Comments for: Extreme downpours in Maine 74 percent more frequent than 65 years ago, study says

Posted July 31, 2012, at 5:58 p.m.
Last modified July 31, 2012, at 6:18 p.m.

PORTLAND | While drought cripples agriculture in the American Midwest, New England has seen an 85 percent increase in extreme downpours over the past six decades — and both troubling weather patterns can be blamed on global warming, a group of scientists, environmental advocates and politicians said Tuesday. Democratic …

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  • Anonymous

    What mechanism was used 65 years ago to measure “Extreme downpours?”  Would they have known it if they saw it?

    • Tyke

      You really think it takes ultra modern equipment to measure rainfall, huh?

      • Anonymous

        It was two simple questions. Apparently you don’t know either.

        • Tyke

          The questions were so ridiculous they hardly merit answers, but here you go:

          Rain Gauges — which have been in use since the 1400’s and are still used today.

          Yes, of course they would. Why on earth wouldn’t they recognize trends and anomalies in a very well understood and thoroughly studied topic? Maine and much of the US was largely farm country back then and rainfall was an extremely critical measure.

        • Anonymous

          And you do?  I’ve lived longer than 65 years and am well aware of the capabilities of weather data over that period.

          • Anonymous

            While I was quite aware of the aware of the fact that we have kept fairly detailed statics temperature highs and lows, rain fall totals etc., I was not aware that anyone 65 years ago knew what a “extreme downpour” was.  To answer your question, “No.”  That’s why I asked. If, in fact, we had people who knew what an “Extreme Downpour” was AND sat around with a rain gauge and a stop watch (As some have suggested) measuring intense rainfall, I was not aware of that.  Hence the questions.

    • Anonymous

      65 years ago we had already set off several A-bombs and were working on the H-Bomb. (1947)

      The instruments may not have been “digital,” or as precise to the hundredth on an inch, but good science is more than having a fancy tool, but knowing how to use the tools you have!

      Observation, rain gauges, stopwatches, that is how one measures extreme downpours.  Good records have been kept for over a century.

    • Stick your hand out the window!\ Stupid!

    • Anonymous

      Good weather records have been available for about a century.

  • Anonymous

    All the alleged effect on global cooling of the 1,800 wind turbines envisioned by NRCM and Angus King for Maine are equal to that accomplished annually by a mere 1% of the Maine Woods. A nightmarish tradeoff for the wholesale destruction of 360 miles of our tourist state’s ridgelines.  

    Google:
    NRCM’s CO2 – Analysis

    PEOPLE ARE ON THE TAKE.

    By the way, the U.S. is leading the world in CO2 reduction. It is due to the increased use of clean natural gas. This happened in spite of organizations like NRCM, not because of them. FACT.

    • Anonymous

      Rubbish. Fracking contributes methane into the atmosphere and methane is 100 times more heat absorbent than CO2. So while we reduce our CO2 emissions we replace it with methane. Our contribution to global warming continues to grow.
       By the way if you want model movement away from fossil fuels, Norway is WAY ahead of us in renewables, generating all of its electricity from renewables, and Germany generates a significant amount from solar.
        

      • Anonymous

        “Although Germany’s promotion of renewable energies is commonly portrayed in the media as setting a “shining example in providing a harvest for the world” (The Guardian 2007), we would instead regard the country’s experience as a cautionary tale of massively expensive environmental and energy policy that is devoid of economic and environmental benefits.”http://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/germany/Germany_Study_-_FINAL.pdf 

        Last month, unnoticed in the UK, Denmark’s giant state-owned power company, Dong Energy, announced that it would abandon future onshore wind farms in the country. “Every time we were building onshore, the public reacts in a negative way and we had a lot of criticism from neighbours,” said a spokesman for the company. “Now we are putting all our efforts into offshore windfarms.”
        http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/denmark/7996606/An-ill-wind-blows-for-Denmarks-green-energy-revolution.html

        In early 2009 the Socialist government of Spain reduced alternative energy subsidies by 30%. Calzada continues: “At that point the whole pyramid collapsed. They are firing thousands of people. BP closed down the two largest solar production plants in Europe. They are firing between 25,000 and 40,000 people….” “What do we do with all this industry that we have been creating with subsidies that now is collapsing? The bubble is too big. We cannot continue pumping enough money. …The President of the Renewable Industry in Spain (wrote a column arguing that) …the only way is finding other countries that will give taxpayers’ money away to our industry to take it and continue maintaining these jobs.” That “other country” is the United States of America.
        http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/02/wind_energys_ghosts_1.html

    • Anonymous

      Wholesale destruction my butt. Wind projects build a few little roads and clearings. Have you ever seen what a large-scale forestry operation looks like? The amount of woods lost to a wind farm is miniscule in comparison.

  • Anonymous

    Let us all “hope” for “change”.  Now go, Chellie, create a congressional delegation to write a bill requiring the weather to gently soak at routine moments.  Hire a government contractor to enforce the changes made by the legislation and be sure to make the fine (not a tax) high enough so the weather may qualify for a federal “green” loan which will then create jobs.

