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  • Anonymous

    Hoping for a complete and speedy recovery!

    Even in the car, I always made sure the excess straps and cords to my daughter’s car seat were secured, so that she couldn’t harm herself. On/in a vehicle of this nature, it’s even more important!

    • Anonymous

       Thank you, jemileesmom, for being such a responsible mother.  I see things all the time these days and just shudder at the carelessness of so many parents.  Very few slow down long enough to try to anticipate the potential harm in any given situation.  Granted, nobody can protect their child 100% of the time, but you’re much closer to 100% than I’ve seen in ages.  All kids should be lucky enough to have a Mom such as you.

      • Anonymous

         Thank you very much! I appreciate your kind words!

  • Al Brady

    WOW DHS has been alerted. the vehicle destroyed as per state request.

    the infant will be removed from the home; forcibly if needed. the parents will be fined $2,500 for injuring the infant. the infant will be remanded to state custody until the age of 18.

    the parents will also be jailed for 5 years pending a state investigation.

    • wow, you know so much about it! Were you also there and see it happen too? Give me a break!

      • Anonymous

        Schwinggg!

      • Anonymous

         Your reply, Faith, is a clear example of why it is not wise to interpret everything literally.
        There are people who frequent fundamentalist/evangelical churches and are taught to do that, but it is a very blind, myopic life.    Al Brady was using satire to get his point across.

        • Al Brady

           you actually summed up my mission on here in the most correct way than i have ever read LOL

  • Anonymous

    Um…is it just me or does it seem REALLY STUPID to put a 1 year old (in a seat or not) ON AN ATV??

    • Anonymous

       That was my first thought when I read the headline. If you look at the picture though, it’s not your typical, first thought ATV (my first thought was 4-wheeler). It’s not like they were out mudding in the woods.

      The grandmother runs a farm, and cares for the child. Obviously, the vehicle is necessary to care for her animals, as she carries food and possibly water out to the fields with it. She took what she thought were precautions to keep her grandchild safe. The alternatives are leaving the child alone in the home, or allow the child to roam the vehicle freely. Both are FAR more dangerous than this choice.

      • Anonymous

        Putting a 1 year old on and ATV or tractor =BAD IDEA. If your child’s caretaker runs a farm and needs to put your baby on a tractor, then find another caretaker, relative or not. It also appears in the photo that the strap that caused the injury was used to hold the car seat onto the tractor. BAD IDEA #2.

        • Anonymous

          I’m not saying it was a good idea. Children are raised on farms all the time, and are just fine. I’m sure not all parents/grandparents/caregivers were as safety conscious as this grandmother was. Granted, it was a bad move, and the child ended up hurt, but I would be willing to bet that she thought she was taking the right steps to PREVENT the child from getting hurt.

          Also, we don’t know where mom and/or dad were. Perhaps one of them was out mucking stalls. I would rather have my child delivering hay, rather than hanging around the poop. Or, maybe the Grandmother has custody for one reason or another, and there was nobody else to help. We just don’t know.

        • Anonymous

           20/20 hindsight is so perfect. It is easy for you to say it was all a BAD IDEA but we don’t know if the Grandma has been doing this for a while and what her alternatives were. Probably the child loved riding on the little tractor and feeding the horses. Well, I suppose Grandma could have locked the child in a box stall while she did her chores. 

          • Anonymous

            I have a four month old granddaughter. We live in a “city” but there are horses here. The folks next to her Dad’s house have one and my granddaughter has visited with the animal when it come close to his side of the fence. The word that comes to mind when the baby sees the horse is “enthralled”. She loves it soooo much. I am guessing their visits are good for both of them, because this mare senses the baby and is very gentle.

        • Anonymous

          20 people” like “this and think  milk comes from a store ..being in a car seat on a gator on a farm  is a lot safer than letting your kids play in the yard next to the road, shopping in a mall, or catching some strange flu bug at your local day care.. all the crap that people do to their kids, and someone who is trying to do the right thing but let the child experience the world has a mishap with a strap.. the kid is ok and I’m sure the gator riding isn’t going away,. the world will still turn and this child will turn out to be a fine adult.  its the ones we keep boxed up that are trouble.. 

          • If the child died, you would be singing a different story…..Don’t make excuses for people who are a little light on the attic insulation. Were talking about a rough terrain vehicle, not a car seat inside a car. She should of had made plans to have someone supervise the child. She got away with no serious injury, but we could be reading about a child no longer with us and than we are not so forgiven. No horse is worth a child’s life. Come on Mom….count your blessings and move on…..

          • Anonymous

            LOSER!!!!

          • Anonymous

            The child didnt die, just like yours didnt choke while eating , get hit by a car in the street , or ingest cleaning agents,, point is there are dangers all around us and people just live thier lives as best they can, you want to prohibit everything ? your choice.. the way those parents live thier life  is thier choice. you cant tell people how to live, only to not break the law ….so far no charges have been filed. and Im sure there wont be.. people are so quick to judge this as bad but will smoke in the car, text, talk on the phone or try to feed thier child while driving.. go for the wide view and you will find that this is nothing but a accident. I would be upset if the child was injured by a tractor or wrapped by a pto hitch.  both are preventable, but to be in a car seat in a regular seat on a vehicle built for mutiple passengers  and hauling hay on a private road.. taking care of thier livelyhood ..I’m good with that..

        • Anonymous

          The John Deere XUV does come with seatbelts. I am guessing probably only lapbelts. Oh, wait, that is all that is used to secure my  granddaughter’s car seat base in the middle seat in the back of her mother’s car! 

        • Anonymous

           It’s a good thing your opinion is only worth 2 cents.

        • Really bad idea to strap in a car seat so it doesnt fall out while driving. Yep good answer. NOT

      • Anonymous

        Du, How about priorities ,get someone else to watch the child while you do chores, If you couldn’t then don’t take the resposibilty. There’s no excuse for stupid.

