Comments for: Senate, House approve state budget; Democrats call bill a ‘sham’

Posted May 15, 2012, at 5:02 p.m.
Last modified May 16, 2012, at 11:44 a.m.

AUGUSTA | A state budget rewrite that makes up for an $80 million shortfall largely through cuts in social services won initial Senate and House approval Tuesday as the Republican majority pushed the bill through following impassioned debates. Republicans said the budget makes needed, structural changes in the Department …

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  • Anonymous

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  • Guest

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    • Anonymous

       I’m not sure what this cut is but most of the costs in mainecare come from a small group of very sick people with several conditions who visit  the ER a lot.  hopefully they can do something but the current top management is pretty pathetic–many experienced and bright people have left and now there are mainly  people with something to prove who know how to play political games.

      • Guest

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      •  You are right its the people that are very sick that should get the benefits but lets not forget the parents who bring their kids to the ER at the first signs of sniffles or tummy aches….do we really need to pay for abuse of the system?

    • StillRelaxin

      The only hope Mr. LePage and the GOP/Tea Party will have to receive “Waivers” to balance this horrific budget will be if they all fall to their knees to give the Feds the same thing Paulie said he wanted from the NAACP. It likely won’t do you much good but go ahead and pucker up Paul. It’ll be fun watching you get your knees dirty for once.

      • Guest

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        • Anonymous

          The people in November we will be telling Obama to go away after we vote him out of office.

          • Anonymous

            What you mean we …(Tonto to Lone Ranger)

          • Anonymous

            Thanks, Gopher, for reminding me of one of my favorite old jokes!
            :-)

          • Guest

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          • Anonymous

            Why are his comments to be discounted as rants yet you feel others should pay credance to yours?

          • Guest

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          • Anonymous

            I was not discounting anything about you in anyway.  You commented about the other poster by saying he was ranting.  I was wondering why his comments were classified as rants and not yours.  I had no idea you two had something personal going on or that the nerve was so close to the surface for you.
            Now I see the response I am replying to is not the one I saw in my email so although the tone is the same.
            Is it possible you are a bit too thin skinned and may be seeing everything as an attack when it is not?
            This may be causing you to go on the attack without reason thus creating enemies where there were none before.

          • Guest

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      • ptkitty

        Yes, Dawn Hill (D–Cape Neddick) it’s a “bean-counter budget.”  For years the Democrats and their special interest groups have eaten “high on the hog” while  taxpayers ate beans.  Your “welfare house of cards” is falling down.  Get used to it.

        Good job Republicans…that’s what you were elected to do..and there’s still much more to do.

        • Lord Whiteman

          The Republican legislature and the Sadist Paul Lepage’s current budget is 1/2 a billion larger that the last Democrat budget. 
           Even with all that extra money the Republican’s have yet to write a plan that is balanced without using gimmics and out right illegal lies.

          • Anonymous

            establishing unsustainable, immoral welfare programs that only serve to further impoverish the people you are supposedly trying to help is what is truly sadistic

          • Lord Whiteman

             That is the kind of fantasy Ebeneezer Scrooge would believe.

          • Anonymous

            “establishing unsustainable, immoral welfare programs” is what the Democratic majority of past legislatures has been accused of doing, in case you haven’t been paying attention.

          • Anonymous

            65% of american people are on record as wanting/needing single payer health care. watch the movie ‘sicko.’ we could afford this and so much more if we cut the budget for war and eliminate cia hidden, wasteful, immoral spending. 

          • Anonymous

             wanting/ needing??  Really…

          • Anonymous

            Nearly 90% of my kids are on record wanting/needing less homework and more ice cream.

            For the record I live under single payer, and I’d be fine with what that will really mean.  You will wait, you won’t see the same doc every time, and providers will be paid differently.  And before you tell me about the rationing of the Evil Insurance companies that already goes on, I get it…you’d rather have the government make those decisions.

          • Anonymous

            This has nothing to do with “welfare.”  The proposed budget cuts programs for children, the elderly, and people with mental illnesses.  It cuts Head Start, mental health services, drugs for the elderly, foster care, and smoking cessation programs.  Make those cuts and it will cost the state more, not less.  This budget is penny wise and dollar foolish, and it should be rejected.

          • Guest

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          • Anonymous

            What is the Democrat’s plan?

          • Lord Whiteman

            Solve the heath care crisis now and stop lying to the American people. Put American workers first and stop subsidizing imports.  Increase clean American energy production and end our addiction to imported oil.  Regulate Wall st to prevent the banks from causing another economic melt down.

          • Anonymous

            So your answer is socialism?
            Universal healthcare for all at the working man’s expense.
            Force all Americans to only buy American or start a tariff war of some sort with all of Asia.
            Or maybe you plan to just blockade against all imports.
            “Clean American Energy” is decades away.  We have our own natural gas and oil that rivals anything the Saudis or any other country has but we won’t go down after it.  Your bullet point has enough holes to sink a Solindra.
            Regulating Wall Street and forcing bad loans on banks is what led to the economic meltdown.  Other than that the only thing government regulation ever did was create more government and slow down our economy.

          • Lord Whiteman

             I would be happy if they would just stop subsidizing imports of nonessential goods.  Even since Reagan help the banks build those paper mills in Brazil American manufacturing jobs have shrunk to less than 10% of all employment.
              As for health care you don’t seem to understand . We are already have a “socialist” health care system that is financed with higher health care insurance premiums. Only I have zero representation for that style of taxation.

             Clean American energy is here now. It is much cheaper because we don’t have to trade blood for oil.

             Deregulating the banks allowed let them make known bad investments with our money. That  is the main reason the world economy collapsed under W. Bush.  
            Unstable oil markets and corruption in the real estate evaluation industry where also big contributors.

          • Anonymous

            You don’t have to go all the way back to Reagan to find a President who subsidizes foreign countries, Obama is willing to pay other countries to drill for oil instead of doing it here.

          • Lord Whiteman

             America is producing more oil now than under oil man W Bush.  In fact we are now a net exporter of gasoline.
             But this is only a stop gap measure and we need to continue to invest in alternative sources.

          • Anonymous

            We are producing more oil now due to actions Bush took not due to anything Obama has done.  It takes years for oil to start coming up out of the ground after applications are submitted.  Obama has done everything he can do during his administration to stop production.

          • Lord Whiteman

            Like what?  

          • Anonymous

            A drilling moratorium in the gulf as well as a ton of new regulations that would have done nothing to prevent the last spill in the gulf.
            Since taking office he has declared 85% of offshore areas off limits for drilling whyile at the same time paying other countries like Brazil to drill off their coastlines.
            “Karen A. Harbert, president of the Institute for 21st Century Energy at the US Chamber of Commerce, said the administration actually has a “just say no” energy policy. “President Obama’s administration has issued 50.7% fewer annual leases on public lands than President [Bill] Clinton’s did. Gulf of Mexico energy production is down 16% since 2009 and is projected to decrease even further in 2012,” she indicated. “President Obama denied the Keystone XL pipeline permit, which would have created thousands of jobs and provided all Americans with a steady supply of oil from a friendly ally. He also has banned new offshore areas from oil and gas exploration, and recently his administration took one million acres of onshore land rich with oil shale off the table.”
            http://www.ogj.com/articles/2012/02/industry-leaders-dispute-obamas-energy-policy-characterization.html

            The only reason the Keystone Pipeline is making any progress now is because it was really hurting his re-election efforts.
            This is just a short list of the things he has done to adversly effect the oil industry.  There is no list of things he has done to help us get more oil other than talk about an all of the above policy that he really does not believe in.  If he did he would be drilling everywhere.

          • Lord Whiteman

            The gulf oil disaster cost the US tax payers billions of dollars and the damage done to the local communities will take decades to repair.
              What would you do? Just keep running things the same way until the next disaster?

             Besides even with the gulf deep well moratorium America is still producing more oil then it did during Bush’s eight years.

          • Anonymous

            The point is they put nothing in place that would prevent the next spill.  They just stopped allowing drilling at all.
            Ans as I told you before, all of the oil production that is taking place today is due to the efforts Bush made in office not anything Obama has done.  So far he has blamed Bush for all the bad things and taken credit for all of the good things.
            I see a pattern here.
            The real truth and you know it is that it takes years for an application to drill to go through and even more years for production to actually start.  Your guy hasn’t been there long enough for us to see the results of what he has done but I am betting when all the chickens come home to roost after we have gotten rid of this obamanation things are going to be very bad.

          • Anonymous

            that disaster and the inaction that Obama mandated for WEEKS was a case of “don’t let a good crisis go to waste”
            Obama could have allowed the capping of the spill way before he did… most of the oil disaster was choreographed

          • quit yer whining

            Yes and what happened to the Keystone Oil Pipeline?!!  A bit shortsighted are we here this morning?!!

          • Lord Whiteman

             Hey quit your whining. 
            The keystone pipe line is a done deal. All the people of the midwest wanted was to move it off of the sand hills aquifer.  The Canadians have agreed to do just that and they are already preparing to reverse flow the southern pipe lines. 

          • quit yer whining

            If I remember it was Clinton who was the champion of NAFTA?!! 

          • Lord Whiteman

             Nafta is a trade agreement between the US, Mexico and Canada.  Romney made his money shipping US manufacturing  jobs to China. 

          • Anonymous

            I agree with everything you said, except I don’t blame BUsh for the collapse… Clinton had a huge hand in it before and during Bush’s tenure.  Frankly I have  a good idea the whole fraudulent banking scheme started at least as early as LBJ, and all of the other presidents were just pawns in a giant banking system.

          • Anonymous

            Yes, thank you.
            I agree there is nothing “socialist” at all about Obama’s Romneycare act.  The Affordable Care Act sends everyone to capitalist health insurance companies, and there is no public (government) option at all.  The right-wingers claim that letting you keep your present insurance provider somehow constitutes “socialism.” 
            Even the individual mandate was originally proposed by a right-wing think tank, and was endorsed by Newt Gingrich, and put into practice by Mitt Romney.  The only reason the Republicans are now calling it “socialism” s because they don’t like the fact that a Democratic president succeeded in getting it passed.  They flip-flop and do anything else they can to try to destroy the president.

          • Anonymous

            you have not read the act, I have, and you are wrong

          • Anonymous

            Socialism is the collective (often governmental) ownership of the means of production.  No one is proposing socialism.  People who don’t know what “socialism” means shouldn’t use the word.

          • Anonymous

            “No one is proposing socialism.”
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            Why would they? They don’t have the guts to say it. They know that if they don’t, they at least have a chance to fool some of the people some of the time…all the while knowing they can’t fool all the people all of the time.

            Not now and not here, ever in The United States of America.

          • Anonymous

            100% correct… the politicians have been moving us toward socialism more and more every day, but they are even on record stating that they will NEVER admit that it is socialism, because if they did, they would never be reelected.
            how many dupes does it take to graduate from a public school, where the kids are all fed lies until none of them actually know what socialism is?

          • Anonymous

            Obviously the right-wingers don’t know what the word “socialism” means, because they use it for everyone who is less conservative than Attila the Hun.  But for all practical purposes there are no Socialists in the United States anymore (although there were still a few when I was young).  The last real Socialist of any prominence was Rev. Norman Thomas, a Presbyterian clergyman who was the Socialist Party candidate for president in 1932 and for a few more elections after that.  He died almost a half-century ago. 
            Socialism is long gone in the U.S. — but the new president of France is a Socialist.

          • Anonymous

            a rose is a rose, I do not care if you call it a peony.
            you don’t think that public schools are socialist?
            the only reason you do not think that, is because in your paradigm, schools are not things that a private person or company could own…. YES, my friend the state does OWN the public schools and they are socialist.
            The hospitals in Massachusetts are socialist, for the most part.  They are “privately owned” but they get much of their money from state and federal programs and they are heavily regulated… as i said above, why own somehting when you can regulate it and profit from it more than you would if you owned it.
            yes, health care, when i am forced with threat of jail, to pay for your kid’s ER visit, and your kid cannot be turned away, is socialist

          • Anonymous

            Fabian socialism, the slow march through the institutions.

            They’ve been making a lot of progress, the educrats in the forefront.

