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  • Anonymous

    I’m thinking Toga Party before they take it down. 

  • Anonymous

    Get rid of that eyesore…..and what a liability????? Kids/people do get out onto that POS…..heck, it only took the state 3 MILLION DOLLARS to figure out it was unsafe, and non-repairable…what a waste, what an eyesore…..

    • ChuckGG

      It its day, though, it was a beautiful bridge and design elements of it were incorporated into the Golden Gate bridge.  It is a classic but the days of the metal structure bridge have gone by.

      Here’s a bit on the design: 

      The Waldo-Hancock was also the first bridge to make use of the Vierendeel truss
      in its two towers, giving it an effect that Steinman called “artistic,
      emphasizing horizontal and vertical lines.” This attractive and
      effective truss design was later used in a number of important bridges,
      including the Triborough Bridge and Golden Gate Bridge.[1]

      I always thought it was a beautiful structure.  Frankly, the new bridge looks okay from a distance but once on it, I’m not all that impressed.  The single section of cables makes the bridge look somewhat “unfinished” or unbalanced to me.  I feel like I am riding beside the bridge and not on it.  I guess I would rather have cables on both sides as in the case of Zakim Bunker Hill Bridge in Boston.  http://www.leonardpzakimbunkerhillbridge.org/

      Personal choice, I suppose.  I will say I am not the only person who has commented on the new bridge being a bit “creepy” while crossing it.

      • Anonymous

        It sure is dark when you are driving across that new bridge when they don’t have the lights on, especially during very foggy or snowy nights. That is when I find it a bit creepy.

      • Thanks for that bit of info bud. Its always nice to know about things of historical importance that are a part or were a part of our beloved state. And, I do agree about the aesthetics of it. Rather pleasing to look at. The newer bridge is just as barren and lifeless as the majority of the large cities I have visited. That monochromatic color and smooth design really helps to kill any sense of personality it might otherwise have. Newer, while “better”, is not always better. We are living in a drab world, now, it seems. No room for expression through architecture, anymore.

        • ChuckGG

          I was going to say it is as bland as some of the projects I’ve seen in Communist countries – People’s Bridge #57-B.

          But, actually, I’ve seen more style there.  There doesn’t seem to be the hand-craftsmanship in anything these days.  Here in DC, we have a lot of the old bridges and such were a lot of style was put into them.  However, when something gets replaced, the fancy little details are usually molded out of cement or plastic and applied over the super-structure just to allow it to photograph well.

          Have you ever been to Vegas?  Same idea.  It mostly is a stage set or Disneyland for adults.  It looks okay but up close,  the carved lion in the fountain is molded plastic with that thin swimming-pool stainless-steel underneath and it smells like chlorine.

          Probably a cost factor but clearly no style.

  • Im thinking,why didnt they leave the job in Maine….for only a couple 100,000….they could have keep the work here…..Who needs the work anymore than the people of Maine?….Thanks again for nothing!

    • But but but…Cianbro is that EVIL company that wants to build the E/W highway!

      • Anonymous

        I know, right?  Can you imagine if Cianbro won the bid?  All the haters would be on here saying “the fix” was in.  They should have gone with Cianbro anyway.  Dummies.

      • Anonymous

        you F  heads..  Cianbro is an employee owned business..   research it…

        • Gee, thanks bright boy.  Nothing escapes you…except sarcasm.

      • Anonymous

         Hopefully, the E-W highway proposition will receive full and open review.  If the project requires the use of eminent domain to complete the path, the project should be State owned and bonded with governance in State hands and the revenue accruing to the State’s treasury.

        The cost of money would be less for the State and the “profit” from operation could be directed toward economic development, not exported beyond the Kittery Bridge.

        Yes, this would be “State Capitalism”, but so would be a Public-Private Partnership under 23 MRSA 4251. 

        Cianbro isn’t, per se, evil.  Its coy behavior IS.  Let them put all the cards on the table — face up.

    •  Trust me you think Maine has it bad the economy is stabilized there by comparison The state of California is screwed 1000 different ways

      • Anonymous

        and maine is headed in the same direction if we keep giving our money to out of state companies with out of state employees instead of keeping the $5.35million here within our beautiful state.

        • Who is to say that they labor will be from Mass?

          Big Contruction Companies quite often hire from a pool of people from across the country anyway!

          Walk into any papermill during one of their outages and listen to the different dialects!

          • I agree. You cuold probably knock on one trailer doors ann ask for a job app.

