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Comments for: LePage budget funds Dolby landfill, but doesn’t end Millinocket feud, officials say

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  • Anonymous

    I stated this before if Millinocket has a case against the Governor then procede if not then take what you have been given and move on.  Regardless of how things go in the Millinockets the taxpayers have a lot invested in your communittees and are getting tired of pouring money into them.

    • Anonymous

      The Governor of this state should be above lying and budgetary blackmail to get something that he did not secure in good faith negotiations. The Governor’s actions are beneath contempt, and whether or not they are legal does not mean that the Millinockets should stand down and allow him to take a pass on reprehensible behavior. Requiring a town to either contemplate suing him or let him force a town to make local budgetary choices at his direction says a great deal about his character and respect for our state’s history of home rule. He is appalling. 

      • Anonymous

         You are just now figuring out that Penguin is a bully?  Really?  Where have you been for the past year?

        • Anonymous

          Worse, he’s a corporate thug.

          • Anonymous

            It’s actually even worse than that. Penguin is a tea party puppet/joke who doesn’t even understand what a ‘corporate thug’ is and is far too dim to recognize that he’s being used as a tea party puppet/joke. 

            I knew this guy in 10th grade when we elected him to be Student Council President as a joke. Except Penguin believes that we actually meant it. He doesn’t seem to understand that he was the punch-line

          • Anonymous

            You elected him to be student council president as a joke? Looks like you were the small-minded bully even back then, luv. Stephen King, anyone?

          •  Yea, and look how electing Carrie prom queen worked out for them.

          • Anonymous

            Bangorian would have been the guy who plants the bucket of pig’s blood above the prom queen Carrie’s head. I wouldn’t put it past him.

      • Anonymous

        Can you say Dirigo health.

        • Tyke

          Actually LePage has kept Dirigo Health funded fully and his administration has been advertising incessantly on the radio stations I listen to in an attempt to INCREASE enrollment!

          He campaigned on a promise to IMMEDIATELY completely eliminate Dirigo Health but then found out ir=t works and many Maine small businesses depend on it!

          He has been very quiet about that because it clearly demonstrates 1) Like most of the truth about how government works,  he knew nothing about the program while he was demonizing it and 2) that he does not keep his promises.

          • Anonymous

            and it demonstrates is is not stupid because he kept the program once he learned more about it and saw that it made economic sense

      • Anonymous

        Then don’t stand down take him to court that is the point if you deserve the funds and he won’t pay.  All this talk about he said and she said is not resolving the problems.  Sometimes it is worth the effort to prove the point.  That is what is not happening here.

        • Anonymous

          You misunderstand the law. Even if they clearly “deserve the funds” there still may be no course of action to legally sue the Governor to secure payment. The law does not provide a remedy for every bad, wrong, unethical thing that anybody does. Millinocket can be absolutely right that they are owed the full amount, but not have legal recourse. We rely on our public servants to do what is right, not just what the law makes them do. In this case, LePage is proving that his word is not worth much, but it is a pity to have to resort to a lawsuit rather than decency. 

          • Tyke

            When the legislature flips to Democrats in November they will vote to pay this money that the state legally owes.

      • Anonymous

        You assume the governor lied and is committing blackmail. It appears to me it’s a case of “she said, he said” where a misunderstanding concerning each party’s obligations occurred during negotiations. All in all, the town of Millinocket has been well served by the governor who managed to reopen the mill and get a lot of local citizens back to work.  Personally, I think the town mayor should stop his whining and finger pointing, admit to the possibility of a misunderstanding,  thank the taxpayers for coming to the rescue, and start growing up. Right now much of the mayor’s efforts seem to be designed to protect his own image as an administrator who could not possibly be partially responsible for a misunderstanding. To the Millinocket mayor I would advise: hey, relax; we’re all human.

        • Anonymous

          I assume nothing. The written record between the two parties apparently clearly establishes that the town and the Governor’s office communicated about a one-time payment, and that nothing else was ever mentioned. If there were any other smoking gun, I think the Governor’s office would have released it. It sounds as if the 50K going forward was not part of the series of email exchanges or communications at any time, and the misunderstanding is entirely on the part of the Governor. 

          If I were a Millinocket taxpayer, there is no way I could support having my town’s arm twisted to the tune of 50K a year forever without a serious negotiation. The mayor is doing his job. No matter what the Governor has done for Millinocket, his behavior, grandstanding, and bullying is beneath his office. 

