Comments for: Wednesday, Aug. 8, 2012: Cross Insurance Center, taxes and death panels

Posted Aug. 07, 2012, at 12:03 p.m.

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  • kcjonez

    Tony Kulik–Great letter.  Most Americans agree that the wealthiest among us need to be more responsible in carrying our tax burden.  Different polls give different twists but they all show that most of us understand how much wealth the rich have extracted from us and how devious they are in avoiding paying back the system that assisted them in acquiring their wealth.  

    • Anonymous

      “More responsible”?
      What makes you think that a successful person is more responsible for your welfare than you are?
      To listen to the liberals, it sounds like every single successful person with more ambition than they have is a low life crook. How has a successful person “extracted” your wealth? Did you give them access to your checking account? Do you even pay any income taxes?

      • Anonymous

        And why do assume that everyone in need is a “low life crook”?

      • Steve Anderson

        We liberals believe that the wealthy have gotten wealthy at the expense of the rest of us because … well, because they have. 

        Are you really unaware of how utterly corrupt Wall Street and corporate executives are?

        When they’re caught breaking the law to make their millions they might get slapped with a small fine and spend a few months in jail. Even when they’re not doing anything illegal, they’re running companies into the ground and shipping American jobs overseas and getting enormous bonus for it.

        The things they do are often just as reprehensible and devious as anything Bernie Madoff did, only they’re rarely held accountable, even when they’re caught.

    • Anonymous

      How much is a fare share? Why should the rich pay a higher rate?Why shouldn’t all Americans pay the same amount? If you people are talking fairness,why should the wealthy pay more so others can sit home and not work?This does not seem fair to me.Until there is a flat tax rate for all Americans,fairness seems to be only a one sided deal.
       Self-employed,hard working and I’m a struggling American and proud of it.When I die,I will never feel that I owe anyone anything.

      • pbmann

        Flat tax rates are unfair.  To the uniformed it sounds fine but taxing someone making $25,000 a year the same as someone making $25 million a year does not work. 

        No civilized country uses the Flat Tax model because oif it’s inherent unfairness.

        • Anonymous

           Why is it unfair?Simple question,why should someone or large business whom risked everything be taxed more?America gives every person the chance to become wealthy,unlike other countries that own everything we are free to pursue our goals.You are held back only by your own lack of ambitions.

          • pbmann

            A large business or a rich person uses more of the infrastructure and government services than a poor person does.  For example 16% of air traffic control is used to control private jets while they pay less than 10% of the cost of air traffic control and constitute less than 10% of the number of planes.

            Big business uses the government to hold back innovation by small entrepeneurs all the time, most of the regulations in this country are written by big business to give them an advantage over small business.

            I think most European citizens would be surprised to know that their government owns everything and that they are being held back. 

            And as far as the only thing holding back American’s from realizing their dreams is their lack of ambition?  It would probably surprise you to know that the US is ranked 32nd in the world in upward mobility, tied with Singapore (a dictatorship).

          • Anonymous

            Thank you.

      • Anonymous

        We don’t single people out to pay higher rates. We all pay the same rates. The rates get higher on money earned above tiers. The singling out happens with preferential credits/loopholes/etc.

  • Anonymous

    I’m curious to know what we will do for revenue for the other 358 days a year when taxes are raised on the 1%.  It has been shown that the amount of revenue raised by levying the “extra little bit” on the 1% to pay their fair share will only pay for 8 days of the tax year.  When Angus King was Governor, he took over with a $350 million surplus and turned it into a $1 billon deficit when he left in 2002.  That is when all the mills and manufacturing left the state because Baldacci had no choice but to raise taxes.  We became the highest taxed state in the Union.   Angus King is just another tax and spend Liberal in sheep’s clothing (Independent).  Don’t let this happen again.  Make Maine RED and keep her Green.  It will also help shut down the Wind Scam.

  • Anonymous

    Good job, Mr. Trisch. You sure managed to fit a lot of right wing garbage talking points into such a short letter.

    • Anonymous

      WOW! This guy has to be be ready to OD on tea. He has to be a Faux News fan.

    • Anonymous

       Do you recall a movement in Portland last year that wanted to get non-citizens the “right to vote”?   Its not that much of a stretch to illegal immigrants.

      http://www.pressherald.com/news/petition-to-allow-non-citizen-voting-rights-gets-under-way_2010-03-23.html

      • Anonymous

        How compelling, the slippery slope argument.

        A group of people in Portland wanting non-citizens to have the right to vote in local elections only is a HUGE stretch from Obama wanting illegal immigrants and the dead to vote. Come on, that is such a ridiculous assertion to make.

        Trisch’s letter is full of blatant lies and misinformation. For example, I guess Trisch missed the part where the Fast and Furious findings were revealed. The reality of the situation was no where near the wild conspiracy theories that were being thrown out there. That isn’t Trisch’s fault though, Fox News didn’t spend too much time on the story after the less exciting truth was revealed.

        I have no problem with people having differing opinions than me, but jeeze, please have some integrity about it. There are enough real things in this world to complain about. I don’t understand why people spend so much time manufacturing additional things to be upset about.

