Comments for: Saturday/Sunday, May 5-6, 2012: LePage’s leadership, drug addiction and education

Posted May 04, 2012, at 4 p.m.

Who wants to work for the state of Maine? I am stunned by the recent accusations of our governor that his own middle managers are corrupt and beyond his control. The governor made these accusations without providing a shred of evidence to support them. My guess is that the governor …

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  • Anonymous

    “We only wish the governor would do likewise and not play politics with public education.”  This is, of course, something the MEA/NEA never does, right?  Puh-leez.

    • dadoje

      Did you read all that was written.

      • Anonymous

        Every word.  I just don’t think it’s a rock the MEA is in a position to throw at anyone.

        • Anonymous

          I may think that but do you know?

  • fourCatssoon

    Fear not Maine’s hard working people. I think the Governor is gone to a different island this time for vacation – It has been almost confirmed he is now on his way to the Island of Crab. Well, have a good vacation:)

  • Anonymous

    While one letter writer feels that Governor LePage needs to know more about addiction, the other four letter writers make it clear that the Governor is addicted to abusing others to pump up his own lack of self-esteem.  It seems the Governor is the perfect addict: a classic dry drunk who gains from anger what he used to gain from booze.

    • Anonymous

       When facts won’t work for you character assassination does eh? 

      • Anonymous

        its the Ameri…. er. Liberal way!

      • Anonymous

        Obviously, you’re not a middle manager.

        • Anonymous

          I’m not a middle manager state paid union hack either.

          How can you say that these folks are looking out for the best interests for the state of Maine when for them its all about the union?

          • Anonymous

            Please back up your assertion.

          • Anonymous

            What assertion?  I posed a question.
            I’ll repeat it if you like.

            How can you say that these folks are looking out for the best interests
            for the state of Maine when for them its all about the union?

          • Anonymous

            You assert :…”when for them its all about the union?” But I understand. You’re a ranter and can’t be bothered with facts.

          • Anonymous

            I posed a reasonable question. I asserted nothing.  Most state workers at the mid-management level are union members, most of those are Democrats. Those are facts.
            Are you saying they do not have the interest of their union at heart?

          • Anonymous

            My guess – and this is only a guess – is that their first priority is their family. I have no figures to back that up.

          • Anonymous

            In other words, it’s only an assertion.

          • Anonymous

             Your words not mine.

          • Anonymous

            and you know most of them are Democrats how?
            I think those who criticize unions are jealous they weren’t in one.

          • Anonymous

            I don’t know the dominate political party of unionized middle management state workers.  I do know the  MEA/NEA teachers that Cheesecake believes are lazy, complaining, tax sucking unionized thugs that simply collect a pay check without doing any work are pretty evenly split between Democrat and Republican.  In some areas of the state the unionized teachers are primarily Republican. 

            I also know that at the heart of every teacher is not a union but a belief in  helping children learn.   Unfortunately for Cheesecake he appears to have spent his life surrounded by those driven only by money.

          • Anonymous

            Now please Sally, I never said lazy or complaining ever. That’s you.  I am pretty sure I could have called them tax sucking though. They, by their nature, use more tax revenue than they contribute. Do the math. Its then a matter of deciding if they are worth it or not.

          • Anonymous

            Spent his life around those driven only by money, would those be Republicans?  Just asking.

          • Anonymous

            Formerly a Teamster shop steward both in Bangor and member in Chicago. They are inhabited by thieves and users.

          • Anonymous

             A rhetorical question Cheesy. You do not really want an answer. Because you know that every time one of our public service employees sits down at their desk they are NOT thinking about their union. They are looking at the tasks before them. Whether you think they are doing their job adequately or not is a matter of opinion. But you have a right to express that opinion with their supervisor. With enough complaints that employee will be encouraged to look elsewhere or reassigned to a job aligned with their skills. It is the same in every bureaucracy, public or private.

          • Anonymous

            Ok Let’s see.

            We have a union member in a middle management position with power over others below him/her. That union member is most likely also a Democrat.

            Do you really think that Democratic union member is really going to willingly put her/his
            loyalty and beliefs aside to enforce Republican led-inspired directives?

            That is the problem posed to middle management at the state level.

            Rhetorical question.. ? perhaps… Deserve an answer. You decide.

          • Anonymous

            LOL  Very interesting set of comments:
            Cheese:  When facts won’t work ……character assassination does?Cheese: I’m not a ….state paid union hack.

            Got character assassination?     LOL

          • Anonymous

            Words from another adept at character assassination. I made a general statement. Chenard was quite specific.