          • Anonymous

            Nobody is proposing socialism because nobody wants socialism.  I’m old enough to remember when there were some actual Socialists in the United States.  I knew some union men (United Electrical Workers) who were old Socialists.  I actually met Alger Hiss, who was accused of being a Communist, although he denied it to his gave.  When Franklin D. Roosevelt ran for president in 1932, the Socialist Party candidate, Rev. Norman Thomas, received nearly a million votes.
            But the Socialists are no more, and it is clear that socialism is a failed system.
            That doesn’t stop loud mouths like Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck from throwing the word “socialism” around as if it has no meaning, and is just an all-purpose insult for anyone who is less conservative than Attila the Hun.

          • Anonymous

            “But the Socialists are no more, and it is clear that socialism is a failed system.”
            *************************************************************************

            Incorrect, inasmuch that Bernie Sanders, VT is alive and kicking as a self-identified New England Socialist. He has plenty of ideologically matched others here in New England even though they aren’t as honest as Bernie in actually self-identifying for the very reasons as mentioned here.

            The axiom that supports the contemporary belief that “If someone says something it’s gotta be true.” can hereby be matched with “If someone doesn’t say something it must be false.” by following that very same contemporary logic.

          • Anonymous

            I do happen to know what it means and much like porn their are varying degrees that apply to the term.
            It would be vary difficult for the poster to accomplish any of the goals stated without moving a few more degrees into more socialism through greater government control/ownership.
            Proposing socialist programs is all you people seem to want to do.

          • Anonymous

            Well, I guess there are “varying degrees” of pregnancy, yet you can’t really be “a little bit pregnant.”
            Obama’s Romneycare Act, for instance, which sends everyone to capitalist health insurance companies, and provides no public (governmental) option at all, as been derided as “socialism” by the very people who championed the idea when it first came out of a right-wing think tank.   How does capitalism become socialism?  If the Democrats endorse capitalism, the Republicans call it socialism.  And if the Republicans say it, it must be true.
            It was the Heritage Foundation that came up with the idea of the individual mandate, Newt Gingrich who championed it as an alternative to the Clinton proposal, and Mitt Romney who put it into law in Massachusetts.  The Republicans loved it until Obama got it passed, and now they’ve flip-flopped and are calling it “socialism.” 
            It’s good when they do it, bad when the Democrats do the same thing.

          • Anonymous

            Wow!  Change of topic much?
            No matter how many random politicians you point to who have compromised their principles in order to get by or get re-elected nothing justifies what was done via obamacare.  When the Federal Government forces the population to buy a product, that is the worst sort of tyranny, and yes, doing it as a form of social reform is socialism and it the main justification for socialist style laws like the welfare State system we presently live in.  All put in place to fight poverty, and all doing a horrible job at it.

          • Anonymous

            We were discussing the inablity of right-wingers to use the word “socialism” correctly.  So, no, I did not change the topic. 
            When the Republicans propose something, it’s called capitalism.  When the Democrats favor the same thing, the Republicans flip-flop and call it socialism.  Romneycare and the individual mandate is a case in point. The Republican right came up with the idea. It allows all the health care business to go to capitalist insurance companies.
            It was called “capitalism” when the Republicans came up with the idea. the only reason you call it “socialism” now is that you flip-flopped because Obama has endorsed your idea.

          • Anonymous

            sure, why own it if you can tax the heck out of it, have no responsibility for its upkeep and benefit from it more than the actual owner?
            who “OWNS” it?

          • quit yer whining

            Lets take a fast look at your hero Obamas rate of spending Then come back and tell me why has it been that starting with Roosevelt that the Democrats have always been the welfare collectors heros?

            The facts are there I suggest trying less of that koolaid  

        • Anonymous

          Ya, and then you celebrate how the TeaPublicans destroy the middle class with their war on the middle class and their endless list of giving our tax dollars to the already-rich in numerous ways. If Jesus Christ could see the horrid rotten corrupt ultra radical hypocritcal disgusting GOP in action, he would never stop throwing up.

          • Anonymous

            Really?   Because year after year, conservatives blow away liberals when it comes to charitable giving on a personal level.   Why, in your view, must charitable giving be an impersonal act, taken via extortion by the state, instead of a personal gift of love, which is what Jesus was really after?

            By the way, seeing as you apparently ascribe some authority to certain parts of the Scriptures, do you also ascribe authority to Christ’s words regarding humanity’s lost, sinful condition and His sacrifice on behalf of all mankind?

          • Anonymous

            Gifts to charity of huge amounts of money by the super-rich in order to gain tax deductions is not really what ol’ JC had in mind in that mythology.

          • Anonymous

            If it’s mythology, how can you be so sure of what a mythological character would want? 

            What parts of Scripture do you take literally and why?

          • Anonymous

            None, because there is no reason to believe them. I can understand and accept the value of some of the lessons in morality in there, but only the parts that can be backed up by logic and common sense. I see no reason to shun wearing clothing made from more than one kind of fabric, and no reason to avoid shaving or getting a tattoo, for example.

          • Anonymous

            How do you know their reasons for giving?
            Are you saying Democrats don’t give because they don’t want tax exemptions?

          • Anonymous

            In general, Republicans are wealthier than Democrats. Therefore they have more disposable money to give to charities, resulting in the discrepancy. I give time and services, as well as a little money. Time and services are technically deductible, but I don’t make enough money to itemize, so my donations of time and services go uncounted. I’ll continue to give, though, because it’s very satisfying to help out those less fortunate. Not because some bronze-age mythology promises me an imaginary paradise.

          • Anonymous

            And not because some dictator TOOK it from you to distribute as he pleased and to whom he pleased.
            The government needs to get out of the charity business.

          • Anonymous

            Steven King would fall into that category, wouldn’t he?

        • Anonymous

          Agreed. It IS about the numbers and this is a good start to closing the gap that was created and left for this administration. The attack on Maine working families will begin to slow hopefully. Maine has a relatively small population and with over 300,000 getting assistance, that means about a third of Maine residents receive assistance of some sort. That is a larger percentage for others struggling to make ends meet to support.

        • Anonymous

          Well said, GREAT COMMENT. 

        • Anonymous

           Well whats good for the goose is you too for it also will effect your life too.  For you need to go back in time and look at the time when the Republicans was in and we all didn’t have money  for they took all of the funds from the programs they cut and our children and old lost a great deal. So I guest your rich and living on the high of the hog. So I say this everyone that gets in is a liar to us all and you get what you weep. As an older person living on a fix income try walking in my shoes and live off pension and Security that you have to pay rent that is $750 let alone your heat and electric and can’t even have a car or a house and as for medicine which is high in price and you have to just stay well. Maybe we should have you pay for our funeral since you think were rich like you and all the rest of the so call republicans and others.  You forget we pay for their so call life of living.  So guest what with the cuts this so call governors did think where the that money is going and its not in the best for us Maine people.  How do think they get their so call increase  from the back of cuts of program that can help our children etc. So I would think you had a brain to figure that out.  That is why I listen to what everyone says and do for if you took time and listen and read in between the lines you know that you have just been lie too and sucker in.

    • Anonymous

      “Cutting services to the most vulnerable is not wise and is not solving the problem.”  And your solution to the problem would be…[please tell us]

      • Guest

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    • Anonymous

      vulnerable, schmulnerable.
      you use adjectives to help your case.
      use facts instead.
      how about if CHARITIES were to help out and not mandated charities?
      let me give MY money to MY church and let the sisters or the brothers, or the old hens with nothing better to do work in the soup kitchen.
      why does the state get to threaten me with jail time if I do not want to pay into the mandatory charities?

      I would like to see the tables turned.  I would like to see a state law that made it illegal for an Ethiopian natioal or a person from Biddeford to be allowed to have a job.  THEY MUST live in seciton 8 housing and THEY MUST take food stamps, but they MUST NOT EARN MONEY.
      if that law were enacted, everyone would scream bloody murder…. instead, the Dems who know how to spend my money better than I do enable the welfare addicts and make it impossible for them to get off the dole… keeping them completely dependant on the government.  (same effect as the law, just a different way of doing it).

      either way, the government creates a whole class of worthless leeches

  • Anonymous

    The hyperbole of the democrats is just so they can win the “emotion card” with voters.  These changes were needed and the Republicans were grown up enough to put their foot down and make the responsible choices.  Thank you GOP!

    • Anonymous

      Thank you GOP!……..And out you go come November!!!!!!!!

      • Anonymous

        Yes the GOP has got to go. They are  the American peoples’ greatest enemy.

      • Guest

        That would be the sixth.

      • Anonymous

        Only ones going by by will be the Obamas and the left wing idiots who cant accept that the state and Feds are broke. 

        Time to rationalize things and cut to make the budget balance. And to those who dont like it,  Get A Job!

        • Anonymous

          why do you thinkwe are broke????? it’s the big banks and fatcats and wars sucking money from us all.  get real and face the real culprits and demand accountability from THEM.  why did ‘we’ bail THEM OUT????GORE VIDAL SAID IT BEST:

          “there’s one political party in u.s.: the property party, with two right wings-the democrats and republicans.”  and it thrives on creating division among us ‘common people.’  

          • Anonymous

            According to the Tax Foundation study as of 2005, Maine ranked at 38th for paying Federal taxes yet we are 13th in receiving money back from them. For every dollar Maine sends to the Feds it gets about $1.41 back in return. How much more do you want?

      • Anonymous

        Here is what I don’t understand. I get that there are Democrats, and there are Republicans, and they just naturally do not like one another. But what I do not understand how people can legitimately sit there and have such distaste for an administration that has yet to show any real results, be it negative or positive, and instead have the desire to elect in people who will continue with the same policies that have got this state absolutely no where over the past 40 years.

        This state has seriously high tax rates for everyone, this state has a very serious welfare problem, this state has a very serious problem with lack of employment, and a serious problem with keeping our tax base. Now assuming you agree with such statements, I do not understand why you do not like an administration that for the first time in a long time, is attempting to actually do something about it. Forget biases, and typical political speech filled with lies and misconceptions. The current goal of this administration is to reduce/eliminate welfare fraud and maintain and stabilize a welfare system for those who actually need it. They are reducing taxes for nearly all Maine taxpayers, and are creating business friendly policies that will create jobs, keep the youth and future tax base in Maine.

        • Anonymous

           I’m currently going to college to get a degree in human development and family studies with a minor in psychology.  I am also going to get family life educator certified.  I have experience and I know my stuff.  I currently work for Penquis so I had assumed I would get one of the many jobs in my area for Penquis when I graduated so I could help to insure that as many children as possible grow up with a good family life.

          All of the jobs in that area are going to be cut when I graduate in less than a year.  Most of the similar jobs I had thought about will be laying people off.  The ones that won’t will have all of the more-experienced resently laid off people to hire.

          So I guess I can’t really see this as a job-creating government. 

          I have other people I know who are/will be in the same boat.  We will all be moving out of state after graduation.  It sucks to say goodbye to the only place I’ve ever known.  However, it beats having to work a job I’m over-qualified for.

          • Anonymous

            all these folks keep saying ‘get a job’ when there’s not much sustainable to choose from.  i hope you get to stay here and do the helpful work which you’ve been preparing.  in philadelphia they’re talking about privatizing schools which cost around $1500/5000$ (?)year per student and instead, which will probably speed the ‘schools to jails’ pipeline. the latter costs taxpayers $30,000 per year per prisoner.

          • Anonymous

            Perhaps you could enroll in the electrician technology or automotive technology programs at EMCC. Great place to go to school and very high placement rates.

          • Guest

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          • Anonymous

            True, but if she really wants to stay in the Penquis area, EMCC is an option that might help her to do it. She could then dabble in human development and psychology as a passion rather than as an avocation.

          • Anonymous

            However, I’m not good at either of those things.  Plus, in response to and the other person who told me to get another degree I already have student loans for this one.  I do not think it’s a good idea to take out more student loans.

            Also, Penquis is an organization that used to hire a lot of people in my area.  That’s why I wanted to work for Penquis.  (They laid off a lot of people a year ago and cut some programs…now they are getting more cuts)

          • Anonymous

            You are but one of the thousands of people being ‘trained’ to enter the welfare field built around ‘verbal’ counseling. The human service market is ‘glutted’ with people like yourself, people with a variety of counseling degrees and all reimbursable by Maine Care. Schools, for example, who greatly expanded their counseling staffs over the past few decades are now cutting back, eliminating jobs you would have been eligible for.

