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  • Anonymous

    “Waste is in the eye of the beholder.”

     That’s all I need to know about the author.

    • Anonymous

      Your right. In my eyes every Republican in Congress is a waste of taxpayer’s money .

  • Anonymous

    Every conservative from here to hell and back will swear this just isn’t true because they have absolutely no use for the truth if it makes Obama look good.

    • Anonymous

      Why do you feel compelled to insult other Americans so casually? I was remarking on the foundation of the author’s article.

      • Anonymous

         Because he’s liberal?

    • John Dough

      The truth doesn’t make Obama look good. You’re thinking of “spin”!

      • Anonymous

        Typical R response.  Facts contradicting R propaganda (often false) is “spin”.

    •  Unfortunately, the Republicans (or many of them, anyway), are willing to make things harder for average Americans just to make the President look bad.  It is critical that we elect a filibuster-proof Congress so we can move forward and get us out of this partisanship-caused malaise.

      • Anonymous

         We don’t have to make things look bad for obama, he’s doing that all by himself!

        Problem is, Democrats can’t admit a mistake to save their lives (or their party)!

      • John Dough

        This president doesn’t need Republicans to make him “look bad”.

      • Anonymous

        The Republicans have no need to make it hard for the average American to make Obama look bad.  Obama has ensured that things will be much harder for the average American for the next generation and there is no putting lipstick on the pig that is the Obama administration. The most telling line in this campaign piece is that a half BILLION dollars wasted on the crony project at Solyndra is dismissed as too small to be concerned about.  We could have built enough hydro dams in Maine with that to give us clean, cheap, reliable energy for the next 100 years.  We’d have been better off if Obama had converted the half a billion to dollar bills and burned it.  At least we’d have gotten some energy out of it.

    •  Yup.  If Fox News doesn’t say so, it must be false!

  • Anonymous

    Well the $787 billion would have helped if it would not have been siphoned by the gov’t agencies that probably had to hire thousands of employees to review the applications requesting aid. Oh, that was the stimulus, adding gov’t jobs.

    • since you used the word “probably,” at least you are not pretending that what you are imagining is fact.  Do your research, and I am sure you will not find additional gov’t jobs created for processing applications. 

      • Anonymous

         You’re SURE that no additional government jobs were created for processing the stimulus?  What color is the sky in your world?

    • Anonymous

      And so what if it was a govt job? The PEOPLE in those jobs don’t pay taxes? The PEOPLE in those jobs don’t buy groceries, or clothing, or fix their cars, or put their kids through school? The PEOPLE in those jobs don’t take the money they make and put it into the economy so other PEOPLE can have jobs…?

      What is it with you people?

      • Anonymous

         The PEOPLE in those jobs don’t produce anything of value to increase the wealth of the nation.

      • Anonymous

        Government is a reaper, not a grower. Government has no seeds to plant that it did not steal from a farmer. That money would have done much more good if left in the private sector.

        • Anonymous

          And what was happening at the time this stimulus was given to the states to preserve these govt jobs…? A very, very deep economic downturn that rivaled the Great Depression in its drop. To prevent another Depression these jobs were preserved… Get the money into the hands of middle class people, and, yes, these were mostly middle class jobs… where middle class people spend it on groceries, on clothing, on education for their kids…

          You, oldmainer, and Joe at the top of this thread, are talking in generalities about what govt jobs do or don’t do…

          As a matter of what to do to prevent a depression, this was a very efficient way to help states with their failing budgets, save lots of jobs that would likely be lost as state revenues dwindled, get money into the economy and prevent further slowing of the economy. 
          You talk as if you don’t know there was an economic crisis going on… and still is going on for millions of unemployed or underemployed…

  • Anonymous

    More propaganda brought to you by the DNC.  The oder of desperation is unpleasant, and getting worse by the day.

    • Anonymous

       It sounds like they know they are about to get hit about the head and shoulders on the campaign trail.

      • Anonymous

        As I’ve also posted elsewhere, R & R better not think campaigning on their flasehoods will be to their advantage.  They and die hard TPers (and rightist commentators) will be the only ones deluded enough to consider their stands true.

        • Anonymous

          8.3% unemployment, 1.5% and dropping GDP growth.

          • Anonymous

            Thanks to GOP obstruction, austerity demands, and give aways to the very wealthy… The Gatsby/Galt ticket has the hallmarks of what is wrong with our economy and the politics preventing recovery writ large all over it…

          • Anonymous

             Now wait a second. Obama spent close to a trillion dollars on various stimulus bailouts…. and it is the Republicans holding things back?

          • Anonymous

            Oh, come on…

          • Anonymous

             What would be good? Two trillion dollars? Three maybe?

            Maybe we could buy a couple auto companies… woops… check.

             How about calling the shots in the banking Industry…. Oh yeah, been there done that.

            How about taking over a third of the economy with a healthcare bill…. oh yeah. Been there
            also.

            Maybe if we could control consumer finance… Oh yeah we do that now too…

            There is hardly an area of the economy that Obama and his minions have not touched in a personal way.   ahumm.

            What exactly would satisfy you?