          • Anonymous

             Cheese, my husband worked as the paving tech, for Hancock and Washington counties.
            He was up before dawn, every morning, getting to asphalt plant before anyone else. He made sure the mix was right, and it didn’t go on the road if it wasn’t.  He walked beside the paver, for 12 hours or more every day. After he sent the crew home, did paper work, and sent in hours, most of this was done, with time away from his family at night. Was he a union member yes, but he takes great pride in the work he did for the people of Maine, the people always came 1st, you know every little about, those who work for the state. Your bigotry shows very much, it’s sad really.

          • Anonymous

            You’re husband may be a paving foreman but he certainly was not a middle manager.

          • Anonymous

             he was not the foreman, he was higher up then that.

          • Anonymous

             You indicated he mixed pavement. I expect he did not wear a suit & tie and inhabit a middle-management office in Augusta.

          • Anonymous

             not all mid management work out of Augusta, they also work out Bangor, and at the time my husband worked out of Ellsworth. So it goes to show you don’t what your talking about.
            Also not all mid management wear ties.

          • Anonymous

            This comes down to definition, I guess. Some mid-managers mix paving material others answer directly to the the Department heads.

          • Anonymous

            he managed the paving department for Washington and Hancock counties, he didn’t mix the asphalt, he designed the mixes. He started in the lab in Bangor, doing testing, 31 years of service to this state. He was a tech3 because he didn’t finish collage , he could not be called an engineer

          • Anonymous

            For all of his service, it is truly appreciated. Our definitions of what constitutes middle management are very different.

          • Anonymous

            You and your husband sound like very fine people.  I hope that he is proud of his union membership.  The unions have done much good for the working people of this country making enormous changes for the benefit of the hardworking people, not to mention the children.  These were hard earned and long fought battles.  The Unions deserve credit, not disdain.

          • Anonymous

             There was no disdain of average workers. That is your hyperbole.

      • Anonymous

        He is the son of an alcoholic and he used to drink heavily.  He demeans his own character every time he lashes out in anger at others.  His behavior matches the typical behavior of a dry drunk.  I’d say my post is a frank analysis of a repeated behavior pattern.  I have sympathy for dry drunks, but feel they need counseling. 

        • Anonymous

          Psychiatrist, Social worker or Psychologist?

          Check your credentials and obligations.

          • Anonymous

            I am a businessperson who knows the importance of judging others’ character and temperment.  Google “dry drunk” and see how our one term governor measures up to the criteria.

          • Anonymous

            Having met the governor it might surprise you to know he is affable cheery and friendly truly interested in how others are doing. He is focused on how to make the state a better place for small businesspeople. He is truly more popular than say Baldacci was in the small business community for instance. (You should know this)

        • Anonymous

          I completely agree with you.  I have had much experience with the personality traits that LePage displays and you nailed it.  He is a troubled man and he needs help.  He has shown himself to be unfit for the governorship.

      • Anonymous

        It sounds more like a fairly accurate psychological analysis not a character assassination.

  • Anonymous

    For the Nov. 2010 elections, I thought to myself that it may be about time for the Republican Party to take the reins in Augusta. All I can say is that I have been totally underwhelmed by the results.

  • Anonymous

    The governor said he wanted to create good jobs for Maine families.  What he didn’t say was that he didn’t have the skills to do it.  In fact his only skill appears to be advertising to the world that Maine workers are lazy, corrupt and permanently on welfare.   What a disaster.

    You’re doing a heck ‘ov a job Paulie.

    • Anonymous

      Governor’s nor Presidents “create jobs”.

      • Anonymous

        Do you think he is helping by bad mouthing Mainers?

        • Anonymous

          As a business owner I am looking less at what a Governor is saying and more at the business climate in the state I am thinking about opening a new business in.

          What is the “cost” of doing business, i.e. licensing fees, taxes, etc…?
          What is the pool of skilled labor that meets my business model?
          What is the education system to train new labor?
          etc…etc…etc…

          • Anonymous

            I own a business too. In fact, I have owned several businesses in Maine over the course of my life time. Poor Paul is an embarrassment to the hard working men and women of Maine, plain and simple. He could cut my taxes in half, lower the minimum wage to $1 an hour, eliminate unemployment, and do away with workmen’s comp, he would still be a flaming buffoon in my book. We should be sending our best and brightest minds to Augusta and Washington, not just some tool who is willing to grovel to the top 1%, and no one else. 

          • Anonymous

            But do you decide to set up shop in Maine based solely on what a Governor says?

