Comments for: Bangor woman, 57, hit by car Saturday dies at hospital

Posted July 15, 2012, at 10:42 a.m.
Last modified July 15, 2012, at 2:45 p.m.

BANGOR | A 57-year-old local woman seriously injured early Saturday when she was struck by a car while out on a walk near the highway overpass on Union Street has died, Bangor police Lt. Tim Reid said Sunday morning. The pedestrian was struck about 7:45 a.m. as she attempted …

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  • Anonymous

    “The driver of the car also has not been identified.” 

    BDN, do you mean that the police have not released the driver’s name yet (like they haven’t released the decedent’s name) or that they don’t know who the driver is (i.e., the driver didn’t stop)?

    • Similarly, “…her name will not be releasing…”  The BDN copy editor must take the weekend off (if they even have one).

      • Anonymous

        they obviously don’t

      • Superuser23

        Everyday is the weekend for them

      • Anonymous

         If I had a dollar for every sloppy mistake I saw in the BDN,I wouldn’t have to wait for Powerball.

    • Anonymous

      I would have to assume if the driver didn’t stop than the lead detective wouldn’t say that he’s not anticipating any charges against the driver

      • Anonymous

        I agree, and that’s what I thought before I posted my comment.  Still, I thought the writer could have made it clearer.

    • Brian

      Read the article!!!It states the drivers name hasn’t been released  my guess is because no charges have been filed and probably won’t be most of the time they don’t release a persons name unless they are charged

      • Anonymous

        I read the damned article!  It doesn’t say, as you say, that the driver’s name hasn’t been released.  It says, “The driver of the car also has not been IDENTIFIED.” [emphasis added].

        • Anonymous

          Good God you keep saying you read the article then why all the questions??? They are going to release the names on Monday. Are you stumbling on the meaning of identified? The BDN is the best paper in the state.  Easy for you arm chair critics to take potshots at people actually doing the work.

          • Anonymous

            They’ve updated the article throughout the day. The first version said the driver hasn’t been identified, and that was it. It was during revisions that they gave the age & sex of the driver, and said her name would be released Monday.

            It was after the ORIGINAL version that bandbox commented. At the top of the article they hace the date and time of the original article, then the time of the latest revision. Might be a good idea to get in the habit of glancing at that, then how long ago a comment was posted, before blasting someone. If the two times are close, odds are the info they are asking about wasn’t in the version they read. Just an idea.

          • Anonymous

            As jemileesmom has kindly pointed out, my comments all had to do with an earlier version of this aricle.  That version contained an ambiguity which has been cleared up and eliminated by the revised version.  Because you did not read the original article, you don’t have the slightest idea what I was commenting about and should not, therefore, get your skivies in a knot about what I wrote.  The matter has been cleared up and earlier comments about the driver’s identity and releasing his/her name are moot.

          • Anonymous

             :0)

      • Anonymous

        Stories like this are written in the “inverted pyramid” style. This means the most important information is included at the top so the reader can get the gist of the story in the first few paragraphs. (The style is also meant to make it easier for editors short on space to just cut from the bottom without affecting the reader’s understanding of the story.)

        In other words, editors don’t expect readers to read entire stories.

        Nevertheless, any ambiguities — wherever they occur in the story — need to be cleared up.

        It seems to me that these weekend stories are posted for speed, with no consideration for accuracy or editing. That’s not good. A copy editor needs to see a story before it’s published, regardless of whether it’s for online publication or print. Actually, two copy editors should edit all stories.

    • Anonymous

      Read the article, it clearly states the driver has not been identified which most likely means not found

      • Anonymous

        I thought it was ambiguous and could have been made clearer, and your patronizing answer telling me to read the article doesn’t make it any clearer. 

        • Anonymous

          I apologize that was not for you, it was for a comment removed.  Take care

          • Anonymous

            Ok, I understand and I’m sorry for my snippy response.

          • Anonymous

            Its no problem at all, the article does not make sense to me in some ways, but hey its Bangor daily and there editor team

      • Anonymous

         The driver DID stop and was there talking with police as I drove by!

  • Anonymous

    You hit someone and you don’t stop? What is wrong with people?

    • Anonymous

      No one said the driver didn’t stop.  They just said they haven’t identified them.  And when you translate from BDN language, that just means the police didn’t release the name of the driver yet.

