Comments for: Clean energy investments support Maine jobs

Posted June 15, 2012, at 3:38 p.m.

One of the bright lights in our country’s economic recovery has been the growth and success of American clean energy industries such as solar and wind power. The U.S. wind industry currently supports 75,000 U.S. jobs across all 50 states, and is on track to produce 20 percent of our …

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  • Anonymous

    BS solar and wind power support only those who MAKE them. Those that buy them see no benefit as the cost is far to high. Of course some get a good feeling about it but that “warm feeling” really does not help Mainers heat there homes in the winter does it..

    • Anonymous

       I call it a benefit not to be sucking coal dust into my lungs. I call it a benefit to see my neighbors with a job. I call it a benefit if the electric car charging at home is not fueled by burning hydrocarbons. I call it a benefit if the trees are not dying, the fish don’t get loaded with mercury.
      Glad you like the pollution.

      • Anonymous

        We don’t have coal generators here in Maine.  The jobs are NOT ours, the car charging at home uses more fuel to charge it than it saves, they strip the trees off the mountains to build the windfarms and spray them with defoliants.  Wind farms do not save CO2.  Do your research.

      • Anonymous

        There is an element in the environmental left that wants to undermine the U.S. and topple it from it’s # 1 position of greatness. One way to do this is to try and strangle our energy supply. These enemies of America clamp down on nuclear, discredit new versions of nuclear such as thorium reactors, rip out our hydro, fight importation of inexpensive hydro from Canada, attempt to cease oil drilling everywhere, fight pipelines, turn natural gas drilling into a dirty word and oppose clean coal technologies.

        The reality is the U.S. has more recoverable coal than any nation on earth. The country though that produces the most coal is China, producing perhaps three times as much as the U.S. Yet we seldom hear the environmental left attack China. No, for them the root of all evil is the good old USA. Obama himself trumpeted to his lefty friends that he planned to bankrupt coal plants.

        Then, the energy sources that these enemies of America prescribe for us are the totally weak and useless grid-scale wind and solar.  They also help drain the treasury and often transfer U.S. taxpayer funds to places like China who manufacture much of this mature but rotten technology.

        While many in the environmental left are simply true believers and products of the pervasive anti-American undertones within our public school systems and universities, there are also more hard core elements who coopt the dogma drunk with the express purpose of weakening this country. What better way than to choke off our energy supply?

        They or their unwitting foot soldiers are alive and well on these boards.

  • Anonymous

    Obviously, Reed & Reed is in it to make $$$.  They have to pay for “the biggest crane in New England” somehow.  The Sierra Club totally discredits themselves as an environmental organization.  How can you justify blasting away, leveling and scalping hundreds of miles of Maine’s scenic and unique uplands to put in sprawling industrial wind projects?  So called “clean energy” doesn’t work economically and doesn’t begin to meet the hype of offsetting carbon and other pollutants with it’s fickle trickle of unpredictable, unreliable power.    The Sierra Club supports blasting a hole 30 feet deep and a quarter acre in size, filling it with concrete and steel re-bar to anchor a 45 story tall behemoth machine in the middle of a scenic area and say that is protecting the environment?  John Muir would roll over in his grave!  What an unholy alliance to put out this clap-trap!

  • Anonymous

    Earth to Jack Parker and Glen Brand…earth to Jack and Glen…did you guys ever hear of Solyndra? Is that your idea of “growth and success”? Citing the AWEA gives your position even less credibility . They are a paid lobbying group who misrepresent and distort energy issues with reckless abandon. The Bull Hill project is too close to areas set aside for Land or Maine’s Future . What is the purpose of LFMF if it will be surrounded by 400 ft. industrial towers and dozens of red blinking lights? The tax bribes to the communities is a pittance and an insult. As far as your pushing for PTCs, Exelon has 38 windsprawl projects and claims PTCs should NOT be renewed. It drives prices up!! Maine should be learning from others mistakes but self serving letters like yours mask the true impacts of an industry which would not exist without gov. handouts. If the Sierra Club continues to support industrial wind they might as well disband. Everyone knows the claims of wind turbines are not true. They keep the coal fired plants burning out of compliance by providing RECs , paid for by the consumer of course. The C02 emissions beginning at the rare earth mines in China and ending with the turbine stuck on a scalped mtn. top is so grossly excessive it cannot be calculated accurately, but the AWEA conveniently ignors this and chooses only to advertise carbon emissions saved, IF the power was actually being used, If the trans lines could transmit it, IF the power reduced was coal or oil(it is usually hydro for ZERO emissions reductions), IF the carbon sequestration of the trees removed is not considered,etc. The whole Enronesque fiasco is a sad commentary on how corporations have sunk to an all time low seeking instant gratification over anything resembling a beneficial contribution to society.