          • Anonymous

            When the two parties met my understanding was that there was no written agreement, just a verbal one. From your comment it sounds like you have not personally seen the written record in the governor’s office. That being the case how can you assume the existence of an agreement between the two parties establishing a mere one-time 50k payment? Also, what does his behavior you characterize as “grandstanding, and bullying” have anything to do with the disagreement between the two parties?

            If I recall, the mayor’s attitude just before and during negotiations was less than friendly while he was making his own set of fiery demands for Maine taxpayers to dish out money to a town they are not responsible for helping beyond their legal obligation. Ironically, as I recall, many liberal posters on this site criticized the governor repeatedly and ad nausea for being too generous with taxpayer money; to wit, calling the state’s agreement to assume most of the costs of operating the landfill a “bailout” for the polluters who created it. Now many of them are supporting the mayor’s demand for more money. People have short memories don’t they?

            PS: The governor strongly believes the state should help people help themselves and no more. I along with many conservatives share that value. The fact the governor wanted the town of Millinocket to pay part of the landfill operating costs over the years was to be expected. It’s hard for me to understand why he would have back away from this request only to reaffirm it at a later time.

          • Anonymous


            what does his behavior you characterize as “grandstanding, and bullying” have anything to do with the disagreement between the two parties?” Thus we see that there is just no point in trying to find common ground with you? 

            I have posted no comments to this site previously about Millinocket, so pardon me while I do not stand up as your whipping boy on those. The basic basic basic point is – there were plenty of communications that occurred. No, I have not seen them. However, those released by Millinocket – and NOT REFUTED BY the Governor’s office – show an agreement for a one-time, 50K payment. After the town refused to agree to endless annual 50K payments, saying that they had never agreed to them, and with evidence that says that they are being honest – the Governor resorted to withholding money that has nothing to do with the landfill – money that is clearly owed the town for education. You have no problem with what amounts to blackmail? Um, OK. You think not liking the mayor (and liking LePage, I assume) excuses the Governor’s bullying? Um, OK. I’d say you have an ethics challenge, but hey, it’s your problem, not mine. If you think the town should pay despite having no such agreement, fine. But please, please try to see that withholding state aid to education to get your way is beneath contempt. The end does not justify the means. 

          • Anonymous

            What you are saying is this: If we have an agreement whereby you pay me “x” amount of money each year for something while I pay you “y” amount of money for something else, then I have no right to withhold some of the money I agreed to pay you when you fail to live up to your end of the agreement. If this is how you deal with agreements, then forget about negotiating any deal with me, ever.

            The governor is only acting in accordance to what he believes is a failure of the town of Millinocket to live up to its end of the bargain. As I implied earlier, the state has been more than generous with the town. The town manager’s failure to recognize this generosity and his rejection of diplomacy in order to come to terms with the governor should be a wake-up call to all town residents. After all, the governor in this case is in the driver’s seat, not the foolish mayor (town manager) who appears to be more concerned about himself than the town’s people.

    • Anonymous

      Maybe you should rephraise that from taxpayers to taxpayer.

    • Anonymous

      I seem to remember Governor LePage making a special effort to recruit new business for this region and to re-open the mills…..and this is how the entrenched Democrats repay his efforts? 

  • Anonymous

    Aside from the school children of Millinocket, the biggest loser here is whomever Rep. Clark is running against.  After this, Mr. Clark’s reelection is a lock if he’s running again.

  • Anonymous

    Don’t you just love it when LePage and his press secretary think they know more than the town about their education system?

    • Anonymous

      In other words, if your not in the other guys shoes they know more about their situation then YOU do? 

       Remember that.
       Try applying it before you hit send on occasion.

      • Anonymous

        That is exactly what I mean, however, if I have personal knowledge about something, I will continue to share it.  

        • Anonymous

          My point is that it doesn’t apply exclusively to people you like.

    • Anonymous

      Don’t you just love democracy in action!

    • Anonymous

      Aw come on,it’s only a quater million dollars.Every town should be able to come up with that.The govenor knows best what is best, not only for our young people ,but our poor and elderly as well. Starve them all , that will solve all our problems..But then who wil he have to blame for everything?

      • Anonymous

        OBAMA

        • Tyke

          You mean that guy who has LOWERED taxes from when he took office and who has a lower deficit as a % of the GNP too?

          • Anonymous

            Did he do that, or simply cave in to the House Republican versions of tax bills?   