      • Anonymous

        I think you’re probably right.  If the driver had not stopped, I’m sure the police would have said so and treated it as a possible hit and run and told the media, and that the BDN would have reported it that way.

  • Anonymous

    Maine roads are a terrible place to walk.  Many drivers speed up instead of slowing down when they see a pedestrian or biker.  
    There are few shoulders, virtually no sidewalks especially in rural areas.  These conditions combined with distracted drivers allow for some very dangerous roadways for walkers.

    • Anonymous

      According to this site, Maine is ranked 45th deadliest state for pedestrians.  In other words, it’s the 5th safest.  Maybe its a matter of perception.

      http://t4america.org/resources/dangerousbydesign2011/states/?state=me 

    • Anonymous

      Many drivers speed up instead of slowing down when they see a pedestrian or biker.  Maybe in New York

    • Superuser23

      Pedestrians are terrible period, sit in Bangor, drive around it enough and you will see the number of people who are not intelligent enough to push a button, and wait to cross a road. You will see a lot of people just walk right out in front of you without looking regardless if they are in a crosswalk or not.

      • Anonymous

         I agree!  I know cars need to be careful, but I can’t tell you how many times I’ve seen pedestrians just jump out into traffic expecting everyone to come to a screeching halt for them.  There are crosswalks and they are to be used.  I’ve been to other cities and pedestrians don’t act like they own the road – they wait until the light blinks to cross.  This is especially an issue on Broadway, where people would rather attempt to cross 4-5 lanes of traffic instead of walking up half a block to the crosswalk.

        • Superuser23

          Exactly, if you see someone in Bangor yelling at a jaywalker, it might be me, I tend to yell things like “The crosswalk was 3 feet away!” or “Illiterate people shouldn’t cross alone!” Police won’t do anything about the speeding, red light pedestrian ignorance in the city, may as well yell at them when you have to lock your breaks up I don’t see this behavior much in other cities, not to say it happens but compare it to Bangor, as I said before Bangor is basically a free for all city, the law only works when it feels like it.

          • Anonymous

            I would agree with you for the most part but I have seen a couple Bangor cops call people out on crosswalk violations.  Each time a warning and some “education” was given, at least once I was hoping for a ticket but it wasn’t my call.

            That said, with the things that are going on in this city every day and a depleted police force, I’m not surprised that their priorities are not with civil jay walking violations.  

          • Anonymous

             “…”Illiterate people shouldn’t cross alone!” . . . “…when you have to lock your breaks up…”

            I LOL’d.

          • Anonymous

            Ever hear of the law “Pedestrains Have the Right of Way”? It clashes with the law of crosswalks. People in parking lots assume the same laws apply and don’t even bother to look to see if cars are coming. Hannafords in Brewer is really bad. I see adults with kids charging out the door and don’t even look, too often.

          • Anonymous

            That clause has been taken out of context, because the law actually states that pedestrians need to give right-of-way to vehicles when they are not on a marked crosswalk.  The only time they have the right-of-way is when they are on a crosswalk WITHOUT a traffic-control device.  But yah, I’ve seen that too, with angry pedestrians yelling “I have the right of way” when a car driving doesn’t stop for them (not on a crosswalk).

          • Superuser23

            They DON’T have the right of way when they waltz out in front of you in a mark or umarked crosswalk
            They DON’T have the right of way if they can’t be bothered to push a button to safely cross

          • I’ve almost had whiplash because I’ve started to try to drive out of the parking lot of Hannaford at the Airport Mall and people just keep walking right in front of me without even looking. The doors to the store are right up against where I’m trying to drive, and I think maybe one in 10 people actually look up to check for cars.When there’s a bus parked there too, there’s no hope!!!

          • Anonymous

            Quick solution – when entering or exiting a lot, drive along the back side of the lot ratehr than right up against the store.  Not always possible, but definitely so at the Airport Mall.  Not only safer, but a nicer drive as well, without al lthe stress!

      • Anonymous

        While i will agree wholeheartedly about the constant jaywalking that goes on, expecially downtown where so many young people think they can just leisurely walk acrossed the road with Zero crosswalk and everyone has to stop for them, I believe that those crossing Lights are absolutely USELESS.  They are not nearly long enough and often only allow for one type of traffic to be stopped when others will still make right turns without even looking regardless of if the light is red and the crossing sign is lit.  I have seen in downtown around the circle and many times on broadway…Its very scary out there.