    • Just to set one thing straight.

      Solyndra is a Republican talking point. The GOP is funded by the fossil fuel industry. The industry does not want competition from renewable energy. In spite of many many smart and successful investments in the renewable energy sector the Grand Oil Party, prodded on by big oil, gas, and coal, continues to try to kill renewable energy.

       

      • Anonymous

        Put a sock in your partisan tripe. The original PTC was sponsored by Grassley (R-IA) who is now co-sponsoring an extension of the PTC with Baucus (D-MT); Brown (R-MA), Udall (D-CO), Heller (R-SD) and Wyden (D-OR). The argument against the extension is it props up uncompetitive and inefficent technology at the expense of system reliability and the lowest cost power. Southern California Edison warned its customers last week to prepare for a summer of frequent brown-outs due to the shut down of one of one of its nukes and all of its back up is wind and solar power. Too much taxpayer money is being used to fund deployment of new renewable generating capacity when it more appropriately should be spent on more R&D for energy sequestration for these maturing power industry sectors.

      • Anonymous

        FYI   I am a reg Democrat and a progressive lib, and I do not care what party espouses what, I have done my homework and even if what the pro wind cartel claims is true, it is not worth having Maine blighted with thousands of turbines. Their claims are NOT factual, and repeated pleas for info and data which I could double check from the AWEA and FirstWind are never answered. It is all PR and marketing to make megabucks for the schemers. The US would just sell what coal and oil  we did not use to China and India, thereby exporting our pollution but not reducing it globally. I actually  like solar because it does not need to be stretched for miles across mtns. and ridgelines. Wind power is not worth the impacts and will raise energy costs as well as being a gross polluter during the mining to smelting stages to when the turbine is finally planted on a mtn. I know , the wind is free but that is negated by the high emissions to build and low output. 

  • Anonymous

    This is a classic govt boondoggle.  It is totally subsidized and it costs the taxpayers billions.  You will never read or hear anything about wind energy making profits.  It’s a bunch of people like Al Gore making millions of dollars from taxpayers.  It is a complete fraud.

    • Anonymous

       Don’t forget Anguish King.  Just one more way Angus ripped off the state of Maine.

  • Anonymous

    Look at this comments, the subscribers to right wing propaganda. It’s sad.

    • Anonymous

      Maybe if the windustry would stop with all of its exaggerations and lies the opposition would stop making comments. The claim in the report that Maine’s wind power industry contributed $6 million in property taxes in 2010 contrast with their own individual websites which show that with TIF’s they paid only $1.8 million.  The windustry makes so many lies they can keep track of them all.

  • Anonymous

    This is just more of the rhetoric being pushed down our throats by an industry that counts on “economic benefits to level the playing field” .  These benefits are just taxes we payto the Feds that get channeled back to the political elites to line their pockets in the name of “Green”.  It is green alright . . . greenbacks.  Our electric rates are going up because we (Mainers) are paying for the grid updates for electricity going to Canada and Massachusetts.  The jobs are NOT American . . . the wind turbines and their ugly towers are being built overseas, and the jobs that put them up are temporary and mostly NOT Mainers.  Almost all the work being done on the grid updates is being done by workers from out of state.  We are being lied to and our only hope to save the environment here in Maine is to see the subsidies dry up at the end of the year.  It is really interesting that we are tearing down two perfectly good power generators, the Old Town and Veazie Dams to bring back the “Wild Rivers”  in Maine and are desicrating the landscape with bird killers and noise makers and mountain spoilers.  Please . . . People in Maine . . . WAKE UP!!!!!!!!