          • Anonymous

            No. If I were producing a product, I would never locate in Maine. Too far off the transportation loop. For every ten trucks that bring products into Maine, eight go back out empty. Melon scraped the rails for fun and profit and now trucks are getting too expensive for bulk products, thanks to $4 a gallon diesel fuel. In his zeal to impress the Koch brothers, LePage has pointed the finger at everyone but those that are truly guilty of running our economy off the rails. The hard working men and women of Maine deserve a much better representative on the national and world stage than Paul LePage.

          • Anonymous

            So the short answer to my question is you base your decision on the business climate and not on what a Governor says.

          • Anonymous

            You don’t get it.  LePage degrades not only the perception of the business climate, espeailly to out of staters, but the climate itself.

          • Anonymous

            OK Gopher please explain how a Governor or a President “create jobs”.

          • Anonymous

            You choose not to see that this Governor is detrimental to our business climate.  You choose that because he is giving a voice to your own antagonisms. That’s an extremely short sighted and selfish view, in my opinion.

          • Anonymous

            No Sally…first I didn’t vote for him. I didn’t like what he said nor how he said it. I find him to be rude and crude. I voted for the person that came in second.

            That being said Sally, please explain “how a Governor or a President “create jobs””.

            So far no one has even attempted to answer that question.

          • Anonymous

            Yes, I know the answer to the argument  you are trying to get started.   Governments don’t create jobs since you have to pay for them out of your taxes they aren’t creating any wealth.  (rolls eyes)  

            However,  governments and governors most certainly do create climates where business thrives and jobs are created.  Mr. LePage appears to be very inept in creating a welcoming climate………….. to anybody.

          • Anonymous

            Again you are wrong in your first statement. I am not attempting to start an argument. I am attempting to make a point that Governors or Presidents do not “create jobs.” My eyes roll every time a Governor or President says they “will create jobs”.

            You made the statement that “The governor said he wanted to create good jobs for Maine families” and I made a statement that Governors nor Presidents “create jobs”.

            By the way, governments do create jobs and many of them are good paying jobs. One example I will use are the TSA jobs that were created post 9/11. I know several TSA agents and they are very happy with there jobs but the President did not “create them”. Those jobs do not depend on the business climate of the state, or the nation for that matter.

            Jobs that are created by the private sector do depend on the business climate. And that business climate depends on many factors which I have already provided and does not include what the Governor or President say.

            So go ahead and say i am wrong…it is what you do best.

          • Anonymous

            Is there a contest going on here?

          • Anonymous

            F.Y.I.
            Investopedia explains ‘Keynesian Economics’
            A supporter of Keynesian economics believes it is the government’s job to smooth out the bumps in business cycles. Intervention would come in the form of government spending and tax breaks in order to stimulate the economy, and government spending cuts and tax hikes in good times, in order to curb inflation.Read more: http://www.investopedia.com/terms/k/keynesianeconomics.asp#ixzz1u0Xz2iYm

          • Anonymous

            Governor LePage made the claim that there were over 20,000 high tech skilled jobs going unfilled in Maine. He never said where they were, what they pay or what exact skills prospective job seekers needed to qualify for these jobs. What he did do was insinuate that the Maine workers were lacking in the skills needed.  

          • Anonymous

            patom no one seems to want to answer the question including you. The Governor said this, the Governor said that, the Governor insinuated…none of which creates jobs or removes jobs.

            HOW DOES A GOVERNOR OR PRESIDENT CREATE JOBS? That is the question asked and that is the question no one wants to answer.

          • Anonymous

            Since you ask, one way would be to restore the cuts to local communities so they can rehire the laid off teachers, firemen, policemen etc.  The people who serve and spend in the communities.   That would be a productive use of the government’s resources, state and federal.   That would put more money back into the economy since these folks would be spending this money and restoring the demand shortfall, which is slowing the recovery.
            Actually the private sector jobs are  about back to where they were before the recession began.It is the public sector that is the drag.  Not that complicated.

          • Anonymous

            oh my gosh, shut up and answer it yourself…you know you want to!

          • Anonymous

            LOL,  Thank you.  I was just about to post that sentiment .

          • Anonymous

            Sally you weren’t anymore about to post that then answer the simple question that was asked.

          • Anonymous

            So now we’re a mind reader?   You are wrong.  I was tired repeatedly seeing that question pop up.  You are right that I had no intention of answering it, since you probably had a rebuttal already to go.  LOL

          • Anonymous

            So who is the mind reader now?