        • Anonymous

           Have you never had to ‘do what you have to do’ to make things work?

          She strapped a car seat to the vessel, with the child’s safety in mind, and went about her work. Had the child managed to get a cord around her neck while in say, a farm truck, would you be ok with it?

          Thanks to my child’s father choosing beer, cable tv, and other things over paying child support, I’ve had to take on multiple jobs. One of them requires me going out in the wee hours of the morning to deliver a daily publication. My child has to come along with me, and sleeps in the backseat of the car. Nope, it’s not ideal, but I’m doing what I have to do to make ends meet. Sounds to me like a very similar situation here.

      • Anonymous

        I bet they were having a great day before the incident.  Many of my fondest memories are of riding shotgun with Grandpa or Grandma on the farm and cattle farm.  No car seats, no restraints – it felt like I was in heaven – especially when I rode on top of the hay in the hay wagon.  We were lucky that we didn’t have any serious injuries resulting from the “accidents” that occured every now and again.

        It appears the  grandmother reacted quickly and efficiently so I suspect she was keeping a very close eye on her granddaughter during this ride.

    • Anonymous

      Only in Maine I wonder old the other person is ?

      • Anonymous

         Once again with the Maine slamming….

      • Anonymous

        Why do you live here then?

      • Anonymous

        What does age have to do with it?

    • Anonymous

      Incredibly Stupid.
       

    • Anonymous

      I think a law should be passed to ban ATV’s and Grandmothers………………..

      • Anonymous

        Why don’t we ban infants?

    • Anonymous

      Nope, it is not just you. It IS really stupid.

    • Anonymous

      It is NOT an ATV. It is a John Deere XUV, a farm machine. Since in the pic above, it does not have overhead protectors, it is likely not used for recreation. This is simply a vehicle to haul food and water to farm animals and is likely not driven at any speed, and probably with a standard engine (which I am NOT claiming it has, but it is likely given the cost of upgrades) and loaded as we see it, probably would not attain any real speed. The lack of speed is probably why the toddler was not hurt badly.

    • Anonymous

      And yet it happened. It’s called an accident (which means it happened without intent).  Your judgment (REALLY STUPID) changes nothing. I offer prayers of support for both the grandmother and the little girl.

    • Eric J Foster

       Are we into parenting other people children? Do you wrap yours in bubblewrap and stick them in front of the tv munching on cheesy poofs?  You’d have a heart attack if you knew what my , now 5yo, has been exposed to since he was 9 months old. REALLY STOOPID would be thinking you can protect your child from every risk in life and succeed.

    • Anonymous

      It’s no more stupid than swinging the infant above your head because the infant loves the feeling of playing with ‘daddy’ and the rush of the feeling of free fall. But I bet that’s considered child abuse now too. 

  • Ben Hutchins

    The strange and depressing thing is that this is only the second freakiest child-in-vehicle ligature accident this site has reported this summer.  The heck is going on out there, people?

    • Superuser23

      The heat and humidity must be playing some role in suffocating brain cells of some people. There should be a study done on this too.

      • Anonymous

        Or maybe the great weather this summer had people out and about more often, thus increasing the opportunity for injuries. Seemed like there were more fatal  motor vehicle accidents this summer too.

      • Anonymous

        Global warming maybe?

    • Anonymous

      I was thinking the same thing.

  • Anonymous

    This is so unfortunate.  DO NOT use tractors or lawn mower or ANY atv with an infant or toddler.  It makes my so angry when I drive by a house during the summer months and see a Dad/Grandpa/etc. riding or mowing the lawn with a little one on their lap.  WHY?  These types of machines ARE NOT toys for little ones.

    I will give grandma credit here, she had the little one in a car seat, it shows she does care and was trying to be safe.  It is my guess that the strap she was playing with was used to strap the seat to the gator.  I pray for a speedy recovery.

    • Anonymous

      Again, this was not a tractor, nor an ATV or even a lawn mower, but I see your point. Farm machines, or even lawn mowers, with sharp blades that move are no place for a kid, but that is not the case here.

      The vehicle in this article could best be compared to a golf cart, albeit perhaps a little more dedicated and heavier duty. Look at the picture, the safety seat still looks secure. That was never the issue. It was the excess strapping or seat belt. Given the color, I am guessing it was not John Deere standard but could have been a seat belt purchased in an automotive store.  I am guessing all the adults are going to be skittish about having the kid on the vehicle but I hope they can all find a way for the girl to stay with Gram and go about the chores. Most kids should be so lucky.

  • Anonymous

    Since when is a year old an infant?

    • David Sylvester

       Since forever. What’s your point?

      • Anonymous

        The article state an infant was injured on an ATV. The child is closer to a toddler and the Gator is NOT an ATV.

    • Anonymous

       A one year old is usually walking thus it is a toddler.

      • Anonymous

        Agreed, wonder if she just turned one or was closer to two? Close to two is still a one year old. I am betting the author simply quoted the police and/or is not a parent.

  • Pamela 058

    wow you never know…this woman apparently did everything right and something did happen…I’m just glad no one got hurt but glad that they put it out there for awareness

    • Anonymous

       She WAS hurt, though it was not life threatening.

  • Anonymous

    More thoughtless behavior by adults concerning children.  Four wheelers and small children are ALWAYS a dangerous mix.  

    • Anonymous

      How many wheels does your car have?

    • Anonymous

      babysitter/infant care/daycare/pre school/school, ya, parents care so much about their kids they dump them off every chance they get…

  • We read below: “More thoughtless behavior by adults concerning children.  Four wheelers and small children are ALWAYS a dangerous mix.”

    If you have read the articles on these pages every day at least a year you might be tempted to amend that statement to:

     “More thoughtless behavior by adults.  Four wheelers and human beings are ALWAYS a dangerous mix.”