  • Anonymous

    How about one more big LIE . . . . They say wind will account for 20% of our power by 2030.  Europe has been doing wind for more than 30 years . . . They produce 2.4% of their power from wind.  They have wind generators all over the landscape and are in the process of shutting the industry down over there and not renewing windfarms that are becoming obsolete.  T. Boone Pickins, one of the biggest proponents of wind a few short years ago has abandoned his wind business and recently said on MSNBC, “I lost my A _ _ in wind power!”  It is a fraud . . . WAKE UP MAINE.

    • Jim,

      Your numbers are a bit off. The world, not just Europe, produces 2.5% of electricity from wind.

      Wind power in Europe has an 80% approval rating. In Germany the wind industry employs 90,0000 people and produces 8% of total electricity. The Germans now produce 20% of their energy from renewable sources and employs almost 400,000 people in that sector.

      • Anonymous

        Be careful what numbers you quote. A popular claim was that Spain produced 80% of its power from wind!!! After I looked it up, the claim was true , but only for about 10 minutes at 3 in the morning when the country was asleep!! It sounded good though and is an example of the misleading tactics the wind industry both here and abroad are using. 

      • Anonymous

        According to the 2011 Statistical Review of World Energy, 7.1% of Germany’s energy was derived from renewables in 2010.  Just curious, where does the 20% figure come from?

  • Anonymous

    Hundreds of short-term jobs have been created to destroy mountains in Maine.  I would like to see the true numbers regarding job creation – how many long-term, full-time, full-benefit jobs have resulted from this  devastation?

    • Anonymous

      The rough estimation is one job for every ten turbines, so this project with 19 turbines will have 2 jobs, maybe 3.   Having said that, however, there are all the outside technicians that come in to fix and replace components, because wind turbines are notorious for breaking down and needing constant repairs.  There is a very high operation and maintenance cost to these fickle machines, especially standing out in all sorts of Maine weather.  People remark all the time about the existing industrial wind sites like Mars Hill, Stetson, and Lincoln Lakes that on a windy day when they actually might have the narrow scope of wind conditions to make power, a bunch of the turbines are not spinning, another reason why the output is so misreably low.

  • Not that I love the oil and gas folk’s but look at bloomenergy.com . Biogas (without burning !) + water gets you electricity. Maine is oveflowing with both. Now am I the only one or there something missng I just don’t see ?

    • Anonymous

      Just look at the University of Maine.  They have a research project on biogas at the old paper mill in Old Town.  It struggles to find funding.  By contrast, the wind research project has a brand new huge testing facility that duplicates dozens of others around the country (waste of taxpayer $$$) and has been awarded over $300 million to pursue Prof. Dagher’s pie in the sky folly of floating wind turbines in the Gulf of Maine.  The hype around wind and the waste of tax money for it is despicable!

  • Anonymous

    Each time  wind turbine is approved, the corporation can sell its carbon credits to coal companies so that they can continue to pollute.

    • Anonymous

      A scam inspired by Enron!  Just a reminder, CEO of First Wind that is building this Bull Hill project, Paul Gaynor, was an executibe with “Enron Wind”.  We are giving away this beautiful state to crooks from Enron!

  • Patten_Pete

    The next time you read some bald faced pro-wind lies in an online post, consider that the blogger may be employed by an organization that has made this commenting part of his or her job. The employer could be a wind company but also a wind industry law firm, engineering firm, a paid off so called environmental group, an ornithologist who rigs bird studies, etc.

    It is now established fact that many of the pro-wind comments we see in online reader comments are the result of paid bloggers or bloggers otherwise employed by the wind industry or their mercenaries in the paid off environmental organizations.

    The following directives are taken from the Board of Directors of the American Wind Energy Association 11/2/11 meeting materials.

    “Respond quickly to unfavorable articles by posting comments online, using the AWEA blog and twitter, and putting out press releases”.

    ” • Work with Grassroots team to recruit and activate a “Wind Army,” identifying state,    member and third-party surrogates to spread AWEA messages. Results: • Quadrupled size of online community from February to October,building online advocacy list from 25,000 to 113,000; plus LinkedIn at 8,000, Twitter at 12,500,     Facebook at 37,000, for a total online community of more than 172,000 and still rapidly growing”.