      • Anonymous

        Watch how you stretch.  You could pull something.  Like credibility …

      • Anonymous

          So a legal effort to allow legal resident aliens to vote in local elections means that the supporters are also trucking illegal immigrants to the polls to vote in state and federal elections? 
          Since, per Wikipedia, 9 of the 13 original states allowed resident aliens to vote at the time of the Declaration and 12 of the 13 original states (excluding only Georgia) allowed resident aliens to vote by 1792, does this mean that the Founders were trucking illegal aliens to the polls?
          What is it about fighting taxation without representation that you find offensive?  Wasn’t that the rallying cry for the original Boston Tea Party?  Your modern tea party has changed the motto slightly to “No taxation for us Republicans and no representation for you Democrats.”

  • Anonymous

      Mr. Trisch, how were these Democratic buses that you imagine going “to the poles” able to reach the North Pole and the South Pole in the absence of any highways or bridges?  
      Be thankful that there is no longer a literacy test for voting; were there such a test, you and a horde of other right-wingers would not be able to vote.
      I don’t want to disturb your fantasy life, but the Bush administration looked for evidence of voter fraud for six years and found none.  Those who go to the polls are eligible to vote.

  • Anonymous

    Mr. Kulik:  I agree with your assessment, but please don’t be like so many on the Left who speak as if those higher taxes were the reason for the thriving economy. 

    Mr. Bien: “It would seem that those who support these cuts are the real death panel.”  That’s actually what the Death Panel people were trying to say.

    • Anonymous

      Actually when you are critically ill and it it comes time to talk with your doctor and your family about what actions you want or don’t want taken to keep you alive when the end is near this got turned into the Death Panel lie by Republicans who convinced people that under Obama Care that decision would be made by the government and not you. 

      • Anonymous

        You’re right.  I wasn’t saying that the argument was accurate…it’s just what they were saying.

  • Anonymous

    Tony Kulik – Nothing is stopping you from voluntarily raising your own taxes. So, write that big check and send it in to the IRS. They’ll appreciate your donation. 

    Gene Trisch – You hit that one out of the park. Now the ultra-left-wing-hate-commenters will drool on their keyboards as they blast you for telling the truth. They can’t seem to handle the truth, don’t you know.

    • Anonymous

      Again I ask, where is the proof that there is voter fraud? Please show us the source of your information about the bus loads of illegal immigrants voting in US elections.

      • pbmann

        You forgot the dead people voting, too.

        • Anonymous

          They must be invisible ghosts sneaking into the polling stations and writing in invisible ink.

        • Anonymous

          Yeah, I agree with you. How many times did that determine the outcome of an election? What is the percentage of dead people voting? Seems like a get them off the rolls problem for the election clerks issue. You know….. prevention measures.

          • pbmann

            There is already a mechanism for removing voters from the polls, whether they moved or died.  It works quite well but is not 100% effective, nothing is 100% effective.

            The Republican’s were not able to find any evidence of widespread voter fraud, less than 100 cases prosecuted under the Bush Administration even tho they spend 6 years trying to find evidence.

            Why are Republican’s willing to disenfranchise hundreds of thousands, maybe millions, of voters to stop the occasional voter who commits fraud, of which most are just cases of a voter voting when/where they thought were supposed to vote?

          • Anonymous

             That is a question I ask a lot about questionable initiatives undertaken as quests by unquestionable Republicans. Now many Republicans I talk to are asking the same questions. Some of them buy the party line without question but more and more they are thinking about the larger implications and requesting a different direction for their party.

      • Anonymous

        No rules = no fraud. However, that doesn’t mean that people weren’t voting more than once in different precincts, using fake names and/or addresses, or breaking ethical rules in other ways in order to cheat the system. That aside, why is it that the left are so against making a couple of rules to try and keep the unethical cheaters from scamming the system? 

        • Anonymous

           The Republican way, oppress everyone you can, then scream, MOM he’s looking at me!

          • Anonymous

            You really need to get out more. You haven’t a clue about Republicans.

          • Anonymous

             EJ I can read.

          • Anonymous

            Then it must be that you’re reading the wrong material. But, if you read the BDN all the time, then I understand.

          • Anonymous

            No, that’s you. You hate reality. You’ll dig and dig and give credence to the most unreliable sources, but then deny the facts that are directly in front of you because you don’t like them. That’s ridiculous. 

          • Anonymous

             EJ I’m sorry that you think, I’m stupid women. I read much more then the BDN, I also read other papers and news sites. Where, I tend to learn the most about what people in this country think is the comment sections of each news site, it’s tells me a lot and is why a made the statement.

          • Anonymous

            I never even inferred that you were stupid. I did infer that you need to expand your research on the Republican Party. But, you’re not the only one with a left wing bias against Republicans, and Conservatives in particular. It has nothing to do with being stupid, and everything to do with being duped by the mainstream media. And that include the BDN.

          • Anonymous

             Unlike you EJ, I talk to people, and get views from them. I grew up in a Republican home, my father is now a Tea Party Republican. I take very few of my view from anyone place.
            I read and listen to both sides. I voted for Collins, Snow, Cohen, and other Republicans.
            Today’s Republican Party, is run by fear and hate, if you can’t see that, I’m sorry.
            I have no problem with Conservatives, I have many friends who are. The problem, I have is with the oppressiveness, of trying to keep others in their place, because of fear for who they are or might be.

          • Anonymous

            First of all, you don’t know who I talk to or where I get my views. I grew up in a Democrat family and was the first in many generations to break out as an Independent. Now I am a Tea Party Republican Conservative, and am very sure of what I believe and know very well what others believe. 