  • Anonymous

    the should because the education in millinocket dont no what they are doing .70 percent of the school are failing atleast on class this year . the school board spend money they dont have just like the town s .the town government lies every day they are open for buisness . Thus isn’t a big surprise .there word doesnt meen anything .

  • StillRelaxin

    “Blackmail” from within the Blaine House.  Yep, that’ll surely draw businesses and jobs to Maine.  When no one comes bearing taxes and jobs then where will Mr. LePage turn?  Yep, at every small town taxpayer in the State.  Someone’s going to have to pay to keep three LePages off the couch!

  • Anonymous

    nice job Herbie – Millinocket is lucky to have you.

  • Anonymous

    well its time for those 2 towns to pay their own bills, great northern spoiled both towns. after the northern left you could see the writing on the wall,, maybe the council should go after the paper unions, after all they’re the ones that overpriced themselves out of jobs and business… 

    • Anonymous

      I think you may be projecting your dislike of unions onto this situation.

      According to the Maine Pulp and Paper Association, “Maine’s paper production has consistently increased since 1990, and in recent years Maine has produced more paper than ever before.”

      http://www.pulpandpaper.org/

      In other words, as old paper machines have become obsolete, newer high-tech machines have been installed somewhere in the state but not in Millinocket.

      I don’t think it was the union that decided not to put up-to-date machines in the Millinocket and East Millinocket mills.

      Up-to date technology was installed in Bucksport, Westbrook, and other still operating mills with union workers making union wages making more paper.

      • Tyke

        Not fair. You are throwing facts at a troll. That makes them shrink and disappear!

      • Anonymous

        Why don’t you point out that the union in Millinocket and East Millinocket negotiated the wages for the highest paid paper workers in the state and the employers invested elsewhere where labor costs were lower ! You’d think that the papermakers union was for all the paperworkers in the state. Perhaps that’s one area the unions could improve on , if they are not united they will fall apart !

  • Anonymous

    Again democrats,money,children. All the money is going to the school. Right we have all heard this one many times before.

    • Anonymous

      enjoy the 1 term of this lying toad of a governor

      • Anonymous

        Dream on………

        • Anonymous

          oh, ok  gomer

    • Anonymous

      Yup, now we know.   Gov. LePage kept it.  Wonder what he’s doing with it:  paying his daughter and his brother-in-law?

  • Guest

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  • Anonymous

    LePage stands to lose every voter in Millinocket because a loss of state revenue is going to come out of every Millinocket pocket. And that simply is no buy votes.

    •  If you don’t want to pay for your trash , just go put it on the school playground.

    • Anonymous

      Millinocket should consolidate the High/junior high school and the Granite Street school even if this matter comes out in their favor.  The cost of running 2 facilities when one is more than ample is just plain wasteful.  And what about the raises for town employees , they work for the public , most of which are struggling to make ends meet. Mr. Clark , can’t you talk some sense into the council and school board ? Oh and by the way , I’ll vote for him again !

      • Anonymous

        You have to remember vast majority of the council are Democrats, not sure about the school board lol

  • Anonymous

    The loud mouth bully will become a silly lame duck after the fall elections. And all the Republicans who lose their seats can thank the fool on the hill for their ouster.

  • Anonymous

    Pillar of the community…. Keep up the great work Mr. LePage…

    • Anonymous

      yeah governor- we see the kind of people that support you.. i wonder what the 61% that didnt vote for him are doing tonight? counting down the days until this lying governor is gone probably  (ya know , when a national business magazine calls lepage a liar, its hard to disagree

  • Anonymous

    Well, we all have a choice come November if we don’t like the way things are going. If you don’t vote you must be satisfied. One thing good about what is going on is that it has made the choice very clear. No need to name call or gripe; make some changes if that is what you want. We are fortunate to live in a democracy that allows that.  We are a “Can Do” state and hope we never forget that as we move ahead.

  • Jake_OO7

    So much for children coming first for this stinky Governor.  

  • Anonymous

     It’s all “pie in the sky ” anyway. Our kids are getting dumber.  We don’t appear to have any ideas to reverse the trends and we’re making no attempt to make changes in our school systems. Might as well throw good money after bad.

    • Anonymous

       Take away the Xbox and other tech that keeps them rooted to the coach.

      • Anonymous

        Who said anything about sports , don’t blame the coach blame the spelling teacher !!

  • Anonymous

    Please oh please just sue the Penguin already. It is no wonder NOTHING ever gets done in the DEAD ZONE.

  • Anonymous

    So did the town default on a promise or not????