          • Anonymous

            You fixate on the word “control…” without justification. We are not a socialist system even with the measures that were taken, the regulations that are in place (some of which have existed in one form or another for decades), the amount that was spent and how it was spent. The govt does not CONTROL consumer finance… Hopefully it will regulate it so the dirtbags that through greed, hubris and astonishing risk taking nearly collapsed the entire house of cards won’t do it again… I’m not so sure they won’t… Are you?

            Christine Romer very credibly proposed something like $1.2 trillion in stimulus. Given the depth of the hole that was created with Bush largess to his cronies in the defense and security industries, his “base” as he called them, and the unfunded wars (again his crony contractor buddies made a killing, literally, there) and given the amount of toxic derivatives generated by the big banks and mortgage houses vacuuming up as many subprime mortgages as they could con people into signing, fostering a worldwide housing bubble and mortgage crisis… given the depth of the challenge, something north of a trillion was very credibly proposed by very smart people, but POLITICALLY impossible to accomplish.

            And please, don’t cry debt and deficit… oh, our grandchildren… a growing economy pays down debt, reduces deficits… Short term stimulus spending does not a priori translate into long term deficits.

          • Anonymous

            I don’t think you understand what has happened in finance. I visited my loan officer the other day…. my fico score is over 800 and have never in 20 years missed a payment  and could not get a loan even though I own the commercial property I was borrowing against because I was going to use it to finance another unrelated business idea I had. The loan officer shook her head and said Dodd-Frank. Bizarre… if that isn’t control what is?

          • Anonymous

            While we are at it some of the best known money people in the world are predicting a situation forthcoming where even the wealthiest people loose 50% of their money. They are blaming the debt and Bernanke printing money.
            Learn to grow tomatoes my friend.

            http://www.moneynews.com/StreetTalk/Faber-massive-wealth-destruction/2012/04/04/id/434832?PROMO_CODE=E969-1

          • Anonymous

            Inflation prognosticators have been hyperventilating about this for months… I’ve seen the online ads popping up all over the web… Inflation has remained at historic lows for a couple years now, and trends don’t indicate the hyperbole these folks resort to… sorry, I don’t buy it…

          • Anonymous

             I have seen ads also. I just never saw Faber in it before. This is new..

          • Anonymous

            Sorry to hear of your difficulties, but I’m not sure what your situation proves…

          • Anonymous

             You mentioned government control… best example I could think of. I am not having difficulties, someone won’t be hired is all.  On the other side of that is a story about skinning felines.

          •  hmmm, where would the GDP and unemployment numbers be if say… ooh I dunno, GM were to not be around anymore?

        • Anonymous

           Time will tell.

          • Anonymous

            Yup.

      • Anonymous

        With the Gatsby/Galt ticket…? Good luck with that… Of course between the Atwater/Rove campaign playbook and all those very wealthy un-american Citizens United you really can’t trust the election process to produce a fair election in some states anymore… Election fraud has been blatantly obvious in some recent elections unlike mythical voter fraud.

        • John Dough

          So, you support voter IDs, then?

          • Anonymous

            Why would I if VOTER FRAUD is shown over, and over, and over to be virtually non-existent…?

            ELECTION FRAUD… you know electronic voting machines being easily hacked, proprietary software that permits private companies to control verification of election results, a state election director also being the campaign director for a major candidate and preventing poor districts from getting the polling equipment, machines, ballots, personnel needed to run the polling… THAT sort of fraud that influences the results of elections, that actually causes someone to win an election that doesn’t in fact win… I don’t support that. And if you cared, you wouldn’t either. Black Box Voting will lay it all out for you… Republicans as well as Democrats have cried foul about this… so it ISN’T a partisan issue… It is a fundamental issue to our democracy…

            VOTER FRAUD shown over, and over, and over to be virtually non-existent is NOT fundamental to our democracy, because it DOESN’T exist. Forcing voters to obtain ID’s to prove their legitimate to vote is a solution in search of a problem… THAT DOESN’T EXIST… THAT boogieman is the creation of the GOP to disenfranchise voters that tend to vote against the GOP.

          • John Dough

            I’d be satisfied to just stop the liberal college kids from rounding up the homeless drunks and paying them in cigarettes to vote for democrats. …not that that EXISTS, or anything, of course! I’m just saying.

          • Anonymous

            Well here’s the thing. Do you really think enough homeless drunks could ever be rounded up in any place but a very small town in numbers sufficient to change the results of an election? Do you really think that hypothetical scenario has ever taken place, where enough false voters changed the results of an election?

            I think ELECTION fraud HAS taken place, and the results of elections HAVE been influenced by means of some of the things I listed above… Congress has been called upon to investigate credible instances of these problems…

            Voter fraud, though, where false voters or a single voter voting too many times, or in too many  districts… the instances of that happening and someone being prosecuted for it are virtually non-existent. Not zero, but so close to zero with the millions and millions of ballots cast, as to be statistically meaningless… Happening enough to actually flip an election result…? As complicated as our voting is across so many counties across the country, couldn’t happen in any place but the very smallest of towns…And even then there is no evidence that it has taken place. It is not a fundamental threat to our democracy… We do not need voter ID’s to “protect the vote.”

