Anonymous

    Debbie Brooks… The US government has been captured by and for the very wealthy. Corporations and the very wealthy spend millions to lobby and get the laws, or rules and regs, that keep them on top of the pile, redistributing wealth upward while starving government, local, state, and federal… LePage’s giveaways to the wealthiest of Maine families THEN claiming the state has a fiscal crisis and going about to kick thousands out of MaineCare is happening across the country because this is what the conservative movement is all about.

    Vote republican if you want this fleecing of the middle class to continue. Vote Green if you want it to end. The dems… well, they need to reevaluate their priorities…

  • Mr. Gardner, Thank you. You are a good man. As a gay woman I thank you from the bottom of my heart for coming forward. My partner and I have 3 beautiful children who have a wonderful extended family similar to yours. Our children are happy and healthy and, I hope because of people like you, will someday live in a world where being gay is accepted as it is, normal. God Bless you Mr. Gardner. 

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