        • Superuser23

          That is because the city is too busy giving preference to traffic flow, the streets and their length, the number of lights in that area alone would cause some snarls I am sure if Bangor kept the pedestrian signals on longer, I agree they are not long enough downtown or in most areas. Engineering could work better to actually coordinate the signals all around to make the crossing a little bit longer, I seen people on their motorized wheel chairs barley get off the curb and not a quarter of the way through the crosswalk and the signal is already changing.

      • Anonymous

        Cars must stop for people in crosswalks. it’s a law. Has been for more than 10 years. There’s quite a few around Bangor that are not at traffic lights. There are signs all over that say that. When you get beyond “downtown” there’s few “buttons” to push for a walk light.
         

        • Superuser23

          I am well aware of that for the past 20 plus years, what I am referring to is the people who are lazy to push a button, can’t be bothered to look both ways, etc

      • Anonymous

        I walk to and from work nearly every day and I try to be respectful to drivers, as I would hope they would be respectful of me.  Unfortunately, when there’s a clash, its not a level playing field, which I think we all agree means drivers need to be cognizant of what their vehicle can do, even in an accident. 

        That is not the say that drivers are somehow always at fault.  I cannot tell you how outraged I am when I see people slowly saunter through an intersection with no regard to traffic.  It gives all of us pedestrians a bad name, and makes people drive more aggressively. 

        I’ve called a few people out on it while I’m standing there waiting my turn and they go strolling out in front of a car, but in the end, I’m not gonig to get myself stabbed trying to teach some loser some manners.

        • Superuser23

          I am thankful for my right to carry a permit and bear arms, all you need to do is belch in Bangor and someone will probably stab you for it

    • Anonymous

      I agree 100%.  Why do they do this?  I have seen this myself. Some people have told me it is my imagination.  Since you have seen it to, it probably isn’t my imagination.  Why would people speed up instead of slowing down when they see a pedestrian or biker?  It just doesn’t make sense.

      • Anonymous

        I think its because they’ve been ‘disrespected’ so many times by walkers who just walk out anywhere anytime without any care or thought for anyone else.  It makes them start to hate all pedestrians.

        I walk at least a couple of  miles each day on city streets and try to be respectful.  Yes, sometimes I find myself inadvertently in the middle of a street when the light turns green, but jeez, I try to get across ASAP, not only for my safety, but also to just be respoectfult to my fellow citizens who have places to go and things to do and who shouldn’t ahve to wait for me to leisurely saunter through an intersection against a signal!

    • Anonymous

      You should have seen how negatively people responded to a comment I made about enforcing speed limits in an earlier article about cops not bothering to stop folks going 5 -10 over on the highways.  With cell phones , GPS devices and other distractions , how many innocent victims have to die before the laws are enforced ?

  • Anonymous

    RIP my dear friend. I will always have questions as to why but I know your in good hands.

  • Anonymous

     “The driver of the car also has not been identified.” Correlates to the previous statement that the womans  name has not been released

  • Anonymous

    BaybieGurl70, Thank you for clearing it up.

  • Anonymous

    Regardless of whether the light was green for the car or for the pedestrian, isn’t it the law in Maine that cars must yield to pedestrians in a crosswalk? I’m guessing the driver most likely should not be driving. We had to take the keys away from my 82 y.o. mother, who has Alzheimer’s, and she still thinks she should be able to drive.  I think after a certain age, 65 or 70 maybe, drivers should have to take a written and driving test every year to make sure they are safe to drive.

  • Anonymous

    Vehicular Manslaughter …..Unless of course the driver is ” connected ” .It is amazing how people who get run over are treated like stray cats…  Baloney .. Almy… Do your job and give this person and their family justice . It is NOT an accident until the facts are available. Please release the names of those who were involved . This story is starting to stink .

    • Anonymous

      chris before you throw the driver under the bus don’t you think all the FACTS should be known?

  • dee

    that is a bad spot to cross. i always signal the driver when i am trying to cross 

  • Anonymous

    79 year old driver wont be charged…no one that is elderly ever gets charged for a vehicle accident here in Maine….case in point: back a bit.. in Greenville/monson area there was the elderly guy that hit the guy walking at night, he was never charged!

  • People in a crosswalk ALWAYS have the right of way.

    • Anonymous

      If they are at an intersection with walk/don’t walk signals, it is the pedestrian’s duty to follow those.