            Election fraud is a fundamental threat to our democracy, and has likely flipped election results in nationwide elections…

          • John Dough

            Dude! What are you smoking? First you say it “DOSEN’T EXIST”. Then you say it exists but it’s insignificant. I think the right to vote is more important than the right to drink, don’t you? You need ID to buy a beer, why not to vote?

          • Anonymous

            Why? Because voter fraud… as distinct from election fraud… is statistically non-existent… You do understand what “statistically non-existent” means, don’t you? I don’t want that to be too nuanced an argument for you to grasp.

          • Anonymous

             I am sure sense you must have been an eye witness to this taking place you notified the proper authorities.

          • John Dough

            Better than eye witness. I saw it on Fox.

            (That ought to keep ’em busy for a while. Don’t you just love liberal baiting?)

          • Anonymous

            You’re right about election fraud.  It has been a problem in Maine  Surely you remember.  It was in all the papers. Dem legislator for life John Martin’s chief lackey’s were caught altering ballots.  I’m sure that was the last time the Maine Dems ever did anything like that…or maybe they just got better at it.

            http://articles.latimes.com/19

            PORTLAND,Me. — A top aide to the Speaker of Maine’s House of Representatives pleaded guilty Wednesday to burglary and ballot-tampering charges in a case that has raised questions about the state’s practice of having the Legislature appoint the secretary of state and attorney general.Kenneth Allen, executive assistant to Democratic House Speaker John Martin, offered his plea in state Superior Court in Augusta. It came 12 days after another legislative aide, Michael Flood, pleaded guilty to
            breaking into a ballot storage room in the State Office Building on Dec.
            11 during a recount, to alter ballots in favor of Democratic candidates
            in two closely contested elections for the Maine House.

          • Anonymous

            Which supports my statement: “Republicans as well as Democrats have cried foul about this… so it
            ISN’T a partisan issue… It is a fundamental issue to our democracy…”

            Thanks for pointing that out…

    • Anonymous

      Speaking of propaganda and desperation. More like facts on the D side.

    •  If it’s from the Washington Post, then it doesn’t have a Democratic slant.
      And just because it goes against Republican talking points doesn’t mean it is propaganda.
      By the way, if it stating fact, then it isn’t propaganda.

  • Anonymous

    This rewrite makes the assumption that money was spent correctly to begin with and got the most bang for the buck. Obama spent the equivalent of 14% of annual GDP in a relatively short time to little effect. That is way more money spent as a percentage of GDP than Carter or Clinton stimulus.  Heck I am willing to bet that our most economically challenged left wing poster could do as poorly as the Obama stimulus failure on pure dumb luck.

    • anonme 527

       …”to little effect”…You seem to have missed the point of the article. As lackluster as things are right now, they would have been far worse without The R&RA (read as: “if the GOP had been elected”). And as for Olympia Snow’s decision to hold her party line well, maybe retirement WAS her best option. There has been one place in the country where construction sector jobs are available (besides R&RA road-and-bridge maintenance projects which, by the way would have had to have been paid for with or without the R&RA) and those jobs have been available in California. Why? Because they DID make a huge investment in public schools. Why doesn’t the GOP want to invest in fixing or building new public schools? Because they all send their kids to expensive private schools that working people get priced out of, and why should the 1% do their part to educate YOUR kids? The GOP is at war with working Americans.

      • Anonymous

        The fact remains that other stimulus programs were passed in past years with support from BOTH parties and were effective with far less money. This stimulus was passed with little/no Republican support and was only marginally effective and sooner or later our economy will have to pay the price.
        Projects like the Federal building project in downtown Bangor really will add nothing to the economy after it is finished. Nothing… no return except a new on-going maintenance bill.  Stimulus should result in a self generating business boost, this one failed on that score.

        • Anonymous

          Maybe the stakes weren’t as high in previous years so they cost less.

          • Anonymous

             The number was as a percentage of GDP.

        • Anonymous

          Federal building renovations… adding nothing…? Really… nothing…? Was it done by fairies? Were the materials used conjured up through magic?

          Self generating business boost? For a country in such dire need of a cogent energy policy, it went a fur piece down that road toward one… One that will continues to give a return.

          Sorry, but another disingenuous reading…

          And can I take this comment to mean you would have supported a more efficient, targeted, directed stimulus effort unlike the congressional obstructionists that were ready to veto anything no matter what it was supposed to do? Or is this just sniping in hindsight?

          Those that respected the precedent for the efficacy of stimulus spending and short term deficits in the face of a very, very deep economic downturn, the “spender and lender of last resort” stepping up to take up the slack, tried to fashion an effective policy that was mired in POLITICS while millions lost their jobs, lost their savings, were effectively pushed out of society… thanks to gop intransigence and stubborn refusal to let go of failed policies that didn’t fit the crisis being faced. Tax cuts, part of the stimulus package, would not ever be the main force of fiscal economic policy to spur growth in the type of recession we were in, and arguably still are. And yet all we hear about is tax cuts for the fictional “job creators” that are not that to begin with, but which are not creating new jobs because of a lack of demand for what they produce. Access to credit or a lower tax burden is not hindering job creation… lack of demand is. And the gop LIES, LIES, LIES about this constantly… After the fact sniping is in service to the maintaining the status quo which is to say, take from the middle class and give to the rich… exactly what has been happening for the past 30 years.