            The government has reached the end of what was once unlimited funding; and the UMS ‘factories’ churning out people like yourself are beginning realize their gravy train is coming to halt.

            Unfortunately, all the single moms getting trained to be LC’s haven’t been told that human service providers are cutting way back and there are very few jobs; but shown how to fill out student loan applications. 

            Time to seriously consider a second degree in a ‘hard service’ field and demand that your college assure you there will be a job waiting when you graduate…or get ready for a job providing assisted living services… or hospice work.

          • Anonymous

             My degree is in human development and family studies…not counseling.  I never said I’m going into counseling.  I would not get reimbursed by Maine Care.  I would be working for an organization such as Penquis though…which has been receiving huge cuts. I’m going into preventative services to families.  I would be helping children who can’t help themselves.  I would be helping their families to get in better places and by helping their children to do well I would be creating a better future. 

            The jobs I’m talking about are being expanded currently in many states as the research shows that they have been helpful.  I will not be an LC I will be CFLE, meaning I will not be eligible for the jobs you are talking about.

            But hey…thanks for giving advice to a person you don’t know when you don’t even understand my situation even though I explained it in my post.  I think I will not be taking your advice and will rather be moving to MA when I graduate as I know there are jobs there.  I am just saying that I am sure that other educated people, like myself, also wish that they could stay here but can’t because the jobs in our areas are getting cut.

        •  W Bush and his tribe, broke all of the States including Maine. If current administration wants to curb welfare fraud look at Nutting he stole more than the entire state in terms of fraud and was rewarded by GOP. His buddy bought a camper w state money and Charlie covered for him. Lets trust these Christians they pray at State House after-all.

    • Anonymous

      It’s pretty obvious that you or your family are not affected by these cuts. My 84 year old mother will have to now pay $400+ from her fixed income of less than $1500.00 a month, over half of which goes to housing,  to keep her health insurance and pay for her many meds. Of course no one ever talks about making health care providers rein in their costs. The poor now have to suffer so hospital CEO’s can keep their 6 figure plus salaries and hospitals keep building, building, building. Making some real strutural changes to Medicaid like managed care or a PCPproposal would make much more sense the slash and burn.

      • Anonymous

         Don’t lose heart just yet.  It’s not a done deal.  The Republicans may be struttin’ around like a pack of proud roosters but the only real thing they’ve accomplished today is proving they’re a bunch of LePage boot lickers.

        • Anonymous

          What we are supposed to continue to fund these failed programs.  It is breaking our state and is always causing a massive budget shortfall every year.  When are we going to get these lazy couch potatoes a job.  All these folks are is nothing more than a drain on the taxpayer and on society.  We are driving good jobs and our young people out so we can maintain an Unaffordable Welfare and Nanny State.  When instead we should be investing in job and business growth , wealth , and lowering taxes to keep our citizen’s here.  I like others wouldn’t mind investing in that.  What I like other working folks refuse to continue to do is investing in is the current Welfare Haven we have now.

          • Anonymous

            I never said that the taxpayers should pay for lazy welfare slackers.  I don’t think it’s right to make such severe cuts on the backs of the truly needy (the elderly and disabled). The welfare moochers have got to go.  I bet if they did get rid of them the amount of money the state would save would be staggering.

            Yes, the state absolutely needs to focus on bringing good paying jobs to Maine (and that’s something that LePage is not doing).  He likes to focus on trashing our weakest citizens and giving out tax breaks for the rich.  Hopefully the next governor will actually do something to bring jobs to this state and will force the welfare slackers get one.   
             

          • Anonymous

            What welfare breaks have been given to the Rich?  I keep you hearing people on your side saying that.  Also, please define the rich here in Maine and how much money are we losing to those horrible working people.  The only Rich people I know in this state come here in the summer and go away when the snow flys.

          • Anonymous

            Actually , the state of Maine has more than 22,000 millionaires according to the new census.

          • Anonymous

            To put it in perpsective, as of 2006 data that I saw, Maine ranks 39th in millionaires per capita and 29th in per capita income. It also all depends on the definition of “rich”. It’s usually defined as “liquid” assets not including retirement plans.

          • Anonymous

            And what % rate do you think we should be taxing them at?
            Follow that up with how many you think will still pay taxes in Maine after you hike their taxes to your preferred tax rate.

          • Guest

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          • Anonymous

            And yet you choose not to answer the majority of what I asked.
            How much should we take from them as opposed to the people who pay no income tax?
            Is 100% too much?
            After all they are just naturally rich and don’t deserve to be right?
            What tax breaks were they given so far and what % are they paying now?

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          • Anonymous

            Our highest bracket starts at 19K a year.  Those are the people who got the last tax cut and I assure you I do not consider myself wealthy.
            What we need to do is stop spending so much money on those who do not need it.
            Stop the Methadone treatments at our expense.
            Stop providing them with transportation to and from treatments
            Stop the whole frigging program and put that money towards “the children”.

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          • Anonymous

            The issues involving abuse of the system and investigation of abuse have already been addressed and are being addressed.  This latest effort is one meant to put us more in line with benefits provided by other states.  I do not believe that their is any reason for us to be doing more when we as residents have so much less to give.
            I’m hoping to see the methadone issue addressed in future sessions.

          • Guest

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          • Anonymous

            Methadone did not decrease our crime rate I don’t see why it would decrease it.  The 2 year limit is much better than the drug addict for life system they were running at our expense.

          • Guest

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          • Anonymous

            Either way it is not my responsibility to pay for their poor choices.

      • TiredMainer

        Your mother will not be included in the cuts. If her income is $1,500 per month that means her yearly income is $18,000. The cuts to low cost prescription drug program apply only to those that have yearly incomes exceeding $19,000. Your mother should see absolutely no changes in her health benefits.

        • Anonymous

          Except it’s not the DEL I’m worried about. It’s the Medicare savings plan which pays her Medicare and provides supplemental coverage as well as pays for Rx.

      • Anonymous

        May I ask what you or members of your immediate family are doing(financially) to help out your 84 YO mother?

        • Anonymous

          Actually I financially help her quite a bit considering I’m on a fixed income myself. Bet that surprises you doesn’t it.

          • Anonymous

            Actually, it pleases me to hear you say that you do indeed assist her financially.  There are many who expect to depend on State and Federal governments completely for care provided to their elders rather than viewing government assistance as supplemental.

      • Anonymous

        Pondlady, but of course you will help your dear mother with the expenses she can’t afford.
        Right?

    • Guest

      GOP?. Not any more.

      Teabullies now. Gone in November.

      • Anonymous

        Be very careful what you wish for.  Because now that Gay Marriage II is on the ballot it will draw out alot of folks who oppose it and oppose the Democrat agenda.  If you think LePage is gone because of Democrats were to be in power haha your only kidding yourselves.  Because it would need Republican votes to ever remove him and its not happening. But since Gay Marriage II is on the ballot the legislative races will be very close.

        • Anonymous

           I’m registered as a republican.  I will be voting NO on LePage because he doesn’t think about the long-term enough and I have seen nothing he has done pay of so far.

          I will also be voting YES on gay marriage.  Why?  Because family values make things safer.  Because growing up in a family helps you to grow up well.  Because I support gay adoption and this makes that more likely. (I support gay adoption because I’m against abortion and being in foster care sucks).  Plus, having less children in foster care is good for society and the economy.  Also, it will give second parents in gay families rights to the children they have spent their lives raising should their relationship with their partner not work out.

        • Anonymous

          Unfortunately for you, gay marriage being on the ballot is the reason there will be a large liberal voter turnout in November and those people will not be voting for the anti-people, pro-business candidates like your beloved Republicans. We’ll see you in November. Like my Dad used to say years ago when Bangor beat Brewer  in footbal, “I’ll have the crying towel ready for you.”

          • Anonymous

            The North Carolina vote was a wake up call to gay activists that their surveys are biased and skewed by the many people who tell them what they want to hear and then vote the way they really believe in the voting booth. 

            This vote has sent shock waves around the country, and with the shrinking liberal vote—more and more people are claiming to be conservative, and more are beginning to see less of a role for the government and growing resentment over bigger government.  

            In case you haven’t noticed, the media have suddenly turned against Obama and are seriously digging into his background; his numbers among core supporters are way down, etc. 

            This will resonate in Maine; and big bucks pro-gay campaigns funded by outside rich activists are resented by Mainers who resist having their vote ‘bought’. 

            …and it’s o.k. to be deep in denial, just don’t count on a victory.

        • Guest

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    • Anonymous

      So true, it takes a real adult to cut the elderly from their drug programs.

    • Ben Hutchins

       Yes, it takes true strength to kick people who were already down.

      • Anonymous

         Down..for YEARS of Maine Care??  And no getting back up?  Were their legs cut off too?

        Poor people.  Let’s just support them the rest of their lives.

        • Anonymous

          I agree, let them go die.  When they start knockin your door down to steal from you, you can shoot them point blank.

          • Anonymous

             So your argument is, “Keep providing for these leaches, or else they will come steal from you?” 

            Sadly, that has become the mentality in Maine.  Just look at the number of houses that have been stripped of their copper pipes.  The replacement value to repair the piping is four-fold what the thieves get at a scrap metal yard.

            Excellent argument (sarcasm purposely inserted).

          • Anonymous

            No, that is not my ‘argument’.  There is no work except minimum wage jobs with no benefits.  Mom and dad both have to have jobs to make a livable wage.  It is impossible to survive today for the majority of people.  48% of americans are eligible for food stamps.  That is roughly 1 in 5.  They cannot afford food, let alone health care.  You lay that to laziness and being ‘leeches’, as you claim, but I lay it to the fact that there is no opportunity except dead end jobs, 2 of which you have to have to just get by, nof frills, no food even.  Do you expect folks to lay down and die?  I’d be stripping copper out of homes too  instead of  laying down and dieing.   Pres. Obama tried to do something about the health care debacle but was unable to do much because of a republican do nothing congress that thinks pretty much like you do.   What’s your solution?  Wait til they come to your door then shoot them?

    • Steve Anderson

      Yes, thank you GOP for throwing our most vulnerable citizens under the bus! Such heroism!

    • Anonymous

      They don’t need to use, as you call it, the emotion card. These cuts speak for themselves, and what the members who voted for it stand for. If you don’t have any elderly or disabled people in your life, you won’t much care that they voted for this budget. But if you do, and it affects their quality of life, you may change that victory tune you’ve been whistling.
      Hell, if the waivers don’t get approved, you may need to stop whistling that victory song completely.

  • Anonymous

    I hope theses 19 people that voted in favor of this appalling passage of this budget one day know what it is to live paycheck to paycheck…experience what it feels like to have to chose between buying medication they need or buying fuel to keep their house warm during Maines winters….and welcome a child into their lives that has a disability that wipes their bank accounts clean because their medical insurance caps out what it pays-if it even pays at all-for the services the child needs….maybe then they will understand the ignorance of their absurd support of this budget. They should have weaned out the people that dont belong on this program before voting on this…

    • Anonymous

      The problem with that is that no matter what these 19 people do in the future they’ll have a nice fat pension and free healthcare compliments of the taxpayers of Maine.  They will not have to worry about how to pay medical bills or where their next meal is coming from.

      Yes, you’re right, the gravy train for the lazy should have been derailed years ago let alone now.  Perhaps if that had been dealt with in the past we wouldn’t be in such a mess now.

      • Anonymous

        Maine state legislators do not receive pensions or healthcare for life.  Get your facts straight.

      • Anonymous

        doour reps really get free healthcare from people of maine?

    • Anonymous

       Mainemom,

      If your post is how the situation really is, then I will gladly give my taxes to subsidize whatever disability your child has.  Autism, mental retardation and other significant afflictions can be very costly to treat and support. 

      However, some like to lump into this category other things like:  ADHD, hyperactivity disorder and all of those other 2000+ juvenile afflictions.  In my opinion(and I get to give my opinion, since I’m paying for it) those don’t require government assistance, which is given now.  They do require good, and sometimes extra parenting.  When my kids are in my presence, I am constantly interacting with them.  I tell them when they do something good and when they do something bad.  None of them need medication.  Sometimes they just need a good parent-child talk.