    The humble Farmer

    • Anonymous

      A car is technically a “four-wheeler”, so is the John Deere Gator XTV. This is not a recreational vehicle, it is a farm vehicle. Far more kids are injured in cars being driven in manners that might be considered irresponsible. Why not ban kids from vehicles altogether?

      I don’t know how or why this article references an ATV because I really doubt the gator would stand up to some of the uses of an ATV or four-wheeler.

      • Anonymous

        I believe they can be registered as an ATV, which if it is (I don’t know if it is) would explain the use of the term ATV.

        • Anonymous

          From the Bureau of Motor Vehicles:

          Farming means engaging in farming in all its branches and the cultivation and tillage of the soil as a livelihood and includes dairying; raising livestock, freshwater fish, fur-bearing animals or poultry; producing, cultivating, growing and harvesting fruit, produce or floricultural or horticultural commodities; or any practices on a farm that are incident to or in conjunction with these farming operations. For the purposes of this motor vehicle law, “farming” does not include forestry, the growing of timber or the operation of a farm for recreational activity.  

          Farm vehicles are registered and received a farm plate. 

          I would assume to register a Gator as ATV, its primary function would be recreational. That doesn’t even look to be the case here. But I did have to look this up. Thanks for the food for thought.

          • Anonymous

            Very nice post. With a farm plate (I believe) you could operate a farm vehicle on a public for a set number of miles. However I don’t think you could operate a farm vehicle on a ATV trail and if you can I think it is still under the set number of mile. I know registering farm equipment as anything but is rare but there is options. I see my 4 wheelers as equipment that rare leave my land but I still register them because sometimes it nice to take a ride. Also a 4wheeler with a small trailer can haul as much as a Gator and is cheaper, only down side is not as nice ride. Just food for thought.

          • Anonymous

            I believe I read there is no limit on how far a farm vehicle can travel on the roads but I believe the kind of use is limited as far as road travel. On the other hand, I believe there is a limit to how far an ATV, used recreationally, can travel on roads to get to trails etc. I am guessing they have to be hauled on a trailer otherwise, but I admit I don’t really know.

          • Anonymous

            You are correct, they have some many yards to run an ATV on a public way. Also the woman may not be farming for a livelihood.

          • Anonymous

            Does the bureau say anything about latching an INFANT to it and driving around?

             Look lady, I fell off the back of a barrel truck INSIDE  a barrel when I was ten while it was moving. MY BROTHER PUSHED ME.

             YES, I know all about COUNTY FARM LIFE. more  then you who grew up in Boston does.  You’ve probably never even seen a barrel truck

             None of that excuses driving an infant around in a any farm machinery. AN INFANT.  Not a toddler, not a pre-schooler. AN INFANT

          • Anonymous

             An infant is a year or younger. This child is a toddler.

          • Anonymous

            This child was at least a year old. The article state a 1 year old girl. So she is closer to a toddler, maybe she is close to 2. Clearly still a baby, so let’s agree on that. But once a baby can sit up unsupported it can safely be strapped into the seat it was in. Unless she was quite small, less than 12lb, that seat was appropriate. The seat was clearly secured to the Gator seat. What happened involved the seatbelt or strap used to secure the seat; that somehow became entangled in the wheel of the vehicle. 

            I am sorry you got dropped from a truck as a kid. That must have hurt and been scary as well. I hope your injuries were not too severe. I agree you probably know more about country life than I. I would likely know more about city life than you so I guess we are even. 

            I spent 20 years as an ER x-ray tech prior to my printing career and my move to Maine, so I know a thing or two about vehicles and safety and the lack thereof. I could tell you some stories that would make your roll from a truck seem like a carnival ride, so I always tend to err on the side of caution. I think this grandmother did all the right things, and something bad still happened. Life is like that sometimes. I had to take a dead child, an infant from its mothers arms, one night. That  was almost thirty years ago and I can still remember what that baby looked like and I could tell tell you exactly what it was wearing. Experiences like that are the worst ones, and they stay with you and want to make you protect your kids and everyone elses’ too. 

            Some of my replies have been in response to other commenters. Sometimes I agree and sometimes I don’t. But I always try to make my point with diplomacy. In this case, my personal opinion is that the grandmother did nothing wrong and that the child is likely in a great environment. It was sad the belt or strap got caught up as it did, I am just not sure who, if anyone, is to blame.

    • Anonymous

      How insightful you are.

       The Barefoot Executive

  • Anonymous

    Hope the child is ok. Must be a lot of city folk on here, in my area its common to see children on equipment.

    • Anonymous

      And it’s common for us “city folk” to wonder what “yall” are thinking.

      • Anonymous

        just keep letting your kids play in the road and put cute little signs on the side that say slow kids playing..   same mentality..

        • Anonymous

          Yes, the BDN is full of stories of children being run over while playing in the streets of Bangor. The people that put up those “slow children playing” signs are those that have moved into the city recently from the country and think it’s still a 55 mph zone that they send their toddler out to play in.

        • Anonymous

          I always feel bad for those kids. The fact that they put a sign out there telling is that the kid is slow just seems wrong.

      • Anonymous

        Right back at ya.

      • Anonymous

        I was born and raised in the Boston area. City kids get hurt just as much as rural kids. My son was hit by a car. I narrowly saved a neighbor kid from the same fate. My son rode his bike into my neighbor’s brand new parked car and left quite a dent and on another occasion a vehicle clipped his bike while he was someplace he should not have been. He was not hurt in any of those incidents, but I have a feeling that was luck or a great guardian angel. I will add that I was at work when all of the incidents occurred and he was in his Dad’s care. His Dad is now with the angels because none of us were there when he had his own accident here in rural Maine. My son is now a man who still worships his Dad’s memory in part, because, he was given the freedom to be a kid. He played outside in the fresh air, got a sunburn, tanned, and grew strong and healthy from riding the many bikes he owned. Maybe he had too much freedom as a young child, maybe not. He is about to enter into the service of his country and I know I could not be prouder of him, and I am sure his Dad will be looking down and protecting him wherever he goes.