    • Anonymous

      He said, She said. you can go to Millinocket.org site and read the paperwork though nothing was in stone. Unfortunately the monies are 2 differnt issues. Or suppose to be.

  • When you are in a leadership role it is impossible to make everyone happy.I say make the hard decisions and stick by them.

  • Lord Whiteman

     Regardless of who said what or when,the fact remains. 
      Paul Lepage illegally  got us into a $17 million dollar obligation with no way to fund it. 
     Then he took on a $320,000 yearly maintenance expense without getting anything in writing.

     Paul Lepage, worst Governor ever.

  • Anonymous

    I love Paul Lepage. cleaning up years of  BALDY’S mistakes and bad debt is certainly a challenge, and I for one am prowd that he  has the berries to make the tough choices. You go Paul 

    • Anonymous

      He goes alright… Right to Lame Duckville.  

       His bully tactics and oh so obvious direction coming from the Koch Brothers he continues to alienate most of Maine and even members of his own party. 

       When is the last time you have seen members of the GOP coming out in public in disgust and criticism against one of their own? 

       The best thing about LePage is that he is sealing the fate of his own party with his ignorance and tea party tirades which will be seen in the coming election when many GOP lawmakers will be gone. 

      Keep going Paul..   You do indeed go!

      Lame duck soup for you!

  • Anonymous

    The Town may need to make some tough choices as well like cutting or  consolidating  some of thier services with other local communites to help fund the landfill

    • Anonymous

      Why should the town “make tough choices” in deference to corporate welfare?  I wondered about this “deal” from the get-go.  Company moves in, pays workers $11 per hour, which is supposed to fund schools, town functions AND Cate Street’s costs?  

      I used to work in Economic Development.  How on Earth is this supposed to work?  Corporations, during our post-war prosperity paid $3 in taxes for every $1 paid by a worker; today it’s $0.22 — and THEY have more of the money in this country!

      “But we create jobs!!!!!!” Right.  At what cost to taxpayers?  How are we going to make corporations pay a decent wage, AND pay their taxes?

  • Jim

    I’ll give 50,000 if i will get 502,000.00 in return this seems like a nobrainer but greed, I can’t imagine the town thinks the rest of the state owes them jobs every few years when the mill closes again. If this is the mentality of the reps in millinocket you may think of takeing roxannes offer.

    • Anonymous

      Two completely different issues. The money on S&S is allocated, and it was around 720,000.

  • Anonymous

    What is the point of “creating” $11/hour jobs, when each of those jobs costs taxpayers untold sums?  

  • Guest

    How long does Millinocket get this fund. Is it sort of like unemployment, forever.. The unions did this to themselves and the town.. When I was a contractor I did some work in Millinocket in the 80’s.. These people were the worst to work for. Always wanting extra’s for nothing. Talk about a vain bunch.. They rode high on their horse like they were the better then the rest of us. I had to stop doing work for these people.
    The people who are running the town seem to have the same mentality of What can you do for us?..  Just think if the unions would have included in their contract that the Mill would invest X amount of dollars in updating the equiptment instead of year after year of large raises, the mills would be running fine today… They’re is a bunch that would say thats the owners problem to update equiptment, well I guess not..  Bucksport should be doing this in their contracts, they lost a paper macine last year because it’s not productive enough and to old.. The unions next contract should be to update that machine with a new one in order to bring that part of the mill back to life which would employ a couple hundred people… But NO they will all want Raises and triple time. Then when the mill closes they will have no one to blame but themselves.. The State will then have to give money to Bucksport and buy their landfill. It just proves Dems are Greedy and all about themselves… I’ve seen some of them destroy things instead of donating them and say I bought it and I’ll be dammed if someone gets it for free….. 

    • Anonymous

      Failing to invest in equipment is a failure of management not unions; middle-class wages do not “destroy” businesses or economies

      You bring up an interesting point, though.  You want unions to be responsible for business investment?  O.K.  This has been done successfully in Europe, where, by law, corporate boards of directors MUST reserve a certain portion of seats from labor and the community.  If you hold them responsible for the degree of re-investment in a corporation; a public institution after all…. Then, give them the power to influence those decisions!  Such a board would be less likely to liquidate, take the money and run etc.

      Unions have given, given and given…. Cate Street starts new hires at $11 per hour.  (Open up your wallet, taxpayer, because those families are going to be needing food stamps, Maine Care etc.)  They give, hoping that shareholders will get sick of money and reinvest it.  Doesn’t work that way.

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