      If your child falls into my first paragraph (since you didn’t mention the specific disability), then you have my support (sincerely).  If the second paragraph, then not so much. 

      • Anonymous

        Why not just give to United Way? They do a far better and much more frugal job of putting money in the hands of people doing geniune good for those in need, than the government.

        • Anonymous

           Easy answer:  Because I give enough already to social programs, by way of paying taxes.  I am middle class and OVERTAXED.  Ain’t no money left for the United Way, my friend

  • Anonymous

    Why are they passing cuts that will need a federal waiver?  I thought that the Feds already said that the chances of them approving such drastic cuts is next to zilch. 

    • Anonymous

      It’s called posturing during an election year.  You are correct – most of these cuts will not happen.  

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    • Anonymous

      Who cares what the NOBAMA administration thinks their Socialist Healthcare Policies including NOBAMACARE will be history in June.  It will be the first of a number of  defeats Obama gets this year.  LePage has to run this state within limits Mainers can actually afford.  We can’t afford to have close to 70% of Mainers on Full Welfare or Welfare with Unemployment.  It is not sustainable.  What we need to do is invest in the private sector and working folks.  Things that Liberals have no concept of and no clue about.  Liberals would rather continue to see us dirt poor and all own Welfare.

      • Anonymous

        Keep ranting.  Come November, the TeaPublican anti-Christian party is going to get SMASHED TO SMITHEREENS at the voting booth.

      • Anonymous

         I agree that Maine needs major welfare reform, but drastic cuts shouldn’t be done on the backs of the truly needy citizens (the elderly and disabled).  It’s time to kick the slackers and the baby machines off the welfare rolls (something that should have been done years ago).

        Yes, I agree that the state needs to seriously invest in bringing jobs to the state.  Something that LePage has not made a priority.  I guess he’s been too busy slamming our weakest citizens, handing out jobs to his family members, giving out tax breaks to the wealthy, making obnoxious speeches, and let’s not forget about the luxurious Jamaican vacations he takes.  Such a busy man!

         I am not a liberal, a Republican or a Democrat, and I don’t have any use for Obama or Obamacare (or LePage for that matter).  There is no reason why the the budget can’t be balanced without destroying the lives of the ones who are genuinely in need. 

      • Anonymous

        We can’t afford a tax cut either, but he’s proposing another one. That extra $10 I might get back in my state taxes, certainly does not justify my mother having to pay $400 plus for her Medicare,health insurance and prescriptions. But I forget, they’re not going to hurt the elderly or children. But all you care about is catergorizing people and whine about being the only person in the world to have to pay taxes. I’m guessing based on your comments you are not dirt poor due to taxes, you just hate people who need a helping hand.

  • PabMainer

    My family is one of the good “hardworking families of Maine” that you claim is being “attacked” by cutting gov’t spending Sen. Bartlett……I cannot disagree any more with your claim…..allowing the state’s budget to get to this point to where it cannot be adequately funded and sustained is an attack on me and mine and as an elected official I expect you to be more accountable with my monies……these programs are out of control and responsible government is the only way to begin to reign in this budget mess we find ourselves with…..it’s time to reconcile the books and it will hurt for a time but will benefit the hardworking families of Maine in the process…..

    • Guest

      You don’t know what you’re talking about.

      • PabMainer

        Why don’t you explain my own opinion to me then and be clear in what I don’t know…..

    • Anonymous

      I am glad you have thatr attitude!  I am certain you will have the same attitude next Fall when the kind majority of voters in the State of Maine elect representatived with a little more compassion for ALL the citizens of Maine instead of just the greedy.  The Tea Potty and the Repubs have shown their true colors.  LePage is the best advocate for the Dems they could find. Everyone can now see why the Repubs have been kept in the minority for 40 years and hopefully for another 40.  When people are left to suffer, we all suffer.

      • Anonymous

         Dear gsgofer,

        Many of the “people who are left to suffer,” as you call them, get up around noonish, sit on their fat duffs the rest of the day playing XBox 360 and then decide to go to the local Hannafid’s to get some Kraft Mac n’ Cheese for suppa (using their Maine Card). 

        Look in the classified section of the BDN this weekend.  There are plenty of jobs in the general section.  Many of us started in those jobs.  I bagged groceries, pumped gas and bartended (all in the same time period) to get my start.

        A little hard work goes a long way. 

        • Anonymous

          Because of our Governor’s changes in the healthcare laws, there is a lot of people who can’t afford insurance. They need medicines and in some cases extended care. You would just as soon throw them to the wolves to punish someone who you have judged as abusing the system. I too have worked all my life and worked as a bag boy and even dug graves when I had to to make ends meet.  That didn’t stop me from helping those who needed it though.  If there are abusers in the system I would say that is a shortcomming of the system and I certainly don’t think all who need help are lazy and freeloaders and worthy of the disrespect the Governor and the Tea Potty give them!  It is a sick society that can’t/won’t take care of their young and old.  Even the chimpanzees do that.

          • Anonymous

             I, and many others agree, that it is the young and the old that we want to protect, and that is who we should be protecting.  You and I will be there one day, as you know. 

            What is known, but not fully, is the HUGE  number of freeloaders that we have on the system.  The number is HUGE.  There is no denying that.

            I am all in favor of my tax dollars going toward food and medicine that is needed, but when  my hard earned money is going to slouches who get up at 3 pm and then smoke pot the rest of the day, yup, I have a problem with that.

          • Anonymous

            I guess that’s where you and the Governor disagree.  He doesn’t want to help anyone with less than a 6 digit income.  He has made that obvious.

          • Anonymous

            What has he done for the rich?  I keep hearing that he is giving them huge tax breaks.  Show me some.

          • Anonymous

            The tax breaks which he pushed through last year amounted to somewhere in the neighborhood of $79 million.  It works out to a savings of $70 per year for a family earning $35,000 and $2905 for a family earning $350,000. Percentage wise, that’s 4 times the savings for the rich.  He also pushed through the change in the inheritance tax raising the threshold by $1 million.

          • Anonymous

            Doesn’t the family earning $350k pay 10 times more tax than the family making $35k?

          • Anonymous

            And rightfully so.  If a person pays 4 times as much in taxes why shouldn’t an equal percentage tax break show that they save 4 times as much?  Are you claiming the people who make $35K are rich and should not have gotten a Tax Break?
            I like the flat tax of 10% myself.  If you made $1000 last year you should have to pay $100 to the Government.  10% for all, no exemptions for anyone, why isn’t that fair?

          • Anonymous

            Evidence of the “hugeness” of this problem?

  • Anonymous

    oh, and another thing….perhaps if the state didnt have 3 different branches of Mainecare asking me the same questions, filling out the same paperwork to prove my sons autism hasnt miraculously cured itself-three times a year…this could save them money….Mainceare needs to be re-organized….that will save tons of money.

    • Anonymous

      How about the waste of money they are paying out for postage to send out the mass mailings of junk mail to all mainecare recipients.

  • Anonymous

    Aren’t the tea party republicans the ones who have been complaining about “kicking the can down the road”? Isn’t that exactly what they are doing knowing that the Feds have already told them that waivers will not be approved?

  • Anonymous

    It’s an excellent start, but needs to go further. Thanks Maine Senators.

    • Anonymous

       Good comment.  There can only be so many on the public dole and for so long before it becomes top-heavy and collapses.  That is where we are now. 

      Allow it for a short time, if needed.  At the same time, provide a copy of the BDN classified section showing all of the jobs under the general section.  Point out to them that a person CAN carry two jobs, if motivated.  Some of us have been there.

      As an anecdote, I see a young man in my town carrying two jobs.  In the morning, he works at the place where I get my coffee.  In the evening, he works at the new restaurant in town.  This young man is properly motivated by not wanting to be broke.  This used to be the American way.

      • Anonymous

        Ya, but you love to dole out our money to the oil corporations, and the military industrial complex, and unending tax cuts for millionaires and billionaires so they can hide it in the Caymans, and on and on and.  The corrupt Republican way:  attack the poor and middle class, and sell America off to your billionaire masters.  Enough to make anyone sick.

        • Anonymous

          You do know that most of us are also against all of the things you keep mentioning in your silly repeat posts like the one above right?

          • Anonymous

             College kids & Maine people alliance mostly with a smattering of old time lefties.

          • Anonymous

            how against them are you? are you protesting them somewhere to try to make a difference ? why is the former post ‘silly’? he/she makes the crucial point. get the money from the 1% leeches, not poor kids.

          • Anonymous

            Speaking for myself, the act of protesting has forever been tarnished by the anarchists and leftist loons that is the Occupy movement. You might see me at a Tea Party protest, however, as they are conducted lawfully, respectfully, and cleanly.

          • Anonymous

            Hmmmmmm, have you forgotten all those “town meetings” that the t’ers shouted down speakers?Respectful? I think not!

          • Anonymous

            what are the odds that the rowdies were planted by the left?
            happens all the time where I have been.

          • Anonymous

            Right, the r’s would NVER stoop to do something like that! They’re too ethical for that!They’d never lie about voter fraud or anything.! What was I thinking ?

          • Guest

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          • Narsbars

             Yeah, we have seen the pictures of the mock lynchings, the guns, the screaming and shouting down any opposing voice.

          • Anonymous

            Actually yes I have but not with your occupy group.  I am not looking for more free stuff I am looking to get your hands out of my pockets.  As for the 1% leaches as you wish to call them, very many of them are the only ones creating jobs in this country.  Your poor kids certainly aren’t hiring.  The 1% leaches as you call them are the only ones really paying taxes, your poor kids pay no income tax at all.

          • Guest

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          • Anonymous

            These cuts are aimed at those who are not the most at risk.  These cuts are aimed at those who can and should pay for their own services to some extent.
            The most at risk are those with no source of income.  
            These cuts are aimed at those who make at least 19K a year.
            These cuts are aimed at putting us more in line with what the rest of the nation does and not at expanding a program that we can afford to pay for.

          • Anonymous

            The total elimination of the Elderly low cost drug program will impact elderly who desperately need  help paying for medication. They are the most at risk.

          • Anonymous

            They are obviously not the most at risk if we chose a better use for our very limited funds.  We can not provide everything for everyone.

          • Anonymous

            Like Warren Buffett paying less in taxes than his secretary?

          • Anonymous

            If you wish to pay math games and tax his investments as well as his actual income that could sure look that way.  The reality is that is his company pays taxes.  He pays income taxes on the income he gets, at the appropriate levels.  And his investments sit there not getting taxed the same way my 401K does.  If you wish to tax investments before anyone withdraws them then you are going to see a bigger market crash than you have ever seen before.
            The fuzzy math game he agreed to play so that Obama would give him the rail contract to transport oil from Canada to the Gulf and Kill the keystone pipeline deal has been exposed for quite awhile now.

          • sassyfrazz

             I don’t understand how someone could completely avoid paying taxes (income or otherwise) altogether unless they work under the table and cheat.  Yes, I’m aware there are many of those out there.  

            Let’s use an example of a typical “carries 2 jobs” minimum wage (what is it now $7.25 an hour)?

            Let’s say he works 20 at one job and 30 at another for a total of 50 hours per week.  Neither will pay overtime obviously.  Let’s see…that means he will gross $387.50.  Neither job will even offer medical insurance, so god forbid he have an injury.  He’ll have in the vicinity of $90 taken off the top for Federal and State taxes leaving roughly $300 per week to live on.  Sure, he can get some (or all depending on what tax bracket he’s in) but the feds and the state will ‘borrow’ it and earn interest on if for a bit first.  He will be unable to avoid paying into his medicare fund (and it probably will be broke by the time he retires anyway).  He will basically have no tax deductions (like a deduction for homeowners on their property taxes for example).

            So let’s say this kid is making just enough money to register a beater car that a relative gives him. He can pay sales tax, excise tax, and gas taxes to run it just like the rest of us. 