            Secondly, today’s Republican Party is run by elites establishment Republicans like Collins, Snowe, McCain, McConnell, Graham, and many more. Thanks to the Tea Party, a lot of the old dogs have been sent home, and more will be forced to retire in November. The establishment Republicans fear the Tea Party, because we are on a mission to get this country back on track and keep it from become a third world nation. 

            Finally, your perception of Conservatives as oppressive is so wrong. We are inclusive, open, inviting, and Americans at heart. And that’s why the left hates us. So be it.

          • Anonymous

            Posts made in the comment sections of papers & news sites determines what you believe the people in this country think?  Wow.

          • Anonymous

            yes I do believe, that post in the comment sections, give us light into what others think. You just posted what you think of me, I’ve read other post you have written, if this is not how you think, or feel, why are you posting. I also know that not everyone, post their own views, that some are paid to post. Comment sections are a place that the world talks to each other, sharing ideas, and opinions, I have learned a lot about many thing here. You might to if you’d open your mind.

          • Anonymous

            So how is my mind closed because I don’t believe the universe of people posting on comment sections is a microcosm of the people of the country as a whole?  To be honest I haven’t formed an opinion of you,  I only disagree with your conclusion that those posting are representative of the country as a whole.  I don’t believe the comment sections are a place where the world talks to each other.  You are wrong also when you infer that I haven’t learned a lot from comment sections.  Among things I have learned are not to feed the trolls,  some people besides the trolls are not worth responding to, I have learned to research things that I believe to be true before posting (some haven’t been true), my ability to write my opinions has improved (not that I am claiming it is great by any means) and I am sure there are other things I have learned.

          • Anonymous

            Better than Faux News.

        • Anonymous

          Why is it that the right is so afraid of nonexistent cases of fraud that they are willing to disenfranchise millions of legal voters?
          Yet, when it comes to proven cases of banking fraud (Countrywide Financial, for example) the republicans scream when anyone suggests regulating the banks.

        • Anonymous

          If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.

        • Anonymous

          So that’s how Governor LePage and the Tea Party Republicans won in Maine. I demand a new election with international monitors to check the validity of all voters.

        • pbmann

          The Bush Administration spent 6 years and untold millions of dollars to find and prosecute voter fraud.  The result?  Less than 100 convictions from all  over the country.

          Voter fraud is extremely rare and has no effect on any election outcomes.

          Voter suppression (you know, the technique used by the Republicans to try to turn elections), however, is a serious threat to our democracy.

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    • Anonymous

      To build on your baseball analogy, the ultra-conservative attempted  home runs are instead caught by good, middle-of-the road outfielders (the ultra left aren’t need for this one and are still on the bench).  You and other conservatives have strange definitions of “truth”.  Only truth if you say so?

    • Anonymous

      The truth? No. It’s more like the perpetual self-victimizing fringe right that screech about everything, even the facts. They love lies when they make their enemies seem hateful/evil, and they hate the truth when it makes themselves seems hateful/evil. It’s pathetic. You guys have no principles whatsoever. 

      Funny how your “truth” never involves you taking responsibility for your own actions. It’s always someone else’s fault. It’s always someone else’s doing. So childish. Grow up already.

      • Anonymous

        I do believe you meant that comment for the President.

        • Anonymous

          No, I meant it for you. You hate the truth and you hate people different from you. It’s disgusting. It’s so far from what makes America great. You want a theocracy of all people exactly like you. Look and talk like you. If they don’t? That’s fine, just smear them with lies. Like I said, It’s disgusting and it’s unAmerican.

          • Anonymous

            I don’t hate anything or anyone. Not even you.

          • Anonymous

            You can say you don’t hate anyone all you want, but your actions and statements are full of hate. I can say the sky is purple, but it doesn’t make it so. It is what it is. 

          • Anonymous

             pot. kettle. black.

          • Anonymous

            Am I the one running around claiming I don’t hate people, but then creating lies about them? Am I going around campaigning to use the law against people I don’t like? Am I comparing people I don’t like to murders and molesters? 

            No. Don’t say things you can’t back up. 

          • Anonymous

            Good advice. Take it.

          • Anonymous

            Just like how Bush never used his veto pen?

            This “I know you are, but what am I” routine thing is pathetic. Take responsibility for your actions.

          • Anonymous

            I guess I need to ask you why you hate EJParsons so much?

          • Anonymous

            Disagreeing with someone isn’t the same as having disdain for someone.

          • Anonymous

            So in essence you are saying you can disagree with someone without hating them. Good, I agree, let’s remember that next time SSM comes up.

          • Anonymous

            Using the law against people isn’t mere disagreement though. You want to hinder a set of people with the law. That’s not disagreement.

          • Anonymous

            Interesting. Do you feel that any of our laws hinder people?

          • Anonymous

            Yeah, your words are always so loving and accepting of all people. You especially have such loving and kind words about people who look, think or act different from you.

      • Anonymous

        Wow…”responsibility”….”always someone else’s fault”?
        Strange to hear a liberal make a comment about someone taking responsibility for their own actions. Isn’t it someone else’s fault that you didn’t have the ambition to become successful?

        • Anonymous

          Has nothing to do with my comment.

          And yes, it typically is the fringe right that refuses to take responsibility for themselves. EJP was on here lying the other week saying that Bush never used his veto pen and Democrats went wild as result. That was a lie. That was EJP refusing to accept that a Republican can do bad things. Somehow it’s ALWAYS a liberal’s fault for everything. If only there were no liberals around everything would be perfect. 