  • Anonymous

    Promoting massive wind farms in Maine is anti-Maine and not in the citizens of Maine best interest.
    Billions of US and Maine tax subsidies go to the exectives of the large wind developers – do you like increasing our budget deficit? Thousands of jobs will be lost from having fewer tourists visit our beautiful state – are you infavor of fewer jobs?  Property values near these giant 500 foot tall wind turbines will decrease dramatically – are you in favor of lower property values? These are besides the environemntal destruction caused by blighting our beautiful landscape and destroying the natural surroundings as is being proposed for the Oakfield and Island Falls area of upstate Maine.  Get all the facts – please.

  • Anonymous

    p.s.  I forgot to mention maybe the most important fact:  Wind Energy on forested mountain tops is Energy Inefficient!  Why build environment destroying, budget busting, job destroying, energy inefficient 500 foot tall monsters along pristine wilderness lakes like Lake Pleasant and Lake Mattawamkeg when it will take more energy to build these giant monsters than they will ever produce? It just doesn’t make logical sense – unless you’re one of the fat cat Big Wind executives like at First Wind making millions off of the American taxpayer. 
    Lastly, The Maine Sierra Club should be ashamed of itself for allowing one of its Directors to be part of this shameful, one-sided, anti-environment opinion piece.

  • Anonymous

    Sorry – but I have one more p.s.:  using heavily tax-payer subsidized wind energy actually increases the electric rates for all Mainers because of the mandated artificially high requirement put in by the Maine legislature to require a high percentage of Maine electricity to be produced by inefficient, tax-payer subsidized wind energy.  Many of these legislatures went on to become executives and lobbyists for the Wind Energy (i.e. First Wind).  This kind of flagrant political corruption puts a stain on the kind of clean government Maine used to be known for – now its known as a state full of corruption. Vote all the corrupt politicians out of office – as soon as possible.  Please.  Thank you.

  • Anonymous

    Wind Energy in the State of Maine is not Clean. It destroys the scenic vistas that bring thousands of tourists to Maine and create the high quality of life Mainers love. It destroys thousands of acres of oxygen-providing, pollution-eating forests. It causes Maine politicians to be corrupt by accepting thousands of dollars in Big Wind contributions and who then turn around and become Big Wind executives and lobbyists. Wind energy is subsidized by billions in tax subsidies that lead to even higher budget deficits.

    Bottom-line:  Wind Energy causes more pollution than it saves.  Wind Energy is not Clean.

    • Anonymous

      The scenic vista in this case is the viewshed of Acadia National Park!  These 479 foot tall behemoth machines will be clearly visible from the park.  Worse, the taxpayers of Maine used bond money from the Land for Maine’s Future fund to protect Schoodic Mt. and the mountains in the Donnell Pond Public Reserved Land, right next to Bull Hill!

  • When I see Production Tax Credit, it tells me that our tax dollars are going to waste on a product, industrial wind power, which should be used to pay our federal deficient down. We borrow money from China and then turn around and buy wind turbines from them. G.E.’s are made in China, Gamessa’s are made in Germany, where is the “MADE IN THE GOOD OLD U.S. OF A? Definitely not supporting jobs in the States. Maybe there are some of us in Maine who want to keep our Quality of Place and Peace of Mind, and wind turbines are a threat to these qualities that are cherished. I also don’t like the fact, Maine doesn’t get any value from these wind projects. the companies are based out of Massachusetts, the credits are not applied to Maine. They are leeching off of Maine’s mountains to meet another states Green Credits. Shame on you, Angus King, I say build them in your own back yard. It is time for Massachusetts companies to build in their own backyard and then we will have the right to stop calling them FLATLANDERS  and call them NIMBYS. Why should Mainer’s loose their quality of life, tolerate noise, shadowing, and “huge pinwheels” on their mountains? We did what we should have done and created a 30% green energy state. Why should we give up our mountains, move up to 50% green energy so that Massachusetts can meet its green energy goal? Just something to think about. Cut the Credits….