          • Anonymous

            I suppose it was better than people collecting unemployment (another part of the stimulus bill) But please tell me what the business boost was/is?  Where is the wealth creation?

            Where is the long lasting economic effect. When those people get done with that project they will join the unemployed. There are no similar projects on the horizon.

            I think I have said in the past that a more targeted approach would have been better than the economy crushing debt we have piled on ourselves. We have had this discussion before I expect.

          • Anonymous

            Take a look at the website that the State has up that details where the ARRA coming into Maine went… It gives a great deal of detail.

            As for the straw man you insist on standing up so you can push it over… long term business boost… yes, in a perfect world THAT would be an efficient use of stimulus funds. The reality of a deep, deep, deep economic crisis where demand for goods and services tanks, getting money into the hands of those that will spend it quickly on common articles is a very good use of funding to prevent even more jobs being lost leading to even weaker demand, leading to even more jobs lost and weaker demand… a depression where even the barber down the street can’t find customers… Long term bang for the buck was not the point to a lot of the stimulus… Immediate stimulus to a tanking economic engine was the point…

          • John Dough

            You know… You should learn to say what you have to say in short sentences.

          • Anonymous

             A real cogent energy policy.  Solyndra, Windmills and ethanol.  Might as well rely on fairy dust and unicorn farts.  Let me know how that ethanol thing works out for you when your grocery bill goes through the roof this winter.

          • Anonymous

            Switch grass, wasn’t it, that Dubya thought marvelous…? If food prices go through the roof it will have more to do with drought from climate change than production of ethanol… Food riots in Mexico over corn prices haven’t been publicized much here in the good ole US of A, given the corporate media doesn’t feel all that confident waking up sleepers like you. And that was at least two or three years ago…

            Feeling a bit cynical tonight, old timer?

            And again you help prove my point… no cogent energy policy… too bad, we could use one… Oh, but that’s right, it might be mistaken for… dum, dum, dum… Central Control…

          • Anonymous

             Central control gave us ethanol and windmills.  Without the “geniuses” in DC mandating them no one would even consider either one because without government coercion they make no sense.  You almost got it right.  dumb, dumb, dumb.

          • Anonymous

            Coercion…? Sorry, but that’s a bit much…

          • Anonymous

            We are REQUIRED to use ethanol under penalty of law and we are required to produce a portion of our energy from “renewables” under penalty of law.  If you don’t understand that as government coercion then the public schools are even worse than I thought.

          • Anonymous

            And you must buy auto insurance and pay your taxes… dolt…

          • Anonymous

            When you resort to name calling you’ve have lost.

          • Anonymous

            When you insult my education and intelligence, I’ll call you a dolt… dolt.

          • John Dough

            Evidently, you could use a remedial course in diplomacy. Old mariner does have a point…(and it’s a more defensible point than yours…suggesting you might also be a candidate for a debating course).

          • Anonymous

            When you display a lack of intelligence you insult your own education and there is no need for me to call you a dolt.

      • Anonymous

         “As lackluster as things are right now, they would have been far worse without The R&RA”

        Good luck proving that negative!

        • Anonymous

          Do you ever speak in more than short sentences? You say prove it, but offer short, drive by comments that amount to nothing whatsoever except ad hominems against liberals, the left, democrats… how about you show us the goods… Got any?

        • John Dough

          Classical Democrat spin: As bad as things are because of us, they would be worse without us.

          Yawn….

    • Anonymous

      I would expect a more critical and honest reading… but I guess I’ll just have to be disappointed. Saving up to 3 million jobs through aid to the states are REAL jobs and the people whose jobs were retained still pay taxes on their middle class incomes, still buy groceries, still buy clothing, go to movies or other entertainments… It is disingenuous to say that that is a failure of policy when without the ARRA many of these would likely be looking for work right now.

      The auto bailout also falls in a similar category. Millions of jobs in supportive small businesses, your forte I have been led to believe, feeding goods and services to the auto industry were saved. The loans or stimulus or investments (however you want to term it) have been paid back to the Treasury, which has recorded a profit on the short term investment in some cases. It is spun to belittle these facts, but these facts stand up pretty well on their own. It is disingenuous to deny that millions more people would be looking for govt benefits if the ONE manufacturing industry still doing much of anything for American workers were to have been allowed to go under.

      It is also disingenuous to compare this to stimulus by either Carter or Clinton when the fiscal hole Obama inherited as a result of two unfunded wars and massive tax cuts, which in themselves account for much of the deficit and debt the Bush regime amassed, was enormous and the financial crisis deeper than ANYTHING since the 30’s.