            If he buys foods that are considered ‘prepared’ he can pay 7% sales tax on that just like the rest of us.   Clothes, furniture, or any other taxable expense he pays will be subject to a 5% sales tax.  Business owners can deduct these expenses from their income – Joe Schmo cannot (with the exception of medical expenses which he will be unlikely to incur because he can’t pay a $300 (lowballing that figure obviously) bill and has no insurance.

            If he has 3 roommates to divide the monthly payment of a realtively decent apartment (which will typically run at least $1200 unless it’s a total dive operated by a slumlord) his payment is going toward his landlord’s property taxes just like the rest of us.

            If he and those 3 roommates are lucky enough to pool together a downpayment on a mobile home (with park fees)  he will pay property taxes on it, and his landlord will take his lot rental and pay property taxes with it.  Mobile homes are NOT privy to the homeowner’s deduction that those who own houses currently enjoy btw.

          • Anonymous

            So what you’re saying is the poor chap will have to scrape by the way I did when I was young and starting out?
            Heaven forbid.  
            I had to join the Corps to get out of  the county because there was no money for college, I had to make my own way working days and school at nights and then I had to spend 20 years struggling to get where I am now.
            The poor thing is going to have to go through all of that?
            Heaven forbid!

          • Narsbars

             You avoided the point. The guy pays taxes, everyone pays taxes. Is that simple enough for you?

          • Anonymous

            He does not pay taxes, he gets it all back, the same sa I did.  PAID implies what you lost and did not get back.  You are being a little too obtuse while claiming to keep it simple.  You want a simple system?  How’s this one for you?
            You make $100 you pay $10 up front every week according to your pay and no exemptions for anyone.  No more IRS and very few accountants left.

          • Anonymous

            thanks… above I posted the question… WHY Warren buffet was willing to go on record lieing about how much money he pays in taxes… I knew that it was well-orchestrated to get him some sorts of benefits from the Dems

          • Narsbars

             You got the answer. He did not lie.

          • Anonymous

            read what I wrote up above.
            He paid 35% as corporate tax, THEN he paid 21% on his dividends, that is over 50% total, and he knew it when he lied about not paying as high a percentage as his secretary… that is really beside the point… Obama was trying to get the country to focus on percentage of income… when, in my opinion, we should be paying based on what we use…
            I am sure he pays a thousand times more taxes than his secretary, but he surely does not use 1000 times the resources of the government.
            why are you swallowing the “percentage of income” garbage?

            last, tell me how he did not lie… if you can

          • Anonymous

            He pays a lower tax rate not less tax,

          • Anonymous

            Buffet’s Poor Victim Secretary: Her  yearly income is estimated between $200,000 and $500,000.Obama doesn’t want it to go Public, where the “Common People” can find out. However, we’re not morons out here.

            When I was working, it would take me close to 13 years to match the poor victimized secretary’s yearly income.  Now that I’m retired, 19 years would have to go by for me to match the secretary’s yearly income.

          • Anonymous

            this was such a lie.
            he OWNS a corporation that pays a 35% corporate tax rate… that is HIS money paid at 35%… THEN when he gets his “capital gain” he pays another 21%, or about 16 percent of the total profits.
            so while he said that he paid 20% and his secretary paid more, he lied and he knows it.  He actually paid about 51% of the profits from the corporation in US taxes.

            hook line and sinker!
            what i wonder is what kinds of tax breaks he got for lieing publically about this sort of bs

          • Narsbars

             My money is making their riches possible. My money support the military might that keeps the rich safe. Time for the leeches to pay the same rate I pay, time for them to pay more. The more this country has given you, the more you owe this country.

          • Anonymous

            You really believe that as a Marine I only kept the rich safe?
            The “leeches” who should be paying the same rate as you do are not the rich.  I assuure yout that while you might actually pay hundrends they pay hundreds  of thousands.  The top 1% pay most of the tax money that our goverment takes in.  The bottom 50% “the leeches” pay nothing.

          • Why not organize a bunch of deadbeat kids to Occupy public places?  Oh, wait, that was already a failure.

          • Anonymous

            The sad fact is the politicians making these ‘necessary’ cuts are some of biggest liars, cheaters, and thiefs of tax payer dollars and if not for the pain of the elderly that have lost their Mainecare it would be laughable. 5% of the people on Mainecare spend 55% of the funds. Think about it. Tinserblics post has alot of merit with alot of Mainers.

          • Anonymous

            All Politicians are liars, cheats, and thieves, even the group we just kicked out that want back in power.  That has nothing whatsoever to do with the idea that we should stop feeding this monster.  For decades now we have pumped more and more money into this beast only to watch it grow.
            How big should we let it get?

        • Anonymous

          i agree; so why don’t folks make the connection and protest the entities spoken of here, instead of pulling the rug out from under the needy.?

        • Anonymous

          Ya, but you love to dole out our money to the welfare industrial complex….(fixed it)  ………….. and the squeals can be heard from all corners of the State.

        • Anonymous

          Take your blinders off…….Why not nationalize everything!!
          Lets all work for the  government in a 2-4 jobs and be happy!!

        • Anonymous

          campaign points from Mr mediocre in washington.

        • Anonymous

          So, your wonderful Ms Pingree and her Billionaire husband would never think of funneling their hedge funds millions through the U.S. Virgin Islands would they?

        • Anonymous

          apples and oranges.
          besides, the “billionaire” already paid more money in taxes, stop assuming that the rate he pays is what makes it fair, remember that it is the total amount

      • Anonymous

        Having been involved with Project Headstart for several years in a policy, planning and evaluation level I know full well that the program is top heavy with ‘overhead’. 

        Unfortunately, cutting funding won’t reform the program and deliver more money to direct service providers; but when the ‘teachers’ make min. wage; while the directors are making over $50k, some leveling MUST be forced on a program which once had no administrators, just a head teacher and an administrative aide. 

      • Anonymous

        Your talk about too many people being on “the dole” is simply wrong.  This budget does noting at all about “the dole.”  
        The Republican budget gives a big tax break to people who are receiving pensions, which might be a good idea if we could afford a new tax cut (I’m getting close to retirement myself).   But these tax breaks, at the present time, are irresponsible.   And the line items for these tax breaks are blank!
        This is a “balanced budget” in name only.   If the tax breaks are included, the Lewiston Sun Journal says “this budget would go from a supposed $6.5 million surplus to a likely $21 million deficit beginning in 2014.”  The budget also depends on the federal government giving some exemptions that it doesn’t give other states, an unlikely scenario.
        In order to give those new tax breaks, the budget cuts state services to children, the disabled, and the elderly.  Penny wise and dollar foolish, this budget would cut Head Start, mental health services, drugs for the elderly, foster care, home health visits to keep people out of nursing homes, and smoking cessation programs.   Do those things and it will wind up costing the state more in the long run.
        I respect Sen. Rosen and the others who worked on this budget, but they came up with a seriously flawed budget.  I urge the legislature to vote “no” on the budget and go back to the drawing board. 

        • Anonymous

           I don’t have time to have a long political debate with you, as I have a busy schedule during the day (not saying that you don’t also, just explaining my short response). 

          Regarding the programs that you used as examples, there are abuses in each one of them. 

          Head Start:  I know of couples who don’t get married specifically because it would impact their child care and Maine Care.  Wouldn’t have to pay for their own child care.  Abuse.

          Mental Health Services:  ADHD, Hyperactivity disorder…the list goes on and on.  I can’t even keep track of them.  For each one of these children that aren’t being properly parented (but their misbehavior is called a “disorder”), our tax dollars are poured away.  Not really sure how throwing more money at the problem will teach parents how to parent.

          I could go on and on, but I made my point.  There are SIGNIFICANT abuses in each of these examples that YOU gave. 

          Smoking cessation programs??  Really??  Don’t light up!  Problem solved.

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          • Anonymous

            everything in life is hard.
            you do no give a principled REASON why I should pay for your “needs”
            and the idea that it will cost the people of Maine more in the long run, is only true if people are willing to continue paying for these programs.
            don’t pay.
            people that are smart enough will figure out how to help themselves… the others… frankly I do not care… there is no good reason to continue to dilute the gene pool.
            good riddance if you cannot figure a way out

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          • Anonymous

            ADHD is NOT a behavioral problem.  Scientists are not sure what causes ADHD, although many studies suggest that genes play a large role. Like many other illnesses, ADHD probably results from a combination of factors. In addition to genetics, researchers are looking at possible environmental factors, and are studying how brain injuries, nutrition, and the social environment might contribute to ADHD.

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          • Anonymous

             If we do what you recommend, and adopt this budget, it will cost Maine taxpayers more money in the long run. 
            More smokers will cost the state lots of money in health care expenses and lost productivity.  More people without mental health programs that keep them in their homes will result in more people in expensive hospital care.  More elders without proper medication will also mean more people in expensive hospitals.  More children without Head Start will mean greater need for more expensive interventions, including social services and even prisons, as they get older.  You want us to be penny wise and dollar foolish.

      • Anonymous

        It is quite common that many workers in Maine are working two or more jobs. And they still qualify for public assistance. Average wages for middle income jobs in Maine are the lowest in the nation. Walmart educates their employees on how to apply for public assistance. It’s cheaper than paying them a living wage. A large percentage of your tax dollars go overseas for public assaistance to other Countries.  We could end welfare completly and it would not increase or decrease your taxes. People coming to Maine by the bus load because we are a welfare State is one of the many LePage fiery tales. The bottom line is your elderly neighbor is going without so that the top 5% can have more, and thats the only thing this Republician bill changes.

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    • Anonymous

      And the Maine Maritime Academy still get $9.000,000 per year ($10,000 per student  per year) and nearly 1/2 of the students are from out of state and leave immediately after graduation and never look back. Lepage can’t afford this sports and spa anymore. It’s time to privatize the MMA like Bates, Bowdoin, and Coby.

      • Anonymous

        Reminds me of an old song, something about Johnny …

      • And then tuition is 45k!!!!! What the heck!!  9 million of savings!!!!!!

      • Anonymous

        I’d like to know who gets the money — my son attends MMA and gets 2,000.00 a year total from the school.  The other 30,000 + comes from us. 

        • Anonymous

          One more time Justbeing… The $9 million+  goes to pay the overpaid classroom instructors, the 20+ or so coaches and assistant coaches, the upkeep on their $1.6 million estate for the president and the $1 million alumni center, the state of the art gym and football field, the created makework job between the chief financial officer and the purchasing agent to fend off charges of nepotism, upkeep on their fleet of racing sail boats, etc.. all for a sports and spa school the size of a city junior high school of 900+ students of which nearly 1/2 are from out of state.

    • Anonymous

      Here, Here.

      • Anonymous

        “Hear”. Not “here”.

        And the further it needs to go is in cutting administrative overhead, not cutting benefits for the truly needy.

    • Anonymous

      Yes, further indeed.  Till we get those freeloading seniors and children finally paying their way, right?  Ridiculous, uninformed comment.

      • Anonymous

        And, according to an earlier post, we should get them the BDN classifieds so they can work two jobs so they aren’t broke.

        And then tune them out as whiners when they need prescriptions or mental health care.

        Sounds like a paraphrase to an old campaign slogan….”a chicken $h!t in every pot”

  • When the vote is across party lines they are representing their party not their constituents. 

  • Anonymous

    Nice to see Katz taking a little heat after being such a schmuck about some of the Lepage comments. Also, it is so easy for the “progressives” to throw the uncaring comments when a budget needs to be balanced without making positive suggestions on how to make it happen. Remember, that’s the group that sold the liquor commission to balance one of “Boldacci’s” budgets, what a sham fix. The basic tenet is that if you can’t afford it, be the adult in the group and fix it, don’t whine.

    • Anonymous

      We could afford it before Our Governor had to pay back his benefactors with tax cuts for the rich.  Now the trust fund babies are smiling and needy people are going without  much needed medicine.  Doesn’t sound like a good trade to me! Did you notice that the shortfall was the same as the cost of the taxcuts that LePug gave the rich? If you think you will see any of that money, I have a bridge I would like to sell you.

      • Anonymous

        There are no rich left in Maine, Baldi drove them all out.

        • Anonymous

          There are 6838  1% ers in maine with an arevage income of $811,000-BDN.