          • Anonymous

            OK lap, since no one else will answer the question, “HOW DOES A GOVERNOR OR PRESIDENT CREATE JOBS?” I will.

            Governors and Presidents do not create jobs. They talk about it. They campaign on it. But once they are sworn into office they can no more “create jobs” then I can split an atom at my home.

            That’s the answer…why intelligent minds like patom, msallyjones, etc.. couldn’t answer it is just baffling…unless they knew the answer and knew it would undermine their stated positions.

          • Anonymous

            well, that reply goes for ALL politicians.  It is a joke now. They say what they think we want to hear, then do not follow thru once elected.  This country’s political system is so out of whack from what it was originally intended to be.  Sad.

          • Anonymous

            Spot on lap…Spot on

          • Anonymous

            If your point has been that politicians say what people want to hear it really would have saved time if you had stated that from the outset.   
            You still have not commented on the reality that policy does create jobs, and heads of governments make policy. 

          • Anonymous

            usegoodsense my pointed question was an attempt to get some of the…shall we say supporters of the President to actually admit that Presidents and Governors do not “create jobs”. If it exposed sally and others for there inability to admit this fact then my posting was a success.

            And I have commented, several times on what creates a favorable business climate and that business climate is based on many more factors and tangibles then what one Governor says or does. Policy may be directed from the top but Presidents and Governors do not “make policy”. That is the purview of the Legislative branch of government. And we have seen fine examples of what happens when a President wants one thing and the Congress wants something different…Nothing.

          • Anonymous

            We disagree here.  You have brought up many issues about how government works, but I am sorry, I do not see that you have proved your original assertion.  I believe that policy making is way more complex than your posts suggest.  
            I guess sometimes ‘success is in the eye of the beholder. 

          • Anonymous

            FDR created jobs during the depression. I do think he was a President.

          • Anonymous

            And some economist now believe the Great Depression was extended because of his policies.
            http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/FDR-s-Policies-Prolonged-Depression-5409.aspx

          • Anonymous

            Glad to see that you continue to ‘read up’, but again, this is much more complex than your posts
            acknowledge.  To use this info as proof that policies do not create jobs is spurious.  I see more evidence of my original opinion that you enjoy arguing for the sake of arguing.

          • Anonymous

            Everyone is entitled to their opinion….even me.

          • Anonymous

            Yes he did and many found gainful employment because of the jobs created from his policies.
            And, much needed work was accomplished.

          • Anonymous

            I would think that if there are 20,000 high skill jobs going unfilled in Maine, the governor could enabel it’s citizens to find these mysterious jobs. Even if he is correct that there aren’t enough current residents with the needed qualifications or skills for these jobs. The Governor should publish them and just by word of mouth the relatives of people who have left the state for jobs and would love to return to their roots, there would be enough to fill this void.

          • Anonymous

            Or the Governor could address and design policies to better educate Mainers so that they will have the needed skills.

          • Anonymous

            and he blames the schools for graduates not being prepared for jobs….how much prepping do you need to say “do you want fries with that?”  because that is just about the only kind of work around.  There aren’t any decent paying jobs.

          • Anonymous

            The two are often closely related. Sometimes the tone is set by the governor in relation to business climate. Just like what the president says can influence Wall Street. If Obama had the same propensity for putting his mouth in gear before engaging his brain like LePage does, the Dow would look like a roller coaster of chaos. Most people, regardless of political persuasion, that make it to the Blaine House or the White House are quick to realize the value of discretion when the microphones are on. But not the Waterville miracle. His foot is in his mouth more than it is in it’s loafer. A positive message supported by EVERY Mainer would be much more effective at attracting new businesses to Maine, rather than bitter division and partisan bickering. Our political system here in Maine is fast becoming entertainment for the rest of the country. 

          • Anonymous

            Well you just contradicted yourself. In your prior post and in answer to this question, “But do you decide to set up shop in Maine based solely on what a Governor says?” You said “No” and then went into a discussion about you would produce a product because of lack of rail and expense of trucks. Now you say yes what the Governor says does impact a business locating in a state.

            So which is it?

          • Anonymous

            What the governor says is a reflection on the state and it’s citizens. Whether it has a positive or negative impact on businesses relocating here is debatable, at least. So, I guess, it is both. I think businesses will not come here because we are too far off the transportation grid. The empty super park in Oakland is a prime example. Touted as the path to the future, it sits practically empty. Now the geniuses want to build another one in Auburn. You have to give the business planners in Maine credit, when something fails miserably, they stick with it.

          • Anonymous

            “The empty super park in Oakland is a prime example.”