    • Anonymous

      Maybe Cianbro knows something we don’t and would be over extended to take on another big project while building the Trans Canada Highway

      • Anonymous

        LOL

      • Anonymous

         This would not be all that large a project for Cianbro.

        Occam’s Razor: Most often, the simplest solution is most likely to be correct.

        The simplest solution is that Cianbro was outbid.

    • Anonymous

       Cannot restrict bidding to in-state contractors.  It would be against the law.  It would also be bad policy.  What if Reed&Reed, CPM Constructors, or Cianbro were not allowed to bid in NH or MA?

      There is also undoubtedly a federal share in the funding.

      • honey777

        Maine jobs should go to Maine people.  Period.

        • Anonymous

          We are all Americans.  Maine needs the rest of the country, and I would say we need it far more than the country needs us.

  • Anonymous

    That is a ridiculous price tag for the demolition, Lepage should be up in arms, wait thats his specialty, salvage.

    • Anonymous

      Perhaps taking down a bridge is similar to a divorce. It costs as much to get out as it does to get in….maybe more. 

  • So much fail on all accounts taking the work out of  Maine to tear down a bridge  that they treat like an eyesore when the new one needs a fresh coat of paint…. just glad i get to see the good bridge one when i come home in September

    • Anonymous

      needs a fresh coat of paint? that bridge is made entirely of concrete.  it isn’t painted. 

      • First you can paint concrete second i am implying that it is an eyesore because it is bland.

        • Cant expect aesthetic miracles when working with the two most drab looking materials known to man.

  • Anonymous

    So the wonderful state of Maine is paying a Mass company $5.35 million to remove a bridge, so instead of keeping the money and the work here with Mainers who desperately need jobs and money to survive!! Unreal! and Sad!

    • Anonymous

      Yep…let’s give it to the Massholes…..who we all HATE!!!!!!!

      • Anonymous

        Ridiculous.Masshole is an offensive and unoriginal term for “I am a dumb Maine hillbilly and dont like anyone coming here to try and ‘larn me nutthin'”.

        • I dont get it. Best I just fergit ’bout this lernin stuff and drink me sum bush beer and watch me some nascar! woooooiiiiiieeeeeee!!!!!

    • Anonymous

      Not sad at all. conpare the wage difference between the 2 compainies and you will find S&R treats their employees with respect.

      • Anonymous

        You haven’t got a clue how S&R treats their workers. Why do you hate Maine workers so much?  The only people I know who would be so happy about a Massachusetts company winning out over Maine workers are union people.  Unions would rather see out of state union brothers get a job than to see non-union Mainers get the work.

        • Anonymous

          I dislike unions with a passion, yet they have a place. like all the electrical and plumbing at the new arena or the steal workers there.

  • Anonymous

    The cost of demolition was built into a bond issue a few years ago. While it may not be a bargain it is less than originally budgeted for. It will be interesting to see what actual final cost is. S & R’s original business was demolition so just maybe they are better at it?

    • Anonymous

      Must be a bond  that LeScrooge missed! 

  • Its unfortunate to see such an important historical relic go, and especially at the hands of a company from another state, but, such things must be done. If a Maine company lost the bid, then I suppose we can only blame them. Not the Mass companies fault. Everyone is trying to make a living. An I am rather certian Cianbro does work out of state, so you people shouldn’t be so quick to yell about “foreigners” stealing all the work. Mainers steal peoples work, too. Anyway, at least they are keeping pieces of the bridge and taking proper measures for the falcons and whatnot. Could be worse all around. Coulda left it there to fall into the river, then paid a Asian company to come clean it up and turn it into a load of Honda’s. That make some of you happier?

    • Anonymous

      You are correct; Cianbro does far more work out of state than in Maine, at least in the bridge-building business. 

  • Anonymous

    S&R most likely pays a living wage and don’t exploit their help with threats of unemployment and probably send checks out to their employees when they profit share.

     I heard the State wouldn’t give Cianbro the 300k to study how they were going to dismantle the bridge, thus the 300k more then S&R..  congrats S&R

    • Anonymous

      You sound like a Massachusetts resident, the way you root for the out of state workers over Maine workers.

      • Anonymous

        out of State company, not out of state workers..

        Peter would probably sub it out to a out of state company anyway. they do it all the time. Who do you think tore down the old Eastern fine paper company? an out of state company did. Peter subcontracts his work out to out of state compaines all the time.
        Or he might wait and sell it to the Canadian government  along with his proposed highway.