      I don’t consider myself economically challenged, at least on the broader issues, and I can read honest analysis fairly well… Your comment doesn’t bear up under even casual scrutiny…

      There is much to criticize in this admin’s handling of the economy and I am not shy to state my opinions about it, but the efficacy of the ARRA as small as it was (thanks to gop obstruction) will only catch my ire because it was too small. For what it did, it was better than nothing, which is what the gop offered.

      • Anonymous

        First, remove the tripe about 3 million “saved jobs”. There is no way to measure “saved jobs”.

        Second, the auto bailout has been a failure. All it did was help the unions. The truth about GM is coming out every day, and they’re not doing well at all, despite the propaganda being spread on their Olympic commercials. Sure did well with the Chevy Volt, didn’t they.

        This piece is nothing but desperation during an election season. The left are worried about losing the White House, so they’re pulling out all the stops.

        • Anonymous

          Partisan lies, EJ. Unsubstantiated… “Helped the unions…” BS. It helped the PEOPLE that work for a living… and that happen to be in unions… They aren’t American enough for you, EJ? They don’t buy groceries, pay taxes, put their kids through school… What is it with you people? Helped the unions, my arse…

          • Anonymous

            Noting partisan at all. Just Google “auto bailout unions” and have fun reading. The union now owns 41.5% of GM. Nearly 25 billion of the bailout has been written off by the Obama administration. GM is making sub-prime loans all over the place, and sinking millions into advertising overseas. 

            Of course, you could read it from all the sources and still not believe it because it would make your man look bad.

          • Anonymous

            So what…? Union workers are AMERICAN WORKERS…  They are part of our economy. Supporting them supported our economy… No way that you cut it changes that… You just hate the idea of unions… Why? They were the impetus that gave us an 8 hr workday, vacations, child labor laws…

            Employee-owned businesses… and you’ve got a problem with that too?

          • John Dough

            Ask the next ten cops, firemen, and teaches which of these two options they would choose if their town had a 20 percent budget cut:

            A. I would take a 20 percent cut in pay

            B. I would eliminate the 20 percent of my fellow union brothers and sisters who have the least seniority.

          • Anonymous

            Excellent.  Seen it happen dozens of times.

          • Anonymous

            Nice hypothetical proving what…? That you don’t like unions? Off topic… this thread with EJ has been debating the bailout of the auto industry, and preventing the loss of jobs of those that feed into the auto industry… What exactly does your denigrating hypothetical and disdain of unions have to do with that? Ask a CEO that crashed his company to give back his multimillion dollar golden parachute when he resigns in what should be disgrace…

          • John Dough

            Okay, let me connect the dots for you.

            You said, “Union workers are AMERICAN WORKERS” (your emphasis).  You go on to suggest we somehow owe something to them because they support our economy, they are responsible for the 8-hour work day, vacations, blah, blah, etc.

            I merely pointed out that public union workers are in it for themselves and couldn’t care less about others.  I have seen the following happen again and again:

            Taxes go up, often because of public worker union contracts.  Non public workers  lose their jobs, often due to an economic downturn.  They can’t pay their taxes.  Tax revenue goes down.  Towns fall on hard times.  They ask unions to make concessions; they ask unions to share the pain with taxpayers.  Unions tell them to go pound sand…”We’ve got ours!”, they say. Towns say, “The only alternative is to lay off union workers”.  Union workers, WITH SENIORITY, say, “screw ’em”, I got mine and I’m not giving it back.

            Example?  Google “Wisconsin union workers trash state Capitol”

            Union workers are selfish workers.  They have no compassion for taxpayers and the only compassion they have for each other is when they are on their common mission to fleece taxpayers.

            And, just so you know, I don’t hold CEOs who crash their companies, then disappear into the shadows with their multimillion dollar golden parachutes, in very high esteem, either.   Obama is the poster child of this category.

          • Anonymous

            “You… suggest we somehow owe something to them…” I suggested no such thing… What I suggested was instead of letting the auto industry go under, and by extension, letting millions of other workers that support the auto industry lose their jobs as well, greatly deepening both the unemployment problem and the demand problem that is hampering recovery, it was a prudent thing to take steps to prevent the auto industry from bankruptcy.

            The government doesn’t owe the unions anything per se, and the bailout of the auto industry was much more about preventing further damage to millions of people in a tanking economy, than about political favors to presumed political allies. To presume as much is, in my opinion, rather dark cynicism.

            Everything else you have brought up, or EJ, and I have replied to about unions is secondary to my original point. The Labor movement, regardless of what you or I think about it now, in fact did provide the impetus to make changes to labor policy that you and I enjoy… that is assuming you like an 8 hr work day, overtime pay, vacations, etc… Having been self-employed for a number of years now, I benefit much less directly from these particular reforms than when I was employed full time, but a large majority of workers in this country still do… thanks to the Labor Movement and union activism. How soon people forget history, or perhaps never even learn it.

            And in regard to the argument of whether unions are good or not… Greed, hubris, and power have without a doubt infected these organizations’ leadership in some cases… no less than greed, hubris, and power has infected the organizations of multinational corporations, domestic companies, and, yes even small businesses. It certainly DOESN’T follow that ALL corporations, large or small, are corrupt and evil, nor are all unions… even as much as the business-led anti-union movement would like people to believe.