            By any chance do you mean “First Park”?

            Because it you do you are very wrong about your assessment of First Park. Maine General Hospital has a large orthopedic office, CMMC has a cardiac and primary care office. There is also a neurology office and accounting practice. Several other medical practices including two primary care practices and a podiatrist office are located in the park. Not to mention a cellular call center. Is the park full? No there is room to expand but it is a thriving office park.

          • Anonymous

            It is more empty than full. Your attempt at portraying it as “thriving” was gallant though. It was doomed from the start due to shear logistics. Too far off the transportation grid. 

          • Anonymous

            There are fewer empty buildings in First Park than storefronts at the Bangor Mall. In fact, there is one empty building/office in First Park. Again, is the room for future growth? Yes but First Park is far from being the empty weed filled area you attempted to portray.

          • Anonymous

            If these “technology” parks are such a great idea, why aren’t they privately funded? When they built the one in Oakland they went around to all the towns within a 30 mile radius and hit them up for $70k each saying it would create hundreds of jobs for every community that invested. I believe Pittsfield was the only one to see the hand writing on the wall and declined. The town manager at the time said that we already had an empty industrial park and if we were going to invest $70k, it should be in our own park. Peter Vigue ended up putting the money up from Cianbro funds for the town. I do not know a single person from town who works at the “super” park. I am all for promoting new businesses, but we should focus on ones that actually have a chance of succeeding. 

          • Anonymous

            Why do you keep changing your point of your post?

            First you said “I think businesses will not come here because we are too far off the
            transportation grid. The empty super park in Oakland is a prime example.
            Touted as the path to the future, it sits practically empty.”

            When it is pointed out that it is not “empty” or “practically empty” and has many medical offices both small and large and a T-Mobile call center you change it up to “It is more empty than full. Your attempt at portraying it as “thriving”
            was gallant though. It was doomed from the start due to shear logistics”. What are T-Mobile and medical office buildings need for “logistics”?

            So then you change it around again to “If these “technology” parks are such a great idea, why aren’t they privately funded?” Why? I don’t know. Don’t really care.

            So which is it?????

          • Anonymous

            What the governor says is a reflection on the state and it’s citizens. Whether it has a positive or negative impact on businesses relocating here is debatable, at least. So, I guess, it is both. I think businesses will not come here because we are too far off the transportation grid. The empty super park in Oakland is a prime example. Touted as the path to the future, it sits practically empty. Now the geniuses want to build another one in Auburn. You have to give the business planners in Maine credit, when something fails miserably, they stick with it.

          • Anonymous

            Look what is getting reported in the national press.  The governor is saying people are lazy welfare cheats, the state workers are corrupt and the universities refuse to work with the government.  That’s the business climate that getting reported nation wide.   

          • Anonymous

            LOL if you think that is what makes up a business climate you truly have no clue what a business climate is.

            “General economic environment comprising of the attitude of the government and lending institutions toward businesses and business activity, attitude of labor unions toward employers, current taxation regimen, inflation rate, and such.”

            http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/business-climate.html

          • Anonymous

            You and your comrades sound like elitists. Everyone else is, well, dumb. I here this every election cycle. Every time I hear this nonsense I just shake my head and say to myself, “it’s not much use”.  The “open-minded” elitists are, well, not just so “open-minded”.

          • Anonymous

            I thought communism was supposed to be the cure for elitism? Anything to contribute that makes sense?

          • Anonymous

            I’m a business owner and I’m looking to expand.   I read in national newspapers that the governor says Maine workers are lazy, Maine government is corrupt and that everybody else is sucking off welfare.   I also read that he tells people to “Kiss my butt”.   I put the paper down and never even get to the point of wondering about the cost of doing business, licensing fees, taxes, skilled labor or the educational system.  I’m looking for a more positive place to start my business.

          • Anonymous

            If that is all the research you are going to do about where to start a business, you are very short sighted indeed.

          • Anonymous

            Yup, that’s all the research I’m going to do on Maine.   I’m turned off.   What I’m looking for is a state with a governor that says we’ve got great hard working people here;  our state employees are ready to help and  our universities and schools do great things;  then I’ll do more research.   It’s like making friends or finding a spouse.  You don’t stick around to find out if under the hateful  behavior there is  really someone sweet and generous.  You just move on to something more appealing.

          • Anonymous

             Yup…short sighter indeed.

          • Anonymous

            I doubt that, when all that is publicized about a state is the comments made by this governor, why would you even bother looking any further? There are other states looking to welcome business, not insult it.