          • Anonymous

            But I thanked you for point out the fact that Bush did use his veto pen to try and curb the out-of-control spending the Democratically controlled House and Senate were engaged in. You wouldn’t even accept my thanks for setting me straight.

            And I have often said that it is the Progressives and Establishment Republicans that most of the blame goes to. You really need to take the hatred out of your eyes when you read my comments. 

            I do like your last sentence, however. What a wonderful world it would be if everyone could see things with a realistic mindset.

          • Anonymous

            You didn’t thank me. It took 5 back and forths between us for you to finally admit you just made the whole thing up. Something that is typical of you. What’s not typical is you admitting that you made it up or that you don’t have facts to support your claims.

            You claim you don’t hate people, but now you’re saying you’d love it if there were no liberals around? You really think liberals are the root of all the problems in this world? Come on. That IS hateful and it’s clearly false. I don’t know if you’re aware, but it’s that kind of blind hatred for people that you disagree with that led to the shooting in Wisconsin. There is nothing good or kind about hating people who are different from you. There is nothing good or kind about wishing that people who are different from you weren’t around.

          • Anonymous

            Now you’re just getting stupid. And stupidity is hateful.

          • Anonymous

            It’s pretty telling that you don’t have a real response beyond calling me stupid. 

          • Anonymous

            With you, disagreement, with you, that is = hate.  (There, I had to use the “H” word much to my dislike).

          • Anonymous

            From the liberal dictionary:

            Hate: A characteristic of someone that doesn’t agree with the liberal point of view.

            Bigotry: A characteristic of someone that doesn’t agree with the liberal point of view.

            Intolerance: A characteristic of someone that doesn’t agree with the liberal point of view.

            Republican: A characteristic of someone that doesn’t agree with the liberal point of view.

            Conservative: A characteristic of someone that doesn’t agree with the liberal point of view.

             

        • Anonymous

          Who you callin’ a liberal?

    • Anonymous

      Reverend Jim Jones would have loved you and Gene Trisch,you guys would have walked right up and poured your own koolaid.

      • Anonymous

        Another left winger spreading love. But, you’ve got lots of company in these threads.

    • Anonymous

      EJ Once again your response is lacking in substance, just wind.

      • Anonymous

        Enjoy the breeze. Or, you could actually try and prove me wrong. 

        • Guest

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          • Anonymous

            As I said before: No rules = no fraud. But that doesn’t mean that the fraud didn’t exist. 

            There’s nothing wrong with requiring an ID to vote. It disenfranchises no one, and it make the system more honest. But, the libs can’t handle honesty.

        • Anonymous

          I am calling you out so you prove your points to me.

          • Anonymous

            I’m innocent until proven guilty.

    • Anonymous

      I certainly agree with you and Gene Trisch.  Let’s see if “left-wing hate commentators  will drool over this:

      http://news.investors.com/article/608869/201204231915/obama-hiding-obamacare-impact-from-seniors-.htm?p=full

      • Anonymous

        Interesting link. But, the lefties will make up some excuse for Obama’s actions, or call you a hater. That’s all they got.

  • Anonymous

    Tony Kulik, Stev Bien, Tyler Hadynick:  Good letters.
    Gene Trisch;  additional ignoring of the lack of voter fraud and the real motive behind voter ID.  Also bad, irrelevant analogy.

  • Anonymous

    Gene Trisch: you should have added that many of the would-be Democratic voters are from Mars and are being brought to earth to vote for ultra-left-wingers like Pres. Obama. To be sure, some of us recall when Gov. LePage’s principal media consultant was at UMaine and prevented would-be Democratic student voters from boarding buses to vote off-campus and instead managed to restrict student voters to Republicans. Very clever move documented later in the student paper. But then to folks like you the media are all controlled by left-wingers–how about Rupert Murdoch, does he fit the bill?  Your fantasies about evil Dems may satisfy you and EJ Parsons, but they have the fatal flaw of not adhering to the truth on any count–including the UN supposedly gearing up to deprive Americans of the right to bear arms. 

  • Anonymous

    Tony Kulik: expecting our two Senators to vote for tax cuts for the richest Americans is to engage in fantasy. Both voted for every single Bush Admin. tax cuts and for every single Congressional appropriation for the Iraq War. Both voted against the recent Lily Ledbetter law to give women the same pay as men where there were inequities. And both continue to be lauded as “moderates.”

  • Anonymous

    Great letter Gene. You are very insightful. I can add Obama’s hatred of the military, the horrible stimulus and cash for clunkers programs, and investments in energy fiascoes all have put us trillions in debt. Obama is rapidly driving us off the fiscal cliff. Keep him in and we will be a third world country.

    • Anonymous

       we fell off the cliff in 2008, we are still trying to pull ourselves back.

    • Anonymous

      Show proof, besides Faux news, that Obama hates the military. This is just another of hundreds of lies perpetrated by the right wing nuts.

    • Anonymous

      Surely you jest. Insightful? LOL

    • Anonymous

      Funny how most use of the “H” word comes from those ever-lovin’ conservatives.

  • Anonymous

    Trisch speaks the truth and the liberal democrats are still in denial. I can not imagine that anyone is actually happy with the condition our country is in and where the Obama  administration is leading it. The blaming Bush theory must be worn out by now. Obama is taking this country down the road to ruins and the liberals are still defending him, very scary isnt it

    • Anonymous

      Undertaxed under Obama, you need to leave your right wing echo chamber and realize that the consensus forecast is that President Obama will be re-elected with an electoral college margin of 332-206.  Wake up and smell the coffee.