            I could say the same, and MUCH, MUCH more about Bush or Romney than about former constitutional law professor Obama with regard to corrupt or immoral business ethics.

          • Anonymous

            Obama was a lecturer. He refused a professor position.

          • Anonymous

            I stand corrected…

          • Anonymous

            Of course, it did help a lot of union members keep their jobs. But a whole lot more went overseas. And now that the Volt is a bust, they’ve had to lay off all the workers at the Volt plant. 

        • John Dough

          Help the unions! Now you’ve put your finger on it. Remember, without unions, Obama wouldn’t have anybody to spread our wealth TO.

  • Anonymous

    The stimulus was wrong all the way around, and our senators voted for it–shame, shame!
    The stimulus should have been bigger? So more taxpayer money could have been wasted?
    Too many American journalists have been dumbed-down—

    • Anonymous

      No comment. (I’m feeling nice today, it’s Sunday after all.)

      • Anonymous

         Oh go for it, you can’t be that mentally constipated ;-)

        • Anonymous

          That’s your opinion of being nice?  I actually had plenty of comments but they were in response to redundancy so I decided not to be redundant myself.  Have a nice day.

    •  If more people are back to work and money is circulating through the economy, then it isn’t wasted.  Slashing spending isn’t going to put people back to work.  Letting our infrastructure go to hell isn’t going to help our economy.

      • Anonymous

         Then that must be the reason they built the new intersection at the head on MDI, then as soon as it was finished, they ripped the entire thing up and built it again, exactly the same!

        Just another example of obamanomics and the inefficiency of this administrations approach to shovel ready jobs!

        Why do it right when you can do it over!

      • Anonymous

        But, more people aren’t back to work. The real unemployment rate is close to 15%. Sure, there’s more money floating around because Obama has had the treasury printing 24/7. But the dollar is down against foreign currencies, and the price of goods and services in the US has risen faster than the rate of inflation.

        The stimulus was a miserable failure. If a Republican president had done the same thing as Obama did, he or she would be crucified in the press for the failure that it was. But, not Obama. Not in the Washington Post. And not in an election season. 

        • Anonymous

          Lies, EJ.

          • Anonymous

            You just can’t handle the truth.

          • Anonymous

            You haven’t formulated the truth.

        • Joe

          At least George W. sent me a check instead of manipulating the stimulus money and picking the winners and losers (Obama)…cash for clunkers, auto industry bailout,Solyndra. etc. don’t forget about those “fat cat bankers” that give out (or don’t) loans to people/companies…the real problem had to do with people using their homes as ATM’s…

    • Anonymous

       Most journalists were dumb to begin with, so it didn’t take much!

  • Anonymous

    If it was the success this author and all the Liberal sheep think it was, they wouldn’t have to defend it so vigorously!

    Who you gonn’a believe, obama or your own eyes!

    • anonme 527

       OBAMA

      • Anonymous

        That’s exactly what he wants, sheep who believe him instead of what they actually see for themselves!

        • Anonymous

          Couldn’t think of another response?

          • Anonymous

            That was a fine response.  I feel sorry for you if you believe all the Obama pablum.

    • Anonymous

      I believe both the president and this analyst more than I can swallow your spin and propaganda.

      • Anonymous

        That’s exactly what he wants, sheep who believe him instead of what they actually see for themselves!

        • Anonymous

          Most of the “baas” are coming from the conservative side.

    • Anonymous

      The truth will overcome.  Nov. 2012  America will bounce back.  Romney will be the next President.

      • Anonymous

         Yes, I know! Just like the squeaky wheel, Liberals here get more attention thanks to BDN’s liberal agenda, but they can’t control everyone and it’s driving them crazy!

        • Anonymous

          BDN is all Liberal.  Have never seen so much ignorant and hateful rants as in this newspaper.  They can all dish it out but canNOT take the heat when it is served back to them.  And nothing gets accomplished.  Must be those little egos.

      • Anonymous

        Truth?  Seems to be a lacking commodity on the conservative side, given all of the myths they try to publicize.

        • Anonymous

          Gopher, Surely you jest. Truth and Politics…………You can continue to eat the pablum that Obama feeds to the masses. I will take the Republican Truth.

    • Anonymous

      My own eyes. I can read the analysis that shows up to 3 million jobs saved… hundreds of thousands more created… The smudged lens you are looking through have all but blinded you to the facts…

      • Anonymous

        GDP growth 1.5 and dropping

        Unemployment at 8.3% and climbing.

        SSDI rolls rising

        Food stamps use increasing.

        These people have no idea what they are doing.

        EJ is right about the jobs saved… bs.

        • Anonymous

          Dealing with a majority in Congress that has publicly vowed to cause this admin to fail… regardless of what it does to the economy. How about just a little honesty about the role of the gop in what has and hasn’t happened?

