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  • Anonymous

    Good for them!Good luck to all!

    • Guest

      I will donate a closet to their cause, hide it in the woods and they can crawl back in where they belong…

      • Anonymous

         The usual RW hatred and ignorance is why this referendum will pass and Maine can be proud.

      • Joseph Willingham

        Sweet!  Make sure it’s a large walk-in.  I have a LOT of fabulous clothes!

  • Anonymous

    So if this goes thru everone should be able to marry anyone or thing.
    1st cousins, brother and sisters mom and sons, father daughters
    There will be no difference.
    the institution of marrage shall no longer be sacred.
    And how does a man and a man cossumate the marrage in the eyes of the lord
    And a female and female without using artifical toys.

    seriously a marrage is define as a loving bond between a man and woman.
     JUST NOT NATURAL ACTS

    • Anonymous

      You can already marry your first cousin in Maine.

      I also don’t understand your point of bringing up sex? Like, years ago, when we were trying to determine whether women should have the right to vote, should we have considered the fact that women menstruate? Really, just what’s the relevance?

      Do you have a real argument that doesn’t involve changing the subject?

      • Anonymous

        I`m direct on point. If this passed, how can you argue against any other form of marrage.
        The reason for getting married is to form a bond between man and woman and have children and raise a family.
        That would be natural
        What isn`t natural is 2 men in the same bed having what they can sex,
        Marrage is a sacred bond between man and woman.

        • Anonymous

          You’re making far too much sense for gay rights advocates to understand. Thousands of people out west want to live polygamy as well.  There are also people who want to marry objects.  They each have a faction and want to change the meaning of marriage. The gay advocates just have the biggest wallets at the moment, but their arguments for “equal marriage” can be readily applied to incest, polygamy, etc.  They are secretly hoping that most people don’t understand this.

          • Joseph Willingham

            Again-not the point.  When polygamy is the issue, let’s discuss it then.  But saying that *I* cannot marry the person I love because you say someone somewhere wants two wives is illogical.  

            I am secretly hoping that a majority of people don’t buy into these red herrings and falsehoods that you are parroting this year.  Well, I just typed it, so secret’s out!

          • Anonymous

            It’s funny because you have no argument. You just keep changing the subject. Silly goose :)

        • Anonymous

          You’re not direct on point because there is no requisite to procreate in order to get a marriage license. Have you ever heard of a couple needing to take a sterility test before getting wed?

          Just because something is more common than something else doesn’t make it natural and all else not. Are blonds unnatural? Homosexuality isn’t abnormal, it’s just uncommon. 

        • Joseph Willingham

          Any other form of marriage is not the issue.  Your points are distractions from the real issue of allowing one legal consenting adult to marry another legal consenting adult.

          Reasons for marriage are numerous and are not law.  You cannot say that everyone gets married for this one specific reason because it simply is not fact.  

          What you state is YOUR opinion and works well for you and that’s fantastic.  But your opinion does not dictate how I should live my life when it does you no harm.

        • Anonymous

          So you’re saying that an elderly couple should not be allowed to marry. A couple who decides they don’t want kids should not be allowed to marry. A couple who CAN’T have kids should not be allowed to marry. Right?

          You are a jerk. You want “sacred” marriage? Get married in a church, with all the mystical mummery and foofaraw you can dream up. No one is saying your magical church has to perform its mystical baloney for gay couples. My wife and I were married by a Justice of the Peace. Are we somehow not married because we didn’t buy into one of your approved brands of religious BS? I don’t think so.

          • Joseph Willingham

            Oops-double posting! Sorry!

          • Joseph Willingham

            There are organizations that oppose marriage rights for same-sex couples that believe just that.  The American Society for the Defense of Tradition, Family and Property , I believe, is one of them-a marriage if not valid if not performed in their church.  I would like to cite that on their site, but I cannot find that entry any more-they seem to be focusing a lot on teh gays right now so it’s pretty cluttered.  I keep looking and I am pretty sure that their site said that at one time.  I am thinking, though, that they must have taken it down because it would appear that they wouldn’t get as much support from non-members if the non-members are told that their marriages aren’t valid because they weren’t performed in the way the TFP dictates.  Does anyone remember this?
            In any case, are the “red-sash” people that demonstrated here in 2009 outside of Home Depot, if you remember.  Check out their agenda.  Pretty frightening for most people, gay or straight.

        • Anonymous

           So when the commandment to obey was part of the old time vows,that was okay since the church said it?Times change and people are more enlightened.What about the heterosexual divorce and adultery rate?So much for your sacred bond.I hope Regular Joe and all like him who have suffered get the rights they deserve and need.As a heterosexual male,I’m proud and happy to donate and help them in any small way that I can.

      • Anonymous

         The same old tired lies are brought up by that side every time.Ask them how many times those situations have occurred in those state which have rights for all.Answer:NONE.If any had,the RW would be screaming from the rooftops.

      • Joseph Willingham

        Speaking of artificial toys, I’m willing to be that the market for artificial toys is bigger with straight people than for gay people.

    • Joseph Willingham

      You’re exactly right.  This law that grants two people of the same sex the ability to obtain a civil marriage license REALLY means that my cat can finally marry her chair!  You caught us!!!