      I myself am not familiar with where this occurred, just making a general statement about  the rules.

    • Anonymous

      Nope.

      • Maine state law on pedestrians and crosswalks.

        http://www.mainelegislature.org/legis/statutes/29-A/title29-Asec2056.html

        4. Pedestrians in marked crosswalks.  When traffic-control devices are not in operation, an operator must yield the right-of-way to a pedestrian crossing within a marked crosswalk.

        [ 1999, c. 101, §1 (AMD) .]

        5. Pedestrian crossing.  A pedestrian must yield the right-of-way to a vehicle when crossing a way:

        A. Other than within a marked crosswalk; or [1993, c. 683, Pt. A, §2 (NEW); 1993, c. 683, Pt. B, §5 (AFF).]

        B. With an available pedestrian tunnel or overhead pedestrian crossing. [1993, c. 683, Pt. A, §2 (NEW); 1993, c. 683, Pt. B, §5 (AFF).]

        • Superuser23

          let us not forget  
          §2056. Pedestrians

          5. Pedestrians.  Unless otherwise directed by a pedestrian control signal, a pedestrian facing:A. A green signal, except when the sole green signal is a turn arrow, may proceed across the way within a marked or unmarked crosswalk; [1993, c. 683, Pt. A, §2 (NEW); 1993, c. 683, Pt. B, §5(AFF).]B. A steady circular yellow or yellow arrow signal, may not start to cross the way, as there is insufficient time to cross before a red indication is shown; or [1993, c. 683, Pt. A, §2 (NEW); 1993, c. 683, Pt. B, §5 (AFF).]C. A steady circular red signal or a steady red arrow, may not enter the way. [1993, c. 683, Pt. A, §2 (NEW); 1993, c. 683, Pt. B, §5 (AFF).]6. Pedestrian control devices.  When a pedestrian control device exhibiting the words “walk” and “don’t walk” is used, it indicates as follows.A. A pedestrian facing a “walk” signal may proceed across the way in the direction of the signal and must be given the right-of-way. [1993, c. 683, Pt. A, §2 (NEW); 1993, c. 683, Pt. B, §5 (AFF).]B. A pedestrian may not start to cross a way in the direction of a “don’t walk” signal, but a pedestrian who has partially completed crossing may proceed to a sidewalk or safety island. [1993, c. 683, Pt. A, §2(NEW); 1993, c. 683, Pt. B, §5 (AFF).]

          In other words, if you don’t have a light to guide you, use the traffic signal, you won’t believe the number of fools waltzing out in front of people when they have a green turn arrow, or go against the red light and thu traffic is stopped in the middle of the intersection

          It also means if you by some slim chance push the button to cross, don’t cross when it says “don’t walk” believe it or not you may be required to wait a couple of minutes to wait for the signal and the device to sync up a cycle to allow you to….(drum roll please) safely cross the road!

        • Anonymous

          The pedestrian is required to allow traffic REASONABLE stopping distance.

          That means, if a cehicle is only twenty feet away, hit will not be able to stop for the pedestrian.

          A little common sense goes a long way.

          Oops! There is the problem!

    • Superuser23

      If I had a dime for every time someone said that….. but hey your statement may explain why people always get hit in the road

  • Anonymous

    I am appalled that people would make such hateful statements,and point fingers at people they dont even know.The pedestrian was a warm hearted kind,caring and INTELLIGENT woman,who will be deeply missed by co workers and friends.Pleasew focus on the fact that a terrible accident took place,and a very much loved woman has died.

    • Anonymous

      Thank you for this post… she was a great woman. :(

  • Anonymous

    False Matt if the light is there they must use it I’m tired of people walking out in front me me because they think they do they don’t period

  • Anonymous

    Had someone walk out into that same cross walk on me punch the rear fender and yell he had rights no you don’t read the law watch the lights for walk

  • Anonymous

    Very sad. Condolences to her family and to the driver of the car as well.  Horrible situation for both folks.  