          • Anonymous

            If we would get off our arses and cut some of the government handouts, maybe we would earn that much too (by the way, my gross family income is far less than 100K, so that you don’t paint me as some GOP fat cat)

          • Guest

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  • “…Get off the couch and get yourself a job.”

    • Anonymous

      Said LePage to his kid

      • Anonymous

         Ummm, at least she has a job, albeit one she might not be qualified for, but at least she’s working.  Look to Baldacci for writing the book on appointing unqualified people.

        There are HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of lazy sponges sitting on the couch playing their XBox 3 until it’s 3 in the afternoon, they get burdened by their kids getting off the bus and they then decide it’s time to go to the local Hannafid’s to get some Kraft Mac n’ Cheese for their kid’s suppa (of which they use their Maine Card to buy it).

        Disclaimer:  I will go to Hannaford myself and buy supper for a struggling family that is trying to get back on their feet.  The offer does not apply to those in paragraph 2 whose parents were on the public dole for years and now they are too, for more years.

        I agree with Jack Jones, “Get off the couch and get yourself a job.”

        If they know that after YEARS of the money being dumped into their Maine Card, the funds will be shut off, they will get off their butts and go get a job.

        • Anonymous

          Maybe you should do your civic duty and turn them in!  Don’t whine about it do something.  I’m guessing you would rather complain and use them as an excuse to not help anyone.

          • Anonymous

             Mr. Gopher,

            It isn’t my job to police these schleps who fleece the system.  It is my job to maintain a steady employment to provide for these schleps, evidently.  It is the job of DHHS to weed them out when they’ve been on the dole  a little too long.

          • Anonymous

            If you know of someone scamming the system and you don’t turn them in you are aiding and abetting them.

        • Anonymous

           Too bad that these cuts aren’t about putting a limit on the number of years you can be on welfare without having a disability.  If they were they would likely have my full support.

        • Anonymous

          And if they have young children, how will that low-paying job allow them to work and provide childcare?

    • Anonymous

      and what if you are a 80 year old senior citizen living on a fixed income (Unable to work) or a truly disabled person who cant work? I agree with the fact that a portion of people shouldnt be on Maincare or public assistance of any kind..Just go to pickering square in Bangor in the middle of the day, and you can find lots of folks who shouldnt proobably be on the system. I am talking about watching early 20 ish old people playing games and hanging out instead of working.

    • Anonymous

      Jack, don’t you mean ‘another’ job?  So now we all can work 16 hrs. / day for minimum wages.

  • Anonymous

    The first step for our kids to be able to move back and get a decent paying job! I can finally say: Thank You Maine State Government! This vote is the also the 1st step to end the enabling, because a job is the best deterant for welfare!!

    • Anonymous

      How do these cuts create jobs? Thanks in advance.

      • Anonymous

        This does not create jobs, it increases unemployment, all of the headstart employees that will be cut, all the healthcare clinic employees that will loose their jobs when the offices they worked in close, the in-home supports to the elderly that will lose funding will lose their jobs, and so and so on. I will be laughing when the federal government does not approve a waiver for such changes to occur.

      • Analyst 59

        Unfortunately the only jobs that will be created with these cuts will be for grave diggers and morticians. Good work LePage. Your corporate handlers are proud.

        • Anonymous

          I agree with your thought, but most people I know can’t afford to bury their dead anymore.

      • Anonymous

        They will be cutting the types of jobs I was hoping to get.  So even if they do create jobs (somehow..) that allow your children to move back my parents will still be missing me.

  • Anonymous

    The repubs have it all wrong. More spending is what’s needed, it’s working so well for Greece & the other failed EU countries.

    • Anonymous

      Actually, Greece and other “failed EU countries” are suffering from their failed austerity programs.  

      • Anonymous

        They cannot pay their bills. Re: Greece no one will loan a deadbeat money. Germany is unwilling to put their national assets as collateral to bail out Greece. Why would they when Greece refuses to get their house in order? The only way out is to print trillions of euros but that just delays the day of reckoning.

  • Anonymous

    Finally, responsible governing.  Thank you Senator Katz and Senate Republicans!

  • Anonymous

    the poor get poorer and Pauls friends save on taxes. 

    • Anonymous

       There are plenty of jobs available.  Look in the back of the BDN this weekend.  I started by pumping gas and bagging groceries.  There is honest work for those who want it; or are you too good for that work?

      • Anonymous

         A lot of these cuts affect people who DO work and might make them unable to (for instance if they no longer have childcare).

      • Anonymous

        Yes, mom and dad must both work now to make enough to get by while they are forced to let school raise their children.  Soon, mom and dad will have to have 2 jobs each to make what dad alone used to make just 15 years ago.

      • Guest

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  • I’m married with one child, both my husband and I work full time jobs.  I do not get any state aide and while my husband and I don’t get to go to the Dentist or Doctors for regularly scheduled check ups, we make sure we bring our son twice a year to the Dentist and once a year to the Doctors…we pay for that out of pocket.  It is ridiculous that so many able bodied people CHOOSE to not get a job to stay home and collect off the state, yes you can be a stay at home Mom but that is your choice and you should be able to afford to do it!  Why not get a part time job while kids are in school, or get paid to watch other peoples kids and get them off and on the bus with your own?  I have a 79 year old grandmother in a wheel chair who can’t care for herself, its our elderly and our sick who deserve benefits….but that is just my opinion!      

    • Anonymous

      If i  own a company i could find any number of reasons for not hiring those people an nothing the state could do about it

    • PabMainer

      Your opinion seems spot on to me……

    • Anonymous

       Well, I happen to like your opinion.  Thanks to you and your family for working hard and being self-reliant.  Thank you for being good parents.  Keep up the good work and hold your head high! 

      P.S. I buy store-brand green beans instead of Green Giant, I bet you do too!

      • Anonymous

        You should be buying fresh green beans…cheaper and better for you.  Or better yet, grow your own.  Bootstraps, people, bootstraps!

        • Anonymous

           We do grow our own.  I sweated last summer as I roto-tilled, planted, harvested, canned them and put them in the basement.  There are still a few quarts down there. 

          The store-brand green beans was an example.

    • Anonymous

      That’s very nice and everything…but if you had read the article, it appears that the population that will be most affected by these cuts would be the elderly.
      For example, eliminating funds to provide home health care. So, those that need extra help and cannot live with family will go to a nursing home. They will lose everything, except maybe a night stand of belongings…and the state will shell out more money because nursing homes are more expensive than home health care. 

      Some people assumed that LePage would only go after the “welfare bums” and leave the deserving elderly alone. Many people knew differently however, and here is the proof. I would confidently say that the majority agree the elderly are deserving of services…and yet all you can do is rant about the “welfare bums” while LePage is pulling the rug out from under people like your grandmother. 

    • Anonymous

      Your not going to the doctor or the dentist for regular checkups will eventually cost the rest of us plenty.  What is your evidence that able-bodied people choose to stay home and not get a job?  There are many circumstances that might prevent that.  Good for you that you HAVE a job…it’s not that easy to just create one, as you suggest, out of thin air.  Of course the elderly and sick deserve benefits and so do many others.  Reducing tax breaks for the wealthy Mainers would nicely contribute to our ability to care for anyone who needs care.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t think anyone is heartless and out to hurt their fellow man, but there has to be a limit to taxation, and as the highest taxed state in the country, I think we have reached and exceeded that limit.

    • fourCatssoon

       How much is the Governor paying his Daughter and brother-in-law, together total with benefits $165,700.00 check it out. he is sure kind to his own Family:)

  • Anonymous

    Maybe the State needs to look at medical accessibility at lower cost rather than cutting services and causing the cost to rise because of ER visits of the now uninsured. Time ti stand up people and tell the federal and local government we paid into these services by them taking the money out of our paychecks before we ever saw a penny of our own money earned. Now they are crying entitlements when it was a mandatory insurance program and the money has been squandered due to poor management and political thievery. I wonder what mext hairbrain idea we will read about tomorrow….The anticipation just kills me to have to wait that long. 

  • Guest

    A balanced budget without gimicks!!! WOW!!! Haven’t seen that since……I don’t remember when.. The Dems knew every trick in the book shuffling the money from one department to another, bonding and not paying bills, then claiming it was balanced…

    John Baldacci rode out high on his horse without any victories. He knew the State had played their hand and lost…
    Now Our Great Governor Paul LePage is in the repair mode when he should be working on making room for job creation

    • Lord Whiteman

      The Republican budget is 6.3 billion that’s 1/2 a billion more then the last Democrat budget. 

      • Guest

        unfunded union pensions

        • Lord Whiteman

           The Republicans said Baldacci’s 5.8 billion budget was too much money and if they came to power they would lower state spending.
           Instead they increased state spending by 1/2 a billion while at the same time they have been shifting costs onto property tax payers and people who pay for health insurance.

  • Lord Whiteman

    The Sadist Governor Paul Lepage illegally gave $17 million Maine tax payer dollars to his pals at Brookfield Management of Toronto Canada. Meanwhile the Republican controlled legislature spends it’s time driving up our property taxes by under funding mandated services.

  • Anonymous

    This solves nothing, all it makes is more work create an updated budget to fill the gaps after the federal waiver is disapproved. This is only a way of causing unnecessary stress and anxiety to the lower income, elderly, and any other recipient of these programs.

  • Maybe Chicago Jesus and Eric “Fast and Furious” Holder will intervene?

    • fourCatssoon

       The Green Shirts are out this early with their normal hate comments and fear approach to every issue. Republicans and Cancer are the same disease.

  • Anonymous

    But then you celebrate the TeaPublican bums and the billions of OUR dollars they give to the already-rich oil companies, and no-bid military contracts, and laws to help your millionaire corporate masters hide their money in the Caymans and pay half the tax rates as everyone else.  The TeaPublican way:  shaft the poor and middle class and celebrate the IDLE rich.  Yup.  And then go around spouting utter garbage about how much the TeaPublicans love Jesus, even though Jesus would puke his guts out at the very sight of the sickening corrupt TeaPublican Farce Party.

    • Anonymous

      Is this all you have to post?  The same silly diatribe over and over.

      • Anonymous

        You expect the truth to change?

        • Anonymous

          No but every now and then I expect more than silly communist, “the rich are evil”, there is only so much money and they have it all” , talking points.

          • Anonymous

            I’m not aware of anyone making these blanket statements.  Who thinks “the rich are evil”?  Who thinks “there is only so much money and they have it all”?   I’ve a feeling you are the one who hears that when other points are bing made.  I believe the wealthy should be paying at least the same rate of taxation as we middle class folk.

          • Anonymous

            And I believe that for the most part they do.  Yes there are those who take advantage of the tax code whether they are poor, middle class, or rich but if you expect me to believe that someone who has paid millions of dollars in income taxes is not paying his fair share I have a hard ti believing that.  Especially when almost half of the people are paying no income taxes.  Don’t they have a fair share to pay?

          • Anonymous

            It is not the rich that are the problem, it is the greedy that are the problem.

          • Anonymous

            The greedy at all income levels.  That I agree with.
            I am all for a flat tax with no exemptions for anyone.  If you make 10 bucks you owe a buck to Uncle.  Simple and we eliminate the IRS.  How could that be wrong?

    • Anonymous

      is ron paul really for giving money to the rich??   he wants us out of the wars which are the real $ and man/woman eaters.!

    • Anonymous

      I can’t believe you think  the hyperbole of all the generalized statements you and your liberal friends make  really have much credibility, since most of it is just crazy. So we don’t agree on that. But I have to ask one question-why are you willing to accept all the fraud that is inherent in our current DHS system that has essentially made it  impossible to help the truly needy? I don’t see people with your ideology too concerned with the root cause of the problem.

      • Anonymous

        These cuts don’t really do much to eliminate fraud. That would be a step in the right direction. They only eliminate numbers of people who are covered.

        • Anonymous

          I agree on the fraud part. The problem is fraud is responsible for a large part of this cutting and hurting the needy is unfortunately collateral damage from this. Maine’s benefits are just way too high from a national average standpoint and this is from a state that ranks in the bottom economically. We are going to have to focus on the truly needy now to see they get help.

        • Anonymous

          Actually, these cuts don’t do anything about fraud. Zilch.

    • Anonymous

      That’s IDLE job creators, thank you.