      • Anonymous

        Would bet a paycheck that Obama looses by a landslide, and I have nice paychecks, would be better if Obama would stop spreading my wealth, but I just work a little harder

        • Anonymous

            I was raised by my father not to take advantage of the simple-minded and will therefore decline your wager.  Nate Silver, of FiveThirtyEight.com, who came the closest to predicting the exact result of the 2008 election, rates the chance of a Romney landslide (a popular vote margin of ten points or more) at 1.5%.  Thus, you are offering even odds on an event which the oddsmakers would  rate as a 66:1 longshot.  I will, on or after November 6, 2012, gently remind you of your unwise prediction.
            As President Obama has lowered your taxes, it remains puzzling that you still think he is spreading your wealth.   

          • Anonymous

            His printing of money, spending out of control has boosted inflation to the extent that we all are paying more for everything, I guess it depends on what you refer to as taxes. W e all know you can call it a bill or taxes which ever  makes  it look more presentable   just as they did with the health care!!!!!!!!!!   Good bye Obama   or rest in peace constitution  you choose!!!!

          • Anonymous

              The inflation rate for this year is 1.7%, a figure Reagan, Bush I, and Bush II could only have  dreamed of reaching.
              Your fevered imagination is always good for a laugh for those of us who read your posts. 
               Some posters here believe you are actually a plant by the Obama campaign designed to make all right-wingers look like lunatics.  
              With your current use of exclamation points, I am beginning to believe them.

  • Anonymous

    Mr. Trisch

     The left leaning progressives in this country will not rest until every person is at a level that will leave no one to look up to.

    • Anonymous

       Please, if you think looking up to people with money is laudable then you have taken hook, line, and sinker the bait offered you by manipulative marketers. I look up to people with integrity, honor, and humbleness….. rich or poor. The egomania of current day robber barons sickens me. 

      • Anonymous

        Maybe if you had some ambition, and paid attention to how other people become successful, you could pay taxes too, and do your part to help this country and state out of the hole.

        • Anonymous

          We all pay taxes. You’re lying if you say otherwise.

          • Anonymous

            You said, “We all pay taxes.  You’re lying if you say otherwise”.  
            Very interesting that you said that , woldndeer, because you seem to believe that one person did not, and that would be Romney.

            So which is it?  All, or all but one?

          • Anonymous

            I never said Romney doesn’t pay taxes actually. Even if he doesn’t pay federal income taxes, he still pays other taxes. There is no way to get around all forms of taxation.

          • Anonymous

            except when people say that 50% of Americans do not pay taxes, they laugh at you when you mention your last sentence. 

          • Anonymous

            Actually there are some when you take all their refundable credits (EITC, child credit), food stamps, housing,  rent rebates etc will when these are netted pay no taxes.  One of the reasons given for EITC when it first came about was to cover other taxes such as FICA that they pay.

          • Anonymous

            You’ll bend over backwards, create weird rubrics and claim welfare is a tax rebate or whatever, just in order to say that some poor people don’t pay any taxes. Whatever. Does it make you feel better?

          • Anonymous

            Actually congress has bent over backwards by making the tax code in to the web that it  has become.  They have found they can give money through the tax system instead of other programs and somehow its is not assistance.   As far as feeling better I put no emotion into it.  Just pointing out our politicians have put so many ins and outs in the taxes and programs it’s had to tell what people are receiving or paying.

          • Anonymous

            Funny, because Obama proposed a simplification of the tax code, which got rid of cuts/loopholes/credits/etc. and lowered the overall rates for everyone — yet, Republicans universally opposed it. I wonder why that is. Could it because that the wealthy are the ones who largely benefit from the complicated tax code? I bet you don’t see those making 30,000 a year running to an accountant trying to figure out how to cheat the system. I bet you dont see those making 30,000 a year hiring lobbyist to push their causes. 

          • Anonymous

            Making Work Pay, Education credit, education credit, energy credits, reduction in the FICA payment etc. Obama has created credits loopholes etc.  As a accountant I see many people coming in to make sure they get all the federal and state credits.

          • Anonymous

            I think you’re a liar. Just my opinion. No one with any bit of honesty in them would complain about credits that encourage work and education and yet leave out subsidies for very profitable companies like big oil for example.

          • Anonymous

            You are beginning to sound desperate. Where did I complain about credits? I just pointed them out.  Pointing them out doesn’t make one for or against them.  What specifically have I lied about.   Did not President Obama get these credits and deductions passed?  Making Work Pay didn’t happen? The American Opportunity Tax Credit of $2,500 didn’t happen? The 2% reduction in FICA didn’t happen?  Education deductions are not available? Energy credits didn’t happen? 

          • Anonymous

            LOL, okay, so you’re trying to highlight all the poor that don’t pay taxes and then gloss over the rich that don’t for no reason at all. So pathetic and dishonest. 

          • Anonymous

            No, we don’t all pay taxes. If your thinking sales taxes, and you bought something with your EBT card, it wasn’t your money in the first place.

          • Anonymous

            We all pay taxes. Period.

        • pbmann

          Lots of rich people are rich because they belong to the “lucky sperm club”.  Why should I lookup to them?