  • Anonymous

    So much talk about the laws and blame being placed in people’s posts.  Where the heck has good old common sense and courtesy gone?  I understand the necessity for investigating if someone was responsible (which is what the police are doing), but does everything need to come to a battle of what the law is in these articles?  Common sense tells me if I’m driving my car and come upon someone in the middle of the road, I should apply my brakes and stop EVEN IF I have the right of way.  And if I’m crossing the street on foot and see that a car is coming through, I should probably not continue EVEN IF I have the right of way.  Kind of like a local gal I know who rode her car under a tractor trailer truck because SHE had the right of way and the truck should have stopped  (thank god she wasn’t hurt badly!).  Good grief!  Why all the accidents lately?  Perhaps because people are paying more attention to the rules and laws of the road than what the heck is on the road in front of them.

    • Anonymous

      Very simple don’t expect me to stop 3500 pounds before you stop 200

      • Anonymous

        If you’re driving something weighing 3500 pounds, I’m guessing you leave yourself enough space between you and the vehicle in front of you for emergency stopping, but I’ll be watching you in my side mirrors just in case

        • Anonymous

          If I’m coming off 95 and I have green and as I approach union you step off th e sidewalk in front of me giving me one vehicle lenth to stop it ain’t gonna happen you will lose and their will be no charges filed seen this happen many times people refuse to look because that cross walk makes them bullet proof don’t ya know

          • Anonymous

            That’s exactly what I’m saying!  People pay more attention to what they feel is their “legal” right of way, rather than paying attention to what’s coming or going on around them.  As far as I’m concerned, I don’t care if you have a red light and I have a green light, if you’re driving a large truck and I’m on my motorcycle, YOU have the right of way no matter who has the green light and no matter WHAT the law might be.  That being said, if I were driving the truck and a person walked out in front of me, I sure would do my best to stop (and I’d be driving as defensively as possible to begin with).  Sometimes it’s just impossible to stop.  That’s why everyone (walkers, drivers and all) need to pay attention to their walking/driving.  

      • Anonymous

        And I think we’re driving Tonka Trucks if I’m driving something that weighs 200 pounds lol

        • Anonymous

          The 200 pound reference was a generic one, pertaining to a person.

  • Anonymous

    Sorry, I can’t agree with you on this.  With the wife-beating, drugs, alcohol, stealing, child neglect/abuse, murders etc, I can’t ask cops to make a jay walking a priority.  Yeah, sometimes people don’t stop for people in the crosswalk, sometimes even the cops don’t stop. 

     I see far more people marching up to crosswalks and entering the roadway without looking or trying to “make a point” by stepping out into traffic.  Even when you have the right of way, it is only reasonable to give oncoming traffic an opportunity see you before stepping out.  Your life depends on it.I oppose legislating personal safety.  I think the cops have other things to utilizing my tax dollars on common sense stuff like this.  You look before you cross, no matter what.  It’s what our mothers taught us when we were three.  We don’t need to put a cop on every corner to get people to educate people on this.

    • Anonymous

      Perhaps if the city were to post signs stating the number of folks killed crossing the road people on foot would be more careful. I know that this would be expensive but funds from crosswalk violations could be dedicated for it or perhaps some civic organization could take this on. To reduce the risk that I kill someone crossing the street I have started to drive the speed limit and the bonus is I save fuel. This also decreases the fact that I could get sued and lose everything I worked my whole life to aquire.

  • Anonymous

    ono legal lot of people weigh 200 is my point

  • Anonymous

    I actually will be installing in my truck this week a go pro camera just to protect myself best two hundred plus dollars you could ever spend on amazon something stupid happens pull the SD card hand it to the cop case solved Can also be used on my snow Mobil trips atving etc

  • The police are under no obligation to protect your life. The phrase “to protect and serve” is a false misnomer. 

    • Anonymous

      They most often arrive after the fact.

  • Anonymous

    First of all this person was walking HOME from her job, not just walking for the sake of walking. Secondly, why are so many people so quick to judge before all the facts are out. My prayers are to her family and friends. I also am praying for the poor soul that hit her.

  • Anonymous

    I bet if the driver was in a commercial vehicle or was a young person charges woudl have already been filed..

  • Anonymous

    This woman was a beautiful soul that will be missed by all that were lucky enough to have been touched by her light… God bless you Brecon, may the Good Lord hold you in his arms. :(

  • Guest

    It’s incredible the amount of bickering that goes on in these comment sections.

  • Anonymous

    Hey bdn can you correct your correction please for crying out loud you guys are suppose to be professionals proof proof proof

  • Anonymous

    An earlier column listed the victim as elderly–well, 57 is not elderly! 
    The driver would be considered as such at 79, but even then, it could be that she is very young at that age!

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