  • Anonymous

       You can crank those suspention cable’s around really tight and hang a steel rod next to them. When the wind blows you’ll have a wind chime the size of a sympony orchestra. It’s the only way to get deep bass tones in a wind chime. When there’s no wind musicians can bang out tunes on them with a bat. No need for waterfront concerts. A waste of money to tear it down. 

  • Anonymous

    Guess Cianbro was too busy with the Canadian Billionaires and their private road. Putting in a decent bid to demolish a Maine bridge without stealing Mainers land just wasn’t too interesting for them.

  • Anonymous

    The state in their infinate wisdom has awarded the contract to an out of state company over a couple hundred thousand dollars, real smart. Think of the income and corporate tax they would have got from the Maine residents and Cianbro that would have worked on the project, those people from Mass. don’t pay any taxes here. I also wonder if the state even attempted to work out a revenue sharing deal on the income that will be generated by the sale of the scrap metal from the bridge, which will be a significant amount of money.

  • Anonymous

    I know it is rusted, however, is there no salvage from the bridge?  

  • Anonymous

    Cannot restrict the bidding to in-state firms.  It is illegal; undoubtedly there is a federal share in the funding; do you want Maine firms not to be able to bid on a bridge in Portsmouth, NH?

    Do you want a low bid system?  Then you have to play by that rule.

    Salvage: the contractor is undoubtedly factoring the salvage value in.  If not, another contractor would get the work by having a sharper pencil.  Most of you posters tend to think the worst, so why would you think MaineDOT would have a sharper pencil in getting the max value with *both” lowest possible price *and* maximum revenue from sale of the metal?  Either MaineDOT is competent here, or it is not, but you cannot have it both ways.

    On maintenance of the old bridge: A lot has been learned since that bridge was built.  Remember, the Waldo-Hancock is only 50 years newer than some very early suspension bridges, and a lot has been learned about cable design.  The main cables could not be rehabilitated due to the way the individual wires were wrapped helically around/along the main cable axis.  This type of bridge is utterly dependent upon those two main cables – one cannot remove a cable and replace it, at least not economically.  The reason the old bridge lived out its life is not the result of some kind of conspiracy – it is part of the process of learning.  We have longer lasting bridges today, but part of the learning curve was failure, such as Tacoma Narrows I (aka, Galloping Gertie). 

    Some of you folks, in your hatred of the Cianbro Corporation, have passed beyond the outer frontiers of rationality.  You should be advised that there are professionals who can help you, as well as medicines available. And no, I do not know Peter Vigue, not does he know me. 

    Warren Spaulding, PE
    Retired, MaineDOT
    Region Manager, Eastern Region
    Bangor, ME

    • Give me a set of torches,a pickup truck  and 5 years and would have done it for 1 Million!

      LOL

      • Anonymous

        Look at the money you would make in scrap steel. Better make it a 1 ton pickup!

        • Yup!

          1 ton with a dump body 

      • It would take you 5 years to find the bridge. How did it feel to get schooled by a guy named Buddy?

        • Anonymous

           lol, sounds like the name of a golden retriever, doesn’t it?

    • Tell me who in their right mind would not have made the requirement of tearing down the old bridge as part of bid for the building of the New Bridge?

      • Anonymous

         The world isn’t as simple as you would like it to be.  If you will recall, the new bridge needed to be erected rapidly.  That means the mission was to get a new bridge up first. Tearing the old bridge down would be nice, but not critical to the mission.  That job could always be done later.

        Now, a question for you – why don’t you use your redoubtable talents and abilities to go down and take the place of the MaineDOT folks who are, as you say, not in their right minds?

        Of course, you would not be able to hide behind a moniker.

    • honey777

      You’re right, it is illegal to limit bids to in-state companies, but it shouldn’t be.  Your insight is valuable to this issue, however.  Can you explain what you mean by a federal share in the funding?

      • Anonymous

         I’d be happy to explain it.  You pay taxes when you buy motor fuels.  Some goes to the Federal Highway Trust Fund, which was established back in 1956.  The rest goes to the State of Maine Highway Fund.  Both are dedicated funds, meaning, with few exceptions, the money must be spent on transportation.

        Your state funds pay for maintenance – patching, plowing, salt, repairs, etc.

        Many of our highways are eligible for Federal aid.  When capital improvements are done on these highways, there is usually a Federal share and a State share.  The Interstate System is usually funded with a 90% Federal share, while most of the other highways have an 80% Federal share.