        • Guest

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          • Anonymous

            Yes, everyone does have the same opportunity. Everyone gets a free high school education, and everyone is free to get a job and earn their way through college. It doesn’t matter if you’re dirt poor, you still have the same opportunity. That’s where the ambition comes in.

        • Anonymous

           Oh the assumptions we make. I have been very successful, paid my fair share of taxes along the way and continue to do so. What a silly statement to make based on knowing nothing. And, even more empty-headed people agree with you. THAT is what gets us in the hole you talk about. THINK before you spout off or believe what someone else purports to know.

      • Anonymous

        As an older gentleman pointed out back when I was younger and had a few of the same foolish thoughts as you;

        “Money isn’t everything, but it’s awful nice to have when you want to ride the train”.

        • Anonymous

           Couldn’t agree with your older mentor more. We are talking about people to look up to. How you make your money determines that in my mind.

          • Anonymous

            And, what you do with it.

  • Anonymous

    Tony Kulik.  Almost half of Americans pay no federal income tax.  Many of them receive tax credits… they get direct payments from the government.  A government that is insolvent.

    • Anonymous

      Yes, that is because there are that many poor people (which translates into employers that pay less than a living wage):  Taken together, those three factors — incomes ($26,400) that fall below  the standard deduction and personal exemptions; the exemption for most Social Security benefits (poor elderly); and tax benefits aimed at low-income families and children — account for almost 90% of the Americans who pay no federal income tax. http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/Donald-Marron/2011/0728/Why-do-half-of-Americans-pay-no-federal-income-tax . So stop acting like people are somehow not meeting their obligation. I  am a low income wage earner ($3ok+) and I pay taxes every year. I do not get back what is withheld. Not one penny of it.

      • Anonymous

        How is it the employer’s fault? Should there be no minimum wage jobs for unskilled labor? As soon as you turn 18 years old, everyone should step right into a six figure income right? No matter if you spent your education years knocked up or stoned, employers have a responsibility to make you successful.
        Anyone can be successful. There are people right in this state who have little or no education, yet are very successful and would be considered wealthy. One thing that they did have was ambition and a willingness to work.

        • Anonymous

          How much you’re paid isn’t directly correlated to how hard you work or how ambitious you are.  Of course they at times can be tied, but if a guy is worth 100 million and his friend is only worth 1 million, it doesn’t mean he’s 100 times more ambitious and hard working. That’s a pretty ridiculous assertion to make.

    • Anonymous

      And many of those people are actually wealthy individuals using tax schemes to get around paying. 

      • Anonymous

        I’ll bet that when you prepare your taxes, you use every deduction allowed by law, too.   

        • Anonymous

          So what’s the problem then? Why is it fine when a wealthy person pays nothing but suddenly somehow when a working/middle class person does it they’re these leeches on society?

          • Anonymous

            Name at least one wealthy person who pays nothing.   

            Or did you mean  a company such as GE?  It received a $182 Million bailout from Obama, paid no taxes in 2010, and claimed a tax benefit on $3.2 Billion.   Oh, and Obama made the head of GE, his friend, Jeffrey Immelt, Job Czar.

          • Anonymous

            Here you go buddy, about 1500 examples of millionaires and billionaires not paying taxes. http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-soi/09inalcr.pdf

          • Anonymous

            Where in the 200 pages from 2009 is your evidence?   And what is the income and from where was it generated?

          • Anonymous

            Those making over a million (notice I said millionaires and billionaires) and about 1500 of them pay no taxes on it.

            What I find telling about you and others is that you’ll screech and make blanket statements about the working class/poor, but then when you’re confronted with facts that prove you to be wrong, suddenly you’re much more cautious about making claims. You have something against those who are poor and don’t pay taxes, but you’re fine with millionaires and billionaires not paying taxes. That’s hypocrisy.

          • Anonymous

            I have not “screeched”.  I have not made “blanket statements about the working class/poor”.  These are your words, not mine.   I  can speak for myself very well, thank you.  
            You  have not idea what my background is, how my college education was paid, what I do for work, what my income is or what I pay in taxes.  I am educated and know quite well how to tell the difference between fact and opinion – in other words, what is easily proven and what is not.  

          • Anonymous

            I don’t care what your background is, it’s irrelevant.

            My point is that when people parrot that “half this country doesn’t pay taxes” talking point, they don’t realize (or try to gloss over) that a big number in that group of people are those who are very well off.

          • Anonymous

            A big number? Your 1,500 is .002% of those not paying federal income tax.

          • Anonymous

            but how much wealth do they control? I think its a more then .002% of our taxes

          • Anonymous

            Hard to tell.  Those in this group change from year to year and those making over $1 million per year change from year to year.  A person paying no taxes one year could be paying a subtantial amount in other years.  Some people, though not many, reporting $1 million or higher income one year could be bankrupt the next. Some put that wealth up their nose. Those consistantly making a high income build wealth.  Just as those with lesser income build wealth if they spend less than they earn.  I do realize there are those who through no fault of the own do not have the opportunity to build wealth just as there those in the  middle class who could build wealth but don’t have the willpower.

          • Anonymous

            Yeah and if they actually paid the 30% or 35%, how much money would that be? How many 30,000 a year households would they count for? 

          • Anonymous

            Well 90% of the  returns for married and 60% of the total of all  those making between $20,000 and $30,000 pay no income  taxes. They could count for a lot of them.   To put it another way a married couple taking the standard deduction pays $313,000 of income tax and a couple making $30,000 pays $1,100 so that equates to 284 $30,000 households.  If you wish to do it a little differently the average rate for over $1 million in 2009 was 24.4% which equates to 217 households paying $1,100 even though the $1,100 is not the highest amount for $30,000 not the average.