        Don’t judge a lifestyle you haven’t lived.

        • Anonymous

          I’m not judging a lifestyle, just poor decision making. Also, your son’s bike (I assume) was not motorized, nor was he riding it when he was one year old.

          By the way, I’m sorry for the loss of your husband, and your son’s father.

          • Anonymous

            Thank you for the kind words regarding my husband. I spent a lot of time at work worrying about my kids but child care cost about eighty dollars a week more than I took home. Welfare would have been a cheaper option, but I held out for all the promotions I ultimately earned. My kids learned a great work ethic from me. They learned freedom from their Dad, in more ways than one, but I won’t go into that other than to say my son has decided to join the Marines. My husband was seriously abused as kid and he firmly believed in letting his kids be kids. They survived scraped knees and my daughter survived two broken wrists she received as she fell on her way to her Dad’s burial. She insisted on doing the burial before the ER. In retrospect, they did survive and they did learn something from the freedom (some would call neglect-but Dad always knew where they were, he just chose not to intervene, and sometimes, like the car hitting a four year old, it just happened too fast). My daughter took her three month out to visit the neighbor’s horse and was not afraid. The horse and the baby loved each other. I might have been afraid to let the baby near such a large animal. I guess it is a matter of perspective. That is why I think the baby in this story was probably enjoying a great environment. I just hope all the adults find a safe way for the baby to ride John Deere. I believe it can be done.

            My son’s bike was not motorized, he was only four, but the car that him was motorized and I doubt that young man (then) drives more than 20mph ever. He was so traumatized. (My son had no injuries and he didn’t even cry.) The question would be why was my son on the street on a bike at four? No, he shouldn’t have been, nor should he have been in heavy traffic when his bike was winged. We moved here when my son was seven, and this did happen before we moved. The parked vehicle was on the end of a driveway, partially on the sidewalk when my son mowed that one down again at less than seven. My neighbor was gracious and refused my offer to pay for the damages. Her brother was able to pull the dent so she was left with just a little scratch on her four day old car. 

            Most kids survive even poor decisions. Sadly some do not. But then some die of minor and mild illnesses while many recover from some catastrophic illnesses. Life is just funny some times. All any of us can do is our best.

            P.S. to Forty6NTwo, The comment about judging a lifestyle was NOT intended to be specific to you, personally. That was just more a general warning for all us, myself included.

  • Anonymous

    gives me chills, How quick things can happen! 

  • Anonymous

    You  people are pretty judgemental!!! They are called accidents for a reason. Do you think what you write the people involved will read it and don’t you think they already fell like crap! Come on and have a heart!
     

    • Anonymous

      Many “accidents” are avoidable.  If the perp was a paid child care provider rather than the child’s grandmother, you can bet she’d be facing criminal and civil action.  The warning label on ALL child seats clearly states they are NOT to be used in any manner not intended.  Could granny’s neck be any redder?

      • Anonymous

        The world would be a better place with more “rednecks” in it. Remember the term redneck came about because there necks become extremely tan due to WORKING all day out in the sun. And before we start tar and feather all country folk thats child ride an ATV before the age of 16, lets remember. The child that had his hand cut off while riding in a car, the missing Waterville child, the toddler out walking the city streets(twice), the child that ate a bunch of her parents coke, and the bangor child care provider whose husband had child porn.

        • Anonymous

          The fact that child neglect (and worse) happens frequently due to the poor judgement of adults around the children does not take away from grandma’s responsibility. There is no way that this child should have been with her on the ATV, because as someone already pointed out, accidents are often predictable.

          • Anonymous

            Its not the child riding on an ATV or UTV that caused the accident. It was the child playing with the strap and the grandma not paying enough attention that caused the accident (just like most child accident), everyone seems to be jumping on this woman for being an ATV driving redneck. I am sorry but like someone has point out, somethings need to get done and if your watching a child those things still need to get done, so the child goes with you.

          • Anonymous

            You mention grandma not paying enough attention while the child was playing with the strap. Doesn’t that just prove my point?

          • Anonymous

            I was never arguing the attention issue (I will in a moment for fun), I take issue with the No child on an ATV. So I would say it proves (doesn’t really prove anything other then our discussion) one of your points.

            To the attention issue. Even when giving the child full attention in a safe environment, accidents do happen and sometimes the child gets hurts. I mean really is there anyone on here that didn’t recieve some injury as a child.

          • Anonymous

            My parents never put me on the top of the car and drove around.

          • Anonymous

            are you sure. you remember being an infant?

          • Anonymous

            Maybe should have had her eyes on the child instead of the path she was driving. Wonder how that would have worked out?

          • Anonymous

            Sooooo, basically a DISTRACTED DRIVER SITUATION.

             Bet Granny babbles on her phone while driving too then. That is the comparison you’re making isn’t it??

             Point is, if she isn’t able to safely do both then DON’T DO BOTH.

             “WELL HOW CAN SHE WATCH THE ROAD IF SHE HAS TO WATCH THE CHILD”

            Read that sentence, take it in and realize how ridicules it sounds.

          • Anonymous

            That was my point!! Thanks. She cannot watch the child 100% of the time and drive, which is how she got into this article. She secured the seat. I am guessing she secured the baby in the seat. What was not secured was the length of strap or seatbelt that was left after the seat was secured, or it somehow got free. The child was able to grab it and it somehow got tangled into the wheel of the vehicle. I am betting speed was not a factor and she was able to stop as soon as the kid cried out thus preventing more serious injury.

          • Anonymous

            Parents cannot watch their kids, secured in safety seats behind them either and keep their eyes on the road, but safety seats are made for cars so parents can transport their kids. We can only do our best in any situation. No one is perfect.