          And I will be one of the first to agree trying to “reach across the aisle” when the dems had a majority in congress was a DREADFUL mistake given the lunatics that they were reaching out to… THAT is no argument in support of your position, but it WAS a decent thing to do… at least a show of bipartisanship… when they should have realized what they were in fact dealing with… power-hungry One Party rule ideologues that seek power rather than the good of the country…

          • Anonymous

             That sounds like we have a weak President doesn’t it.  A President unable for any reason unable to work with the other side.

            The so called “reaching across the aisle” was no more than a photo op and a discussion at the White House telling Republicans how it was going to be. After all they were not needed to pass his signature pieces of legislation. No concessions were made. The Democrats didn’t need to. (At least until Scott Brown replaced Ted Kennedy)  That meeting poisoned the well and from that point onward no support from a Republican…. I can’t recall this kind of governing and gridlock ever before and  since he is the President it falls to Obama to make it right.

          • Anonymous

            That may be your opinion, and you are entitled to it. I won’t say it is right or accurate, but you’re entitled to it.

            As far as a weak prez… maybe… but he did pass health care legislation that both repubs and dems have been trying to pass for decades… You may not like it, but authoritative analysis from many credible sources give it high marks on a number of fronts… not perfect by any stretch, but simply to have passed it is very significant given how many have tried and failed…

            Financial reform… same story….

            Replacing a likely depression with a slow recovery through the ARRA and other policy initiatives, is also a positive in my view… If I were king I’d have taken other’s advice, but that is from the comfort of hindsight…

            And all this from someone who doesn’t support him, didn’t vote for him, and likely will only vote for him because the 1%-er ticket of Gatsby/Galt would make all of us closer to corporate slaves or chattel being a vote for the plutocracy.

          • Anonymous

             I have watched, economically speaking, 6 Presidential elections. One of my business ventures ebbs and flows with the election cycles. I mean things get better in election years and falls off in subsequent years. I don’t benefit from campaigns and such so it isn’t that. I have always suspected government money flows better in those years. This may well be the worst election year I have ever had. (no final numbers of course)  and that does not bode well for January… meaning things could fall off the cliff for the economy come next year.

          • Anonymous

            Dramaaaaaaa

          • Anonymous

             No drama, just year over year numbers. Which by the way is a number you use to keep people or lay them off.

          • John Dough

            “…he did pass health care legislation … simply to have passed it is very significant….”

            Take away the deceit, the purchasing of votes and exemptions for favored groups (like unions) and he would have failed at that…

            …TOO!

          • Anonymous

            I see that you almost understand the sausage making process of legislating…

          • So who are you going to vote for in 2012, Mitt “Windsock” Romney?  

          • Anonymous

             Do you need a response or am I just the straight man?

          • John Dough

            Romney would not be my personal first choice except that the only other choice for first choice is the loser we’ve had for the last 3-1/2 years. Given those two choices, it’s Mitt by a landslide.

          • Joe

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTDYHAyWR7A

            Why we must rally behing Mitt Romney….

            Ron Paul 2012

      • Anonymous

        There is no way in the world to measure “jobs saved”. That was just an add-in by the Dems to make their failed stimulus look like it actually helped. We are still in the negative when it comes to job growth. 

        • Anonymous

          You don’t know what you are talking about, EJ. The police, firefighter, and education jobs NOT lost because of ARRA going to the States is quantifiable…

          • John Dough

            There you go with the unions again. They have been the biggest beneficiaries of Obama’s largesse, at our expense of course.

          • Anonymous

            Doh!

            Dough, I guess I keep forgetting that the PEOPLE in the unions don’t spend money in the economy. They contribute nothing to the economy. They don’t buy things. They don’t pay taxes… They don’t send their kids to school… They hoard whatever they make under the mattress… They don’t take out loans… They don’t get sick… They don’t take vacations… They don’t do anything that will cause other PEOPLE to have jobs… The PEOPLE that make things that the unions use by selling to the companies where unions are don’t contribute anything to the economy either… Once the union gets ahold of anything, it vanishes from the economy… quite remarkable, really… just poof, it’s gone…

            They just pay dues to their leadership, which dues don’t contribute to the economy either, and vote for Obama, or democrats… Bad unions… bad, bad, very bad… Silly me…

          • John Dough

            Wow. Somebody hasn’t has their bran today….

            Look, demitri, it’s no secret that public employee unions are in the pockets of DEMOCRAT politicians…and visa versa. Union dues buy political favoritism from DEMOCRATS and DEMOCRATS throw public money at unions without conscience and the public money feeds the union dues and the circle jerk goes on and on.

            If you aren’t fully aware of this, you have your head in the sand.

            And, what the unions contribute to the economy is nothing more than what would have been contributed to the economy by working stiffs had the DEMOCRATS not stolen the taxes from their pockets.

          • Anonymous

            So the bailout of the auto industry was to secure unions votes more than saving an industry that millions of people across the political spectrum rely on daily for a paycheck? If that is the case, I’d say your politics is more about poisoned cynicism than rational thought. But, hey, its politics all the time about everything with the gop. If One Party rule is the goal… a “permanent majority…” I guess that’s what it takes… Cynicism and twisted thinking…

          • Anonymous

            Who’s to say the individual states couldn’t have “saved” those jobs like they did in many of the states with Republican Governors? 