    • Anonymous

      Yep, so long as they are two consenting adults who are legally able to engage in a contract. Although you may have to question it slightly, but only because of the consequences of that may be involved with them reproducing, not really fair to the child.

      But anyway, I completely understand and very much respect your definition of marriage, but what you have to understand is that it is YOUR definition of marriage not everyone elses. That said, this is America, a country founded upon maximizing an individuals personal liberties, and forcing your definition of marriage on others is not liberty.

      You have every right to have your own opinions on both homosexuality, and the definitions of marriage, but you do not have a right to force those opinions and beliefs on others.

      • Anonymous

        Well said.

  • Anonymous

    I personally can’t walk and chew gum at the same time, so for these people to ask me to consider whether my gay neighbors deserve equal rights while I’m trying to think about the economy is just too much. Maybe in two years we can talk again!

    • Anonymous

      This law has nothing to do with equal right so there is really nothing to think about. The sole purpose of this law is so that gays and lesbians along with their families can feel good about their abnormal lifestyle. Once they have a law that says they can legally marry then they can claim that their lifestyle must be normal, if it wasn’t, it would be illegal.

      If this law was truly about civil rights or even equal rights for that matter we would be passing a law that  has no limitations or strictions what so ever when it comes to marriage.

      • Anonymous

        Nothing to do with equal rights? So you’re going to lie and so that being married doesn’t come along with rights, benefits and responsibilities? Get real man. 

        The only reason you want to say it has nothing to do with equality is because you want to feel comfortable discriminating. You want to be able to call them abnormal so you can sleep fine at night knowing you’re using the law against your neighbors.

        • Anonymous

          This is nothing more than another Liberal Social Program to make another one of their voting blocks feel good.  Liberals and Equality Maine are selling this as job creation and economic growth LOL.  That is why every well known Maine Economist has gone on record saying this will only give a small boost at best for about a year or two.  If anything it will become a drag on the Economy and on the Maine Taxpayer by having us pay to support just like all of the Social Programs we have now.  Also when it is taught in our schools our peformance will also drop even more helping Maine fall even farther down into the bottom half of states in Education now.  I voted NO in 2009 , I will do so again.

          • Anonymous

            A drag on social programs? You’re obviously making that up. Gay couples are picking up extra slack as it is, meaning paying more than someone like you, because they don’t file taxes jointly. But if you disapprove of gays so much, why not push a bill to have them pay no taxes? Their money is clearly tainted and it just goes to making our schools, roads, police departments, etc. gayer. Think of the children!

            And speaking of children, taught in schools? Another irrelevant issue. They don’t teach marriage in school. It’s not part of the curriculum. The only context it would be addressed in would be during a current events discussion and considering we’re already debating it, it’s already being discussed in school. Are you worried that children might realize that, gasp, some people in this country are different? Are you devastated when children find out that some of their classmates are raised by one parent or maybe a grand parent? Does it make YOU feel good to use the law to force others to believe exactly what you do?

          • Joseph Willingham

            MountainMan_73 and darkcat33 do not see us as real human beings who deserve the same rights as Americans as everyone else, so the only benefit in discussing this with them is that it helps to hone are skills.I had some great canvassing experiences today and spoke to people who were either supportive or somewhat supportive.  After the discussions, they all were!  The canvassing is working!

          • Anonymous

            Regular Joe and wolfndeer ~ I cannot speak for darkcat33 but I do see you as human beings. I have no problem with the fact that you are gay. I have no problem with how you choose to live your life or who you live it with. I do however have a problem when you try to change the law solely for your own personal benefit. All the rights and protections you say you can only gain by changing the law to allow SSM you already have available to you through other means. For more than 2000 years marriage has been the union between a man and a woman. You now want to change that for no other purpose than to validate your lifestyle.

          • Anonymous

            I’m not gay. Should be a lesson to you not to assume. You assumed that I’m automatically gay and you assume to know the motivations for gay couples wanting equal rights. Marriage has not been the same for the past 2000 years, it hasn’t even been the same for the past 200 years or even 50 years.

            Either give up the hundreds of rights, benefits and responsibilities legally associated with marriage or allow gays the right to wed as well. It’s one of the other and if neither, then you’re guilty of discrimination. 

          • Joseph Willingham

            Isn’t that generally the reason why people try to change laws?  Yeah, it benefits me.  But does it harm you?
            And wolfndeer makes a great point-at the action where I volunteered yesterday, there were three straight men volunteering as well.  

        • Anonymous

          Amazing. For someone who didn’t have time to think about gay marriage becasue you were too busy thinking about the economy, looks like you’ve evolved. Seem to be a lot of that going around this election year.

          • Anonymous

            LOL, I was obviously being sarcastic. It takes a pretty simple mind to be challenged by having to considered more than one thing at once. 

      • Joseph Willingham

        You sure know a lot about what gays and lesbians really think.

        In any case, thank you!

  • Anonymous

    They are saying that they represent Equality Maine, which is not mentioned in any news article, and they already have the names of people via an application to  VAN, so they say, and  a matter of public record.   So, it is not a random knocking on doors–they have your names already.

    • Joseph Willingham

      Equality Maine is one of many organizations that are a part of Mainers United for Marriage.

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