          • Anonymous

            Keep spinning to justify your double standards, I’m sure someone will buy it.

          • Anonymous

            I ask again, what page numbers of the 200 in the report you reference say that “there about 1500 examples of millionaires and billionaires pay no taxes on it.”?  The question is an easy one…what page numbers?   

            Thank you.

          • pbmann

            GE didn’t pay any taxes under Bush.  Don’t act like it was just under Obama that GE doesn’t pay taxes.

            Besides, it is not the President who creates the tax laws, if it was then the richest 2% would be paying more in taxes now.  It is the House’s responsiblility to pass tax law.

          • Anonymous

            That’s right.  Many were deferred.

          • pbmann

            It has been said that one of the reasons Romney won’t release his tax records is that he did not pay any taxes (by using legal tax loopholes) in at least some years in the past 15 years.

          • Anonymous

            Presidential candidates are not required to release tax returns, although it is traditional.  Romney has already released what is usual and customary.  It is time for Harry Reid “…It has been said…” to come forth and prove it.

            It should not be more concern as to what Romney has made as a successful businessman, or has kept, but rather, why are Obama’s college records  sealed?  What could be there which would embarrass him or hurt his image?  In other words, what is in his unreaeased files that  he does not want the American voting public to know?  What is he hiding?

          • Anonymous

            More hypocrisy. Obama has revealed much more than Romney has and somehow you’re managing paint Obama as the bad guy? Get real and have some principles.

          • Anonymous

            I’m no being a hypocrite.  The fact is that Obama has sealed his college records.  Aren’t you even just a little bit curious?   

          • Anonymous

            No, I’m not. I don’t care what he got for grades.

            And yes, it is hypocrisy to demand more and more from one guy and not the other. Obama has released much more than Romney has. It’s hypocrisy to defend Romney in one way “not required” and then bash Obama for not releasing something also isn’t required.

            Have some principles.

          • Anonymous

            It is not his grades that concerns me.   And, you are correct to say that it is hypocrisy to demand more and more from one guy and not the other.
             
            Wishing you peace.

          • Anonymous

            Exactly. So you admit you’re a hypocrite for demanding more from Obama when Romney has yet to even release a fraction of what Obama has. 

          • Anonymous

            If Bush released his grades, he shouldn’t have.  Not a wise move.

          • Anonymous

            Um no, Bush grades only go release because they were leaked. 

          • Anonymous

            Does it really matter if Bush’s grades were leaked or released voluntarily?  I find it disturbing (and I am not alone) that Obama’s college RECORDS, undergrad and graduate, are legally sealed.  Grades are not the issue.  

            Don’t you wonder just a little bit, what Obama does not want voters to know?  Some are calling for Romney to release the rest of his taxes (Gasp!  He really has released some  of them)  only IF Obama releases his college records.  Romney’s college records are known. Stay tuned.

          • Anonymous

            You’re not alone, but you’re among the other fringe hypocrites that will find anything and even make up things to complain about when it comes to Obama. There are so many that still don’t believe the birth certificate he released is real. It’s insane and it’s pure hypocrisy. 

          • Anonymous

            Um… except they are legal seal because of the same law that seals my transcripts.

          • pbmann

            Romnney has not released what is usual and customary.  Obama released his returns back to 2000 and Bush released his back 10 years. 

            Find me one Presidential Nominee who has only released his last two tax returns.  Go ahead and try.

            Romney is campaigning on his business experience (like Bush II did and how successful was that administration?) and his desire to change the tax policy.  Why shouldn’t he show his tax returns if one of his pillars of his campaign is tax reform?

          • Anonymous

            “Find me one Presidential Nominee who has only released his last two tax returns.  Go ahead and try.”

            Easy.  McCain.

          • Anonymous

            How much tax does Romney pay on his Cayman investments?

          • Anonymous

            From The Chicago Tribune:
            Romney’s overseas accounts aren’t exactly “secret” since Reid and everyone else
            knows about them. And despite Reid’s use of such words as “tricks” and
            “exploited,” the use of tax minimization strategies is understandable and, as
            far as anyone knows in Romney’s case, perfectly legal.Tell me, reader,
            when you do your taxes, don’t you or your accountant take all the adjustments,
            deductions, exemptions and write-offs to which you’re entitled in an effort to
            get your taxable income number as low as possible?Of course you do. And
            it’s certainly safe to assume that Romney has done the same over the
            years.And it’s possible, though by no means shameful, that in some of
            those years Romney’s bottom line showed no taxable income.”
            Many people who have investments probably have foreign investments, including the Democratic National Committee Chair.

            http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/dem-chair-invested-swiss-banks-foreign-drug-companies-and-state-bank-india_648350.html

            You are taking issue with…..what?

          • Anonymous

            Don’t know but we do know about his Cayman investments because they were on the tax return that he has released.

          • Anonymous

            How patriotic. The guy that wants to run this country will hide his money overseas so he doesn’t have to pay taxes to this country…the one he purports to love and wants to lead. 

          • Anonymous

            If the disclosure about his overseas investments  is on his tax return how is it hiding his money? I have accounts in the Carribbean because I travel there often. Does that automatically make me hiding something.   I realize Obama’s policy seems to be run against Romney’s sucesss (and ignore his policies) and that is easier but not a word about Romney’s policies such as his tax plans? Show us some proof that he is hiding money overseas.  I am sure much money (not show as political contributions) is currently being spent to investigate this.