  • Anonymous

    “Dirty Political Influence and Crony Capitalistic Scamming Supports the New Federal Subsidy
    Suckers” would be a better title of this self serving advertisement for Mr Parker and his company Feed @ Feed (on the scam money for crony capitalists).

     These projects are useless Green Solyndresque Schemes , creating temporary jobs for electrical
    power that is a fickle trickle at huge budgetary costs per MW/h. All
    citizens pay for the increased cost and environmental damage to our
    real Vacationland’s long term economy.

    The only ones to benefit are companies like this one on the federal subsidy teat. Reed@Reed would
    do better building real infrastructure in Maine rather than being an active Subsidy Green Scam Feeder!

    Mr. Parker, “Oink Oink” to you .

    Look for useful projects rather than temporary make work scams please!

  • Penny Gray

    The federal  PTC should be allowed to expire.  More than enough federal subsidies have been channeled into this inefficient energy source for the past thirty years. Not one single existing power plant has been shut down and only 2% of our power is being generated by industrial wind.  Maine doesn’t need any electricity, we export over half of what we produce and our mix is one of the greenest in the nation.  Put Reed and Reed to work repairing our existing roads, not blasting new ones across our mountains.  Those jobs improving our transportation infrastructure will benefit ALL Mainers and not raise our electricity rates and threaten to destroy the state’s most powerful economic engine, tourism, which, by the way,  provides Mainers with 170,000 full time jobs and provides Maine with ten BILLION dollars annually. The wind industry can’t hold a candle to that.

  • Anonymous

    So many outright lies and exaggerations from the wind industry, and in this piece, their lackeys.  Lets start by correcting that while the “nameplate capacity” is 34 MW, the project will likely not even reach 30% of that, or 10 MW of unpredictable, unreliable electricity generation.  Since when is 30% of anything at a massive cost considered acceptable?  The project would not even be built if it were not for the unduly high (per MWH) subsidy and the selling of Enron-inspired RECs to polluters.
     
    The wind industry has had all of their hyped up selling points discredited that the only thing they talk about these days is jobs and bringing investment into an area.  The taxpayers adding to the $15 trillion National Debt for something we don’t need and doesn’t work cover the investment.   Spending taxpayer money in Maine and employing construction workers would be better used for infrastructure for the broad public good, not to facilitate the profits of wind industry thieves.
     
    Of course, there is property tax revenue the authors cite as a benefit to the project.  What they neglect to say is that they are rebated half of their property taxes from Hancock County from a TIF arrangement.  First Wind never builds a project without local welfare on top of the PTC.  The PTC is currently 2.2 cents per KWH and makes up more than half of their revenue.  The taxpayers are ripped off and the ratepayers are ripped off by these thieves.  Did it ever occur to anyone out there that you are hit twice by this scam?
     

  • Anonymous

    The wind industry would not exist without all the subsidies, tax breaks, and mandates.  Wind is such a feckless source of electricity, that it requires far greater subsidies than any other source of electricity per Megawatt Hour. 

    In July 2011, the USEIA published results for 2010 for subsidies per MWH (direct, tax, R & D, and electricity support).  The subsidy per MWH is $52.43 for wind; the next highest is $2.78 for nuclear, then 84 cents for hydro, 64 cents for coal, and 63 cents for natural gas. 

    Support for wind is bad economics, based on poor science, mandated by bad public policy caused by lobbyists influencing politicians pandering to be “green” rather than making sound decisions based on economics.

  • “Don’t take away the money you’ve been giving us for 20 years or we won’t be able to compete!!”  
    This piece neglects to mention that the billion dollars “invested” here in Maine for useless electricity generators is actually a billion dollars spent, that is after it is taken from your ratepayer pocket and your taxpayer pocket.  And it does not mention that most of that money spent goes out of state and out of country.  Yet no conventional generators are closed and no air is cleaned.  That, in good old fashioned Yankee-speak is called “wasteful.” For a less biased look at the Production Tax Credit, look here:   http://api.ning.com/files/pAmwxUsZIgOiG7WbSgmA5**TpkT9hLqMW*iKfFt7OhwTuteDRFIfSqxB5DWMmuHetteJNNTS2ex9EiWL5YbyecB-7bAI7*dA/FMMPositiononPTC.pdf

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