  • Anonymous

    This isn’t good for the ‘numbers’ either.  This is going to cut a lot of jobs.  The people who work for the places having the cuts will be loosing their jobs.  At a time when many other states are ADDING to their parent education/home-visiting programs we have been cutting ours.  Obviously this will mean anyone hoping to work in these areas will be moving out of state.  That hurts the economy.  Not to mention that all of the lost spots in Headstart resulting in major money/time management issues.

    Then you also have to think of all of the children that this programs were designed to help.  What is going to happen to them and there families?  This can create a terrible cycle that will do NOTHING to help our society.  Let’s at least make sure that all children get a fair start.  They’re KIDS.  Oh and apparently we can’t afford to make sure that they have health insurance either?

    Btw, I’m registered as a republican and consider myself conservative.  I would vote for most liberals before I would vote for Le Page though.  He is ruining the state I grew up in and loved.

    • Anonymous

      We all grew up without Headstart. Since when do my tax dollars go for glorified babysitting?
      We all paid for preschool for our children, if we choose to do so.

      The “give me” everything mentality has to stop. That’s what will ruin this state.

      • Anonymous

         Head start programs have been shown to help these children to do better in the early years of school.  This means that they will be more likely to do better in life.  That means less people on welfare in the future. 

        Intervention and prevention programs for family crises also prevent a lot of things (crime, mental health problems) which can get very costly. 

        Plus, how are you supposed to pay for childcare when you don’t have a job and how are you supposed to get a job when you don’t have childcare?  You need one to get the other.

        • Anonymous

          So more children have gone through Headstart and guess what,?, All the test scores are still dropping like a rock.

          Maybe you should not have children if you can’t afford them.

          • Anonymous

             And the people who already did have children?  We’re going to punish the children for their parent’s mistake?

            Also, I said the -early- years of school and the studies I read were following individuals, which makes it more accurate than the correlation you are trying to make.

          • Anonymous

            No one’s punishing anyone.

            All I see are facts. Test scores dropping, as we spend more and more.

  • Anonymous

    That liberal squealing is getting awfully loud. I take this to mean that the GOP is doing a good job.

    • Anonymous

      Corporate media: the rich telling the middle class to blame to poor.

  • quit yer whining

    At last some responsibility arrives in Augusta Get off the couch and get a job should be a national cry and the end of the Democrat sponsored give away programs at the expense of the working people is at an end.

    Have a great day pounding your keyboards deadbeat welfare collectors and crybaby liberal Democrats!

    • Anonymous

      You will see crime go way  up.  Hope it doesn’t happen to you 

      • Anonymous

         That is a cowardly way to approach crime. If we don’t bribe them they will steal…

    • fourCatssoon

        Simple answer – again proves how quick you forget – Dems were cleaning
      up what Jock created for a financial mess, just like the one he is again
      now. Check the facts and see who is really doing what. Or do you prefer
      to go back to the Reagan era and the Iran weapon sale to which he
      should have been Impeached, have you forgotten where all the current
      mess started. Check the facts please. Respectfully submitted

  • Anonymous

    I hope this is only the start of getting the State straight.  I hate to hear ME called the best welfare state in the States.  Maybe some of the people who moved here for welfare will join the ones who started leaving when the first cuts were made.  If we get all things cut maybe we can become a State that business will actually look at and consider to move to.  Just wondering.

  • Anonymous

    Shame on all you , you’re all a bunch of heathless creatures.  Hopefully  you will all be gone soon.

    • Anonymous

      We are all creatures. Some just have more common sense than others.

    • quit yer whining

      What IS heartless is people who wont work and can But would rather leech of people who do work 

      Get off the couch!

      • Anonymous

        Not everyone on the system is a leach.  This state needs jobs.  Give these people jobs then make the cuts. People leaching off the system were not the only ones abusing this system.  Heath care providers were getting 135.00 per visit that see Maine care patients.  And it doesn’t matter how many times a week you were seeing your health care provider. Do the math on that. 
        The rich need to stop leaching off the system and pay their fair  share of taxes. But of couse the goverment doesn’t want to hurt the hand that feeds you.   

      • fourCatssoon

         Do you mean tdhe Governor’s Daughter and his brother in law who’s only skill is that he owns a hammer:)

    • Anonymous

      Yes, we’re all “heartless” except you. Shame, shame on us.

  • Anonymous

    Thanks to Gov. LePage, the Dems are being shown the error of their ways. You can’t give away what you don’t have. I fully agree that suporting those who are able is the wrong way. I watched as a young unmarried girl on the tv news last night fretted as to how she would survive with her  daughter. She explained that she was a HS dropout, a teen mother and the daughter of an unwed teen mother herself.  The problem is systemic and in my opinion somewhat a ay of life in ME. Find a life!!

    • fourCatssoon

        Simple answer – again proves how quick you forget – Dems were cleaning
      up what Jock created for a financial mess, just like the one he is again
      now. Check the facts and see who is really doing what. Or do you prefer
      to go back to the Reagan era and the Iran weapon sale to which he
      should have been Impeached, have you forgotten where all the current
      mess started. Check the facts please. Respectfully submitted

  • Anonymous

    You know, I realize the state budget is bloated, and I understand some of the cuts, but the ones I have below should be hard even for the most cold hearted Republican or T-Party member to justify…

    “remove about 1,500 low-income elderly and disabled people from a prescription drug assistance program, and make eligibility more difficult for the children’s health insurance program”

    It’s pretty heartless to cut prescription assistance to those who are not able to work and do for themselves.  I hope all you people out there can sleep at nights, knowing that you applaud cutting this type of program.  The elderly, disabled, and children have no advocate anymore.  All the religious right can muster is cut.  There is a time and a place for charity.

    In the end, this kind of cut will cost more than it will save.  More of the elderly, disabled, and children will be on the doorsteps of our emergency rooms and hospitals, which will cover them under Medicaid, a program partially funded by the state.

    Sad state of affairs all you people who are touting this obscene disregard for your fellow humankind.  I only hope that none of you ever find yourself in the shoes of the people who you delight so much in causing such unnecessary pain.

    Good Job! – with intense sarcasm, and disgust intended.

    • Anonymous

      Don’t beleive everything you read, especially in this “newspaper”.

      Quite a few of these folks could provide their own healthcare. They just choose not to. I can name numerous families in my town that make that choice. I pay for my own, always have. It’s called personal responsibility. We cannot give what we don’t have.

      How about we get rid of some of our Senators and Legislators? Other states do it, part time. No more pay for these political talking heads, and no more free healthcare, forever.

      • Anonymous

        The cuts are in the recently passed bill, which I boringly read.  Maybe you live in a different Maine, but most of the people I know in this category barely have enough money to buy food.  They are not on the dole either.  Some of the prescriptions the elderly take can be as much as $80 a month.  Subtract this from what little they have, and it is a choice, eat or take medication.

        How can an 80 year old person, or a disabled person afford healthcare and prescriptions?  I think the people who abuse the system have tainted your better judgement.  You and I both know the majority of people in this situation are barely surviving.

        I pay for my health insurance too, but if I had a catastrophic illness, I would not be able to pay my portion of the medical bills.  Currently health insurance is 25% of my monthly income….so I feel the pain of the people I was talking about

  • Anonymous

    So which is it, Senator Hill – a sham, a shift, a shaft, or a shame? Other than poetic alliteration, your assertion has no merit at all.

    Gov. Baldacci and Gov. King ran up the state budget by expanding entitlements. Now that the party of children are in the minority and the party of adults is in the majority, we are finally seeing some responsible action taken to reduce the size and scope of state government.

    Well done, Republicans! Looking forward to next session already.

    • fourCatssoon

       The purpose of the State government is to be of service to its people, it is not to be run like a profit business with share holders. What famous person said that? The acting Governor never learned of this function of our State.

  • Anonymous

    Thanks Heartless GOP:  Now we can watch our neighbors DIE without healthcare and services while YOU give the funds to your RICH supporters…

  • Anonymous

    Question for Ms Hill; If this attempt to make up for the $80m is a sham, then why did it go so far overbudget when the Dems were in control? We can’t live on credit cards. 

    • fourCatssoon

       Simple answer – again proves how quick you forget – Dems were cleaning up what Jock created for a financial mess, just like the one he is again now. Check the facts and see who is really doing what. Or do you prefer to go back to the Reagan era and the Iran weapon sale to which he should have been Impeached, have you forgotten where all the current mess started. Check the facts please. Respectfully submitted.

  • I guess we will see the return of the “Poor Farm”.  It is a way too house and feed poor people.
    They used to have them years ago and the poor had to grow and harvest their own food. What a horrible way to have to live!  LOL  I say bring back the farms, at least people will eat and work then won’t they?

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      • Anonymous

        How do you explain the fact Maine spends 60 more per capita on Medicare (Mainecare) than the national average?  Are you implying that much of the nation is dying from lack of healthcare when Maine is not?

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          • Anonymous

            I was referring to PER CAPITA spending, not overall spending on Mainecare. The fact Maine has a lot of old and poor people does not justify the need for a much more generous helping hand to each and every beneficiary. As of now, for each 100 dollars the average beneficiary in the nation receives, Maine gives each of its beneficiaries 160 dollars. Maine, being one the the poorest states in the Union, cannot afford to be paying out more generous benefits than the other states.

          • fourCatssoon

             How did you respond when Bush and Cheney did all the War spending and kept all that information off the books so Congress would not have any idea what they were doing. This was money that the people did not have, plus to add to the mess Bush/Cheney have all the 1% people large tax cuts that expire this December, how did you respond. Yeah, tell me – you know so much – i think:)

          • Anonymous

            No use being sarcastic. I treat you and all posters with respect. I deserve the same treatment no less. 

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  • Anonymous

    I believe this is correct. I also believe this is the kind of plan that we are likley to end up with, though somewhat less generous as it will be forced on us by our creditors who won’t give a hair about healthcare for seniors and the needy. Read “Penny Health” articles if you dont have insurance.

  • Anonymous

    it is only the start.  we need to go further…..

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  • Anonymous

    My understanding is that this budget has restricted methadone MaineCare coverage to two years except for certain specific instances. 

  • Anonymous

    It all comes down to the numbers in any budget.  If the money isn’t there, you can’t spend it!  TRIM THE FAT!  There  are people that  move here specifically for the benefits.  More power to the people that are proud and work 2-3 jobs to make it.  I am sick and tired of paying for people that don’t want to work and sit home waiting for their check….. 

  • Anonymous

    Get Mayhew out of  there, she is clueless

    • fourCatssoon

       To this very moment in time Mayhew does not have valid financial and reliable data. Also we still don’t know if the computer system working there that has issues has been corrected. Roger Katz you love to have your picture in the papers and media coverage, can you get the answer on this issue for the Maine people or are you too busy posing for pictures:)

  • Anonymous

    Apparently all the savings the lawmakers found were used for other vital projects more important than the people.We must create more state jobs even if they are filled with the govs.and lawmakers friends and relatives,then we could have more people that are incompetent in the govs own words a lot of savings could be found if the deadwood was removed along with the twinkie bill and create no new spending the budget would balence itself.   

  • Anonymous

    The FY 2013 military budget (NDAA) is up for a vote in the House this Friday. It contains more than $642 billion of taxpayer money to pay for a war the majority of Americans oppose; nuclear upgrades that threaten non-proliferation agreements; programs and weapons that even the Pentagon doesn’t want. The bill also promotes reckless threats on Iran, enables reckless actions by Israel and prohibits the transfer of prisoners from Guantanamo to the United States. It’s not just the Republicans, who are at fault. The majority of Democrats on the House Armed Services Committee have voted in favor, producing a lopsided 56-5 margin for an outrageous bill. Partisan rhetoric should not obscure the reality that if this over-sized military budget passes the Congress, it will be paid for by programs that affect the most vulnerable- food stamps, school lunches, health insurance for low income children, “Meals-on Wheels” for the elderly. PLEASE NOTE THIS RELEVANCE TO PRESENT DISCUSSION!!!!!!! With $88 billion authorized to continue the war in Afghanistan. Barbara Lee has introduced a clear amendment (#158) to cut all funding except for the purpose of withdrawing all of our troops safely from Afghanistan. Representatives McGovern, Conyers, Kucinich, Frank and others have introduced strong amendments aimed at stopping the war, preventing a military confrontation with Iran, curtailing the use of drones and cutting the size of the budget. (Not certain which of these amendments the Republican majority will allow on the floor.) Members of Congress need to hear from you todayCall the Capitol Switchboard 1-877-429-0678. (*toll free number provided by FCNL)*Ask your Representatives to support ALL amendments designed to end the war in Afghanistan, avoid a military intervention in Iran, curtail drone attacks and eliminate waste, fraud and abuse in the military budget. *And when it comes time for a vote on the entire Pentagon budget bill (H.R. 4310) let your Representative know that the FY 2013 National Defense Authorization Act does not reflect the priorities of their constituents. The only reasonable vote on a $642 billion Pentagon bill is a NO vote. 