          • Anonymous

             Where you there? NO, so don’t judge without all the info, BDN prints what they have for information but doesn’t mean it is all right!

        • Anonymous

          All bad parenting. As was driving AN INFANT AROUND IN AN ATV OF ANY KIND.

            What do  any of those things have to do with this incident? 

           You make it sound as though people were endorsing these other happenings.

           “Ehhrr.. Well, they did those things, what she did wasn’t as bad” 

          • Anonymous

            This grandmother was not riding her granddaughter on an ATV either.  Go to the John Deere website. This was a JD Gator XTV, or a farm machine, one without a sharp blade, moving or not.  She was going to feed the horses, I believe, and saw this as a way to  take the baby with her. We don’t even know if was necessity or if the child loves to be around the animals.    The baby was secure in a safety seat. What happened was an excess length of seatbelt or strapping ended up in the wrong place.

          • Anonymous

            The case of the child having his hand cut off in a car is quite relevant to this incident. What happened to Gramma seems to be a horrible accident that occured while she was doing something that is common. Gramma should have seen the strap going around the toddlers neck, there is where Gramma screwed up. I would be willing to put money on that most people rode on different equipment as kids.

            That is the point. People on here are acting like she abused the child like the examples I gave. This seems like a horrible accident not abuse or child neglect.

      • Anonymous

        An accident is occurrence from a set of circumstances that has unintended results. I tried something at work one time with disastrous results, even though well intentioned. When I called on it, I said I have only four words. “I’m sorry” and “never again”. I offered to apologize and explain to the client involved (fortunately it was a print job and no personal injury was involved.) Other than a question about how I had managed to make such a mess, that was the end of it. What I did was brilliant, I just did it wrong. It happens. It is unfortunate that a child was injured, but I have already said a prayer in Thanksgiving that it was not more serious. I am also praying that the Grandmother can forgive herself, this must be as tough on her as it was on the child and her mother.

        • Anonymous

          Difference being an INFANT wasn’t stuck in your printer.

      • Anonymous

        Your spiked heals might get stuck in the mud on a farm, please stay in the office, Don’t forget that wally world is having a sale on child made products this weekend.

  • Superuser23

    Car seat NOT ATV Seat….end of discussion

    • Anonymous

      Infant safety seat. Not car-seat. They are very safe for use in trucks too. And I am betting they are safe on the Gator, just need to trim the strap and/or use a safety seat clip

      • Superuser23

        The article said car seat, they should be corrected too. Regardless however is this even…. no you know what I won’t ask because a troll will come along and say it happened on their own land and there is no “what if it rolled over, got hit, throttle got stuck” etc. 

        • Anonymous

          The article should NOT say “car seat”, “ATV” and even “infant” is questionable. Is it legal? Was that the question? That is probably a gray area and why law enforcement is investigating. But it appears it did happen on the grandmother’s private property which could confuse the issue even further.  A safety seat used incorrectly, in violation of some Federal law, may be the only applicable rule, but since little or nothing addresses this particular application for a safety seat, I doubt that will be the case.

          It appears the seat was being used in a forward facing manner in a vehicle that presumably does not have air bags and appears to have been strapped thru the appropriate openings and it looks as if the seat is still secured, only that the excess strap was incorrectly dealt with. I am not sure I ever would have been that creative, but if I was, I hope I would have taken it all the way and used the safety belt clip and then cut the excess strapping, assuming that was not factory installed seat belting. Now I will have to look at my granddaughter’s safety seat base and see where the excess seat belt is. . .but I guess it won’t get stuck in the wheels, since her Mom drives a Chevy sedan.

  • An “ATV” sits single file where a UTV is what this is, a side by side with actual seats with seat belts, ATV’s resemble motorcycle seats and dont off any restraint system at all and since when is a 1 year old an infant ? proper wording of this article would have made a huge difference , especially using the word infant that when seen makes some of us think of a newborn. Seeing the word infant gives the article  an unfair dramatic prey on peoples emotions to create a negative reaction before the article is even read…

  • Anonymous

    Surely, you not suggeting the BDN would sensationalize a headline in order to increase readership.  I’m shocked, shocked I tell you!

  • Dreama Richards

    I feel so bad for the grandmother. I know children that love riding wheelers and nothing wrong with it. Something could happen with children or toddlers in a car or on the streets.

    • Anonymous

      People should be able to understand, and appreciate the difference between a vehicle driving on paved roads with driving laws, and an open air, off road vehicle, that is bouncing along unpaved, rock and root covered trails.

      • Anonymous

        This was not a recreational rider. This is a farm vehicle. These are not cheap, base model is 13G, everything else is extra. I doubt Grandma was out roughshodding with the kid. 

        Just a thought about kids and farms too. How many know that speech therapists use farm animal sounds to help really little kids with speech delays. This little girl is probably growing up in one of the healthiest environments. She gets out to get fresh air, not parked in front of the TV in a playpen. She gets to see the animals live and up close instead of on the Discovery Channel. She gets to interact with the farm animals and horses, which babies love. Grandma went to great lengths to strap a safety seat so she would be belted in a safe manner. . .This was an unfortunate accident. The only way to prevent it would be to keep the baby in the house and away from the great environment she has been exposed to. I wish my kids had been so lucky as to have been around all this.

  • Anonymous

    I’m glad to see all the perfect people are commenting ………………………………………….. just glad that they weren’t around in the “Old Days” of covered wagon …………………………………… we might still be trying to get to the Pacific!!

    • Anonymous

       Is that wagon registered and insured?

      • Anonymous

         … and has air bags and child restraint seats?

        • Anonymous

          No air bags. On rough rides they lashed the kids to the Conestoga supports.

      • Anonymous

        I think if we consider the weight of the horses plus the weight of the wagon and all it hauled, it would have to be a commercial vehicle.

    • Anonymous

      And to think that we not only let kids ride in those, into hostile territories, women gave birth in them too!!