          • Joe

            All of the jobs you mentioned are Gov’t jobs, I just pay for them from the other side of my wallet (State/Property versus Fed’l Income taxes)…

          • Anonymous

            Completely irrelevant, Joe, in the context of the deepest economic slowdown since the Great Depression. The point was to get money into the hands of people who would spend it quickly, and stem further lack of demand, further slowing of economic movement, the very real possibility of a full blown depression. This was an EXCELLENT, EFFICIENT manner is which to deliver  stimulus to the economy because most middle class people, and in spite of these being “govt” jobs, they are in fact middle class jobs, would turn around and spend that money to live, as opposed to saving it, investing it, in effect taking its power out of the economy when it was needed most.

            If you are more concerned about YOUR wallet, rather than OUR society in regard to what needed to be done to prevent a deeper crisis, I’d say your priorities might be off. I don’t want to belittle your concern about how much you pay in taxes, but not knowing where you fall on the income scale there is no way of knowing just what exactly your complaint is.

            If you are middle class, there is good reason to complain about your taxes in the face of the tax breaks, loopholes, shelters that the wealthy avail themselves of… hurting you in the process. What they don’t pay, you make up for… That gets back to my original reply about the wealthy and corporations capturing govt for their own benefit.

            If you are of the 1% and avail yourself of these preferential benefits, you have little to complain about.

            If you want to get into the weeds about the size of govt, and the number of govt jobs historically, glad to have that debate. It is clear from lots of data that right now as a percentage of TOTAL jobs, govt employment is at about the same level, slightly higher, then it was in the 1960’s. Most of the increase is in education… teachers…

            http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/apr/06/steve-moore/steve-moore-says-ratio-people-working-government-m/

            Here are some numbers on Federal employment since 1960, and includes the large TEMPORARY bumps in federal employment when census are done:

            http://www.opm.gov/feddata/HistoricalTables/TotalGovernmentSince1962.asp

          • Joe

            To answer your question I fall squarely in the middle class and I have no kids in school. I pay income, sales, excise,use, and property tax. I am tired of supporting the “Society” that you propose, and I don’t believe that the 1% you speak of could do it either. We need a smaller “Gov’t”…we have not had a good choice in the election cycles for years and this year is no different…

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTDYHAyWR7A

  • Anonymous

    Take that, R & R & Rs!  Try to logically and factually make this a campaign issue in your favor.

    • Anonymous

       NO PROBLEM!

      • Anonymous

        Really?  Note my qualifications on your efforts.

      • Anonymous

        Well, god, have at it…

  • Joe

    If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there’d be a shortage of sand. Milton Friedman Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/m/milton_friedman.html#lAOUhFo0U7TFer1V.99

    • Anonymous

      Yeah, if Milt had anything to do with it, it would all be on the 1%-er’s private beaches… You see, Joe, that’s how it works… the wealthy and corporations capture government, and the wealth of the nation gets transferred to them.

      • Joe

        I like your analogy :-) but I still see the Gov’t (the biggest Monopoly that exists today) as the major problem they will always create a deadweight loss the more they become involved…

  • Anonymous

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  • tag

    Flooding the country with money will always make the economy better in the short term. However, it automatically raises the price of everything in the US and does not provide a strategy for economic prosperity in the long term. 

    Conservatives did not and do not oppose all stimulus – only those that were corrupt or incompetent – like Solyndra. Had the Democrats actually used the money to rebuild our infrastructure instead of giving it away to political supporters, we would not be having this debate. Just like global warming and Obamacare, liberals do not understand the opposing view and this is why Romney and Ryan will be elected. 

    • Anonymous

      What did so-called “conservatives” say about the billions of $$$$ in NO-BID contracts to Cheney’s Haliburton during the Iraq War?

      You know – the war based on Bush/Cheney lies?

      The trillion dollar war they funded with debt they sold to China?

      Not a peep.

      Yessah

    • Anonymous

      “…it automatically raises the price of everything in the US…” No, it doesn’t. But I won’t fault you for getting the rudiments of how inflation works… Your fault is in not understanding that in a liquidity trap even with large infusions of money into the economy,  certain fundamentals don’t respond well. That is why it has been very questionable as to whether successive rounds of “quantitative easing” would be a monetary policy that actually spurs growth. It’s effects have been marginal.

      Inflation is at an historically low level. It would actually help our economy if the Fed targeted a slightly higher rate of inflation from the current 1.5% or so. Inflation normally trends at about 4%. 

      • Joe

        The weakness in the inflation numbers you cited is the use of CPI which does not take into account the price of food and gas (because they are too volatile). We are printing way too many dollars that will soon be chasing too few goods and services… inflation will happen if we keep the printing pressses going. What is the Federal Reserves credit line anyway?

  • Anonymous

    Great analysis

    Bush and the GOP threw the country into the privy.

    Obama and the Democratic Party – once again – saved the nation from disaster.

    Rmoney/Paul = Bush/Cheney

    No thanks

    Yessah

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