    • Anonymous

      What’s your point? Maine’s per capita spending on Medicaid (Mainecare) is 60 percent greater than the national average. Even if I agreed with your rant on federal misspending, that still doesn’t explain why Maine is spending so much on Mainecare.

  • Anonymous

    An attack on hard working families?  Hardly!  Maybe  some of us hard working families can afford our own healthcare now that we’re not doling it out to 19 & 20 year olds that should be working.

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  • Anonymous

    How are low income people supposed to keep their jobs without subsidized childcare? This will lead to more people on the dole than before.

    • Anonymous

      probably should have thought about that before having kids. 

  • Anonymous

    The Democrats are heartless and without shame.  Their first – and only – idea is to steal dollars from the peoples’ pockets.

  • 27% of the population of Maine is on Maine Care.  That folks, is a huge problem.  We need to find out how that number got to be so big and then how to trim it down.  This is a good first step.

  • tag

    Thank you GOP for restoring some sanity (and maturity) to our fiscal house. You will never appease the Occupy Party, so don’t even try.

  • Anonymous

    Here is a question for all of you. With all these cuts and all of us middle class citizens paying taxes a good portion of our tax dollars are going to Augusta.  How come their salery isn’t getting cut?  You don’t hear them complaining at all.  I wonder what kind of health insurance they have, that all us Mainers are paying for?  WE need to remember this come election time.  I am tired of worring do I have enough gas in my car, how am I am going to pay my heat bill  and do I have enough for groceries for the week?  It’s amazing that Augusta wants to make these cuts . What about stopping the greed in Augusta, eliminate the lobbiest and  stop caving in.  Do the right thing for the state of Maine.  I will remember this come election time.  And I hope you do too.

  • Do you people understand that we do not matter anymore? No matter how many protests we have, we won’t be heard or considered in any way.  We are the peons. To tell you the truth I’m sick and tired of getting peed on. How about u? But if you want to blame someone….you only need to look in a mirror. It was the people of Maine that decided to let this criminal become governor. But don’t feel bad. You didn’t know you had been lied to and deceived. You can still do something about it. We Mainers as a whole, have the power to stop this madman and his posse. They are nothing but public servants of us. OUR tax money goes into their pockets everyday. If we don’t like what they are doing we have the power to say, “YOU’RE FIRED!”  I say stop paying taxes. They can get by without us just as we can get by without them. Either that or come next election tell them to get out. He says that we need to get off our butts and get a job….well Mr. LePage (because you sure aren’t any governor of mine) if there is a successful ousting of you next time there is an election, you will have to get off your butt and find a job….how do u like them apples?

  • Anonymous

    Sham?  I’ll tell you what a sham is–spending the better part of 30 plus years creating an unresponsive and unaccountable entitlement state that does little or nothing to ensure that those truly in need get the assistance they need, taking on more debt than is sustainable and raising taxes, costs and fees to levels that drive business and individuals right out of state.  The facts speak for themselves and cannot be sugarcoated. 

    To now cloak efforts to reform a broken sysem as “maligning and slandering the poor” is the very worst form of pandering and cynicism from those politically dedicated to making sure that Maine never changes for the better and that they continue to hold onto their power over people’s lives via their positons in government that keeps the goodies solely in their court of corruption.

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  • Anonymous

    Yes it should go further.. Start giving out seeds and utilizing the many town and city commons and allow some dignity in working for food. (Great thing for the occupy bunch)
    Why not reinstitute the poor farms now as the disadvantaged living centers.
    Cut back the heating help for those able to work!!.Pay them to split wood for the real people in need!!

     

    • Anonymous

      Another socialist program giving seeds away!

      • Anonymous

        not quite…if they don’t tend the seeds and harvest they starve .PERIOD END OF STORY!!

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  • Congratulations to the Maine Senate and House, for passing much-needed reforms to DHHS spending and other programs that have expanded past sustainability.

    The next two years will be the same, only more effective in getting Maine back on the path to fiscal solvency.

    http://www.asmainegoes.com/content/dill-misses-key-augusta-vote-what-would-she-do-washington

    Meanwhile, Democrats Sen. Cynthia Dill and Sen. Joe Brannigan both missed the Senate budget vote last night. Dill was tweeting photos from a festive house party in Munjoy Hill. Great job, Democratic senators!!

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    • Anonymous

      Naran, very clever using your own blog as backup for your comment, I guess you need to get that hit meter up any way you can.  

      Maybe you could suggest we all make a contribution to the Tanzania Children’s fund for a nice tax write-off while Maine children starve.

  • quit yer whining

    It sure didnt take long for the usual couch surfers to get on here and complain about getting kicked off the dole! Thats just the way its going to be here in Maine we have a new program called Work or Starve.

    Get off the dope and get off the couch If this bothers you its too damn bad far too long you collectors have ridden on the backs of hardworking Mainers.

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  • Anonymous

    Time to recall LeBuffoon!

  •  If any blame is to be put on someone then maybe Mainers should be blaming themselves because it was Maine people who elected this arrogant pig governor. But you don’t feel bad that this man lied and deceived you. No one could predict that. If you don’t like what he is doing in Augusta then kick him out. Mainers we have the power to do that. DO NOT live in fear of these criminals for it is they who need us not the other way around. Have you forgotten that? If so then let me remind you that it is us, the people of Maine, who have the power to get rid of this scum. Our tax money pays for their service as public servants. We can tell them that they are fired and that they can easily be replaced.   Don’t let them intimidate you by abusing their power, their money and their laws. When was the last time we voted on anything that mattered?  They are passing laws and bills that we don’t have any say in anymore.  They are basically telling us that they can do whatever they want and there is nothing us Mainers can do about it. Nay! there is. C0me the next election, we will tell the ignorant people of the capital that we don’t need them anymore. And then Mr. LePage (he does not deserve the title governor) will have to get off is butt and find a job!

  • If anyone wants to blame others for what happened just look in the mirror. Mainers voted for this person. Now some are going, “Maybe LePage wasn’t a good choice”. Well hind sight is 20/20. Just remember people there is a light at the end of this tunnel. For they in Augusta are public servants of us….are they not? If so, then they can easily be replaced. If we do not like what they are doing then we can tell them,”YOU’RE FIRED!” They are the ones who should fear us not us fear them. They bully is, ignore us, and treat us like we do not matter. That is not how a true government operates.  SO if they think they have the upper hand, they should really think again. Stop paying taxes. They abuse our money anyways. Why should they get one more red cent from us? They urinate on us Mainers and treat us with disrespect. How much more are you people going to put up with? Down with State government and UP with Mainers. Unite and stand up as a state and tell these thieves and liers that we are not going to take it anymore!

  • sassyfrazz

    Oh wait…it’s $7.50 now I believe.

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    • Anonymous

      It’s amazing that our goverment wants to get involved and care for the rest of the world.  When it comes to our own you will either sink or swim. 

  • The ‘sham’ budgets were those created by the Democrats during the last four terms.  Now our children are left to suffer the consequences rought by reality spending. A few neys a few years past would have been nice to hear from today’s Democratic party mud slingers and now today we hear nothing but bluster.

  • Anonymous

    “We have tried to be all things to all people, and in the end we can’t
    help people we are supposed to help,” said Sen. Roger Katz, R-Augusta so instead of going after those who misuse the system, the frauds and cheats, going after the computer company that put in place this terrible stem that does not work, going after the contractors, consultants and administrations that run various facilities and that bilk MaineCare or even reorganizing DHHS to be more efficiently managed Roger Katz and coharts go after the people who really need services… elderly on low cost drug programs, children in Head Start and those with development disabilities living in group homes. Shame on Republicans and Shame on Roger Katz! He’s shown us who he really cares about and it isn’t those in need.   

    • fourCatssoon

      Get used to it Penny as Roger is very wealthy with a beautiful home on top of a hill in Augusta – not a care in the world for this guy! Being on top of a hill is easier to look down on people:)

      • Anonymous

        No way! These cuts are wrong and we all know it. Wealthy or not, he voted to hurt Maine’s elderly and disabled.  These cuts go in effect in August close enough to November for people to remember come election day.

  • Anonymous

    Most of the comments that are made to the BDN online are like pornography. Mean spirited, repetitive and poorly thought out. Few of you even have the courage to use your names. This brings into question the honesty of your convictions and suggests that you are lazy of mind and action. It takes hard work to make a republic viable and instead of participating in a meaningful way you choose to use free speech as opinionated gossip.

  • Anonymous

    They have included the waivers that we have pretty much been assured will not happen?  How could they do that with a straight face?  Also, they gave 350 million dollars away to the rich in tax cuts.  They also keep harping about us “bringing us in line” with “other” states.  Do we really want to be like red necked southern states?   This is all philosophical and I hope to high heavens the majority of Mainers will come out in November and vote these lying, disingenous republicans out of office.  If I wanted to live under the Kochs’ way of doing things, I’d move down south.  We can do better here in Maine.  Spend my tax dollars on the poor, not the rich!  

  • Guest

    This is not a solution, it’s the beginning of a much larger problem to come.

    • Anonymous

      Oh yes it is, they didn’t think this through here is one example , you have a lot of angry bipolar kids that are on meds now whats going to happen to the community when these kids are off meds?   Send these kids off to jail?  Would be a lot cheaper for them to have their meds instead off  sending  them off to jail.  Headstart another bad mistake, these kids are the future of Maine. They need all the head starts they can get to make it in this world..

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  • MaineHiker

    Let’s talk about welfare, real welfare, Corporate welfare!  $50M is going as welfare to a Canadian firm to build a  Machine of mass Destruction (bird slaughtering industrial turbine)  in Nevada. We could balance the national budget by just lopping off a few heads. No joke!

  • Anonymous

    T Well whats good for the goose is you too for it also will effect your
    life too.  For you need to go back in time and look at the time when the
    Republicans was in and we all didn’t have money  for they took all of
    the funds from the programs they cut and our children and old lost a
    great deal. So I guest your rich and living on the high of the hog. So I
    say this everyone that gets in is a liar to us all and you get what you
    weep. As an older person living on a fix income try walking in my shoes
    and live off pension and Security that you have to pay rent that is $750 let alone your heat and electric and can’t even have a car or a house and as for medicine which is high
    in price and you have to just stay well. Maybe we should have you pay
    for our funeral since you think were rich like you and all the rest of
    the so call republicans and others.  You forget we pay for their so call
    life of living.  So guest what with the cuts this so call governors did
    think where the that money is going and its not in the best for us
    Maine people.  How do think they get their so call increase  from the
    back of cuts of program that can help our children etc. So I would think
    you had a brain to figure that out.  That is why I listen to what
    everyone says and do for if you took time and listen and read in between
    the lines you know that you have just been lie too and sucker in.ype your comment here.

  • Anonymous

    An unfortunate path, yet again. Take from the most needy and vulnerable and cut taxes for the least needy- the Mr. LePage and the GOP/Tea Party way.  It is not “ The hyperbole of the democrats is just so they can win the “emotion card” with voters. “ or ” These changes were needed and the Republicans were grown up enough to put their foot down and make the responsible choices.”

    It IS about the loss of a caring community being forced on us by those with little or no ability to care and even less. There is the ability in this society and economy to give back what has been made profit at the expense of the people that made it possible and those that are in hard places. 

    You can be sure there will be no lifting up from these changes,only a more dire situation than we have nopw and even more NO HOPE. 

    Thanks 

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