  • Anonymous

    Is there any kind of recreational  vehicle that has more accidents than an ATV? I’m sure the grandmother had no intention of harming the child,  but bad things do happen even with good intentions. I’m also certain she is suffering over this accident happening.

    • Anonymous

      Go to the John Deere website and see what kind of vehicle this is. I know a lot of recreational four-wheeler riders and none drives a John Deere!!

  • Anonymous

    What the heck is wrong with Granny…???

    • Anonymous

      Yeah, what was she thinking? Letting the toddler have all that fresh air, see all the wonderful sights and sounds?? Clearly she is one mean woman!!

  • Anonymous
    • Anonymous

      Yes, a site where I can create my own map based on whatever statistics I choose. . .perfect proof, I tell you. 

  • Anonymous

    Poor judgement all the way around.  She can feed the animals when the child is not in her care.

    • Anonymous

      Just go to wal-mart and shop… How many kids around the world die in factories so you can shop your box store’s??? I prefer  local products and yes there is a risk on family farms..

    • Anonymous

      Maybe, but on a warm day, they need water all the time so maybe this trip was a necessity. Who knows, maybe the baby had just gotten there and Gram was taking her out to see the pretty horses. My four-month old granddaughter has had a chance to interact with a neighbor’s horse up close. There is no substitute for that experience.

    • Anonymous

       What if she’s raising the child, and she’s always there?

      • Anonymous

        don’t worry because most negative  comments come from people who never sweated in their jobs their whole lives…. They have never seen a farm aminal outside a book or video.

        • Anonymous

          Now, Now I am sure they have seen live farm animals on there way to there cottage in the country. :)

      • Anonymous

        Then she will be lucky to be raised in such an environment. Clearly Gradmom cares. But I hope the baby has a Mom and Dad too.

  • Anonymous

    Having grown up on a farm and then reading the comments here… it’s a wonder any of us survived at all. The thing they were riding on was a gator, and that’s almost like a golf cart. MANY wouldn’t have even bothered with the car seat, but just sat the kids next to them or on the lap. You know what… crap happens. 

  • Anonymous

    The nicest people you know leave their teenage children home to watch TV and eat pizza when they go out on Saturday night. On average what’s really happening for the next 5 hours? Responsible?

  • Guest

    I recall going out with the adults to do farm work on the equipment.

    I was steering a FarmAll when very young and driving it by the time I was 10. It’s farm equipment and farm kids have been on the equipment at an early age for many generations.

    This was an unfortunate accident and luckily both are fine.

    (keep on farming)

    • Anonymous

      Since I had a heart attack when my kids were 5 and 2 years of age, I taught them how to drive my my Ford Escort at 10 and 7. I stopped on our dead end street and allowed them to drive past the house into our wide and long driveway. They were both pros in no time and capable of pulling my car to a stop on the side of a road should anything have happened to me. Fortunately, it never did and both my kids are older and very responsible drivers.

  • Anonymous

    Did it occur to anyone else to look at the John Deere website, like maybe the police or BDN. The child was not on an ATV, at least not as we think of them. This looks to me like a JD Gator XUV, a farm machine. Yes, they can be powerful, because they are used to haul and maybe snowplow if you purchase that package. You can see a safety seat in the picture. The problem was not the vehicle but the excess straps (the Gator does come with seatbelts.) I doubt infant car seats come with instructions for attachment to a tractor or XUV. So I am thinking this Grandmother did her very best in securing the infant and probably used a great deal of care, since she did bother to use the safety seat. Unfortunately, somewhere along the way the excess straps came free and there was an ACCIDENT. The article does not mention how many times this kid has been strapped into this machine before, maybe all summer? I would be willing to bet this little toddler loves the farm animals and the time she gets to spend with her grandmother who has so much to teach her.

    As long as there are kids, there will be accidents. Parents, grandparents, and great-parents alike cannot conceive of every danger a child will find or dangers that we ourselves will unwittingly create. When my own son was about 8 months old, I sat him in his carseat inside the house, while I ran to get him a jar of fruit. I fastened the straps, but obviously incorrectly. When I returned less than a minute later, he was out of the seat and hanging by the neck in the strap. Guess that is why today most harnesses are 5 point!! 

    The fact that the child was not too badly injured may not have been sheer luck. Maybe Grandma had done a better job of securing the excess than she is being given credit for and that is what prevented a more serious injury. I know if it were me, I would be so horrified to have caused even a minor injury to my grandchild, and I would be filled with self-doubt. Let’s not judge her or the mother too harshly, this is glorified headline and reported badly.

    Gram, don’t be hard on yourself. I bet you are a wonderful and caring grandmom who had nothing more than unfortunate accident. Your grandchild will grow to know how much you love her and I hope you continue to teach her what is quickly becoming a lost art.

  • Anonymous

    It is a Farm!!!! most of you that are mad at the grandmaother don’t even know where potatoes come from.. Where do you think you get you food??  Hundreds maybe thousands of Kids die and are inslaved every year in factories in thrid world countries so that you can go into wal-mart and buy your shiney products and you don’t give a rats behind… You don’t even know that cotton is a natural product….. they have done a great job at dumbing down of America.. As your eating you french fries at McDonalds remember potatoes are grown in the dirt on farms where kids pick them on school break this month.. God Bless the people of America, Amen!

    • Anonymous

      Judging by your grammar, you are correct about the dumbing down of America.

      • Anonymous

        Thank you for your kind words,  Now that we don’t have factories in America anymore are you proud that most Americans think that the junk they buy in stores magically appear on the shelves to be purchased by them.. The content of my comment is more important than you correcting my grammar.. 74 puts you at 60 which means you were part of the hippie crowd who help dismantle the factories and sent them overseas for kids to work in.. Thank you for your fine work..

        • Anonymous

          None of your babbling is a valid defense for a REDNECK granma driving an infant around on an ATV.