          • Anonymous

            good point

          • Anonymous

            Why don’t you tell us how the business climate is created.

          • Anonymous

            I believe I already did that.

          • Anonymous

            Do you mean the ‘What is’ list you have written ?  All of the categories you list are impacted directly or indirectly by policies.  Who do you think makes policy ?

          • Anonymous

            Nope.

            This post -“General economic environment comprising of the attitude of the government and lending institutions toward businesses and business activity, attitude of labor unions toward employers, current taxation regimen, inflation rate, and such.”

            http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/business-climate.html

          • Anonymous

            Yes, I saw that.    I say again,  all these ‘ attitudes ‘ that create particular climates are based on policy.   

          • Bob

            No shortage of skilled labor in this state that is a myth.  Shortage of businesses wanting to pay a living wage . or willing to train.

      • Anonymous

        But by cutting they eliminate jobs.

        • Anonymous

          So jobs are permanent and can never be changed under any circumstances?

          • Anonymous

            Who said that.  

          • Anonymous

            Just a question usegoodsense.

          • Anonymous

            The answer to your question is no.   You posed it as if I had said differently.

          • Bob

            Jd Why would anyone in thier right mind Pay for school to be licensed when licenses will not be needed. It is only going to hurt the ones that worked hard to get a license. Let me say this 70% of kids who have a 2 year degree will fail the electrician exam on the first try. I passed mine my first try with no college. My point is it will serve to dumb down the workforce . Not help anyone who worked hard for a license . Reward the ones who are screw ups . As you can tell from reading this I am not real smart with no college . If these kids tried at all they would pass if not they  probably should not have waisted money on college.

      • Bob

        Making the jobs lower paying. LB1833 right out of the ALEC handbook drive down wages for lessor skilled workers.

        • Anonymous

           Curious. Just read LD 1833 http://www.mainelegislature.org/legis/bills/bills_125th/billtexts/HP135301.asp . How does it make jobs lower paying?

          • Bob

            It requires less licenses . If a contractor has a choice between a licensed man at @ $15/hour or a helper at $10 what do you think most will chose. The ones who worked hard and went to school will not be rewarded . 

        • Anonymous

          Let’s see…the law allows more new electricians to learn a trade and this is a bad thing how???

          •  EXACTLY! Thank you!

            I was waiting for someone to mention this very thing. Our legislative process has been usurped by posers wanting to change the system to make it “more fair” for everyone. Problem is, you can’t legislate fairness. You can attempt to legislate “right and wrong” by crime and punishment, but beyond that, you have no control over things.

            I was shocked at the level of hostility towards new people entering the work force by people already in the trade. I know of several instances where master tradesmen refused to hire newbies for fear of competition. The guy literally said to my friend over the phone: “Is this expected to help you get your journeyman’s license? Yeah? Okay then well, don’t call me again. I don’t need the competition.”

            That guy’s work isn’t anything to gloat about, either. That’s why he “doesn’t need” the competition — Because he knows he’d be out of work as soon as someone better showed up! That’s what it boils down to. New applicants are very finely screened, and it’s usually “who you know”, such as family and friends who are already in the business.

            What most non-tradesman don’t understand is, these union hacks are all for legislation that makes it harder to be a tradesman because they don’t want to be out of a job. They’re perfectly happy with driving the price of labor costs way up so you HAVE to pay these people a fair chunk of change just to do a sub-par job! It’s legal robbery!

            Now, not all tradesmen are [—–]-heads. The majority tend to do very good jobs, and do things in a professional manner. They’re okay. Still part of the system, but, if they had nothing to fear they wouldn’t mind the competition either. Problem is, they got complacent with the nice little racket that is going on. They did a great job, but they’re still operating under a scheme.

            What’s good for the goose, is good for the gander. Right? Hello new boss, same as the old boss.

          • Bob

            Let me say this if someone completed the required education and passed a state of maine exam they would be able to work in the field with a Journeyman in training license . The issue I have is these kids do want to learn anything. Yes union electricians can make good money but not all licensed electricians do. A helper will do all jobs a licensed man will do in the field. So with no schooling i should be a doctor as long as thier is a doctor in the hospital???????????????????????????????? Nothing requires direct supervision of a helper just has to be on the job site.

          • I’m going to school to be a tradesman. I do good work.

            Fortunately, doctors have way more training than the trades… But a tradesperson can still get someone killed with shoddy work. More people in the trade means more people (%) that will do a good job, just going by statistics. So why not?