        The lower classifications of highways are not eligible for the Federal share.

        Since the Federal share is involved, it would be extremely unfair to limit bids to in-state companies; after all, California and Kansas and Connecticut are paying into that Federal Highway trust Fund.  Besides, if a project, in say, Florida, is being done with that Federal money, some of which comes from Maine, do you want Cianbro to be excluded from bidding?

        • Your comments are some of the most logical, on point and well constructed I have read. Most often people’s comments are abominations. It is rather refreshing. Thank you for taking the time to converse, here. Hopefully more people pay attention to what it is you have to say. Good day to you.

          • Anonymous

            Thank you.  I’ve been in the business a long time. 23 years at MaineDOT, three years at Los Angeles County Road Department before that, and summer work at MaineDOT going back to 1978. Have been consulting part-time the last four years, working with the state transportation agencies in northern New England. Can’t help learning a few things over 34 years!

            I wish more people would do some basic education before just venting through these forums. They could be good sources of dialogue, but too often are places where trolls amuse themselves.

  • Sign me up to work on the bridge.I would love to work that high off the ground.

    • Anonymous

      Call or look S&R up on the wed. I bet they need Mainers to work the project and they most likely pay way better then any Maine contractor

  • Anonymous

    Put wheels on the bridge and tow it up North, gotta be a river wide enough on the East West, wow a prefab bridge, complete with birds nest.  Maybe use the steel to build another Battle Ship Maine.

  • Anonymous

    I think Cianbro thought they had it in the bag,  but they got beat out, bet their eyeballs came right out and hit the glasses lens when the bid was read.

    • Anonymous

       Whatever, union man.

  • Anonymous

    Maybe LeFart should send down the Maine National Guard, to guard the bridge, Cianbro might carry it away in the night.

  • Lord Whiteman

    S&R has their own push boats. I’m guessing they feel they can get their floating work platforms up to Maine cheaply.
      Or they could be counting on the Lepage administration to look the other way while they cut corners with all that lead paint.
      Since they are from out of state they may not care about their reputation with the muckymucks down stream.

  • Anonymous

    what dont you know about. BS you should be on with george hale you make a good pair. blow hards!

    • Anonymous

       I see the troll has come out from under the two bridges.

      You’d have a better life if you got more oxygen.  There are professionals who can help you.

    • Anonymous

      George Hale admits being liberal. Ric Tyler is scared to admit being a liberal. Ask him on the show and he will skirt the issue and say he argues with liberals.. Ric never, ever admitted on his show he was a republican.

  • Anonymous

    The financially strapped State of Maine is going to pay a low-out-of-state bidder $5.3 million dollars to dispose of an unusable bridge. At the same time we are paying to incarcerate thieves stealing scrap metals.  I know it’s basic math, and I according to the Governor, I am an unfortunate grad from a Maine college, but how does this add up to fiscal responsibility??  Or should I say… sentence the thieving mothers’ sons to work, ripping the waste pile down, and allow the state to sell the scrap for the cost of the project. There may even be a little profit in the formula.

  • Anonymous

    Let the folks looking for scrap metal have a go at at it first. Then let the companies re-bid for what’s left over. Lol. Not that it would work, just a funny idea to let tax payers get some money back out of it and also saving the state a few million.

  • Anonymous

    What’s the hurry all about?  Is it in danger of falling over?  If so, think of the money that would save on TNT.  Why do we need to spend 5.35 million now when we are cutting food stamps, cutting medicaid, Mainecare to the poor and Education? We are doing this now because what?  its an eyesore?  So who says it is?  I guess i just dont get the hurry in it all.

    • Take it down now , or it will collapse in the river later, and cost 25 million to clean up, not to mention the waterway would be shut down.

    • Anonymous

      MaineDOT is either being fined, or will be fined, if they do not take it down.  The Army Corps of Engineers has a dog in the fight because the river is navigable.

      The biggest reason it hasn’t been taken down is lack of available funding.

      Spending the $5 million in the other areas is a non-starter, as the money is coming from the Federal Highway Trust Fund and from the state Highway Fund – both are dedicated revenue sources.  The money could not be spent as you suggest.

      • Anonymous

        Nothing in the river is coming out. The cement is Staying. already decided.