           Let’s take a look at your labels.  Let’s take a look at your TOASTER and MICROWAVE.

          • Anonymous

            My rant is that people who do not work with their hands, have nothing to say about how people that do  hard labor do their work… now go have someone sharpen your pencil or clean the screen on your monitor

    • Anonymous

      I’m from Caribou. I know exactly where SPUDS come from.   I get it, rednecks do things like this all the time. Doesn’t make it smart, or right.

      What does you rant have to do with the topic.

       You’re just another BABBLER that has to make every topic about big box stores. 
       

       ya know what???? I’m POOR…  I SHOP AT WALMART..  Get over it.

      Most of the garbage you buy at the local hardware store was MADE IN  FOREIGN COUNTRY TOO.Most of the clothes you buy at sleepers or any other local outlet was made somewhere besides the USA as well.

      • Anonymous

        I’m married to a Caribou girl. back when filling wooden barrels was the norm.. so she knows hard work and that accidents happen… I can’t believe anyone from Caribou thinks that accidents don’t happened.. you must have been from somewhere else.

  • I personally think that she had the best interest in mind in strapping the seat in. I read that someone said they come with seatbelts but what if that belt was broke or didnt secure the seat well enough? I mean the grandmother Im sure didnt have any intention on hurting the baby!  bet she has done it more then just this once too and had no issues. I feel bad for the gram and the child. I hope the police dont decide to charge this woman! No worse then the grandmother that the kid in the backseat got his had severed with the jump rope. Accidents happen and just be happy the baby is ok.

  • Anonymous

    Car seats for infants riding on tractors. The grandmother should have more brains.

  • Anonymous

    This infant should NEVER have been on the back of this piece of equipment, car seat or not.  No roll bar would protect the infant if gramma had tipped it over.  Completely avoidable.

    • Anonymous

      I don’t think most cars have roll bars either. There are exceptions of course but many families cannot afford them. You should have seen the Ford Taurus that my Ford Explorer rolled over onto on an icy morning. I didn’t even realize I had rolled, a witness told me. The cop didn’t believe him until he saw the Taurus which was parked in the owner’s driveway (can you see my red face?). The roof was in the back seat along with all of the glass the Taurus had and parts of my brakes and steering systems were there as well. That said, other than the undercarriage of my car, a somewhat bent frame from rolling, and a small dent where a phone pole ultimately stopped me, my car looked fine. The cop initially told me I had about 900 dollars in damages, which was revised after the frame was examined. I had no broken glass and my seat belt held me tight to the seat. I had a broken hand where a gun had broken loose from the emergency kit, hitting me on the hand. I also had a torn rotator cuff from the belt, but I am sure I would not be participating here if not for the seat-belt. 

      My point here is that kid could have been in as much or more danger in Gram’s car. The safety seat was secure and if it was higher than the child, there would likely have been less injury than in a car, because these vehicles, like golf carts, are not capable of great speeds. Even in roll over, kids survive in their safety seats, like adults in their seat belts.

      • Anonymous

        Dumbest response I’ve ever seen.  Most cars don’t have ROLL BARS because they have internal support columns.  The fact that you survived a rollover with only a torn rotator cuff demonstrates this point.

        • Anonymous

          So what about the Taurus? That car was flattened to its seats!! The roof and sides totally collapsed, breaking every window in the car. That car was parked, what if that car had rolled?? Guess which car I was happy to be in? Guess what my next car was? You got it, another Ford Explorer, which I have been driving for five and half years and the only money I have spent on it has been normal maintenance. It it about to turn 126,000 miles and I hope to have it a long time. My next car will be a Ford Explorer too. 

          • Anonymous

            What are you? And ad for Ford explorer? I’ve had one too. who cares????

             WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH PLACING AN INFANT IN DANGER  You’re an adult you can defend yourself. AN INFANT CAN’T.

          • Anonymous

            That comment was in reply to another commenter and intended to be a rebuttal to a comment that poster made, nothing more. 

            Be glad you have the Explorer, mine definitely saved my life, and since my kids had lost their Dad just three weeks earlier, I am glad I survived. This accident happened on an icy road after I had dropped my daughter at the high school. The maneuver that caused my vehicle to roll was made in order to not to hit head on any of the vehicles heading that way. On the ice, travelling down a steep hill, braking was causing my car to skid towards oncoming traffic. I elected to sacrifice my vehicle by turning the opposite direction and trying to head into a stand of trees. Obviously, I did not anticipate rolling the vehicle multiple times.

            Don’t think either, that my daughter and others at the school didn’t hear about it. She lived through a few hours of agony of  not knowing, when other students told her it was her car that had had an accident that closed the road to the school. Roads are usually closed completely when an accident is a fatal one. In this case, the police halted traffic in both directions until both sides of the hill were sanded.

            You know, the funny thing was I had taken my seat belt off to get to my pocket for lunch money for my daughter and I didn’t think to put it back on. Before I exited the school parking lot, a voice told me to put my seat belt on. Thankfully, I listened. Call it instinct if you will, but I believe I had someone watching over me that day, as I am not prone to hearing voices, and that reminder was as clear as if someone had been sitting in the seat next to me.

            I realize you don’t need all of this info, but consider it food for thought. If you drove by that accident, you wouldn’t have known that a mother had tried not to hurt other kids and got hurt herself. You wouldn’t have known that a kid who had just buried her Dad spent hours not knowing if her Mom was dead as well. Maybe you don’t care about what really goes on behind the scenes of any accident. But those facts are important to the people who live them at the moment. Just as the FACTS are undoubtedly very important to the grandmother and the granddaughter in this story.

      • Anonymous

        The fact that you’re BRAGGING about rolling a vehicle tells me you aren’t to bright in the first place. THIS  WAS A ONE YEAR OLD CHILD.  Completely helpless. Completely INcapable of even putting their arms in front of themselves to instinctively protect itself. ADULTS DIE driving these things.  What makes it an INTELLIGENT CHOICE  to place a one year old in this kind of danger? 