            What I really want to know is: How do you feel about carpenters and masons, and other trades, that don’t need licensing to do work?

          • Bob

            What I was trying to say is someone who finished school would be able to pass a license exam and not count as a helper. This law will let people with no training or schooling at all work with limited supervision . 46.7% of all work place accidents in the electrical field are by people with less than 2 years on the job. Less supervision that number will go up.  In other trades if we lower wages to much why would you want to go to school? With LD 1833.   I support not having to pay for a helpers lic while in school. I think other trades should have licenses too .   With some kind of minimum test. be a carpenters helper no test but be a Carpenter. Maybe a written test,( A year in the field or school) nothing to difficult to prove you know basics an a small fee for a lic. That would serve to keep anyone from calling themselves a carpenter. I can not do carpentry (at least not finish). It would make wages a bit better and have some basic controls for safety. So I would support lic for other trades . Not to make it difficult to get into a trade but more to keep safety and help with wages.  Do you want 5 guys from burger king building a house who can not read a tape measure? Seems like everyone on unemployment becomes a carpenter and works under the table. It shows no respect for you schooling or wages.  

          • Bob

            So why should a teacher or doctor have to go to school?

          • Bob

            At the cost of electricians already in the trade yes. I could show you many applications I get from licensed electricians looking for work in fact . I get more calls from licensed men looking for work than I do calls for jobs from the yellow pages .

      • Anonymous

        Jobs can be created or lost thru policies.  Presidents and Governors make policy.

      • Anonymous

        Who created the governors daughters job?  Seems like it might have been the gov., maybe I am wrong please let me know if it was not the gov.

        • Anonymous

          Don’t hurt yourself patting yourself on the back vhi…you know what we are talking about. One job does not create a recovery.

  • Anonymous

    Wow! Great letters all. Nice to see citizens outraged about what is happening in Augusta. I agree. It is becoming so obvious isn’t it? But then the National Chamber of Commerce (ALEC member) is trying to influence our supreme court justices in an attempt to prevent a reversal on Citizens United so we shouldn’t be surprised if we hear public workers are corrupt and lazy and not worth the money they are paid. It is just the ground work being laid for privatization of everything. And I mean EVERYTHING.

    • Anonymous

      In order to “reverse” a SCOTUS decision you have to have a case make its way there.

      • Anonymous

        Groundswells can and do eventually result in cases brought before the SCOTUS. ALEC is working to bring cases before the SCOTUS all the time. Congress can pass laws to limit what the Court has done.  You are nitpicking.  It does seem that you enjoy arguing for the sake of arguing.

        • Anonymous

          I hope you understand that the three branches of government were designed and are equal in power with no one branch is any more powerful than another branch.

          Yes Congress can pass laws that limit what the Court can do and the President can sign those laws. And court can declare those laws Unconstitutional too.

          As to my “nitpicking” and “arguing for the sake of arguing” well you are entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to mine…Isn’t this a great country?

          • Anonymous

            I am familiar with the three branches of government.  Not sure why you mention it here.
            It surely is a great country, we agree on that and probably on much more than that.  

      • Anonymous

        There is one there. The US Chamber of Commerce and McConnell have already visited to tell the justices why they should leave their ruling on Citizens alone. The Supreme Court is deciding whether it should hear American Tradition Partnership v. Bullock.

        • Anonymous

          And the name of that case would be?

          • Anonymous

            American Tradition Partnership v. Bullock.

          • Anonymous

            Here is the latest I could find on American Tradition Partnership v. Bullock.

            http://www.scotusblog.com/?p=139121

            What I find interesting about the Citizen’s United ruling is how people focus on extending 1st Amendment rights to corporations but never mention the ruling also grants that same standing to Unions. Why focus only on corporations?

  • Anonymous

    Listen to all of the whining, All of you liberals keep saying that Obama is trying to clean up Bushes mess that he left behind,, Why cant you realize that Lepage is trying to repair all of the damage the democrats have done to this state for years and years

    • Anonymous

       It’s not the mess, we are upset with, it’s the way he’s treating people.

    • Anonymous

      He’s “trying” all right.  Tryng even his party’s patience.

      • Anonymous

        LOL.  Now that’s funny!!!

    • Anonymous

      It is called wearing blinders…. Bottom line…

  • Anonymous

    So far Gov. LePage is doing a great job at leading Maine out of this 40 year developed liberal quagmire. Occasionally he is a bit blunt and not politically correct, but a kick in the pants can be a good motivational tool. It appears nanny state supporters have a hard time with his tough love.