        • Anonymous

          There are other potential obstructions than piers which will remain in the river.  Falling concrete is one issue, and more so as the old bridge ages with no maintenance.  The steel will also deteriorate, and guess what? Gravity wins.  Want a piece of that falling on a boater’s head?  There is also the air draft (clearance between water and bottom of bridge deck) – the old bridge is lower.

          Plus, the Corps wants it out, and they have the say.

  • PaulNotBunyan

    If excluding outsiders was allowed a lot of Maine construction workers would not have worked on things like the big dig in Boston or NYC skyscrapers. Anyway, general contractors are out to make a profit. Hiring local workers and subcontractors usually helps in that regard. I don’t think the workers care much what state the employer is headquartered in.

    • Anonymous

      The Big Dig and all NYC work is ALL Unionized. Forget it Cianbro, which is just a scab company.

  • Anonymous

    Heres an Idea.spray it with that stuff they put on the road in the winter,the ‘slurry’ and put a huge device under it to ‘collect” it  as it melts the bridge to nothing,like everyones undercarriage and brake drums are.Maybe they could use it all up and not get any more…

    • Anonymous

      Good one! LOL

  • Anonymous

    They should have just put a sign on it that said “free for the taking”. The scrappers would have had it gone in a week or two. I can just see the parade of dilapidated pick-ups headed up Route 15 now! lol. 

    • Anonymous

      Your right the metal thieves would clean up that bridge to the water line in no time, free of charge. Just have to demolish the concrete supports.

      • Anonymous

        Tell said thieves that the concrete supports are full of rebar! lol. Problem solved.

      • Anonymous

        The concrete supports are staying. 

  • Anonymous

    Nuke it…..

  • Anonymous

    I’m just glad they spent 85 million on a bridge that doesn’t even look like it belongs in this area. Some of that money should have gone into Bucksport to make it a place people want to stop. But is there really anything that makes sense about the way this state does things?

    • Anonymous

       I can only assume that you think $85 million is an exorbitant price for a bridge that spans a river that wide and that deep.  I’m wondering what you think it should have cost, and if you are up on the cost of comparable bridges?

      I don’t think $85 million is that bad.  After a bit of research, you won’t find it so bad, either.

      • Anonymous

        It’s not so much the cost of the bridge it’s the fact that it looks like it belongs in nyc
        Sent from my iPod

        • Anonymous

          It had to be a design that would span the Penobscot with no piers in the water.  Would have had to be some sort of arch (like the Bayonne Bridge), or a cantilever structure (Tappan Zee Bridge), suspension bridge (Verrazano Narrows or many others in NYC), or a cable-stayed.  

          Not sure what you’d have in mind.

  • Anonymous

    I’m glad we spent 85 million on a bridge that looks like it belongs in a big city. Oh by the way Bucksport isn’t a big city. It’s a dump that could be a prosperous area people want to stop at, and not drive through to Acadia without a second look. But at least we have a fancy bridge. We can all stand by some dump on main street and say ooooohhh ahhhhhh nice bridge.

    • Anonymous

      Stop in Bucksport for what. To inhale and smell  that putrid pollution the mill spews out all day and night. Or smell the mud flat at low tide. No thanks I like my healthy lungs. Ill go to Bar Harbor instead with the clean Ocean Breezes.

      • Dont forget about the exhaust from all the fishing/tourist vessels and cars, down there in the Harbor. Probably more damaging to your health then the smell of mud. Might want to consider that, Mr. Clean.

    • Anonymous

      Go talk to the Bucksport union mill workers. they are not nice people, self absorbed to say the least.. Money can’t fix bucksport  

  • Anonymous

    The State should set up a booth at the scenic turnout and sell “Official Waldo-Hancock Bridge Commemorative Scrap” as they cut it up. Think of the savings that could be realized in not having to transport it.

  • Anonymous

    Might want to let Fort Knox and the rest of them know….since they said nothing would start til Novermber 1st…..when I was there a little over a month ago….dont need them tearing down the bridge and having something bad happen! 

  • Anonymous

    Cianbro hired an out of state company to demolish the old Eastern Fine Paper Company in Brewer for them. I don’t think Peter was going out there with a sledge hammer and take down the bridge.
    He most likely would have Sub the same company to take down the bridge. an out of state company. Maybe S&R will hire some Maine Union labor and pay more then Cianbro $12.50 per hr.

    Hell you couldn’t pay your rent, car and food on some of their wages

  • Everything about the unnecessary replacement of this bridge has annoyed me.  Now we are giving the demolition job and the scrap metal to an out-of-Staet firm. 

    Great job government.

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