          • Anonymous

            Yeah, when you keep your money elsewhere for the purpose of avoiding taxes, that’s hiding it. 

            Has nothing to do with hating success. It has everything to do with having pride and faith in this country. 

          • Anonymous

            Where have I said anything about opposite positions hating success?   Seems you have some angst with me have any connect outside of the country.  I keep accounts, not a lot of money, in a foreign country because that is where my wife is from, we frequently visit and we have property there due to inheritance.  Have fun. Good night.

          • Anonymous

            Oh, lord! Your dishonesty and hypocrisy makes me laugh. Have a good night. I’m glad you’re just the loud vocal minority. Most Americans honor hard work and honesty — not liars and tax dodgers. 

          • Anonymous

            My comments have had nothing to do with hard work and honesty. My comments were about  your claim that many of the people who don’t pay federal income tax are wealthy.  .002% is not many of the people.   If you go back through the Disqus comments on BDN you will find I was one of the first to bring up the fact that those not paying income tax included some making over $1 million.

      • Anonymous

        You later give a number of 1,500. That is many?  Don’t have time to look it up but if my memory serves me we have averaged about 80 million tax units over the last several years who don’t pay income tax.  1,500 is .002% of the total.   I believe the 1,500 is about 1% of those with income over $1 million. 

        • Anonymous

          Regardless of your fuzzy numbers, why is it fine for the wealthy not to pay any federal income taxes, but for the poor/working class, it makes them these leeches on society? 

          • Anonymous

            I never said they were leeches on society.   Just pointing out a very small percentage of the wealthy are not paying taxes each year.  Very likely it is not the same people or tax units each year.   1% of a group or .002% of a total does not represent the whole.

          • Anonymous

            So what’s your point? Why does it matter how small the number is? It’s all the same result. So if you have a problem with one and not the other, I’d say that’s hypocrisy.

          • Anonymous

            Where did I say I had a problem with either?  I am sure I can find problems with individual cases on either side.  I am a tax accountant. Those wanting to stretch the rules come from all incomes.  I do take exception (don’t really consider it a problem) with you catagorizing  the 1500 as many in any way one looks at it.  You know, 50% don”t pay income but “many” (1500)  of those 80 million are wealthy.

          • Anonymous

            I’m saying you and the motives of others are suspect. What do you want out of this? Someone who is making 20,000 maybe 30,000 to pay more in taxes? Fine, take it all. That’s chump change compared to when millionaires and billionaires don’t pay anything. My number refers to those who pay nothing, there are obviously more who pay close to nothing. Romney himself, from what he revealed, pays a lower effective rate than most and he makes millions a year! 

            Screech all you want about the poor. That’s fine. Raise taxes on them and lower it for the wealthy. What good do you think that will do? Let’s concentrate the wealth to the hands of a few even more. Again, what good do you think that will do?

            I don’t care what your credentials are. I think it’s stupid to act like those that make up the majority of this country are somehow the worst part of the country. There is no other reason than that for screeching about income taxes. But yeah, whatever, let’s cut government spending. See how well those wealth few do with no one to enforce and enact the laws that govern this country. 

          • Anonymous

            How is 1% of those with over $1 million income or .002% of those who don’t pay income tax fuzzy?

  • Anonymous

    How come there’s nothing in the Bangor Daily about its failure to pay the quarterly payment towards the Bangor Daily News pension fund?   They’re going to miss the payment of over $400K.

  • Anonymous

    Bravo Tony. You join a growing group of new American Heroes. 

  • Anonymous

    Tyler, I was on the fence about King, though leaning heavily in his direction, until the US Chamber of Commerce (big ALEC player) ad started airing. That pushed me right over. May even contribute a few dollars even though he probably does not need it.

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  • Guest

    That steak just doesn’t taste as good if someone beneath them enjoys one once in a while…………………

  • Anonymous

    I have not “screeched”.  I have not made “blanket statements about the working class/poor”.  These are your words, not mine.   I  can speak for myself very well, thank you.  
    You  have not idea what my background is, how my college education was paid, what I do for work, what my income is or what I pay in taxes.  I am educated and know quite well how to tell the difference between fact and opinion – in other words, what is easily proven and what is not.  

  • Anonymous

    “Although there were other causes as well, the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts, the vast majority of which went to the wealthiest taxpayers, were a major contributor to our federal balance sheet turning from surplus to deficit.”

    The majority of the cuts in 2001 tax  were for the 5% cut from 15% to 10% in the lower portion of the lowest bracket and an increase in the child credit. The vast majority did not go to the wealthy. The majority of the cuts took place in 2003 & 2004.  The burst in the dot.com bubble and 9/11 changed several surplus years into deficits. Income tax receipts went from $925.5 billion in 2003 to $1,533.7 billion in 2007.  A family of four making $40,000 in 2001 paid federal income tax of $1924,  in 2010 they received a check for $2523 for an income tax cut of $4447.   If you believe the tax cuts did so much damage  then why don’t you advocate for the expiration of all the cuts to the 1990s rates and credits?  You income “sometimes” falls into the higher brackets?  Tell us when your taxable income exceeded $250,000  and when you expect that to happen again.  Something tells me it is not going to happen in the near future.

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