    • Anonymous

      Occasionally?  Blunt?  Much more onboth counts.

    • Anonymous

      So what do you think he has motivated  anybody to accomplish?   Anything?

    • Anonymous

      You are correct…

  • Anonymous

    Good letters all.

  • Anonymous

    Gov Lepage spoke at Cheverus Football players. Girls should learn about this too. There are  ways to deal with bullying and respect that both sexes  can learn. 

    • Anonymous

      Typical LePage attitude  “speak at”   instead of “speak with”. 

      • Anonymous

        You still go completely out of your way to show your partisanship. Don’t ever change.(Not that you appear capable.)

        • Anonymous

          So, are you trying to say  LePage gets a free pass to be rude because he is articulating  your antagonisms?

  • Anonymous

    Dr Foster, What you say about national statistics may or may not be true.. That’s your area not mine.  In Bangor we have experienced a surge in drug addiction and related crime. Just ask the local police who see it on  a daily basis.
    I can’t help but wonder the effect thousands of methadone addicts have on your paycheck and therefore your opinion.

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  • Anonymous

     Some of the very best hospitals in the country do not have nurses unions.

    • Anonymous

      And some of the very best do have nurses unions.

      • Anonymous

         So You agree then that whether a hospital does or does not provide safe care has nothing to do with whether there are union nurses or not. Therefore they have a bogus “patient safety” issue.

        • Anonymous

          That doesn’t make their claims bogus. It just means people have differing opinions on how to keep patients safe. 

        • Anonymous

          As you can see, she did not answer that question….LOL..

        • Anonymous

          The only conclusion  one can make  about  the formation of a union is that in work places with fair pay, intelligent management and safe sites unions are seldom formed.    The formation  of any specific union, whether nurses, grape pickers, meat packer, etc is usually the result of long standing and unaddressed problems within the industry.  The problems are not always monetary.

  • lol, LePage.

    Honestly, I think the guy had good intentions going into the thing, but, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. He’s pretty much given up at this point. I would too, people don’t want things to change very much, and I can’t blame them for that.

    Problem with most every politician is that they come onto the stage trying to change things. When their plans fail, they give up or get dirty. Problem is, they’re not changing anything, they’re making more of a problem. Maybe if we stopped trying to change things so drastically, we wouldn’t have such a mess of things. Some change is good, but it has to be gradual or else people become radical, illogical, and very resistant to change.

    • Anonymous

      It would be a calmer and steadier world if everybody had Pat’s understanding and took her/his advice.  Great comment.

      • Why hello again, msallyjones. How are you doing? Hope you’re having a good day.

  • Anonymous

     I have never questioned MM.  What I do question is the idea that it is needed til death. I understand chemicals change and that’s why the methadone works but we have got to ween those people off in a safe but REAL manner.  By the way, i’d like to see the numbers showing MM is a raging success. A very small percentage use it properly to conclusion. I don’t consider someone on 200 m ten years down the line to be a success.

  • Anonymous

    “tens of thousands of dollars over 20 years” 

     Is that a lot?

     It doesn’t seem like a lot.

  • Anonymous

    How are the anti LePage fans doing tonight??? Love the comments….LOL

    • MaineHiker

      Who’s a fan? A fan for a politician is a fool. Being a fan for what  he does is another matter.

  • MaineHiker

    Please, please read: Crucify Environmental Protection criminals.

    http://nation.foxnews.com/epa/2012/04/30/top-epa-official-resigns-over-crucify-comment

  • Anonymous

    Addiction is NOT a “disease.”  I have family members who were formerly alcoholics.  They made a CHOICE to drink, and they made a CHOICE to stop drinking.  They did not “catch” alcoholism.  Their cure was not provided by medication, either.  They were cured by admitting their faults, and by accepting Jesus Christ as King in their lives.  Now they are practicing Catholics, very strong in their faith, and they are helping others to make the same choice of cure that they made.  Jesus is all about power, power for the Good.

    • Anonymous

      “They made a CHOICE to drink, and they made a CHOICE to stop drinking.”

      You have confused drinking with alcoholism. Choosing to drink does not make one an alcoholic. Not everyone who drinks has the predisposition to the disease. Unfortunately, some people don’t discover their problem until it’s too late.

      You have also mischaracterized what a disease is. Not all diseases are contagious. Depression is a disease. It is not contagious, though. The same goes for scizophrenia and other mental illnesses.

      “Dis-ease.”

  • MaineHiker

    FIRST WIND, Do you any idea how much we hate you in Maine?

  • MaineHiker

    I didn’t think so.

     

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