         REDNECKS…. SHEEESH

        • Anonymous

          Believe me, I never brag about the accident I had. I have used the story many times to illustrate the point of using one’s seat belts. I likely would have been ejected and killed had I not put mine on. I am not ashamed of the decision I made to avoid the line of traffic heading out to the high school as most vehicles had at least one kid in it. Our middle and high school are on the same campus. 

          Yes, this was a young child. An even younger child was thrown free when the car her parents died in was impacted by a moving train. Because the child was thrown, seat and all, she survived with minor injuries. I believe that was a days old or just weeks old infant. Her parents paid for her father’s decision to try to rush the tracks because they were late for a pediatric appointment.

          This grandmother had secured a SAFETY seat onto the vehicle, which was not an ATV as reported. It was a Gator XTV. It is an open vehicle, but then so are convertibles. 

          The infant was undoubtedly strapped securely in her seat.  Even if the seat came loose, serious injury probably would not have resulted, if the grandmother was not speeding. We have all read horror stories of infants killed in stupid accidents. Like the story above, kids survive stupid decisions, too. 

          My point was, and is, that this child seems to be in caring environment, a healthy environment, and one with a lot of potential learning mixed in all the fun she can have. I have made the point in other posts, that perhaps this child was not hurt badly because grandma did do all of the right things. The only exception here is that strap that was used to secure the seat.  

          Bad stuff happens all the time and sometimes parents and grandparents make willfully bad decisions, like driving impaired, not putting kids in a safety seat at all and an accident that is no fault of the parents, claims their kids.  But a real effort was made here to do the right thing, I refuse to judge the grandmother, especially based on the few facts in this article. I will continue to defend her until I am given a real reason not to.

  • Anonymous

    I know why there are adult diapers now… 

    This was an accident. simple as that..

     Sitting in an office doesn’t make food or product appear on the store shelves..  What are you going to do when the dollar hits the fan? no more pedicure’s or manicure’s for both men and women.. you might even have to own a pair of stained jeans and grow your own food… I do want to thank you for sending your used clothing  to the thrift stores, it’s the only place I can get a hundred dollar pair of jeans for 5 buck in new like condition…

  • Anonymous

    maine people are dumb.
    there should be a 30 year moratorium on Mainers propagating to give us time to do something with the deficient offspring already bestowed upon this state. 

    take a look at maine:
    http://flowingdata.com/2011/01/30/what-your-state-is-the-worst-at-united-states-of-shame/

  • Anonymous

    What is the purpose of strapping a baby onto an ATV in the first place? There is a good reason vehicles are designed for the secure placement of car seats. It’s to prevent accidents.  I’m assuming ATVs weren’t designed for car seats because infants aren’t the typical passenger.

  • Brilliant, use a ratchet strap to secure a car seat to a John Deere Gator. Hope the child recovers quickly!

    • Anonymous

      NC has an opinion on how Mainers should live. 

      •  I spent half my life in Maine originally born there. The military bought me to NC and I still call Maine home!

    • Anonymous

      Thanks, Dana, I was wondering what kind of strap was used. 

      I tried to enlarge the pic to see what it was, but it looks like maybe a cell phone pic. Not hi-res at all.

  • Anonymous

    this again? it’s just cleansing the gene pool. thank god.

  • Anonymous

    HEy sh happens can’t live in a bubble life goes on

  • Anonymous

    I know a man who claims he is perfect and doesn’t make mistakes.. I have yet to see him do anything.

  • Anonymous

    I wonder if this will show up on North Woods Law with Tim Spahr and Rick LaFlamme being featured on the show.

  • Anonymous

    People are so self absorbed, they put their children in infant care, than daycare then school, never to even know who their children are.. and they have something to say about farmers who raise their own children. You smug people are the same who defended Carlson over the 12 or so kids he sexually abused because they weren’t your kids…

  • Anonymous

    there are  a lot of judgemental people here, jerks

  • Anyone reading this please heed:  NEVER, NEVER, NEVER take a shall child on an ATV or tractor.  Things go bad real fast on motorized equipment.  What might seem like fun to a small child can quickly become a tragedy.  Don’t Do It!

  • Anonymous

    This could just as easily have read “Infant . . .  injured after strap wraps around neck while riding on the back of father’s bicycle.” Same scenario; child plays with strap, strap gets wrapped around child’s neck, dangling strap gets caught in bicycle wheel. And, of course, someone is going to jump up and down screaming, “A bicycle is not a motorized vehicle!” No, it’s a peddle vehicle that travels as a fairly decent speed and it would be impossible to stop the vehicle before injury occurred. Or the strap could have been on a swing that caught on the supports, or the child could have been riding in an open Jeep going down the highway at 70 mph, or the child could have fallen off a horse, or, or, .  .  . People, not just children, get hurt everyday because of unforeseen accidents (that’s why they are called accidents). It saddens me to know that most people under the age of about 30 have never climbed a tree, have never walked a fence rail, have never jumped into a hay pile, or done the hundreds of things that cause that breathless rush for a child experiencing the thrill of feeling as free as a bird because parents are afraid the child will get hurt. Yes, it’s a terrible experience when a child is injured in an accident, but children who are insulated from experience never gain the concept that ‘it’s wrong’,  ‘can’t do that, it’s too dangerous’, or ‘don’t point the gun at your friend and pull the trigger’. I can almost guarantee that this child will grow up not being afraid of life, having respect for others, and will tell this story as an adult with a chuckle.

  • Anonymous

    seatbelts were federally mandated in 1968, I can guarantee most of you drove before and after that with out any, with no ill effects.. but yet here you are verbally hanging someone who obviously cared for the welfare of this child and used everything she had available to secure the safety of this child and enjoy the life they have. go back to crying about windmills please.

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