  • Patten_Pete

    These George Soros funded yokels hold a press conference and the BDN regurgitates their press release. But yesterday Mitt Romney announces he wants to end subsidies for wind power (and rightfully so) and the Bangor Daily News issues not a peep. Say goodbye to this industry of charlatans come 2013.

    • Anonymous

      So is he going to end oil subsidies too? Oil gets many many times as much money from the government than wind does.

    • Anonymous

      Guess who’s on the side of reality.  Not Romney, not the Rs.

      • Patten_Pete

        Your future President and Congress. Happy days are on the way again.

  • Anonymous

    well, you had better advance your solar  energy agenda if all we are likely to see is quick and short lived storms.

  • Anonymous

    They come out with this announcement following a rainless July and a winter in which I ran my snowblower exactly once.

    • Tyke

      Yes, of course you are right. Global climate issues are completely controlled and measured by what goes on in your back yard over the course of one year.

      • Anonymous

         Calm down man – I’m just pointing out the irony.

        • Tyke

          You don’t know what irony means, do you?

        • Anonymous

          Didn’t think you were a skeptic or a denialist.

    • Anonymous

      Extreme weather right?  A winter drought in Maine.  Then again, we broke records on the plus side the year before.  Extreme?  You bet.

  • Anonymous

    Vote for pingree. She will bring gentle soaking rains to Maine whenever we ask her to. Thanks chel!

    • Anonymous

      There is an element in the environmental left that wants to undermine the U.S. and topple it from it’s # 1 position of greatness. One way to do this is to try and strangle our energy supply. These enemies of America clamp down on nuclear, discredit new versions of nuclear such as thorium reactors, rip out our hydro, fight importation of inexpensive hydro from Canada, attempt to cease oil drilling everywhere, fight pipelines, turn natural gas drilling into a dirty word, oppose clean coal technologies and as stick the propagandistic label “dirty oil” on tar sands, to the detriment of the U.S.The reality is the U.S. has more recoverable coal than any nation on earth. The country though that produces the most coal is China, producing perhaps three times as much as the U.S. Yet we seldom hear the environmental left attack China. No, for them the root of all evil is the good old USA. Obama himself trumpeted to his lefty friends that he planned to bankrupt coal plants.

      Then, the energy sources that these enemies of America prescribe for us are the totally weak and useless grid-scale wind and solar.  They also help drain the treasury and often transfer U.S. taxpayer funds to places like China who manufacture much of this mature but rotten technology.
      While many in the environmental left are simply true believers and products of the pervasive anti-American indoctrinations within our public school systems and universities, there are also more hard core elements who coopt the dogma drunk into unwitting foot soldiers with the express purpose of weakening this country. 

      What better way than to choke off our energy supply? 

      • Anonymous

        You should seek counseling to try to control your paranoia.

      • Anonymous

        Note that one alleviation method cited was to reduce CO2 emissions at power plants.  Guess who’s fighting that one.  The power industry has been running cheap with underpriced  coal power generation for decades.  The time of reckoning has come.

      • I want what you’re smoking.

  • Anonymous

    ” We need to heed scientists’ warning that these more frequent heavy rainstorms are linked to global warming and do everything we can to reduce carbon emissions.”

    Good idea, here are some suggestions: 1. Ground Air Force 1   2. Make it a law that OUR Politicians can only speak when they are proposing something that will actually benefit the AMERICIAN PUBLIC  (That would really cut down on global warming).   3. ALL elected Officials must buy & use (at their expense) hybrid vehicles.   4. No Politicians can start running for office any sooner then one year before election …………….. these ideas would at least be a start.

    • The vast majority of our electricity comes from coal and the resulting byproduct is CO2.  We’ve know that CO2 is a greenhouse gas for well over a century.  Anything we can do to be less dependent on coal would be a good start in my book.

  • What about 300 years ago when we had heavier rains than now and 200 years before that when we had severe droughts in most of North America.

  • Anonymous

    Make it a law that it will only rain between midnight and 4 am and most everyone would be happy, no matter where you live. If we only lived in a perfect world.

    • Anonymous

      “In Camelot…Camelot …”

  • Anonymous

    In addition to ” gentle soaking rains that come at routine moments throughout the summer”  we need honest, intelligent representation in both Augusta and Washington who actually perform the job they were hired to do.  My bet is on the gentle rain…

  • Anonymous

    I think we should build many huge desalination plants and flood the deserts to cool the earth from the rising ocean waters….
    My morning coffee thought !

  • Anonymous

    Unlike many snarky and misguided comments posted here, good work and good report.

  • Anonymous

    Still trying to sell that old “global warming” scam, necessary to allow government that Mrs Sussman is a big part of, to be able to control us “peons” and “dorks” not smart enough to control our own lives.

    I could smell this rat when I read the headline above the story.

    Chicken Little still lives!

    • Anonymous

      As do too many Oscar Ostriches.

  • Anonymous

    Why did they only go back 65 years, sounds like statistical manuvering to me!

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